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---Logopened Sat Dec 23 00:00:17 2017
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04:18<Wolf01>Moin
04:30*Wolf01 pushes button... no moin back... depressed
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07:25<Wolf01>- Removed the mechanics of 3 different fluid tanks in fluid wagon, and simplified it so the fluid wagon has just 1 fluid. ........... :( shit
07:26<m3henry>Ikr
07:27<m3henry>This breaks my workflow
07:27<Wolf01>This breaks my refinery
07:28<m3henry>It annoys me that they're removing the code for it, so it can't just be re-enabled with a mod
07:29<Wolf01>It annoys me that they made it mid 0.16, if they made it from the beginning it should have been better, because now I have broken 0.16 games
07:30<frosch123>well, don't update before the game is finished :p
07:31<Wolf01>Well, don't mix breaking changes with bugfixes
07:31<frosch123>anyway, i only used the wagons separation once, and considered it useless for pretty much the facts in the fff
07:31<frosch123>for sulfufic acid a single compartment is way too big, so i use barrels
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07:32<frosch123>for other stuff you need to whole wagon
07:32<m3henry>I found it useful for super cheap oil outposts
07:32<Wolf01>I use to bring a third of wagon of water where the lakes are too much far away
07:32<m3henry>transport superheated steam out, bring back oil
07:45<longtomjr_>Another place where it shone is when using big mods like Bob's and especially angel's
07:46<longtomjr_>when you have several products from a single reaction and you want to transport that to another location or storage
07:46<Wolf01>Like all 3 products of the refinery with just 1 wagon
07:47<longtomjr_>Yep, now a 1 wagon train becomes a 2 - 3 wagon train
07:47<longtomjr_>meaning you need 3 - 4 long stations as well
07:48<longtomjr_>and then, if you want to play with trains mostly, there is very little justification for using trains, since it just takes up so much space, and makes very little senes
07:48<longtomjr_>sense*
07:50<longtomjr_>At least keep the code there to make it easily to mod in
07:50<longtomjr_>btw, I like found out 2 weeks ago that V - 453000 is on the Factorio team, never clicked.
07:50<Wolf01>"takes up so much space" does not make sense in F, the space is unlimited
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07:51<m3henry>Space is relative though
07:51<frosch123>longtomjr_: it was this channel that pointed him the the job offer description :p
07:51<longtomjr_>Wow that is really cool :)
07:52<m3henry>I wonder what pikkabird is up to these days
07:52<frosch123>last time he was studying again
07:52<frosch123>@seen pikka
07:52<@DorpsGek>frosch123: pikka was last seen in #openttd 18 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Pikka> andythenorth, no I can't. Although I've had several people in the last couple of weeks tell me I should be running at state level
07:52<frosch123>@seen pokka
07:52<@DorpsGek>frosch123: pokka was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 49 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Pokka> o?
07:53<longtomjr_>Wolf01, for me space matters quite a bit, especially when using mostly trains.
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07:54<longtomjr_>I like to have small trains going around doing small things, and large ones doing the major transporting
07:55<longtomjr_>much like trains in OpenTTD
07:55<longtomjr_> anyways, going afk
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08:07<Samu>hi
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10:15<andythenorth>o/
10:15<frosch123>cat
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10:27<andythenorth>yup
10:28<andythenorth>shall I add tyres?
10:28<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#steeltown
10:28<andythenorth>I have the cargo sprites for stations http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#tyre_plant
10:41<Eddi|zuHause>tyres of steel?
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11:37<Samu>Wormnest: i'm testing nonocab in the harsh environment of multiplayer trolls
11:38<Samu>there are trains crashing on his vehicles on purpose, I wonder what nonocab do about it
11:39<Wormnest>Samu: Are NoNoCabs trains crashing? That should not happen
11:42<Samu>no, there's trolls trains crashing on nonocabs road vehicles
11:42<Samu>retards who join and all they do is ruin other players
11:42<Samu>including AIs
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11:43<Wormnest>Well that´s why you need moderators on multiplayer
11:45<Samu>what does nonocab do? just rebuild new vehicles?
11:45<Samu>does he also detect broken routes? the troll also destroyed some roads
11:47<Wormnest>As far as I remember it doesn´t do anything. It certainly won´t detect broken roads.
11:48<Samu>he blocked some ships too, just noticed
11:48<Wormnest>But if profit gets bad it will cancel the route and send vehicles to depot
11:48<Samu>poor nonocab
11:49<Wormnest>afk
11:49<Samu>"no vehicle that we can clone found"... lel
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11:55<Borg>yeah... its sad that trolls are everywhere these days
11:55<Borg>I basicaly run passworded servers...
11:56<Borg>or even not advertised..
11:56<Samu>i notice he's adding more road vehicles to replace those that crashed
11:56<Samu>and they keep up crashing again
11:56<Samu>but nonocab is so rich, it still profits
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12:02<Samu>Wormnest: nonocab aircraft model choice is weird, did you make it random or something?
12:03<Samu>and ship model choice also appears to be random
12:03<andythenorth>lo Alberth
12:05<@Alberth>o/
12:05<Samu>hi
12:06<Samu>i picked Machiavellian and he's picking easy vehicles
12:06<Samu>hmm
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12:31<frosch123>how weird, huge rocks now also give coal
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12:37<andythenorth>F?
12:37<frosch123>F!
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12:54<Samu>i see nonocab with some ships with (no loading), is he trying to sell these?
12:54<Samu>the ships are stuck though
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13:17<Wormnest>Samu: It´s not a random choice but depends on what it thinks is best and affordable with the available money
13:18<Wormnest>Yeah It does change ship orders when they should be sold
13:18<Wormnest>Might be useful to have a savegame so I can investigate
13:20<Samu>i don't know what can be done
13:21<Samu>it was sabotage, but oki, i'm sending replay
13:23<Samu>https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=200662
13:25<Wormnest>Ah ok, I thought you meant the ships got stuck without intervention in that case it would be a bug.
13:31<Samu>he liked to use aircraft to transport food
13:34<Wormnest>As long as there´s a profit it´s all good :p
13:35<Samu>he still builds mps regal busses
13:35<Samu>:( why
13:38<@Alberth>is there a better alternative?
13:38<@Alberth>as in, more economically profitable?
13:39<Samu>there are foster busses
13:40<Wormnest>I would expect it to pick the faster ones too but I´ll have a look if I can figure it out
13:43<Wormnest>It did use a Foster bus for vehicle 103
13:44<Samu>seems that he just replaced all mps with foster
13:44<Samu>what took him so long :(
13:44<Wormnest>But maybe it thought for another connection the Hereford would be more profitable
13:44<Samu>there are 3 busses stuck
13:45<Samu>have you seen them?
13:45<Samu>some troll demolished the roads :8
13:45<Wormnest>I saw but adding code to find things broken by trolls would be a lot of work for little benefit
13:46<Samu>there are some cargo ships at the bottom right corner
13:46<Samu>they're the slow version
13:46<Samu>it could have chosen the faster model
13:47<Samu>at Great Prefingford
13:47<Wormnest>Faster isn´t always more profitable. Also depends on cargo size and running costs
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17:11<Wolf01>'night
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17:22<alluke>HO HO HO
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17:49<alluke>merry christmas
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18:34<Speedy>happy holidays
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