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08:37<Borg>hooi
08:37<Borg>haha ;) this GRF is fun,..
08:37<Borg>factory output: 10k goods ;D
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09:58<RafiX>why this game must be so addicting
10:02<Borg>:D
10:02<Borg>yeah.. cant stop play now ;) w/ my cool newGRF I made
10:04<RafiX>well I have my save running while I do other stuff
10:04<RafiX>because no new connections to make
10:05<Borg>;)
10:05<Borg>I run server.. more fun to play w/ friends
10:05<RafiX>well I have no friends that would play with me
10:05<Borg>doh..
10:05<Borg>u can join our server..
10:05<Borg>its 24/7
10:06<Borg>1.6.1 tho.. but its not a problem I think
10:06<RafiX>I have 1.7.1
10:06<RafiX>and shitty connection
10:06<Borg>u can have many versions side by side
10:06<RafiX>so I can't play on maps bigger than 128x128 or something like that
10:06<Borg>hmmm u worry me then
10:06<Borg>cyfrowy polsat.. I know that ISP..
10:06<Borg>really?
10:06<Borg>crap... :(
10:06<Borg>I run 512x512
10:07<RafiX>well I tried some 512x512 server and connection got dropped after downloading like 20% of the map
10:08<Borg>dude? what kind of connection u have?
10:08<Borg>dialup?
10:09<Borg>satelite?
10:09<Borg>let me check
10:09<RafiX>"LTE"
10:09<RafiX>it's fucking worse than dialup
10:09<LordAro>LTE should be multiMB/s
10:09<Borg>no local ISPs around? with WiFi?
10:09<LordAro>unless it's lying
10:09<Borg>LordAro: yeah sure....
10:09<Borg>dream on... ;)
10:10<RafiX>LordAro: it is fucking lying
10:10<LordAro>:p
10:11<RafiX>I wanted to switch to local ISP
10:11<Borg>RafiX: ROFL.. they home page cannot load...
10:11<Borg>https://bgp.he.net/AS8374#_graph4
10:11<Borg>buhauhauhauhauhaua
10:11<Borg>mostly TATA as provider
10:11<Borg>no wonder its piece of shit
10:11<Borg>holy fuck....
10:12<Borg>this is very bad news for me..
10:12<Borg>because my ISP is probably going to be bought up by them....
10:12<Borg>lucky.. im dual homed :D
10:13<RafiX>but as fucking always my mother thinks it's worse than our current connection and agreement (idk if that's a correct term, maybe it was contract) have to end first
10:13<Borg>well, I cant ping your endpoint at all
10:13<Borg>traceroute dies somewhere in plusnet.pl
10:13<Borg> 9 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 212.2.99.246
10:13<RafiX>wtf
10:13<Borg>last home isnt that bad :)
10:14<RafiX>well it was SOMETIMES okay
10:14<RafiX>like 50Mbps dl and 25Mbps up
10:15<Borg>well.. its still radio...
10:16<RafiX>it's funny that they say it's good for watching HD movies online and playing online games..
10:16<Borg>well.. on specs.. it looks not bad...
10:16<RafiX>I wonder if that celebrite from advert ever used that shit
10:16<Borg>but.. as always... in practice it doesnt look good
10:17<RafiX>^
10:17<RafiX>it's tragic
10:17<Borg>well...
10:17<Borg>still... OpenTTD uses like 20Kbit/s per client
10:17<Borg>and doesnt need bleeding edge rtt
10:18<Borg>so.. its weird u cannon connect
10:18<Borg>maybe u used so crappy severs? ;)
10:18<Borg>can happen
10:18<RafiX>it's more about downloading map
10:18<Borg>u can try my server
10:18<Borg>if u want.. I can give u IP + GRF
10:18<Borg>but first.. get OpenTTD 1.6.1 if u want to try
10:18<RafiX>well I could download it from debian repo
10:18<RafiX>maybe later
10:19<Borg>ohh linux :)
10:19<RafiX>well yeah
10:19<RafiX>I can't work on windows for too long
10:19<Borg>im fine w/ windows.. but only specific version.. ;)
10:19<RafiX>Borg: I guess it shouldn't look like this http://rafix.ct8.pl/files/traceroute.txt
10:19<LordAro>Borg: if you're on windows, you have 0 excuse for not upgrading to 1.7 :p
10:19<RafiX>^
10:20<RafiX>well maybe he's running server on linux
10:20<Borg>of course on linux
10:20<Borg>I had to compile gcc-4.9 first! to compile openttd
10:20<LordAro>RafiX: eh, that traceroute isn't necessarily bad
10:20<LordAro>ping time is awful
10:20<RafiX>and speed
10:20<LordAro>but you can't take much into account from the hops being missing
10:20<Borg>LordAro: oh? u can ping him?
10:21<Borg>I have timeouts
10:21<LordAro>Borg: no, it's in the txt file :p
10:21<RafiX>^
10:21<Borg>ahh lets see
10:21<Borg>RafiX: try traceroute -I
10:21<LordAro>mtr
10:21<Borg>it sends ICMP packets instead of UDP.. u might get better result
10:21<RafiX>Borg: hmm, I can ping you
10:22<Borg>RafiX: what rtt?
10:22<RafiX>I only send one packet
10:22<RafiX>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 41.951/41.951/41.951/0.000 ms
10:22<Borg>not bad
10:22<Borg>so teoreticaly...
10:22<Borg>u should join my server just fine...
10:23<Borg>but.. u might have big packet loss on link...
10:23<Borg>thats why U might experiencing problem joining servers
10:23<Borg>today ISPs.. doesnt care about QoS... :( shit shit shit
10:23<RafiX>Borg: http://rafix.ct8.pl/files/traceroute.txt with -I
10:23<RafiX>well I have some packet loss
10:24<Borg>well.. if its above 3%
10:24<Borg>its become annoying
10:24<LordAro>RafiX: there's no packet loss shown on that output
10:24<LordAro>RafiX: run mtr
10:25<LordAro>it's like traceroute, but with ping
10:25<Borg>mtr is bad for checking packetloss
10:25<LordAro>and it looks fancy
10:25<LordAro>Borg: i mean, anything is
10:25<Borg>best tool is using fping or similar.. and generate 100pps at least to well know target..
10:25<Borg>or.. *at* least 10pps
10:25<Borg>to get any reasults
10:25<LordAro>that's... a ping storm
10:25<Borg>ping storm? haha
10:25<LordAro>and is liable to just get you dropped
10:26<Borg>ping storm is when we have k prefix before pps ;)
10:26<Borg>naaah
10:26<Borg>I said.. well know target..
10:26<LordAro>servers are quite within their rights to say "i've got better things to do than respond to this ICMP packet, i'm going to ignore it"
10:26<Borg>some BSD or Linux server.. it will not drop
10:26<LordAro>Borg: well, it's unnecessary, at least
10:26<LordAro>eh
10:27<Borg>routers usually drop ICMPs (limit)
10:27<Borg>but not servers.. unless configured
10:27<Borg>and this is rare
10:27<LordAro>eh, routers are servers :p
10:27<Borg>no
10:27<Borg>routers are routers.. servers are servers.. and servers can be routers..
10:27<Borg>but no other way around
10:28<RafiX>and some routers can be servers
10:28<Borg>routers are more specialized hardware... for routing packets.. they have ASICs.. TCAMs.. etc
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10:28<Borg>some routers?
10:28<Borg>ahh.. u speak about SOHO market.
10:28<Borg>that doesnt count dude :)
10:28<LordAro>not even that
10:28<RafiX>openwrt
10:28<LordAro>i've seen plenty of consumer level stuff that you can connect a drive to
10:28<Borg>RafiX: its SOHO
10:29<Borg>Im speaking about big L3 switches or routers...
10:29<Borg>what ISPs run
10:29<LordAro>well indeed
10:29<Borg>try run anything on Cisco 6807-XL ;)
10:29<LordAro>exactly :p
10:29<LordAro>but anyway
10:30<LordAro>mtr is still useful
10:30<Borg>yeah...
10:30<Borg>but can be misleading
10:30<LordAro>it's just not always as clear as "omg it dropped a packet"
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12:35<V453000>0.16 hype anyone? :)
12:36<Borg>?
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12:41<LordAro>V453000: always
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13:11<Borg>hehe../ around 10k production at factory.. still rating >90% :D
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27944 trunk/src/lang/spanish_MX.txt (2017-12-14 19:45:41 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>spanish (mexican): 1 change by Absay
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14:08<drac_boy>sunny-but-cold winter hi from me
14:08*drac_boy couldn't resist :p
14:08<RafiX>tfw there's no snow
14:09<RafiX>gib snow back
14:09<drac_boy>rafix umm sorry but there IS a thick layer of slight hard snow on the ground all around here? :-)
14:09<drac_boy>either way rafix hows your health compared to yesterday?
14:10<RafiX>I visited my doctor today
14:10<RafiX>got some meds, but will buy them tommorow :/
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14:10<andythenorth>o/
14:10<RafiX>o/
14:11<drac_boy>hi andy
14:11<drac_boy>well hope things will be ok soon anyhow rafix
14:11<RafiX>at least I have rest of the week off
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14:13<Wolf01>o/
14:17<andythenorth>is wolf
14:18<drac_boy>so is there any limit to the vehicle name (for in buy list) or just anything goes as long as its not a reserved value name?
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15:02<andythenorth>iz V453000
15:02<andythenorth>tank win rate static
15:02<andythenorth>getting bored
15:15<Wolf01>Play OTTD
15:15<Borg>;)
15:20<Borg>geez
15:20<Borg>I dont really get why ppl put semaphores every 2-3 tiles...
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