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02:17<andythenorth>o/
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04:19<andythenorth>silo car https://az95169.vo.msecnd.net/images/roco/large/L66838.jpg
04:19<andythenorth>fun to draw :P
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05:03<@Alberth>hi hi
05:04<@Alberth>yes, looks complicated to draw, but looks great in play
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05:06<andythenorth>bbl
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05:38<frosch123>lo
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09:37<andythenorth>o/
09:48<@Alberth>wb
09:53<andythenorth>what did I miss? o_O
09:55<LordAro>all the things
10:08<V453000>you missed me not writing anything
10:09<andythenorth>special
10:09<andythenorth>shall I wreck FIRS or what?
10:09<andythenorth>I have wrecked Sam, Horse and Hog
10:18<V453000>does refit button ungrey even if the wagon can use only 1 cargo but with subtypes? it should right?
10:18<V453000>and does it appear if the first unit does not have the subtypes and some articulated part does?
10:19<LordAro>andythenorth: you unwrecked it? :o
10:20<andythenorth>I shipped some alphas :P
10:20<andythenorth>probably same
10:20<V453000>shitted
10:27<andythenorth>no new FS? o_O
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10:33<@Alberth>wasn't sam supposed to be unsinkable/unwreckable?
10:35<frosch123>like titanic
10:36<andythenorth>yes
10:36<andythenorth>it’s currently unplayable
10:36<andythenorth>except by me
10:40<@Alberth>:o without having ice, even
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10:46<andythenorth>it works great in my games
10:46<andythenorth>but the sprites are….of questionable quality :P
10:47<supermop_home>I have been hamstrung trying to decide if yellow is a company color
10:48<frosch123>leave it to the player?
10:48<supermop_home>rather - I cant decide that
10:49<supermop_home>whether it should be like a british train / original trains thing
10:49<supermop_home>where some parts are painted yellow as a functional part of the vehicle, and you can have 2 colors of stripes or whatever separate from that
10:50<supermop_home>like, should a tram with blue and green stripes be able to have yellow warning bits or doors
10:51<supermop_home>I don't need to replicate real liveries, but I think blue+green+yellow actually looks pretty good
10:51<supermop_home>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/KDR_Yarra_Trams_D_class..jpg
10:53<supermop_home>also I wonder if it would be easier to use a layer of the sprite stack for liveries, and make the trams just all painted white
10:54<andythenorth>I only use white and black as accent colours pretty much
10:54<andythenorth>or grey
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11:08<supermop_home>how does stacking cc work?
11:08<supermop_home>do I just make a mask that is solid 1cc blue?
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11:22<frosch123>for every vehicle sprite you can individually define the recolouring
11:22<frosch123>so 1 sprite -> 2cc, 2 sprites -> 4cc
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11:58<andythenorth>such pixels
13:14<supermop_home>drive on right trams wont show their doors open in info window
13:15<supermop_home>so will never see open doors on _ view
13:16<supermop_home>ok. all z class liveries drawn
13:16<supermop_home>8 liveries in both 2 and 3 door per side variants
13:17<andythenorth>:)
13:17<andythenorth>many and very
13:17<supermop_home>plus 3 liveries for a fictitious 2-car Z
13:17<supermop_home>and 1 for a 2-car cargo variant
13:18<supermop_home>I might hide one of them as an easter egg
13:18<supermop_home>or as preview period only
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13:23<andythenorth>lo Snail
13:24<Snail>hi andythenorth
13:26<Snail>Andy, if I can make a request, please make vehicles deliverable to towns ;)
13:27<Snail>I spent ages drawing cars on my wagons, and so far I can only use them in ECS
13:30<andythenorth>Snail: you’re the 4th person to ask :)
13:31<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#steeltown
13:31<andythenorth>so a vehicle dealership in town?
13:31<Snail>yes, something like that
13:31<Snail>it should be an industry, so it doesn’t pop up and then disappear randomly
13:32<andythenorth>yup
13:32<Snail>this way I can draw “vehicle bodies” as a stripped-down (and steel-colored) version of my cars
13:32<andythenorth>yup
13:33<andythenorth>V453000: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8672/horsey_covered_hoppers.png
13:33<supermop_home>right hand drive z classes = 80 pngs
13:34<andythenorth>:P
13:34<andythenorth>that will kill your compile time :P
13:35<supermop_home>gah damn I forgot the wheels
13:35<supermop_home>ok time to export all of those all over again
13:42<Arveen>what locomotive is that @ slot 3 and 4 ?
13:45<andythenorth>new Iron Horse engine
13:46<frosch123>oi, you drew the broken silo car
13:46<andythenorth>you looking in the repo :P
13:46<andythenorth>oh in the screenshot I see
13:46<andythenorth>it was already drawn for UKRS 2
13:47<andythenorth>but the sprite is 2px short for horse, scale is different
13:51<andythenorth>such super realism on the 6/8 wagon https://kelvinsrailways.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/dscf4233.jpg?w=700
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14:06<V453000>andythenorth: TWO WORDS
14:06<V453000>FUCK YEAH
14:06<V453000>yay for caps
14:06<V453000>gg
14:06<V453000>fits
14:06<andythenorth>super duper
14:17<V453000>these are really well done andy
14:17<V453000>also has some noise
14:17<V453000>I like it a lot
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14:44<V453000>can I use current_date to change train graphics?
14:44<V453000>current_date No days since year 0 Use date(year, month, day) to compare with.
14:44<supermop_home>yes
14:44<V453000>and if yes, then how do I write it into a switch? the date(year,month,day) part?
14:44<V453000>like date(1950,1,1):spriteset_1; ?
14:45<supermop_home>I have a switch for that
14:45<supermop_home>ill have to look at it
14:45<V453000>can you please? :)
14:46<frosch123>V453000: just use "current_year"
14:46<frosch123>way easier
14:46<V453000>ooo
14:47<frosch123>and yes, you can use the current date for graphics
14:47<frosch123>you cannot use current date for properties
14:47<V453000>yes that is alright
14:47<V453000>so something like 1950..1980: spriteset; will work?
14:47<frosch123>yes
14:48<V453000>awesome! thanks
14:48<supermop_home>ok frosch123 beat me
14:49<supermop_home>I use build_year to change sprites based on when purchased
14:49<supermop_home>also to slightly increment hp
14:49<andythenorth>gen 4 covered hopper is bad
14:50*andythenorth fixing
14:50<andythenorth>want something like this, but is all flat surfaces https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4369/37248224251_b81efcfb95_b.jpg
14:50<andythenorth>hard to look good
14:52<V453000>do vehicles have year_of_last_service or only date_of_last_service _
14:52<V453000>?
14:55<andythenorth>can probably work out year from date
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14:58<frosch123>you can also use date(y,m,d)..date(y,m,d) if you need to
14:58<V453000>ahh
14:58<V453000>nice
14:59<frosch123>or you can divide by 365, and offset 2 years of missed leap days
14:59<andythenorth>last two rows suck http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8673/horsey_covered_hoppers_blah.png
14:59<andythenorth>a lot
15:00<V453000>XD
15:01<frosch123>andythenorth: make the tankers spherical at the end
15:01<frosch123>then they look less like box vans
15:03<V453000>do trains have something like purchase date?
15:03<supermop_home>build_year
15:03<V453000>so they wouldnt ever change in depots but just be as is forever, but based on the year look different?
15:03<V453000>ah
15:03<supermop_home>yep
15:04<frosch123>http://www.on-rail.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_Zacns_95m__Mineral%C3%B6l_5d94b317eb.jpg <- andythenorth: also i like visible welding seams, though possibly too few pixels
15:05<V453000>thasnk! :)
15:05<andythenorth>on tankers? maybe
15:05<frosch123>http://www.railwaygazette.com/uploads/pics/tn_sasol-tank-wagon.jpg <- no idea how that would look with pixels
15:05<frosch123>probably doesn't work
15:05<andythenorth>earlier gen has more seams http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8674/tanks_for_the_horsey.png
15:06<andythenorth>later gen I need to revisit
15:07<frosch123>earlier gen could look less integrated, i.e. "tank on flat bed wagon"
15:07<frosch123>https://www.track-shack.com/acatalog/Bachmann-38-775-OO-Gauge-Class-A-14-Ton-Anchor-Mounted-Tank-Wagon-Benzene681.jpg
15:08<frosch123>http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2016/post-28019-0-68992300-1460979154.jpg <- that's fancy
15:09<andythenorth>might alternate seams between generations
15:09<andythenorth>anchor mount is interesting
15:09<andythenorth>usually they have diagonal braces
15:09<andythenorth>which suck at pixel scale
15:10<frosch123>http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/dccb09288d384c7f98043cd3ad6f2924/railway-tank-wagon-on-harbourside-bristol-england-uk-b3mh77.jpg <- i thought only in f you transport dangerous cargos en masse
15:12<frosch123>but ok, it's no fluor
15:12<andythenorth>why is my DNS failing :P
15:12<andythenorth>brb
15:12<andythenorth>^^ that one is quite familiar :P
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15:45<andythenorth>V453000: better
15:45<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8675/horsey_covered_hoppers_2.png
15:46<andythenorth>highlight is wrong, need to fix
15:46<V453000>what
15:46<V453000>the first four are nicer
15:46<V453000>in the purchase menu
15:46<andythenorth>yair
15:46<andythenorth>but need later ones to look different
15:47<V453000>k
15:47<andythenorth>contrast is problem
15:47<andythenorth>not working
15:47<andythenorth>round things :P
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16:26<andythenorth>V453000: contrast now out of stock
16:26<andythenorth>all used up http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8676/horsey_covered_hoppers_3.png
16:27<andythenorth>hoppers covered as AF
16:27<V453000>much better
16:27<V453000>AF
16:27<andythenorth>one more fricking generation needed eh
16:27*andythenorth hates the 2020 trains
16:30<andythenorth>maybe something like https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/R6724_3204939_Qty1_1.jpg
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17:02<FLHerne>Yeah, those are cool
17:19<andythenorth>such bedtime
17:19<andythenorth>bye
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