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02:26<PressureLine>wjeee
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03:00<Pressure_Line>maybe i should just start up a FIRS game
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03:28<PressureLine>https://i.imgur.com/rqEkXoj.png
03:28<PressureLine>o_O dat starting production
03:31<Supercheese>If it was a pot farm, it'd be 420 tonnes instead
03:35<PressureLine>404 tonnes would be better
03:36<PressureLine>but. it's 223 tiles from the nearest lumber mill
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03:37<PressureLine>and i only have trains that go 45kph(28mph)
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03:37<PressureLine>using a cargo multiplier of 4x
03:39<PressureLine>and only 445kW so I can only pull <1000tonne trains (on the level, performance on hills is going to be abysmal)
03:40<PressureLine>this ought to be interesting.
03:40<Supercheese>when in doubt
03:41<Supercheese>ships
03:41<Supercheese>infinite line capacity
03:41<Supercheese>just add moar boots
03:41<PressureLine>1880
03:41<PressureLine>and no early boat grf
03:41<Supercheese>ah
03:41<Supercheese>alas
03:41<PressureLine>let the trans siberian railway begin!
03:43<PressureLine>and a *^&%&ing mountain pass
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06:38<Samu>hi
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07:39<Samu>enable/disable large airports
07:39<Samu>enable/disable hub airports
07:40<Samu>good idea?
07:40<Samu>and while I'm at it, enable/disable small airports, enable/disable helipads?
07:41<Samu>ST2: discuss
07:44<Samu>i've always wanted to set up a server with some airport types disabled
07:49<Samu>looks like newgrfs could do this already, but screw newgrfs :(
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08:50<supermop>Samu: airport selection should be by newgrf
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09:05<Samu>i forgot how to code a newgrf, maybe i should try
09:05<Samu>do this via newgrf
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10:06<supermop>yo
10:06<Samu>hello professor Alberth
10:12<@Alberth>:O
10:16<Samu>aircraft searching for hangar code is confusing
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10:53<Samu>uint64 for airport flags!!
10:54<Samu>14757395258967641292
10:56<@Alberth>decimal value for a variable with flags is meaningless
10:59<Samu>my damn windows calculator works with int64, but not uint64 :(
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11:11<Samu>so, i was thinking of something a bit restrictive
11:11<Samu>forbid big planes to land on small airports
11:11<Samu>i need to change quite a lot
11:12<Samu>would have to make them not enter those hangars
11:12<Samu>make them not even available from purchase from those hangars
11:13<Samu>not land on those airports
11:14<Samu>but then how would savegame conversion be dealt with? :(
11:16<Samu>cus to this day there's still ppl buying big planes and use them on small airports... maybe by force, they wouldn't do it any longer
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11:20<supermop>why do you need to punish people for using small airports? the small airports are already very low in capacity
11:21<supermop>maybe they are putting JATO rockets on the airplanes?
11:22<Samu>yep
11:22<Samu>they are
11:25<Samu>i have this idea bubbling in my head
11:25<Samu>to have a game with disabled large airports
11:26<Samu>when large and hub airports are disabled, only the small airport is available, so then it makes sense to only work with small planes
11:26<Samu>disable all the others
11:31<Samu>a bit similar to the idea of electric train engines working vs non-electric rails
11:32<Samu>electric train cannot run on non-electric rails
11:32<Samu>big plane cannot land on small airport
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11:39<supermop>why not just use a plane grf with only small airplanes
11:39<supermop>the default planes are pretty dumb
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12:15<Samu>aircraft range is such a bad feature :(
12:16<Samu>if an helicopter is heading to an airport without a depot and i ask it to go to nearest depot, what will happen about range if the depot is located too far?
12:22<@Alberth>I would expect it doesn't find a depot
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12:25<Samu>sorry
12:26<Samu>geometrically speaking, if it finds a depot, it can still go to the next destination
12:27<Samu>won't get stuck with dest too far
12:30<Samu>A ---- H ----- B
12:30<Samu>A is station with depot
12:30<Samu>B is station without depot
12:30<Samu>helicopter is at H
12:30<Samu>and is heading to B, but needs servicing right now
12:31<Samu>H goes back to A?
12:32<Samu>what if there was any other station with depot near H
12:32<Samu>it can't be too far from A, because A is still the closest
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12:36<Samu>if H to C is bigger than H to A, it picks A, but what about after being serviced? what if it picked C, would C to B still be within aircraft range?
12:38<@Alberth>sounds too complicated to figure out
12:38<@Alberth>I'd expect it to do something much simpler, like just going to B
12:38<@Alberth>but try it :)
12:38<Samu>B doesn't have depot :(
12:39<Samu>who's the geometry expert here? :(
12:40<@Alberth>going back to A has the problem that it may never reach B if you set service time too small
12:40<Samu>oh, that's some other problem
12:41<@Alberth>C is in range
12:41<@Alberth>it could at least fly back from C to its current position, and continue to B
12:41<Samu>mabe going to B regardless of servicing needs is a "good" idea
12:42<@Alberth>hmm, fly to C and back may break flying to B, I guess
12:42<Samu>i need to see what the code currently do
12:42<Samu>brb
12:44<@Alberth>obviously, you can always fly from C back to A and then to B
12:44<@Alberth>but euhm, very complicated
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12:46<Samu>v->current_order.MakeDummy();
12:46<Samu>MakeDummy() when it needs servicing and the destination airport has no hangar
12:46<Samu>that means... keep flying to C
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12:50<Samu>actually i'm wrong
12:50<Samu>it still keeps flying to C, but nothing ever happens
12:51<Samu>no dummy orders
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12:54<Samu>keep flying to B, I meant, bah
12:54<Samu>so, if both A and B have no depots, the helicopter will never service :(
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13:11<Samu>what's the XOR symbol, i forgot
13:11<Samu>^ | & ~
13:11<milek7>^
13:14<Samu>ty :(
13:15<LordAro>Samu: you should try google sometime
13:15<LordAro>it's good
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13:48<supermop>yo andythenorth
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13:48<andythenorth>yo
13:49<@Alberth>o/
13:49<andythenorth>warbonnets http://railpictures.net/photo/637036/
13:50<@Alberth>moon landscape :)
13:50<supermop>my first model train was one of those
13:50<supermop>probably holds true for most americans
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13:52<Samu>hi
13:52<Samu>@logs
13:52<@DorpsGek>Samu: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd
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14:00<andythenorth>supermop: we're collecting warbonnets here :P
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14:02<andythenorth>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIFE-LIKE-MODEL-RAILWAY-SANTA-FE-LOCOMOTIVE-HO-GAUGE-/122732495749#itemTitle?hash=item1c936d4385%3Ag%3A8l0AAOSwG-1Zz5pB&nma=true&si=wAeHoYG4C6DcAH%252ByQZEi1wixA2I%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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14:07<samu>hmm
14:08<samu>webchat is failing me today
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15:14<andythenorth>well
15:17<LordAro>did oftc die?
15:21<Wolf01>Samu played too much with the web client
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15:36<__ln__>Wolf01: they don't let you use irc at work on the first day?
15:37<Wolf01>No, they don't let me use irc at work.
15:37<V453000>yo
15:38<andythenorth>Wolf01 has a job? o_O
15:38<Wolf01>"job"
15:38<Wolf01>I'll work as a slave for some time, then who knows...
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15:48<Samu>hi
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16:09<Samu>https://imgur.com/jKRbEN7
16:10<Samu>it werks! I didn't do much at all
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16:39<Samu>peter1138: weren't you dealing with aircraft and hangars some days ago?
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16:45<Samu>peter1138: FindNearHangar needs to deal with airplanes trying to land at helidepots or helistations
16:45<Samu>they can't
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16:46<Samu>FindNearestHangar * typo
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17:24<Wolf01>'night
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18:01<Samu>english expert needed
18:02<Samu>STR_CONFIG_SETTING_LARGE_AIRPLANE_ON_SMALL_AIRPORT_HELPTEXT :When disabled, large aeroplanes do not land, can't be ordered and are not available for purchase on airports with short runways
18:02<Samu>is this good english enough?
18:03<Samu>chat, plz wake up
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18:09<Samu>hello mister yogurt
18:10<Samu>are u good at english? :o
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18:28<supermop>https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/11/color-photos-of-the-1939-new-york-worlds-fair/545087/
18:29<Samu>hmm photos
18:30<ToffeeYogurtPots>Samu: well I am English so...
18:30<ToffeeYogurtPots>Samu: Yes
18:31<Samu>cool i was asking if this is good english:
18:31<Samu>STR_CONFIG_SETTING_LARGE_AIRPLANE_ON_SMALL_AIRPORT_HELPTEXT     :When disabled, large aeroplanes do not land, can't be ordered and are not available for purchase on airports with short runways
18:32<juzza1>Samu: how about "Allow large airplanes to use airports with short runways" and you invert the logic of the setting
18:32<Samu>STR_CONFIG_SETTING_LARGE_AIRPLANE_ON_SMALL_AIRPORT :Allow large aeroplanes on small airports: {STRING2}
18:33<Samu>with short runways vs small airports
18:33<Samu>game code is a bit ambiguous regarding this, at least the comments
18:34<Samu>comments tell about fast airplanes trying to go on airports with short runways, but i've also read other comments about large airplanes on small airports, in reality, they mean the same
18:35<Samu>large airplanes with short runways seems to be the exact wording for this
18:37<Samu>Allow large airplanes or aeroplanes?
18:37<Samu>muh english!
18:38<Samu>the setting is not just the ability of them landing on them, there's also their availability on hangars
18:38<Samu>https://imgur.com/jKRbEN7
18:38<ToffeeYogurtPots>Samu: Aeroplanes seems correct but I'm not sure why. Maybe the spelling is different in the US to UK
18:39<Samu>on the left, hangar of airport with short runway, on the middle, hangar of airport with big runway, on the right, hangar of helicopter station
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18:41<Samu>"to use airports with short runways" or "on airports with short runways"? which one is better to describe that behaviour?
18:42<ToffeeYogurtPots>Samu: Just checked, both airplane and aeroplane are correct. I'd use "to use airports with short runways".
18:42<Samu>ok, thanks
18:42<Samu>will fix
18:44<ToffeeYogurtPots>Samu: No problem, English is a weird language.
18:46*ToffeeYogurtPots goes to sleep because it's 11pm in the UK
18:46<Samu>tc
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20:53<ST2>ok, Samu is gone ^^
20:53<ST2>supermop: still about the oilfields
20:53<ST2>had you measure an idea on it?
20:55<ST2>because the W10 after 1709 update issues are spreading: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=77042&start=40#p1193856
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