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12:23<Pikka>how's carcar, supermop_work_ ?
12:23<supermop_work_>haven't touched it
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13:41<Wolf01>So this evening netflix?
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27999 trunk/src/lang/bulgarian.txt (2018-03-28 19:45:39 +0200 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>bulgarian: 18 changes by kokobongo
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13:58<TrueBrain>awh, signing up for AWS requires a CreditCard .. OpenTTD doesnt have one .. now what? :P
13:58<Wolf01>Use mine
13:58<TrueBrain>you understand the cost that can be charged on it, right? :P
13:59<Wolf01>I need to sign up to azure multilingual app toolkit instead
14:00<Wolf01>They changed the way it works and now requires an account even for self made translations
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14:05<Eddi|zuHause>i don't have a credit card...
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14:58<Pikka>how are we drawing the insides of loco cabs these days? detailed or just black?
14:59<Wolf01>Detailed to the labels on controls
15:09<Pikka>is a toby
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15:13<andythenorth>I automate compositing cargos + vehicles
15:13<andythenorth>and I automated compositing the vehicle from parts
15:13<andythenorth>so now I'm automating creating the cargo sprites
15:14<andythenorth>logical outcome, or batshit crazy?
15:14<Pikka>why not automating
15:16<andythenorth>"eventually I'll be able to create entire newgrfs by clicking just one button"
15:16<andythenorth>or something
15:17<Pikka>well... one button and a certain amount of preparation work. :)
15:20<supermop_work_>Pikka: fire cycle colors at open coal grate of course
15:22<andythenorth>that assumes you can use animation :P
15:23<Pikka>I imagine the fire cycle works in the cc mask sprite... but no ;)
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15:42<supermop_work_>PALLET_CRASH does it make everything in the sprite dark grey?
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15:43<supermop_work_>ie i could not use it to make a 'black' car, because the widows and headlights would also turn grey?
15:44<supermop_work_>also i love that there is a variable for if a vehicle is crashed.. like can i increase cargo capacity of crashed vehicles?
15:44<supermop_work_>composite on sprites of blood and bodies on the pavement?
15:44<Pikka>fo sho
15:44<Wolf01>Maybe you can change the graphics of a crashed vehicle
15:45<supermop_work_>billowing smoke and fire?
15:45<supermop_work_>wailing sound effects
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17:10<test12345>I was playing OpenTTD lately and I'm wondering. How can the train manufacturers deliver trains to your depot when you don't have connection with the outside world?
17:10<test12345>It's kind of a paradox
17:13<ST2>it's a game - real life comparisons are hard to make - it's like on Factorio that the character carry train locomotives on a backpack xD
17:14<test12345>That's very painful
17:15<andythenorth>the depot has a wormhole in it
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17:15<ST2>well, there's the technical explanation xD
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17:17<test12345>Its contruction would cost a bit too much compared to the construction of the actual depot
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17:18<test12345>Even more if the map is big
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17:48<supermop>maybe i should draw transporter sprites finally
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17:54<supermop>its really just two flat beds stacked
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18:33<TrueBrain>I email AWS about asking what they can do for OpenTTD .. and I get a very non-sensible answer in return .. wtf is this shit ...
18:33<TrueBrain>they suggest me to look in a program of theirs, which helps people run events sponsored by AWS ........ WUTH?! :P
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18:37<TrueBrain>then the next suggestion (they had multiple, as my question was clearly too vague, but they repeated the question perfectly fine) is to look into business sales ..
18:37<TrueBrain>but they are also very helpful in linking the getting started ...
18:37<TrueBrain>okay ... lets try the NPO entry, see if they can help ..
18:41<TrueBrain>I can rate replies :D
18:41<TrueBrain>They shouldn't have done that :)
18:41<TrueBrain>*wrote some nice words about not helping me* :)
18:43<TrueBrain>and every form demands you fill in things like addresses, phone numbers, etc
18:43<TrueBrain>I just want to ask a simple question :(
18:44<LordAro>what do you have AWS in mind for?
18:44<TrueBrain>EVERYTHING :P
18:45<TrueBrain>but to start with, they can take care of the link between GH and the build-farm
18:45<TrueBrain>that does fit fine in the free tier btw, but I was asking them to possibilities further down the line
18:45<TrueBrain>for example, could they do the CDN for the content service
18:45<TrueBrain>not saying we should, but could we? What does it cost? etc
18:46<TrueBrain>serverless hosting is a lot easier for a project like OpenTTD :)
18:46<LordAro>i dislike "serverless" as a buzzword
18:47<TrueBrain>that is why I use it in the technical sense :)
18:47<+glx>the buzzword is cloud :)
18:47<TrueBrain>I mean, if all we have to do is upload a BaNaNaS file to an S3 bucket ..
18:48<TrueBrain>that would cut on a lot of scripting and other non-sense
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18:48<LordAro>oh yes, i forget about buckets and such like
18:48<LordAro>i've never really used AWS
18:49<TrueBrain>me neither
18:49<TrueBrain>but it seems they can greatly help us reduce complexity
18:49<TrueBrain>and help us only do stuff that matters
18:49<TrueBrain>instead of bullshit like upgrading to MySQL 5.7 ...
18:50<LordAro>well i don't see how you're going to get away from that :p
18:50<LordAro>not entirely
18:50<TrueBrain>the world isn't black and white
18:50<TrueBrain>now I have to do 100%. If we can cut this to 10% by using AWS
18:50<TrueBrain>that sounds like a 90% win to me :)
18:51<LordAro>i feel it'd be less of an issue if it wasn't all entirely relying on you
18:52<TrueBrain>we searched and looked .. nobody ever helped fixing only a single issue, except for Rb (and some other devs)
18:52<TrueBrain>so you can either hold on to a seemly broken concept
18:52<TrueBrain>or move to a concept that others use, and shows potential :)
18:52<TrueBrain>in general, you can really wonder if "doing it all yourself" is a maintanable goal in this world
18:53<TrueBrain>serverless is a really really good idea for the small
18:53<TrueBrain>do you really want to maintain any httpd ... is that really how you want to spend any of your time ..
18:53<TrueBrain>sure it is "fun" and "educational" ... but that is a novalty issue
18:54<LordAro>eh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:55<TrueBrain>people have this weird "hanging on the past" when it comes to giving away control :)
18:55<TrueBrain>but I really like serverless concept; I want to host a website, not run a LAMP :P
18:56<LordAro>as long as you're ok with being reliant on a 3rd party to actually respond to issues
18:56<LordAro>especially if you're on some free/sponsored tier
18:56<TrueBrain>that is the only issue with clouds these days .. you do vendor-lock yourself
18:57<TrueBrain>but any migration is painful tbh ..
18:57<TrueBrain>either financial or time-wise
18:58<TrueBrain>but, with the same argument that moving to GH is an awesome idea: movement is better than sitting stil
19:00<LordAro>well, the self-hosted option was considered :p
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19:01<TrueBrain>and strongly advised against :)
19:01<TrueBrain>but, movement ;)
19:01<TrueBrain>owh well, pushed my exact same request to another part of AWS now ..
19:01<TrueBrain>lets see what that returns ...
19:01<TrueBrain>if any of you have any knowledge of Open Source projects on AWS, please do drop me a line ..
19:02<TrueBrain>for now, time to get some well deserved sleep .. was a long day celibrating my birthday :D (see how I sneaked that right in there :P)
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19:02<TrueBrain>night :)
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