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06:22<glavinics>Hi, question regarding the "cleanup+moving to git" in general as I am totally new: Is there any plan to introduce cmake instead of simple make and with this support the cross platform compilation, it would support to generate visual studio and xcode project as well?
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06:36<Xaroth>glavinics: You can always send in a PR
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06:50<FLHerne>glavinics: FWIW, the current buildsystem already generates MSVC projects
06:50<FLHerne>glavinics: See projects/generate.vbs etc.
06:51<FLHerne>(using CMake probably would save a lot of awkward custom code there)
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07:23<LordAro>glavinics: there is a mild plan to convert the build system to cmake - i think my branch is the most up to date: https://github.com/LordAro/OpenTTD/tree/cmake
07:23<LordAro>it's not a high priority
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08:37-!-automatical [~automatic@156.223.180.136] has quit [autokilled: Vulnerable SSH daemon found on this host. Contact support@oftc.net for assi09:08 < glavinics> thanks, I'm going to check this branch
09:12<LordAro>it's very very incomplete
09:12<LordAro>i did get it into a compiled state, can't remember whether i ever finished adding any video libraries
09:13<LordAro>which makes it a bit fun for usability :)
09:13<LordAro>glavinics: ^
09:14<glavinics>I'm new so everything is good for practice and get familiar with the environment, no worries :)
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09:39<ST2>oh, we're almost on the time for scary things :D
09:39<ST2>https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aLgQ3bv_700b.jpg
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10:29<nielsm>not quite transport tycoon, but fine video on "video game industry and logistics is so wrong" :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LysiXf-DJU
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11:45<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not sure i should have watched that
11:46<nielsm>disillusioned? :)
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12:16<yellyFish>hello :)
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12:36<@planetmaker>o/
12:42<yellyFish>I have been trying to measure some functions with the in-game framerate thing but can't seem to make it work. i added a new row for it in framerate_gui.cpp and in framerate_type.h but still nothing. I just get a 'Game loop' row in blue in the frame rate window
12:43<yellyFish>It compiles fine and all
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12:44<nielsm>you need to add a bunch of things in different places, in the right order
12:45<nielsm>and most or none of it is sanity checked at compile time
12:46<nielsm>can you make a diff of your changes and put it on a pastebin?
12:46<nielsm>(or a branch on github)
12:46<yellyFish>yeah. the thing is i am doing this with JGRPP
12:46<yellyFish>but i don't think it changes that much
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12:47<yellyFish>i'll do a diff
12:54<nielsm>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/e00908f5e900ac5314930b2775eb38f91a6c4abe#diff-0feed7269f2b37a39d2b49632a02cdfeR397
12:54<nielsm>wtf
12:54*nielsm blames orudge
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12:56<yellyFish>https://pastebin.com/wAEj9wYp
12:59<nielsm>you also need to add the string to english.txt
12:59<nielsm>for the GUI window
12:59<Eddi|zuHause>usually people make "unified diff"s, because they are a lot more readable
12:59<nielsm>and yes that
12:59<Eddi|zuHause>also, versioning tools like git make those by default
12:59<nielsm>if you're using git, use the 'git diff' command
13:01<yellyFish>i have been learning git with my own little toy projects, but i don't know if it's possible to use it with not the newest version to test on the same version of the server
13:01<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that's easy
13:02<nielsm>git diff <- makes a diff of unstaged, uncommitted changes
13:02<Eddi|zuHause>just "git checkout <hash>"
13:02<nielsm>git diff --cached <-- makes a diff of stages, uncommitted changes
13:02<nielsm>git diff <revisionorbranchname> <-- makes a diff from current committed version to that commit
13:02<Eddi|zuHause>the hash is in the server version "OpenTTD g<hash>"
13:03<LordAro>nielsm: i found https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33271273/msvc-fails-on-static-assert-on-struct-member
13:03<Eddi|zuHause>instead of a hash you can also use a tag
13:03<LordAro>no mention of if it's been fixed in 2017
13:04<yellyFish>uhhh, let me try this english.txt thing first
13:06<Samu_>2015 update 3 is what I use I think
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13:09<Wolf01>o/
13:09<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #6911: Codechange: Improve (un)zoom performance https://git.io/fx9ff
13:09<yellyFish>\o
13:14<yellyFish>welp. at least it shows the name. but it shows 0.00 ms but that's not possible because i know this function is used a lot
13:14<nielsm>LordAro, would you prefer solving that compile error via removing the static assert, moving it inside the constructor,m or moving it inside the event function near the point of variables' use?
13:14<yellyFish>i'll do the git thing first tho
13:15<LordAro>nielsm: i would probably say the constructor
13:15<nielsm>yellyFish ah yeah, when using PerformanceAccumulator you need to also add a "reset" of the accumulator somewhere
13:15<LordAro>with a comment
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13:18<nielsm>yellyFish, probably add PerformanceAccumulator::Reset(PFE_SPRITEGROUP); on openttd.cpp line 1360
13:18<nielsm>just below the other reset
13:19<nielsm>it's not entirely obvious from that function name, but it's actually in the Reset function the measurement gets recorded
13:19<nielsm>the constructor only accumulates timing into the current measurement
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13:20<yellyFish>am i too picky or this should be made into a object so we can insert more easily new measurements?
13:20<yellyFish>or something like that to automate this process at least
13:20<nielsm>I tried making it as simple to add new things as possible :)
13:21<yellyFish>or document it
13:21<yellyFish>or is it already somewhere?
13:21<nielsm>any easier to plug in than this and you'd need to either sacrifice runtime performance, or use some preprocessor step on the code
13:21<nielsm>I think
13:21<nielsm>nah, more documentation would be in place, you're right
13:22<yellyFish>i am not trying to be rude btw ;)
13:22<Eddi|zuHause>we used to have a "Cookbook" in the wiki to record that kind of "howto", but that typically is outdated by the time it is written...
13:22<nielsm>yeah, it's better to add it to the doc comment on the class
13:23<nielsm>bbl, food
13:25<yellyFish>so i clone, then checkout to the version i want and branch?
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>yes
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13:49<andythenorth>yo
13:49<Wolf01>o/
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14:16<andythenorth>quak
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14:20<andythenorth> also stuff
14:20<andythenorth>and things
14:22<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #6911: Codechange: Improve (un)zoom performance https://git.io/fxoMe
14:23<LordAro>stuff AND things?
14:23<LordAro>wow
14:26<andythenorth>wondering if I can get forums fixed
14:26<andythenorth>kind of used to like htem
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14:30<frosch123>moo
14:31<andythenorth>enough tanks
14:31<andythenorth>more horse or something
14:31<andythenorth>can we get any more PRs through?
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14:32<andythenorth>here are the ones not 'waiting on author' https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22waiting-on-author%22+
14:32<andythenorth>and here are the ones that aren't Samu https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22waiting-on-author%22+-author%3A%22SamuXarick%22+
14:37<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i have useful input for any of those
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15:31<Wolf01>I should burn my credit card
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15:44<andythenorth>y?
15:44<Wolf01>Lego
15:44<andythenorth>any new technic?
15:45<Wolf01>The forest machine
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15:45<Wolf01>I'm curious about the new pneumatic valves
15:46<Wolf01>You might say "buy the valves alone", no, MOAR PIECES!
15:46<Eddi|zuHause>i don't trust people who don't articulate the "p" in "pneumatic"
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15:48<andythenorth>I ordered new valves on BL
15:48<andythenorth>from belgium
15:48<andythenorth>no arrive :(
15:49<Eddi|zuHause>that's because of brexit
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15:54<andythenorth>or post
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15:55<Wolf01>Or scammed
15:59<andythenorth>that
16:04<yellyFish>is it possible to make the same change to two branches? i want to change where i measure the timing for both the base case and the one with changes
16:05<nielsm>cherry-pick the revision from one branch to the other
16:05<nielsm>or, make the change on a separate branch and merge than branch into both
16:05<nielsm>actually do the latter
16:07<yellyFish>but shouldn't it work to change the base case branch only if i made the branch with changes from it ?
16:08<yellyFish>or am i misunderstanding how branching works
16:09<nielsm>you probably are, but I'd need a drawing board to explain things well so I'll just tell you to read up on it somewhere else that already has pre-made illustrations
16:10<yellyFish>yeah. i am also reading
16:11<andythenorth>it's just a tree
16:11<andythenorth>'just'
16:11<nielsm>nah it's a directed acyclic graph
16:12<andythenorth>you just quoted a line from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem
16:12<nielsm>if you know what a DAG is git becomes a lot easier to understand
16:12<andythenorth>the problem with DAGs
16:12<andythenorth>is you start seeing them everywhere :P
16:12<yellyFish>i know what a DAG is
16:14<yellyFish>DAGs are trees but not all tress are DAGs
16:14<nielsm>other way around
16:14<Eddi|zuHause><yellyFish> but shouldn't it work to change the base case branch only if i made the branch with changes from it ? <-- you'd want to have a script that duplicates the commit you make on one branch automatically on the other one
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>or, you have a branch and rebase it onto whatever checkout you want
16:16<nielsm>also maybe worth reading, as this series of blog posts concerns the case of maintaining one change in multiple branches in git: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180312-00/?p=98215
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>so your branch can be on top of anything you want, but you have only one copy of the branch at any given time
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16:27<yellyFish>mmm. so if i rebase the common node for both branches then they will also have those changes?
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16:30<andythenorth>should do
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>yellyFish: by rebasing your branch, you take it off one node, and reattach it to another node on the graph
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>so it will disappear at one place, and reappear at another
16:52<andythenorth>oof bed
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