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00:00<rocky1138>hi all
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00:02<rocky1138>Is there any way to set the UI to be 1.5x in scale? 1x is too small and 2x is too large.
00:10<Eddi|zuHause>that would be great, but it's not easy to do
00:15<rocky1138>Has anyone attempted to make a 3d visualization of openttd, like how some people have done with Vultures
00:16<rocky1138>As in how Vultures made NetHack isometric vs. text based. Could the same thing be done for openttd but with 3d graphics instead?
00:17<Eddi|zuHause>there was a really old transport tycoon for playstation game that was 3D, but i hear it was really bad otherwise
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00:18<Eddi|zuHause>there isn't really anything stopping you from adding a 3D engine to the game drawing code, but you'll not get far with trying to maintain compatibility with all the 2D NewGRFs out there
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00:20<Eddi|zuHause>and if you're willing to scrap those, you're better off just starting a new game
00:20<Eddi|zuHause>which people have done, and they called it "Transport Fever"
00:30<rocky1138>Yeah that's interesting. I wonder if there's a way to build the 3d models dynamically from the 2d data in the NewGRF. I worked with a 3d voxel engine built by SOS that took a side view and a front view and built a 3d voxel model from it.
00:31<rocky1138>Have you ever heard of 3dnes? https://geod.itch.io/3dnes
00:32<rocky1138>Someone was able to generate 3d from 2d NES tiles
00:32<rocky1138>Seems like magic
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00:52<Eddi|zuHause>well, i can totally see how you could build a 3d model from a front and side view, and i even think you could adapt that to the skewed views of vehicles, but then you have other stuff like buildings which only have one view, and station roofs which have curves and hidden areas below them, which you just cannot fill in properly
00:53<Eddi|zuHause>you can make it work in some special cases, but there's really no way you can solve it in the general case
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03:44<andythenorth>moin
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04:48<peter1138>hello
04:57<Pikka>zounds
05:08<andythenorth>:o
05:08<andythenorth>is a pikka
05:08<Pikka>tis
05:09<TrueBrain>is this the moment we start screaming running around naked in the neighourhood? :D
05:09<andythenorth>only if Bjarni also turns up
05:09<Pikka>I didn't know you'd stopped, TrueBrain
05:10<TrueBrain>sssttt, that was our secret!
05:10<andythenorth>so whatsup pikka?
05:10<andythenorth>still BNE?
05:10<Pikka>still BNE
05:10<TrueBrain>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-RC2/issues/14 <- is this an improvement?
05:11<andythenorth>TrueBrain: looks pretty good to me
05:12<peter1138>Dunno what it is an improvement over :p
05:12<TrueBrain>s/RC2/RC/
05:12<TrueBrain>hmm .. escaping dots looks weird in URLs now :D
05:14*Pikka bbl
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05:14<TrueBrain>time to restart import, as I dont like what it is doing to dots :)
05:15<LordAro>TrueBrain: i wonder if it actually needs a link to flyspray beyond the initial message
05:15<LordAro>bit redundant, maybe?
05:15<TrueBrain>this conversation has already been taken place :D
05:15<TrueBrain>but no, not redundant. Each comment has an origin
05:15<LordAro>not quite
05:15<TrueBrain>it is important to mention the origin
05:16<LordAro>that conversation was about removing the footer entirely
05:16<LordAro>i was wondering about just the link
05:16<TrueBrain>fair enough; bit tomato tomato to me :D
05:16<TrueBrain>no, the link is the important part
05:16<TrueBrain>each comment has a source; mention it
05:16<TrueBrain>import can make mistakes etc :)
05:16<LordAro>fair
05:16<TrueBrain>better to allow people to click on it, and see what the source said
05:16<TrueBrain>something something, research education, something
05:17<andythenorth>all CABBAGE removed
05:17*andythenorth making newgrf
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05:18<andythenorth>CABBAGE is the string that shows unrefactored things
05:18<TrueBrain>hmm .. I remember why I didnt want get into this "change the body" shit .. it is shit to do right :P
05:19<TrueBrain>a line that starts with ([\s]+)-, should be replaced with $1\\-
05:19<TrueBrain>you get shit like this ...
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05:28<TrueBrain>okay, another attempt .. this time with less escaping, but enough to make it look pretty, I think ..
05:28<TrueBrain>bonus: it fixes ticket links to GH now :D
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05:28<TrueBrain>(so FS#123 becomes #123)
05:29<TrueBrain>5 hours of import, GO :D
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05:32<TrueBrain>now .. lets upgrade bamboo ..
05:35<LordAro>:o
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05:44<TrueBrain>that host ... still .. runs wheezy ... lol
05:44<TrueBrain>not enough memory to reinstall atm .. meh
05:44<TrueBrain>git 1.7.10 .. lol .. yeah, that is going to be an issue :D
05:45<peter1138>Wheezy :D
05:47<TrueBrain>now the tricky part .. making sure we can still push out a new release, while also going forward :D
05:48<Pikka>if you push it out backwards, you'll go forwards
05:48<TrueBrain>Newtons law, I like it
05:48<Pikka>innit
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06:04<LordAro>TrueBrain: nooo
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06:13<TrueBrain>awh, skipping a version gives weird dependency issues with 'man' :D
06:32<TrueBrain>and of course now grub doesnt want to install ... stupid grub always :P
06:34<LordAro>oh dear
06:48<TrueBrain>I always fail to recover from grub bullshit
06:49<TrueBrain>but after punshing command often enough
06:49<TrueBrain>it magically works
06:51<TrueBrain>haha, my placeholder bug mentions #1234 .. so now 1234 is getting all the placeholder links :D
06:51<TrueBrain>oops!
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06:59<TrueBrain>lets see if it reboots ... always the annoying part :D
06:59<TrueBrain>fsck kicks in .. good sign I guess
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08:36<TrueBrain>frosch123: in OpenTTD-RC2 there is a new issue import currently running; I hope I fixed a few annoyances
08:36<TrueBrain>and you mentioned some issues with weird characters, but I couldnt find a ticket to test on .. so if you have any, lemme know :)
08:37<frosch123>mostly 6355 was silly
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08:39<frosch123>hmm, how do github people do commit/push checks
08:39<frosch123>like eol-style
08:40<TrueBrain>you can hook those things into the repo
08:40<frosch123>or do they just emprace the chaos of mixed eol?
08:40<TrueBrain>you can toy with OpenTTD-RC a bit
08:40<TrueBrain>create a bad PR and see what happens
08:40<TrueBrain>no
08:40<frosch123>i was looking through the settings
08:40<frosch123>but only found webhooks for notifications
08:40<TrueBrain>for example, I enabled the check that demands the PR being a FF
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08:40<TrueBrain>go to Branches
08:40<TrueBrain>click on Edit of Master
08:41<TrueBrain>you have more options there
08:42<TrueBrain>grrrr ... latest Bamboo needs MySQL 5.6 ... we run 5.5
08:42<TrueBrain>seriously
08:43<TrueBrain>no mention about that in the installation guide ..
08:44<TrueBrain>so now I also have to update MySQL, and hope everything still magically works .... ugh ..
08:44<TrueBrain>this can end in horrible tears :P
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08:52<TrueBrain>frosch123: I also think you need a remote service to do those status stuff, but I never used it, so dunno ..
08:52<TrueBrain>but first I now have to fix a MySQL being annoying as fuck
08:54<@Darkvater>can't believe you're still around TrueBrain
08:54<@Darkvater>and why am I still op? lol
08:54<LordAro>osht
08:56<TrueBrain>cant believe you are talking Darkvater :P
08:56<TrueBrain>and that you still remember you credentials to IRC :P
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08:56<TrueBrain>how are you? :D
08:56<TrueBrain>frosch123: I think https://github.com/marketplace has answers
08:56<TrueBrain>no clue
08:57<@Darkvater>my credentials are saved. Would have no idea otherwise; haven't been here in years
08:57<frosch123>well, i just read about .gitattributes
08:57<frosch123>i was not aware that git had LF normalisation
08:57<@Darkvater>still a lurker, still thinking of getting back into ottd. However life caught up :)
08:57<LordAro>yeah, that's really easy with git
08:58<LordAro>also, core.autocrlf
08:58<@Darkvater>moved to HK about 6 years ago now
08:58<LordAro>https://help.github.com/articles/dealing-with-line-endings/
08:58<TrueBrain>HK?
08:58<frosch123>LordAro: my status was that only svn had that stuff, and everyone else said "fix your ide"
08:58<TrueBrain>frosch123: but think about the whitespace at-end-of-line crap! :D
08:58<@Darkvater>crazy isn't it TrueBrain
08:58<TrueBrain>why ... there?!
08:58<TrueBrain>what happened?! :P
08:59<TrueBrain>girl or work? :P
08:59<@Darkvater>my wife happened :p
08:59<TrueBrain>:D
09:00<TrueBrain>always a valid reason ... ;)
09:01<@Darkvater>I actually still have the code checked out. This game is so addictive
09:01<TrueBrain>can a MySQL 5.5 client connect to a MySQL 5.7 server .. hmmmmmm
09:01<TrueBrain>hahahaha :D
09:01<TrueBrain>your credentials should also still be there, so you can just start pushing patches :P
09:02<TrueBrain>ah, no, that is a lie
09:02<TrueBrain>we cleaned up a few months (years?) ago :P
09:02<@Darkvater>:) probably a good thing
09:02<frosch123>probably when switching from svn to ssh+svn
09:02<@Darkvater>my C/C++ skills have become way too rusty
09:02<TrueBrain>no, switching to LDAP I think :P
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09:03<TrueBrain>you are all into PHP now? :D
09:03<@Darkvater>fuck that
09:03<@Darkvater>worse
09:03<@Darkvater>java
09:03<TrueBrain>I was afraid you were going to say dotnet
09:03<TrueBrain>Java is okayish, I guess
09:04<TrueBrain>I am back to C .. been doing Python for a few years now .. so happy to write C again :D
09:04<@Darkvater>the best part is: I've never wanted to do Java and look where I'm now.
09:05<@Darkvater>cant' stand python either. indentation drives me nuts
09:05<TrueBrain>a language is just a language :)
09:05*Darkvater is moaning like a proper old man
09:05<TrueBrain>as long as the job is good, and the people around you are passable :P
09:05<TrueBrain>Belugas would be proud!
09:05<@Darkvater>hehe
09:06<@Darkvater>I see Bjarni's fame is eternal
09:06<TrueBrain>@seen Bjarni
09:06<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 years, 24 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
09:06<frosch123>oh, it is not the piano quote?
09:07<frosch123>i thought the last quote was a link to a yt video about someone throwing pianos with a custom trebuchet
09:07<@Darkvater>I missed irc
09:07<TrueBrain>social visit; bbl
09:07<frosch123>i am sure, when tb is done with git, he will start bothering with discord
09:08<LordAro>@seen Belugas
09:08<@DorpsGek>LordAro: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 51 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Belugas> yeah, a birthday :) a good friend of mine!
09:08<@Darkvater>random question: anyone used lizardfs?
09:08<@Darkvater>I'm looking for a distributed fs to setup my own private cloud using sbc's
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09:50<andythenorth_>channel is time machine today
09:50<andythenorth_>both ways
09:51<andythenorth_>ottd catches up with future
09:51<andythenorth_>old ottd people return :p
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10:02<TrueBrain>frosch123: I tried Discord already .. nobody seemed interested :P
10:02<TrueBrain>+pushing, in there
10:02<TrueBrain>MySQL might go awol for a bit of time ... lets see if it still supports all the DB schemes we use ..
10:05<TrueBrain>frosch123: as OVH is no longer sponsering, do you mind if I remove the OVH stuff from the main page? Or do we have a reason to keep it atm?
10:06<frosch123>no, everyone was wating for someone to do it :)
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10:07<andythenorth_>we could make a new website :p
10:07<frosch123>everyone gladly assigns that project to you :)
10:07<frosch123>anyway, after 1.8 i actually want to look into a new bananas
10:08<TrueBrain>and it is gone
10:09<andythenorth_>I am happy to help
10:09<andythenorth_>anything I do looks like Bootstrap mind
10:09<andythenorth_>but that’s ok
10:09<andythenorth_>also I need a project to learn SASS
10:09<andythenorth_>currently I use LESS
10:09<andythenorth_>but SASS won and my day job needs to switch
10:10<TrueBrain>yup ..
10:10<TrueBrain>still sad about that :P
10:10<frosch123>i actually do not know why we have a website :p
10:10<andythenorth_>because reasons
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10:10<andythenorth_>we just need a couple of static pages imho
10:11<andythenorth_>bbl
10:12<TrueBrain>I think I murdered a VM :(
10:13<TrueBrain>it happens to run MySQL .. it might be a thing ...
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10:15<TrueBrain>some magic later ... STILL ALIVE
10:16<Eddi|zuHause>are you now breaking stuff on purpose just to appear as ahero fixing it?
10:17<frosch123>he does not have access to the power plug
10:17<TrueBrain>I have no clue what I am doing, but it is doing something
10:17<frosch123>the physical power plug
10:17<TrueBrain>I just have a vague end-goal
10:17<frosch123>postgres?
10:17<frosch123>:p
10:18<TrueBrain>not a bad idea
10:18<TrueBrain>but no .. I just want Bamboo 6
10:18<TrueBrain>all I am asking for
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10:20<TrueBrain>as that means I can run Dockers as build-jobs
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10:26<TrueBrain>there are funny things you can add to the PR process on GH
10:26<TrueBrain>coverage checks, but also security checks
10:28<Pikka>yes we have new bananas?
10:30<TrueBrain>I wonder if we should replace our own SSO with GitHub ...
10:31<TrueBrain>as people dont need an account anymore for anything except editing the wiki I guess
10:31<TrueBrain>owh, and eints
10:32<TrueBrain>Feature Request: allow login on eints via GitHub!
10:32<TrueBrain>owh, and BaNaNaS ofc .. pfft
10:33<TrueBrain>too many services which require authentication :P
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10:46<TrueBrain>grub is weird ... exact same issue on this VM as other, same steps dont fix it ... weeiiirrrrddddd
10:46<LordAro>grub does tend to be pretty magic
10:47<LordAro>can't say i've ever had any issues with it on VMs though
10:48<Eddi|zuHause>grub scares me every time
10:48<Eddi|zuHause>on my last system update i was greeted with a "grub rescue>" prompt and a message like "module <whatever> not found"
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>no, it was "symbol not found"
10:51<TrueBrain>okay ........ update-grub -> fails. update-grub --help, shows help. update-grub again, works ..
10:51<TrueBrain>WUTH?!
10:58<TrueBrain>owh, it also changed it into MariaDB
10:58<TrueBrain>what-ever
10:58<TrueBrain>lets see if everything works :)
10:58<TrueBrain>seems to
10:59<TrueBrain>now the MySQL is running again .. lets try to fix grub .. I hate this day :P
10:59<TrueBrain>I wanted to be productive :D
11:07<LordAro>:D
11:08<TrueBrain>very weird issue .. if I execute it by hand, it works fine ..
11:09<TrueBrain>*adds sleep 5*
11:09<TrueBrain>works
11:09<TrueBrain>...
11:09<TrueBrain>*facepalm*
11:09<LordAro>oh dear
11:10<TrueBrain>lets try a reboot ..
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11:12<TrueBrain>okay ... it should be back on its feet ...
11:13<TrueBrain>let me know if anything is not working properly on openttd.org plz :)
11:15<frosch123>is farm supposed to work already?
11:15<TrueBrain>no
11:15<TrueBrain>lolz ... okay, so I went through this trouble to get MySQL 5.6
11:15<TrueBrain>turns out Debian wanted to install MariaDB .. what-ever
11:15<TrueBrain>I assumed that would do the trick
11:15<TrueBrain>turns out .. that reports itself as 5.5
11:16<frosch123>haha :)
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>none of what you said made any sense
11:16<TrueBrain>I would consider that an issue on your side ;)
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11:17<TrueBrain>5.5.9999 .. lol
11:18<TrueBrain>now lets hope the database is still compatible ...
11:20<TrueBrain>it would have been easier to setup a new database tbfh ..
11:22<TrueBrain>and that moment it wants to reset the root password of the database ... wuuuttthhh?!
11:26<TrueBrain>longest openttd.org downtime in years :P
11:28<LordAro>this is what you get for not maintaining the systems for years :p
11:28<TrueBrain>they are maintained; be careful with your remarks there
11:29<LordAro>eh
11:29<TrueBrain>I just had no intention to ever upgrade passed 5.5 for MySQL
11:29<LordAro>i would consider updating them part of maintenance
11:29<TrueBrain>(not as long as we run Django 1.2)
11:29<TrueBrain>there is update, and upgrade
11:29<TrueBrain>there is mainainted, and state-of-the-art
11:30<TrueBrain>owh, jolly good ... mysql start doesnt tell me why it fails to start .. it just doesnt start
11:35<TrueBrain>LordAro: but make no mistakes that most VMs have had their security updates etc .. it is easy to judge from the side .. but just be careful .. 1 thng about SysOp work: people always bitch about what you don't do, they never compliment on what you DO do .. not really ... motivational
11:35<TrueBrain>(and I say this to you, but it holds to a few more people in this channel)
11:36*Eddi|zuHause hides
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11:39<TrueBrain>it seems MySQL 5.7 is wire compatible with 5.5 :P
11:40<@Rubidium>that's sadly the eternal problem of utility jobs, and yes I count IT in the same category as water, electricity and gas
11:40<TrueBrain>or construction ;)
11:40<TrueBrain>I only bitch to the builders of my house ... :D
11:41<@Rubidium>to the builders, or the management of the builders? ;)
11:41<supermop>not to your architect?
11:41<TrueBrain>management, fair enough :)
11:41<supermop>you are supposed to hire an architect to bitch to them
11:41<TrueBrain>I aint hiring an architect
11:41<supermop>then it's the architect's problem
11:41<supermop>:(
11:42<LordAro>TrueBrain: well now i feel bad
11:42<LordAro>i should know better, of course
11:42<supermop>our fee structure is based on us taking the abuse from both client and contractor
11:42<LordAro>TrueBrain: did not mean to imply anything by my words, my apologies
11:43<TrueBrain>LordAro: accepted :) No worries .. sometimes I am just annoyed :P
11:43<LordAro>i do tend to go for the "move fast and break things" type of sysadmining
11:43<@Rubidium>so you're running gentoo?
11:43<TrueBrain>good thing is that Bamboo is now working .. finally
11:43<LordAro>Rubidium: i'm not quite that mad
11:43<LordAro>Arch :p
11:43<supermop>though i am in proces of quitting my job as architect to work for a developer, so i will then get to abuse the architects
11:45<LordAro>speaking of, ooh, clang6
11:45<TrueBrain>now where are my agents! :@
11:46<TrueBrain>they ... crashed .. lol
11:49<TrueBrain>okay .. the build-agents I dont dare to upgrade, as I am afraid no binaries will ever again come out of it :D
11:49<TrueBrain>frosch123: farm is online again :D
11:49<TrueBrain>I forgot .. we still build simutrans nightlies :D
11:49<@Rubidium>and ttdp, right?
11:49<TrueBrain>nope
11:50<TrueBrain>we stopped doing that long long long ago not?
11:50<TrueBrain>are they still alive?
11:50<@Rubidium>well, I guess we stopped that during the migration to bamboo then
11:50<TrueBrain>I think we stopped as there were no commits :P
11:51<frosch123>yay \o/, now we just need a commit of the day to test it
11:52<TrueBrain>now going to install docker slaves
11:52<TrueBrain>and link them to GH
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11:59<TrueBrain>Bamboo wants the password of the GitHub account :o
11:59<TrueBrain>tokens dont work ... wuth?!
12:00<TrueBrain>ah ... no, they do, pfew
12:19<TrueBrain>weird .. GitHub and Bamboo integrate, but not on PR level
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12:30<peter1138>hi
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12:42<TrueBrain>grr, the GitHub Status plugin for Bamboo is not available for the latest Bamboo :D
12:52<TrueBrain>ha! Works :D
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13:00<TrueBrain>now how do we get PRs to work ...
13:03<TrueBrain>seems I do need a custom script for that .. ugh
13:07<TrueBrain>oaky, this needs more work than I would expect ... I really expected things to be a bit further along in terms of integration
13:22<rocky1138>where are you reading this?
13:24<TrueBrain>on the interwebz? Your question is a bit too vague
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13:32<Wolf01>o/
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13:33<sim-al2>is anyone else not seeing results from https://www.openttd.org/en/servers ?
13:33<Chucky2>it seems that master-server is down ..
13:34<TrueBrain>poor Master Server ..
13:34<TrueBrain>he didnt survive the MySQL upgrade? :(
13:34<Wolf01>It sure hates you for that
13:35<TrueBrain>SELECT list is not in GROUP BY clause blablabla
13:35<sim-al2>"people always bitch about what you don't do, they never compliment on what you DO do"
13:35<TrueBrain>:D
13:35*sim-al2 gets introspective
13:36<sim-al2>heh whoops
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13:43<TrueBrain>okay, 2 unrelated errors because of the 5.7 upgrade .. one is a more strict approach of MySQL queries
13:43<TrueBrain>that is solved
13:43<TrueBrain>the other is that the tables need an upgrade .. which is tricky :D
13:44<TrueBrain>just 30 MiB of table data, but it is still busy trying to do it :D
13:44<@Rubidium>didn't the master server survive? The author of that must have messed up seriously
13:44<TrueBrain>the author just messed up some SQL knowledge :D
13:44<TrueBrain>the rest is just MySQL being silly
13:46<TrueBrain>hmm .. it still wants a table upgrade ...
13:51<Wolf01>https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aR37gRA_460sv.mp4 lol, we should make this
13:54<TrueBrain>the tables are invalid :D
13:54<TrueBrain>owh boy
13:55<TrueBrain>2 default values are wrong; I cannot change 1 because the other is invalid. Euh ... yes ... fml
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13:58<TrueBrain>dammit, needs a code update :)
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14:00<TrueBrain>0000-00-00 00:00:00 is no longer a valid DATETIME
14:00<TrueBrain>I mean .. seriously
14:00<Wolf01>No, it's not
14:01<Wolf01>0000-01-01 is
14:02<TrueBrain>no, it's not
14:02<TrueBrain>1000-01-01 is
14:03<TrueBrain>where can I find the functions via phpmyadmin...
14:09<TrueBrain>well, first some food .. MSU is offline till then I guess :(
14:12<TrueBrain>lol .. it tries to fix an ARCHIVE .. it wont succeed :D
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14:14<TrueBrain>it is once again marked as crashed ... I really hate the ARCHIVE shit we started to use :P
14:14<TrueBrain>owh well, first food I said
14:21<Wolf01>Make a new table, copy data, delete old table, rename table
14:22<Wolf01>Don't forget to disable foreign keys first :P
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14:30<Oletimer>I'm having a problem with OTTD, when I build new trains to carry either mail or pax, they won't load at stations even tho the station has many hundred of both available, any suggestions please?
14:31<Eddi|zuHause>you need to refit them first (unless you have wagons capable of autorefit)
14:31<Eddi|zuHause>also, you should check whether you have cargo distribution enabled, then the cargo may want to go to a different destination
14:31<Wolf01>Or if enabled cargodist, check if the cargo wants to go to the trains' destinations
14:32<Wolf01>Eddi is always faster than me :P
14:32<Eddi|zuHause>i don't hear that very often :p
14:33<TrueBrain>okay, MSU is back on its feet :)
14:33<Oletimer>Ok, thanks guys, I'll check that out, whats the best setting to ensure even distribution?
14:35<+glx>could be the orders too
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>for passengers and mail it should be symmetric, and if you feel your trains are too congested you may tweak the distance penalty
14:36<Oletimer>I'll see what I can change, although the earlier trains will load, it's only new trains that won't load?
14:37<Eddi|zuHause>do you use shared orders?
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14:37<Oletimer>not sure i know what shared orders are, sorry
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>if two trains go to the same stations, you can share their orders, by ctrl+click on the other train instead of the destination station when assigning orders
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>that way, it will be easier to modify all trains that share the orders
14:39<TrueBrain>ugh, recovering the Archive database is really shitty .. only 1/8th of the data can be recovered by normal means
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>who needs archives anyway
14:40<TrueBrain>it contains the bananas downloads .. which we used to make a timeline of business
14:40<Oletimer>I've only been using TT about 20 years and it still amazes me what I don't know about it
14:40<TrueBrain>I doubt that script has run in a very long time tbh
14:40<Eddi|zuHause>that happens to the best of us :p
14:42<Oletimer>so, if I 'share' the orders of one the 'old' trains with a new one it should behave normally?
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>it might be, i'm a little fuzzy on the details of cargodist
14:43<Oletimer>ok, i'll try it anyway, thanks
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19:45<GT>In multiplayer I don't see any server, is that a known problem?
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19:53<GT>I don't see any multiplayer server, what is wrong?
19:55<GT>Internet connection is OK, check online content too, but no mplayerservers are shown
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19:56<GT>!who
19:57<GT>Is this chat even functional?
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20:06<rocky1138>yes.
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20:09<GT>Does anybody else have problems with seeing multiplayer servers?
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20:43<LordAro>might help if you stuck around long enough for an answer
20:59<Eddi|zuHause>did TrueBrain manage to break it completely?
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>or is it the usual local networking setup problems
21:01<Eddi|zuHause>i just fell into a time hole, and an hour disappeared
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21:25<+glx>seems to be empty for me too
21:28<Fahrradkette>hi everybody. If I wanted to use that awesome feature of copy&pasting junctions ect. what would I have to do? Would I compile openttd from scratch?
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21:29<Fahrradkette>I'm referring to https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=45488 (probably the one shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FBvTH1hIAk)
21:30<+glx>it's a patch, so yes
21:31<Fahrradkette>thanks
21:33<+glx>and it may not apply cleanly as it's quite old
21:35<Fahrradkette>:(
21:36<+glx>oh there are more recent version it seems, with precompiled binaries
21:39<+glx>but still old
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22:28<Eddi|zuHause>you probably find it in some patchpacks
22:29<Eddi|zuHause>which is probably the easiest route to take
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