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| 01:35 | <rahul> | hi, anyone having trouble going to openttd.org ? |
| 01:36 | <rahul> | anyone?? |
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| 01:44 | <rahul> | ?? |
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| 02:48 | <ToffeeYogurtPots> | rahul: I'm having trouble too, not just you. |
| 02:49 | <ToffeeYogurtPots> | 504 gateway time-out |
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| 03:21 | <Arveen> | same time-out for me too |
| 03:21 | <Arveen> | nginx rekt |
| 03:30 | <LordAro> | so it is |
| 03:31 | <LordAro> | TrueBrain: ottd.org is down |
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| 04:30 | <dihedral> | good morning |
| 04:33 | <Sacro> | ottd.org is NXDOMAIN |
| 04:35 | <dihedral> | human behaviour when a website is not functioning as expected is rather interesting |
| 04:49 | <LordAro> | Sacro: i was assuming TB could expand the abbreviation himself ;) |
| 05:04 | <Sacro> | Does TB still exist? |
| 05:04 | <Sacro> | Or is he a myth |
| 05:04 | <Sacro> | Also the number of people that expand the TTD is too damn high |
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| 05:57 | <dihedral> | Sacro, that was once - is that still the case= |
| 06:00 | <Sacro> | dihedral: hm? |
| 06:00 | <dihedral> | I recall people extending TTD a few years back - but is that still true today? |
| 06:01 | <dihedral> | a reply 50 minutes later :-S |
| 06:01 | <Sacro> | Oh, I think even Twitch does it |
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| 06:14 | <dihedral> | T-who? |
| 06:15 | <Sacro> | twitch.tv :P |
| 06:15 | <Sacro> | or whatever it is now |
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| 06:25 | <@planetmaker> | hm, Openttd.org is down |
| 06:27 | <__ln__> | totally unacceptable during business hours, how is anyone going to get any work done now |
| 06:35 | <@planetmaker> | that's the question |
| 06:36 | <@planetmaker> | bad thing: I have the power to reboot the whole physical server. But not the power to reboot the webserver VM which seems the only one being down :D |
| 06:45 | <LordAro> | whatcouldgowrong.jpg |
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| 07:05 | <Sacro> | planetmaker: reboot all the things |
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| 08:16 | <dihedral> | planetmaker, sighup the webservices process :-P |
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| 08:40 | <@planetmaker> | dihedral, err-no-root |
| 08:43 | <SpComb> | kill -CONT $(pidof TrueBrain) |
| 08:43 | <dihedral> | kill TrueBrain?? |
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| 08:44 | <SpComb> | you're intentionally misunderstanding unix terminology :( |
| 08:44 | <dihedral> | :-P |
| 08:44 | <dihedral> | just trying to bring back some old sparks :-) |
| 08:48 | <@planetmaker> | something needs to re-ignite the coal trains ;) |
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| 09:23 | <@planetmaker> | yay, webserver alive again |
| 09:28 | <supermop_work> | yo |
| 09:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it obviously says "CONTINUE to kill TrueBrain" |
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| 10:08 | <LordAro> | planetmaker: \o/ |
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| 10:55 | <@Alberth> | o/ |
| 10:55 | <Samu> | hi |
| 11:00 | <Samu> | my poor cat is dying :( |
| 11:01 | <Samu> | doctor said he got liquid in the lungs |
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| 11:03 | <Samu> | unsure if it is cancer |
| 11:03 | <Samu> | but he took some of the liquid for analyze |
| 11:03 | <Samu> | I'm sad |
| 11:06 | <Samu> | he's been losing weigth |
| 11:18 | <dihedral> | Samu, how old is your cat |
| 11:19 | <Samu> | not sure, but at least 16+ |
| 11:19 | <Samu> | it was found on the street |
| 11:24 | <Samu> | the same cat that spammed chat a few days ago :( |
| 11:35 | <Samu> | my other cat, which is older, seems more healthy |
| 11:36 | <Samu> | there was a week he was sneezing blood, though, but it stopped doing that |
| 11:38 | <Samu> | they're both old, I know :( |
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| 12:16 | <Samu> | been looking my cats |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | had one in 1998, died in 2009 |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | then 2 in 2003, kiko and tintim |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | both alive |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | another in 2099, alive |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | oops 2009 |
| 12:17 | <Samu> | one other in 2010, alive |
| 12:18 | <Samu> | and one other which birth date is really unknown, but it's assumed somewhere in 2007, 2008 |
| 12:18 | <Samu> | wasn't mine until 2013 |
| 12:19 | <Samu> | 5 cats |
| 12:20 | <Samu> | well, 6, one died already |
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| 12:52 | <Samu> | https://www.openttd.org/en/ can't open this site :( |
| 12:56 | <Samu> | 504 Gateway Time-out nginx/1.9.10 |
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| 13:19 | <LordAro> | planetmaker: looks like the site went down again |
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| 13:28 | <@peter1138> | Time for... |
| 13:28 | <@peter1138> | Hmm, something in VR |
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| 13:33 | <Wolf01> | o/ |
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| 13:42 | <Wolf01> | Cat |
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| 13:43 | <andythenorth> | yo |
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| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r27969 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2018-02-23 19:45:38 +0100 ) |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from Eints: |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | danish: 22 changes by Knogle |
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| 13:50 | <LordAro> | frosch123: fix yo website |
| 13:50 | <LordAro> | also quak |
| 13:50 | <Wolf01> | Quak |
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| 13:57 | <frosch123> | LordAro: apparently it is due to some german teeny streamer |
| 13:57 | <frosch123> | ("teeny" refering to the target group, not the streamer himself) |
| 13:57 | <LordAro> | oh huh, it's actually just being effectively ddos'd? |
| 13:58 | <frosch123> | no idea, but the last fix did only last 4 hours or so :) |
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| 14:20 | <andythenorth> | Friday is not a code day |
| 14:27 | <Wolf01> | I wanted to go to the pub but I'm too much tired :( |
| 14:35 | <andythenorth> | I am having coffee |
| 14:35 | <andythenorth> | breaking all rules, crazy |
| 14:41 | <andythenorth> | hmm, such ships |
| 14:41 | <andythenorth> | would anyone like to subscribe to Unsinkable Sam newsletter? |
| 14:43 | <Wolf01> | Newsletter maybe not, but I use a lot the RSS feeds |
| 14:43 | <andythenorth> | I have drawn 2 different ship hulls :P |
| 14:43 | <andythenorth> | very progress |
| 14:44 | <andythenorth> | they look almost like Squid |
| 14:44 | <andythenorth> | but the lengths are correct, and the lighting is somewhat fixed |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | I can make most of the set with 6 hulls, so eh |
| 14:47 | <supermop_work> | i drew some beer crate cargo sprites |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | nice |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | I never bothered :) |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | beer in silver barrels ;P |
| 14:48 | <supermop_work> | andythenorth: that is also an option per switch |
| 14:48 | <supermop_work> | kegs vs cases of green bottles |
| 14:48 | <supermop_work> | could do wood barrels pre-1900 |
| 14:49 | <supermop_work> | need some switch that guesses whether the BEER was picked up near a brewery or winery |
| 14:49 | <supermop_work> | RV sprite navel gazing will continue until town road nml time |
| 14:51 | <supermop_work> | i already made doors to see into box trailer while loading |
| 14:51 | <supermop_work> | and once i had cardboard boxes in stacks, might as well make stillages of bottles |
| 14:52 | <supermop_work> | recolor green glass to snow colors for milk |
| 14:53 | <supermop_work> | though usually the dairy farm doesn't send milk to the creamery already in bottles |
| 14:57 | <TrueBrain> | in case someone comes in yelling they cannot reach openttd.org (over HTTP) .. I just blacklisted a single IP .. was polling his server < 5 seconds apart ... someone didnt get the memo about "fair use" and a 5 minute cache time .. :P |
| 14:58 | <TrueBrain> | s/his server/his server page/ |
| 14:58 | <LordAro> | he awakes! |
| 14:58 | <Wolf01> | Fine |
| 14:58 | <TrueBrain> | some Java app |
| 14:58 | <TrueBrain> | dunno |
| 14:58 | <TrueBrain> | don't care :P |
| 14:58 | <LordAro> | wait, what was it polling? |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | the /server/SOME NUMBER page |
| 14:59 | <LordAro> | isn't one of the admin console things written in java? |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | dunno .. UA is only Java_version |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | people who write tools should learn to customize UA, so server owners can contact them :) |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | owh well .. |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | still no clue why Django is failing on us .. |
| 14:59 | <LordAro> | nah, just identify as Mozilla, all done |
| 15:00 | <LordAro> | that's all user agents do, right? |
| 15:00 | <LordAro> | TrueBrain: while you're here, when was the last time you thought about upgrading off wheezy? |
| 15:01 | <TrueBrain> | months ago; most systems run Jessie :P why? |
| 15:01 | <LordAro> | it pains me how old the wiki is, mostly :) |
| 15:01 | <TrueBrain> | nobody wants to maintain it .. what can I say? :P |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | and mediawiki made upgrading a true pain in the .... |
| 15:02 | <LordAro> | that's not been my experience of it |
| 15:02 | <LordAro> | i did a similar upgrade at work a few months ago |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | they keep changing configuration .. so I have to find out again how some stuff works ... |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | and I hate figuring stuff out :P |
| 15:02 | <LordAro> | ^^ |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | (LDAP integration mostly) |
| 15:03 | <LordAro> | as luck would have it, i had to do that as well ;) |
| 15:03 | <TrueBrain> | but mainly, I am totally puzzled why django stops responding ... |
| 15:03 | <TrueBrain> | the server is not stressed, everything is normal ... |
| 15:03 | <LordAro> | how odd |
| 15:04 | <TrueBrain> | it is only a single django instance .. and twice in 24h .. |
| 15:04 | <TrueBrain> | no weird URLs or something |
| 15:05 | <LordAro> | no stack traces anywhere? |
| 15:05 | <TrueBrain> | nothing crashed |
| 15:05 | <LordAro> | those are the fun ones |
| 15:06 | <TrueBrain> | all I see is that one worker stops responding .. a bit later the next .... |
| 15:06 | <TrueBrain> | no disks full or something |
| 15:06 | <LordAro> | (in case i didn't drop enough hints, i'm happy to do the wiki upgrade for you, should you be willing ;) ) |
| 15:07 | <TrueBrain> | sadly, I have no easy way to give you selective access like that |
| 15:08 | <TrueBrain> | so I will have to check how we are going to arrange that |
| 15:08 | <LordAro> | np :p |
| 15:08 | <Wolf01> | Just give him full access ;) |
| 15:08 | <+glx> | money + first child as guarantee :) |
| 15:09 | <LordAro> | :D |
| 15:09 | <LordAro> | i don't have any significant experience with django so i can't help you there, i'm afraid |
| 15:10 | <TrueBrain> | 60% uses SSL these days on openttd.org |
| 15:11 | <TrueBrain> | 50/50 based on IP |
| 15:11 | <Wolf01> | What do one needs to be the next TB? :P |
| 15:12 | <TrueBrain> | 10% is IPv6 |
| 15:12 | <TrueBrain> | just some random stats |
| 15:12 | <LordAro> | why not redirect everything to https? |
| 15:12 | <TrueBrain> | we considered it .. a few pages already are |
| 15:13 | <TrueBrain> | but 30+% doesn't use SSL .. HTST is on .. so .. are those people who cant do SSL? |
| 15:14 | <LordAro> | weird java applications? :p |
| 15:14 | <frosch123> | ie4 users? |
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| 15:14 | <TrueBrain> | wow .... a VERY low amount of users use HTTP/2.0 |
| 15:15 | <TrueBrain> | that is not what I epxected |
| 15:15 | <TrueBrain> | guess the server needs some updating for proper support or something |
| 15:15 | <LordAro> | i just added a couple |
| 15:15 | <LordAro> | :p |
| 15:16 | <TrueBrain> | my Chrome doesn't pick up on the HTTP/2.0 |
| 15:16 | <TrueBrain> | still no clue what django has been doing ... lets hope it is not repeating itself again :D |
| 15:17 | <TrueBrain> | anyway, server maintaince .. how ever I look at it, the best way forward is to reinstall some stuff |
| 15:17 | <TrueBrain> | we also have a CF upgrade which is "almost done" |
| 15:17 | <TrueBrain> | and badly needed |
| 15:17 | <LordAro> | hmm yeah, my chrome doesn't either |
| 15:17 | <LordAro> | curl does it fine though |
| 15:17 | <TrueBrain> | most likely nginx is a bit too old for it to work properly |
| 15:18 | <LordAro> | 1.9.10 isn't *that* old... |
| 15:18 | <TrueBrain> | no, but http/2 got some love |
| 15:18 | <LordAro> | mm |
| 15:18 | <TrueBrain> | FlySpray should be replaced with something that is maintained |
| 15:19 | <TrueBrain> | I have been trying to push the devs towards git, and use GitHub as main repo :P No clue where that conversation ended :) |
| 15:19 | <LordAro> | probably the last time the website fell over :p |
| 15:19 | <LordAro> | hey, flyspray had a release in octover |
| 15:19 | <LordAro> | october* |
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| 15:20 | <TrueBrain> | yeah ......... |
| 15:20 | <TrueBrain> | I was hoping frosch123 and co agrees on GitHub, as then we have both an issue tracker and source-code manager :P |
| 15:20 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: i moved half of my obsolete branches to github |
| 15:20 | <TrueBrain> | \o/ |
| 15:20 | <frosch123> | i am fine with code on github |
| 15:21 | <TrueBrain> | also as main? |
| 15:21 | <frosch123> | but when flyspray is shut down i want a static copy of the closed bugs |
| 15:21 | <TrueBrain> | FS doesnt need to shut down, as far as I care .. just not actively used :D |
| 15:21 | <frosch123> | why i could ofc wget myself :p |
| 15:22 | <LordAro> | still got the issue of the CI, but presumably bamboo can be pointed at github |
| 15:22 | <LordAro> | of course it can, it already is |
| 15:22 | <TrueBrain> | webhooks |
| 15:22 | <TrueBrain> | will be fine :) |
| 15:22 | <TrueBrain> | but it also means you can use those CIs out there that do other things than compile code :P |
| 15:22 | <LordAro> | when google code shut down, their github importer also transferred closed issues, could look at doing something like that as well |
| 15:23 | <TrueBrain> | either way, LDAP also needs a reinstall, as it is configured wrong to work smoothly these days with modern Debians |
| 15:23 | <TrueBrain> | we have musad + ottd_content + BaNaNaS ... which are running something I dont dare to speak of |
| 15:23 | <TrueBrain> | main website .. |
| 15:24 | <TrueBrain> | guess I should make a nice list :) |
| 15:24 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: if (IF!) we would be to move to GitHub, would there be any need to keep an SVN mirror and/or HG mirror? |
| 15:24 | <TrueBrain> | or is that more for people who want to use that, to figure out? |
| 15:24 | <LordAro> | pretty sure github itself still has a svn mirror |
| 15:24 | <LordAro> | *fairly* sure that wasn't just an april fool |
| 15:24 | * | LordAro checks |
| 15:25 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: i don't think anyone would miss svn, albert may be the last one to use hg |
| 15:25 | <frosch123> | but iirc albert also uses git at work |
| 15:25 | <TrueBrain> | so that is good ... using PRs as workflow also would really benefit the project |
| 15:26 | <TrueBrain> | as I can see currently, BaNaNaS is the biggest one to replace |
| 15:26 | <frosch123> | i would hope for more compiled experimental versions |
| 15:26 | <TrueBrain> | with git it becomes a lot easier |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | lot of CI stuff can just compile all branches of a certain type |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | without configuration |
| 15:27 | <LordAro> | yup, github svn still works |
| 15:27 | <LordAro> | which is neat, in its own weird way |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | so anyone who can create a new branch, can create an experimental version |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | LordAro: it is |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | I once rewrote the OpenTTD website into Angular .. to realise no tools could make non-javascript stuff from that |
| 15:27 | <TrueBrain> | but these days we do have those tools |
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| 15:28 | <TrueBrain> | worth looking into I guess |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | I go afk for 10 mins |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | and all this happens :P |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | nothing for months |
| 15:28 | <TrueBrain> | 10 minutes? In what timezone ARE YOU?! |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | then I miss all fun |
| 15:28 | <LordAro> | might want to think about where build configuration is stored |
| 15:28 | <TrueBrain> | what build-configuration you refer to? |
| 15:28 | <LordAro> | well, CI config or build config itself, really |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | I am in the TZ where 3 mins = 1 min UTC |
| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | it really fucks with you |
| 15:28 | <TrueBrain> | normally you put that in git |
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| 15:28 | <LordAro> | if you open it up to jonny randomer, it has the potential for abuse via PRs |
| 15:29 | <andythenorth> | imagine how much worse TZ would be if there were relative units |
| 15:29 | <LordAro> | unless properly sandboxed, of course |
| 15:29 | <TrueBrain> | no no, you got me wrong there :) Only people we allow can create branches ;) |
| 15:29 | <TrueBrain> | but yes, the new CF we (me and frosch123) months ago nearly finished (except for Windows :@), uses Docker |
| 15:29 | <TrueBrain> | so "sandboxed" |
| 15:29 | <TrueBrain> | possibly run CoreOS under it for some extra security, I guess |
| 15:30 | <TrueBrain> | but branch creation always needs some form of restriction |
| 15:30 | <TrueBrain> | CPU time is too expensive |
| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | we (work) use jenkins CI and limit branches built |
| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | because AWS time costs money |
| 15:31 | <LordAro> | probably want to consider some sort of bot that can be triggered to build things then |
| 15:31 | <TrueBrain> | that is another approach |
| 15:31 | <LordAro> | something similar to how Rust does it |
| 15:31 | <TrueBrain> | just any github fork |
| 15:31 | <TrueBrain> | can the bot be on Discord? :P |
| 15:32 | <andythenorth> | can you shout at it then? |
| 15:32 | <TrueBrain> | yes! |
| 15:32 | <andythenorth> | 'stupid bot, stop building' |
| 15:32 | <LordAro> | i was thinking via github comments :p |
| 15:32 | <TrueBrain> | funny enough, didnt think about that one |
| 15:32 | <TrueBrain> | example? |
| 15:32 | <TrueBrain> | as that can be pretty cool |
| 15:32 | <TrueBrain> | then you don't even need branches |
| 15:33 | <LordAro> | https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/48472 bors is the bot |
| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | github has worked fine for NotRoadTypes, for the record |
| 15:34 | <TrueBrain> | I really like the idea that a dev can leave in a PR something so a binary is created for anyone to download |
| 15:35 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: what do you think? |
| 15:36 | <LordAro> | artifacts provided by the CI would work for that |
| 15:36 | <TrueBrain> | rust really went overbored there I see |
| 15:36 | <TrueBrain> | lol |
| 15:36 | <LordAro> | they did a bit |
| 15:36 | <frosch123> | as i see it, there is noone who wants to review stuff. so there are two ways to continue: either drop everything into trunk and let it die, or compile like 10 custom versions and offer them for download |
| 15:37 | <LordAro> | but hey, it seems to work for them |
| 15:37 | <LordAro> | i think there's several people who want to review stuff |
| 15:37 | <frosch123> | i like the way that makes stable ottd only one version of many |
| 15:38 | <LordAro> | there's not enough people who are *allowed* to review stuff |
| 15:38 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: what do you mean? |
| 15:38 | <frosch123> | LordAro: the only one who was interested in supporting stuff in the past year got under a car |
| 15:38 | <TrueBrain> | who got under a car? |
| 15:38 | <LordAro> | wut |
| 15:39 | <frosch123> | adf88 is gone for 6 months from one day to another on all platforms |
| 15:39 | <TrueBrain> | meh :( |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | the only way reviewers learn |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | is by shipping bugs to production |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | and having to wear a brown bag |
| 15:39 | <frosch123> | either he's in jail for protesting against polish government or got under a car |
| 15:40 | <frosch123> | so, i suggest the gcc way |
| 15:40 | <frosch123> | keep ottd stable as it is, add a bunch of competing branches, and if they make it, let them replace stable |
| 15:40 | <andythenorth> | +1 |
| 15:41 | <TrueBrain> | or what-ever happens after that, but I fully agree that making it easier to build/publish versions helps |
| 15:41 | <andythenorth> | there's probably some evolutionary metaphor :P |
| 15:41 | <LordAro> | huh |
| 15:41 | <TrueBrain> | so lets make that the focus point :) |
| 15:41 | <andythenorth> | more of it is other people's problem? o_O |
| 15:41 | <TrueBrain> | it still makes me laugh that we have more multiplayer server than clients playing :D |
| 15:42 | <TrueBrain> | so, if we move the main code to GitHub, it means we have to create tooling around GitHub to make everything shiny |
| 15:42 | <frosch123> | well, if you find a method to make idle ottd servers host a distributed compile farm :p |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | also mine crypt |
| 15:42 | <TrueBrain> | honestly, we have plenty of CPU time for OpenTTD and all its patches |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | while we're there |
| 15:43 | <LordAro> | :D |
| 15:43 | <andythenorth> | did we include a crypto AI yet? |
| 15:43 | <TrueBrain> | 8 cores are sitting idling, most of the time |
| 15:43 | <TrueBrain> | andythenorth: no, we are not evil |
| 15:43 | <andythenorth> | we aren't |
| 15:43 | <andythenorth> | some of us might be |
| 15:43 | <TrueBrain> | either way, most stuff OpenTTD does (on website etc) with VCS, is done via a svn:// link .. so that is easy to move |
| 15:44 | <TrueBrain> | any plans for BaNaNaS? |
| 15:44 | <andythenorth> | there ought to be |
| 15:44 | <frosch123> | bananans will have to survive for a few years more :) |
| 15:44 | <TrueBrain> | the shitty part is, it is running on a heavily modified Django 1.2 .. |
| 15:45 | <LordAro> | ono |
| 15:45 | <frosch123> | is it? it ran fine on some django 1.6 |
| 15:45 | <TrueBrain> | on Debian Etch .. |
| 15:45 | <LordAro> | oh no |
| 15:45 | <TrueBrain> | if I login to that server, spiders come out |
| 15:45 | <frosch123> | or whatevery version was in debian stable in 2012 |
| 15:46 | <TrueBrain> | either way .. I guess any progress is progress :P |
| 15:46 | <TrueBrain> | I just read that LordAro offered to help out with any migration |
| 15:46 | <TrueBrain> | so we mainly have to experiment a bit what works for us |
| 15:46 | <LordAro> | well i did specify the wiki, but... :p |
| 15:47 | <andythenorth> | https://giphy.com/gifs/cartoon-hunts-the-simpsons-119mPbgfgGnXig |
| 15:47 | <TrueBrain> | ssl_no_cypher_overlap |
| 15:47 | <frosch123> | LordAro: if you offer a hand, you will have to give an arm |
| 15:47 | <TrueBrain> | I might need to upgrade this machine too :P |
| 15:48 | <LordAro> | frosch123: ;) |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | I just ignore random words LordAro writes |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | a lot easier |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | I see there are scripts that import FlySpray into GitHub :P |
| 15:48 | <TrueBrain> | just who becomes the author, I wonder :P |
| 15:49 | <LordAro> | the github bot someone's going to set up, right? :p |
| 15:49 | <TrueBrain> | we (or rather: I) have an OpenTTD user on github |
| 15:49 | <TrueBrain> | so that is not really difficult |
| 15:50 | <LordAro> | wait, is github.com/OpenTTD a user rather than an organisation? |
| 15:50 | <TrueBrain> | both |
| 15:50 | <TrueBrain> | all commits are pushed via OpenTTD |
| 15:50 | <andythenorth> | what's even in FS now |
| 15:50 | * | andythenorth looks |
| 15:50 | <TrueBrain> | which annoys some people that follow me, as it is linked to my account |
| 15:50 | <TrueBrain> | and people keep seeing that I did it :P |
| 15:51 | <LordAro> | ha |
| 15:51 | <LordAro> | might want to do a ..."proper" reimport |
| 15:51 | <TrueBrain> | I am tempted to write a script that imports all (open and closed) bugs from OpenTTD to GitHub, and add a redirect to OpenTTD pointing to the right ticket :P |
| 15:51 | <TrueBrain> | current import is proper? |
| 15:52 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: adf88 wasnt even added to the readme? I think the dev status is what pissed him off :P |
| 15:53 | <TrueBrain> | omg, GitHub tells me I only did 251 commits for OpenTTD .. LIES! |
| 15:54 | <andythenorth> | once we've done openttd, can we knock off coop? :P |
| 15:54 | <LordAro> | TrueBrain: oh, i think i misunderstood |
| 15:54 | <LordAro> | but sounds like some extra author rewriting could be done ;) |
| 15:54 | <TrueBrain> | how again can you link your account to a username .. hmm |
| 15:54 | <TrueBrain> | LordAro? |
| 15:54 | <TrueBrain> | what needs rewriting? |
| 15:54 | <LordAro> | assuming git svn, there's a --author-file, i think |
| 15:55 | <LordAro> | depends what the script is doing |
| 15:55 | <TrueBrain> | postfix with @openttd.org |
| 15:55 | <TrueBrain> | all devs have access to that account |
| 15:56 | <LordAro> | ah right |
| 15:56 | <LordAro> | well michi_cc should add that email to his github then ;) |
| 15:56 | <TrueBrain> | more people do :) |
| 15:57 | <frosch123> | mine is linked |
| 15:57 | <TrueBrain> | let me see if it now linked all my commits correctly ... |
| 15:57 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: i care more about the fs tasks that are linked from commit messages |
| 15:57 | <TrueBrain> | important things first :P |
| 15:57 | <andythenorth> | frosch123: fair |
| 15:58 | <andythenorth> | we could leave something to rewrite those |
| 15:58 | <TrueBrain> | I am happy we did FS# as syntax :) |
| 15:58 | <TrueBrain> | but we can make that really pretty :) |
| 15:58 | <TrueBrain> | not even 10k bugs |
| 15:58 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: all open tasks can be summarized to "replace icu" and stuff that does not matter :p |
| 15:58 | <TrueBrain> | and make the project look good, having 10k bugs, of which most are closed :P |
| 15:58 | <TrueBrain> | LABELS! WE WILL HAVE LABELS! :P |
| 15:59 | <andythenorth> | frosch123: :o you don't care that Russian exchange rate is wrong |
| 15:59 | <andythenorth> | I am shocked |
| 15:59 | <LordAro> | pretty sure if you import all open & closed bugs, the "FS#number" will auto link |
| 16:00 | <TrueBrain> | how could it? |
| 16:00 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: it should be the exchange rate from 1995, but anyway, all xussr people would complain if they were changed |
| 16:00 | <TrueBrain> | 948 commits .. much better .. still not what I expected :P |
| 16:00 | <LordAro> | TrueBrain: well the issue numbers would be the same :p |
| 16:00 | <TrueBrain> | yeah ... that would be the other way to go about this |
| 16:00 | <TrueBrain> | open/close any holes (we have a few) |
| 16:01 | <TrueBrain> | honestly, might be the cherry on top |
| 16:04 | <TrueBrain> | that does need a reset I think, as I believe someone made some PRs :P |
| 16:04 | <TrueBrain> | I wont name people (LORDARO) |
| 16:04 | <LordAro> | aahh |
| 16:05 | <TrueBrain> | #1 and #2 bugs are silly anyway |
| 16:05 | <TrueBrain> | so that can be forgiven :P |
| 16:06 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: I will get back to you how I see this working; then we can find people for it, and make a timeline |
| 16:07 | <TrueBrain> | and I will monitor the website a bit for the rest of the night, but please email if something is wrong .. email I read :) |
| 16:20 | <LordAro> | ah, nothing's actually happening? |
| 16:20 | <LordAro> | goodo, i shall KSP instead :) |
| 16:22 | <Samu> | Wormnest: nonocab v5 is still running |
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| 16:22 | <Samu> | 2044, 7 years till 2051 |
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| 16:48 | <Samu> | 6 years |
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| 17:03 | <Wormnest> | Good to hear Samu |
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| 17:10 | -!- | DDR is "David" on #openttd |
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| 17:42 | <Samu> | 4 years |
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| 18:37 | <Samu> | 3 years |
| 18:52 | <@planetmaker> | wow, lots of activity suddenly :D |
| 18:59 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 19:06 | <Samu> | 2 years |
| 19:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that only happens when things break :p |
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| 19:19 | <Samu> | last year |
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| 19:54 | <Samu> | finished |
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| 22:37 | <Gustavo6046> | Tunnels are costly. Is there no cheap way to get past a mountain without penalizing the vehicular speed?? |
| 22:37 | <Gustavo6046> | Sometimes going around isn't a simple solution. |
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