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05:34<__ln__>end of discussion
05:47<LordAro>start of discussion
05:49<andythenorth>discussion of end
05:53<SpComb>start of end
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08:38<Samu>hello
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08:48<Samu>so, spam bots also bump 12 year old topics
08:48<Samu>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=26729
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09:02<Samu>@logs
09:02<@DorpsGek>Samu: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd
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09:28<supermop_work_>yo
09:31<Samu>hi
09:37<LordAro>Samu: without clicking on the persons link, i'm not entirely sure they're a spambot
09:38<LordAro>just very confused
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09:57<@Alberth>o/
09:58<crem1>\o
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10:02<Borg>\O/
10:02<Borg>I need city growers on my server
10:31<@Alberth>run some sim-city game?
10:53<Samu>start an AI
10:55<Samu>openttd 1.7.2 still runs on my old athlon xp 2700+
10:56<@Alberth>don't turn off the power :)
10:59<andythenorth>o/
10:59<@Alberth>hi hi
11:00<peter1138>Why would it not run on it?
11:02<Samu>it's a windows 7 system with a 32-bit processor
11:03<Samu>with 2 GB of ram
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11:04<Samu>most of the % power goes to processing graphics
11:04<Samu>when openttd is minimized, i get ~5-8% usage
11:05<Samu>17%~20% when staring at a still screen
11:06<Samu>48-60% when scrolling screen
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11:20<andythenorth>quak
11:22<frosch123>moo
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11:34<Borg>oh..
11:35<Borg>on my i5-760.. OpenTTD uses barely 3%
11:35<Borg>anytime
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11:44<Alkel_U3>I maxed out CPU usage to 100% when I ran a server on an Allwiner A20 SOC with ~5-6 players at 512^2 map, but only after about 100 years :-)
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11:48<Borg>Alkel_U3: vanilla? any GS ?
11:49<andythenorth>openttd uses up to about 80% of CPU for me
11:49<andythenorth>rarely more
11:51<andythenorth>but I have an old, low-spec CPU
11:51<andythenorth>i7-7567U
11:51<andythenorth>3.5Ghz
11:52<andythenorth>GHz
11:54<Alkel_U3>Borg: vanilla and I forgot to mention that it was just before cargodist
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11:55<Alkel_U3>although CD runs in another thread if I'm not mistaken so the dualcore SOC would probably still be able to keep up
11:59<Borg>andythenorth: old spec? ;P
11:59<Borg>need to lookup ark.intel.com later.. to compare to mine
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12:02<andythenorth>https://ark.intel.com/products/97541/Intel-Core-i7-7567U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz
12:04<Borg>https://ark.intel.com/compare/97541,48496,48496
12:04<Borg>dude.. its strange :)
12:04<Borg>andythenorth: huges maps? shitload of GRFs? and CPU intensive GS?
12:05<Borg>andythenorth: its mobile?
12:06<Borg>yeah.. mobile
12:06<Borg>so I guess you use intergrated GPU
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12:07<andythenorth>yes
12:07<Samu>run in 8bpp
12:08<andythenorth>8bpp is much worse I think
12:08<andythenorth>than 32bpp
12:08<Samu>let me check my openttd.cfg
12:08<Borg>I run in 8bpp too
12:08<Samu>blitter = "8bpp-optimized"
12:08<andythenorth>to be accurate, 80% of one thread unit
12:09<Borg>of course
12:09<Samu>what if you minimize the window
12:09<Samu>cpu usage should go down
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12:09<Borg>blitter = ""
12:09<Borg>whatever I use :D
12:13<Samu>soundsset = "NoSound"
12:13<Samu>musicset = "NoMusic"
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12:15<Samu>sprite_cache_size_px = 128
12:15<Samu>not sure what is it for
12:16<Borg>let me load my very busy 512x512 map.. West 90210
12:16<Samu>yes, full animation is off
12:18<Borg>up to 15% when I zoom out max and scroll around
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12:19<Borg>I remember when I had P3 933MHz.. yes..
12:20<Borg>OpenTTD could eat 100% when max zoom out.. :)
12:20<Samu>i'm not sure i can start a 4k map
12:20<Samu>let's try
12:22<Samu>17:22 - started generating
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12:31<Samu>tile loop thing
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12:31<Samu>finished
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12:39<Samu>test
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12:44*peter1138 has an old CPU now.
12:45<Samu>too slow
12:46<peter1138>Hmm, OpenTTD 0% CPU (in a network game)
12:46<peter1138>Ooh it went up to 0.2%
12:47<peter1138>Ah, 0.5% zoomed out.
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12:49<peter1138>That's more like it. 10% if I scroll the map around.
12:50<peter1138>I guess that's 10% of the whole CPU rather than just one core.
12:50<Samu>i'm trying to host and failing
12:51<Samu>firewall, port forward, grr
12:51<Samu>router
12:52<Samu>nevermind, I was not announcing it
12:52<Borg>Samu: anything special going to be hosted?
12:53<Borg>I just started server.. 1950 start.. its 1960.. :) so
12:53<Samu>not really, just trying to see if i can host with this system
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12:54<Samu>server doesn't show up
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12:54<Borg>Samu: its really easier to get VPS and host there :)
12:57<Samu>i always forget what i need to forward
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12:58<Samu>OpenTTD on a windows 10 install has 2 Readme's
12:59<Samu>and they're both different
12:59<peter1138>I only have one.
12:59<Wolf01>o/
13:00<peter1138>Well, there's another in the scripts/ directory.
13:00<Borg>2 ports
13:00<Wolf01>http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weirdest-patch-notes-of-2017/ why no OpenTTD?
13:00<Borg>tcp+udp:3979
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13:03<Wolf01>Mmmh, I should start to prepare the announcement for 1st april
13:03<Samu> * port 3979 is free for both UDP and TCP connections in- and outgoing * port 3978 is free outbound for UDP in order to advertise with the master server (if desired). Otherwise you'll have to tell players your IP. * port 3977 if use of the admin interface is desired (see admin_network.txt)
13:03<Wolf01>This time we'll add screenshots too, with weird features
13:04<Wolf01>andythenorth, supermop_work_: need grfs or pixel editing to show stuff which won't ever be in game, like canals
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13:07<andythenorth>canal docks :P
13:08<Wolf01>Dried out sea
13:08<Wolf01>Mad max trucks in place of ships
13:09<Samu>i still can't host, damn me
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13:12<Alkel_U3>I also suggest a VPS - the basic one at Forpsi costs an euro a month and has enough resources to run at least two instances at once
13:13<Samu>will a DMZ Host suffice?
13:13<Samu>can't seem to do it with port forwarding
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13:24<Samu>https://www.openttd.org/en/servers
13:24<Samu>grrr
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13:26<Samu>we are not receiving the acknowledgement from the server
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13:33<Samu>advertising on master server successful
13:33<Samu>this worked with DMZ Host
13:33<Samu>but i don't like to set up my router like this
13:34<Samu>why am I failing to port forward
13:34<Samu>it's not a windows firewall problem anymore... it's on the router side
13:36<+glx>maybe your router can't be joined on external IP from internal IP
13:36<+glx>happens on some models
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13:38<Samu>queried from x.x.x.x these are the ppl who are getting my server listed on theirs, right?
13:38<+glx>yes
13:39<Samu>what is a broadcast address?
13:39<Samu>192.168.1.255 is a broadcast address
13:40<+glx>that's for sending a message on all devices in the subnet IIRC
13:41<Samu>https://www.openttd.org/en/server/115357
13:41<Samu>it's listed there, can someone join? wanted to hear if it's running at the right speed
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13:47<Samu>sec, restarting server as a 4096x4096 map
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13:48<Samu>newgame command on a dedicated server creates new game as a server, or as a single player? hmm..
13:49<Samu>meh, i'll find out in a min
13:49<Samu>still generating, 50%
13:52<Samu>it's up
13:52<Samu>somebody try join?
13:58<peter1138>What's it called?
13:59<Samu>https://www.openttd.org/en/server/115357
13:59<peter1138>What's it called?
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14:01<peter1138>"Athlon XP 2700+" was the correct answer.
14:01<peter1138>Network-Game connection lost
14:01<Eddi|zuHause>must be the fastest computer ever built
14:02<Eddi|zuHause>... in 2005
14:03<Samu>Athlon XP 2700+
14:03<Samu>client #5 took more than 1000 ticks to dl map and disconnectd
14:04<Samu>damn, it'sso slow, can't even type here
14:04<peter1138>Yeah, my 80mbps connection is not enough :p
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14:06<Samu>peter1138 name shows up
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14:06<andythenorth>millibits peter1138 ? :o
14:07<Samu>what are the settings to... erm increase these ticks when joining, i forgot
14:07<peter1138>Certainly felt like it.
14:07<peter1138>map_size_x 8
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14:10<Samu>map_size_x is 12
14:10<Samu>t.t
14:10<Samu>listsettings network
14:11<Samu>max_init_time
14:12<Samu>max_join_time
14:12<Samu>max_download_time
14:12<Eddi|zuHause>that's 2048?
14:12<Samu>max_password_time
14:12<Eddi|zuHause>or 256?
14:12<Eddi|zuHause>or something else?
14:12<Samu>@calc 2**12
14:12<@DorpsGek>Samu: 4096
14:15<Samu>okay, i set up all these times to 32000
14:15<Samu>gonna try map size 2048x2048
14:17<Samu>generating
14:17<Samu>15%
14:17<Samu>35
14:17<Samu>85
14:17<Samu>advertising successful
14:18<Samu>ok try joining again
14:18<Samu>let me look at cpu usage
14:19<Samu>i see it peak at 8%
14:19<Samu>much lower than the 90% at 4096x4096
14:19<Samu>strange
14:21<peter1138>Odd that.
14:21<Samu>why so much difference in cpu usage
14:21<peter1138>4x less work to do, just on the map, let alone towns & industries.
14:29<Borg>who else here loves getto junctions style building? ;)
14:32<Wolf01>I need to learn how to make rules on tane, I'm trying to make a shunting puzzle
14:33<Samu>who can test joining my server?
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14:35<Samu>just wanted to know from someone with a modern system if my server is slowing down or sluggish
14:35<Samu>gameplay
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15:31<Samu>ERROR: Silly boy, you cannot move the server!
15:32<Samu>who came up with these name calling
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15:46<Samu>@calc ~(4096*4096)/(256*256)
15:46<@DorpsGek>Samu: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
15:47<Samu>@calc (4096*4096)/(256*256)
15:47<@DorpsGek>Samu: 256
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15:47<Samu>bigger maps (up to 64 times in size)
15:47<Samu>it's 256
15:47<Samu>fix plz
15:47<Samu>https://www.openttd.org/en/about
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15:48<Samu>@calc (2048*2048)/(256*256)
15:48<@DorpsGek>Samu: 64
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16:02<Samu>https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6663
16:02<Samu>i've expeienced that many times too
16:02<Samu>i don't know why it happens
16:04<Samu>i create the map in the scenario editor, i place them manually, then i start a game on it and then... boom industries end up closing rather soon
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16:14<Borg>Samu: yeah.. and u could use English... u prick
16:14<Borg>;)
16:15<Samu>borg, can u join my server, and tell me if it's fast or slow
16:20<Borg>name?
16:20<Samu>athlon xp 2700+
16:20<Borg>da fuck
16:20<Borg>u could make larger map
16:20<Borg>10MB to download
16:20<Borg>around 100KB/s download
16:21<Borg>so.. its ok
16:21<Borg>but you should do 512x512 map
16:21<Samu>that slow? i thought my connection was faster :(
16:21<Borg>takes ages to join :D
16:22<Borg>and vioala
16:22<Borg>I was kicked out
16:22<Borg>unable to join.. too much to download
16:22<Borg>or wait
16:22<Borg>it stalled
16:22<Borg>yeah.. joined finaly
16:22<Samu>Borg has joined
16:23<Samu>nice, but how does it behave? sluggish? normal?
16:24<Borg>lets see traffic
16:25<Samu>I see there's a UaPro client in, didn't notice him join, bah
16:25<Borg>it still needs 1KB/s for now :) good
16:25<Borg>around 2KB/s
16:26<Borg>looks ok
16:26<Borg>trains move ok
16:27<Borg>100% CPU usage
16:27<Samu>are there trees? unsure
16:27<Borg>on world map.. :D
16:28<Samu>if i disabled or not
16:28<Borg>yeah.. there are
16:28<Samu>erm, oops
16:28<Samu>ok, they eat too much savegame size
16:29<Borg>I wonder if anyone plays on map larges that 1024x1024 ;)
16:29<Borg>for one person I feel confortable on 512x512
16:29<Borg>or even 256x256
16:29<Borg>on multiplayer I usualy play on 512x512 or 1024x512
16:30<Samu>Borg has left the game
16:30<Borg>yeah
16:31<Borg>im not going to play there.. :P
16:31<Samu>ok
16:31<Borg>I have my own server :)
16:31<Samu>was the other guy there doing anythin?
16:31<Borg>yeah
16:31<Borg>made coal route
16:31<Borg>such map is unplayable..
16:31<Borg>800+ industries.. any type
16:32<Borg>shitload of cities.. :)
16:32<Borg>not fun
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16:42<Wolf01>'night
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16:54<Samu>ST2: hi, what's the most played btpro server of all time? want to know map size
16:55<Samu>and tileset, but i guess that'd be temperate
17:17<ST2>Servers 7, 12, 13 and K1 - very different among them, on size :)
17:17<ST2>dnt ask more details, at phone now xD
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17:39<Samu>thx
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