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02:39<andythenorth>o/
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03:17<@Alberth>o/
03:21<andythenorth>FIRS alpha shipped
03:21<andythenorth>again
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03:27<@Alberth>never moving to beta? :)
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03:32<andythenorth>maybe soon
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04:43<Wolf01>Moin
04:44<@Alberth>moin
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06:08<drac_boy>hi again :)
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06:32<drac_boy>hi gja, hows denmark?
06:33<Gja>So far okay drac_boy :D
06:33<Gja>How come you ask drac_boy?
06:33<drac_boy>canada's ok .. or at least my part of it .. finally snowed for real a few days ago and looks like it'll be staying on the ground too :)
06:34<drac_boy>oh just curious (and that also its quite slow here too)
06:35<Gja>compering countries is always hard because there is so many things you can compare
06:35<Gja>but if you will excuse me it is my B-day so Im going to pick up some sushi for celebration later today
06:35<drac_boy>heh well gja have a fun birthday ok :)
06:36<drac_boy>*dumps a little cake with too many candles on the top in front of you?*
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06:44<drac_boy>hi frosch, and no no questions this time mr.helpful :-)
06:44<frosch123>yay :)
06:47<drac_boy>just rehashing some locomotive balances and trying to figure out some good 2-4 letter combination for the cargo name list atm..aside to irc :p
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06:55<drac_boy>oh and frosch I did figure out the plane thinge..not going bother worrying about it anyway as its a user's parameter preference thing
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07:14<frosch123>http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/backport.txt <- anything more for 1.7.2 ?
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07:17<Wolf01>NRT?
07:18<Wolf01>We could always add BGT later :P
07:18<Eddi|zuHause>that's more something for 1.8?
07:19<Wolf01>Yeah, NRTBGT should be the main feature for 1.8
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07:19<Eddi|zuHause>you have until christmas to finish it for 1.8-beta :p
07:19<Eddi|zuHause>so like 2 weeks :p
07:20<drac_boy>btw just asking but has the czech tycoon site been down for a very long time?
07:20<Wolf01>Heh...
07:20<andythenorth>we ought to fix station UI :P
07:20<andythenorth>but eh
07:20<Wolf01>My new game UI rework with tabs?
07:21<frosch123>drac_boy: it has been inactive for years, but i think it was reachable earlier this year
07:22<drac_boy>hrm figured as much :-/ oh well can try find the grfs from elsewhere if archive doesn't cooperate later on
07:22<drac_boy>ty
07:22<Wolf01>BTW, back on topic, do the mouse fix for win10 works?
07:22<Eddi|zuHause>all relevant newgrfs not on bananas should be in the coop grf pack
07:22<frosch123>drac_boy: maybe try #coop grf pack?
07:24<drac_boy>frosch I wish, had thought of that but unforunately I do remember they had a road grf I quite liked .. the coop doesn't seem to have taken interest in it
07:25<drac_boy>anyway don't worry about it tho :-) I need to afk as usual sorry ... carry on with your ottd 1.8 topics ;)
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07:29<andythenorth>frosch123: is that changelog entry supposed to be headed '1.8' or '1.7.2'? o_O
07:30<frosch123>1.8 is 1.8
07:30<frosch123>1.7.2-RC1 is further down
07:30<Wolf01>Updating to 1709, BBL
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07:31<frosch123>andythenorth: i do not check the whole commit history in march for stuff which was not backported :p
07:32<frosch123>so all changelog-worthy commits need to go into either the 1.8 or the 1.7 section
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07:33<Wolf01|Phone>"since ottd mouse problem is now fixed, your pc is ready to be updated to win 10 fcu"
07:33<Eddi|zuHause>"fuck you"?
07:34<Wolf01|Phone>I don't know, maybe something else could go wrong
07:35<Eddi|zuHause>i meant the "fcu" at the end :p
07:35<Wolf01|Phone>Yeah, the fuck you update
07:35<Wolf01|Phone>But I think it shouldn't go so bad
07:38<Wolf01|Phone>I know of some problems... Like missing drivers for old dot matrix printers
07:38<andythenorth>frosch123: have you tried horizontal scroll on depot dividers?
07:38<Wolf01|Phone>That should work andy, at least the dividers were there the last time I tried
07:39<frosch123>heh, it doesn't work :p
07:40<Wolf01|Phone>Lol
07:40<Wolf01|Phone>What went wrong?
07:41<Wolf01|Phone>Also, I've almost finished the ginger beer, and I can't go to the pub 😞
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07:43<frosch123>hmm, does that mean free wagons also need to scroll now?
07:43<frosch123>(not that i know a reason why they were not)
07:43<frosch123>hmm, probably so you can attach them somewhere
07:44<andythenorth>they would scroll out of sight eh :)
07:44<andythenorth>nothing ever simple :x
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07:47<frosch123>so, how do i get a proper "modulo" that is correct for negative numbers?
07:49<frosch123>python3 is so much easier :)
07:49<andythenorth>:P
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07:54<frosch123>did you know? when you have to scroll in the depot, you cannot attach a wagon at the end because you cannot scroll far enough
07:57<andythenorth>yes
07:57<andythenorth>I know
07:57<andythenorth>you have to put it in the middle, then move it
07:57<andythenorth>do that quite often
08:01<@Alberth>your trains are too long
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08:04<frosch123>Alberth: andy runs ottd on a 320x200 screen with 4x zoom or so
08:06<andythenorth>roughly
08:08<@Alberth>hmm, so much for 640x400 at 1x zoom as minimum requirement thus
08:09<andythenorth>I am on 1280x800 equivalent, at 2x zoom
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08:10<andythenorth>and there is a list of stuff that doesn't fit
08:10<andythenorth>not an actual list :P
08:10<@Alberth>:)
08:10<frosch123>the list doesn't fit?
08:10<andythenorth>I keep thinking to learn UI code and fix it
08:10<andythenorth>but eh
08:11<andythenorth>I never get any grfs finished, so I can't
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08:12<@Alberth>stop starting new grfs :p
08:12<@Alberth>anyone tried the "Think globally, act locally" game script?
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08:12<andythenorth>nope
08:12<frosch123>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ptizrj53b?/ptizrj53b <- fixes 3 things
08:12<@Alberth>wondering if it is nice to play
08:12<andythenorth>frosch123: I test?
08:13<frosch123>it works with gui zoom and rtl
08:13<frosch123>the wagons do not scroll, which may look weird, but is less weird than the alternatives i can think of
08:18<@Alberth>otherwise you need to do clipping, I guess
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08:18<andythenorth>seems to work
08:19<@Alberth>looks ok
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08:21<frosch123>how far should it scroll beyond the max train length?
08:21<frosch123>currently it scrolls 1/2 tile
08:21<frosch123>should it scroll a whole tile?
08:23<andythenorth>seems completely usable at the moment
08:23<andythenorth>looks like it scrolls a full tile to me
08:23<frosch123>scroling a whole tile would mean that you can also see whether a 12/8 wagon goes to the next tile
08:24<andythenorth>hard to call
08:29<andythenorth>frosch123: maybe 1 tile is better
08:29<andythenorth>also for when using drag with ctrl
08:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27936 trunk/src/train_gui.cpp (2017-12-10 14:45:53 +0100 )
08:46<@DorpsGek>-Fix: When moving wagons in the depot, the drag highlight did not exactly match the length of the dragged wagon chain.
08:48<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27937 trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp (2017-12-10 14:48:06 +0100 )
08:48<@DorpsGek>-Change: When train depots have a horizontal scrollbar, allow scrolling 1 tile beyond the longest train, so you can actually attach a wagon at the end.
08:48<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27938 trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp (2017-12-10 14:48:49 +0100 )
08:48<@DorpsGek>-Fix (r27899): When scrolling in the train depot, also scroll the tile separators.
08:52<frosch123>has anyone seen adf in the past 3 months?
08:56<LordAro>@seen adf88
08:56<@DorpsGek>LordAro: adf88 was last seen in #openttd 12 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 42 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <adf88> classic Windows keyboard is nicer :p http://stevenharman.net/images/posts/ctrl-alt-del.gif
08:56<LordAro>no
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10:14<Samu>the mouse bug fix shouldn't affect win10 1703, right?
10:16<Samu>just testing, seems good on 1703
10:16<Samu>no issues
10:18<andythenorth>FIRS release lighting up the internet
10:18<andythenorth>I got zero replies
10:18<andythenorth>V453000: ^
10:19<frosch123>it was slightly too late
10:19<frosch123>devzone worked for a week
10:19<frosch123>now it is broken again
10:20<andythenorth>gr8
10:20<andythenorth>when I can be arsed, I'll figure out moving to github
10:21<frosch123>that won't build binaries or do translations :)
10:22<frosch123>even though devzone is broken most of the time, it still does more than plain repository hosting
10:22<andythenorth>did we find a hosted build service?
10:22*andythenorth can't remember
10:22<andythenorth>oh there was one that was 4x too expensicve?
10:22<andythenorth>oh so bundles is failing :P
10:22*andythenorth hadn't noticed
10:23<frosch123>for ottd, none of them did what we needed
10:23<andythenorth>jenkinds is failing to get a valid hg response?
10:23<andythenorth>jenkins *
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10:24<frosch123>no idea, i only figured out someone updated rhodecode early november, then devzone was broken for 3 week. last week someone fixed it apparently, now it is broken again
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10:42<@planetmaker>hm
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10:43<@planetmaker>again? :|
10:45<@planetmaker>what can we do to make it work better or more reliable... dunno why it always crashes kallithea
10:52<Eddi|zuHause>add a cronjob that restarts it?
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11:12<@planetmaker>yeah... probably
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11:17<Wolf01>Bah, it doesn't seem to install nicely, update loop again
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11:37<Wolf01>And now I need to unfuck me from that nasty situation on astroneer... the last update emptied the fuel tank of my shuttle
11:53<Eddi|zuHause>was it at least landed?
11:53<Wolf01>Yes, in a planet without any kind of fuel
11:53<Eddi|zuHause>what put me off astroneer so far was the lack of a linux version
11:53<Wolf01>Now I need to get enough fuel by researching
11:58<Wolf01>Researched the fuel condenser, it might come handy
11:58<Wolf01>Also the exchange platform, but requires fuel...
12:01<Wolf01>Oooh look, a nice upside down antenna... angler plant -> ded
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12:11<Wolf01>The fuel condenser is really handy: 1/4 of a canister for each energy load... I need at least 3 full canisters to takeoff, change orbit and land on my planet :(
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12:59<Wolf01>Ok, retry the update, BBL
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13:18<Wolf01>Bah, "a reboot is required"... it just reboots
13:19<+glx>kind of 3h long reboot
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13:45<andythenorth>such drawing
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14:18<Gudea>Hello, I have a stupid question/problem. I recently installed openttd. I see no menu bar and no status bar if I start a new game. Help please.
14:20<debdog>what if you start an old game?
14:21<debdog>well, kidding. OS and ottd version?
14:22<Gudea>I'm new to the game and just downloaded the game from the website.
14:23<Gudea>So I don't have any old games.
14:24<Gudea>What is OS and ottd?
14:25<debdog>operating system and openttd
14:26<Gudea>Windows 10, and the latest Version.
14:27<Gudea>stable 1.7.1
14:29<ST2>Gudea: try maximize the window, full screen (Alt+ENTER), etc
14:29<ST2>at some point will show all stuff :)
14:29<debdog>sorry, no clue how to do anything on win10. I suppose altering values in the settings dialogue --> Interface --> position od [main toolbar | status bar] does not change anything?
14:30<Gudea>Thank you. It seems to work somehow after changing the window size several times.
14:31<Gudea>Have a nice day.
14:31<debdog>glad it worked \o/
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14:52<Eddi|zuHause>Gudea: check the compatibility settings, it has this habit to make a 120% zoom as default, which will cut off the outer edges of the screen
14:52<Gudea>Thank you.
14:53<Gudea>That seems to be the case
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16:04<Wolf01>'night
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16:17<__ln__>https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-that-kids-aged-4-6-perform-better-during-boring-tasks-when-dressed-as-batman/
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19:26<drac_boy>hi to anyone still around on sunday (or monday early morning whatever your time zone is) :-) heh
19:38<drac_boy>either way am I correct in assuming that action7 could let you specify one grf that (just for a random example here) has just 10 industries when running in patch but all 14 if in ottd otherwise?
19:39*drac_boy is kinda thinking thats the wrong one but had to ask
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20:44<Flygon>drac_boy: Don't s'pose you have Telegram.
20:48<drac_boy>the russia messenger?
20:49<drac_boy>if so then no sorry :)
20:58<drac_boy>you using it or something flygon?
21:02*drac_boy wonders if flygon is lost in chatland now
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21:11<Flygon>drac_boy: You'd avoid using it because the developers are Russian?
21:11<Flygon>A shame.
21:11<Flygon>You're missing out on an active American rail group.
21:11<drac_boy>flygon no.. 'telegram' also means other things too silly .. so thats why I wondered if it was that one
21:11<Flygon>Quite large.
21:11<drac_boy>rail group? got a link
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21:13<Flygon>Tsk tsk. Too bad. You don't use Telegram. :3
21:15*drac_boy wonders about poking flygon for the lack of answer :)
21:15<drac_boy>heh
21:16<Flygon>You said you don't use Telegram!
21:18<drac_boy>I don't use the messenger
21:19<Flygon>...
21:19<Flygon>For cripes sake mate.
21:20<Flygon>Do you want to foam in a chatroom with another American Red Dwarf fan or not?
21:27<drac_boy>what're you up to tonight anyhow flygon?
21:28<Flygon>:V It's 1:28PM.
21:28<Flygon>Not sure yet.
21:29<drac_boy>ah, had good lunch then I hope?
21:33<Flygon>Can't afford lunch.
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21:36<drac_boy>mm well its 21:36 here and just hammering at keyboard with this pre-nfo track list (aside to that I finished two emails earlier on)
21:36<drac_boy>might go off soon eventually for bed
21:36<Flygon>Aye.
21:47<drac_boy>anyway bye now :)
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