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07:13<SnoopyBerlin>hello
07:13<Pikka>hello
07:14<SnoopyBerlin>hello pikka, were are you from?
07:14<Pikka>oh, just around
07:15<SnoopyBerlin>you are from japan?
07:17<SnoopyBerlin>ist hier wer aus deutschland?
07:18<Pikka>I'm not, I'm from Australialands
07:19<SnoopyBerlin>i have heard is very in down under
07:22<SnoopyBerlin>pikka you are male or female
07:23<Pikka>it is, very.
07:23<peter1138>Pikka is probably male or female.
07:23<peter1138>Nobody is quite sure.
07:24<peter1138>Possibly Pikka is a machine.
07:24<SnoopyBerlin>you are real?
07:24<peter1138>SnoopyBerlin, what's your favourite transport type?
07:24<SnoopyBerlin>the vac trains
07:26<SnoopyBerlin>peter you are a human?
07:26<LordAro>peter1138: what is your favourite colour?
07:26<peter1138>Banana.
07:26<peter1138>I'm no human. I'm a cyclist.
07:27<SnoopyBerlin>you are not a mashine like pikka
07:28<Pikka>the banana yellow in TTO was the best company colour.
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07:32<SnoppyBerlin>i amback
07:33<LordAro>omg
07:33<SnoppyBerlin>lord aro. you are a human?
07:34<LordAro>no, i am a Lord
07:35<SnoppyBerlin>from england is this right?
07:35<LordAro>you don't really get Lords anywhere else
07:35<peter1138>Lord Vader..
07:36<LordAro>*really*
07:36<peter1138>I don't think you are *really* a lord...
07:36<SnoppyBerlin>lol
07:36<LordAro>:o
07:37<SnoppyBerlin>bad weather in berlin
07:38<peter1138>There is no weather.
07:38<SnoppyBerlin>why
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07:41<SnoppyBerlin>no one from germany here? :-(
07:41<peter1138>I am from Toyland.
07:42<SnoppyBerlin>grrrrrrrr
07:44<SnoppyBerlin>boring here
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07:47<peter1138>Indeed.
07:48<peter1138>Do I want a Vivoactive HR?
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07:49<peter1138>Was it more boring elsewhere?
07:49<SnoppyBerlin>yes shopping today
07:53<SnoppyBerlin>an admi here
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09:21<Eddi|zuHause>how egocentric must one be to join a place and demand to be entertained?
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09:40<supermop_work>Eddi|zuHause: i demand you entertain me
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10:10<Flygon>Eddi|zuHause: Too egocentric to join up to Netflix and let the recommendations menu entertain you.
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12:55<nielsm>any chance of the new master git going on air within the next few days? because I'm going on a 2 week trip to japan from thursday next week and I'd like to have my patches rebased to the new one before then :)
13:06<LordAro>think people agreed not to do it before 1.8 release
13:06<LordAro>which will presumably be April 1
13:06<nielsm>oh well
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13:18<Eddi|zuHause>i'm still sceptical about there being an actual release :p
13:27<supermop_work>i'm still demanding that you entertain me
13:27<supermop_work>like maybe an epic poem or saga?
13:28<supermop_work>preferable the saga is about my ego
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>well, you asked for it, i deny all responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9STF450Jvg&t=0s
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14:16<Wolf01>Moin
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14:32<supermop_work>yo
14:34<Wolf01>frosch123: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p2pyq4boi
14:34<Wolf01>Feel free to edit it
14:49<supermop_work>Wolf01: don't introduce the 2nd to last item with 'finally'
14:49<supermop_work>I know you mean 'finally this is fixed'
14:49<supermop_work>but it reads odd even if it is technically correct
14:49<Wolf01>Eh, italian legacy
14:50<Wolf01>Even "eventually" means a different thing
14:52<supermop_work>do you mean 'industries window' or industry's window
14:52<supermop_work>is it the industry directory, or the individual window for each industry
14:53<Wolf01>The latter
14:55<supermop_work>slight fixes for style:
14:55<supermop_work>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppvdubt7c
14:56<supermop_work>sorry there were a lot of comma splices/run ons
14:57<Wolf01>+1
14:57<supermop_work>you forgot: "removed sea"
14:58<Wolf01>I would put that in the changelog as april fool
14:58<Wolf01>"removed sea, made ships running on tracks"
14:58<Wolf01>Which is not really so wrong
15:00<supermop_work>"removed sea, made airplanes run on canals"
15:01<Wolf01>If only NRT was merged... "removed roads"
15:01<supermop_work>haha
15:02<Wolf01>Merged ships and airplanes, you now can only use ekranoplans
15:03<Wolf01>Where's andy? We should tell him the bad news XD
15:03<supermop_work>feature: removed towns
15:04<Wolf01>That's more a bugfix
15:04<supermop_work>feature: removed game. OpenTTD is now a tetris clone"
15:05<Wolf01>Ahah
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15:15<andythenorth>lo
15:20<@Alberth>o/
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15:39<Wolf01>o/ andy
15:55<Wolf01>So what could I do this evening? More than 800 games to play, a lot of movies to see on netflix, more bugs than stars to fix
15:56<Eddi|zuHause>get this surviving mars bug fixed that crashes and burns my whole OS
15:57<Wolf01>I would like to fix astroneer instead... the new rovers slip too much and consume a lot of energy
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16:00<frosch123>https://www.openttd.org/en/news/233 <- you should not have offered the rewording :)
16:01<Wolf01>;)
16:01<Wolf01>Posted by various animals <- XD
16:02<frosch123>i will avoid the forum post, the tetris part will likely cause confusion drama
16:04<Wolf01>Nono, do it, oh, better provide pictures too
16:12<Wolf01>https://imgur.com/a/9nrhy
16:13<Wolf01>Here it is
16:13<andythenorth>hmm
16:14<andythenorth>tetris AI
16:14<frosch123>tweet it, then i can retweet
16:14<Wolf01>I don't have twitter :P
16:14<andythenorth>I do but not for OpenTTD stuff
16:14<frosch123>i have no idea about twitter, maybe i could tweet from imgur?
16:15<andythenorth>copy link, tweet?
16:15<andythenorth>o_O
16:20<frosch123>it added it as a link, not as an image
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16:32<Eddi|zuHause>clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>and switch the front page to wordpress while at it
16:33<frosch123>does that still exist?
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>how would i know :p
16:34<frosch123>written in php, so no :p
16:34<Eddi|zuHause>oh, i know
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>put the front page into the blockchain!
16:36<frosch123>there are enough idlers who were chained to a block and cannot leave
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16:52<andythenorth>it has been a blockchain kind of day
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16:55<andythenorth>Hog brainache
16:55<andythenorth>python vehicle classes look like the need mixins
16:56<andythenorth>but mixins are _never_ really needed
16:56<andythenorth>so I must be doing it wrong
16:56<Wolf01><Eddi|zuHause> clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item <- just use windows 10 :P
16:57<frosch123>does w10 still need to reboot twice when updating some user-space applications?
16:57<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: i'm never quite sure what you mean when you say "mixins" but i'd say it qualifies as an antipattern
16:58<andythenorth>multiple inheritance
16:58<andythenorth>https://www.ianlewis.org/en/mixins-and-python
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16:58<andythenorth>I used them before, I think they're terrible
16:59<Wolf01>frosch123: why should it does? I rarely reboot even for updates :)
16:59<andythenorth>I used to go for months without rebooting on OS X
17:00<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: ah, i was imagining something even worse...
17:00<andythenorth>now I have to reboot most weeks
17:00<andythenorth>stuff stops working, turn it off and on again
17:00<Wolf01>I have to fully reboot only on patch tuesdays
17:00<andythenorth>what about when your computer just freezes?
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>i rebooted at least once per day the past week, because i bought a game that crashes my system, but i can't really stop trying it out either
17:01<Wolf01>It doesn't
17:01<andythenorth>hmm
17:01<andythenorth>it's a fact of life with macs
17:01<Wolf01>If a process freeze I kill it
17:01<andythenorth>nah, this is the whole device. Either just stops working, or won't come out of sleep
17:01<andythenorth>increasingly frequent
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: whole OS freezing is usually a driver error
17:02<andythenorth>'but the people who make the OS make the hardware'
17:02<andythenorth>:
17:02<Wolf01>It's a feature
17:02<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: monoculture
17:02<andythenorth>I think it's because of the 500% price premium
17:02<andythenorth>500% more defects
17:02<Eddi|zuHause>monoculture is never good
17:02<andythenorth>no competition
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>it might seem great in the short term, but in the long term it just doesn't work out
17:03<andythenorth>oh the price premium isn't 500% :o
17:04<andythenorth>where did all the £500 Dell laptops go
17:04<Wolf01>They now are £1000
17:05<Eddi|zuHause>all the cheap laptop market was lost to netbooks and tablets?
17:05<Wolf01>Yup
17:05<andythenorth>:o
17:05<Wolf01>Cheap notebooks are crap, better buy a tablet
17:05<Eddi|zuHause>so all that's left is full desktop-gaming power in laptop format
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>and that never was cheap
17:06<andythenorth>well that's why Apple think they can charge so much for so little then
17:06<andythenorth>the bottom end of the market has gone
17:06<andythenorth>no downward price pressure :(
17:08<andythenorth>it's only a 140% price premium
17:08*andythenorth hates all technology again :P
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>don't try to live in switzerland...
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>there's like a 300% price premium for items bought in switzerland
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>like, the same ikea product bought in austria or switzerland
17:09<andythenorth>I think we voted to try and live in Switzerland in 2016
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>costs 3 times in switzerland
17:10<andythenorth>post-brexit price rise on high-end products was 20%
17:10<andythenorth>post-vote rather
17:13<frosch123>i remember a proposal for switzerland and scotland to swap their territories, so one could be inside eu and the other outisde
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure that'll work out great
17:21<andythenorth>all for the best
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17:50<frosch123>TrueBrain: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-RC/issues/6355 <- that one adds references to all tasks #1 to #169 :p can we try escaping some characters with ß or `
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17:52<Wolf01>§
17:53<Wolf01>I don't even know why italian keyboard has it... I think nobody even used it
17:53<Wolf01>I would trade it for ~
17:54<frosch123>§ was useful to crash some dos programs
17:54<frosch123>in the dos codepage it was in the control code range < 32
17:55<frosch123>you have no ~ ?
17:55<andythenorth>~~~~~
17:55<Wolf01>I have no ~
17:55<andythenorth>no ~~ :o
17:55<frosch123>andy has no ° :)
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17:55<andythenorth>how do you get files to appear at top of filename list?
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17:55<Wolf01>I have alt+126
17:56<frosch123>what filename list?
17:56<andythenorth>ºªª°
17:56<frosch123>oh ~name ?
17:56<andythenorth>yes
17:56<Wolf01>I use _
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17:56<andythenorth>~tidy
17:56<andythenorth>~junk
17:57<frosch123>Wolf01: your { } look scary
17:57<frosch123>how do you code?
17:57<Wolf01>I do have {}, alt+shift+[]
17:58<frosch123>yes, 3 keys :p
17:58<Wolf01>Also I hate to not have uppercase accented letters
17:59<Wolf01>We extensively use È and there is no key for that on the keyboard
17:59<frosch123>you have so few keys with 3 symbols, but then some with 4
18:00<Wolf01>Before win 8 I had a lot of keys with 3 or 4 symbols
18:00<Wolf01>But keyboards layouts aren't supported anymore
18:01<frosch123>11 keys here have 3 symbols by default, and linux secretly adds some to about every key
18:01<frosch123>also caps lock is compose
18:01<andythenorth>also bed
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18:01<Wolf01>That was quick
18:02<frosch123>wtf. why does french layout have a key with only ² on it?
18:02<Wolf01>Ahaha
18:03<frosch123>it also has ³
18:03<+glx>don't ask, french layout is weird, it's even impossible to write proper french with it
18:03<frosch123>those are third symbols on my keyboard
18:04<frosch123>but no the french layout that key is among scroll lock usability
18:04<Wolf01>We have ç, which is not even used in italian
18:04<Wolf01>I would also trade that key for `
18:04<+glx>I have œ because I use a non default driver
18:05<Wolf01>BTW, I have 56 spare keys on my keyboard, I could make use of them
18:06<+glx>and I can type have accents on caps too, thanks to this driver
18:06<+glx>É
18:06<frosch123>haha, i see some inch-using countries with ¼, ½ and ¾ keys
18:07<frosch123>otherwise the canadian french one looks decent
18:08<+glx>somehow shift+altgr combo doesn't work in kvirc
18:08<+glx>international qwerty is the most complete I think
18:08<+glx>but it's qwerty ;)
18:09<frosch123>haha it has § on the S key
18:10<Wolf01>If there is something that I really hate about keyboards are the ones with the horizontal enter key
18:10<nielsm>§ is customarily used in danish law material
18:10<frosch123>isn't it used in all law material?
18:10<Wolf01>Yes, it is
18:10<nielsm>maybe, I don't read much not in my native language
18:10<Wolf01>Even here
18:10<+glx>it's used in many language as paragraph
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18:13<frosch123>hmm, i thought þ and ¶ were the same thing in lower/upper case
18:13<frosch123>but apparently not
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18:20<Eddi|zuHause>i definitely once knew about Þ and þ being different characters
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18:23<Wolf01>I think I'll > bed too
18:23<Wolf01>'night
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