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03:34<Wolf01>o/
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06:19<Samu>how do I retrieve the breakdown speed of an aircraft?
06:26<Samu>more specifically aircraft engine
06:26<Samu>while I still don't own a vehicle of that engine type
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06:59<Samu>could we have a keyword filter for savegame file lists?
06:59<Samu>i have tons of saves :(
07:30<Samu>you gave me an excelent idea yesterday LordAro
07:30<Samu>my own customized valuators
07:30<Samu>gonna create another for aircraft speed
07:49<Samu>oh crap, it's already factored in
07:49<Samu>looks like I don't need a custom valuator for aircraft speed, it's already accounted for
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08:33<Eddi|zuHause><Wolf01> Nice, there are some games with good discount, I could buy even those to add more to the indecision roulette <-- doesn't help that now you can run windows games from linux steam, so you have an even bigger set of games to choose from :p
08:34<Wolf01>:)
08:34<Wolf01>I have like... 860 games now
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>i've avoided getting any random bundles so far
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>i think i have something around 50 games
08:35<Wolf01>But I can't really find one which is the right one to play now, played a bit men of war:as2, but I'm already bored
08:36<Eddi|zuHause>plus all the old games before steam
08:36<Wolf01>Played minecraft and today it gives me motion sickness :S
08:36<Wolf01>Today I feel I would like to play a slow paced intriguing 2D game
08:37<Wolf01>But... which one?
08:37<Eddi|zuHause>i played a bunch of adventures recently
08:38<Wolf01>Let see what steamdb "I'm feeling lucky" button suggests
08:38<Eddi|zuHause>Deponia, The Whispered World, Silence, Anna's Quest
08:39<Wolf01>Meh, I need to install some games
08:39<Eddi|zuHause>then don't click on this free game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/ :p
08:40<Wolf01>Already in my library :P
08:40<Eddi|zuHause>i made the mistake of clicking on "install"
08:40<Eddi|zuHause>... and then it said "50GB to download"
08:41<Wolf01>I uninstalled like 60GB of games this weekend (40 only for shadows of mordor)
08:41<Wolf01>Finished games or games I tried but don't like
08:41<Eddi|zuHause>uh, yeah, i think i tried that like 2 times on free weekends, but it was always unplayable
08:42<Wolf01>It seemed nice... but boring after some hours
08:42<Wolf01>Kill orcs, kill orcs' chief, kill more orcs
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08:43<Wolf01>So, steamdb suggested one of those hidden objects
08:44<Wolf01>2d is 2d, slow paced is... there's no movement at all, intriguing depends on the story
08:46<Wolf01>Bah, steamdb now shows my library as private, when it's chearly not as I was browsing it
08:50<Wolf01>I would play mashinky... if only it had more to play with
08:50<Wolf01>As now, it's like the old TTDlx demo
08:51<Wolf01>(I must say it has a lot of interesting features)
09:00<Wolf01>Any tank game which is not WoT and maybe made after 2004?
09:02<Wolf01>The last one I played was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTanx:_Global_Assault
09:03<nielsm>it's not exactly tanks, but maybe try mechwarrior online if it's still going, at least it's combat in turreted vehicles
09:03<nielsm>team combat*
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09:04<Eddi|zuHause>i don't really play those tank games
09:06<Wolf01>Eh, there's the online part I don't like much, I could play lost planet 3 if I want mechs, but I HATE the boss battles
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09:19<Wolf01>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1670/Iron_Warriors_T__72_Tank_Command/ I could give it a try
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>sorry, i can't help you with that genre
09:24<Wolf01>The only problem is: will that start on Win10?
09:24<Eddi|zuHause>people demanded steam play (aka wine) for windows to get old XP games to run on win10
09:25<Wolf01>If only XP mode actually worked
09:25<Wolf01>Oh, it works well for other softwares, just not for games
09:26<Wolf01>At all
09:27<Wolf01>Also most of the old games have that odd 2gb ram limit, and you can't start them in any way
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>i've honestly no clue
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't tried playing games under win10 at all
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09:48<Eddi|zuHause>anybody have experience on low-level device accessing? i have this SSD which doesn't want to mount. if i attach it, it is detected as a drive, and it gets a device name (/dev/sdg), but i cannot read anything off it
09:50<Eddi|zuHause>i tried hexdump, but it just locks up
09:50<Eddi|zuHause>as in, can't even be "kill -9"ed
09:52<Arveen>tried to DD it with like 10 megabytes of zeros ?
09:53<Arveen>of course this destroys data
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>i don't see how that could work
09:54<Arveen>well just yesterday I had an 100GB SAS SSD which was unable to write partition information during an ESX installation. After zeroing the first 10 megs it worked
09:55<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but i'm unable to READ
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09:57<Arveen>can SMART values be read from the device ?
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>seems to lock up in a similar way
09:58<Arveen>I guess you tried the usual stuff like using another cable/port ?
10:00<Arveen>btw: if smartctl -a freezed you could try hdparm -I as well
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>locks up as well
10:10<Eddi|zuHause>this is the log i get when attaching the disk https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pjj7o4jnk/hzzobw
10:10<Arveen>is that drive yours or a foreign drive ?
10:10<Eddi|zuHause>it's someone else's drive that i have here
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10:11<Arveen>oh, it's connected via USB ?
10:12<Eddi|zuHause>it's an usb-sata connector
10:12<Eddi|zuHause>i could try hooking up to my internal sata controller
10:13<Arveen>I think i'd try to hook it up directly at a SATA port to see what happens
10:13<Eddi|zuHause>probably my computer dying in the process :p
10:13<Arveen>hehe
10:13<Eddi|zuHause>i have the (tiny) computer here that the drive is from, but i have no HDMI cable to connect it to a monitor
10:14<Arveen>some time ago i had some issues with an USB disk connected to a USB3 port, USB2 worked fine
10:14<Eddi|zuHause>maybe i find a VGA cable
10:14<Eddi|zuHause>no, it's unlikely to be the controller's fault, but it might hide some lowlevel debugging information from me
10:14<Arveen>yes
10:15<Samu>207, 335
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11:02<Eddi|zuHause>so... i started a rescue system on the other pc. but switching screens all the time is annoying
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>i tried starting sshd, which it happily does, but i can't log in because there's no password set
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>and i have no clue how to set one
11:03<eirc>passwd
11:06<LordAro>peter1138: you should stop oneupping me
11:07<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, log from rescue system boot: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pdkw56eme/il1hih
11:12<Eddi|zuHause># hdparm -I /dev/sda
11:12<Eddi|zuHause>/dev/sda: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>smartctl: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pazxy6oik/l5yqrf
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>(as far as i can see, this is complete nonsense)
11:25<@peter1138>I reckon it's probably fucked.
11:27<Eddi|zuHause>you're leaning quite far out the window there
11:35<Eddi|zuHause>next problem is, it's some kind of internal OEM serial number that doesn't seem to be covered by the manufacturer warranty
11:35<Eddi|zuHause>so to get a replacement i'd have to go over the PC assembler, which i have no clue who that even was, nor do i have any purchase information
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11:42<GroovyNoodle>Hey guys! How do I make my server load a scenario with specific height/width? How do I add it to the config? And what should I put in map_x and map_y to get the measurements I want?
11:42<GroovyNoodle>All scenario files are of course transfered to the computer hosting the server
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11:45<GroovyNoodle>Okay, figured out the map_x/y. But I can't figure out how to load the specific scenario
11:46<Eddi|zuHause>map_x/y are ignored when loading a scenario, it already stores its own values for that
11:47<Eddi|zuHause>load the scenario the same way you would load a savegame, i think
11:47<Eddi|zuHause>i.e. with the "-g" command line option, or the "load" command from the console
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11:59<GroovyNoodle>Thank you! It works now :)
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12:05<andythenorth>o/
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12:51<Samu>i'm making up a new distance !
12:51<Samu>function WrightAI::SubLocationDistanceManhattan(t0, t1)
12:51<Samu>lol
12:53<Samu>but I still need to figure out something
12:54<Samu>need to fake the distance on horizontal/vertical, the non-axis
12:58<Samu>the aircraft needs to run through 16 sublocations on a tile while going Axis direction, but only needs to run through 8 sublocations on non-axis
12:58<Samu>on axis, the aircraft goes at full speed, on non-axis it goes at 3/4 speed
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14:22<Samu>I figured how to calculate the real fake distance
14:22<@peter1138>real fake?
14:24<Samu>it's something like this https://paste.openttdcoop.org/piwcihsrz
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14:27<Samu>aircraft got a slower speed while going non-axis direction, but the subdistance they got to run on non-axis distance is half of that of an axis distance
14:27<Samu>this returns the real fake distance that the aircraft will run, at least I hope it does
14:28<Samu>axis = 16 sublocations
14:28<Samu>non-axis = 8 sublocations
14:29<Samu>speed at axis = full
14:29<Samu>speed at non-axis = 3/4 of "full"
14:30<Samu>gotta put it to use
14:30<Samu>should be useful to compute the ideal number of aircraft for a route
14:30<Samu>I use this real fake distance instead
14:31<Samu>meh, I'm talking alone :(
14:33<Samu>speaking of real fake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcxdgA90Hk
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15:00<Samu>that return was bad
15:06<Samu>Wormnest: how did you deal with the distances?
15:06<Samu>https://imgur.com/AOYPlZi
15:06<Samu>just noticed distancemanhattan can actually be higher than the aircraft range
15:07<Samu>let me get the tiles coordinates
15:08<Wormnest>Can´t remember exactly but I think I just make a rough guess
15:08<Wormnest>But you can always look up the source of WormAI ;)
15:08<Samu>(89, 29) and (44, 251)
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15:13<Samu>@calc (251-29)-(89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
15:13<@DorpsGek>Samu: 402
15:13<Samu>uh? :(
15:14<Samu>seems wrong
15:15<Samu>@calc (251-29-89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
15:15<@DorpsGek>Samu: 1788
15:16<Samu>something is wrong grr damn me
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15:25<Samu>@calc (89*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
15:25<@DorpsGek>Samu: 1788
15:25<Samu>why am I getting 2844 :(
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15:57<Wolf01>So, what could I play now? I finished the hidden object game before dinner :P
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16:15<@peter1138>Minecraft.
16:17<Wolf01>Nah, I have easily motion sickness today, so Im trying to avoid 3D games
16:17<Wolf01>Or at least first person games
16:18<Wolf01>Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? I would like to show a friend how to play
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16:41<Samu>@calc (251-29)-(89-44)
16:41<@DorpsGek>Samu: 177
16:41<Samu>@calc (251-29-89-44)
16:41<@DorpsGek>Samu: 89
16:43<Samu>@calc 222-45
16:43<@DorpsGek>Samu: 177
16:43<Samu>oh really? ....
16:43<Samu>so the mistake I made was here :( code was correct
16:44<Samu>@calc (177*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
16:44<@DorpsGek>Samu: 2844
16:44<Samu>there.... 2844
16:44<+glx>@calc 251-29-89+44
16:44<@DorpsGek>glx: 177
16:44<+glx>- and - makes +
16:47<Wolf01>Math...
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17:04<Samu>i think i can change that 48 to 12
17:05<Samu>gives me smaller numbers, and still all without comma
17:09<Samu>can even make it shorter
17:09<Samu>12/4 = 3, 12/3 = 4
17:10<Samu>return dx > dy ? (dx - dy) * 3 + dy * 4 : (dy - dx) * 3 + dx * 4;
17:17<Samu>@calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
17:17<@DorpsGek>Samu: 2844
17:18<Samu>@calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*3 + (89-44)*4
17:18<@DorpsGek>Samu: 711
17:23<Samu>@calc ((50-0)-(0-0))*3 + (0-0)*4
17:23<@DorpsGek>Samu: 150
17:26<Samu>@calc ((37.5-0)-(37.5-0))*3 + (37.5-0)*4
17:26<@DorpsGek>Samu: 150
17:26<Samu>success!
17:28<Samu>fake real distance is the same, no matter if going axis or non-axis, just what I wanted
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17:48<Eddi|zuHause><Wolf01> Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? <-- i find that somewhat unlikely
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18:11<Samu>https://imgur.com/pAMHSEu
18:11<Samu>there's really no correlation between them :(
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18:33<Samu>i still dont know what to call this function, a decent name
18:33<Samu>DistanceRealFake
18:33<Samu>sounds dumb
18:33<Samu>any suggestions?
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18:41<acklen>TrumpianDistance()
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18:45<Samu>hehe
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