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---Logopened Sat Nov 25 00:00:38 2017
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03:14<CTZen>HELLO, Question: I can see some servers in "openttd.org/en/servers" with many players, I add their IP but inside game it shows them offline. can i join them?
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04:14<PressureLine>andy: tanks server?
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04:20<Wolf01>o/
04:20<PressureLine>\o
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04:31<Wolf01>o/
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04:54<andythenorth>yo
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05:11<PressureLine><PressureLine> andy: tanks server?
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05:21<andythenorth>I'm playing World of Tanks Blitz
05:21<andythenorth>it's just random games
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06:13<@Alberth>o/
06:14<@Alberth>winnable for 50% of the time :)
06:17<andythenorth>45% :P
06:17<andythenorth>more if you're good
06:17<andythenorth>I'm not
06:18<Eddi|zuHause>als long as both sides have the same number of players, the average should be at 50% :p
06:19<@Alberth>it's not pure luck, apparently :p
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06:50<Wolf01>I don't play games with chance to win lower than 66% :P
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07:37<andythenorth>some players are better
07:37<andythenorth>and some are paying
07:37<andythenorth>paying = stacked deck
07:37<andythenorth>by about 1-3%
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08:55<andythenorth>so tanks or openttd?
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09:56<andythenorth>how do I get a python environment with nml?
09:56<andythenorth>when the user is not an administrator? (no sudo)
09:56<andythenorth>it seems to be totally impossible, but must be possible :)
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>huh? why would you need to be admin?
09:58<andythenorth>how else to install into /usr ?
09:58<andythenorth>or some other crap
09:58<andythenorth>I dunno, I usually do this differently
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>don't install it?
09:58<andythenorth>I usually build python in my user dir, and have everything local
09:58<andythenorth>but this user can't do that
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>unpack it into your home, and put the executable into ~/bin or something
09:58<andythenorth>I have to sudo, which means it goes system wide
09:58<andythenorth>it's ass backwards
09:59<Eddi|zuHause>i don't understand your problem
09:59<andythenorth>trying to give a 7 year old nml tools
09:59<andythenorth>he's on a locked down user
09:59<andythenorth>the only way I can use package managers is to su to my user
10:00<andythenorth>which then assumes my environment
10:00<andythenorth>total PITA
10:00<Eddi|zuHause>so your problem is you don't understand user management?
10:00<andythenorth>yes
10:00<andythenorth>I never have to engage with it
10:01<andythenorth>I am admin, and I avoid installing things system wide, where possible
10:01<Eddi|zuHause>so "locked down" means can't run programs from home dir?
10:01<andythenorth>can't even find a home dir
10:01<andythenorth>it's Apple restrictions
10:02<andythenorth>I thought I just install the python binary from python website
10:02<andythenorth>t
10:02<andythenorth>then virtualenv and install packages
10:02<andythenorth>but no
10:03<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know the apple way of doing things, but i think you should build/install stuff globally, and have the restricted user access it
10:04<andythenorth>ach
10:04<andythenorth>now I've got all the TLS failures
10:05<andythenorth>I give up
10:05<andythenorth>the user is configured so that every url has to be whitelisted by admin
10:06<andythenorth>and the python tools appear to be older broken ones that have the non-working SSL stuff
10:06<andythenorth>and devzone http is also broken for ~everyone
10:06<andythenorth>it's a shit show :)
10:07<V453000>excuse for purchasing tanks :P http://www.bunicomic.com/comic/buni-1054/
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10:20<V453000>how much $ did it cost so far? :P
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10:25<andythenorth>python? nothing, just pain
10:25<andythenorth>tanks cost about £25
10:26<andythenorth>got a working python3 now
10:26<andythenorth>but virtualenv is broken next
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10:30<andythenorth>got python deps, now running nml tests :P
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10:30<andythenorth>buildout.python remains useful
10:30<andythenorth>the nml on pip is python2
10:30<andythenorth>maybe we could update that? o_O
10:31<andythenorth>planetmaker: ? ^
10:32<Eddi|zuHause>there's pip2 and pip3
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10:39<frosch123>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/phizsmaeo?/phizsmaeo <- looks like a nicer fix for fs#6639
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11:07<andythenorth>o_O
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11:22<andythenorth>got a working nml :P
11:22<Samu>sup andy
11:22<Samu>did u work on river generation?
11:22<V453000>how did you not have nml? :D new computer?
11:22<Samu>the pathfinder part of it?
11:23<andythenorth>V453000: locked down account for 7 year old
11:23<andythenorth>he needs nml
11:23<frosch123>andy needs more time for tanks, so he passes firs to the next generation
11:24<V453000>:DDDDDDDDDDDDD
11:24<andythenorth>he's drawing trains
11:24*andythenorth can't work out if openttd is finally dead or not
11:24<andythenorth>I imagine not
11:25<V453000>it isn't
11:25<Samu>it's not dead, i'm here :p
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11:50<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27932 trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp (2017-11-25 17:50:28 +0100 )
11:50<@DorpsGek>-Fix (r0) [FS#6639]: Forest, candyfloss forest and battery farm skipped the first animation frame.
12:00<LordAro>amazing
12:03<Samu>oh! a fix :) nice
12:03<frosch123>hmm, it was longer broken than it worked :p
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12:03<frosch123>1995-2004 worked, 2004-2017 broken
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12:08<frosch123>o/
12:08<@Alberth>moin
12:19<Samu>my first recursive function :)
12:19<Samu>let's see if it doesn't lock the game
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13:17<Samu>grr, i'm having trouble detecting map edges
13:18<Samu>moving from tile to tile can sometimes put myself in a tile outside the map
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13:18<Samu>i was just trying to MakeRiver on a tile outside
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14:18<Samu>https://imgur.com/DD6mOgi
14:18<Samu>that was intense
14:18<Samu>but everything's connected
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16:39<Samu>how do i work with tiles on the edge without going into the void tiles? :(
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23:04<PressureLine>ehh
23:04<PressureLine>being horsepower-limited is such a pain
23:21<PressureLine>If I double-head I'll need 11 trains on this route.
23:21<PressureLine>triple-head and I can do it with 8 :/
23:27<PressureLine>or just double-head with a more capable engine i guess
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