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06:33<andythenorth>is ferries http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8912/is_also_ferry.png
06:33<andythenorth>just rough to get the idea
06:34<andythenorth>not good yet
06:56<Eddi|zuHause>how "micro" is it allowed to get? http://www.fähren-wettin-löbejün.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/LR_2_Wettin-43.jpg
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07:03<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: that length is fine, but the height means there's not much to look at :P
07:04<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sorry if reality is too boring for you :p
07:05<andythenorth>reality contains many forms :P
07:05<andythenorth>bbl
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07:25<Eddi|zuHause>ah... "selective reality"... that seems to be "hip" these days anyway
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11:39<supermop_work>yo
11:40<andythenorth>lo
11:51<Sacro>\o/
11:52<@Alberth>o/
11:54*andythenorth always refactoring
11:54<andythenorth>then I refactor the refactor
11:55<andythenorth>healthy, or futile? :P
12:02<@Alberth>I am mostly already happy when the refactor itself works out :)
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12:03<@Alberth>but sure if you do the same kind of refactor all the time, you may want to speed up that process
12:03<@Alberth>on the other hand, it's often simpler not to create that mess :)
12:05<andythenorth>mostly I delete old assumptions
12:05<andythenorth>and replace one kind of complexity with another
12:05<andythenorth>:P
12:06<@Alberth>the latter is normal, you pay the price somewhere :)
12:09<andythenorth>it would be fine, except I try to maintain parity across 3 newgrf compiles also :P
12:09<andythenorth>but trains != ships :P
12:09<Sacro>orly?
12:09<Sacro>That explains why canals are there...
12:10<andythenorth>$someone should make ship consists
12:10<andythenorth>with arbitrary 'wagons', ie. barges
12:10<andythenorth>then ships ~= trains
12:10<andythenorth>and my newgrf compile will be tidy
12:10<Sacro>And then the same with aircraft?
12:11<Sacro>But only on Christmas Eve
12:11<andythenorth>hmm
12:11<andythenorth>arbitrary zellepins
12:11<andythenorth>oh the zellepin joke has gone too far
12:11<andythenorth>I just searched for 'zellepin tug and barge'
12:12<andythenorth>google doesn't know about zellepins :(
12:12<Sacro>Not sure I do either tbh
12:12<Sacro>lead zellepins?
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12:13<andythenorth>it was a pikka joke
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12:14<andythenorth>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenkbarer_Luftzug
12:14<andythenorth>zeppelin train
12:15<@Alberth>zellepin trains!
12:16<@Alberth>ex-military, looking for a new hobby at 52 years :p
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12:21<andythenorth>model zellepin train http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C45MB4/model-of-the-steerable-air-cruising-train-of-graf-von-zeppelin-1895-C45MB4.jpg
12:28<@Alberth>ha, might work :)
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14:46<andythenorth>such http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8912/is_also_ferry.png
14:47<andythenorth>not very good yet
14:49<supermop_work_>does mail ship really need a crane?
14:49<andythenorth>does Postman Pat really need a helicopter? o_O
14:50<andythenorth>https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/8/87790/2988443-box_ppsds.png
14:50<andythenorth>I think I just like the cranes :P
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15:06<supermop_work_>is there a cb for cargo age?
15:15<supermop_work_>to choose how many pixels are fire-orange in a load of slag
15:18<andythenorth>days in transit maybe?
15:18<andythenorth>time since last station?
15:18<andythenorth>there will be something
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15:26<supermop_work>hi frosch123
15:28<frosch123>moi
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16:58<nielsm>here's a win32 build with all my music experiments: http://0x0.st/sa_x.rar
16:58<nielsm>if you want to try it with music from the DOS version, find GM.CAT and put it in the baseset folder
16:59<andythenorth>such ferry http://c8.alamy.com/comp/KW684N/small-ferry-in-the-city-of-kristiansund-in-western-norway-KW684N.jpg
16:59<nielsm>I've also made an .obm file for the TTO+World Editor music set, that file should be renamed GM-TTOWE.CAT
17:00<nielsm>and there are two bonus console commands: "dumpsmf filename.mid" to write a standard midi file from whatever is playing
17:00<nielsm>and "glitchmusic param1 param2" to use wrong parameters for the DOS music decoding and cause it to glitch :)
17:01<nielsm>all of the DOS music stuff only works with the "win32" music driver, not dmusic
17:01<andythenorth>chibi http://www.the-stenzels.com/photo/2007/ac/jun_4_morning_ferry_to_helsingborg_sweden/data/images1/20070604.0026.0.small_ferry_leaving_helsingor,_denmark.jpg
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17:20<nielsm>and a complete patch set from r27980: http://0x0.st/saLN.patch
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17:20<nielsm>(I'm quite sure it can't be accepted in this form, there's too many things that need cleanup in the new music code)
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17:39<supermop>yo
17:39<supermop>home early
17:44*andythenorth bed early
17:45<supermop>what's the use of "most_common_refit "
17:46<andythenorth>sounds like trains
17:47*andythenorth looks in ml
17:47<andythenorth>nml
17:47<supermop>y tho
17:47<andythenorth>no idea, I'm looking if it's var F2 https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles
17:48<andythenorth>var F2 makes zero sense to me
17:48*supermop should listen to more nick cave
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17:48<supermop>underrated
17:48<andythenorth>I assumed it was https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles#Consist_cargo_.2842.29
17:48<supermop>can't figure out a good way to make slag less glowy with age
17:49<andythenorth>most_common_refit is var 42
17:50<supermop>but why would you want to change a vehicle based on what it carries most often? and is it like a rolling average?
17:51<andythenorth>nah it's just bad wording
17:51<supermop>http://fractum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/empty-slag-pot-1.jpg
17:51<andythenorth>var 42 is the most common cargo type in the consist
17:52<supermop>ah
17:52<supermop>ok i can see a use for that
17:52<andythenorth>I can't but eh
17:52<andythenorth>I probably have used it somewhere
17:52<supermop>mail wagons
17:52<supermop>red if all wagons in train are mail
17:52<andythenorth>fair point
17:52<andythenorth>magical
17:53<supermop>BR blue if there's just one in a pax rake
17:53<andythenorth>I should do that in Horse :P
17:53<supermop>blue or whatever in mixed freight
17:53<supermop>mop generic train vehicles
17:53<andythenorth>let's look in 80+ vars
17:54<andythenorth>http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html#_VehicleArray
17:54<andythenorth>allegedly 3F
17:54<andythenorth>although I've been told sometimes these 80+ docs are smoking crack :)
17:56<andythenorth>I am not going to figure out how to read that in nml tonight :P
17:56<supermop>whats this for then?
17:56<andythenorth>3F B Cargo transit time, in +185 ticks (~2.5 days) units
17:57<supermop>nice
17:57<andythenorth>these are vars that are readable, but don't have 'proper' nfo support nor nml identiifers
17:58<andythenorth>also bed
17:58<supermop>later
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