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01:51<andythenorth>o/
01:55<Pressure_Line>\o
01:56<Pressure_Line>keep thinking about starting playing tanks again
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02:24*andythenorth playing tanks
02:24*andythenorth thinking about writing some FIRS code
02:24<Pressure_Line>blitz?
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02:26<@Alberth>ping
02:27<Pressure_Line>pong
02:28<Pressure_Line>kinda miss trollfacing with the SU152
02:29<Pressure_Line>or tat mental british tier III with the 90mm cannon that can 1-shot tier IV TDs
02:38<@Alberth>aka, having fun :)
02:41<andythenorth>Pressure_Line: I'm playing AT 2 currently
02:41<andythenorth>'safe on wheels'
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02:47<@Alberth>for as far as "safe" goes with all that big guns around :p
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03:47<Wolf01>Moin
03:47<@Alberth>moin
03:57<Pressure_Line>AT2 the one with the trashcan weakspot on top?
04:08<Wolf01>I'm dyslexic today, I read "At line 2" and the rest of the sentence didn't make any sense
04:09<Pressure_Line><andythenorth> Pressure_Line: I'm playing AT 2 currently
04:09<Pressure_Line>WoT (Blitz?)
04:10<andythenorth>blitz
04:11<andythenorth>most people don't know about the trashcan
04:11<andythenorth>they just freak out and run away
04:11<andythenorth>as long as I'm in a game with competent mediums, it's easy win
04:11<andythenorth>if they all yolo, and drive off at top speed, I tend to be last man standing
04:11<andythenorth>then dead
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04:26<V453000>yo
04:28<@Alberth>o/
04:55<V453000>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyHzfVnI4J8&feature=youtu.be
04:55<V453000>might need to switch 3D suite
04:57<Pressure_Line><andythenorth> if they all yolo, and drive off at top speed, I tend to be last man standing
04:57<Pressure_Line><andythenorth> then dead
04:57<Pressure_Line>i mostly play TD and Arty in WoT
04:57<Pressure_Line>so for TD the tactic is to be "very sneaky sir"
04:58<Pressure_Line>Arty, its more a 'pray your teammates can pour piss out of a bucket without instructions
05:03<andythenorth>I haven't played WoT, but blitz seems to negate tactical finessse :)
05:03<andythenorth>teams that stay in 2 tight groups win
05:03<Pressure_Line>hence "Blitz"
05:03<andythenorth>everyone else, pretty much loses
05:03<Pressure_Line>as a side note
05:03<Pressure_Line>robots! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKvViFXoX-w
05:04<Pressure_Line>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm7MSLyXSEA
05:07<andythenorth>bbl
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06:46<Exec>I've got two train stations in a city, with a minimum of Good standing on both passengers and mails (+ I'm bringing goods to one of them), yet the council says it's terrible and I can't build anything. Why is that?
06:48<Eddi|zuHause>you destroyed too many trees
06:49<Eddi|zuHause>council rating is independent from station rating
06:49<Exec>I've got more trees here than any other cities
06:51<Exec>https://i.imgur.com/08cwtT7.png the range of the city is about the blue rectangle
06:52<V453000>it's not about the absolute current tree amount
06:52<Exec>hmm
06:53<Exec>https://i.imgur.com/8rQ8WrR.png It's still "very bad" and I can't expand that station
06:54<@Alberth>yep, continue providing good service, and eventually rating will climb again
06:54<Exec>It's been 5 years.
06:55<@Alberth>counsil is very unforgiving about trees
06:55<@Alberth>so just let it run, do something else in themean time
06:57<V453000>or just delete all the trees so the rating drops to 0
06:57<V453000>and then build new trees
06:57<V453000>only first plant of trees matters
06:57<@Alberth>or just delete all stations, if they don't want you, find a better city :)
06:58<@Alberth>you're lucky in having some stations at least to keep your rating up
06:59<@Alberth>I once waited for 30+ years to provide service due to some script that required it, except I had no station at all in the area
06:59<@Alberth>believe rating improvement is slow then :p
06:59<@Alberth>*believe me,
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07:47<V453000>omfg it's tt-f christmas season
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08:05<Eddi|zuHause>you can disable that, you know?
08:09<V453000>I'll just not read the forums for a month it's fine :P
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08:13<Samu>i just discovered there is a thing called terraform limit
08:13<Samu>yesterday
08:13<Samu>I was completelly ignoring it :(
08:14<Samu>in this case, there is a bug with tunnels
08:15<Samu>it also ignores terraform limit, unless that was fixed meanwhile, must check
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08:24<Samu>ah, i was wrong
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08:28<Samu>it was actually working, hmm I must have missed something :(
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09:08<andythenorth>o/
09:09<@Alberth>o/
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09:35<Wolf01>o/
09:44<andythenorth>FIRS steeltown is quite hard to get a viable map
09:44<andythenorth>the chains are very closely connected
09:44<andythenorth>wondering if I can force industry placement more
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10:21<Samu>i found a typo in terraform_cmd.cpp in one of the comments
10:22<Samu>https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/25d136f16bd8/src/terraform_cmd.cpp#l147
10:22<Samu>move to tile in SE, i think it's SW
10:23<Samu>undo last move, and move to tile in NE
10:23<Samu>undo last move, and move to tile in SE
10:23<Samu>undo last move, and move to tile in NW
10:24<Samu>is it not?
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11:32<Samu>Alberth: i tried to adapt CmdLevelLand to accept customized tile height, but i'm getting issues with total costs :(
11:33<Samu>res is different than res2 and asserts there :(
11:33<@Alberth>weird
11:35<Samu>ret = DoCommand(TileAddByDiagDir(tile2 + diff, AxisToDiagDir(OtherAxis(axis))), tile, SetBit(p2, 3) | SB(p2, 4, 8, best_h), flags | DC_NO_WATER, CMD_LEVEL_LAND);
11:35<Samu>wondering if i'm chosing the wrong tiles
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11:45<Samu> /* remember level height */ uint oldh = HasBit(p2, 3) ? GB(p2, 4, 8) : TileHeight(p1);
11:59<Samu>_cleared_object_areas is empty :( i fail
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12:47<@Alberth>setbit has side effects, namely it changes the parameter p2
12:49<@Alberth> SB might also introduce changes
12:49<Wolf01>OMFG, just read FFF, cliffs are amazing :O
12:55<Wolf01>andythenorth: https://imgur.com/a/asRZl
12:56<andythenorth>arm
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13:03<Exec>How do I have a truck force drop off things at a station so a train pick them up? Also the same with trains in reverse
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13:14<andythenorth>use transfer orders
13:14<andythenorth>or turn on cargo distribution in settings
13:16<Exec>ah, under the "Unload all" menu
13:16<Exec>thanks
13:20<Wolf01>andythenorth: https://imgur.com/XAGYFCF do you have any idea to solve the "not 90° is really bothering me"?
13:22<andythenorth>what is it?
13:24<Wolf01>The joystick control
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13:25<Wolf01>The problem is the gears mesh at angles I don't like, so the joystick center is a bit on the side
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13:32<Gustavo6046>sftp://0.tcp.ngrok.io:19177 Username: public
13:32<Gustavo6046>my SFTP server
13:32<Gustavo6046>connect using FileZilla
13:55<Samu>hmm
13:57<Samu>CmdLevelLand and CmdTerraformLand
13:57<Samu>don't work together
13:58<Samu>if I got 2 corners to lower near each other
13:58<Samu>CmdLevelLand tells CmdTerraformLand to lower the first corner
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13:59<Samu>CmdTerraform doesn't know of the other corner and is working with the wrong height
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14:00<Samu>i assume it's going to double clear the same time
14:00<Samu>tile
14:00<Samu>the costs are added twice on the first run, and on the exec run, it's only added once, let's see
14:01<Exec>o
14:01<Exec>nvm
14:04<Samu>SLOPE_NWS ...
14:04<Samu>i'm surprised levelland works
14:05<Samu>the N corner was supposed to have been lowered
14:07<Samu>indirectly_cleared = false... also wrong, now I see why I'm getting different costs between res and res2
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14:16<andythenorth>Tanks or FIRS?
14:16<andythenorth>V453000: TANKS grf?
14:21<Samu>who's the terraform expert?
14:22<andythenorth>no-one
14:22<SpComb>I'll assume you're talking about terraform.io
14:23<Samu> /* When we're at the terraform limit we better bail (unneeded) testing as well. * This will probably cause the terraforming cost to be underestimated, but only * when it's near the terraforming limit. Even then, the estimation is * completely off due to it basically counting terraforming double, so it being * cut off earlier might even give a better estimate in some cases. */
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14:24<Samu>translate plz
14:25<Samu>what is this comment supposed to warn
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14:25<Samu>the cost is actually overestimated
14:26<Samu>maybe this is not the warning I was looking for :(
14:30<@Rubidium>basically leveling/terraforming a range does the terraform command for single corners, so it iterates several corners. The testing phase does not account for the changes made to the map
14:31<@Rubidium>so it basically sums the costs of each single corner, whereas changes to one corner can already affect other corners
14:31<@Rubidium>this includes things like tile clearing
14:34<Samu>CMD_NO_TEST, I worry if I should use this flag
14:34<Samu>wonder*
14:37<V453000>andythenorth: doesn't bananas ban military stuff? :D
14:37<V453000>oh yeah now I understand
14:37<V453000>andy is in the long term defficite of military stuff
14:37<V453000>and now it cost us andy
14:37<V453000>gg
14:39<Samu>can't use it :(
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14:43<Samu>DEF_CMD(CmdLevelLand, CMD_ALL_TILES | CMD_NO_TEST | CMD_AUTO, CMDT_LANDSCAPE_CONSTRUCTION), // CMD_LEVEL_LAND; test run might clear tiles multiple times, in execution that only happens once
14:43<Samu>exactly what I found
14:44<@Rubidium>V453000: why do you think there is a ban?
14:47<V453000>wasn't there something like that in the TOS?
14:47<V453000>sexy and military things nono?
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>The Original Series had lots of sexy and military things :p
14:55<Samu>it's a Command flag, not a DoCommand flag... can't use
14:55<V453000>hm I don't even know where to find the TOS so :D
14:56<@Rubidium>https://hg.openttd.org/extra/website.hg/file/tip/bananas/templates/bananas/tosInner.html
14:57<andythenorth>V453000: peace tanks
14:57<andythenorth>not war tanks
14:57<V453000>k :P
14:57<andythenorth>tanks are peaceful
14:58<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjHNTXa0hE
14:58<andythenorth>no-one argues with a tank
14:58<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: my german is too poor :)
14:58<@Rubidium>I seem to remember images of a Chinese guy that did
14:59<V453000>oh so I can do penis trains now?
14:59<V453000>the whole slug thing is just a substitute
14:59<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: well, we start easy: "Friedenspanzer" means "peace tank(s)" :p
14:59<andythenorth>ha
15:04<Wolf01><V453000> sexy and military things nono? <- that's lego :P
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15:48<@peter1138>Do we have a VR patch yet? :p
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15:55<andythenorth>not a finished one
15:56<Eddi|zuHause>how would openttd-vr work without a 3D map?
15:59<@Rubidium>with a Finish trains NewGRF?
16:02<andythenorth>what about Finish Industries?
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>that will never happen, because you change your mind faster than you can finish anything :p
16:07<andythenorth>how else do things get finished? :P
16:07<andythenorth>it's done when it's done, not when plan #1 is complete
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16:43<Wolf01>'night
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16:55<andythenorth>testing industry probabilities
16:55<andythenorth>is hard with 'funding only' set :P
16:55<andythenorth>oops
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17:13<andythenorth>bed
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