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01:12<Mutron9050>What is this
01:12<Mutron9050>Hi
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02:22<LordAro>20s
02:22<LordAro>nice
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02:52<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxait
03:06<LordAro>ideally this would go in a bananas repo... but that doesn't exist yet
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04:04<@peter1138>hi
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04:41<Arveen>good morning d00ds
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09:10<@planetmaker>moin
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09:16<Xaroth>sup planetmaker
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11:46<@planetmaker>quak :)
11:46<frosch123>moo
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12:00<andythenorth>such Truebrain? o_O
12:00<frosch123>did you try musa?
12:01<andythenorth>no I did not, but that is a good call
12:01<andythenorth>something like this happened once before
12:01<andythenorth>I had to use musa for uploads for a short period
12:04<LordAro>frosch123: you should have access to the server with the logs on it, right? we could try to diagnose the issue...
12:04<frosch123>nope
12:04<frosch123>i am only devzone admin
12:05<andythenorth>afaik it's rubidium and TB
12:05<andythenorth>I don't know about others
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12:13<frosch123>i can tell that the disk is not full
12:13<frosch123>but the log files are from another group
12:15<Eddi|zuHause>whenever anyone says "musa" i must think of that running gag from bad boys (2?) with rubbing your ears and say "wusa" to calm down
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12:19*debdog thinks of Wurstsalat
12:19<frosch123>ETA for "disk full" is 50 years. V has disappointed :)
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13:05<Eddi|zuHause>clearly, any value >6 months means you wasted ressources prematurely :p
13:05<Eddi|zuHause>you must use cloud/blockchain/agile/AI/cyber...
13:06<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure i missed a lot of misplaced buzzwords
13:14<andythenorth>you did ok
13:14<andythenorth>we don't just talk about blockchain though
13:15<andythenorth>we also talk about distributed ledgers
13:15<andythenorth>and coins
13:15<andythenorth>big data
13:15<andythenorth>ML
13:15<andythenorth>containerised
13:15<andythenorth>containerless
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14:01<Wolf01>o/
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14:04<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxait
14:04<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxV7l
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14:13<Wolf01>Meow
14:13<andythenorth>funny noise for a wolf
14:14<Wolf01>I have a new cat
14:14<Wolf01>I can blame it
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14:20<andythenorth>so what I wondered
14:20<andythenorth>actual dev is in pretty good shape
14:20<andythenorth>127 merged PRs since April
14:21<andythenorth>but the infra seems to have huge bus factor
14:21<andythenorth>so I wanted to write a forum post / openttd front page post
14:21<andythenorth>to see if we could recruit people to work on infra
14:21<andythenorth>I think it's quite a good pitch for people at student age
14:21<frosch123>last time that gave zero replies
14:22<andythenorth>well it might be like the devops engineer hires everyone is trying to do
14:22<andythenorth>no replies
14:22<andythenorth>but actually what TB is working on is pretty attractive
14:22<andythenorth>docker, kubernetes, github, CI, jenkins etc
14:22<andythenorth>are all the good buzzwords
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14:23<andythenorth>but I don't know if TB is actually prepared to fgive give anyone keys to kingdom
14:24<frosch123>random people will definitely not get to current stuff :)
14:24<frosch123>but everyone can fork the compile farm on gh and complete it
14:24<andythenorth>you know I might still have devzone SSH? :P
14:24<andythenorth>I hope not but eh
14:25<frosch123>well, if you can find people to add github authentication to eints :)
14:25<frosch123>ideally in a way so that i can reuse it for bananas
14:26<andythenorth>:)
14:27<andythenorth>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6940#event-1912959799
14:28<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxVFv
14:29<TrueBrain>I take your fanks and raise you a tail
14:29*andythenorth wonders if we have more infra plan than in the trello
14:29<andythenorth>let's see
14:30<andythenorth>so this is like a totally vanilla thing that people do? https://trello.com/c/b48ER0VU/25-migrate-to-letsencrypt
14:30*andythenorth trying to see if there are any equivalents to 'good first issue' for infra
14:31<TrueBrain>good first issues: make a (new?) website which works from a docker :P
14:31<andythenorth>the bananas is all here? https://github.com/frosch123/bananas2/blob/master/docs/overview.md
14:31<andythenorth>didn't we argue out what the website should be like twice before?
14:32<andythenorth>ha ha TB trolled himself https://trello.com/c/iizhksNO/30-make-openttd-mmo-capable
14:32<TrueBrain>what also works: a docker which runs the MSU and has a nice website to show the current state of servers
14:32<TrueBrain>andythenorth: troll? You know me so little :(
14:33<andythenorth>I ma really hazy on the infra and how it connects
14:34<andythenorth>maybe I should try and draw it then you can laugh at my drawing
14:34<TrueBrain>why? just pick any item, make a container around it, and show it :P
14:34<frosch123>andythenorth: i am currently not asking for contributors to bananas. i have way too many projects (at work), where i need to tutor people. i need something to mess with on my own for once
14:35<andythenorth>that's exactly how I feel about newgrf
14:35<frosch123>but eints, nml-compile farm, ... all free to take
14:35<andythenorth>it's my mess, I don't have to collaborate
14:35<TrueBrain>openttd-compile farm!
14:35<andythenorth>come on then TrueBrain, how do we make it fun
14:36<andythenorth>the current trello just looks exactly like my day job too
14:36<andythenorth>except I at least have paid employees there
14:36<andythenorth>50% fewer than are needed
14:36<andythenorth>but eh
14:36<TrueBrain>infra is like a real day job, sadly :P
14:36<andythenorth>hey we could ISO 27001 OpenTTD?
14:36<andythenorth>o_O
14:36<andythenorth>that I could do for fun
14:36<andythenorth>shall I pay for it?
14:36<TrueBrain>you can do the open-source-bus-factor thing if you like
14:37<andythenorth>most things are bus factor 1
14:37<andythenorth>in my experience
14:37<TrueBrain>not many stuff is, honestly
14:37<TrueBrain>everything I know of is at least 2+
14:37<TrueBrain>still not great
14:37<TrueBrain>but meh
14:38<andythenorth>I think I have a joke about if the bus hits one, the other then has to do all the paperwork
14:38<andythenorth>but it doesn't quite flow
14:38*andythenorth has ISO audit soon, it's a paperwork world
14:38<TrueBrain>just hope nobody bombs the Netherlands :P
14:38<andythenorth>I often hope that
14:39<andythenorth>in my prayers every day
14:39<frosch123>invest into dikes
14:39<andythenorth>that's what started capitalism apparently
14:39<andythenorth>dikes
14:39<andythenorth>community shares in them
14:39<andythenorth>open dike tycoon
14:39<andythenorth>dike railtype grf
14:39<frosch123>money unit should be tulips then
14:39<andythenorth>bulbs
14:40<andythenorth>bulb futures
14:40<frosch123>oh, TB means tulib bulbs?
14:41<andythenorth>maybe
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14:42<TrueBulb>ok enough dicking around
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>really should be FalseBulb?
14:42<TrueBrain>@kick TrueBulb stop dicking around
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14:43<TrueBrain>*giggles like a child*
14:43<andythesouth>always funny
14:43<TrueBrain>I agree
14:43<TrueBrain>@kick Xaroth so does he
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14:43<andythesouth>TrueBrain: so I might write in forums in the 'we moved to github' post
14:43<andythesouth>TL;DR 127 PRs merged, all is awesome
14:43<andythesouth>please send infra codez
14:43<andythesouth>etc
14:43<andythesouth>like, that trello, is overwhelming amount of things
14:43<TrueBrain>that, or get me some time off :P
14:44<andythesouth>I offered you employment
14:44<andythesouth>4 days / week
14:44<andythesouth>Fridays off
14:44<TrueBrain>10k a month? :P
14:44<andythesouth>10k Tulip Bulbs yes
14:44<Eddi|zuHause><andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords <-- the issue is generally not the buzzwords, but to use the right ones at the right task
14:45<andythesouth>Eddi|zuHause: I think that's agile information delivery
14:45*LordAro waves
14:45<andythesouth>in a context appropriate methodology
14:45<frosch123>@calc 10*12.50/50
14:45<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 2.5
14:45<andythesouth>with temporal awareness
14:45*TrueBrain gets his axe, cuts off LordAro's arms .. NOW TRY WAVING AGAIN
14:45*LordAro stubs
14:45<TrueBrain>I can still kill you, COME BACK HERE
14:46<TrueBrain>such a fun movie :)
14:46<andythesouth>did planetmaker find us a macOS maintainer?
14:46<TrueBrain>I read Bjarni was coming back
14:46<frosch123>it's required to understand python's gh bots
14:46<LordAro>@seen bjarni
14:46<@DorpsGek>LordAro: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
14:47<frosch123>@seen petert
14:47<@DorpsGek>frosch123: petert was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <PeterT> See you in 5 years! I'll be done with the my Dental school by then
14:48<andythesouth>2 years to go
14:48<frosch123>oh, 1.5 years left
14:48<andythesouth>I don't get all this
14:48<andythesouth>when I went to university
14:48<andythesouth>I didn't work much on my degree work
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14:49<andythesouth>I learnt photoshop, dreamweaver, director, bryce 3D, after effects and video editing
14:49<andythesouth>also photography
14:49<andythesouth>and I read a lot of books
14:49<andythesouth>also Unreal Tournament
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15:07*Xaroth throws a Fedo at TrueBrain
15:07*TrueBrain throws a sudo back
15:08<TrueBrain>Xaroth: where is the ardite chicken?
15:08<andythesouth>hm
15:08<andythesouth>so 127 PRs merged since April
15:08<andythesouth>wonder what happened for previous 2 years
15:08<andythesouth>frosch123 kept the lights on
15:08<andythesouth>peter1138 went on one or two patch sprees
15:08<andythesouth>and the rest was translation commits
15:09<Xaroth>TrueBrain: didn't you eat those?
15:09*andythesouth wonders if there's a number to compare
15:09<andythesouth>probably if I could filter git log :P
15:09<TrueBrain>commits?
15:09<andythesouth>yes
15:09<frosch123>we can have a second 25k party at some point
15:09<andythesouth>I can probably just paste git log into excel and count with my fingers
15:10<TrueBrain>..... whhhyyy ..... omggggg
15:10<TrueBrain>ITS RIGHT THERE THEN! Omg
15:10<andythesouth>like, even without CF, moving to git = massive success
15:10<andythesouth>github *
15:10<TrueBrain>now people just need to keep up with the reviews :P
15:10<TrueBrain>20+ open PRs .. :D
15:10<andythesouth>ah
15:10<TrueBrain>we need a better workflow :P
15:10<andythesouth>but filter by 'awaiting author' :)
15:10<andythesouth>it looks better
15:10<TrueBrain>I wonder what GitHub Actions are going to be :)
15:11<andythesouth>oh https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22waiting-on-author%22+
15:11<andythesouth>oh yes samu added a shitload of PRs
15:11<andythesouth>I remember
15:11<LordAro>TrueBrain: i saw that, looks quite interesting
15:11<andythesouth>it was about 6 that weren't blocked on author
15:11<andythesouth>then there was a flood
15:11<LordAro>possibly a gitlab-ci competitor
15:12<TrueBrain>yeah ... I tried to implement our own, but it is not easy
15:12<TrueBrain>many variables
15:12<TrueBrain>so if they supply it .... that would highly improve efficiency
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15:13<andythesouth>oof now I am actually trying to count git commits
15:14<andythesouth>let's google
15:14<TrueBrain>git log | wc -l
15:14<TrueBrain>git log -1 | wc -l
15:14<andythesouth>SO says git rev-list HEAD --count
15:14<andythesouth>but ok
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15:14<TrueBrain>why is your Security Officer telling you things?
15:15<TrueBrain>why is your Significant Other telling you things?
15:15<andythesouth>I always paste whatever my Security Officer tells me
15:15<andythesouth>into my shell
15:15<andythesouth>with sudo
15:15<TrueBrain>curl ... | sudo bash -
15:15<Wolf01>Lol
15:17<andythesouth>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/potfqlpua/41fio8/raw
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15:45<andythesouth>244 since April 2018, 135 in the year before that
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15:49<Eddi|zuHause>so we prolonged "openttd is dying" for a while?
15:49<TrueBrain>how do you like your glass half empty?
15:50<Eddi|zuHause>now if only we had nightly builds, so people could actually test stuff :p
15:50<TrueBrain>now if only we had active users, not the judging doing nothing ones :P
15:50<andythesouth>we do
15:51<andythesouth>just only a few
15:51<andythesouth>TrueBrain: you might have missed it, but Eddi|zuHause actually made a commit
15:51<TrueBrain>I saw
15:51<TrueBrain>I had to double check
15:51*Xaroth gasps
15:51<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause with a GitHub account
15:51<Xaroth>A whole commit?
15:51<TrueBrain>the world stopped spinning for a moment :)
15:51<TrueBrain><3 Eddi|zuHause :)
15:51<andythesouth>while I do genuinely appreciate eddi's armchair advice
15:51<andythesouth>I like the commit more
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>you act like i changed more than 5LOC
15:54<Eddi|zuHause>well, i changed like 10, and then changed 5 back because i was trying to do too many things at once
15:57<andythesouth>TrueBrain: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=83056&p=1213870#p1213870
15:57<andythesouth>lacks gifs
15:57<andythesouth>Eddi|zuHause: it was a clean fix to an actually annoying bug :P
15:57<andythesouth>what more could we want?
15:58<andythesouth>I bold some stuff in that post, for effect
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15:59<Eddi|zuHause>use "[list]" and "[list=1]" bbtags?
16:00<TrueBrain>andythesouth: realise your "bananas" issue could be very local
16:00<andythesouth>there I went font crazy
16:01<TrueBrain>over the years, we more often had one or two person where it didnt work, while for others it did just fine
16:01<andythesouth>it was reproed by neko in forums
16:01<andythesouth> obvs that doesn't mean broken for all
16:01<TrueBrain>;)
16:01<TrueBrain>but as long as musa works
16:01<TrueBrain>I am not fuzzed
16:01<TrueBrain>and you forgot to use the buzzwords!
16:01<andythesouth>I haven't tried musa yet, too busy doing words type things
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>andythesouth: honestly? the other post was easier readable...
16:01<TrueBrain>kubenertes, cloud, .... ;)
16:02<andythesouth>Eddi|zuHause: too much fonts>?
16:02<andythesouth>I think too much
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>like these youtube videos that spell out the words they talk, but each word is in a different size and direction
16:02<TrueBrain>nothing alcohol cant fix
16:02<andythesouth>my inner font nerd is crying
16:03<Xaroth>Look, I contributed
16:03<Xaroth>now TrueBrain will be really afraid.
16:03<andythesouth>why do I hate bbtag format so much? :P
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>because you are too biased towards md?
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i think worse than the fonts is the empty lines
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>like those news sites that start a new paragraph every 2 sentences
16:04<andythesouth>you will make me put in the bbtags :(
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>i can't read those...
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16:07<andythesouth>ok I did reformat it
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16:09<Eddi|zuHause>https://naoris.com/ my buzzword meter just exploded...
16:10<andythesouth>sounds like an awesome malware solution
16:10<andythesouth>"The need for any kind of trust in centralized tools and decision makers disappears, relying instead on a decentralized consensus mechanism which registers and acts on information in real time reacting to threats and unexpected changes to secure states."
16:10<andythesouth>so if I can afford 51% of computing power
16:10<andythesouth>I win your devices
16:11<andythesouth>then I use those to win more devices
16:11<andythesouth>then I win world
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>isn't that what happened to bitcoin?
16:14<andythesouth>oof now what?
16:14<andythesouth>time to put recycling out?
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16:18<@peter1138>sup
16:18<@peter1138>Are we dead?
16:18<andythesouth>only nearly
16:21<@peter1138>Ok
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16:23*peter1138 ponders updating GPU drivers.
16:23<LordAro>an peter1138
16:24<andythesouth>at least it's only one
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>i fried hacked peter earlier today
16:28<@peter1138>Pardon?
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