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---Logopened Wed Jul 18 00:00:39 2018
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04:02<Exec>How do I get a remote server's info (the one that shows up with the current year, etc.) from cli?
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04:20<Alkel_U3>well, there's getdate command
04:20<peter1138>For a remote server?
04:20<Alkel_U3>what do you mean by etc.?
04:23<Alkel_U3>I assumed it means his remote server, to check on it without having to fire up openttd. If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
04:24<Alkel_U3>But yes, should've asked first, assume later :P
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04:47<Exec>[10:23:21] <Alkel_U3> >If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
04:47<Exec>Yup, pretty much that
04:49<Exec>Also, does openttd not have a non-ingame console interface? That ~ key one
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04:54<CTZen>pls tell me reddit s3 ip
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05:00<TrueBrain>yes, I also always join random IRC channels to ask random facts in life :D
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05:31<LordAro>TrueBrain: and then leave immediately, of course
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06:23<andythenorth>this channel is mostly greetings
06:23<LordAro>well whose fault is that?
06:26<andythenorth>couldn't say
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06:34<andythenorth>@seen dorpsgek
06:34<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: I have not seen dorpsgek.
06:34<andythenorth>@seen supermop
06:34<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: supermop was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 6 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <supermop> i want rich tree biome simulation in openttd
06:42<peter1138>@seen commits
06:42<@DorpsGek>peter1138: I have not seen commits.
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07:35<Eddi|zuHause>anyone remember the time when there was commits?
07:38<@planetmaker>\o (continuing the proclaimed trend) ;)
07:40<peter1138>Yeah, there used to be commits.
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08:00<andythenorth>if a commit falls in a forest
08:00<andythenorth>and nobody is there to hear it
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08:08<@planetmaker>andythenorth, that poses the question: is the forest real in that case?
08:08<andythenorth>it does
08:09<SpComb>if you commit without ever pushing, does that commit exist?
08:09<@planetmaker>it's the same as the talk in the forum's development section then ;)
08:10<Sacro>apt-get install nodejs provides openttd, how lovely :D
08:10<andythenorth>ugh development forum
08:10<andythenorth>such a waste of all time for participants :)
08:14<peter1138>Much like our PR list
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08:18<Eddi|zuHause>so, we should shut down the project to prevent everyon from wasting their time on a 20 year old game, which isn't real anyway?
08:18<SpComb>what's wrong with the list of open PRs?
08:20<SpComb>hey, some even have reviews
08:20<SpComb>...okay, one of them does
08:22<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: the project isn't real, how would we shut it ?
08:22<Eddi|zuHause>ok, there's a cat calmly lying next to me, but as soon as i make any move, she will jump up and demand food...
08:22<andythenorth>is this a new type of trolley problem?
08:23<peter1138>Maybe I should dual-boot my home PC again.
08:24<peter1138>Since the last update, the (Hyper-V) VM guest is horribly slow...
08:24<peter1138>And Visual Studio is bloody horrible.
08:25<andythenorth>virtualbox got horrible too
08:25<peter1138>Well, actually the guest is fine, but graphics perform is terrible.
08:26<Eddi|zuHause>in other news, i finally got a DX11 game to run in wine
08:27<peter1138>Will it run on a GPU that doesn't support DX11 in Windows? :D
08:28<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think so :p
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08:28<Eddi|zuHause>but i have a Radeon HD 7750, which is just about DX11 capable
08:28<Eddi|zuHause>with the right drivers
08:30<Eddi|zuHause>that card should be about 5 years old now
08:30<peter1138>Is it not?
08:31<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember
08:32<Arveen>i think that card is from 2011 or 2012
08:32<Eddi|zuHause>seems to be the date i ordered it
08:33<SpComb>design itself will be older
08:33<Eddi|zuHause>it was the newest generation back then, and something in the lower price range
08:34<Eddi|zuHause>82€+10€ shipping
08:37<SpComb>wouldn't run crysis at ultra quality
08:38<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think it runs anything at ultra quality :p
08:39<SpComb>tsk, what a bad deal, the 970 GTX that I bought only costs €50-80
08:42<SpComb>hmm, $329 launch price in 2014... what does that get you now, a GTX 1060 I suppose
08:45<Arveen>i got this fancy TVGA 9000 laying around. 9000 > 1060, so i win ?
08:46<peter1138>Tseng Labs ET6000 woo
08:46<SpComb>right, even the 1060 is now two years old
08:46<SpComb>doesn't sound like a goos time to be upgrading graphics cards
08:48<peter1138>Indeed, the bitcoin bollocks made the high end cards unaffordable right when I wanted one :(
08:48<SpComb>the GTX 1070 is still retailing for like €500, way too expensive
08:48<Eddi|zuHause>i once had an ET4000
08:48<peter1138>And now they are back to where they were, just, but 8 months older.
08:49<SpComb>GTX 1070 launched 2016-08 with MSRP $379
08:49<SpComb>am I just looking in the wrong place or what
08:50<peter1138>Yeah, not the US :/
08:50<Eddi|zuHause>american prices are without VAT and stuff?
08:51<peter1138>That too.
08:51<Eddi|zuHause>my 92€ are 77€ without taxes
08:52<Eddi|zuHause>SpComb: back then i specifically decided to go for the newest generation, as the main reason i wanted a new card was that my old one fell out of driver maintenance, which i felt was pretty short
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>i could have gotten similar-performance-level previous generation for less than that
08:56<peter1138>I "need" a 1080ti for VR.
08:56<peter1138>670 is a bit pants :p
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09:11<SpComb>ok, helps a little if you can tell the difference between a 1070 and 1070ti, but still slightly above MSPR for a 2016 card
09:12<SpComb>doesn't make any sense at all to upgrade from a 970 I suppose
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09:26<peter1138>Probably not at this time.
09:29<LordAro>things are starting to normalise again though
09:29<LordAro>which is nice
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12:02<andythenorth>lo Alberth
12:05*andythenorth working on town cargos
12:05<andythenorth>need some kind of insight :P
12:07<@Alberth>solar panels, I think
12:08<@Alberth>or energy and internet
12:08<andythenorth>is it meat, dairy, fruit, flour?
12:08<andythenorth>or fresh food, processed food, frozen food?
12:08<andythenorth>or is it food, drink
12:09<@Alberth>you don't want too many, unless you want city mayhem :p
12:09<andythenorth>currently there's no rationale for the food-type cargos
12:09<andythenorth>and V453000 will turn up and mock me
12:10<@Alberth>not sure how different fresh food vs frozen food is from transport point of view
12:10<@Alberth>both are refridgerated I guess?
12:10<@Alberth>or could be at least
12:11<@Alberth>you already have alcohol, you need more drink ? :p
12:11<andythenorth>I'd change alcohol to drink
12:11<@Alberth>I like the 1st one best, not sure about the number of different types
12:12<andythenorth>the refrigeration point is useful
12:12<@Alberth>4 seems so much
12:12<andythenorth>maybe food just is food
12:13<andythenorth>the goods cargos are easy to split up, haven't done that yet
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12:16<@Alberth>on the other hand, each industry in a town needs a bit of unique cargo I guess
12:16<andythenorth>toys -> toyshop
12:16<andythenorth>household appliances -> electrical shop
12:16<@Alberth>:o nice castle :)
12:16<andythenorth>coffee -> starbucks
12:16<andythenorth>household chemicals -> general store
12:17<@Alberth>I agree goods make much more sense to make more specific
12:17<andythenorth>furniture -> furniture shop
12:17<andythenorth>I think the nice thing for extreme food is to put in the ingredients
12:17<andythenorth>so sugar beet -> sugar -> food
12:17<andythenorth>grain -> flour -> food etc
12:18<@Alberth>no cake shop eh? :)
12:18<andythenorth>dunno :)
12:18<andythenorth>trying to work out how to do meat pies
12:18<andythenorth>meat + flour -> food processer -> food
12:21<andythenorth>potatoes -> chip factory -> food
12:21<@Alberth>does that need more?
12:22<andythenorth>edible oil
12:22<@Alberth>to chip factory
12:22<@Alberth>but it's a weird cargo, perhaps
12:25<andythenorth>I like it :)
12:25<andythenorth>nice colour for tankers
12:29<@Rubidium>eggs -> blender -> scrambled eggs ?
12:30<TrueBrain>hmmmm ... now I am hungry
12:30<andythenorth>Rubidium: I forgot eggs :o
12:30<andythenorth>embryo livestock?
12:30<andythenorth>maybe I do GMO foods
12:30<andythenorth>and some towns won't accept them
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12:34<@Alberth>:o chicken!
12:34<andythenorth>edible oil + eggs = mayo
12:34<andythenorth>need vinegar though
12:35<@Rubidium>that's just wine that wasn't processed correctly ;)
12:37<andythenorth>excess of people with commit rights in the channel :P
12:38<@Rubidium>andythenorth: everyone in the channel has commit rights!
12:38<peter1138>Not quite.
12:38<peter1138>Excess of people with ability to merge other people's commits :p
12:40<peter1138>If you see some random guy come along with a load of PRs who seems to understand the code, and doesn't ask any questions here, it's probably an alt account to get around the approval stuff :p
12:41<andythenorth>is it winning us much?
12:50<peter1138>Ah but Minecraft 1.13 is out.
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12:58<andythenorth>meh blitz
12:58<andythenorth>ping 60 until red team appears
12:58<andythenorth>then ping 3000
12:58<andythenorth>happens too often to be coincidence
12:58<andythenorth>more like they've messed up
12:58<Wolf01>Because one of red team has shitty connection then everybody adapts
12:59<andythenorth>the packets for 'no tanks' are probably smaller than packets for '6 tanks just appeared'
12:59<andythenorth>but they also had what looked like load issues for much of this year
13:00<andythenorth>I used to code flash games that were fast until you were in hit-detection range of enemy
13:00<andythenorth>then they bogged
13:00<Wolf01>Aaaaand java updater just failed again!
13:00<andythenorth>calculating nothing is faster
13:00<andythenorth>than calculating something
13:00<LordAro>timing attacks are hard
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13:28<TrueBrain>yippie, my runner works, and I can deploy a simple docker now
13:28<TrueBrain>the weather is NOT helpnig :D
13:30<TrueBrain>and I really need more people to give feedback on what this is becoming .. :)
13:32<nielsm>is it become self-aware?
13:32<TrueBrain>it somewhat is :D
13:33<TrueBrain>in the end, this is going to mean that if you accept a PR on a repository named '', staging is updated automatically, and with a press of the button, so is the real
13:33<TrueBrain>that should make updates a lot quicker/easier/etc :D
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13:34<TrueBrain>must-have :)
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16:39<aditsu>hi, I have a problem: big city, atrocious rating, don't have any station and can't build one, and trees don't seem to help (too far from the center I guess), how can I improve the rating?
16:40<aditsu>I thought bribing was disabled, but I guess I don't have enough money
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16:45<Eddi|zuHause>the trees only cont on tiles where no tree was before
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>otherwise, the rating slowly improves over time
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16:47<aditsu>Eddi|zuHause: yes.. I could delete and replant trees, but there are hardly any inside the city, and around it seems ineffective
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