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| 04:43 | <PressureLine> | daylength binary for trunk? |
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| 05:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | was that a question? |
| 05:38 | <SpComb> | it had a question mark at the end |
| 05:39 | <__ln__> | but no verb |
| 06:44 | <vasatko> | Hi, is tehre someone who can help me with instalation Cygwin on Windows? I try it from this tutorial: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti/wiki/Cygwin but i end on 'setting up python', where pip install Pillow (or images) ends with exception. |
| 06:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what kind of exception? |
| 06:45 | <vasatko> | The headers or library files could not be found for jpeg, a required dependency when compiling Pillow from source. |
| 06:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "Under Libs section - libjpeg-devel, libjpeg8, zlib, zlib-devel, zlib0" <-- you possibly skipped this step? |
| 06:47 | <vasatko> | no 100% i install it! But can i check it somewhere (or add it now)? |
| 06:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | are you running the pip command from within cygwin? |
| 06:48 | <vasatko> | yes |
| 06:51 | <vasatko> | in etc/setup i see libjpeg8.lst.gz but i cant find any file with name 'libjpeg8' in cygwin (sub)folder |
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| 06:54 | <andythenorth> | I assume orudge knows that the SSL has expired on forums? :) |
| 06:54 | <LordAro> | again? |
| 06:55 | <andythenorth> | HSTS is preventing me from adding any exceptions |
| 06:55 | <LordAro> | didn't it do that a month ago? |
| 06:55 | <andythenorth> | is it on a rolling re-cert? |
| 06:55 | <andythenorth> | maybe the Let's Encrypt isn't automated correctly? |
| 06:55 | <andythenorth> | or it's not handling LE failures |
| 06:56 | <LordAro> | could well be |
| 06:56 | <LordAro> | took me several "months" to get it working when i first used it |
| 06:57 | <__ln__> | Let's Encrypt is sometimes painful to automate correctly. |
| 06:59 | <andythenorth> | coop has invalid cert too |
| 06:59 | <andythenorth> | specifically binaries.openttdcoop.org |
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| 07:12 | <@orudge> | andythenorth: bah |
| 07:12 | <@orudge> | It's meant to restart the web server |
| 07:12 | <@orudge> | it's evidently not... |
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| 07:14 | <@orudge> | Should now be fixed! |
| 07:15 | <@orudge> | and it should actually restart nginx next time... |
| 07:15 | <LordAro> | \o/ |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | yay |
| 07:17 | <Samu> | hi |
| 07:17 | <Samu> | https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd this site is not safe |
| 07:18 | <Samu> | DLG_FLAGS_SEC_CERT_DATE_INVALID |
| 07:20 | <LordAro> | orudge: you missed one |
| 07:20 | <LordAro> | unless that's ^Spike^ or someone |
| 07:23 | <@orudge> | LordAro: sorry? I've fixed tt-forums |
| 07:24 | <LordAro> | ottdc |
| 07:25 | <LordAro> | but i guess you don't manage that one |
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| 07:41 | <Samu> | is there a decent citybuilder GS on bananas that does not crash? |
| 08:05 | <LordAro> | lol |
| 08:05 | <LordAro> | you say that as if any of them are supposed to crash |
| 08:06 | <Samu> | tried the one named CityBuilder |
| 08:06 | <Samu> | crashed next month |
| 08:10 | <@orudge> | LordAro: no, sorry, that's not me |
| 08:30 | <Samu> | ST2: |
| 08:30 | <ST2> | sec |
| 08:30 | <Samu> | bah i dunno how to innitialize pvt |
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| 10:05 | <Samu> | can GSs stop cities from evolving with roads, but not towns? (citybuilder related question) |
| 10:06 | <Samu> | i wanted to let claimed towns to grow with roads |
| 10:06 | <Samu> | but not any other |
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| 11:17 | <Samu> | Snail, do u make SnakeAI? hmm guess not |
| 11:17 | <Snail> | never heard of it |
| 11:19 | <Samu> | I'm looking for someone to make a Company Value GS for me, lol |
| 11:19 | <Samu> | to download from Bananas |
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| 11:23 | <LordAro> | Samu: make it yourself |
| 11:23 | <Samu> | yeah, :( |
| 11:24 | <Samu> | well all I wanted was something like "pause game when a company reaches a value of £xxx" |
| 11:32 | <Samu> | teach me |
| 11:36 | <LordAro> | plenty of squirrel tutorials around |
| 11:36 | <LordAro> | stuff on the wiki as well |
| 11:36 | <LordAro> | forums was where i started |
| 11:38 | <ST2> | I started exploring couple existent GS's and reading the API (to know what each function do) |
| 11:38 | <ST2> | not that I got anywhere, most it's by trial and error xD |
| 11:39 | <ST2> | https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=62163 -- maybe a good place to start :) |
| 11:40 | <Samu> | squirrel? |
| 11:40 | <ST2> | they love nuts :P |
| 11:41 | <Samu> | ok, i downloaded minimal gs gonna read some stuff there |
| 11:41 | <Samu> | and i hate reading |
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| 11:50 | <Samu> | function GetAPIVersion() { return "1.2"; } wha? |
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| 11:52 | <Samu> | SELF_VERSION <- 1; |
| 11:52 | <Samu> | what the heck is <- ? |
| 11:53 | <Samu> | the code looks different than coding in visual studio :( |
| 11:56 | <LordAro> | funny that |
| 11:57 | <LordAro> | almost as if it's a different language |
| 11:57 | <LordAro> | although "<-" is pretty weird, i'll grant you |
| 11:57 | <nielsm> | "put 1 into SELF_VERSION" |
| 11:58 | <nielsm> | it's not unusual to see arrow-like symbols used in academics when presenting algorithms, in fact it's strange that assignment using an arrow-like symbol is so rare in programming languages |
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| 12:00 | <@Alberth> | math doesn't have the notion of assigmments, so it needs a special symbol to denote it, or you must resort to a functional language |
| 12:01 | <Samu> | i think i'm gonna follow this first https://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Introduction |
| 12:01 | <Samu> | minimalGS seems confusing |
| 12:01 | <@Alberth> | sounds like a plan |
| 12:01 | <@Alberth> | a bit much boilerplate mostly, as the real functionality is almost zero |
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| 12:02 | <Samu> | i wanted to make a GS though, hope it's similar |
| 12:02 | <@Alberth> | it is |
| 12:03 | <@Alberth> | in both cases you have to wait for events and catch+process them |
| 12:03 | <@Alberth> | set of calls to do something is a bit different |
| 12:03 | <@Alberth> | as GS has different / bigger powers |
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| 12:08 | <Samu> | squirrel is a language? |
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| 12:13 | <LordAro> | yes |
| 12:16 | <@Alberth> | http://squirrel-lang.org/doc/squirrel2.html |
| 12:20 | <Samu> | because one place was not enough https://imgur.com/4rvzpb7 |
| 12:24 | <LordAro> | of course not :p |
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| 12:40 | <Samu> | is this true? 1.3 is max version? |
| 12:40 | <Samu> | https://noai.openttd.org/docs/trunk/classAIInfo.html#c74d9e82c323a0bdcb212d6779a59668 |
| 12:45 | <LordAro> | no, but i'm pretty sure there have been no changes since then |
| 12:45 | <LordAro> | see the changelog doc page, whereever that it |
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| 12:59 | <@Alberth> | https://noai.openttd.org/api/ |
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| 13:03 | <Samu> | this script took too long to save? really? |
| 13:03 | <Samu> | function MyNewAI::Save() { //This function is outside the class declaration and requires the name of the class so squirrel can assign it to the right place. } |
| 13:04 | <Samu> | https://wiki.openttd.org/AI:AIMain |
| 13:04 | <Samu> | followed these instructions :( |
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| 13:05 | <Wolf01> | o/ |
| 13:05 | <@Alberth> | o/ |
| 13:06 | <@Alberth> | Samu: the } in the comment? |
| 13:08 | <Samu> | no |
| 13:09 | <Samu> | https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pijrjcpdk |
| 13:09 | <ST2> | if after // |
| 13:10 | <ST2> | if/when |
| 13:10 | <Wolf01> | Oh fuck, certificate again |
| 13:12 | <LordAro> | Samu: looks alright... did you reload the ai? |
| 13:12 | <Samu> | https://imgur.com/aFDdOfX |
| 13:12 | <Samu> | yeah |
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| 13:13 | <Wolf01> | o/ |
| 13:16 | <@Alberth> | hola andy |
| 13:17 | <Samu> | what is wrong? |
| 13:17 | <Samu> | is it supposed to take too long to save? |
| 13:19 | <LordAro> | it's not |
| 13:20 | <LordAro> | Samu: put an Info statement inside the Save function, see if it gets output? |
| 13:20 | <Wolf01> | To memory, which source file was the land info tool? |
| 13:21 | <@Alberth> | find a string in it, then find the string name :) |
| 13:21 | <Wolf01> | Eh |
| 13:21 | <Samu> | AILog.Info("//This function is outside the class declaration and requires the name of the class so squirrel can assign it to the right place.") |
| 13:21 | <Samu> | is this ok? |
| 13:21 | <LordAro> | what do you think? |
| 13:22 | <Samu> | i think so |
| 13:22 | <Samu> | https://imgur.com/SOJEedj |
| 13:22 | <Samu> | yeah it's there |
| 13:23 | <LordAro> | that is weird then |
| 13:24 | <Samu> | RIP GS development |
| 13:24 | <Wolf01> | Ok, found it, the usual misc_gui.. when you can't find something it's there |
| 13:25 | <andythenorth> | hi |
| 13:25 | <@Alberth> | :) |
| 13:25 | <LordAro> | Samu: maybe some AI setting you've changed? |
| 13:26 | <LordAro> | Samu: also, it's irrelevant until you actually need to start saving something |
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| 13:28 | <@Alberth> | try returning some data |
| 13:29 | <@Alberth> | if you don't do that, I can't access the paste |
| 13:30 | <Samu> | how do i do that? |
| 13:30 | <@Alberth> | return {}; |
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| 13:30 | <Samu> | ok retrying |
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| 13:30 | <@Alberth> | or some other value, the MainAI function doesm't, it seems |
| 13:31 | <Samu> | nice it works now |
| 13:31 | <Samu> | yeah, it was the return thing |
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| 13:34 | <Wolf01> | Heh... getting roadtypes from a tile without road... like it should work as expected |
| 13:35 | <Wolf01> | Nice to know that MayHaveRoad(tile) works on a railway bridge |
| 13:35 | <LordAro> | Samu: huh |
| 13:36 | <Wolf01> | NP, that's intended, it's a bridge so it may have road... there's a missing check somewhere else |
| 13:37 | <LordAro> | Alberth: Samu: i have fixed the wiki :) |
| 13:37 | <@Alberth> | thanks! |
| 13:37 | * | LordAro looks again at Special:Version |
| 13:37 | * | LordAro becomes sad |
| 13:42 | <@Alberth> | reading the wiki too careful is depressing :p |
| 13:44 | <LordAro> | it's sooo old |
| 13:44 | <LordAro> | i want to fix it |
| 13:45 | <Samu> | naming your company? bah i am trying to make a GS :( |
| 13:45 | <Samu> | how do i transform this into a gs |
| 13:45 | <LordAro> | Samu: for once don't jump ahead 3 steps |
| 13:46 | <Samu> | i jumped one step |
| 13:46 | <Samu> | fine, i'll put a name in the company |
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| 13:49 | <LordAro> | Samu: also, be aware there's no real "how-to" guide for GS |
| 13:49 | <LordAro> | you'll have to work out how to do quite a lot of it yourself |
| 13:53 | <Wolf01> | andythenorth: I need NRT landscape internals, do you have some? |
| 13:54 | <Samu> | the index 'some_integer' does not exist :( |
| 13:54 | <Samu> | https://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Basics |
| 13:54 | <Samu> | i fail at basics it seems |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | Wolf01: not iirc |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | do we need to make docs also? |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | probly |
| 13:55 | <Wolf01> | Yes |
| 13:55 | <Wolf01> | I think bridges have strange m4 |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/wiki |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | is all I have |
| 13:55 | <andythenorth> | we need to edit the landscape grid then |
| 13:55 | <Wolf01> | Yes, it's the same that I have |
| 13:57 | <andythenorth> | k brb |
| 14:00 | <Samu> | int some_integer = 2; |
| 14:00 | <Samu> | why doesn't it work |
| 14:01 | <ST2> | use: local some_integer = 2; |
| 14:01 | <Samu> | local is for ints? |
| 14:01 | <Samu> | confused |
| 14:01 | <nielsm> | local is used for local variables |
| 14:01 | <LordAro> | Samu: local is for anything |
| 14:01 | <nielsm> | in squirrel, variables don't have types, values have types, and variables hold values |
| 14:02 | <nielsm> | any variable can hold any type of data |
| 14:02 | <LordAro> | squirrel is dynamically typed, so variables aren't "tied" to a particular type |
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| 14:03 | <LordAro> | quak |
| 14:03 | <Wolf01> | Quak |
| 14:03 | <Wolf01> | frosch123: bridges are burning |
| 14:03 | <frosch123> | hola |
| 14:04 | <frosch123> | raze them? |
| 14:04 | <Wolf01> | Yes, I was planning to remove tunnel/bridges from the game |
| 14:06 | <Wolf01> | I can't understand what rails are trying to put in m4 to make the RoadTypes funcitons to believe there's a road/tram on rail bridges |
| 14:07 | <Wolf01> | MakeBridgeHead puts 0 in M4 |
| 14:08 | <frosch123> | since when do we have level crossings on bridges? |
| 14:08 | <Wolf01> | That's a good question |
| 14:09 | <Samu> | i need to crash a vehicle |
| 14:09 | <Samu> | because the guide says so |
| 14:09 | <Wolf01> | We need also updated docs, I can't find anything related to NRT landscape internals on the links I saved |
| 14:14 | <Wolf01> | Ok, I think I fixed it: m4 should be initialized to INVALID_ROADTYPES not 0... 0 is ROAD |
| 14:14 | <Wolf01> | We have broken maps |
| 14:14 | <Wolf01> | Time to savegame bump XD |
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| 14:16 | <andythenorth> | :) |
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| 14:24 | <Wolf01> | Pushed a fix |
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| 14:53 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
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| 14:55 | <Wolf01> | Samu: now you should be happy: no more roads on rail bridges |
| 15:06 | <Samu> | :) |
| 15:11 | <Wolf01> | Also we should thank you as we don't have anymore rail crossings on bridges XD |
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| 15:15 | <andythenorth> | loss of a feature IMHO |
| 15:15 | <andythenorth> | crossings on bridge is nice |
| 15:16 | <Wolf01> | Yup adds realism, who don't builds a bridge to level cross a rail bridge? |
| 15:18 | <Wolf01> | BTW, I'm totally sure it was possible to run road vehicles on rail bridges |
| 15:22 | <andythenorth> | feature |
| 15:22 | <andythenorth> | child #1 keeps asking when we will put trains in roads |
| 15:23 | <andythenorth> | child #1 is actually pretty close to typical forum user I think |
| 15:23 | <andythenorth> | also he is sitting analysing the behaviour of all AIs |
| 15:23 | <Wolf01> | Answer: when we'll decide to add more bytes to the map array |
| 15:23 | <Wolf01> | Also needs revising the state machine |
| 15:25 | <Wolf01> | I have a pony too, and you will hate me for it... |
| 15:25 | <Wolf01> | One way tram tracks, only draws the tram track on one side |
| 15:26 | <Wolf01> | But it should be independent from the road's one way, so another bit |
| 15:26 | <Wolf01> | *2 bits |
| 15:31 | <andythenorth> | one way tram tracks? o_O |
| 15:32 | <Wolf01> | Yes |
| 15:32 | <andythenorth> | intended use? o_O |
| 15:32 | <Wolf01> | Make trams only go in one direction |
| 15:33 | <andythenorth> | I'm neutral on that as a feature |
| 15:33 | <andythenorth> | it probably has a use somewhere |
| 15:33 | <Wolf01> | It could work best if tram and roads will be set in opposite one way directions |
| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | so road has one way arrow, tram has just one track? |
| 15:34 | <Wolf01> | Yes |
| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | has to be drive-side aware |
| 15:48 | <Samu> | AILog.Info("We have a crashed vehicle (" + v + ") (" + c + ") (" + r + ")"); |
| 15:48 | <Samu> | We have a crashed vehicle (10) (34942) (1) |
| 15:48 | <Samu> | not what I expected |
| 15:49 | <Samu> | local v = ec.GetVehicleID(); local c = ec.GetCrashSite(); local r = ec.GetCrashReason(); |
| 15:50 | <Samu> | numbers! |
| 15:50 | <Samu> | the reason was because 1 |
| 15:50 | <Samu> | :( |
| 15:52 | <Samu> | enum CrashReason { CRASH_TRAIN, CRASH_RV_LEVEL_CROSSING, CRASH_RV_UFO, CRASH_PLANE_LANDING, CRASH_AIRCRAFT_NO_AIRPORT, CRASH_FLOODED } |
| 15:53 | <Samu> | why does it write 1 and not CRASH_RV_LEVEL_CROSSING? |
| 15:53 | <LordAro> | because enums are numbers |
| 15:53 | <LordAro> | just hidden |
| 15:53 | <Wolf01> | Mark enum as flag |
| 15:53 | <LordAro> | they (almost always) start at 0 |
| 15:53 | <Wolf01> | Or it works only on c# |
| 15:53 | <LordAro> | Wolf01: lol |
| 15:58 | <supermop_work_> | andythenorth: I want it for better looking end of line loops |
| 15:59 | <supermop_work_> | can live without it, but if wolf promulgates the pony I will second the motion |
| 16:01 | <Wolf01> | We vote, I won't decide for all |
| 16:01 | <Wolf01> | Also I should check the feasibility |
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| 16:12 | <supermop_work_> | not sure if voting makes sense |
| 16:13 | <supermop_work_> | seems committee decision by wolf andy (and frosch?) would be the way to go |
| 16:13 | <supermop_work_> | i haven't been writing code or spec so would be odd for me to vote |
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| 16:22 | <Samu> | I'm bored https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppl8yzr9f |
| 16:22 | <Samu> | is there a better way to code those events? :p |
| 16:23 | <LordAro> | unfortunately, no |
| 16:24 | <Samu> | gotta log them all! |
| 16:26 | <LordAro> | you can of course just have a default: case just to throw away all the ones you don't care about |
| 16:26 | <LordAro> | (or copy someone's existing one) |
| 16:26 | <Samu> | I care about everyone |
| 16:26 | <LordAro> | :p |
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| 16:35 | <Samu> | AIEventEnginePreview is interesting, let's seee |
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| 16:36 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 16:37 | <supermop_work_> | andythenorth: why is it so hard for some people to separate HAUL type from NRT? |
| 16:37 | <andythenorth> | NFI |
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| 16:41 | <andythenorth> | supermop_work_: specifically? o_O |
| 16:42 | <supermop_work_> | i feel like its a long running PR campaign in the thread to reassure people that no one is taking their HAUL away |
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| 16:43 | <andythenorth> | or there HEQS |
| 16:43 | <andythenorth> | their / there /s |
| 16:43 | <andythenorth> | it's non-paying-customer-support :) |
| 16:43 | <andythenorth> | I'm used to it, ish |
| 16:43 | <supermop_work_> | im just surprised that people already so strongly equate NRT with air-gapped haul networks |
| 16:43 | <supermop_work_> | no offense, but currently there are like only 3 haul trucks out in the wild |
| 16:44 | <supermop_work_> | update HEQS so they only run on type HEQS, which is not compatible with HAUL nor ROAD |
| 16:45 | <supermop_work_> | i just don't understand how people latched onto the concept so much already when it seems like the user base is still very low |
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| 16:47 | <Samu> | damn the way things are translated into text... |
| 16:47 | <andythenorth> | NRT Road Hog is not even on Bananas :P |
| 16:48 | <Samu> | https://imgur.com/kUXWjer |
| 16:48 | <Samu> | numbers!!! and a true |
| 16:48 | <supermop_work_> | andythenorth: exactly - |
| 16:48 | <Samu> | oh, i'm surprised it wrote the name of the aircraft |
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| 16:49 | <LordAro> | the vast majority of cases beyond debugging purposes never require a string version |
| 16:49 | <supermop_work_> | i think maybe the strong reactions are partly due to the unfamiliarity with it |
| 16:50 | <Samu> | i can't get the mail capacity of the aircraft, apparently |
| 16:50 | <Samu> | GetCargoType() |
| 16:50 | <Samu> | 0 |
| 16:50 | <Samu> | 0 means passengers ya? |
| 16:51 | <LordAro> | possible, what's the enum say? |
| 16:51 | <Samu> | what enum? |
| 16:52 | <Samu> | https://noai.openttd.org/docs/1.7.2/classAIEventEnginePreview.html |
| 16:52 | <Samu> | no enums |
| 16:52 | <supermop_work_> | this is kind of why i am reluctant to add HAUL support, because then i feel like people will complain that HAUL can't run on all roads, |
| 16:52 | <LordAro> | Samu: not there, but the function returns a CargoID |
| 16:52 | <LordAro> | look that up |
| 16:53 | <LordAro> | newgrf cargoes mean they're never constant, remember |
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| 16:56 | <Samu> | not sure where to look |
| 16:56 | <LordAro> | something that looks cargo related, probably ;) |
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| 17:03 | <Samu> | https://noai.openttd.org/docs/1.7.2/classAICargo.html |
| 17:03 | <Samu> | not sure what I'm looking for |
| 17:03 | <Samu> | wanna know if it's passengers |
| 17:04 | <Samu> | i assume it is |
| 17:04 | <Samu> | with a 5% chance it could be mail |
| 17:06 | <LordAro> | well you want something that takes the cargoid and turns it into a string |
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| 17:06 | <LordAro> | or at the very least, check it has the same effect that "passengers" do |
| 17:06 | <LordAro> | you're on the right page |
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| 17:10 | <Samu> | ok gonna log all answers from these functions |
| 17:12 | <Samu> | local c = AICargo.IsValidCargo(ct) |
| 17:12 | <Samu> | is this? |
| 17:13 | <Samu> | local ct = ec.GetCargoType() |
| 17:13 | <Samu> | local ec = AIEventEnginePreview.Convert(e) |
| 17:13 | <Samu> | whatever gonna try |
| 17:14 | <supermop_work_> | https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=201489 |
| 17:14 | <ST2> | Samu: with so many questions and so few reading, LordAro makes ~90 percent of the GS xD |
| 17:14 | <supermop_work_> | maybe town zones could be a bit differeny |
| 17:15 | <supermop_work_> | so you dont end up with a city with a 10 mile diameter CBD and then 3 blocks of suburbs at the edges |
| 17:15 | <LordAro> | ST2: i'm deliberately not giving any answers :p |
| 17:16 | <ST2> | that's ma boy ;) |
| 17:16 | <LordAro> | Samu: read the function definition a bit more closely |
| 17:16 | <LordAro> | it should become clearer |
| 17:16 | <LordAro> | ST2: lol |
| 17:17 | <ST2> | well, I look at many GS's and how functions were used and the API page |
| 17:17 | <LordAro> | that's basically how i wrote my AI, all those years ago |
| 17:17 | <ST2> | before trying to touch - and well, I didn't started on an easy place |
| 17:18 | <ST2> | my 1st try was with Aphid's CB GS, because wanted to put it on our servers, and our server controller needed to get info from there (we have goal servers) |
| 17:18 | <supermop_work_> | later |
| 17:25 | <ST2> | anyway, I already told Samu that studying other GS's - or even using them as base (some simple ones) and using GSCompany::GetQuarterlyCompanyValue |
| 17:25 | <ST2> | he would get a CV gamescript :) |
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| 17:25 | <Samu> | yeah i wanted to make a GS, but someone told me to make an AI instead |
| 17:26 | <ST2> | hehe |
| 17:26 | <ST2> | well, for GS: https://nogo.openttd.org/api/1.7.2/ |
| 17:26 | <ST2> | or even better: https://nogo.openttd.org/api/ |
| 17:26 | <ST2> | it can change |
| 17:27 | <ST2> | I appreciate all the work devs put on this, and I prefer to read and test that ask (example): I typed an A, what comes next? |
| 17:28 | <ST2> | if you hit a "brick" wall, ofc feel free to ask |
| 17:28 | <ST2> | anyway, that's my opinion :) |
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| 17:34 | <Samu> | PASS |
| 17:34 | <Samu> | now what was the question? |
| 17:35 | <Samu> | the second question |
| 17:35 | <Samu> | local cl = AICargo.GetCargoLabel(ct) |
| 17:36 | <Samu> | oki |
| 17:36 | <Samu> | https://imgur.com/kXoZuC4 |
| 17:36 | <Samu> | local c = AICargo.IsValidCargo(ct) local cl = AICargo.GetCargoLabel(ct) local f = AICargo.IsFreight(ct) local te = AICargo.GetTownEffect(ct) local dt = AICargo.GetDistributionType(ct) AILog.Info("Cargo: " + ct + " (" + c + ") (" + cl + ") (" + f + ") (" + te + ") (" + dt + ")") |
| 17:38 | <Samu> | TE_PASSENGERS, |
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| 17:39 | <LordAro> | Samu: you don't need to echo everything you write into this channel |
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| 18:08 | <Lemons> | helo |
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| 18:09 | <Lemons> | does anyone play 1.4.4 ... i would like to connect to others... |
| 18:09 | <Samu> | local am = ec.AcceptMerger() |
| 18:09 | <Lemons> | socily ; - ; |
| 18:09 | <Samu> | why did it just bought the company? :( |
| 18:10 | <Lemons> | nobody.... |
| 18:10 | <Samu> | we're on 1.7.2 |
| 18:10 | <ST2> | Lemons: any particular reason to play 1.4.4 and not 1.7.2? |
| 18:10 | <Lemons> | cuz im on a pi |
| 18:10 | <ST2> | oh |
| 18:10 | <Lemons> | thats my excuse |
| 18:10 | <LordAro> | also you waited 30s for a response |
| 18:10 | <ST2> | 1.7.2 won't run? |
| 18:11 | <Lemons> | uhm |
| 18:11 | <LordAro> | ST2: there won't be a precompiled version |
| 18:11 | <Lemons> | i have a crappy operating system that my dad made me gun |
| 18:11 | <Lemons> | run * |
| 18:11 | <Lemons> | idk if i can even get 1.7.2 on a pi |
| 18:11 | <LordAro> | hey now, no mean works about raspian |
| 18:11 | <LordAro> | words* |
| 18:12 | <Samu> | local am = ec.AcceptMerger() why did this accepted immediately? |
| 18:12 | <LordAro> | why wouldn't it? |
| 18:12 | <Samu> | i bought a company, while I was wondering if i could buy it |
| 18:13 | <Lemons> | idk if i can get a version for the pi |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | or the operating system i have atm |
| 18:14 | <LordAro> | Lemons: it's likely you'll have to compile it yourself |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | er the 1.7.2 version |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | sigh |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | welp.... |
| 18:14 | <LordAro> | Lemons: what OS do you have? |
| 18:14 | <ST2> | 1st: what OS on PI? |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | uhm |
| 18:14 | <Lemons> | idk |
| 18:14 | <ST2> | that ^^ |
| 18:15 | <Lemons> | pi 3 running Kano? |
| 18:15 | <ST2> | LordAro: take the wheel :) |
| 18:16 | <LordAro> | ST2: pfft, i'm googling just the same as you here :p |
| 18:16 | <LordAro> | looks raspian based though |
| 18:16 | <LordAro> | at least, the download link is "http://downloads.kano.me/public/Kanux-Beta-latest-jessie-release.img.zip" |
| 18:16 | <Lemons> | that i belive is what i have atm |
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| 18:16 | <LordAro> | Lemons: how familiar are you with the commandline? |
| 18:17 | <Lemons> | the wat |
| 18:17 | <ST2> | so, the "jessie" mention is that remotely based on debian? |
| 18:17 | <Lemons> | words ---> 0.0 ----> |
| 18:18 | <LordAro> | ST2: aye, debian jessie is debian 8, or the last stable version |
| 18:18 | <ST2> | so, that gives a start point |
| 18:18 | <LordAro> | Lemons: ok, i'm afraid you're probably going to struggle with compiling then |
| 18:18 | <Lemons> | ok |
| 18:19 | <LordAro> | looks like raspbian buster only has 1.7.1, so you'd be out of luck there as well, i'm afraid |
| 18:19 | <LordAro> | lemme see if i can find anything else |
| 18:20 | <Lemons> | thx for helping btw |
| 18:20 | <Lemons> | im kindof not verry experienced with this kind of stuff.... |
| 18:20 | <Lemons> | and neither is my typing... |
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| 18:21 | <LordAro> | is no problem |
| 18:22 | <ST2> | LordAro: Debian is now 9 (or was last time I checked) - we just didn't upgraded our servers because mono runs stuttering (we actually did on 1 machine - and made it back to 8 xD) |
| 18:22 | <LordAro> | ST2: yeah, buster, or 9 |
| 18:22 | <LordAro> | heh |
| 18:22 | <ST2> | :P |
| 18:22 | <ST2> | minors ^^ |
| 18:23 | <Lemons> | in openttd download stable there is somthing saying Linux Debian Jessie (x86_64, 64bit) |
| 18:24 | <LordAro> | Lemons: that won't work on a rasppi |
| 18:24 | <Lemons> | oh |
| 18:24 | <LordAro> | rasppi's use ARM architecture |
| 18:24 | <LordAro> | Lemons: assuming you want to go down this road, some searching has turned up a program installed by default on Kano called "linux story" |
| 18:25 | <LordAro> | this should teach you some terminal/commandline basics |
| 18:25 | <Lemons> | yes |
| 18:25 | <ST2> | does this instructions would help? https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_(GNU/)Linux_and_*BSD#Manually |
| 18:25 | <ST2> | even on ARM? |
| 18:25 | <LordAro> | ST2: that'll do it, but given "words ---> 0.0 ---->" .... |
| 18:26 | <ST2> | and ofc, getting the sources, etc etc |
| 18:26 | <Lemons> | im basicly saying i dont realy understand much tech stuff... |
| 18:27 | <LordAro> | that's fine, everyone has to start from nothing at some point :) |
| 18:27 | <ST2> | welcome to the club ^^ |
| 18:27 | <LordAro> | rasppi is generally an excellent place to start |
| 18:28 | <Lemons> | im looking for the linux story |
| 18:30 | <ST2> | to read later but, when getting sources, for 1.7.2, use: svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/1.7.2 |
| 18:30 | <LordAro> | ST2: nah, download from the website |
| 18:30 | <ST2> | other option too |
| 18:30 | <LordAro> | easier than teaching about VCSs :p |
| 18:30 | <Lemons> | any chance its called Terminal Quest? |
| 18:31 | <LordAro> | Lemons: that'll be it |
| 18:31 | <Lemons> | mk |
| 18:31 | <Lemons> | mk |
| 18:31 | <Lemons> | well i guess ill do that |
| 18:31 | <Lemons> | brb in probably 10 - 20 min |
| 18:33 | <LordAro> | i'll likely be asleep by then |
| 18:34 | <ST2> | I'll be awake, but probably my directions he'll install PH-VR :P |
| 18:34 | <LordAro> | ono |
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| 18:37 | <Lemons> | allmost done... |
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| 18:46 | <supermop> | @logs |
| 18:46 | <@DorpsGek> | supermop: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd |
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| 19:00 | <Samu> | some of these events are misleading |
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| 19:00 | <Samu> | ET_STATION_FIRST_VEHICLE |
| 19:00 | <Samu> | i thought it was of any company, it's only of my company |
| 19:02 | <LordAro> | Samu: well you don't get notifications of first vehicles at other people's companies |
| 19:02 | <LordAro> | AIs (try to) have exactly the same amount of knowledge as human players do |
| 19:02 | <Samu> | we do |
| 19:03 | <LordAro> | hrm |
| 19:03 | <Samu> | unless i'm missing something ... |
| 19:03 | <LordAro> | maybe we do |
| 19:03 | <LordAro> | it's been a while |
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| 19:03 | <Samu> | gui settings? |
| 19:03 | <Samu> | the AI chosen not to receive those news? |
| 19:09 | <Flygon> | Are town 'root' tiles attached to the z axis? |
| 19:09 | <Flygon> | Or the x and y one only? |
| 19:12 | <Samu> | wtf i found a bug |
| 19:12 | <Samu> | a zeppelin crashed on myai airport |
| 19:13 | <Samu> | and the aircraft could still land on it |
| 19:13 | <LordAro> | zeppelins are helicopters, aren't they? |
| 19:13 | <LordAro> | don't think they stop the runway from being usable |
| 19:13 | <Samu> | they're a disaster zepelin |
| 19:13 | <LordAro> | oh, those |
| 19:14 | <Samu> | disasters behave different for AIs? |
| 19:14 | <LordAro> | i'd be extremely surprised |
| 19:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Flygon: there is no z axis |
| 19:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Flygon: the town has an X/Y coordinate, the Z coordinate is read from that tile for the purpose of drawing the town name |
| 19:25 | <Samu> | case MP_RAILWAY: if (Company::IsHumanID(GetTileOwner(tile)) |
| 19:25 | <Samu> | that is so lame |
| 19:25 | <Samu> | AI railways are not destroyed by ufo disasters |
| 19:27 | <LordAro> | Samu: there are a certain number of things like that, just because it's excessively difficult for AIs to detect (and fix) such things |
| 19:28 | <Flygon> | Eddi|zuHause: Thanks. |
| 19:29 | <Flygon> | The town 'name' didn't elevate when I raised its tile, that is all. |
| 19:29 | <Flygon> | Hence my confusion. |
| 19:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | did you change all 4 corners of the tile? |
| 19:30 | <Flygon> | ... |
| 19:30 | <Flygon> | Come to think of it, no. |
| 19:30 | <Flygon> | I only raised three corners . |
| 19:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so i just tried, the name doesn't move on terraforming |
| 19:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but if you then destroy a house, it moves when it draws the new town population |
| 19:32 | <Flygon> | Huh. |
| 19:32 | <Flygon> | Alright. |
| 19:32 | <Flygon> | Thanks. :3 |
| 19:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so likely the height is cached somewhere |
| 19:33 | <Samu> | i got a zeppeliner crashing again, this time the aircraft could not land |
| 19:34 | <Samu> | wondering if the aircraft was at the airport the first time it happened |
| 19:37 | <Samu> | hmm nop |
| 19:37 | <Samu> | must be a very rare situation when the zeppelin crashes at the same time an aircraft is taking off |
| 19:37 | <Samu> | zeppelin sets the block |
| 19:38 | <Samu> | aircraft taking off sets it off |
| 19:38 | <Samu> | so when it comes to land again it will land even with zeppelin debris there, i think |
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| 19:49 | <supermop> | maybe zepplin disaster should have to wait in holding pattern? |
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| 19:54 | <supermop> | need better names for industrial trams |
| 20:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | supermop: the disaster zeppelin cannot do a holding pattern, because it doesn't have rotational views |
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| 21:05 | <supermop> | Eddi|zuHause: whats an old timey german nomenclature for machine models |
| 21:06 | <supermop> | like 'type 24' or 'model B' |
| 21:06 | <supermop> | something that a german works might name a machine in the 1800s |
| 21:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what kind of machine? |
| 21:08 | <supermop> | in this case a steam dummy |
| 21:08 | <supermop> | tramway locomotive |
| 21:09 | <supermop> | could be a number , or a name that sounds like something a new company might name their first engine |
| 21:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so early steam engines just got names like "Adler" and "Saxonia", that carried on till the 1870s |
| 21:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | then the various railway companies started having model series |
| 21:10 | <supermop> | so a person or place for the earliest, and then a number in the 1890s ish? |
| 21:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which usually involved a letter and one or two numbers |
| 21:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so the letter was something like "S", "G", "P", "T" denoting the usage of the engine |
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| 21:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and the number was either some power stat or just the number of axles |
| 21:11 | <supermop> | were there many tramway locomotives in germany? |
| 21:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i don't know much about tramway locomotives |
| 21:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but, like trams now, they probably just enumerated them |
| 21:13 | <supermop> | probably overthinking it with two fake german brands |
| 21:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | most trams were either horses or electric |
| 21:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | steam trams were mostly just regular steam engines with some casing around it |
| 21:14 | <supermop> | these i am naming are basically that, small locomotives pulling wagons around harbors |
| 21:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you might call them "T1" and "T2" or something |
| 21:19 | <supermop> | 'vogel' sounds dumb for such a slow vehicle |
| 21:24 | <supermop> | does 'Anfang' sound dumber for the first one? |
| 21:36 | <supermop> | also as a matter of describing the vehicles to players, 'tramway train' sounds stupid |
| 21:36 | <supermop> | 'boxcar tram' also |
| 21:37 | <supermop> | 'tramway motor with boxcar train' much too verbose |
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