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08:12<stefino>hi all. I prepared cargos for vehicles to FIRS economy and found these 3 what I couldn't classify. Chemical (RFPR?), Timber (WDPR?), Packaging ? Thnaks :)
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08:21<dihedral>greetings
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09:57<supermop_work_>stefino: WDPR is finished lumber products, like milled boards, sheets of plywood, MDF
09:58<supermop_work_>packaging is is cardboard boxes, aluminum cans, plastic crates, etc
10:00<supermop_work_>RFPR are fine chemicals, additives for making plastics, etc
10:03<stefino>ok so if I have in firs "chemicals, timber,packaging" what cargo name does it have? RFPR,WDPR and?
10:03<supermop_work_>packaging is MNSP if i recall correctly
10:04<supermop_work_>there is a list online
10:04<stefino>okay okay :) mnsp seems good :) thx
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11:32<andythenorth>supermop_work_: http://www.core77.com/posts/74389/Todays-Urban-Design-Observation-Is-This-Screw-Up-the-Designers-Fault-or-the-Contractors-Fault
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11:48<@Alberth>hi hi
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13:48<peter1138>Pom te pom
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14:18<Wolf01>o/
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14:32<@Alberth>o/
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14:39<Wolf01>o/
14:42<andythenorth>o/
14:42<andythenorth>I am looking at this for my newgrf projects https://docs.pipenv.org/
14:42<andythenorth>Alberth: any experience? ^
14:43<Wolf01>Nice
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14:44<@Alberth>not even close
14:44<@Alberth>I still haven't experimented with a virtualenv
14:45<@Alberth>tbh I don't see why you need one
14:45<supermop_work_>andythenorth: no architect actually detailed those letters or would even bother to
14:45<supermop_work_>thats not really part of our scope
14:45<andythenorth>Alberth: 80:20 setuptools / distutils
14:45<supermop_work_>it almost certainly was the GC who had the 'neat idea'
14:46<andythenorth>virtualenv is a defense against those
14:46<@Alberth>right, never use those either, I have a package manager :)
14:46<@Alberth>at OS level
14:46<andythenorth>how do you resolve dependency conflicts?
14:46<andythenorth>or multiple python versions?
14:47<@Alberth>what conflicts?
14:47<andythenorth>right :)
14:47<@Alberth>I have python2 and python3, not enough?
14:47<andythenorth>I have to have 2.4, 2.6, 2.7, and 3.5
14:47<@Alberth>ah, much more insane setup :p
14:47<andythenorth>and I have to have specific versions of setuptools in 2.4 and 2.7
14:48<andythenorth>depending on the project
14:48<@Alberth>yes, I can see the problem then
14:48<andythenorth>we used to refuse virtualenv, and use (in a convoluted way) shebangs
14:48<andythenorth>but eh
14:49<andythenorth>anyway, I digresss, I'll try the tool
14:49<@Alberth>sounds useful
14:50<@Alberth>ROS and catkin use bash scripts and env vars for everything
14:50<@Alberth>so you're not the only one :)
14:51<andythenorth>it's an evil solution, it requires a convoluted build tool
14:51<andythenorth>we now have make build the virtualenv and install deps
14:51<andythenorth>simpler
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14:56<@Alberth>yep, I have already given up on catkin and ros to ever become sane :)
15:10<Wolf01>So, shit doesn't work, and I want to make shit work
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15:11<Wolf01>Fixed target framework, fixed paths, fixed compiling with /ZW a single file
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15:23<Wolf01>So, to fix 3 errors I get 580 new ones
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15:23<Wolf01>Nice
15:25<andythenorth>:)
15:25<@Alberth>more but simpler errors perhaps?
15:27<Wolf01>Yes, all are linker errors, unresolved external symbol
15:27<Wolf01>And one is "75 unresolved externals"
15:27*andythenorth has 101 contrast failures in 1 page :|
15:27<@Alberth>haha
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15:28<andythenorth>and 37 out of 38 visual diff tests failed
15:28<andythenorth>visual diff is a phenomenal tool btw
15:28<@Alberth>they din't dar eadding 75 more errors :)
15:28<andythenorth>we should use it to regression test OpenTTD :P
15:28<Wolf01>Or I can trade those 580 errors with LNK2005, LNK1169 and LNK2038
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15:33<Wolf01>"LNK2005 Errors When Link C Run-Time Libraries Are Linked Before MFC Libraries", LNK1169 is "one or more multiply defined symbols found", LNK2038 mismatch detected for 'vccorlib_lib_should_be_specified_before_msvcrt_lib_to_linker': value '1' doesn't match value '0' in MSVCRTD.lib(app_appinit.obj)
15:33<Wolf01>I don't have any idea on how to fix them
15:34<Wolf01>But the first 2 seem to go together
15:34<Wolf01>And maybe fixing the third makes everything disappear
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15:37<andythenorth>bbl
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15:43<@Alberth>maybe the order of libraries is significant? first error seems to say that the C libraries should be after the MFC libraries
15:43<Wolf01>Yess, might be, but I don't know what to change
15:44<@Alberth>no list of libraries being included somewhere?
15:44<Wolf01>Mmmh, let me see
15:44<@Alberth>or list of paths? (not sure if that is relevant)
15:45<Wolf01>List of paths yes
15:45<@Alberth>usually that is just which directory should be tried first
15:46<@Alberth>(for each libnrary)
15:46<@Alberth>unix has these -la -lb -lstuff options for it
15:47<@Alberth>you didn't specify what libraries to link?
15:47<@Alberth>or what source code to use or so?
15:48<Wolf01>No, I didn't, it uses the standard library names in object files to figure that, at least that's what I understood about the error
15:52<@Alberth>perhaps with include or import, the program figures that out itself
15:53<Wolf01>Changing between SDK versions gives different errors, maybe they used a specific SDK version which is not available (some insiders release)
15:54<LordAro>Wolf01: what have you done that touches library settings?
15:54<Wolf01>SDL project
15:54<@Alberth>trying to use windows, most likely
15:54<LordAro>ha
15:56<@Alberth>some flags to state it's a C thing?
15:56<Wolf01>It's a mixed c/c++ thing
15:57<@Alberth>well, whatever, it uses something to decide order, maybe the project type, or flags or something
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16:05<Wolf01>Oh, found it
16:05<Wolf01>%(AdditionalLibraryDirectories); $(VCInstallDir)\lib; $(VCInstallDir)\lib\store <- inverted the last 2
16:06<@Alberth>right
16:07<@Alberth>using different directories to have order in linking
16:07<LordAro>#justwindowsthings
16:07<Wolf01>That's when you brute force all the possible permutations of values XD
16:07<@Alberth>I really wonder how you would ever design it like that
16:07<Wolf01>Now time to get the resourced from my original CD
16:08<LordAro>Alberth: "design" is probably the wrong word
16:08<@Alberth>next step!
16:08<@Alberth>I was being polite :p
16:11<Wolf01>Lol, I really have to use the CD, all the files I have are for the other version
16:13<__ln__>@seen Bjarni
16:13<@DorpsGek>__ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 years, 22 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
16:13<__ln__>do we have to start assuming he's not coming back?
16:13<LordAro>i think it was about this long last time
16:14<Wolf01>At least Darkvater shown up some days ago
16:16<__ln__>@seen Darkvater
16:16<@DorpsGek>__ln__: Darkvater was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 47 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Darkvater> good ol' days :)
16:16<Wolf01>DorpsGek is broken :)
16:17<Wolf01>Also I don't remember where I put the cd
16:17<Wolf01>I'll try with the other game resources
16:18<@Alberth>dorpsgek only records the date when a person says something
16:19<Wolf01>Ok, he stayed for 4 seconds
16:19<LordAro>also, bouncers
16:20<Wolf01>Ok, it compiled but now I have some errors
16:20<Wolf01>Strange
16:20<Wolf01>Windows.
16:23<Wolf01>What? It removed the entire SDL repository
16:24<LordAro>it's trying to help!
16:24<nielsm>does anyone know if the dos ttd music files have ever been reverse engineered before?
16:24<Wolf01>Paths defined with feets
16:24<Wolf01>Also feet
16:24<nielsm>if not I'm just going to go ahead with it
16:39<peter1138>Don't think so.
16:40<nielsm>because I just spent all day staring at gmusic.com from drivers.cat in IA
16:40<nielsm>*IDA
16:40<Wolf01>Mmmh, the game crashes on "delete mutex"
16:40<nielsm>sorry that was mmusic.com actually
16:45<Wolf01>Ok, where do I define a constant, again?
16:49<Wolf01>Oh, conditional compilation symbols, that's how it is called now
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