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04:27<nielsm>did the source migration to github get finished? or still some things to do?
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04:31<@Alberth>I'd be surprised if it was completely finished :)
04:32<@Alberth>moving the source history to GH is just one of the many steps, I think
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04:37<LordAro>the source itself was finished copying
04:37<LordAro>but still for testing purposes only
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05:37<andythenorth>o/
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05:39<@Alberth>o/
05:43<andythenorth>hmm
05:43<andythenorth>randomly reversed engine sprites
05:43<andythenorth>currently I duplicate the spritesheet and move the sprites manually
05:43<andythenorth>I could automate that with PIL
05:44<andythenorth>or I could have different action 1 for reversed
05:44<andythenorth>PIL slows down the compile
05:45<andythenorth>doing it in action 1 requires special cases that make the compile and nml more complicated
05:52<andythenorth>doing it manually is no work at all right now :P
05:57<@Alberth>:)
05:59*andythenorth wonders why vehicle_is_flipped isn't documented in nml
05:59<andythenorth>https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles
06:00<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/nml/actions/action2var_variables.py#L167
06:00<andythenorth>it's var C8 here https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles
06:10<@Alberth>var_variables.py also says it's C8 :)
06:10<@Alberth>but no idea why
06:13<@Alberth>you could also hack nml to reverse the sprite :p
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07:22<andythenorth>I wonder if it was just missed in docs
07:22<andythenorth>and if I should fix it
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07:36<@Alberth>it's a possibility
07:42<andythenorth>I'll test it works first :P
07:42<andythenorth>but it should
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08:28<andythenorth>TrueBrain: we have donations? :P
08:31<TrueBrain>it is only 25 dollar yes :P But I have no clue if it solves my issue :D
08:37<LordAro>probably not
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08:47<TrueBrain>yippie, I made my issue migration resumable
08:48<TrueBrain>so now if github barks, I can just continue it at a later time
08:48<TrueBrain>and I can pre-import, making FlySpray readonly for a much smaller amount of time :)
08:49<TrueBrain>275 lines of code btw ... lol
08:49<andythenorth>:)
08:50<LordAro>can you disable issue creation on the github side while you're doing it?
08:50<TrueBrain>there are 14k comments and 7k tasks .. of which most are closed... that makes 21k comments (including close comments), 7k create issue, en 7k close issue .. so 35k calls
08:50<TrueBrain>I can make 1 every 3 seconds
08:50<TrueBrain>@calc 35000 * 3 / 3600
08:50<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 29.1666666667
08:51<TrueBrain>29 hours for the initial import
08:51<TrueBrain>LordAro: possibly
08:51<TrueBrain>the only thing this import script does not track, is reopening of a ticket
08:51<TrueBrain>but .. ugh
08:51<TrueBrain>and also for example a comment made after closing
08:52<TrueBrain>is in the wrong order of time
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09:00<@Alberth>it's not by definition wrong :p
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09:06<andythenorth>not sure how much history has to be perfect
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09:06<andythenorth>we're not going back in time :P
09:06<TrueBrain>exactly
09:12<TrueBrain>okay .. so resumable issue import is running on a 3 second delay .. lets see if that avoids the Abuse stuff
09:13<TrueBrain>and we will check in 24 hours if all issues are imported :P
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09:16<_dp_>hi, are you finally moving to github? :)
09:16<_dp_>been out of the loop for a while ^^
09:19<andythenorth>TB has pulled the pin
09:19<andythenorth>well not quite yet
09:19<andythenorth>but close
09:20<TrueBrain>frosch123 did in fact; I am just a puppet
09:20<_dp_>well, I guess it's still something
09:20<_dp_>any plans on 1.8?
09:21<_dp_>I completely missed 1.7.2 so kinda waiting for it now :)
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09:36<andythenorth>peter1138: any way to reverse first vehicle of consist when it's purchased? Articulated CB can reverse trailing units, but not first unit I think.
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10:02<supermop>yo
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10:02<andythenorth>lo supermop
10:14<supermop>whats up
10:15<andythenorth>refactoring
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10:21<supermop>still dont get this:
10:21<supermop>https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:List_of_default_colour_translation_palettes#Company_colour_helper_functions
10:22<supermop>if i have a blue truck, and want it to have a random color
10:22<supermop>where do those palette names go
10:22<supermop>in the definition of the sprite group? in some switch?
10:23<supermop>sorry if i;m being dumb but there is no little code example for recoloring on the wiki so im clueless
10:24<supermop>nfi how to say 'use this spritegroup with this palette'
10:29<andythenorth>I am literally looking at that in Horse right now
10:29<andythenorth>due to removing the old, pixel-processing way
10:30<andythenorth>supermop: you've found the 'colour_mapping' cb yes?
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11:29<TrueBrain>ah, github replied; there is another API to use for this stuff
11:30<andythenorth>:)
11:30<andythenorth>nice
11:31<TrueBrain>just annoying I couldnt find that myself :P
11:31<TrueBrain>is a gist URL
11:32<frosch123>does it have other restrictions?
11:32<frosch123>or what is the idea behind two apis?
11:32<TrueBrain>basically, what I expected, the current API triggers emails
11:32<TrueBrain>so they dont want you to spam it like I do
11:32<TrueBrain>as it might trigger a lot of emails
11:32<TrueBrain>of course, I dont care about notifications, so I want an API where that is disabled
11:32<TrueBrain>they have one (not official yet, basically)
11:33<TrueBrain>meaning you have less restrictions
11:34<andythenorth>do trains have some user bits I can use?
11:34<TrueBrain>it also allows me to import comments at once; so 1 call for a complete issue
11:34<andythenorth>I want to reliably know which sprite a vehicle has randomised
11:35<andythenorth>or maybe I can depend on the random reliably
11:35<TrueBrain>hmm, this API suggests that you can create tickets with older timestamps
11:35<TrueBrain>that is interesting
11:35<andythenorth>:)
11:35<andythenorth>it's for migrations?
11:35<TrueBrain>its for imports
11:36<TrueBrain>so yes, that includes migrations
11:36<TrueBrain>main difficulty is that it is async
11:36<TrueBrain>so you create an issue, then you have to poll if it was created
11:37<TrueBrain>so time to fiddle with this!
11:37<LordAro>yay!
11:38<TrueBrain>means I have to rebuild my script a bit ... owh boy :D
11:42<nielsm>it'll be worth it!
11:44<TrueBrain>sadly, the import API is a one-shot API
11:44<TrueBrain>that means putting FlySpray in read-only and then migrating
11:44<TrueBrain>would take ~2 hours to do the migrations, by first estimates
11:44<TrueBrain>but okay .. lets first get it to work :)
11:44<LordAro>why do you need to put it in readonly mode?
11:45<TrueBrain>its a one-shot import; so if someone would modify FlySpray after the ticket moved to GitHub, there is no way to fix that
11:45<nielsm>so nothing new comes in while he's reading, is my guess
11:45<TrueBrain>^^
11:46<LordAro>well i thought we were still testing?
11:46<TrueBrain>yes
11:46<TrueBrain>how does that matter?
11:46<TrueBrain>there is a point in time we are no longer testing?
11:46<nielsm>flyspray will probably need to stay read-only after the import regardless
11:46<TrueBrain>its called: thinking ahead :D
11:46<TrueBrain>yup
11:46<LordAro>well it doesn't really matter if someone modifies flyspray while doing a test import
11:47<TrueBrain>but so there is a window where you cannot create a bug, basically :)
11:47<LordAro>i thought the repo would be deleted and recreated
11:47<TrueBrain>no, LordAro, but now think ahead
11:47<TrueBrain>if this is no longer a test
11:47<TrueBrain>in general I try to avoid things that need to happen ina big-bang
11:47<TrueBrain>I rather have incremental stuff
11:47<TrueBrain>and although we are testing now, I am thinking about how the result would be
11:48<TrueBrain>as I am testing the result process, not the endpoint
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12:01<TrueBrain>owh joy, a lovely API error I cannot parse :D
12:02<TrueBrain>ha! Closed on Oct 2005 :D
12:02<TrueBrain>w00p!
12:02<LordAro>:D
12:03<supermop>andythenorth: no, is that for the whole item or per sprite
12:03<andythenorth>for the whole vehicle
12:04<andythenorth>but it goes to a switch chain
12:04<andythenorth>so you could probably isolate it somewhat
12:04<supermop>so a flatbed with two subarus on it could paint one red and one blue?
12:05<andythenorth>possibly
12:05<andythenorth>what colour are the subarus in the spritesheet?
12:06<TrueBrain>its funny, adding the labels is recorded on thecurrent timestamp
12:06<TrueBrain>I cannot influence that part :D
12:06<andythenorth>ABANDON ALL HOPE
12:07<andythenorth>supermop: ^^^
12:10<TrueBrain>I need ~3 requests per issue now .. so that is 21k requests .. needs 5 hours
12:10<TrueBrain>ugh .. 5 hours of read-only ..
12:11<LordAro>can you not predownload everything from flyspray?
12:11<TrueBrain>huh?
12:11<TrueBrain>I don't understand your mindjump there?
12:11<LordAro>where's the bottleneck?
12:11<TrueBrain>GitHub
12:11<TrueBrain>5k API requests per hour
12:12<LordAro>and you have to get the information from flyspray before creating an issue out of it?
12:12<TrueBrain>where else?
12:12<TrueBrain>your mind made a jump that I cannot follow, so please explain what you are trying to resolve :)
12:12<LordAro>so why not get all the information at once, store it somewhere
12:12<TrueBrain>instead of continuing to lose me :D
12:12<LordAro>then upload it to github
12:12<TrueBrain>how does that solve anything?
12:13<LordAro>less readonly flyspray
12:13<TrueBrain>huh?!
12:13<LordAro>*unless* you're talking about the actual migration, rather than what you're doing currently#
12:13<TrueBrain>okay, let me break it down for you again (as you clearly were the one missing the train somewhere):
12:13<TrueBrain>WHEN we are going to do the real migration
12:13<TrueBrain>this is what happens:
12:13<TrueBrain>we put FlySpray in read-only
12:13<TrueBrain>we start the migration
12:13<TrueBrain>issues arrive at GitHub
12:13<TrueBrain>if ALL issues are migrated
12:13<TrueBrain>people can make new issues at GitHub
12:14<TrueBrain>again, I am not talking about this testing; I am talking about the process to get to the end result
12:14<TrueBrain>I am testing that process
12:14<LordAro>yeah, that makes sense
12:14<LordAro>i was thinking in test mode only
12:14<TrueBrain>now my testing shows this "migration" part takes ~5 hours
12:15<TrueBrain>which is a large amount of time to now need anyone creating issues on either system
12:15<_dp_>to me 5 hours sounds like something no one would even notice xD
12:16<_dp_>there are like what, 1-2 new bugs a week
12:16<TrueBrain>main issue, I cannot put Create New Issue on GitHub in read-only
12:16<TrueBrain>so I really need people to stay away from there :P
12:17<TrueBrain>if someone does make an issue .. I have to remove the project, and start over
12:17<TrueBrain>sucks :P
12:17<TrueBrain>another annoying issue, as the API is async, I cannot just schedule all imports at once
12:17<TrueBrain>as then the numbers dont have to line up
12:18<TrueBrain>and it is mostly due to this: when you import an issue, you get an URL back to poll the status of the import
12:18<TrueBrain>you can do 5000 API calls an hour
12:18<TrueBrain>the polling of the status of the import, is included in that number
12:20<frosch123>which of the 3 requests per issue defines the number?
12:20<TrueBrain>the last one
12:20<TrueBrain>when the import is done, it is assigned an issue number
12:20<TrueBrain>up till then, it can be what-ever
12:20<frosch123>hmm, so you cannot run ahead with the next one
12:20<TrueBrain>nope
12:21<TrueBrain>so maybe I can poll the site via another way that doesnt count towards my request per hour :D
12:22<LordAro>i feel like i've seen github projects with issues disabled
12:22<LordAro>but maybe whatever that is disables import as well
12:22<TrueBrain>you can disable it, sure
12:23<TrueBrain>but .. how do I import ? :D
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12:23<TrueBrain>(I tried, of course)
12:23<frosch123>we could rebrand the project secretly, so noone would find it
12:23<frosch123>like arotrans
12:23<TrueBrain>haha :D
12:23<TrueBrain>that would work fine, yes :)
12:23<LordAro>:D
12:23<TrueBrain>but I still dont like it .. 5 hours is a long time
12:24<TrueBrain>either way, check https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-RC/issues
12:24<TrueBrain>looks better not?
12:25<andythenorth>works for me :)
12:25<LordAro>is good :)
12:25<TrueBrain>forgot to remove 1 timestamp
12:26<TrueBrain>oops :D
12:26<LordAro>could get rid of- yes
12:28<supermop>andythenorth: they are blue of course
12:28<_dp_>does it insert issue text as a markdown? could break something
12:29<_dp_>or fix xD
12:29<supermop>as subarus should be
12:29<andythenorth>supermop: so that is harder :)
12:29<TrueBrain>it goes both ways
12:30<andythenorth>supermop: you see the purple for the load states? o_O http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/road-hog/repository/entry/src/graphics/brit/capo.png
12:30<andythenorth>that
12:30<andythenorth>pruple also
12:30<supermop>could make them purple
12:31<supermop>but still would like stacked sprites to get differing recoloring but doesn't look possible
12:32<andythenorth>I'm not sure it's easy
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12:35<_dp_>that "comment imported" remark is unnecessary imo, one in issue is enough
12:35<_dp_>too much spam :p
12:36<_dp_>And it's pretty clear which ones are imported anyway
12:36<TrueBrain>I think it is very important over time to have that
12:36<TrueBrain>as now everyone remembers
12:36<TrueBrain>but in 1 year, looking back
12:36<TrueBrain>it is pretty nice to see which comments were imported, and which were not
12:37<TrueBrain>lol @ import API .. I just made a ticket 1 hour in the future :D
12:37<TrueBrain>w00p!
12:39<_dp_>just having the link in the first comment is enough imo
12:39<TrueBrain>there will be tickets which have both worlds: imported comments and GitHub comments
12:39<TrueBrain>so I disagree that it is enough :)
12:40<_dp_>you mean your bot will import add github ones as well?
12:41<TrueBrain>E_COULDNT_PARSE :(
12:41<TrueBrain>but what I mean: issue is imported, and someone comments on it in GitHub
12:41<TrueBrain>so much more clear if every comment states what its origin is
12:41<TrueBrain>removes any form of confusing
12:41<TrueBrain>not now, but in 1 year
12:42<_dp_>well, if someone comments it will look like a normal comment, not DorpsGek one
12:42<frosch123>_dp_: it's not about creating an archive mirror on github
12:42<frosch123>in future people will report on github, no longer on flyspray
12:42<TrueBrain>@calc 3600 / 5000
12:42<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.72
12:42<andythenorth>flyspraty will die :)
12:42<_dp_>you can also make smth like "matthijs wrote" a link to that comment
12:43<frosch123>anyway, since the links are specific to comments it is clearly more useful
12:43<TrueBrain>this is a lot more clear
12:43<_dp_>yeah, but makes it much harder to read the thread
12:44<TrueBrain>its difficult no matter what, as extra lines are inserted that dont add to the conversation itself (the whole "blabla wrote: " for example)
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12:46<_dp_>nah, that hr and link really stands out
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12:46<_dp_>at least make it small or smth
12:47<_dp_>it's just I can't even imagine why would someone want to know where every comment came from
12:47<TrueBrain>I think this is the point where the only thing we can do is to conclude: lets agree to disagree :)
12:47<_dp_>and even if for some weird reason he does it will still be pretty clear
12:48<TrueBrain>and I cannot make it smaller; at least, I cannot find a markdown way of doing that
12:48<_dp_>but doesn't justify adding huge remark to every comment
12:50<_dp_>use <sub></sub> or ######
12:50<TrueBrain>okay, I tuned it the best I could towards 5000 request/h .. still don't fancy how long this is going to take ..
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12:54<TrueBrain>adding some # works .. at a certain point the boldness it adds no longer stands out
12:56<_dp_>yeah, h6 even has gray text
12:56<_dp_>kinda questionable semantically though
12:56<_dp_>I think I like <sub> more
12:57<TrueBrain>I am a bit surprised that that works given it is markdown
12:59<_dp_>lol
12:59<_dp_><sub><sup><sub><sup>This comment was imported from FlySpray: https://bugs.openttd.org/task/34</sup></sub></sup></sub>
12:59<TrueBrain>yeah .. no
13:00<_dp_>markdown parsers usually accept some html
13:01<TrueBrain>frosch123: I think what we will do before we migrate, is already import all closed tickets for more than a month ago
13:01<TrueBrain>that should heavily reduce the read-only time
13:03<frosch123>but increases the time where people can add stuff in github
13:03<TrueBrain>I think the "hiding" of the project will work just fine
13:03<LordAro>won't you only be able to add stuff up to the first open issue?
13:04<TrueBrain>LordAro: good point
13:04<TrueBrain>so that wont work
13:04<TrueBrain>okay, so I will do a test-run than to check the real time we need
13:05<TrueBrain>meh .. so be it
13:06<TrueBrain>okay .. so I will check back in 5 hours to see how this did :)
13:07<TrueBrain>pretty happy timestamps are kept now tbh :)
13:07<TrueBrain>still not sure about the category label
13:07<frosch123>a specific one, or in general?
13:07<TrueBrain>in general
13:07<TrueBrain>feels like noise
13:07<TrueBrain>easier to remove than to add :)
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13:21<andythenorth>not sure if vehicle_is_flipped works in nml
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13:21<andythenorth>might be why it's not documented
13:22<andythenorth>it should return FD if vehicle is flipped
13:22<andythenorth>I can't find any magic to handle that in nml
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13:23<nielsm>hmm, seems there are in fact some bugs with my midi file reading, trying it out with the scott joplin music pack on bananas right now, and several of the songs seem to break it
13:23<andythenorth>how do I mask var[0xC8] to get 1 if FD otherwise 0?
13:24<andythenorth>or at least something I can use in nml :P
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13:27<frosch123>andythenorth: pretty sure vehicle_is_flipped would return 0 or 1 in nml
13:27<andythenorth>hmm
13:27<andythenorth>must be EBKAC then
13:28<frosch123>i guess none dared to document the different between flipped and reversed
13:29<andythenorth>I have the same issue in my code :P
13:29<andythenorth>there is *no* way to set reversed on a vehicle in a non-articulated consist? o_O
13:29*andythenorth assumes
13:29<frosch123>so maybe flipping is missnig because someone thought reversed is the same
13:29<andythenorth>or maybe it was the time of flipgate
13:29<andythenorth>remember it was removed?
13:29<frosch123>"reversed" is a consist proprty
13:30<frosch123>fliipped is per vehicle
13:30<andythenorth>yes
13:30<andythenorth>can a single-vehicle consist be reversed?
13:31<andythenorth>:P
13:31<andythenorth>actually it doesn't matter :)
13:31<andythenorth>I was just curious
13:31<frosch123>consists reverse in terminus stations
13:32<andythenorth>ok so there's the other 'reversed'
13:32<andythenorth>which is adding 4000 when returning articulated cb results
13:32<andythenorth>I assumed that reversed the vehicle?
13:40<frosch123>i see a lot of train magic in the code
13:40<frosch123>may be broken for road vehicles
13:41<andythenorth>it's trains I was thinking about
13:41<andythenorth>I think I'll just leave the magic in nml :P
13:41<andythenorth>it's fairly horrible, but eh
13:42<frosch123>vehicle_is_flipped returns 0 or 1
13:42<frosch123>and yes, it is undocuented for some reason
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13:44<andythenorth>hmm
13:44<andythenorth>does flipping also flip visual effect?
13:44<andythenorth>I might be trying to solve the wrong thing :P
13:44<frosch123>that's one of those things which may be different between trains and rv :p
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13:45<frosch123>some places in ottd use spritenum, some other places use VRF_REVERSE_DIRECTION
13:45<frosch123>so it is likely inconsistent in various cases
13:46<andythenorth>seems for visual_effect_and_powered, flipped is understood
13:46<andythenorth>so I can eliminate some horrible nml :P
13:46<andythenorth>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pgbzgzckr/rqcc4t/raw
13:46<andythenorth>twice as complicated as needed :)
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14:15<TrueBrain>we still have open bugs dating 2007? :o
14:18<andythenorth>which one? o_O
14:19<frosch123>the oldest valid one is from 2010
14:19<LordAro>quick, set andy on it
14:20<LordAro>oh, only "enhancement"
14:20<andythenorth>yeah
14:20<andythenorth>earliest bug is 2010
14:21<LordAro>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-RC/issues/1003 why was wontfix added to this?
14:21<LordAro>can't see it on the original, nor has it been closed
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14:23<TrueBrain>good question
14:24<TrueBrain>lol .. variable was not reset
14:24<TrueBrain>is value of issue before him
14:24<TrueBrain>:D
14:24<TrueBrain>I didnt have open issues earlier
14:24<LordAro>hehe
14:25<TrueBrain>@calc 78 * 60 / 1677
14:25<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 2.79069767442
14:25<TrueBrain>~3 seconds per issue
14:25<TrueBrain>@calc 3 * 7000 / 3600
14:25<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 5.83333333333
14:25<TrueBrain>so 6 hours
14:26<+glx>today was a little more spamy than yesterday ;)
14:27<TrueBrain>creating/removing of projects, yes :)
14:27<+glx>5 emails vs 1 :)
14:28<+glx>but could have been worse
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14:39<nielsm>this is a really spooky bug I have... some songs cause my music driver to go into intensely slow mode, so I just get one new chord every 20 seconds or something
14:40<+glx>overflow somewhere maybe
14:41<nielsm>maybe
14:41<nielsm>I'll have to check the tempo calculations
14:41<+glx>like a 16bit number becoming negative
14:41<nielsm>probably an uint32 holding microseconds overflowing
14:42<+glx>yeah same idea ;)
14:42<andythenorth>what's the antonym of 'reversed' for a vehicle?
14:43<andythenorth>'', 'forwards', or 'unreserved'
14:43<+glx>not reversed
14:43<andythenorth>reversed / reserved /s
14:43<andythenorth>'unreversed' will do then
14:43<+glx>looks like a double negation
14:44<frosch123>desrever
14:44<+glx>lol
14:44<andythenorth>it's clunky, which is why I wondered about ''
14:45<andythenorth>but that's not explicit in places that confuse me
14:45<+glx>wiktionnary says normal
14:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27994 trunk/src/lang/welsh.txt (2018-03-18 19:45:38 +0100 )
14:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
14:45<@DorpsGek>welsh: 2 changes by kazzie
14:45<+glx>for anthonym of reverse
14:46<andythenorth>interesting
14:47<+glx>and it's in rail transport context
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14:53<nielsm>huh no doesn't look like an overflow at this point
14:53<nielsm>http://0x0.st/sa0W.png
14:53<nielsm>the last few blocks of note data in the song, the realtime value is microseconds since start of song, i.e. 1 million = 1 second
14:54<nielsm>and the last few have 20-40 seconds between each block
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15:08<nielsm>um but lol these scott joplin tunes are pretty crazy
15:08<nielsm>this one has 320 tempo change events in it
15:10<LordAro>sounds about right for Joplin :p
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15:36<TrueBrain>2700 issues done .. this is soooo slllooowwww :D
15:37<andythenorth>faster than painting pixels
15:37<andythenorth>I spent 2 days drawing 1 boat hull :P
15:39<TrueBrain>it seems it no longer creates issues ...
15:39<frosch123>how ambiguous
15:40<supermop>oh looks like different sprites in a stack can have different recolorings
15:40<frosch123>yes
15:40<supermop>it says right there in the wiki and i never realized it
15:42<andythenorth>you check them during the cb?
15:42<TrueBrain>wow, it is just really really slow ..
15:42<supermop>i think you enumerate for each iteration of the stack?
15:43<supermop>not sure because my stacks are written a little mote simply
15:44<supermop>@logs
15:44<@DorpsGek>supermop: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd
15:44<nielsm>TrueBrain you should take the opportunity to savor this once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't hurry it
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15:45<LordAro>once-in-15-years experience, anyway
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16:02<nielsm>yeah this seems to fix the tempo issues
16:09<nielsm>hmm would be neat to add an option to music baseset definitions to change the title of the jazz jukebox :)
16:09<nielsm>so it could say "Player Piano" instead for the joplin tunes
16:09<nielsm>etc
16:24*andythenorth such newgrf
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16:40<@Alberth>everything refactored?
16:40<andythenorth>well
16:41<andythenorth>do you mean 'did I touch everything'?
16:41<andythenorth>or 'is it done'? :P
16:42<frosch123>the farm only builds two projects in parallel
16:42<frosch123>andy is pushing to 3 at once :)
16:43<andythenorth>I have got a shared library :P
16:44<andythenorth>update one place, 3 projects change :P
16:44<andythenorth>new ways to regret choices later
16:44<andythenorth>where is Eddi to tell me I should have worked out my spec first?
16:45<+glx>you won't listen anyway ;)
16:46<@Alberth>stuck in the snow, probably
16:47<andythenorth>I have no problem working out the spec first
16:47<@Alberth>so working on one newgrf at a time wasn't enough :p
16:47<andythenorth>I just think the spec should be written in code
16:47<supermop>ok as a test
16:47<supermop>i made a pickup truck that changes color based on cargo age
16:48<supermop>seems to work, but color only currently updates if you stop the vehicle
16:48<@Alberth>writing a spec as code is something I try too sometimes, but it never works out
16:48<supermop>not while it is moving on its own
16:48<andythenorth>the default seems to be Excel documents
16:48<andythenorth>"Item 3.1.2: the system must accept malformed input, except when it's a security risk"
16:48<andythenorth>"Item 3.6.5: the system must work with Citrix"
16:49<andythenorth>pfff
16:49<andythenorth>or elaborate photoshop mockups
16:49<andythenorth>nah
16:49<@Rubidium>andythenorth: so, if it launches a Citrix server item 3.6.5 is fulfilled?
16:50<frosch123>supermop: coluoring updated more often if you use the stack-recolourig instead of the usual colormap callback
16:50<andythenorth>Rubidium: no at that point your lawyer has to confirm with their lawyer who is suing who
16:50<nielsm>that's some requirements that just scream for malicious misinterpretation
16:51<supermop>frosch123: seems i'll need a different stack for each age of cargo
16:52<supermop>if its for glowing orange metal ill need to point to one stack for 'very orange', one for 'kind of orange', etc, right?
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16:53<supermop>this pick up truck is too small
16:59<supermop>also, it seems that the the truck turns the color for 15 day old cargo at 30 days, etc
17:00<supermop>fwiw
17:00<andythenorth>:)
17:00<supermop>and the color of 5 day old cargo at 10 and so on
17:01<andythenorth>off-by-one in range checks?
17:01<supermop>(this truck doesn't have any cargo age properties)
17:01<frosch123>185 ticks per cargo age, 74 ticks per day
17:01<frosch123>cargo age is not in days
17:01<supermop>aha
17:01<supermop>well its fine, doesn't need to be anything exact
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17:02<supermop>i wonder if my pickup truck is the first rv to ever use this var
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17:07<supermop>also the color doesn't update at 32 days
17:09<frosch123>you may set some dummy resulf to the 32day callback
17:10<frosch123>"every_32_days: return bitmask(CB_RESULT_32_DAYS_COLOUR_MAPPING);" or something silly
17:14<TrueBrain>whoho, first real bug is also imported :)
17:18<supermop>frosch123: can i just have a random switch that gets triggered every few days?
17:20<frosch123>there is a 32day rerandomisation trigger
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17:32<andythenorth>TrueBrain: from this import bugs
17:33<TrueBrain>ImportError: cannot import name bugs
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17:49<supermop>andythenorth: do you have a custom recolor sprite to use that purple?
17:49<andythenorth>that purple is recoloured in pixa
17:49<andythenorth>but it could be done with a recolor sprite
17:50<andythenorth>the main thing is to split from CC
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19:32<TrueBrain>import of issues done
19:32<TrueBrain>378 open bugs ..
19:33<TrueBrain>of which 158 marked as 'bug'
19:33<TrueBrain>euh, first bugs -> issues
19:33<TrueBrain>32 patches
19:34<TrueBrain>@calc 78 + 36 + 31 + 46 + 139
19:34<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 330
19:34<TrueBrain>@calc 330 * 60 / 6686
19:34<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 2.96141190547
19:34<TrueBrain>3 seconds per issue
19:34<TrueBrain>total of 330 minutes
19:34<TrueBrain>so indeed, bit over 5 hours
19:34<TrueBrain>not bad
19:34<TrueBrain>owh well, nn!
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23:31<LANJesus>is this the best documentation for the admin port? http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/docs/admin_network.txt
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23:48<+glx>LANJesus: you can also check https://wiki.openttd.org/Server_Admin_Port_Development and the libraries linked on this page
23:51<LANJesus>meh. i guess i'm better off looking at http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src/network/network_admin.cpp
23:51<+glx>yes it's another option
23:51<LANJesus>COAN codebase scares me. looks like someone butchered some C into C#
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