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03:40<PressureLine>The wind noises on arcticc are a bit overblown imo
04:13<@peter1138>I think it's all bit wonky since the extra zoom levels.
04:13<@peter1138>There's far more sounds 'visible' now.
04:43<V453000>hehe yeah
04:54<PressureLine>good news is
04:54<PressureLine>the ALCo/GE boxcab is ****ing awesome for wood hauling
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09:15<Samu>hi
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10:47<@Alberth>o/
10:47<crem>o__/
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10:52<Samu>I wish there was ship ai that would make use of rivers :(
10:53<@Alberth>building docks in rivers is a obstacle, I think
10:55<Samu>someone reported this on the forum https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=200433
10:55<Samu>i'm familiar with that widget naming
10:55<Samu>WID_RV_TRAIN_ENGINEWAGON_DROPDOWN
10:55<Samu>WID_RV_TRAIN_RAILTYPE_DROPDOWN
10:56<Samu>WID_RV_TRAIN_WAGONREMOVE_TOGGLE
10:56<Samu>that name on the report doesn't exist
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10:56<Samu>it's used for the autoreplace train window
11:01<Samu>heh, it could be a toggle, but it's not
11:01<Samu>it's a dropdown
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11:05<Samu>cpu evaluator kills so many AI's :(
11:11<@Alberth>it's more that many AIs are abandoned
11:18<Eddi|zuHause><Alberth> building docks in rivers is a obstacle, I think <-- i think that is silly
11:19<Eddi|zuHause>like people rationalizing why they're still living in an abusive relationship
11:23<@Alberth>I don't see what you're trying to say
11:32<Eddi|zuHause>i'm trying to say that building docks shouldn't be an obstacle
11:32<Eddi|zuHause>it should be made easier
11:32<Eddi|zuHause>by allowing more placement options
11:35<@peter1138>I had a patch for that...
11:39<Samu>i made some too
11:41<Samu>can build on land, it just places canals under it
11:41<Samu>it's just that the costs are too much
11:44<Samu>what have you done peter1138
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11:48<@peter1138>It was ages ago.
11:49<@peter1138>And unfinished.
11:49<Samu>i really have to organize this topic https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=76075
11:50<Samu>download v7, to see what I've done
11:50<Samu>crap, wrong topic
11:50<Samu>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=72691
11:50<Samu>this is it
11:50<Samu>i'm in the process of merging those two
11:52<Eddi|zuHause>of course you did, and of course it was... :p
11:53<Samu>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1176710#p1176710 description is here
11:53<Samu>documentation*
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11:53<Samu>kinda, most of it is there
11:53<Samu>must update the topic really:(
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12:33<Samu>slope math!
12:33<Samu>if (((IsSlopeWithOneCornerRaised(slope2) || IsSlopeWithThreeCornersRaised(slope2) || slope2 == SLOPE_EW || slope2 == SLOPE_NS) && IsInclinedSlope(slope1) && DiagDirToAxis(GetInclinedSlopeDirection(slope1)) == axis) || ((IsSlopeWithOneCornerRaised(slope1) || IsSlopeWithThreeCornersRaised(slope1) || slope1 == SLOPE_EW || slope1 == SLOPE_NS) && IsInclinedSlope(slope2) && DiagDirToAxis(GetInclinedSlopeDirection(slope2)) == axis)) return_cmd_error
12:33<Samu>doesn't even fit
12:34<Samu>LE);
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12:51<@Alberth>looks like 2 times the same test, once for slope1 and once for slope2 ?
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13:04<Wolf01>o/
13:05<Wolf01>Is it friday yet?
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13:07<Wolf01>Wtf? 14 updates of 512bytes on steam
13:10<@Alberth>7KB? that shouldn't be a problem :p
13:10<@Alberth>and it's almost friday
13:13<Wolf01>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1194543#p1194543 wait, what?
13:14<Samu>it's an exploit :(
13:15<Wolf01>Mmmh, make a bridge of 2 tiles to make a 2 tile straight ramp, handle it on grf and the state machine to fix the graphics+vehicle position... win
13:15<Samu>a bug
13:15<Samu>same with road vehicles
13:17<Samu>i've seen ppl exploit this bug to make trains go faster. Makes me wonder what kind of OpenTTD they're using, it seems they build those 2-tile ramps automatically with drag and drop
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15:55<V453000>omg slope steepness hax
15:55<Wolf01>o/
15:58<frosch123>should we fix it, or keep it as advanced building technique? :p
15:58<frosch123>cover slopes in bridges
15:59<V453000>if it's complicated to fix, I wouldn't care
15:59<V453000>if it's super simple, eh I guess
16:00<V453000>it also has the opposite side of the coin
16:00<V453000>if the downhill matters more then it's more efficient to build bridges in complex joiners because at the point when train joins it's going downhill, not uphill from a tunnel
16:01<frosch123>yeah, you can accelerate trains my combiing bridges and slopes in a row
16:02<frosch123>up on hill, down on bridge or so
16:02<Wolf01>If you can make trains go faster than their max speed is a win
16:03<frosch123>unlikely :)=
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>i think someone would have noticed if vehicles on bridges ignore speed limits
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>can anyone help me unfritz my fritzbox?
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>every guide on the internet say i should check the capacitors
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>but i don't see anything unusual
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16:23<debdog>throw it out the window, get yourself a proper router
16:24<debdog>also, not always is it visable on the outside if a capacitor is defective
16:24<debdog>if in doubt, just replace all of 'em
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>debdog: i have a linksys router that i found somewhere, but it doesn't have a usb port to put a UMTS stick on, and i have an older fritzbox which does have a USB port, but doesn't offer that functionality software-wise
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>also, there's like 10 capacitors of multiple capacities, and i don't have any spare parts. or soldering skills for that matter
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16:30<debdog>hmm
16:30<debdog>do you know anyone with such skills?
16:31<Eddi|zuHause>also, my multimeter doesn't have a capacity measuring function
16:31<debdog>depending on how many layers the PCB has, it mightbe challenging
16:31<debdog>ideally throw them all away
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16:31<debdog>and replace them with new ones
16:33<debdog>if the PCB only has an upper and lower side layer, it probably is not too hard to replace them even without soldering skills
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>"layers" sounds like something you'd do in a cellphone to save space
16:33<debdog>hehe
16:34<debdog>I think I never saw a fritzbox' inside live
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16:36<debdog>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiterplattenentflechtung#/media/File:Pcblayout.png
16:37<debdog>only has conducting paths on top and bottom
16:37<debdog>if there are layers inside the board it sometimes is hard to get rid of the old solder
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16:45<Eddi|zuHause>i find it hard to belive that they would do that on a device that is not really space restricted
16:49<debdog>since the multi layer boards are not really expensive anymore they are used even for non-space-critical stuff, too. for various reasons
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16:54<debdog>however, if you intend to give it a shot, I'd be glad to guide you through.
16:54<Eddi|zuHause>not today
16:55<debdog>of course not. you'd have to get at least one replacement capacitor first
16:55<debdog>and Entlötlitze
16:56<debdog>or just get all the capacitors and give it to someone you know with soldering skills to replace them
16:58<Eddi|zuHause>i'd really like to figure out which part is broken, though
16:59<debdog>what does it do? or rather, what doesn't it?
16:59<debdog>totally dead?
16:59<debdog>how old is it?
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>a few red LEDs, no function
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>over 5 years
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>7270 v3
17:00<debdog>well, replacing the caps would be a first to start. if it still not works, start replacing other stuff.
17:01<debdog>also, on freenode there's a channel ##fitzbox. mayhap hippie there has some experience with the insides of fritzboxes
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17:02<debdog>##fritzbox
17:02<debdog>or one of the other guys, for that matter.
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17:09<Samu>what is wrong in this picture?
17:10<Samu>the AIs aren't ready for my patch:(
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17:43<Wolf01>'night
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18:09<supermop>how would a RV grf cause crashes?
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18:20<debdog>driving on the wrong side of the road?
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18:47<GeneralCamo>Hello
18:48<GeneralCamo>Does anyone here work on OpenMSX?
18:48<GeneralCamo>I'm not a fan of some of the percussion lines in some of the songs (E.G, Modern Motion), and was considering redoing them.
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19:27<Eddi|zuHause>there should be a readme detailing who did what song and under what licenses
19:28<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think anyone is actively "working" on it
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20:00<Eddi|zuHause>oh i caught the forum backup, that didn't happen in ages
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