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---Logopened Mon Jul 30 00:00:55 2018
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02:40<andythenorth>o/
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06:39<@planetmaker>\o
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08:43<V453000>yo
08:44<andythenorth>yo V453000
08:47<V453000>how doing?
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08:50<andythenorth>meh
08:51<andythenorth>basically
08:52<V453000>firs megarekt?
08:56<andythenorth>mega
08:56<andythenorth>waiting for 16 in / 16 out to be done
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09:04<SpComb>16 different types of engineering supplies?
09:05<@peter1138>Gears.
09:05<SpComb>copper coils
09:14<andythenorth>yeti
09:14<andythenorth>what is plural of yeti?
09:14<V453000>yetis I guess
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09:29<@Alberth>o/
09:37<@planetmaker>\o
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10:52<nielsm>solved! https://0x0.st/sWm1.png
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10:58<andythenorth>nielsm: \o/ :)
11:00<andythenorth>I guess nml needs patched next :)
11:00<nielsm>frosch123: I think I'll make a separate PR for extended house cargo acceptance, without the callback support
11:01<nielsm>andythenorth: I think my own test grf has already exercised the "basic" new properties, so it's all the callbacks that are interesting to test :D
11:02<andythenorth>yeah
11:02<andythenorth>frosch123 how 'done' is nml -> github? o_O
11:06<frosch123>there were no complains about the author mapping
11:06<frosch123>so i guess the repo is fine, i need to look into issues
11:08<andythenorth>I wondered if there are so few I could manually migrate them
11:08<andythenorth>but I think not :P
11:09<andythenorth>I looked for some that could easily be closed
11:09<andythenorth>not many
11:09<andythenorth>although....
11:09<andythenorth>quite a lot are 'this is the roadmap' and just aren't that useful
11:10<frosch123>if it works once it can be used for any devzone project
11:10<andythenorth>yes
11:10<andythenorth>I hadn't thought of that :P
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11:25<nielsm>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6872 house extended accepts :P
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11:45<nielsm>okay let's try this! https://0x0.st/sWmy.txt
11:47<andythenorth>:)
11:50<frosch123>https://github.com/frosch123/nml/issues/2
11:51<frosch123>i think i need truebrain to whipser me the dorpsgek access token
11:51<nielsm>rebase completed with just two conflicts to resolve!
11:53<Kippers>Oh hey o/
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11:56<andythenorth>:D
12:00<frosch123>https://github.com/frosch123/nml/issues/4 <- added the redmine issue number to the title
12:00<andythenorth>that will cause confusion at some point :D
12:00<andythenorth>due to global vs local numberspace
12:01<frosch123>it makes searching for old issues easier
12:01<andythenorth>yes
12:01<frosch123>should i add a "RM" or something?
12:01<andythenorth>maybe :)
12:01<andythenorth>coop
12:02<andythenorth>devzone
12:02<andythenorth>dunno
12:03<frosch123>i wonder whether planetmaker gets mails, when i link those issues to him
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12:26<FLHerne>Is there any documentation for the 'default' nml properties, i.e. the behaviour when no value is specified?
12:26<FLHerne>(I can't find it)
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12:27<FLHerne>If NML just doesn't create action<n>s then it depends on OTTD behaviour, but I can't find that either
12:31<nielsm>most things are based on "copy existing item and change properties"
12:31<nielsm>so the defaults for everything is littered all over
12:31<FLHerne>Default intro date seems to be '0', which surprised me a bit
12:31<FLHerne>(I assumed it would be 1920 or something similarly weird)
12:32<frosch123>vehicles have no defaults, you need to set all properties
12:32<FLHerne>Blegh
12:32<FLHerne>frosch123: That's clearly not true
12:32<FLHerne> /* cargo_age_period is left at default */
12:32<FLHerne>(unless the official demo files are completely wrong)
12:33<frosch123>it's didactically true
12:33<FLHerne>Oh, that one actually has a default listed on the list'o'props
12:34<FLHerne>"Coefficient of the relative air drag, in arbitrary units. The default value is approximately (8 / max_speed), with max_speed in km/h, clamped to the range 0.004 .. 0.75."
12:34<FLHerne>Now /that's/ the sort of arbitrarily absurd default I was expecting
12:35<nielsm>I wonder why it's the burning towers and not the tanks on the oil refinery that accept oil...
12:36<FLHerne>frosch123: Sadly, it's not useful for what I want to do with it
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12:37<FLHerne>If someone starts editing a property that wasn't previously set, the initial value should obviously correspond to the behaviour with no value specified
12:37<DanMacK>Hey all ltns
12:38<FLHerne>So apparently I need to go and read the source to figure out what those actually are...
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12:40<nielsm>frosch123: worth a try taking +R off the channel again?
12:40<frosch123>@mode -R
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12:41<DanMacK>Bot issues?
12:42<FLHerne>DanMacK: The freenode-mod-spam ones seem to be spreading
12:42<DanMacK>Ahhhh
12:44<nielsm>frosch123: the old industry tile accepts callbacks, should they add or replace tile acceptance? what if the "accepts everything industry itself accepts" flag is set?
12:46<nielsm>I think "replace", including also effectively disabling the out the "accepts all"
12:46<nielsm>disabling the "accepts all" flag
12:47<frosch123>i wouldn't bother with them
12:47<frosch123>they can only address the first 32 items in the cargo translation table, so what does it matter
12:47<nielsm>good point :D
12:50<@Alberth>FLHerne: just invent your own default settings
12:50<FLHerne>Alberth: I should probably do that for now
12:51*FLHerne has a tendency towards depth-first problem-solving... https://xkcd.com/761/
12:52<nielsm>like the reset.css files that set every single property on every single tag
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13:01<@Alberth>sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :)
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13:44<Wolf01>o/
13:45<Wolf01>Did something nice happen this weekend?
13:46<Wolf01>an[tab][tab][tab]... where is the cat?
13:46<frosch123>you need to wait for dm to leave, before cat can return
13:47<Wolf01>Ahaha
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14:02<Wolf01>Ok, now the cat should come in minutes
14:05<Kippers>How do I make the git commit checker check my pull request once more?
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14:06<nielsm>Kippers: the ruble one?
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14:06<nielsm>the issue now (which I forgot before) is that every commit indivudually must follow the style requirements, even if the style issues are fixed by a later commit
14:07<nielsm>so you have to squash your commits together and force-push the branch to overwrite the original commit
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14:24<Wolf01>andythenorth
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14:25<andythenorth>hi Wolf01
14:25<andythenorth>ever broken the end off a big LA?
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14:25<Wolf01>I tried to purchase the cardboard box only, but the seller didn't want to sell it without the Bugatti inside :D
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14:27<andythenorth>:P
14:27<andythenorth>oof
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14:33<LordAro>amazing.
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14:34<@Alberth>it's not the first time :p
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14:35<Kippers>nielsm Ok, so I have to do some git magic?
14:36<Kippers>Gee, I sure don't hope future generations look to my repos as a shining example of how to do git
14:37<andythenorth>oof
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15:08<andythenorth>LordAro:
15:08<andythenorth>oops
15:08<andythenorth>keyboard fail
15:09<LordAro>andythenorth:
15:10<Wolf01>
15:11<Kippers>Huh, I actually made git do what I wanted it to
15:11<Kippers>That's a first
15:14<murr4y>git, not unlike a computer, does exactly what you tell it to do, regardless of what you want
15:22<Kippers>It truly is both a blessing and a curse
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16:02<andythenorth>just 81 more trains to draw for Horse
16:02<andythenorth>and the ones I've forgotten to add
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>as long as the overall trend is negative...
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16:04<andythenorth>so far
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17:29<tigerman>hi I am new to this
17:32<tigerman>how do you get cars and plaines an
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17:37<Eddi|zuHause>yes.
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17:48<frosch123>the bots woke up again :)
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17:49<LordAro>oh dear
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18:37<l2y>With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
18:37<l2y>I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
18:37<l2y>or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
18:37<l2y>Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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18:38<Supercheese>not this again...
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18:46<debdog>prolly some discord (or such) guys trying to drive people away from IRC
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19:08<memoryno->With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
19:08<memoryno->I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
19:08<memoryno->or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
19:08<memoryno->Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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19:09<ST2>well, maybe +R is needed again :(
19:10<Kippers>Most definitely is
19:11<ST2>is peter1138 or LordAro or anyone with rights for it ^^
19:12<LordAro>not i
19:12<ST2>oh, sorry the ping then :)
19:14<ST2>I'm glad our servers use a small network that not attractive to spammers :D
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19:26-!-mode/#openttd [+R] by DorpsGek
19:27<+glx>done
19:28<ST2>thx glx :)
19:28<ST2>it's a pain that unregistered nicks can't join, but all for the greater goo :)
19:28<ST2>good*
20:06<Kippers>If the alternative is bots spamming ads, then yeah
20:09<ST2>well, big networks usually are the targets
20:10<ST2>but, they filter by users on channels, far long I've seen
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