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05:22<LordAro>what a nice person
05:27<Flygon>I don't have a monospace font. Thank fuck.
05:27<Flygon>I can't believe he's persisting.
05:27<Flygon>He's pissed off almost every single IRC network staff ever.
05:28<Flygon>He's already been Dox'd.
05:30<Eddi|zuHause>i have a monospace font, but it's all broken because of linebreaks inbetween
05:33<__ln__>it looks fine when the terminal window is large enough
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07:22<Samu>what's the maximum value of a int
07:26<Samu>two billion, one hundred and forty-seven million, four hundred and eighty-three thousand, six hundred and forty-seven
07:30<Samu>found a bug in openttd, it doesn't let me enter a custom value higher than 999999999
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07:31<Samu>i was trying to enter 2147483647
07:32<__ln__>the maximum value of int is INT_MAX
07:35<Samu>i mean here:
07:35<Samu>999 999 999
07:35<Samu>it accepts int, 2 147 483 647
07:36<Samu>but im limited to 999 999 999 :(
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07:36<__ln__>int can be smaller
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07:37<vasatko>Hi, pls I need help with sprites. I need add custom sprites, bud i dont know free sprites numbers (i cant find sprites table etc.).
07:37<__ln__>besides, limiting to 2 147 483 647 would be much more difficult in the UI
07:39<Samu>hmm i need to check company values of those difficult servers, i hear about 15 billions in some, hmm how am i gonna let it accept 15 billion :(
07:39<@planetmaker>vasatko, that's a bit too general a question. Depending on what you want to modify... you then don't even need any sprite number
07:39<@planetmaker>hi also :)
07:40<__ln__>hi pm
07:40<vasatko>planetmarker: we rewriting bridges. But we need other front sprites for road and rails (then i need add new sprites for road front)
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08:00<Samu>1 000 000 000 000
08:00<Samu>1000 Billion
08:01<Samu>1 thousand billion £
08:01<Samu>actually 999
08:01<Samu>but it rounds up
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08:13<@peter1138>1 billion in old-money.
08:13<@peter1138>It was only US who came along and decided that 1 billion should be 1,000,000,000.
08:14<LordAro>peter1138: think it was the french, actually
08:14<LordAro>regardless, next to no one uses "long scale" anymore
08:14<__ln__>i guess we can safely blame canada
08:15<@peter1138>1 milliard is 1,000,000,000.
08:15<Eddi|zuHause>everyone around here uses "long scale"
08:16<Samu>this solved my problemo
08:16<Samu>local goal = GSController.GetSetting("value") * 1000;
08:16<Samu>the magic * 1000
08:16<Samu>now when i set 999 999 999, it's actually 999 999 999 000 pounds
08:17<__ln__>that's heavy
08:18<Samu>2 147 483 647 was only 2 Billion something, and some servers had values of 20 B
08:18<Samu>999 Billion ought to be enough
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08:29<Sacro>Just a boolean, hasMoney
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09:18<supermop_work_>i think 999 Billion might be enough for me to afford to keep living in NYC
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09:35<Samu>with inflation, i dunno
09:39<Eddi|zuHause>now try switching the currency to something other than £
09:43<Samu>lol, scary
09:46<Samu>@calc 999999999 * 65535 * 1000
09:46<@DorpsGek>Samu: 65534999934465000
09:47<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: £ is the one true currancy
09:47<Samu>65 534 999 934 465 000 credits
09:50<Samu>@calc 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
09:50<@DorpsGek>Samu: 18446744073709551616
09:51<Samu>@calc 65534999934465000 - 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
09:51<@DorpsGek>Samu: -18381209073775087616
09:51<Samu>@calc 65534999934465000 - 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
09:51<@DorpsGek>Samu: -340282366920938463463374607431768211456
09:51<Samu>@calc 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF - 999999999 * 65535 * 1000
09:51<@DorpsGek>Samu: 18381209073775087616
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09:52<Samu>18 381 209 073 775 087 616
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10:25<nielsm>reading - am I understanding it right, that another way to formulate it would be that in 256 ticks, a vehicle moves its kmish/h speed number of sub locations?
10:30<nielsm>my goal is a formula for, given a vehicle moving at X speed for Y ticks, what distance has it covered
10:30<nielsm>(or maybe call them S and T)
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11:19<supermop_work_>hi andy
11:19<supermop_work_>exotic use case for NO_JUNCTIONS:
11:20<supermop_work_>monorail: cheap concrete ALWEG beam, no junctions
11:20<supermop_work_>expensive bendy steel bits: junctions
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11:38<Samu>i have a question issue
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11:38<Samu>how do I know if a question is still up in the air?
11:38<Samu>i mean, this
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11:39<Samu>I made a question to each company GSGoal.Question(etc...)
11:40<Samu>and now after some goal completion, the question no longer makes sense and I wanna close them all
11:40<Samu>how do I check if the question is still up?
11:40<Samu>i don't wanna keep closing it forever
11:41<Samu>it's inside a while loop
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11:42<nielsm>I think you'd have to keep track of it yourself
11:43<nielsm>when a company answers the question you get an event, so when you get that event you set a flag somewhere that it's been answered, and keep track of it that way
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11:46<Samu>hmm i was looking for a IsValidQuestionID kind of function
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11:52<Samu>ok, i dont have an elegant way to keep track of it atm
11:52<Samu>this will do though
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12:28<Samu>hmm, i got a problem with unpausing the game in multiplayer ...
12:29<Samu>how do i detect a client joining the game?
12:29<Samu>need to ask him to unpause the game
12:29<Samu>or else, only the players that were in the game when the question was made can unpause
12:31<Samu>goal is reached, script pauses the game and asks a question to all companies about continuing (unpausing) the game
12:31<Samu>what if the company is empty
12:31<Samu>what if all companies are empty
12:31<Samu>no one will be able to answer :(
12:31<Samu>what can I do?
12:35<nielsm>I _think_ there is supposed to be a list or bitfield of current pause reasons, where "new client joining" is one of them
12:35<nielsm>I don't know if it's readable by gamescripts
12:38<Samu>ST2: HALP
12:40<Samu>so the game is doomed... /foreverpaused
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12:54<Samu>what is this used for
12:56<nielsm>server administrator sending custom commands to your gs
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13:00<Samu>TrueBrain: hi
13:01<Samu>can i have clients unpause the game which was paused by a GS?
13:01<Samu>what's a JSON
13:02<nielsm>JSON is a data format
13:03<Samu>i'm not sure how to send an Admin Port command either
13:09<frosch123>it was designed by someone named jason
13:11<Samu>On the AdminPort you send a JSON string
13:11<Samu>what ? explain me how to do this
13:12<Eddi|zuHause>that totally makes sense
13:13<Samu>i wanna trigger the GS to get an Admin Port command that eventually will unpause the game
13:14<Samu> - 'on_server_connect.scr' is executed on the server when a client has joined (MOTD)
13:14<Samu>I wanna send the command there
13:14<Samu>or trigger it from there
13:14<nielsm>the admin port is not something the gamescript (or even game) sends to itself
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13:15<nielsm>it's a way for external programs to talk to the game script
13:15<nielsm>as far as I can tell
13:16<Samu>uhm.. so it can't be done in this way? :(
13:17<nielsm>have you tested that this is actually a problem, first of all?
13:17<nielsm>that the game stays paused forever if you pause it from your GS, and then a new client connects, or disconnects, or something like that, while it's paused
13:18<nielsm>because you're expecting answers to a question from everyone, and the definition of "everyone" has changed?
13:19<Samu>the question was sent to a company
13:19<Samu>or actually, to all companies
13:20<Samu>everyone in this case, the first company that clicks the continue button will unpause the game
13:20<Samu>the message with the continue button only popups to the clients of that company, if they happen to be in the game the moment the question is asked
13:21<Samu>if they're not
13:21<Samu>if they join after that, no more popups
13:21<Samu>no continue button to click
13:21<nielsm>you could send the question again when a new client connects?
13:21<Samu>that's what i was trying to do
13:23<Samu>i don't know how to detect a client joining a company
13:25<Samu>if a company is created, i suppose I can send the question to it
13:25<Samu>but if a company already exists and someone joins it, no popup
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13:37<frosch123>@kick T4XV8Tquebec
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13:38<nielsm>oh cool, an ipv6 address?
13:39<LordAro>not that uncommon
13:40<LordAro>about 10% these days
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13:41<nielsm>hah, every isp in denmark is like "ipv6 has no future, we won't bother supporting it"
13:41<frosch123>@mode +R
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13:41<LordAro>nielsm: i'd be very surprised if that was their actual attitude
13:41<LordAro>cost and effort of deployment are the usual reasons
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13:54<Wolf01>Does andythenorth have something for Wolf01?
13:56<andythenorth>yesterday I mostly had weird fever
13:56<andythenorth>NRT is done, now, right? :)
13:56<andythenorth>apart from bugs
13:56<andythenorth>and NRT 2
13:57<andythenorth>oh we need landscrape grid docs
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14:07<Samu>part of the problem is semi-solved
14:08<Samu>on creating a new company, the question is re-asked to it
14:08<Samu>on rejoining an existant company, however...
14:08<Samu>it's not re-asked
14:09<Samu>what can I do :(
14:10<Samu>keep on asking until it's answered?
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14:10<Samu>Wolf01: Wormnest , do you GS?
14:11<Wormnest>Nope, don´t even have enough time for my ai´s
14:14<Samu>gonna spam the question!!!
14:14<LordAro>Samu: don't be an idiot
14:14<LordAro>forums are perfectly valid
14:14<ST2>I would start checking available events:
14:15<Samu>uh, the question I'm talking about is GSGoal.Question
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14:16<LordAro>Samu: maybe you should work out what the actual question is then
14:17<Samu>STR_GOAL_REACHED : {YELLOW}{COMPANY}{ORANGE} (Company {NUM}) was the first company to reach a company value of {YELLOW}{CURRENCY_SHORT}{ORANGE}. {}{}Game is now paused. {}{}Press {YELLOW}Continue{ORANGE} to resume game.
14:17<Samu>this.goal_question = GSGoal.Question(15, GSCompany.COMPANY_INVALID, GSText(GSText.STR_GOAL_REACHED, this.goal_company.cid, this.goal_company.c_num, this.goal_company.goal), GSGoal.QT_INFORMATION, GSGoal.BUTTON_CONTINUE);
14:18<Samu>tried to spam the question to all companies
14:18<ST2>Samu: as LordAro said, forum are, probably, a way to get a valid answer - spamming won't help you
14:19<Samu>i mean in code
14:20<LordAro>Samu: that's not a question
14:20<LordAro>try again
14:20<LordAro>with more forum post
14:21<LordAro>and less dumping code straight into irc
14:21<ST2>and, imo, there's several other GS's from where you can get ideas (or how it works) and apply into yours :)
14:22<LordAro>if you work out what the question is, you might just work out what the asnwer is before you have to ask it
14:22<ST2>read is the key ^^
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15:04<Samu> - client was spectator, then joined company 1 but didn't receive the question
15:08<Samu>whatever, i'm gonna post it in the forum as you asked
15:18<V453000>hello gentlemen
15:20<frosch123>f booth next to anime booth :p
15:24<Samu>there u go
15:24<Samu>halp me noe!
15:26<Wolf01>Samu: you are starting to be annoying, just a bit
15:27<Samu>sorry, was trying to be funny
15:27<Samu>my bad
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16:53<Exec>How can be the max tunnel length changed on network games?
16:56<Samu>listsettings tunnel
17:07<ccfreak2k>What's new and exciting in the world of openttd?
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>what's new i don't know, but exciting is whether there will actually be a release in april
17:11<ST2>Eddi|zuHause spreading the hype xD
17:14<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i should have put some progress indicator into my os.walk() loop
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17:16<Exec>Samu: the setting name was already found
17:17<Exec>the problem is "This command/variable is not available during network games."
17:17<Eddi|zuHause>Exec: well, stop the server, load the game in SP, change it there, start the server again with the new savegame
17:18<Exec>Oh, that's it?
17:19<Samu>can't be changed during a network game? i thought it could be by the host
17:20<Samu>yeah, can't be, just tried it myself too :(
17:20<Exec>hmm, thanks
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