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10:52<supermop_work>hi Alberth
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10:58<@Alberth>o/
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11:09<crem4>\o
11:13<supermop_work>waiting for andy and wolf to thank them for shipping
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12:15<Samu>hi
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13:10<supermop_work>hi Wolf01
13:10<supermop_work>thanks for shipping
13:10<Wolf01>Does it work fine and as intended?
13:15<supermop_work>at work so haven't tried yet
13:18<Samu>Wormnest:
13:18<Samu>i'm testing several ai's on a copy of btpro server 7 world
13:19<Wormnest>Hi Samu
13:19<Samu>your ai does really bad
13:19<Wormnest>Oh well you can´t always win
13:19<Samu>he's bridge happy for some reason
13:19<Samu>also when pathfinding fails, he doesn't quite remove all the rails
13:20<Samu>leaves some behind
13:20<Samu>your ai, i mean WormAI
13:20<Samu>NoNoCAB does better
13:20<Wormnest>Does the server have higher bridge costs
13:20<Samu>no, there's no newgrf used
13:22<Samu>the current best AI is BorkAI, which is really strange, he does bad everywhere else
13:22<Wormnest>It all depends on setting and sometimes a bit of luck
13:23<Samu>it's a server starting in 1935
13:23<Samu>there's no ships
13:23<Samu>airplanes are quite weak, WormAI always starts with trains
13:23<Samu>but can't take off
13:23<Samu>loan is £150k
13:24<Wormnest>Yea that might not be easy. I really need to add roadvehicle support
13:26<Samu>i'm trying to make the goal to be similar to server 7, reach €25M or £12,5M company value
13:26<Samu>let's just say most AIs are quite poor
13:26<Samu>compared to hoomans
13:27<Samu>i might try some other btpro server, i kinda like their settings setup
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13:27<andythenorth>o/
13:28<Samu>apparently my own setting choices have been too kin d for ais
13:28<Samu>kind*
13:28<Samu>easy*
13:29<andythenorth>Wolf01: hi
13:29<Samu>but ok, i think the most glaring issue is WormAI making too many bridges
13:29<Wolf01>o/
13:30<Samu>if it built normally, it would probably start better
13:32<andythenorth>Wolf01: I'm trying to repro the NRT bug reports :)
13:33<Wolf01>There are no bugs.
13:33<supermop_work>testing now
13:33<Wolf01>I don't make bugs, is other's code which doesn't mesh fine with mine :P
13:35<andythenorth>ha ha
13:37<andythenorth>Wolf01: the bridge report is valid :)
13:41<Samu>cluelessplus might be the first to get £12,5M value
13:42<Samu>Wormnest: do u got 1.7.2 installed? join this server
13:42<Samu>https://www.openttd.org/en/server/114360
13:43<Wormnest>Nope and Iḿ busy with other things too
13:43<Samu>ok, it's where the AIs are playing
13:45<supermop_work>nrt working as expected for me
13:45<supermop_work>i dont have haul in this game tho
13:50<supermop_work>ooh
13:51<supermop_work>cc on catenary poles on town owned roads
13:51<supermop_work>flickers colors when a bus drives through
13:53<supermop_work>by which i mean it cycles through to a new random cc
13:55<andythenorth>that's interesting
13:55<andythenorth>something happening to tile bits?
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13:58<supermop_work>no idea
13:58<supermop_work>i guess the cat gets redrawn when a vehicle moves through tile
13:59<supermop_work>and because towns have no CC
13:59<supermop_work>it just picks a random one each time it is drawn
13:59<supermop_work>that's my working theory
14:01<supermop_work>not sure its practical to try to get cc of whoever last converted the tile
14:01<supermop_work>so propose to either disable cc when owner=town or none
14:01<supermop_work>or give all towns a cc
14:03<andythenorth>it's an interesting problem :)
14:03<andythenorth>maybe Eddi|zuHause knows what to do
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14:18<andythenorth>disabling CC for towns would leave it just default blue
14:18<frosch123>buoys are grey
14:22<andythenorth>so is it solved problem?
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14:38<supermop_work>im fine with blue for towns if grey is too hard
14:38<andythenorth>it's probably easy to do
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14:42<andythenorth>looking how buoys do it
14:42<andythenorth>L397 in station_land.h?
14:43<Wolf01>andythenorth: you can fix the bridges problem, not hard to do, see how it's done for roads
14:43<andythenorth>ok
14:44<andythenorth>currently lost in buoys ;P
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14:46<andythenorth>frosch123: did you mean 'buoys have no CC, so catenary doesn't need it'? o_O
14:46<Wolf01>BTW, catenary throws a warning in debug when used with CC
14:47<supermop_work>andythenorth: i think he means that grey has a precedent as an identifying color for neutral infrastructure
14:47<frosch123>andythenorth: no, i meant that company coloured stuff that is not owned by anyone is currently coloured grey
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14:48<frosch123>OWNER_NONE and OWNER_TOWN are grey
14:48<frosch123>in various places
14:48<frosch123>i only remember buoys, but i think there was more
14:48<Wolf01>Time to colour buoys
14:48<andythenorth>ok, so I remap CC to grey if it's OWNER_NONE || OWNER_TOWN?
14:48<andythenorth>that can't be impossible :P
14:49<Wolf01>It's just a matter of "if"
14:50<andythenorth>and remapping the sprite palette
14:51<andythenorth>I was hoping to cargo-cult it
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14:51<andythenorth>but I can't find buoy drawing code
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17:02<Wolf01>'night
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17:38<peter1138>Uh oh, reverse engineered locomotion -> openloco
17:38<peter1138>https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenLoco/blob/master/src/openloco/openloco.cpp#L381
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17:53<Eddi|zuHause>is that something different from the aprils fools joke from like 10 years ago?
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18:23<supermop>late andy
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18:33<supermop>andythenorth: what should a basic/essential spool roster be? just road and elrd?
18:33<supermop>dirt? gavel as haul?
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