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---Logopened Tue Oct 03 00:00:23 2017
00:24<znf>Is there any reason I'm seeing my Farms diminish in production?
00:24<znf>They're down to 24 tones, from ~90-something
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02:17<Eddi|zuHause>znf: you should keep your station rating above 67% at all times
02:38<V453000>humenz
02:46<LordAro>omg, where?
03:00<V453000>idk, I just heard it somewhere
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05:06<Wolf01>Moin
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06:25<__ln__>http://store.steampowered.com/app/598960/Mashinky/
06:27<crem>That link appears at least weekly on this channel!
06:27<crem>Hm.. Maybe we should set up a bot that posts it.
06:27<crem>Ah, it's close!
06:29<__ln__>impossible, i haven't seen the link even once on this channel.
06:31<crem>Ok, that's only the third time that I saw it.
06:31<@peter1138>Heh.
06:31<@peter1138>Let me know when they add road vehicles, ships and aircraft.
06:32<crem>Do you know that aincient puzzle game called shortline? https://www.old-games.ru/games/pc/shortline/screenshots/1232_492c0ec926d6a.jpg
06:32<crem>It was pretty nice!
06:33<@peter1138>Hmm, nope.
06:33<@peter1138>Nice EGA resolution.
06:33<@peter1138>Pls to be stretching the pixel vertically...
06:35<@peter1138>Yeah, looks much better scaled to 640x480.
06:36<Wolf01>crem: http://store.steampowered.com/app/353640/Train_Valley/
06:36<@peter1138>https://www.myabandonware.com/game/shortline-railroad-1i6/play-1i6
06:38<__ln__>also http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/freight/lithuanian-railways-fined-E28m-for-obstructing-competition.html?channel=527
06:39<Wolf01>Lol
06:41<crem>ah, that competition.. I thought about different. Some years ago there was some marathon run, and all roads were closed for traffic. But there was a railway intersection, where the train did some slow maneurs causing everyone to wait.
06:46<Wolf01>I think I found a bug with autoreplace
06:47<@peter1138>Never!
06:48<Wolf01>Mmmh, no, it works, but it's confusing
06:49<Wolf01>I really think you should show the autoreplaced vehicle icon only in the list it was set up
06:50<Wolf01>I had to browse the entire group list to stop autoreplacing an old vehicle
06:50<Wolf01>(the greyed out ones)
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07:09<V453000>crem: I played the fuck out of that game
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07:29<Wolf01>I think I'll develop road waypoints which could be set on any tile (ramps, crossings, curves)
07:30<Breckett>hi
07:30<Wolf01>Also I'll change the condition to make the oneway road so a player could do it on city owned roads too
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07:44<Breckett>I'm currently doing a small paper on the history of openTTD. All sources I looked at so far simply state that Ludvig Strigeus reverse engineered the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe in 2004. But I can't seem to find a quote by Chris Sawyer on openTTD ... ??
07:45<@peter1138>Why would you expect to find one?
07:45<Wolf01>Chris Sawyer made Transport Tycoon (Deluxe) not OTTD
07:46<@peter1138>Also why does this come up every few months? How many "papers" about OpenTTD's "history" are needed?
07:46<Breckett>Wolf01: yes. But it seems odd that one cannot not find a statement by the creator of the original game to the spinoff.
07:47<Breckett>peter1138: it's soooo popular! \o/ ;)
07:47<LordAro>i don't think there's anything public
07:47<Wolf01>peter1138: I think every university needs one
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07:48<Wolf01>Also every tech blog/gaming site
07:48<LordAro>several people over the years have been in contact with him (or his lawyers) with the general response of "yes he's aware of it, he doesn't like it, but accepts that there's nothing he can do about it"
07:48<LordAro>(look for some of these secondhand sources yourself, i could be making it up)
07:48<LordAro>Breckett: ^
07:49<Breckett>LordAro: ok that's a start xD
07:50<LordAro>dig through some ancient parts of tt-forums
07:51<crem>There should be documentary movie about openttd!
07:51<crem>Or better documentary series.
07:53<Wolf01>There's Twitch for that
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14:28<andythenorth>o/
14:29<frosch123>hoi
14:30<V453000>hi humenz
14:30<Wolf01>o/, quak
14:30*andythenorth playing game
14:30<andythenorth>train sprites all over the place
14:30<V453000>XD
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14:32<andythenorth>so wood cars
14:32<andythenorth>yes / no?
14:32<V453000> / why not
14:32<V453000>?
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14:33<andythenorth>seems weird
14:33<andythenorth>Hog has wood trucks, because RL wood trucks are quite unique (and boss)
14:33<andythenorth>Sam has log tug thing because floating logs
14:33<andythenorth>trains…nothing special, just a stake wagon
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14:36<andythenorth>ha 2/8 caboose https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaOv0hl_HxXhY1Ayx6t3kIQ5PNdkhHPIlUdcobXomhVDqufel7lw
14:37<supermop>wood trains nothing special
14:38<andythenorth>probably better to do a stake car
14:38<andythenorth>and refit more stuff
14:38<andythenorth>or something
14:38<frosch123>andythenorth: you can give variety to wood cars by changing the orientation of the logs
14:38<frosch123>along or across
14:38<andythenorth>yes
14:39<andythenorth>variety is fine, I’m just questioning if it’s worth spamming the buy menu with a single-cargo wagon type
14:39<frosch123>no, it's just a refit of the flat van or open wagon
14:40*andythenorth tending to agree
14:41<andythenorth>eh probably all the answers are in here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_railway_wagon_classes
14:41<andythenorth>in the UK we name our wagons after fish :P
14:41<andythenorth>the german system is more...structured
14:43<frosch123>there was a 4th class? never heard of that
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, it was basically "bring your own chair" class
14:45<frosch123>so like today's ice on sundays?
14:45<andythenorth>Klappdeckelwagen eh
14:45<andythenorth>not so much in UK
14:46<Eddi|zuHause>maybe closest to modern bike compartment
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>i mean the areas in modern wagons where you have these seats along the sides, and the middle area is empty
14:47<frosch123>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/France_Paris_Champs_Elysees_Wagon_bi_foudres.JPG/1280px-France_Paris_Champs_Elysees_Wagon_bi_foudres.JPG <- clearly you need those for wine and beer
14:47<andythenorth>edibles tank wagon
14:49<frosch123>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Krefeld_Weinbrennerei_Dujardin_7737.jpg <- wtf. who transports wine like that for real?
14:50<frosch123>is there some industry-scale usecase for wine?
14:51<andythenorth>frosch123: http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:3372016/mmsi:-7022057/imo:7022057/vessel:ALDASTE
14:52<andythenorth>wine is one of the original bulk cargos
14:52<andythenorth>the romans used to ship it in vast quantities
14:55<frosch123>i like how wiki says that wine tank cars were retired because they were stolen too often
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14:56<andythenorth>ha
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15:09<Eddi|zuHause>wine cars always remind me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdV4R9fEQM8
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15:16<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: aren't you too young for that?
15:16<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: we have this on vinyl
15:17<frosch123>sounds about right :p
15:17<andythenorth>https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/history-wine-transport-8000-years/
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15:25<V453000>well shit https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8665/environment-problem.png
15:25<V453000>basically shader on the right is the expected result that I'm getting in rendered preview mode in the window
15:25<V453000>the one on the left is what comes out
15:25<andythenorth>words
15:25<V453000>the one in the middle is when I disable environemnt ._.
15:26<V453000>so I know what's broken but have no idea if I can even fix it
15:26<V453000>TL;DR = FUCK
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>this is the second best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6p19iYqDII
15:28<Wolf01>https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aB8G1XA_700b_v1.jpg totally
15:36<V453000>OMFG I JUST REALIZED WHY IT'S BROKEN
15:36<V453000>it's because I am doing wild shit
15:36<V453000>WILD SHIT
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15:38<Eddi|zuHause>deer or boar?
15:40<V453000>T-REX
15:41<V453000>fucking hell
15:43<Eddi|zuHause>that's a brand of beer
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15:44<Eddi|zuHause>https://www.urban-drinks.de/fucking-hell-bier-6x033l-49-vol.html?av=1
15:48<V453000>7e
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>(where "fucking" is a town in austria, and "hell" is the german word for "bright")
15:48<V453000>fuck yeah
15:49<V453000>oh it's 7e for sick pack of 0.33s
15:49<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know beer that well, but that's probably on the expensive side
15:51<frosch123>it's in a green bottle though
15:51<V453000>well compared to czech beer it's expensive as fuck but it could be a relatively normal german beer price I think
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>well, it's certainly expensive if you compare it to Sternburger or Oettinger
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>which are the stereotypical cheap beers around here
16:02<V453000>and just like other german beer it's not worth it :P
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>if you're trying to be fancy you take a Radeberger
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>which is like 12€ for 20 bottles
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>or 14€
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>or something along that line
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>0.5l bottles
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16:06<V453000>here a 0.5l beer costs 20czk and it's already with 2czk deposit and 20czk is already very fancy ... :) 27czk = 1 eur
16:07<frosch123>@calc 20*14/27
16:07<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 10.3703703704
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>deposit is like 8¢
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>and 3€ for the crate
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: that calculation makes no sense
16:09<frosch123>@calc 20*20/27
16:09<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 14.8148148148
16:09<frosch123>true, got the wrong number
16:09<frosch123>so, czech beer is more expensive than the premium east german beer?
16:09<V453000>oh
16:09<V453000>yeah actually that's true
16:10<V453000>my father was buying pilsner urquell from germany
16:10<V453000>just because it was cheaper
16:10<V453000>yay for our taxes yo
16:10<frosch123>he, i thought we are famous for taxes
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: if you want to see beer taxes, go to scandinavian countries :p
16:11<frosch123>i were there
16:11<frosch123>it was obligatory to bring something as present
16:12<V453000>virgin blood?
16:13<frosch123>https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/166425/umfrage/steuersaetze-fuer-spirituosen/ <- that also list cz as cheaper
16:14<V453000>that page is just telling me that it wants some premium funkcionality :D
16:14<V453000>ior shit
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, for me too
16:16<V453000>probably uses the same account as frosch's porn subscription
16:16<V453000>G_G
16:16<frosch123>i trade it in for renting the unicorns
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16:18<frosch123>anyway, it claims ger has 20% higher alcohol taxes than cz
16:18<frosch123>though it only lists taxes for 15%, 32% and 38%
16:18<frosch123>maybe there is a beer exception :p
16:19<V453000>I guess cz has 300% higher retardation taxes
16:19<V453000>or something
16:19<V453000>well, I go
16:19<V453000>gnight
16:19<V453000>also pilsner urquell is the most expensive beer here
16:19<V453000>the rest is like 50% the price
16:19<V453000>some things even less
16:19<V453000>well you can get more expensive exotic things but you get the point
16:27<Wolf01>Does somebody want to trade sins of a solar empire: rebellion? I have it spare, and I look for [endless space 2|wasteland 2|wh40k:dow3]
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16:58<Eddi|zuHause>i played that on some lan a few years ago
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17:03<frosch123>"I am buying a company which has a value of $112 million. The companies bank balance is $101 million." <- something suggestions to info@ read like scam :)
17:03<frosch123>*sometimes
17:06<+glx>so $11M of vehicles and properties
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