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05:16<Wolf01>Moin
05:17<crem1>\o
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08:36<dihedral>hello
08:36<V453000>|o
08:38<Wolf01>o/
08:50<dihedral>how you guys doing?
08:50<Wolf01>Tomorrow job talk
08:50<Wolf01>It's a bit far away from home, but heh...
08:52<dihedral>where?
08:52<dihedral>what kind of job?
08:52<Wolf01>Italy, developer
08:52<dihedral>uh!
08:52<dihedral>wow!
08:52<dihedral>what makes you go there?
08:52<Wolf01>Because I already live here :P
08:53<__ln__>if we didn't have channel mode +c, we would see Wolf01 talking in the colors of the tricolori, and it would be more obvious
08:56<dihedral>:-P
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09:01<Wolf01>But is already the 5th talk for this year and I'm not fooling myself that I'll get the job
09:01<__ln__>5th talk at the same place?
09:01<Wolf01>Nah
09:02<Wolf01>Different companies
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09:19<supermop>Wolf01: my rule of thumb is generally 20+ applications to get 1 interview
09:19<supermop>and 10+ interviews to get 1 offer
09:20<supermop>maybe it is better in other cities/countries, but experience here seems to be that apart from getting hired right out of university, you need to apply to 200+ jobs to get one
09:20<supermop>for my wife it is a bit less as she has a much more in demand skill
09:20<supermop>but it is still like 60-100
09:21<supermop>for me i have probably made about 160 applications this year
09:22<supermop>i've had 6 interviews at companies
09:23<supermop>and 2 with recruiters
09:23<supermop>;(
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09:30<supermop>was not supposed to be winking sad face, but i'm going to go with it
09:46<Wolf01>Here I need a lot more papers to get considered (master on something) but not too much because you will be discarded as you might cost too much, also there's the "apprentice with experience" monster which is what all companies want
09:49<Wolf01>I'm only qualified in electronics and telecommunications, I tried to graduate in web development but I failed
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09:54<supermop>i find in the us, web developer jobs often do not need a degree in that field
09:54<supermop>a lot of people are self taught
09:54<supermop>i NYC at leat
09:54<supermop>in SF/bay area it might be more demanding
09:54<supermop>move to NYC!
09:55<supermop>we have lots of ginger ale
09:55<dihedral>supermop: my experience in the past 10 years was: 1 application for 1 interview and 1 job offer
09:55<Wolf01>Here they look for graduates, a lot, I bet it's for the certification programs, then the actual slave could be a 19yo self taught, but they have a graduate in the team
09:55<supermop>dihedral: that sounds unrealistic, except in cases where you have essentially been 'offered' the job before yu even apply
09:56<dihedral>yup, but that was not the case
09:56<supermop>here you might meet someone who then wants to hire someone like you, but they must make you go through the standard process to be allowed to hire you
09:57<dihedral>small companies does the trick
09:57<Wolf01>I got 2 offers before I sent my application, and then discarded because I could not be hired as apprentice
09:57<dihedral>and it usually took less than 4 weeks to get the offer - in the best cases it only took 2 weeks.
09:57<dihedral>Wolf01 where in italy do you live?
09:58<Wolf01>My motto since then is: "Don't. Contact. Me. If. You. Already. Know. You. Won't. Hire. Me."
09:58<Wolf01>dihedral: North-East
09:59<dihedral>how far away is Bozen?
09:59<supermop>dihedral: the one time i had a situation like that it still took like 2 months
09:59<supermop>and the guy that offered the job owned the comapny
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09:59<supermop>but still went through the long process
09:59<dihedral>I am now in that position - we have an applicant here today :D
09:59<Wolf01><dihedral> how far away is Bozen? <- 80km iirc
10:01<dihedral>perhaps siag might be interested
10:01<dihedral>or "Freie Universität Bozen"
10:02<Wolf01>"80km" yes, the last 80 ones... 253km the shortest one, 340km the quick one
10:03<dihedral>:-D
10:03<Wolf01>3.3hours by car, 5 hours by train
10:03<dihedral>what on earth made you go there in the first place :-D
10:03<Wolf01>Oh, I'm not there, I'm near Venice
10:04<dihedral>what made you go to italy in the first place
10:04<Wolf01>I was born here
10:04<dihedral>there is no shame in that, but still :-D
10:05<Wolf01>The problem is that I live in the Bermuda circle of "there's nothing here", which is really a circle with 40km radius
10:07<Wolf01>Also I feel a bit reluctant to leave my area, because it's peaceful (if you ignore the highway)
10:08<Wolf01>Also, no money to leave...
10:09<dihedral>so companies sponsor the move
10:09<dihedral>some
10:10<Wolf01>Ahahah, yes, when you already work for them :D
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11:42<Wolf01>http://store.steampowered.com/app/674400/Einar/ similar to: Factorio... yes totally similar
11:46<Wolf01>Another one, and another one too... turn based fantasy 3d strategy similar to turn based space 4x, puzzle game with gems totally similar to trains puzzle game... wtf steam
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13:05<Wolf01>o/ quak
13:06<frosch123>hoi
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13:32<supermop>yo
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14:03<andythenorth>is cat
14:05<@Alberth>possibly
14:06<frosch123>don't worry, we alreadyknew
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14:07<andythenorth>has filed report?
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14:16<andythenorth>one day
14:16<andythenorth>a new gamescript
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14:17<andythenorth>hmm
14:18<andythenorth>there’s no generic delimiter to an industry chain
14:18<andythenorth>if all the edges ultimately go to a black hole, that’s a discrete chain
14:19<andythenorth>but if the edges link back to primaries (e.g. supplies)…then it’s cyclical
14:20<frosch123>that's why they are not drawn in the graphviz pictures
14:20<andythenorth>I had an idea for a deliberately crude industry GS
14:20<andythenorth>it relies on starting a map with no industries
14:21<andythenorth>and then it just funds a bunch of primaries and the next 2 levels of secondary
14:21<andythenorth>and if you service enough of the ones it built, you get the next levels, or a new chain
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14:23<frosch123>you can detect primaries just fine
14:24<andythenorth>yes
14:24<andythenorth>I wondered how to model chains as a graph
14:25*andythenorth has only rudimentary understanding of graphs :P
14:25<andythenorth>maybe Eddi|zuHause could write a GS generator in python :P
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14:39<supermop>ultimately i think you need to dump stuff on towns and somehow make that a goal
14:39<andythenorth>probably
14:39<supermop>like every other gs
14:39<andythenorth>I like the idea of testing crude mechanics
14:39*andythenorth wonders seriously about python GS generator
14:40<andythenorth>and generating directly from FIRS source
14:40<andythenorth>or consuming json
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15:04<@Alberth>just start with mine-ish industries, then try building new industries that accept what is produced at the map
15:04<@Alberth>where at some point you also need to build more of the same industry, to grow in production capacity
15:05<@Alberth>GS has no file-io capabilities
15:05<@Alberth>generate the GS itself instead :p
15:10<andythenorth>yes :)
15:10<andythenorth>that was my intent
15:10<andythenorth>‘intent’ / ‘idea’ /s
15:11*andythenorth has projects enough :P
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15:38<supermop>start with farms and forests
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16:32<andythenorth>intermodal cars: refit everything (realistic), refit only express (gameplay restriction), or refit everything except bulk (semi-realistic)
16:32<andythenorth>??
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16:56<Eddi|zuHause>... everything
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17:41<FLHerne>Everything, but with lower capacity than specialised vehicles when available>
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17:45<supermop>everything, but you have to return the empty tanktainers and open tops
18:18<Wolf01>Everything but change idea tomorrow
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