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---Logopened Wed Nov 08 00:00:14 2017
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02:23<PressureLine>I can smell toes :(
02:24<PressureLine>what is this blasphemy?
02:24<PressureLine>cannot add tramway to existing road bridge
02:25<PressureLine>https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg
02:26<PressureLine>oh. wow. thats a weird way of doing it
02:26*PressureLine shrugs
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02:35<PressureLine>i bought a supermop once
02:36<PressureLine>wasn't all that good tbh
02:36<PressureLine>but then again, I probably wouldn't have bought a 'slightlybetterthanaveragemop'
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03:13<Flygon>Maybe I should just make a Northern Territory scenario for shits n giggles. :V
03:13<Flygon>Barely any towns to place, and it's mostly barren. :D
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03:19<Eddi|zuHause>just use a town name generator that doesn't have a lot of names
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03:43<PressureLine>i remember (barely, must have been almost 20 years ago)
03:43<PressureLine>playing an all-australia scenario in TTD
03:43<PressureLine>but maybe was patch, with a bigger map? i cant remember
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03:57<Flygon_>The existing Australia scenarios doesn't very large.
04:07<__ln__>https://www.humblebundle.com/strategy-sim-bundle
04:11<PressureLine>https://i.imgur.com/HJjlv73.png
04:12<PressureLine>*my* current issue is getting the oil from the two oil wells just below the transparency window
04:12<PressureLine>to the oil refinery just above the date
04:13<PressureLine>given that i "need" to run ~1 kilotonne trains, and the availible loco's cant climb for s*** at hat weight, and i really hate diagonal track
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07:58<Samu>I'm trying to solve helicopters servicing at helipads while needing servicing
07:59<Samu>they don't need automatic servicing
07:59<Samu>if they service at helipads
07:59<Samu>but they need automatic servicing if they need to be replaced though
07:59<Samu>autorenewed or such
08:00<Samu>they need, and don't need, at the same time, :(
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10:03<@Alberth>o/
10:05<crem1>\o
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10:16<Samu>hi Alberth
10:17<Samu>is this code readable? https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pb2hvgyfg
10:17<Samu>or is it confusing somehwere?
10:18<Samu>here's the original https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/f4cc55fdf952/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp#l396
10:18<Samu>i'm trying to service helicopters
10:19<Samu>the changes are only from line 24 downwards
10:20<Samu>the top part is unchanged
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10:27<Samu>there might be a problem when the nearest hangar is never closer than the destination
10:27<Samu>aircraft will never service
10:28<Samu>wondering if it makes sense
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10:31<supermop_>yo
10:31<Samu>hi
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10:41<Samu>:(
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10:51<Samu>chat is dead?
10:57<supermop_>i am at work, i assume most other people are also busy
11:00<Samu>damn, i forget ppl here work
11:00<supermop_>even those who do not might do things other than chat on IRC during the day
11:01<supermop_>and even those who do nothing but sit on IRC might have nothing to say some days
11:02<supermop_>usually all of the above apply to me
11:02<supermop_>often i do not have anything to say regarding the topic at hand
11:03<Arveen2><- @ work
11:04<Arveen2>but going home now - weeee
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11:54<Samu>disable elrails is cheating!
11:56<Samu>if it's not cheating, it's bugged
11:57<Samu>if i disable it once, my electric trains will have no power
11:57<Samu>if i disable a second time, my electric trains can now run on non-electrified rails
11:57<Samu>bug? intended, cheat?
12:00<supermop_>TTO had no electric rails
12:00<supermop_>electric trains ran on regular rail
12:01<supermop_>there were only two rail types - rail and monorail
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12:01<supermop_>disable electric rails' intended use is for mimicing this original beavior
12:01<supermop_>behavior
12:04<Samu>this enabling a "disable" feature is confusing
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12:05<Samu>"Disable electric rails": on
12:05<Samu>build railway, build electric engine, it moves
12:06<Samu>"Disable electric rails": off
12:06<Samu>train gets no power
12:07<Samu>"Disable electric rails": on
12:07<Samu>it moves again
12:07<Samu>"Disable electric rails": off
12:07<Samu>it's still moving
12:08<Samu>toggling it off a second time, doesn't make them stop with no power
12:11<supermop_>i'm not sure the effects of toggling it in game were ever that thoroughly examined.
12:12<supermop_>however it might be intended to 'fail safe' so that you could salvage a game you started but forgot to add a track grf to?
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13:37<@Alberth>o/
13:38<LordAro>o/
13:38<Samu>think i'm ready to post my work
13:39<andythenorth>lo
13:39<Samu>hi andythenorth
13:40<Samu>this cheat shouldn't exist
13:41<Samu>!_cheats.no_jetcrash.value
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13:41<Samu>it's making the code look huge
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13:42<@Alberth>by popular request is was added
13:44<Samu>but then, you added no disasters for airplanes
13:44<Samu>this cheat is now useless
13:45<Samu>well, not 100% useless, but it makes little sense
13:47<andythenorth>lots of openttd makes little sense :)
13:47<Samu>shouldn't be a cheat anymore, but a game setting
13:48<Samu>it makes large planes landing on short runways to have the same crashing probability of small planes
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13:57<andythenorth>quak
13:57<frosch123>moi
14:05<andythenorth>frosch123: 3 outputs might be...interesting
14:06<frosch123>:p
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14:09<andythenorth>I would probably use it
14:22<andythenorth>probably messes up all AIs and industry GS? o_O
14:23<supermop_>AIs would manage fine i bet
14:24<supermop_>maybe 1 or 2 GS would need to be updated, but most GS already need to be updated
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14:25<frosch123>andythenorth: it's kind of hard to mess up a gs or ai like that
14:25<andythenorth>what else could break?
14:25<frosch123>all the cargos are handled via lists
14:25<andythenorth>2 cbs need changed, and a bunch of vars
14:25<frosch123>andythenorth: the cargo flow gui gets messy :p
14:25<andythenorth>not new :)
14:34<Samu>posted
14:34<Samu>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=77246
14:34<Samu>i need screenshots now, brb
14:42<Samu>@logs
14:42<@DorpsGek>Samu: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd
14:45<Samu>pretty screenshots :)
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14:45<Samu>just added
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14:55<supermop_>diverting aircraft sounds interesting
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16:18<B_>Hello
16:19<B_>How does one make an AI to be generated w/ a random name in openttd.cfg?
16:21<B_>I set up an AI but it ends up with 'Unnamed (Company 1)'
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16:21<frosch123>it's the same as for humans
16:22<frosch123>you only get a company name after starting construction
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16:31<B_>Mh OK
16:31<B_>It seems I am not able to set up an AI using this openttd.cfg file
16:31<B_>Does not show up on new map gen
16:32<B_>The good news is I installed it properly:
16:32<B_>List of AIs: SimpleAI (v12): An AI which tries to imitate the old AI.
16:32<frosch123>type "start_ai" in the console
16:32<frosch123>to make it start immediately
16:32<B_>I'd like to use the cfg file
16:33<B_>I tried 'SimpleAI = ' or even 'SimpleAI = start_date=1'
16:33<B_>neither seems to work
16:35<B_>Which is the proper syntax?
16:38<frosch123>both are valid, the second one sets an additional parameter
16:38<frosch123>you need 15 lines of that though
16:38<frosch123>one for each company
16:38<frosch123>first line is probably occupied by human
16:39<frosch123>hmm, also since you talk so much about the config file. if you run them on a server, you need ai_in_multiplayer from the [ai] section
16:39<B_>ai_in_multiplayer = true
16:39<B_>came from default config
16:40<B_>I'll test that in local
16:45<B_>Sth's wrong
16:45<B_>It does the same: no AI popping up
16:45<B_>Btw 'SimpleAI = ' gets rewritten 'SimpleAI = start_date=730' on game close
16:46<B_>thus I specified it w/ a value of 1
16:46<B_>anyway: nope, no AI popping :(
16:46<B_>What am I doing wrong?
16:46<frosch123>it works fine for me
16:46<B_>which AI are u using,
16:46<B_>?
16:47<B_>what's the default one, let's start w/ that
16:49<frosch123>well, i agree that it tends to add a random number to the start_date
16:49<frosch123>but at least one spawned immediately after server start
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16:51<frosch123>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/puwuelocc <- i think those are the relevant settings
16:54<frosch123>START_NEXT_DEVIATION = 60 <- ah, the setting is randomised by 60 days
16:56<frosch123>so even with start_date=1 it can take up to two months
16:56<B_>Found sth
16:56<B_>max_no_competitors
16:56<B_>:)
16:56<B_>Was set to 0
16:56<+glx>hehe
16:56<B_>I monitored the config file while testing on solo play :p
16:57<+glx>I think it should be possible to add start_ai in server scr
16:59<+glx>https://wiki.openttd.org/Scripts
17:01<+glx>https://wiki.openttd.org/Running_Startup_Scripts
17:01<+glx>last line :)
17:02<Wolf01>'night
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17:02<B_>well that's kinda hacky
17:02<B_>you could also stream commands to game input
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17:23<B_>Mmmh well that des not seem to be enough
17:23<B_>Local game is OK but remote one not
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17:44<Samu>i fail at changing orders for aircraft...
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17:57<Samu>who's the order expert here?
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