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04:26<vasatko>HI, i try again ask, if someone works with m4nfo (bridges)?
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05:53<mczapkie>Hello, anyone know how to init repository on ?
05:54<mczapkie>it should appear automatically after project creation, but it does not exists:
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06:52<Samu>I need util.superlib with version 19
06:52<Samu>it's not on bananas
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07:23<LordAro>Samu: choose a different version
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07:49<Samu>nevermind, gonna try do something else
08:08<Samu>can't make a goal damn it
08:18<Flygon> So who's gonna make the NewGRF?
08:19<Samu>how do i clear all goals?
08:20<Samu>when i load savegame, i get duplicated goals
08:20<Samu>so i wanna start fresh
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08:47<Samu>how do GoalIDs work? any hint?
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09:40<Samu>i fail at strings
09:40<Samu>how do i make this
09:41<Samu>ii got a string with two parameters or values, or whatever
09:41<Samu>but i can't make the text show up there
09:41<Samu>only the currencty
09:43<Samu>GSGoal.New(cid, string, GSGoal.GT_COMPANY, cid)
09:43<Samu>local string = GSText(GSText.STR_GOAL_VALUE, c_name, cv)
09:43<Samu>local c_name = GSCompany.GetName(cid)
09:43<Samu>local cv = GSCompany.GetQuarterlyCompanyValue(cid, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER)
09:44<Samu>all it prints is £1
09:44<Samu>company name isn't there
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09:51<Samu>whos a string master?
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10:01<Samu>nooo dont leave me alone :(
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10:03<ST2>use {COMPANY}
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10:05<Samu>ok let me try
10:08<LordAro>Samu: some of us have jobs to do :p
10:09<ST2>I'm actually @ work ^^
10:09<LordAro>i'm afraid i don't have much of an idea about the string system, it's not available for AIs
10:09<Samu>nop, can't make it work
10:10<ST2>you need to send company id to {COMPANY}
10:10<Samu>i have an idea, maybe
10:10<Samu>local c_name = GSText(GSCompany.GetName(cid))
10:10<Samu>let's see
10:11<Samu>bah, first argument must be a valid stringid
10:12<Samu>gonna try your way
10:14<Samu>yeah it works
10:14<ST2>wasy peasy :P
10:14<Samu>local string = GSText(GSText.STR_GOAL_VALUE, cid, cv)
10:16<ST2>Samu: you type all your steps here, with some copy/paste I think I can fully replicate it xD
10:17<LordAro>Samu likes to echo everything into here
10:17<LordAro>despite our protests
10:17<Samu>ok, i got problem
10:17<Samu>it keeps on repeating because ... yeah i dunno
10:18<LordAro>you should probably investigate that
10:20<Samu>the more i look at divnut the more i get confused
10:21<ST2>because that's one that covers a bunch of other settings
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10:57<Samu>i can't make thi
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10:58<Samu>goalcid0 does not exist
10:58<LordAro>Samu: scope levela
10:59<LordAro>also, learn arrays
11:01<Samu>if I use SetText, i don't get anything happening
11:01<Samu>or actually, i get goalcid0 not existing
11:01<Samu>if I use New, it keeps repeating the same goal
11:02<Samu>non stop
11:02<LordAro>Samu: stop, and look up how scopes work
11:02<LordAro>this isn't new
11:03<LordAro>and please use arrays instead of duplicating code over and over
11:05<Samu>how do i know if a goal already exists
11:06<Samu>i don't know what's a scope
11:06<LordAro>and you definitely do
11:07<LordAro>even if you don't know the name
11:13<Samu>screw the scope
11:13<Samu>wanna try make an array first
11:14<LordAro>scope is a pretty important, and fundamental, bit of programming
11:14<LordAro>learn it.
11:19<Samu>squirrel doesn't have arrays
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11:21<Samu>i give up, this kind of guides don't help at all
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11:27<supermop_work_>i find i don't really have patience to work for an employer who won't pay for software
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11:59<Samu>there is no way to follow the code, i don't know what it is doing
11:59<Samu>like in visual studio
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12:04<@Alberth>Samu: unless you want to build a C extension to Squirrel that reference page is not needed
12:07<@Alberth>besides, it's Squirrel 3.1, you need Squirrel 2
12:08<@Alberth> <-- array
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12:28<Samu>what am i doing wrong
12:30<nielsm>in defense of Samu, the squirrel-lang documentation is not that well written and seems to skip over a bunch of important details; the styling of it doesn't help readability either
12:30<nielsm>(I'm comparing to the Lua documentation which I've used a lot myself, and find generally well-written and comprehensive)
12:31<nielsm>Samu I don't think you should actually be using an array there, a table might be a better choice
12:32<nielsm>apart from that, you're making a length 1 array, where the only valid index is 0, but then filling values in all kinds of index values
12:32<nielsm>try making a table instead:
12:32<nielsm>local goalcid = {}
12:32<nielsm>and then insert into new slots in the table:
12:32<nielsm>goalcid[cid] <- GSGoal.New(...)
12:33<nielsm>(the <- operator becomes important here, the difference between it and = for assignment is that = will throw an error if the index/slot you're inserting into doesn't already exist, but using <- will create the slot for you if it doesn't exist)
12:35<nielsm>on the other hand, if you know the largest cid value you will be using (I guess GSCompany.COMPANY_LAST is it) you could declare goalcid to be an array of that length
12:35<nielsm>like: local goalcid = array(GSCompany.COMPANY_LAST)
12:36<nielsm>(the array() function creates an array with the length you give it)
12:36<nielsm>bbl, laundry
12:38<@Alberth>still can't read openttdcoop pastes due to expired license
12:46<Samu>Company Goal is still - None - "
12:47<Samu>how do i create a goal for all companies on startup?
12:47<Samu>do they have to exist?
12:48<Samu>what if they don't exist yet?
12:49<nielsm>sounds likely
12:49<Samu>do i have to resort on capturing events?
12:49<Samu>that sucks
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12:54<LordAro>AIs and such like are usually event driven
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13:06<Wolf01>So, what needs to be fixed?
13:09<andythenorth>I am a bit ill
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13:10<Wolf01>I could give you a virtual cookie
13:11<Samu>are company goals removed automatically when a company bankrupts? or do i have to go there remove its goal?
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13:26<Samu>is there a better way to remove all goals on load?
13:31<Samu>how do I know which goalids exist when i load a savegame?
13:32<Samu>i wanted to get a list
13:32<Samu>actually I dunno what I want
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27968 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2018-02-07 19:45:38 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean: 1 change by telk5093
13:49<supermop_work_>andythenorth: pho
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13:51<andythenorth>I had katsu lunch
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14:13<Wolf01> LordAro
14:16<LordAro>Wolf01: already watched ^^
14:16<Wolf01>I'm going to change my pants
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14:18<nielsm>is there any kind of tool to help remove strings from the translation source files when you've changed something about the english master translation that invalidates everything else?
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14:22<@Alberth>sed ?
14:22<nielsm>well sure I could construct my own
14:23<@Alberth>for newgrf and gamescripts, the translation service?
14:23<nielsm>I'm toying around with a core game patch where I've had to change a bunch of strings
14:23<@Alberth>sed is a standard tool for programmatically editing a file :)
14:24<@Alberth>ok, just make new strings instead?
14:24<nielsm>probably the more correct course of action
14:25<Samu>almost decent
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14:28<stefino>Hello all. Do youmeone use MUSA for uploading big files to bananas? I download it but have no idea how does it work. I only saw that I have to make some file, where I write all information about uploaded file, I have to set a path to this file -somewhere- but thats all. Thanks a lot :)
14:30<@Alberth>version line looks like it is fixed by the makefile
14:30<@Alberth>you may want to add an actual version number there
14:31<stefino>ahh yes, this is the fil what I meant :)
14:31<@Alberth>type is obviously wrong
14:32<stefino>and after I write this what I have to do after?
14:33<@Alberth>where line 68 seems to do the version magic
14:34<@Alberth>it seems to run the file
14:34<@Alberth>you could try --help
14:35<@Alberth>likely it gives some online help and options
14:36<stefino>ok, ill try it :)
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14:43<stefino>seems like mission impossible for me :/
14:49<@Alberth>run != double click file :)
14:50<@Alberth>it's a command-line tool, open a window, and start it with something like "python --help"
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14:54<stefino>yes I have open command line and have open python musa help
14:56<@Alberth>Adding -d seems useful until you got everything right
14:57<@Alberth>and -c yourcfg.ini is likely useful too
14:58<stefino>so the first of all I have to write this .ini file and put it into MUSA folder wit grf what I want to upload? and after this I can test with musa -d if all is ok
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15:01<@Alberth>not sure where it starts searching, best is to "cd" to that grf directory and do everything there
15:02<@Alberth>but basically, yes, you should first make an ini file
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15:16<stefino>yes, i'll go to write ini :)
15:25<stefino>What I have to change in "makefile"?
15:25<@Alberth>nothing, you don't need it
15:25<@Alberth>it's a tool to automate running programs
15:26<stefino>ok ok , so I need only ini and description.txt
15:26<@Alberth>"make" is a tool to automate running programs, and make uses Makefile to figure out what to do
15:27<@Alberth>I store all stuff that I must run into a makefile or a shell script, so I don't have to remember how to call some $random program like musa
15:27<@Alberth>which I haven't used for several years :)
15:28<@Alberth>if you think you're complete, have a test run by adding the -d
15:33<Samu>who can teach me save/load ?
15:34<stefino>Alberth: mm have to pass configuration file
15:35<@Alberth>there was an option for that iirc
15:36<@Alberth>yep -c mybeautifulconfigurationfile.ini
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15:37<stefino>ahh, ini again ok
15:37<@Alberth>or whatever your extension
15:37<@Alberth>musa doesn't care, it's just that the file format is known as INI file
15:38<@Alberth>but even that is not very fixed, people also use CFG for it :)
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15:39<@Alberth>Samu: find a an AI that loads and saves?
15:39<@Alberth>busy-bee also loads and saves, but I forgot how it worked
15:42<stefino>and what I have to write into config file?
15:45<Samu>ok, gonna get busybe
15:46<Samu>i managed to save a tick counter!, not what I wanted though
15:46<Samu>but it's something
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15:52<frosch123>stefino: there is only one ini file
15:53<frosch123>the ini file is the config file
15:54<stefino>frosch123: yes but what means error: you have to pass a configuration file
15:55<stefino>and I have to write username, password somwhere or not?
15:56<frosch123>you will be asked those
15:56<frosch123>you do not put them into the ini file
15:56<frosch123>the ini file is supposed to be reused for every upload, so it is usually part of the sources
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15:57<frosch123>and you do not give others your password :)
15:57<frosch123>but you can put multiple usernames into the ini file to make the grf shared, and allow each of them to update it
15:57<frosch123>but well, that's all written in the ini example
16:01<stefino>ok I maybe understand what I have to do but the next error - cant read configuration file
16:02<stefino>my bad
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16:07<stefino>File contains no section headres. file: bananas:ini line 1. 'type = NewGRF\n'
16:07<frosch123> <- you need to stick to the syntax
16:08<frosch123>all lines but those with # are important
16:08<frosch123>section headers are those with [ ]
16:08<stefino>oh ok
16:10<stefino>ini file looks ok now
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16:11<stefino>no ['.grf'] file :D my god
16:12<stefino>it is world championship in errors
16:12<Brainjammed>good evening ( in my country at least)
16:12<Brainjammed>i have a question regarding gameplay
16:13<stefino>a wrote musa -c bananas.ini and gives me that note
16:13<Brainjammed>i remember in the times of the original ttd it was possible to copy order list between two vehicles of the same kind
16:13<Brainjammed>but i do not remember how I did that
16:14<frosch123>stefino: what did --help tell you?
16:16<stefino>that I am only graphics developer, not programmer :D
16:18<frosch123>python -d -c yourconfig.ini -u youruser yourgrf.grf yourreadme.txt yourlicenceifyoudonotuseoneofthedefaults.txt
16:18<frosch123>are there more files to add? i can't remember
16:19<frosch123>ah, changelog.txt is the third option
16:20<stefino>ok ok
16:25<stefino>okay it works, loaded and write error with any kind of socket acces
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16:26<stefino>socekt.error: Errno 10013
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16:29<frosch123>internet says that's your firewall
16:31<stefino>I need to switch off firewaal during uploading?
16:32<frosch123>no idea, last time i used windows (10 years ago), it had no such things
16:33<__ln__>you must have used windows 95 or something
16:33<frosch123>it probably thinks musa is stealing your banking credentials
16:34<+glx>usually windows firewall pops a window asking you what to do
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16:37<stefino>i switched it off and the next error 10054 - connestion will be canceled by distant host
16:38<stefino>connection was....not will
16:38<nielsm>that's the error usually known as "connection reset by peer"
16:38<nielsm>which can mean almost anything
16:43<Samu>cannot iterate null
16:43<Samu>bah... i fail
16:44<Samu>busybee code is easier to follow, and yet quite complex
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16:49<stefino>still doesnt work but thanks a lot for help :)
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