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01:54<andythenorth>moin
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04:27<andythenorth>oof
04:28<andythenorth>the stupid things I do for easter eggs :)
04:28<andythenorth>in Horse
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04:53<Wolf01>o/
04:59<andythenorth>o
04:59<andythenorth>yo
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05:59<Wolf01>Mmmh in Factorio I wonder if there's a way to tell in a blueprint what goes on a belt
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06:30<andythenorth>Wolf01: minis https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth
06:31<Wolf01>Child#1?
06:32<andythenorth>me
06:32<Wolf01>:D
06:32<andythenorth>for child #2
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06:34<andythenorth>bbl
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06:40<Samu_>what is the plane speed factor for WAS?
06:40<Samu_>the recommended
06:43<Samu_>I assumed 1/4
06:44<Samu_>av8 recommends 1/1
06:44<Samu_>vanilla are 1/4
06:44<Samu_>are there other aircraft sets?
06:44<Samu_>ST2: do you know?
06:48<Samu_>jesus, the cost of some was aircraft is overly prohibitive
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07:09<Samu_>how can an aircraft with 100% reliability break down?
07:09<Samu_>speaking of which, why doesn't reliability decay?
07:09<Samu_>there's something wrong with this newgrf
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07:12<Samu_>it decayed abruptly to 80% in 1 step
07:12<Samu_>100% to 80%
07:13<Samu_>something's fishy
07:18<Samu_>I don't think I can trust World Airliners Set as a reliable NewGRF
07:19<Samu_>models expire the same year they're released
07:19<Samu_>weird stuff
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08:29<Samu_>my AI reached 5000 aircraft for the first time
08:29<Samu_>success!
08:30<Samu_>https://imgur.com/S8Y7T0W
08:30<Samu_>can't get him to get 5000 road vehicles though :(
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10:11<Samu_>it's funny
10:12<Samu_>why do I always find problems and bugs after uploading
10:12<LordAro>that's quite common :)
11:04<Samu_>crashes when there are no bus models available at all
11:04<Samu_>working on a fix
11:05<Samu_>should also crash for mail trucks
11:06<Samu_>ai wasn't smart enough, started construction of a road route without any bus model available, waste of money and effort
11:09<Samu_>the articulated code could be improved
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11:09<Samu_>build drivethrough only if there's only articulated engines
11:09<Samu_>something like that
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12:49<Samu_>found typo
12:49<Samu_>https://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/classAIRoad.html#9150ac89121ae1ca4778eb13ac7995c7
12:49<Samu_>Precondition: IsRoadTypeAvailable(railtype)
12:49<Samu_>railtype?
13:05<Samu_>it really should be possible to know refit prices beforehand :(
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13:09<LordAro>Samu_: documentation typo, i bet
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13:12<Samu_>i'm trying to estimate a road cost
13:12<Samu_>the entire route
13:13<Samu_>with at least 2 road vehicles
13:13<nielsm>oh cool, a full replica of the first locomotive in denmark was unveiled today: http://www.jernbanen.dk/forum/index.php?id=132814
13:13<Samu_>but I can't find a way to get refit costs
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13:42<andythenorth>moin
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14:19<Samu_>very funny stuff... found a bug in wrightai
14:20<Samu_>getting cargo production of passengers wasn't working as i intended
14:20<Samu_>should be getting 70 for passengers, 18 for mail
14:20<Samu_>turns out it was always using 18
14:21<Samu_>the funny thing is that now that I made it work correctly, 70 is a too high number and no airports are built
14:21<Samu_>lel
14:22<andythenorth>stupidity https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9107/easter_horse.png
14:22<andythenorth>the hoppers swap from grey to brown if flipped
14:22<andythenorth>the CC is random
14:22<andythenorth>BAD EASTER EGGS
14:23<Samu_>the engine is reversed?
14:23<Samu_>train 107
14:25<andythenorth>engines are reversible
14:25<andythenorth>sometimes
15:00<Samu_>AIList.SORT_DESCENDING is true or false?
15:02<Samu_>doesn't make sense
15:04<Samu_>https://imgur.com/9QLFLaQ look at the airport at Marningwell Valley
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15:04<Samu_>production at that tile is 0
15:04<Samu_>i used SORT_DESCENDING
15:04<Samu_>why then it builds at 0?
15:05<Samu_>testing SORT_ASCENDING brb
15:07<Samu_>SORT_DESCENDING was correct
15:07<Samu_>must be something else
15:09<Samu_>oh right... the is_friendly is influencing
15:09<Samu_>dumb me
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16:52<Samu_>how do I get the passenger + mail capacity of an aircraft?
16:52<Samu_>my estimator only retrieves passenger portion
16:52<Samu_>miscalculates viable aircraft
16:53<Samu_>into unviable
16:53<Samu_>because... reasons?
17:04<nielsm>looks like that's not possible
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17:13<Samu_>perhaps there is a way
17:13<Samu_>a lame workaround
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17:18<Samu_>oh crap, newgrf's getting in the way
17:18<Samu_>there isn't
17:38<Samu_>it sucks that there is no way to get the refit cost of an aircraft
17:38<Samu_>have to use clone
17:38<Samu_>that would require me having an aircraft already
17:38<Samu_>already refited
17:41<Wormnest>Can´t you use test mode
17:43<Samu_>yes, but i need to have the aircraft bought
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17:43<Samu_>aircraft costs 50000, refitting to mail costs 6000
17:43<Samu_>i wanna estimate the cost of building an aircraft refitted to mail
17:44<Samu_>can't do it, without buying the aircraft first
17:45<Samu_>there is a way with clone vehicle, but requires me to have the same model of aircraft already refitted
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17:45<Samu_>if I am doing this for the first route/engine, i'm screwed
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17:47<Wormnest>Just make a rough guess until you know the real costs
17:47<Samu_>inflation ruins the cost estimators
17:47<Samu_>:(
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17:57<Samu_>i'm gonna change the unprofitable rules a bi
17:57<Samu_>t
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18:01<Samu_>set them a bit more loose
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18:47<Samu_>v2 uploaded
19:17<Samu_>tfw mail aircraft profit more than pass aircraft...
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19:48<Samu_>how long will my ai survive with inflation?
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23:23<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] thexa4 opened pull request #6905: Fix #6622: Fixes empty company name in news when gamescript constructs a town https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6905
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