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07:42<Samu>hi
07:44<peter1138>hello
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10:05<Samu>i nearly forgot Trains required special handling for it to start
10:05<Samu>Trans*
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10:32<Kaiser>Hi guys
10:32<Kaiser>Why there's no oil rigs on new generated map?
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10:35<Borg>Kaiser: depends on start time
10:35<Borg><1960 - no oil rigs.. only oil wells
10:36<Kaiser>Ok. Thanks, got it
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10:37<Kaiser>But there's no oil rigs in my 1980 map
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10:39<Borg>Kaiser: is there enough water?
10:39<Borg>temperate climate?
10:39<Kaiser>Yes. Yes
10:39<Borg>lets see
10:40<Kaiser>https://imgur.com/kXTmePq
10:40<Borg>hehe indeed
10:41<Borg>but dont worry
10:41<Borg>they will appear in short time in map I think
10:41<Borg>seems generator only generates oil wells at the begining
10:41<peter1138>They tend to want to appear by the edge of the map
10:41<peter1138>There's a setting for distance from edge.
10:41<Kaiser>So oil rigs can't be created by generator?
10:42<Borg>peter1138: u sure?
10:42<Kaiser>I wonder why there is not mentioned at wiki
10:42<Kaiser>*in wiki
10:42<Borg>peter1138: its for oil refinery.. not oil rig
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10:43<Kaiser>This option has max value
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10:43<peter1138>No, not sure :p
10:43<Borg>Kaiser: if you realllly want them to appear shortly in game..
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10:44<Borg>u can try my IndBuild gamescript
10:44<Borg>not yet released.. but I use it on my server.. works fine
10:45<Kaiser>So it is OK that generator wouldn't create any oil rigs?
10:45<Borg>dunno
10:46<Kaiser>Ok then
10:53<Kaiser>Bye
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10:58<Samu>generator doesn't create oil rigs at game start
10:58<Samu>distance from edge is for both oil rig and oil refinery
10:59<@Alberth>oil rigs don't exist < 1960 or so
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11:09<LordAro>http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/6d5adf95cd9e/src/table/build_industry.h#l1249 indeed
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12:31<Samu>CHECK_OIL_RIG
12:31<Samu>must check what it does
12:31<Samu> CHECK_OIL_RIG, ///< Industries at sea should be positioned near edge of the map.
12:32<Samu>ah, i knew it
12:33<Samu> if (TileHeight(tile) == 0 && DistanceFromEdge(TILE_ADDXY(tile, 1, 1)) < _settings_game.game_creation.oil_refinery_limit) return CommandCost();
12:33<Samu>it reuses oil refinery limit
12:41<Samu>hi Wormnest
12:41<Samu>nonocab v5 is underperforming
12:42<Samu>made ships and 1 train and it's been 35 years
12:42<Samu>39 ships
12:42<Samu>train is monorail, not maglev, I started in 2051
12:42<Samu>strange
12:43<Samu>no road vehicles or aircraft at all
12:46<Samu>dbg: [script] [0] [W] WARNING: There are 106 connection reports left to evaluate.
12:46<Samu>what does it mean?
12:47<Samu>is it still pathfinding?
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12:54<Wolf01>o/
12:55<Wormnest>Hi Samu that´s too bad
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12:56<Wormnest>If infrastructure maintenance is on an you have plane speed set to 1/3 or 1/4 nonocab isn´t gonna use aircraft
12:57<Wormnest>Could be that it built monorail because with the available money maglev was too expensive
12:59<@Alberth>o/
13:00<Wormnest>Connection reports left to evaluate means that those are possible connections where it´s computing what the profits of those connections might be
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13:04<Wolf01>Quak
13:04<frosch123>hoi
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13:05<frosch123>what is the effect of python's "import" inside a function?
13:05<@Alberth>import isn't done until you execute the function
13:06<@Alberth>unless you import the module elsewhere of course
13:06<frosch123>so the symbols remain function local
13:06<@Alberth>it's often used to delay importing, or to break an import cycle
13:06<frosch123>and are declared on every function call
13:06<@Alberth>not sure, but likely
13:07<@Alberth>but the import is done once, just like the other imports
13:07<@Alberth>ie second and other times it's pulled from the cache
13:08<frosch123>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pv6sresix?/pv6sresix <- then that should be fine
13:09<@Alberth>I'd expect so
13:09<Samu>hmm why not build aircraft? he was doing fine on v4
13:09<frosch123>#8525 is a bit silly. it wants to catch the exception, but then fails because it does not know the exception symbol :p
13:09<@Alberth>that's the only use of psycopg2?
13:09<Samu>except that airport place
13:10<frosch123>the other function has the same import
13:10<@Alberth>ah
13:10<frosch123>but both are inside the if db_type
13:10<@Alberth>to avoid importing if you don't have de DB
13:10<@Alberth>*the
13:12<Wormnest>Samu: Because infrastructure costs of airports are so high that its difficult to make a profit unless aircraft can fly at full speed
13:12<Wormnest>Though it also depends on your other settings of course
13:12<@Alberth>an alternative is to try: import psycopg2 except ImportError: psycopg2 is None # so psycopg2 is None defines whether the import succeeded if you need that
13:13<@Alberth>hmm, psycopg2 = None in the "except" branch of course
13:14<@Alberth>not enough Python written recently, clearly
13:15<Wormnest>Admittedly at 2051 aircraft might even work out at lower speed but I didn´t want to add too much logic at this time
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13:24<m3henry>Evening all
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13:59<andythenorth>o/
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14:01<andythenorth>ohai Zuu :)
14:02<Zuu>Hello andy :-)
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14:14*andythenorth drawing ships
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14:14<andythenorth>it takes about 1 day per angle for the hull
14:14<andythenorth>but I can relight 4 angles quickly
14:14<andythenorth>so 4 days per hull
14:16<andythenorth>6 hulls
14:16<andythenorth>hmm
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14:21*Wolf01 drawing ideas for NRT->BGT transition
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14:28<andythenorth>I think it's at least partly about how we set up the layers in NRT
14:30<frosch123>remove trams? :p
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14:33<andythenorth>that can go on the list of options, yes :P
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14:39<frosch123>when pikka is around, it'll get a vote :)
14:40<frosch123>is "it'll" a word?
14:40<Eddi|zuHause>hm, getting plasmashell to run again is not fun
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>anyone know of an alternative to plasmashell?
14:42<Samu>nonocab isn't building any road vehicle yet, have you changed something about that, Wormnest
14:43<frosch123>inside or outside of kde?
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14:44<Wormnest>Samu: Not in this version but in the previous one I made it less eager to build new road when infrastructure maintenance is on
14:46<andythenorth>it'll is a word
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14:48<Wolf01>I'm still looking for a rule to know how to pronounce "y" in English in different words :P
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14:50<Eddi|zuHause>the rule is simple: never the same in any two words
14:50<frosch123>Wolf01: ghoti
14:51<frosch123>^^ unfortunately too long for a grfid
14:51<Wolf01>Fish XD
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>you need a gh-ligature :p
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: while kde is technically running, but plasmashell always crashes
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14:59<andythenorth>my kids learnt that fish is ghoti recently
15:00<frosch123>i can't tell my niece that kind of stuff. otherwise she shies away from english even more
15:00<Eddi|zuHause>tell her that ghoti is klingon for fish?
15:01<Wolf01>Teach her Klingon directly
15:01<frosch123>she's no time traveler, where should she know klingon from?
15:02<frosch123>pink unicorns just got unpopular, not sure what comes next
15:04<Eddi|zuHause>i'm out of ideas, i removed ~/.config
15:04<Eddi|zuHause>where could other things be that make plasmashell not work, when it worked before?
15:05<frosch123>here there is still a .kde
15:06<Eddi|zuHause>but plasmashell wouldn't access that?
15:06<frosch123>there is also Desktop
15:07<Eddi|zuHause>none of the files in Desktop were changed in the past half year
15:07<frosch123>well, create a new user, and check whether the defaults work :p
15:08<m3henry>I'm not familiar enough with KDE to comment, all I know is that it works on my install.
15:09<Eddi|zuHause>also i can't get a crash report/backtrace
15:10<Eddi|zuHause>hm, it crashes somewhere in the graphics driver
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16:40<supermop_zuArbeit>yo
16:40<m3henry>o/
16:43<frosch123>supermop_zuArbeit: "zu" -> "auf" or "bei"
16:44<supermop_zuArbeit>but i look more like eddi this way
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16:50<quak>messing with your highlights
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16:52<Wolf01>Nice, now I don't know anymore who is who :D
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16:55<pikkadan>GN :)
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16:56<Wolf01>Also
16:56<Wolf01>'night
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17:12<m3henry_>did I?
17:13<m3henry_>It seems I did
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