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07:44<Wolf01>Moin
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08:20<Andy1314>Guys, I've got an scenario that I'm in 2162 but all the industries have disappeared...Is there a console command that will start spawning new ones?
08:20<Andy1314>*all the industries not including the ones I already have transport links for
08:20<Wolf01>Fund new ones
08:22<Andy1314>hmm, its a map of the UK and a bit of Europe but I'm staying in Scotland (lol) so prospecting just leads to industries that are on the other side of the map
08:25<Andy1314>It's a rather large map so even prospecting a 100 farms ... actually that might work but not very elegant
08:26<Andy1314>no console commands to spawn new industries?
08:27<Wolf01>I've never heard of some which might work as you want, maybe there's one which allows to prospect
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08:45<Samu>dodododo
09:01<Flygon><Andy1314> Guys, I've got an scenario that I'm in 2162 but all the industries have disappeared...Is there a console command that will start spawning new ones?
09:01<Flygon>Oh man I read that as 2612
09:01<Flygon>and then i was thinking "wait YM2612"?
09:01<Flygon>Then I checked the channel name then read the year correctly. :V
09:03<@peter1138>Synthhead
09:03<@peter1138>(Sorry, I had to look it up)
09:06<Flygon>peter1138: THXhead :3
09:07<@peter1138>;)
09:07<@peter1138>I've never watched it, of course.
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09:10<supermop_work>YO
09:13<Samu>hi
09:20<Samu>what do you think of a vehicle disaster of the kind "explode of old age"?
09:20<Wolf01>No
09:21<Samu>ok :(
09:21<supermop_work>why would it explode?
09:22<Samu>because it's past it's max age
09:23<Wolf01>If you make vehicles just stop and rust down in the middle of the road, blocking all the vehicles behind it, I might give a vote, but exploding doesn't make sense at all
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09:25<Samu>uhm, no deal then
09:25<Samu>i really want the vehicles to "disappear", could be an explosion or something else
09:27<Samu>want to clean up servers that use breakdowns
09:28<Samu>unmaintained companies would have these old age vehicles removed "accidentaly"
09:30<Samu>because a server with no breakdowns is no fun
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09:30<Samu>but also no fun to watch vehicles breaking down all the time
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09:34<Wolf01>So you want to punish people which use breakdowns because you just don't like it?
09:35<Samu>i want to clean up unmaintained companies
09:35<__ln__>Wolf01: i don't think you can use 'which' with 'people'.
09:35<Samu>but yes, that's the point
09:36<Wolf01>__ln__: Aren't people a thing? :P:P:P
09:37<Samu>i don't like the autoclean approach
09:38<Samu>it's all or nothing approach :(
09:39<Wolf01>So better make vehicles disappear randomly and just wait for the company to declare bankrupt even if the old vehicles were still profitable?
09:40<Samu>yes, the excuse would be that the vehicles are past max age
09:43<Samu>perhaps this could be another autoclean option, and not a disaster
09:44<Samu>well, it was just an idea
09:44<Samu>it fits the disaster criteria better though
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10:28<Samu>Wolf01: since you're the road expert, https://imgur.com/8A9TiLA
10:28<Samu>there's something strange with that road piece
10:28<Samu>this is on 1.7.2, not ratt
10:29<Wolf01>Not a road expert
10:30<Samu>it has sidewalk
10:30<Samu>the others don't
10:31<Samu>with the exception of that one which is a station
10:31<Wolf01>Might be a weird case of townzone ring, if you rebuild it what happens?
10:32<Samu>got sidewalk again
10:33<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i have a case of empty mouse battery
10:34<Samu>let me reduce town size, destroying some houses
10:34<Samu>oh, it disappeared
10:35<Samu>false alarm then
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12:57<Samu>i'm getting errors when trying to upload files here https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6675
12:58<Samu>413 Request Entity Too Large
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13:03<__ln__>you may find this a bit more interesting: https://imgur.com/UjpwIRe
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13:14<Samu>aha, managed to uplaod
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13:42<andythenorth>o/
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13:43<Samu>lala
13:44<Samu>i'm bored, don't know what to do
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13:45<andythenorth>test NRT fork some more
13:45<andythenorth>see if you can break any more
13:45<andythenorth>actually was helpful
13:45<Samu>okok
13:45<Samu>hmm where do i dl the latest version
13:47<Samu>ah, is this still the latest one? https://www.openttd.org/en/download-ratt
13:48<Wolf01>Yes
13:48<Samu>http://fr.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/custom/ratt/g5159d2fb-road-and-tram-types/changelog.txt hmmm nice changelog
13:48<Wolf01>No changes
14:03<Samu>it still counts rail pieces as road pieces
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14:16<Samu>some AIs still can't build stations
14:19<Samu>can i download source or something like that? i wanna investigate why ais can't build
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14:22<Samu>oh, i can, lol I'm stupid
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14:35<andythenorth>lo frosch123
14:37<frosch123>moi
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15:00<supermop_work>heyyyy yoouuuu guyyys
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15:06<Samu>Wolf01: i found something
15:06<Samu>the ai is trying to build a bus drive through station
15:07<Samu>it selected road, but then, when unpacking parameters, it gets tram station instead
15:07<Samu>there are no trams
15:07<Samu>and fails to build the bus station
15:08<Samu>CommandCost CmdBuildRoadStop(TileIndex tile, DoCommandFlag flags, uint32 p1, uint32 p2, const char *text)
15:08<Samu>station_cmd.cpp line 1788
15:08<Samu>of your source code
15:08<Samu>not sure if the packing is done right, or the unpacking
15:08<Samu>perhaps you could investigate?
15:10<Samu>if (!ValParamRoadType(rtid)) return CMD_ERROR; this rtid stuff is tram at this point :(
15:35<Samu>it's the packing done wrong
15:35<Samu>line 506 script_road.cpp
15:35<Samu>Wolf01:
15:37<Samu>or andythenorth
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15:53<andythenorth>Samu: maybe tomorrow :)
15:53<andythenorth>if you have github account, you can raise an issue :) https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/issues
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16:27<Samu>andythenorth: i don't have github
16:28<Samu>change this line 524... uint p2 = station_id == ScriptStation::STATION_JOIN_ADJACENT ? 0 : 4;
16:28<Samu>replace 32 with 4
16:29<Samu>ais are now building stations
16:31<Samu>convoy is still not building, hmm... there may be more stuff to fix:(
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16:32<Samu>nevermind, he just built
16:33<Samu>weee
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16:35<Wolf01>Samu, yes, AIs and the functions used by AIs need to be fixed, we already told you, could you try to test the core functionality by hand to spot other problems instead of focusing on AIs?
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16:36<Samu>uhm, im trying to test desyncs
16:37<Wolf01>Then do it with 2 human companyes
16:37<Wolf01>*nies
16:38<Wolf01>Things to test are something like loading multiple NRT grfs such unspooled, roadhog, dockland (look in the newgrf forum) in different order and check if problems pop up
16:40<Wolf01>Roadhog not the bananas version
16:40<Samu>there's still the issue of rail tracks counting as road pieces
16:41<Wolf01>I have some ideas about that one
16:42<Wolf01>But I'll need to rethink some things
16:42<Samu>hmm im not much of a newgrf
16:42<Samu>user
16:42<Wolf01>frosch123: what if I move INVALID_ROADTYPE from 255 to 0, and ROAD is 1?
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16:43<Wolf01>Then what do you want to test? The economy? NRT is ALL about newgrfs
16:44<frosch123>Wolf01: that is not common in ottd
16:44<frosch123>invalid stuff is usually FF
16:44<Wolf01>I know, but it's also used to initialize stuff to 0, and it makes road everywhere
16:44<Wolf01>I already fixed bridges and depots
16:45<Wolf01>I don't know how a rail piece which don't share anything with road could be seen as road by the infrastructure count
16:46<Wolf01>But bridges initialized all the bits to 0, even m4 which wasn't used by rail
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16:54<Samu>where are those dock stuff
16:54<Samu>unspooled
16:54<Samu>can only find roadhog
16:54<Wolf01>Dockland
16:54<Wolf01>Do you even read?
16:55<Samu>oh, newgrf forum
16:55<Samu>i almost never go there
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17:12<Wolf01>andythenorth: as well as fixing problems in the code related to AIs, we should also try to ask some support from AI developers, or various AIs won't be compatible if NRT will hit trunk
17:12<andythenorth>hmm yes
17:14<Wolf01>The problem might be to find the authors, some widely used AIs are there, not updated since ever
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17:21<Samu>i'm a very good ai author, cough... lol
17:21<Wolf01>Too bad you can't edit other's AIs
17:26<Samu>woah,, too many road types and trams
17:27<Samu>looking at these newgrfs and i'm getting a headache
17:27<Wolf01>You never used NuTracks then
17:28<Samu>got a question, do u have trucks that can run on trams and roads at the same time?
17:29<Samu>i'm really unfamiliar with this all
17:29<Samu>Rattlebrook Open Truck
17:29<Wolf01>Finally you found what you really need to test
17:29<Samu>can enter a tram station
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17:30<Samu>sec, better with a screenshot, cus i really dunno what i'm looking at
17:30<Wolf01>I'm giggling
17:31<Samu>https://imgur.com/a/tNq84
17:31<andythenorth>bye
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17:31<Samu>that station
17:31<Samu>is a tram station? or a truck station?
17:31<Samu>or both?
17:31<Samu>or what the heck?
17:31<Wolf01>That is both
17:32<Samu>AI's have a preference for white roads
17:32<Samu>as u can see
17:33<Samu>the rail fence is expanding towards the station
17:34<Samu>shouldn't be, i think
17:35<Wolf01>It works the same in trunk, no clue of why
17:38<Samu>gonna load this in multiplayer
17:40<Samu>am i supposed to expect desyncs? :o
17:40<Wolf01>No
17:40<Samu>gonna join at random itervals
17:43<Samu>what's supposed to happen to roads on bankrupt?
17:43<Wolf01>The same of trunk
17:43<Samu>they stay? they poof? the newgrf defines?
17:44<Samu>ok
17:44<Wolf01>We added more roads, didn't change how they work... ok, some do
17:44<Wolf01>But only particular features
17:44<Wolf01>Like disallowing level crossings, building of houses around some roads etc
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17:46<supermop_work>Samu: roads stay when builder goes bankrupt
17:46<supermop_work>same as in vanilla
17:46<supermop_work>they revert to owner_none
17:47<supermop_work>later
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17:55<Wolf01>I hope he downloaded the lates unspooled
18:13<Samu>are tram vehicles supposed to reverse on stations?
18:14<Wolf01>No clue, that's what you need to check against trunk
18:14<Samu>they can reverse anywhere apparently, i clicked reverse button
18:15<Samu>i don't know, never played with trams before
18:15<Wolf01>Clicking on reverse forces reverse anywhere
18:15<Wolf01>Even in trunk
18:15<Samu>seems strange that they can do it, they go out of their tracks
18:16<Wolf01>In NRT is known that an electric tram can reverse when reaching the end of the electrification even if the track continues
18:17<Wolf01>No clue if we need to solve it graphically or changing the vehicle code
18:18<Wolf01>BTW, I suggest you to run 2 similar games, one with NRT, one with trunk, and check if the vehicles behave in the same way
18:18<Wolf01>No unwanted reverse etc
18:19<Wolf01>Also, 'night
18:19<Samu>i dont know what's the equivalent trunks
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18:19<Samu>newgrfs
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20:03<Samu>woah, why can I upgrade town roads? that's unfair
20:04<Samu>it's not my road
20:06<Samu>sounds broken
20:06<Samu>other companies can also upgrade town roads
20:08<Samu>upgrade wars... abuse in multiplayer, recipe for hell :(
20:09<ST2>disable it :p
20:10<Samu>i'm testing the NRT
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22:32<supermop>i wonder if i can use > in switch results
22:33<supermop>like <1: return x
22:33<supermop>1: return y
22:33<supermop>instead of 0..0.99: return x
22:34<supermop>because i don't thing i can use a decimal place in the results
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