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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-07-14

---Logopened Sat Jul 14 00:00:01 2007
---Daychanged Sat Jul 14 2007
00:00<shadoxx>It's stock, so I assume so
00:01<Nunya081>I was thinking if my drive goes out it would be easier to dd one part with data then the whole drive
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00:01<Nunya081>shadox do less /etc/apt/source.list and send it to me
00:01<dli>shadoxx, it complains about hostname, do you have correct hostname set?
00:02<shadoxx>in /etc/hostname right?
00:03<dli>shadoxx, yes
00:03<dli>shadoxx, I have no idea about dovecot, but looks like like your hostname is not valid. make sure it can be verified by DNS
00:04<shadoxx>oh, hmm
00:04<shadoxx>meh, don't have an RDNS right now
00:04<shadoxx>it's still propogating I believe
00:04<shadoxx>How would I go about editing it for a website? just add the website name?
00:05<dli>shadoxx, you may try to add your hostname into /etc/hosts , maybe, dovecot accepts it
00:07<shadoxx>adding the ip followed by the hostname it's supposed to be fixed it. :D
00:07<shadoxx>thanks guys
00:08<ben_goodger>can anyone suggest something apart from "remove some fonts" which would alleviate inkscape's tendency to take five minutes to boot while it counts my couple of thousand fonts?
00:09<Reaper_NZ>put it on a fat 16 partition... ;P
00:09<dli>ben_goodger, fonts should be cached :(
00:09<Reaper_NZ>or move everything over to SATA or SCSI....
00:10<dli>ben_goodger, put it on reiser4 indeed
00:10<ben_goodger>it's already on SATA
00:10<ben_goodger>I don't want to increase the read speed, I just don't want inkscape to check they're all there
00:10<dli>ben_goodger, something wrong there, you couldn't have more fonts there, most likely
00:10<Nunya081>put all your fonts on a cf drive and link them to your current directory
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00:11<dli>ben_goodger, I have many fonts packages installed, with inkscape still starts up fast
00:11<dli>Nunya081, I guess cf card is not that fast, try raid10
00:12<Nunya081>whats raid 10?
00:13<ben_goodger>my ~/.fonts directory contains 4443 files over 508MiB
00:13[~]Reaper_NZ wants fonts for linux.. ;P
00:14<dli>ben_goodger, but why?
00:14<ben_goodger>Reaper_NZ: they're just TTFs
00:14<ben_goodger>hmm, it appears X has stopped accepting mouse clicks again
00:14<Nunya081>never mind
00:14<Reaper_NZ>true, you do learn something new every day... ;P
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00:15<Reaper_NZ>It appears that windows XP has stopped accepting mouse clicks, key presses or even the slight size 10 going into the front of the computer....
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00:16<Reaper_NZ>It appears that windows XP has stopped accepting mouse clicks, key presses or even the slight size 10 going into the front of the computer....
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00:18<ben_goodger>well, that's its problem
00:18<Nunya081>!tell Nunya081 about paste
00:18<ben_goodger>X, however, should never just stop responding for no reason
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00:18<ben_goodger>it seems to do so at periods of high CPU load
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00:20<dli>ben_goodger, out of memory?
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00:21<ben_goodger>dli: I have 2GiB physical and a further 3000MiB of swap
00:21<dli>ben_goodger, do you have swap usage ?
00:22<Reaper_NZ>Here I am working with Celeron 500s and the like and 4 gig drives.,... :)
00:22<ben_goodger>852KiB atm, but yes, it gets used..
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00:22<ben_goodger>I think..
00:22<Reaper_NZ>Yopu think even...
00:22<ben_goodger>X doesn't just halt
00:22<dli>ben_goodger, ext3 fs?
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00:22<ben_goodger>no, reiser3 throughout
00:23<Reaper_NZ>Ever wonder why a Jaguar has 12 cylinders and 6 litres of space and still is slower than a Skyline 2litre turbo... ;P
00:23<ben_goodger>...and a single iso9660
00:23<ben_goodger>which turns out to be a printer driver disc :)
00:23<Reaper_NZ>Oh yeah... gotta have that printer... :)
00:25<Reaper_NZ>Fark, I been on here all day trying to get someone to tell me how to make the sources.lost file without having it fail like it is.... :) In the meantime having too many remedial cigarettes...
00:25<ben_goodger>you can have mine if you like
00:25<Reaper_NZ>I got netinst CD, thats semi old... still 4.0 though, but can't seem to have aptitude like any repositories....
00:27<Reaper_NZ>Oh mi gosh, I even may have just had a idea....
00:27<Reaper_NZ>Light another one... ;P
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00:27<Reaper_NZ>Awesome.... You ca though aye... ;)
00:28<ben_goodger>no, I'm english
00:28<ben_goodger>but other pastebins are either grossly overcongested or riddled with pop-up ads
00:29<Reaper_NZ>Seems promising.... :)
00:29<Reaper_NZ>the testing bit.... I seem to have etch....
00:29<Reaper_NZ>throughout everywhere...
00:29<Networkgamer>does anyone know of any good linux vm's?
00:29<Reaper_NZ>it says in the topic though that etch is the new stable.....
00:29<Nunya081>is that how the canadians write aye? I always thought it was eh.
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00:30<ben_goodger>change "testing" to etch though
00:30<ben_goodger>Reaper_NZ: yes, etch is the new stable
00:30<Reaper_NZ>Nah... New Zealanders.... presumed he was canadian from the instead of say or something... :)
00:30<ben_goodger>4.0 = etch
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00:31<Reaper_NZ>Wow.... Netsplit....
00:31<ben_goodger>ha ha
00:31<Nunya081>ach so
00:31<ben_goodger>this network is so, so crap
00:31<Reaper_NZ>Haven't seen that in years... :)
00:31<Nunya081>maybe it was forced
00:31<Andy_J_Australia>Hi people! I'm still struggling with no network activity from a debian box any suggestions?
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00:32<Reaper_NZ>Still, I ain't been on an irc client in YEARS... ;P
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00:32<Nunya081>andy you have to give us a littel more info
00:32<Reaper_NZ>Andy_J_Australia: Still the same and no change.... Farken aye....
00:32<Nunya081>oh i guess you were here before
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00:34<Andy_J_Australia>After working flawlessly for months, now nothing is being sent to the onboard ethernet hence no connection to the network
00:34<Nunya081>what chipset?
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00:34<Andy_J_Australia>on an Asus M2NSLI
00:35<Nunya081>you tried reinstalling the nvidia proprietary drivers?
00:35<dli>Andy_J_Australia, anything in dmesg? do "ifconfig" say "UP"?
00:35<Andy_J_Australia>Nunya081 - I'm not running any prop drivers for the motherboard
00:36<Andy_J_Australia>ifconfig says eth1 and eth2 both UP
00:36<Nunya081>I have an nforce2 mobo and when I first installed etch back a couple of years ago I had to install the chipset drivers from nvidia to get the ethernet to work
00:37<Andy_J_Australia>both currently connected to the same device (trying everything now)
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00:37<dli>Andy_J_Australia, can you do " arping "?
00:37<Andy_J_Australia>Has been working perfectly
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00:37<Andy_J_Australia>debian can see the eth 1 and 2
00:37<Andy_J_Australia>reporting correctly in BIOS
00:38<dli>Andy_J_Australia, you have two nic cards now? both fail?
00:38<Andy_J_Australia>dli: will check
00:38<Andy_J_Australia>dli: two built in ethernet (part of motherboard)
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00:39<Andy_J_Australia>arping is installed...
00:40<Andy_J_Australia>arping says: eth0 is down
00:40<Andy_J_Australia>arping says: "eth0" is down
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00:40<Andy_J_Australia>This system should only have eth1 and eth2, where can I delete references to eth0?
00:41<dli>Andy_J_Australia, it's possible, your udev rules are messed up. check HWaddr for each
00:42<dli>Andy_J_Australia, try to ifdown all by one, and set up IP for one only, and try ping again, problemly, you assigned IP wrong, because of the messed udev rules
00:43<Andy_J_Australia>HWaddr in ifconfig matches known MAC addresses, where can I find udev rules?
00:43<dli>Andy_J_Australia, /etc/udev/rules.d/
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00:43<dli>Andy_J_Australia, how could that be? you have now eth[0-2], while you should have only two HWaddr
00:44<Andy_J_Australia>I don't know where eth0 is coming from
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00:46<dli>Andy_J_Australia, your /var/log/kern.log or dmesg should say something
00:46<Networkgamer>is there any advantage to using qemu?
00:48<Andy_J_Australia>looking in dmesg
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00:48<Glaucus>anyone here using gnu screen ? -- how do I resize a vertical split?
00:48<Andy_J_Australia>eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8239 bound to 0000:00:08.0
00:49<dli>Andy_J_Australia, yes, your udev rules messed up, try to assign IP for each (and ifdown others), you should be able to ping then
00:49<Andy_J_Australia>eth1: no IPv6 Routhers present
00:50<Andy_J_Australia>eth2: no IPv6 Routers present
00:51<chealer>Andy_J_Australia: what's your interface which is connected to the router now, and what is its IP?
00:52<Andy_J_Australia>looking in z25-persistent-net.rules
00:52<Andy_J_Australia>looking in z25-persistent-net.rules
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00:52<Andy_J_Australia>eth0 is a firewire device
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00:56<Andy_J_Australia>Sorry about that, Firefox just upgraded and crashed me out of IRC on this box
00:57<Andy_J_Australia>eth0 is are firewire device in persistent-net.rules
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00:58<dli>Andy_J_Australia, unlikely, since it's using the forcedeth driver
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00:59<Andy_J_Australia>eth0 is not using the forcedeth driver, that's eth 1 and eth2
01:00<networkgamer>how do i start virtualbox?
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01:01<Andy_J_Australia>dli I've lost track of your suggestions because Firefox slammed me out of IRC
01:02<dli>Andy_J_Australia, your eth? order messed up. just figure out whichone is which
01:02<dpkg>virtualbox is probably a virtual machine solution. Check out the website
01:03<dli>Andy_J_Australia, you can do so by identifying the HWaddr, or just assign IP and ping
01:03<Andy_J_Australia>eth0 = firewire controller, eth1 = eth1 on motherboard, eth2 - eth2 on motherboard
01:03<Andy_J_Australia>ping doesn't work
01:03<Andy_J_Australia>hardware addresses match
01:04<Andy_J_Australia>Even with assigned IP addresses, debian is sending nothing to the ethernet ports
01:05<dli>Andy_J_Australia, you have to do it, not just keep saying, everything correct, just doesn't work
01:05<goatmale>how can I check the version of something?
01:05<dli>goatmale, dpkg -s foo
01:05<Andy_J_Australia>I've just used ifconfig DOWN to shut down eth0 and eth1
01:07<Andy_J_Australia>oops. eth0 and eth2
01:08<Andy_J_Australia>I have manually assisgned an IP address to eth1 and pinged another box on this network
01:08<Andy_J_Australia>times varied from .8 to 7.15 ms
01:08<networkgamer>you know how when you configure kde it asks you how much "eye-candy" you want?
01:09<networkgamer>do ping -f,thats pretty fast
01:09<dli>networkgamer, I want minimum :( indeed, I don't use kde, I use xfce
01:09<networkgamer>but you know how it asks you that when you configure it?
01:09<networkgamer>how do i reset that?
01:10<networkgamer>i want it to go as fast as possible
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01:10<dli>networkgamer, switch to xfce :)
01:11<networkgamer>xfce4 is alright
01:11<networkgamer>but i prefer kde
01:12<networkgamer>ill switch to gnome and see how it does
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01:12<dli>networkgamer, then, it should be within control panel
01:12<goatmale>try UDE, blackbox, or fluxbox
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01:13<goatmale>they are really lightweight
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01:19<Andy_J_Australia>DHCP discover is finally working again, and I have no idea why
01:21<networkgamer>well im gonna go setup my new ubuntu install,ill be back here tommarow
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01:33<chealer>Networkgamer|PS3|: kpersonalizer
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01:42<Networkgamer|PS3|>what about it
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01:45<chealer>Networkgamer|PS3|: that's what you use to reset how much KDE "eye-candy" you want.
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01:54<networkgamer>what was that app?kpersonalize?
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01:57<networkgamer>also what application can i use as a vnc server?
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02:00<networkgamer>nevermind i found one
02:00<chealer>networkgamer: kpersonalizer
02:00<networkgamer>ok,thank you
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02:31<Reaper_NZ>Well, I finally solved my repositories problem , by just sitting here thinking for ages..... Cheers ben_goodger_.... You helped out... ;P
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02:34<gar>i just connected a external media how i can tell if is connected and where i can mount it ><
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02:35<gsimmons>gar: Check /proc/partitions for any new devices/partitions.
02:36<gar>gsimmons: even if i have not restart?
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02:36<gar>is a CDRW
02:37<gar>and no i dont see it in there...
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02:39<gsimmons>gar: What interface does your CD-RW unit use? (eg. IDE, SCSI, USB, etc)
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02:42<gsimmons>gar: If it uses an external power source, make sure that's on. :) Otherwise, check your system log in regards to device detection by the kernel.
02:42<gar>is on
02:43<Reaper_NZ>how can I get a readout on what PCI devices are on the system???
02:43<gsimmons>Reaper_NZ: lspci
02:44<Reaper_NZ>ok, Maybe from a base install?? I only had the netinst CD... :)
02:44<bony>i don't hear sound when every i play some videos in firefox like youtube or google videos how to get the sound? i could play songs on the system though
02:44<Reaper_NZ>I'll have to add that into the aptitude "for later" list...
02:45<Reaper_NZ>bony: That'll be the plugins problem.... E.g. macromedia or something.... Happens heaps on windows..
02:45<Reaper_NZ>Methinks anyways...
02:46<gar>gsimmons: Aug 27 05:06:36 mux kernel: usb-storage: device found at 7
02:46<bony>Reaper_NZ, is there a way to fix it?
02:46<Reaper_NZ>but also comes to drivers in windows though.... So could be anything...
02:46<gar>uff my system time is all screwup
02:46<Reaper_NZ>Yeah, There'll be a way, Patiently ask in here for help and someone will be with you///
02:46<gsimmons>Reaper_NZ: lspci can be found in the 'pciutils' package.
02:46<bony>Reaper_NZ, ok
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02:47<seth1248>How can I enable multilingual support, when I installed etch I selected only English with US keyboard support. How can I change this without reinstalling debian?
02:47<gar>gsimmons: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
02:48<gar>and the scan is complete
02:49<Reaper_NZ>otherthan lspci, is theree anyway to scan like a file to see if it may have already picked it up..... I have 2 things to find, the audio card and the TV Tuner card in the machine...
02:49<Reaper_NZ>(the only things different.. ;))
02:50<seth1248>How can I type Spanish accent marks? I have Spanish keyboard setup in gnome and I can type the ñ, but I am unable to type accent marks.
02:50<gar>:D found i
02:50<Reaper_NZ>And whats a good command line DVD-CD burner app for debian... ;P
02:52<Reaper_NZ>That does both DVD and CD without too much fluffing around...
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02:55<dondelelcaro>344212212wodim/owdim for cds, growisofs for dvds
02:55<dondelelcaro>Reaper_NZ: err, wodim for cds, and growisofs for dvds.
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03:19<Reaper_NZ>What does aptitude do when it gets disconnected?? Does it try to install?? or does it wait for you? and will it continue to download the rest????
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03:19<Reaper_NZ>when I reconnect...
03:20<Reaper_NZ>and say continue... ;)
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03:25<gar>what the command to make mke2fs to make a ext3 partition?
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03:26<Scurz>gar: mkfs.ext3 ?
03:26<gar>i know that mke2fs make a ext2 partition
03:26<gar>have to put a - something to make it ext3
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03:28<Reaper_NZ>how do I format a floppy??? I just want to check a floppy I have is actually ready for dd...
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03:36<gsimmons>gar: '-j' (creates a journal)
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03:36<suiside>Reaper_NZ: mke2fs /dev/fd0 usually, but if you have a floppy image that just fits the disk you don't bother, just dd directly
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03:39<Reaper_NZ>Cheers suiside, I actually read some man pages while waiting, and got another option using floppy, But thats cool, your comment is in my stash of info... ;P
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03:56<slash0r>i tried installing nvidia-glx but i got this errormsg: "nvidia-glx:
03:56<slash0r> Hängt ab: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable"
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03:57<pmarat>slash0r: just ... install module-assistant
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04:18<Reaper_NZ>Woah, Time for a smoke I think... My box is getting loaded!!! Both the PXE thinclient box, and the debian Storage/Workstation box.... Feeling quite proud... :)
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04:22<utrrrongeeb>I'm trying to use a joystick with Etch -- sometimes GDM doesn't load and the system hangs when I boot it with the joystick plugged in.
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04:56<seth1248>Has anyone here been able to use the accent mark in gnome?
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05:34<MindUser23110>good morning, I have installed Qemu and Windows XP on a virtual machine running under Qemu. It's all working fine, however I am unable to access the internet from the virtual machine with Windows. I tried to add the virtual machine's ip address to my IP Tables to accept all connection requests from that IP, but it still does not work. Any tip?
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05:50<fxiny>qemu muser gone ? ok i'll keep the links for a rainy day :P
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05:56<disposable>i've intel GMA3000 graphics card (946gz chipset) and i'm trying to get 1440x900 resolution out of it. 915resolution doesn't seem to help (supports chipsets up to 945gm), xorg.conf doesn't react to my changes. any hints?
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06:09<abussuhail>I wanna remove the generic-display-driver but i dont know witch one is this! how can I do that?
06:10<azeem>just remove or replace it with something else?
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06:10<shinnok>what do you want to install?
06:10<shinnok>just install it
06:11<abussuhail>I did but i get the wrong resolution!
06:11<abussuhail>and 3d dont funktion!
06:11<shinnok>did you install it from a official package?repository?
06:11<azeem>!fglrx one-liner
06:11<dpkg>i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
06:11<shinnok>using synaptic?
06:12<shinnok>or do this :D
06:13<abussuhail>I installed module-assistant fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and i build/install the module throught module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src
06:14<abussuhail>but i cant configure X with aticonfig --initial
06:14<abussuhail>I dont have xorg.conf under /etc/X11
06:14<azeem>did you install X at all?
06:15<abussuhail>so i get the error from aticonfig that i should copy the conf-file in the X11 directory!!
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06:15<abussuhail>I'm now under X
06:15<azeem>what version of Debian?
06:16<yo>anybody use testdisk? i have a serious problem with ext3 partition, data lost :-s
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06:16<abussuhail>perhaps I should deinstall X and reinstall it again
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06:17<azeem>yo: what is testdisk? Do you have a question about it
06:17<yo>testdisk is a recovery data for linux
06:18<yo>i'm running testdisk, but the data recovered is cutted files and corrupt :-(
06:18<azeem>just ask your testdisk question, maybe somebody knows
06:19<matrix____>hi how can i redirect traffic camming from i1 to myserver to ip2
06:19<yo>more files txt, these is part of other files mp3 avi
06:20<yo>i don't know make for recovery files
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06:22<yo>i had a ext3 partition, and gparted i make resize partition, then my partition ext3 lost files and the files move in directory lost+found, but this partition say ext2, a chat user recommend me use mkfs for convert ext3, then lost all data (this is procces i make for lost data) SORRY MY BAD ENGLISH
06:23<yo>i lost very important data, very much fotos, films, documents :-s
06:24<yo>do you know irc server in spanish for linux?
06:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:24<yo>thank you
06:25<yo>uff, in debian-es 17 users, and 0 activity :-8
06:25<azeem>uh, zero activity during one minute?
06:25<azeem>that's expected
06:25<frank>this might be better on freenode
06:25<yo>jejejeje, sorry, i'm desespered
06:25<azeem>ask a specific question and wait half an hour for a reply
06:26<matrix____> hi how can i redirect traffic camming from ip1 througth myserver to ip2
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06:28<kinus>hi, i have just installed debian and grub didn't detect windows partition.. how can i add it manualy ?
06:28<azeem>kinus: are you sure it's still there? ;)
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06:29<kinus>yea, i made second partition for debian on raiserfs
06:30<kinus>and i can still mount windows partition and see folders
06:30<kinus>so.. there's no doubt.. it's still there:)
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06:33<jMCg>Grub doesn't detect shit. Nor does it care about what's there on your harddisks -- it simply does what you tell it to do.
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06:34<kinus>k.. so what i need to tell ?
06:34<azeem>jMCg: debian-installer usually detects it though and add it to grub's config
06:34<azeem>kinus: you'll have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
06:35<azeem>see the grub documentation for how to boot Windows
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06:37<jMCg>The config contains pretty much documentation itself in the comments - maybe you'll just have to uncomment something...
06:38<jMCg>What about update-grub?
06:38<frank>it only looks for kernel to boot in /boot iirc
06:38<kinus>i don't know what mean "root" section in this menu.lst
06:39<frank>for win you need a title, rootnoverify and chainloader line
06:41<kinus>ok.. will try..
06:42<frank>what do you need win for? you now have debian :)
06:42<kinus>yea..but lineage2 doesn't work on debian ;/
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06:44<frank>ah you need some window app for gaming
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06:44<kinus>exacly :)
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06:54[~]jMCg has zsnes for that....
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06:56<fxiny>i heard Tutankhamen loved Zelda :P
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06:57<jMCg>I know he did.
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06:59<fxiny>i have a playstation I , the very first model : i'll be rich selling it on ebay in a couple of years
06:59<jMCg>I thought the PS3 plays... EVERYTHING.
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07:00<fxiny>is not true
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07:03<fxiny>oh oh oh : just compiled vim7.1 and it still shows that f* cyan color over a () !!
07:04<fxiny>i keep debian vim then
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07:13<jMCg>fxiny: -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
07:13<jMCg>How bout you fix your configs then?
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07:15<fxiny>jMCg: i'm on it , can't really stand it :)
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07:16<jMCg>cp -a /old/configs/ /new/configs :P
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07:18<fxiny>jMCg: no configs , only a trail of blood on ~/.viminfo :)
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07:21<fxiny>jMCg: is it a caterpillar ? >> -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
07:21<fxiny>made in taywan ? :P
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07:22<kinus>hi again, i still can't load windows via grub.. somebody can help ? :)
07:23<kinus>i have added rootnoverify (hd0,0)
07:23<kinus>chainloader +1
07:23<kinus>and makeactive .. and i can't boot windows
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07:24<fxiny>kinus: i try to guess : title virus ; root (hd0,0) ;savedefault ; chainloader +1
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07:26<kinus>what mean those root (hd0,0) fxiny ?
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07:27<deepak>bartm are you online.
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07:28<fxiny>kinus: is the second line , is it on your first hd partition or do you have a secondary hd ?
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07:30<fxiny>koollman: you can add a makeactive line after savedefault
07:31<fxiny>just makeactive , don't forget virus as a title ;)
07:31<fxiny>koollman: ignore plese , tab completion on my way
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07:32<kinus>fxiny: doesn't work... :)
07:32<fxiny>kinus: you can add a makeactive line after savedefault
07:33<kinus>i think it will not work.. :/
07:33<kinus>but will try
07:33<fxiny>kinus: boot manually , see google for instruction
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07:34<fxiny>kinus: you need to know how to boot manually , and if you have a floppy drive stick grub into it ;)
07:34<fxiny>that "virus" loves to overwrite your mbr
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07:44[~]ssb wonders where is the <lowlevellock.h> which is referenced from bits/stdio-lock.h
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07:48<fxiny>could be the bootable flag off
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07:51<deepak>deepak, hi
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08:13<enyo>anyone here use wine to play WoW?
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08:18<twb>Is there any point in having selinux stubs installed on my Etch box? Debian-installer put them there, but I doubt they're doing anything more than clogging up my cruft(8) listings.
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08:20<Dargor>any idea why `usermod --password help user` doesnt change users password to help
08:21<twb>Dargor: because the value has to be hashed?
08:22<twb>crypted, rather.
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08:26<Dargor>oh, so i have to hash the password first
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08:27<gsimmons_>Dargor: You'd probably want to be using 'passwd user' instead.
08:28<Dargor>oh, so i do, that does make things look easier, didnt see that, thanks
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08:30<tV2>I have got a problem with installing nvidia driver
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08:31<tV2>I have got kernel 2.6.21-2-l7 installed by apt-get
08:32<klys>what does fsck mean when it gets a "short read
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08:32<klys>" and what is it doing when it says "force rewrite (Y): "
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08:33<tV2>and I have downloaded a new beta drivers from
08:33<undercode>hi, my kde say: KDEinit could not launch ...
08:33<undercode>what is this?
08:34<tV2>When I tried install that, I got "ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module."
08:35<klys>is fsck rewriting bad data to my disk?
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08:36<twb>klys: what filesystem?
08:36<klys>ext3 / 2
08:36<twb>tV2: please don't use non-Free software if you can possibly avoid it.
08:36<twb>tV2: you probably have only installed the kernel binaries, not the source code.
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08:37<klys>it has a journal, though there is only cke2fs
08:37<twb>klys: I *think* it's asking for permission to repair what it can, but *ICBW*!
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08:37<tV2>twb, I have downloaded headers for my kernel
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08:38<twb>!nvidia one-liner
08:38<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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08:40<twb>I really do urge you not to support nvidia's rampant evil by using their binary drivers.
08:41<klys>twb: if I take it literally, it's just reading some random cblock off my partition, and the lowlevel call returned less bytes out of a sector than the full amount, an error on a (hot or otherwise disturbed) disk, and since it repeated the operation getting errors each time, it decides by default to take the short read as authoritative, and writes bck each sector the way it was read, thus promulgating garbage at the end of now-unreadable sectors
08:41<undercode>"KDEinit could not launch" ... my kde say it when i try open anyone file. help
08:41<twb>klys: I think you already know more than I can tell you.
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08:42<klys>this should be taken out of fsck's defaults if I am right
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08:44<undercode>amphi: hello! ;)
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08:44<tV2>twb, "requires nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 but it is not installable", so I must waiting :)
08:45<undercode>amphi: do you know what is this? "KDEInit could not launch..."
08:47<amphi>undercode: no - I have never used kde
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08:47<twb>tV2: perhaps you need to add the non-free repo to your sources.list?
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08:48<undercode>oh thaks !
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08:48<twb>undercode: you could try logging out, re/moving ~/.kde, then logging in again
08:49<undercode>twb: ok i try now! thanks :)
08:50<twb>Don't be so damn excitable
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08:51<twb>Give `em short trousers and they think they're made o' the lightning.
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08:53<amphi>twb: heh
08:54<undercode>ok!! are god now!!
08:54[~]twb restrains undercode
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08:56<undercode>tmb: how i can open .pdf with password?
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08:56<undercode>what program i use?
08:57<twb>I don't know.
08:57<twb>If you're on a popular architecture, you might be able to install Adobe's reader which is likely to work.
08:57<twb>evince, xpdf and kpdf all view PDFs; I don't know if any handle encryption.
08:58<undercode>exists adobe reader for linux?
08:58<twb>Would you prefer to discuss Debian in your native language?
08:58<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:59<undercode>eu acharia melhor mas ninguem responde!! :(
08:59<twb>No entiendo
09:00<twb>Nice try
09:00<undercode>i try debian-br but anyone ask my questions!! :(
09:00<twb>There isn't sufficiently large corpus of Quenya to reverse engineer it accurately, hence neo-quenya.
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09:02<tV2>twbtwb, I have it
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09:21<fxiny>cydork: you !
09:22<cydork>fxiny: hiya :)
09:24<Th|sD|cK>how to mount cdrom?!
09:25<fxiny>mount /media/cdrom
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09:26<fxiny>gnome and kde should automagically mount it
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09:27[~]fxiny mafiously streamripps from some server name: S*cast/Linux v2.5.1
09:27<peter_>I would like to make my icons a bit smaller ;) where can I do that?
09:28<fxiny>by clicking around in your desktop env control center
09:29<fxiny>cydork: i am on some "don *leone" mood today :)
09:30<fxiny>too hot
09:30<cydork>fxiny: true :)
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09:32<peter_>=] I cant find it
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09:32<fxiny>is it gnome or kde ?
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09:35<fxiny>have you checked your screen resolution ?
09:36<peter_>yes, its 1280x800
09:36<peter_>im runing Etch
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09:38<peter_>ok, I got it ;)
09:38<peter_>oh, meaby not ;)
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09:40<fxiny>peter_: open nautilus filemanager edit>preferences > display
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09:41<peter_>fxiny, works, thanks =]
09:41<fxiny>peter_: no porbs
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10:08<tV2>eh, shit ;/
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10:38<mjk>Kernel 2.6.21-2-686 (auf testing) behauptet beim Booten "ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg00-lv00 does not exist.", trotz gegenüber 2.6.18 unveränderter commandline in grub/menu.lst (stimmt mit /proc/cmdline überein). Ein LVM-Modul finde (grep lvm) ich weder beim 18er noch beim 21er Kernel, an was könnte es noch liegen oder wo könnte ich suchen?
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10:38<mjk>dm_{mirror,snapshot,mod} waren geladen laut /proc/modules.
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10:39<mjk>Damn, wrong channel, sorry.
10:40<pp>Bonjour tout le monde ! heu s'est en anglais ici :(( y a t'il une personne parlans francais qui pourrais m'aider à recler (surtout comprendre) un probleme avec ma carte Wifi svp :)
10:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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10:40<pp>super merci bot :)
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10:41<fxiny>hmmm booten ALERT
10:43<mjk>Kernel 2.6.21-2-686 (in testing) claims while booting "ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg00-lv00 does not exist.", despite unchanged (compared to 2.6.18) commandline in grub/menu.lst (same as /proc/cmdline). I can't find (grep lvm) an LVM module, neither for 2.6.18 nor for 2.6.21, what else could I try? dm_{mirror,snapshot,mod} were loaded according to /proc/modules.
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10:46<fxiny>dmsetup is instaled , is'n it ?
10:46<fxiny>iniit ? :)
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10:47<mjk>fxiny: Don't know, I'm typing this at the machine in question ... :-} But I can extract the initrds and look there ...
10:47<kinus>hey, i have few questions about dselect..:)
10:48<fxiny>mjk: apt-cache policy dmsetup
10:48<fxiny>kinus: dselect is 1337 :)
10:48<mjk>fxiny: Wow, it's not installed ... does that mean 2.6.18 did /not/ need dmsetup, while 2.6.21 does?
10:49<kinus>yea.. but i don't know how to select smth :)
10:49<kinus>i press + .. but
10:49<fxiny>mjk: lvm wants it
10:49<twb>kinus: don't use dselect, it's old and crap
10:49<twb>kinus: aptitude is the win
10:49<mjk>fxiny: But then again, *if* dmsetup were installed, it couldn't be accessed anyway, as it's on /dev/mapper/vg00-lv00, right?
10:50<fxiny>2.6.18 ? last lvm i ran was sarge 2.6.8
10:50<kinus>twb: i have much more problems with aptitude :)
10:50<twb>Such as?
10:50<mjk>fxiny: Ah, maybe Sarge has different prerequisites.
10:51<kinus>i want to install kde.. how can i do that with aptitude ? :)
10:51<fxiny>mjk: i will try bpo 2.6.21+lvm next week
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10:52<mjk>fxiny: Wow, thanks!
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10:53<fxiny>kinus: aptitude install kde kdm will install all kde apps , check aptitude -s install kde kdm to see . i'd install kde-core to start with
10:54<kinus>oo.. i will try this
10:54<fxiny>kinus: apt-get -s or aptitude -s are just symulation
10:54<twb>That's not any different to what dselect would do
10:54<twb>kde is just a metapackage after all
10:54<fxiny>dselect is leet :))
10:54<twb>dselect is like a rusty nail file when you want a screwdriver
10:55<fxiny>is super fast
10:55<fxiny>mjk: no porbs , does it works now ?
10:55<kinus>damn... i can't install
10:56<kinus>there are some problems with dependecies
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10:56<mjk>fxiny: Can't try without rebooting this machine. And I have to /change/ something first, before I try again. :-)
10:56<fxiny>kinus: check your sources
10:56<twb>I'd rather be correct than fail REALLY QUICKLY
10:56<twb>It's the difference between taking the stairs or the window
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10:56<kinus>check sources? i didn't touch it
10:57<mjk>fxiny: I just did a "diff -r" on the extracted initrds of 2.6.18 and 2.6.21, and the differences are: various snd-modules options changed, module "tsdev" got blacklisted, and differ, and of course all(?) modules are different. So the error is not in a script or configuration file, but either in the kernel or its modules.
10:57<fxiny>kinus: i forgot to ask you about xp ,. is the boot flag on ?
10:58<kinus>fxiny: i don't know .. :)
10:58<kinus>boot flag in where?
10:58<fxiny>mjk: ahhhh , i think abot selinx every day , i'm so bored , as soon as i het a 2++G ram box i will try selinux
10:58<mjk>fxiny: =)
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10:59<fxiny>mjk: great fun , a neverending setup story , no full howto on google , looks like a nice game to me ;)
10:59<mjk>fxiny: Oh great. ;-}
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11:00<fxiny>kinus: run fdisk to check . does it boot now ?
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11:01<fxiny>mjk: i tell you why : watching debconf streaming . a Manoj talk impressed me cause aparently no one wants to try selinux , in fatc no full howto are on google :GOOD ;)
11:01<kinus>fxiny: fdisk -l don't show Boot "*" on linux partition and windows
11:02<fxiny>kinus: does xp boot ?
11:02<kinus>no, of course no ;)
11:02<kinus>i can't boot windows
11:02<fxiny>kinus: set the boot flag on it
11:03<fxiny>kinus: is easy . fdisk /dev/hda then press the help and iirc press a next . double check
11:03<fxiny>not sure if is a
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11:04<fxiny>mjk: the only problem is : how can i read damned nsa pages ?
11:05<mjk>fxiny: By breaking in. :-)
11:05<fxiny>mjk: hahahahaahh
11:05<kinus>fxiny: i must set boot flag on /dev/hda2 (windows) ?
11:05<kinus>in fdisk?
11:05<fxiny>kinus: hda2 ? it wont boot !
11:06<fxiny>i think windoze wants the first primary partition
11:06<kinus>in /dev/hda1 is little partition with dellutilitys..
11:07<kinus>or something like this
11:07<fxiny>kinus: dell ? the infamous boot partition ? so try hda2 then , no idea about dell
11:08<kinus>fxiny: it doesn't want change boot flag.. :/
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11:09<kinus>i press a then 2 and nothing..:/
11:09<fxiny>kinus: are you running fdisk as root ?
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11:09<kinus>maybe i delete this dell partition.. ? :)
11:10<fxiny>kinus: anyway . could be this dell set up , i'm not into dell-windoze stupidilia . grub should boot it
11:10<fxiny>kinus: didi you try a grub manual boot ? any errors ?
11:10<kinus>but grub don't want boot .. :///
11:11<kinus>i'm sure i'm doing something wrong.. but i don
11:11<kinus>'t know what
11:11<fxiny>kinus: use grub cli , google for grub manual boot and see what the error is
11:12<kinus>hey,this line chainloader must be +7 in my system.. ?
11:12<kinus>not +1
11:12<fxiny>+7 ?
11:12<kinus>+1 mean first sector?
11:12<fxiny>hold on : hd0.0 is the first partition
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11:13<fxiny>kinus: try root (hd0,1)
11:13<kinus>hmmm.. maybe it will works..!
11:14<fxiny>kinus: use grub cli m TAB COMPLETION will tell you whre is located
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11:14<kinus>and listen.. there must be rootnoverify?
11:14<lontra>does anyone know the syntax for changing themes with splashy?
11:15<kinus>or "root (hd0,1)" ?
11:15<fxiny>kinus: on grub cli you can type > rootnoverify (hd0,0) yes
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11:16<fxiny>then makeactive and again chainloader +1 and last boot (press enter then)
11:16<kinus>i will try
11:17<fxiny>kinus:google for "grub manual boot"
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11:17<fxiny>kinus: you will see step by step
11:17<shinnok>hi all
11:18<kinus>fxiny: i don't like to use google in text mode.. :/
11:18<fxiny>kinus: grub start counting from zero , so (hd0,1) is /dev/hda2
11:18<kinus>ok! thanks.. i will back soon with more questions :)
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11:19<shinnok>anybody know how can i enable a graphicall boot on debian?
11:19<shinnok>i installed bootsplash but doesn't work
11:19<fxiny>kinus: text mode ? hehehe .install kde-core first :)
11:19<shinnok>are there some speciall settings that i should use for bootsplash package?
11:20<fxiny>some grìub lines iirc , been long time
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11:21<twb>grub should detect splash automatically
11:21<shinnok>but it doesnt :(
11:21<twb>At least, when I run update-grub it observes that it doesn't find any splash
11:21<shinnok>i checked the bootsplash service is enabled
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11:22<twb>It's probably goblins
11:22<shinnok>should i try to run update-grub?
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11:22<fxiny>so splashimage support is on
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11:23<shinnok>fxiny : yes but there is no bootsplash
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11:24<fxiny>shinnok: last time i had a go wit it long ago) i'm 100% i read this page : , good luck :)
11:24<fxiny>s/i'm 100%/i am 100% sure/
11:25<fxiny>shinnok: check where it reads : "go into the command-line prompt"
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11:27<peter_>dvd is mounted auto by debian as cdrom ?
11:28<fxiny>in /media/cdrom
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11:29<peter_>why it does not shows it as dvd ? ;)
11:29<fxiny>peter_: gnome should autodetect it
11:29<peter_>fxiny, but, auto configuration is stored in fstab yes?
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11:30<kinus>doesn't work this stupid grub :/
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11:30<fxiny>peter_: is a gnome volume-manager dbus magic
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11:31<kinus>fxiny: there is suh error " BOOTMGR is missing" press alt etc etc
11:31<peter_>fxiny, it isnt better for debian to mount dvd as dvd?
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11:31<fxiny>peter_: does it pop a window up as you load it ?
11:32<fxiny>kinus: (hd0,0) or (hd0,1) ?
11:32<peter_>fxiny, yes, yes, I dont have problem with mount. Just asking why debian dont mount dvd as dvd, but as cdrom
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11:33<fxiny>peter_: as long as it does such a nice job cd or dvd are the same :)
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11:35<fxiny>kinus: could be the dell stupid partition (don't delete it but google for it) , i have no idea aboutit . try (hd0,0)
11:35<peter_>fxiny, ofcours, I agree
11:35<kinus>maybe i will start using lilo? is it easier?
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11:35<_d00fus>GRUB is better than LILO, IMHO
11:36<fxiny>peter_: gnome-volume manager and dbus are pretty good . have you tried mountint a partition ? it pops automagically up a very handy file manager window
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11:36<peter_>fxiny, well, I tried mount ntfs-3g and fat32, no problem...
11:36<kinus>what is the quickest way to install xwindow manager?
11:37<kinus>kde for example, or smth other..?
11:37<peter_>fxiny Im looking for apps on linux that works without any bonus repositories
11:37<fxiny>kinus: grub is ok . BOOTMGR missing could be a sign of a borked windoze , again i have no idea about this dell set up
11:37<Th|sD|cK>i have problem with cdrom, i can't read battlefield dvd
11:38<peter_>fxiny, guy is running Etch, and he cant mount dvd
11:38<fxiny>peter_: maybe adding "contrib non-free" after main in your sources.list ?
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11:38<peter_>fxiny, let me check
11:38<peter_>fxiny, yes
11:38<_d00fus>could you read other DVDs ?
11:39<fxiny>peter_: gnome shows a "dvd" icon on desktop when it mounts a dvd
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11:40<peter_>fxiny, not etch
11:40<fxiny>peter_: and a "cd" icon for a cd , i've just checked both
11:41<peter_>fxiny, you are using etch ?
11:42<peter_>fxiny, my etch shows me also two icons. One is with only "ROM" text on it and the other one is without "rom"
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11:42<fxiny>this is a flux box . i have a gnome box . i can check kde to see what it does , i am a flux user
11:42<peter_>there is no sign that its dvd
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11:43<fxiny>peter_: i've seen two different icons , dvd and cd
11:43<kinus>is upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 complex to do?
11:43<peter_>fxiny, me not, Im on clean Etch
11:43<peter_>installed few hours ago
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11:44<fxiny>peter_: my gnome box is a default install ., i let the installer doing it all . a full gnome desktop . i don't use it too much but is perfect
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11:44<peter_>fxiny, Im trying to learn standard apps for my work office
11:45<peter_>I want to install debian on all computers I have, thats why I dont want to install "third party apps"
11:45<peter_>just standard :)
11:45<fxiny>peter_: check if you installed all gnome-media apps
11:45<Th|sD|cK>_d00fus, yes, i can read a buffy's dvd
11:46<kinus>i just hate it ... wrrr :/
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11:46<kinus>nothing works as it should be :/
11:46<peter_>fxiny, it seems so, it says there is no apps to instal, upgrade or remove :)
11:46<fxiny>peter_: i'm pretty happy with debian sources list ,i use : deb etch main and deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free to get the latest clamav
11:47<peter_>fxiny, Im also using debian-multimedia but never heard about volatile, I have to go, thanks, bye
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11:47<fxiny>peter_: but not on my gnome box
11:48<fxiny>i use multimedia on gnome
11:48<fxiny>i forgot
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11:49<fxiny>kinus: can you paste your grub menu.lst on a pastebin ?
11:49<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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11:51<kinus>fxiny i can write it here..
11:51<kinus>title windows vista
11:51<kinus>rootnoverify (hd0,1)
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11:51<kinus>chainloader +1
11:52<fxiny>it should work with just root (hd0,xxxx)
11:52<Metalqga>grub frustrated me more than once
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11:53<Metalqga>i won't install on my hda1 drive nomatter what i do
11:53<kinus>but it doesn't work for me :/
11:53<fxiny>kinus: set the boot flag on , no need for rootnoverify
11:53<Metalqga>but its a small issue
11:53<frank>kinus: and windows is on the second partition?
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11:54<fxiny>kinus: grub nessage about a missing BOOTMGR is not a good sign
11:55<kinus>i know.. ;/
11:55<fxiny>could be this dell partition , i have no idead about it
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11:55<Metalqga>make a bootable floppy
11:56<kinus>i think i will screw debian :/
11:56<frank>so if grub is missing in the mbr then install it there
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11:56<_tuzhila>hi all
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12:09<aycko>what difficulies would i face if i use an imap server with dyndns?
12:10<Metalqga>reading readmes? :D
12:10<fxiny>Metalqga: that is a wrong partitioning scheme , you want three primary partion 1 2 3 , then a big extended holding swap home and whatever you want , resizing 1 or 2 or 3 is a matter of seconds
12:10<Metalqga>i got it :D
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12:11<fxiny>Metalqga: how ? :P
12:15<Th|sD|cK>i downloaded flashplayer-installer, how do install it?!
12:16<dpkg>somebody said flash was
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12:17<Th|sD|cK>i have it on my desktop
12:17<Th|sD|cK>without apt-get
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12:19<aycko>if someone sends my server an email and the server is down, will the other server retry in 5 minutes?
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12:20<petemc>aycko: depends on the retry times their server is configured to use
12:20<petemc>but it should rety for up to 4 days
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12:21<EtherNet>my mail servers for e.g. tries 5 days, after that it's removed.
12:21<EtherNet>and user notices that couldn't be delivered
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12:24<_tuzhila>hey, who has working asterisk on his debian-system?
12:24<petemc>lots of people
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12:24<_tuzhila>i want to talk with them
12:25<EtherNet>yes, I remember apt-get installed asterisk without any trouble.
12:25<EtherNet>but it was long time ago... I didn't use it any longer.
12:25<_tuzhila>and how it works, is this stable?
12:25<EtherNet>_tuzhila, very stable
12:25<EtherNet>_tuzhila, it depends of the branch.. test / stable / unstable...
12:26<_tuzhila>oh, ok
12:26<EtherNet>there are several versions.. I tried stable.
12:26<_tuzhila>and what did you do with asterisk?
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12:27<EtherNet>I configured a sort of "telephonic central", where each employee had its own "telephone number"
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12:27<kinus>how to start xwindow?
12:27<_tuzhila>soho telephone system?
12:27<kinus>startx don't work.. :)
12:28<EtherNet>kinus, did you write .xinit ?
12:28<EtherNet>_tuzhila, yeah
12:28<kinus>EtherNet: no..
12:28<aycko>petemc: my problem is the downtime of my server after 24 h. it should be around 2 min. i guess the other side would get a 5xx error. i am not shure if the other server would retry or not
12:28<EtherNet>kinus, what are you trying to start? kde? wmaker? xfce?
12:29<kinus>kde for example..
12:29<petemc>aycko: 5xx is permanent, they shouldnt retry
12:29<EtherNet>kinus, create in your $HOME a file called .xinit and write a line: "startkde"
12:29<EtherNet>if Xorg or XSERVER was configured properly you should get X workig
12:30<kinus>damn.. it kill me someday.. :/
12:30<EtherNet>kinus, what you got ?
12:31<kinus>kde isn't installed.. but i tried few times already..
12:31<kinus>i think something with dist is wrong .. :0
12:31<EtherNet>kinus, mmmm it looks like you don't have "startkde" binary..
12:31<EtherNet>kinus, have you got installed Wmaker?
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12:32<kinus>i can't install no anything..
12:32<EtherNet>kinus, apt-get install kde-base ?
12:34<kinus>many errors..and at the end "cannot find kde-base"
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12:34<kinus>something about apt-get update is written there
12:34<EtherNet>kinus, mmmm.... something's really bad
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12:36<kinus>i think i start upgrade of distribution but it failed
12:36<kinus>and now source.list is broken
12:36<kinus>everthing is broken..
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12:37<pumpkin0>gnome is started with gnome-wm, right ?
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12:38<EtherNet>kinus, you should find the files apt-get update creates when running it... and re-run apt-get update
12:38<UK-Toker>hi, i am new to linux, and been trying to edit /etc/motd. but when i make changes and save then reboot the system. it revers back to the original. any suggestions on how to stop this. Thanks in advance.
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12:39<_tuzhila>EtherNet, and had you some city calls for your asterisk, or only in office?
12:41<EtherNet>_tuzhila, only office
12:41<EtherNet>you need an interface for managing external connections
12:44<zaq>which file is the shell command history to be found?
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12:46<cahoot>.bash_history if you use bash
12:46<zaq>cahoot: thanks
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12:48<UK-Toker>does any one know why my /etc/motd does not retain any changes made.
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12:50<pumpkin0>UK-Toker: you could make it r/o...
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12:51<petemc>UK-Toker: it gets rebuilt during the boot process
12:51<petemc>perhaps by /etc/init.d/
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12:52<UK-Toker>ok, i have to edit a different file.
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12:54<twb>Hey, have I got this right? By default, swap partitions aren't striped. Adding pri=0 to the option of every swap partition causes them to be striped equally.
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12:57<frank>twb: correct
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12:58<twb>OK, next question.
12:59<twb>I have an Etch NIS auth server and a Sid client.
12:59<twb>The client keeps asking for the shadow table, which is disabled by default.
12:59<twb>That is, it's not published to clients.
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13:00<twb>Should I tell Sid to stop asking for shadow,byname, or tell Etch to export it? (I suspect the former). Either way, how do I go about it?
13:01<frank>never used NIS
13:02<twb>Be thankful
13:02<twb>It's only redeeming feature is that it's dead easy to deploy.
13:02<twb>cf. ldap.
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13:12<mjk>fxiny: Narrowed down the "ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg00-lv00 does not exist" error with 2.6.21 a little: With 2.6.21, the system /first/ tries to mount a root device, and /then/ loads the SCSI subsystem, which fails, of course.
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13:13<twb>Nothing in /var/cache matters if it dies, right?
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13:15<ricky>mjk: LVM renaming issues?
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13:16<twb>mjk: what bootloader are you running?
13:16<mjk>twb: grub
13:17<mjk>ricky: Actually not. /dev/mapper/vg00-lv00 is perfectly right. And after manually running /scripts/local-top/lvm after being dropped to the initramfs shell, my volume group is there.
13:18<mjk>twb: Yep. Standard in testing.
13:18<fxiny>mjk: interesting . i'm following the discussion
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13:18<twb>Were you on LVM when you created the ramdisk?
13:19<mjk>twb: Yes.
13:19<twb>Are you running LVM on top of RAID?
13:19<mjk>twb: I always had a LV, and former kernel upgrades were never a problem
13:19<mjk>twb: No, simple ext3 on LV, nothing else.
13:19<twb>So the LVM PV is something like /dev/sda1?
13:20<mjk>twb: Exactly. On a SCSI disk (the only one, there no other drives in this system).
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13:20<mjk>In 2.6.18, the SCSI modules were loaded much earlier, but with 2.6.21, the get only detected /after/ "Begin: Mounting root file system..."
13:21<twb>Maybe you need to explicitly ask for LVM in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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13:21<twb>(And then issue update-initramfs -k all -u)
13:23<mjk>twb: The problem is the delayed SCSI module load. Wait, let me try something ...
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13:26<twb>OK, so how do I find out which PV(s) my LV is on?
13:27<twb>lvdisplay doesn't seem to say.
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13:28<formorer>twb: -v
13:28<InYourBase>If i compile and install a kernel with make-kpkg and dpkg, do I need to do anything special for modules i've compiled?
13:28<twb>formorer: doesn't seem to say
13:29<fxiny>down /etc/lvm/ ?
13:29<twb>I can see all the PVs and all the LVs, but I can't see which PVs are used for any given LV
13:30<formorer>hmm I know this worked some time ago...
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13:31<twb>I wanted to try striping my var/cache volume across two PVs
13:31<twb>But I can't work out how to tell if it's actually done that
13:32<mjk>twb: Destroy one of the PVs and see if /var/cache is still accessible.
13:32<twb>Nice plan, except if you break a RAID array GRUB2 doesn't boot
13:32<mjk>twb: Maybe there are non-destructive methods, too, but as you asked if anything breaks if /var/cache breaks ...
13:33<mjk>twb: Oh, I see ...
13:33<twb>It's kind of a huge bug, IMO
13:33<twb>Which is why LILO is sitting on another MBR
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13:33<twb>Because this box has no room for a rescue CD-ROM :-(
13:33<mjk>twb: Well, if you trust vg/lvdisplay, everything should be fine, shouldn't it ...
13:34<fxiny>ahhh you were running grub2
13:34<mjk>twb: Who needs a rescue CD-ROM, if you have a netbooting option? :-)
13:34<twb>mjk: neither vg nor lvdisplay mention which PVs are used for an LV
13:34<twb>mjk: it's hard to netboot the netboot server
13:34<mjk>twb: what? I cannot believe that, let me check ..
13:34<ricky>twb: Perhaps pvs?
13:34<mjk>twb: That's why at least one client machine here in my LAN acts as a netboot server, too. :-)
13:35<twb>ricky: that just lists all the pvs
13:35<mjk>twb: vgdisplay -v
13:35<twb>mjk: doesn't do it, here
13:35<mjk>twb: This commands lists the physical volumes used.
13:35<mjk>twb: What
13:35<mjk>twb: Testing?
13:35<mjk>twb: Etch?
13:36<twb>It just lists all the VGs, LVs and PVs
13:36<twb>Not the associations.
13:36<deb_totoch>hello everybody
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13:36<ricky>Grr. This is actually hard to find.
13:36<mjk>twb: Ooooh, I see. Damn.
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13:37<deb_totoch>Can somebody tell me how can i find the last sources of blender ?? Thanks !
13:37<mjk>twb: Any chance that pvscan/pvdisplay -v output anything?
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13:38<deb_totoch>yes, but is there where the new packages are put ?
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13:41<chealer>deb_totoch: look in your favorite Debian mirror
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13:41<kinus>one simple question: why the hell i can't install for example wmaker ?
13:42<chealer>kinus: one simple answer: how the hell could we guess
13:42<kinus>"unable to resolve some dependecies"
13:42<twb>Are you still using dselect?
13:43<kinus>tring aptitude... and have such errors
13:43<kinus>for example with wmaker
13:43<kinus>it says
13:43<twb>Are you still using Sarge?
13:43<kinus>wmaker requires: lib blah blah which cannot be installed
13:44<kinus>yes.. sarge.. i can't upgrade to etch
13:44<kinus>i don't know how upgrade*
13:44<deb_totoch>How can i use my Sagem F@st modem 800 in debian linux 4? Where can i find the drivers ?? thanks
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13:44<twb>kinus: that's why
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13:45<twb>kinus: sarge can't resolve dependency conflicts itself
13:45<twb>On Etch, aptitude will say "here is a solution? Don't like it? I'll try again"
13:45<mjk>twb: Hm, under HP-UX, lvdisplay lists stripes. You're using the wrong OS. ;-}
13:45<wrfa>I have some files saved in a greek font but they only show up as ????? on my console. how can i figure out what font i need to be using to see the filename properly?
13:45<twb>mjk: hmph
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13:45<twb>LVM is the only good thing about HP-UX
13:46<deb_totoch>How can i use my Sagem F@st modem 800 in debian linux 4? Where can i find the drivers ?? thanks
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13:48<twb>Does lvcreate stripe by default if I provide multiple PVs?
13:48<mjk>twb: I don't think so
13:49<mjk>twb: I think it just concatenates.
13:49<twb>Are you sure?
13:50<mjk>twb: Alas, no. :-(
13:50<mjk>twb: Just had that in mind from somewhere.
13:50<twb>-i implies it does striping if you don't provide devices, but just ask for N PVs
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13:51<mjk>twb: At least striping wouldn't always make sense if the PVs were on the same bus, so I wouldn't make that default (as coder).
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13:51<twb>Well, OK, I'm using PVs /dev/sd[ab]1
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13:52<twb>Which are SATA drives on the first two "buses"
13:52<twb>FSVO bus
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13:52<mjk>twb: Okay, SATA is point to point, so that's okay.
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13:53<twb>Well, I'm gonna try to create it with -v and see what it says
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13:54<twb>grr, you can't have / in the name
13:54<mjk>twb: Which name did you want to give it?
13:54<twb>Underscores are such a Cism
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13:55<mjk>twb: A "Certified Information Security Manager"?
13:55<nitalaut>guys, may be someone here a familiar with qmail mta ? I'm "getting 421 opendir() failed (#5.7.15) Permission denied" while trying to send message to it ...What may be the issue ? Googe didn't help -(
13:55<mjk>twb: A jism? *shudder*
13:55<chealer>deb_totoch: in the eagle-usb-modules-source package
13:55<mjk>twb: Aaaaah, I "C".
13:55<twb>Of or relating to dumbass K&R
13:56<mjk>twb: What's your favorite programming language?
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13:56<fxiny>lisp ?
13:56<mjk>twb: OMG. I can hear parentheses slowly creeping in my clothes!
13:56<mjk>twb: :-)
13:57<twb>If you don't see the parens they can't eat you.
13:57[~]fxiny wonders what dialect twb speaks ...
13:57<mjk>twb: Although LISP (or functional programming in general) is elegant, the parens confuse me.
13:57<mjk>fxiny: He speaks Bavarian. ;-)
13:57<fxiny>mjk: heheheh
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13:58<twb>It's been "Lisp" for twenty-five years, and it's not FP.
13:59[~]fxiny adds bavarian to lisps dialect collection , right after baguette and just before bimbo
13:59<twb>It has an object system that's indisputably superior to Java's.
14:00<mjk>twb: Hm, the German issue of Wikipedia lists Lisp in the category "functional programming language".
14:00<twb>It supports FP but does not enforce it.
14:00<fxiny>i love all funny stories about lisp :)
14:00<mjk>twb: Hm, okay.
14:00<twb>Very few professional lispers write in an FP style.
14:00<twb>But anyway, you can go to #lisp on freenode if you want to divest yourself of some prejudices you inherited from your parents.
14:00<mjk>twb: I've never seen non-FP Lisp code.
14:00<mjk>twb: Hehe =)
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14:01<twb>Probably because you only saw Lisp at school, where it was a vehicle for teaching language design
14:01<mjk>twb: Well, I know Lisp only from university and wrote only few progra^Wcode fragments in it.
14:01<twb>I'm more interested in fixing LVM right now.
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14:04<twb>This is nuts, where the fuck is the mapping listed?
14:04<fxiny> /etc/lvm/backup/ ? /etc/lvm/archive/ ?
14:05<fxiny>i don't have lvm installed atm
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14:05<mjk>twb: Ahaa! At least here, I can grep for "stripe" in /etc/lvm
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14:08<twb>Ah, /etc/lvm/backup is newer than /etc/lvm/archive/*
14:08<twb>Sweet, it looks like -i 2 /dev/sd[ab]1 works correctly.
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14:09<twb>type = "striped"; stripe_count = 2; stripe_size = 128 # 64 Kilobytes
14:09<twb>stripes = [ "pv1", 256, "pv2", 256 ]
14:11<twb>Interestingly, if you don't supply -i 2 but just /dev/sd[ab]1, it ignores /dev/sdb1
14:11<mjk>twb: Silently?
14:12<mjk>twb: N..nice.
14:12<twb>Possibly if I'd asked for a volume larged than /dev/sda1 it would have used sdb1
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14:12<mjk>twb: Ah, okay, yeah ... Nevertheless, it should issue a warning.
14:12<twb>Ah, it was the ext3 label that I was hugging
14:12<deb_totoch>"apt-cache search eagle-usb-modules-source" don't work !!
14:12<twb>deb_totoch: OMG, call the police!!
14:13<deb_totoch>where can i find this package ?
14:13<deb_totoch>he he !!
14:14<mjk>deb_totoch: It's only in unstable:
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14:14<twb>deb_totoch: it's in unstable and sarge only
14:15<twb>Probably because it's a piece of shit
14:15<mjk>deb_totoch: Will emerge in testing as eagle-usb:
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14:15<twb>It hasn't had a release since sarge
14:15<twb>Kind of unencouraging.
14:15<twb>Speaking of which, >thttpd rant<
14:15<kinus>what is the name of software that test my connection and finds best .deb source ?
14:15<kinus>i forgot the name..
14:16<fxiny>could be working , i have 8 sarge debs on hold
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14:18<mjk>twb: What's the difference between netselect-apt and apt-spy, anyway?
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14:19<deb_totoch>is there an eagle-usb driver for etch ?
14:19<mjk>deb_totoch: There will be, as soon as it got built on s390.
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14:20<deb_totoch>can you tell me what is s390 please ?
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14:21<deb_totoch>thank you very much !
14:21<mjk>deb_totoch: No sweat. =)
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14:22<deb_totoch>so this is the only architecture missing to build up the package !
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14:22<mjk>deb_totoch: At least that's what the page claims, yes.
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14:29[~]pumpkin0 thinks all 278 people in this channel should answer a "hi" just once for fun.
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14:29<mjk>hiiiii !!!111one
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14:30<valessio>hi all!
14:31<valessio>somebody goes here to present or to represent the Debian community in the "Campus Party 2007" (Spain Valence)
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14:33<twb>I was telling nfs-kernel-server to do some nfs4 stuff, but it didn't work. Now even after emptying /etc/exports and reverting /etc/defaults/nfs-*, I still have an nfs4 kernel thread running and init.d prints garbage about v4recovery.
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15:19<chealer>Why would xmoto not play sound at the same time as Amarok on one computer while both can play at the same time on another computer?
15:19<wrfa>Anyone know if there is a tool to determine what char encoding a filename uses?
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15:20<twb>chealer: because alsa isn't doing its job?
15:20<totoch_deb>hi again
15:21<elvis>does anyone know about mysql?
15:21<chealer>twb: what do you mean?
15:21<twb>chealer: because the hardware is missing bits?
15:21<gar>i use alsa on imac :D
15:21<chealer>twb: which bits?
15:21<twb>Well, on this VIA motherboard I have four channels, one for each sound process
15:21<chealer>elvis: if it exists, most likely
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15:21<twb>If I mute #2, the second process to play sound can't be heard
15:21<elvis>na i trying to install it and when i install 4 it installs 5 and both dont run
15:22<twb>Presumably I also can't play >4 things at once.
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15:23<chealer>twb: so one of my boxes would support multiple channels. how could I confirm if that's the case?
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15:26<dpkg>from memory, alsa is or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install>
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15:27<wrfa>Anyone know if there is a tool to determine what char encoding a filename uses?
15:28<chealer>gar: would you mind being a bit more specific?
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15:30<elvis>anyone knows why this is
15:30<elvis>Can't exec "/tmp/mysql-server-5.0.config.80311": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/ line 168.
15:31<chealer>elvis: ...when doing what?
15:31<elvis>open2: exec of /tmp/mysql-server-5.0.config.80311 configure failed at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ line 58
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15:31<elvis>install mysql
15:31<chealer>elvis: how?
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15:32<elvis>apt-get isntall -f mysql and apt-get mysql
15:32<elvis>either dont work
15:33<elvis>apt-get -f install mysql-server-4.1 or apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
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15:33<elvis>it isntalls 5 anyway
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15:33<elvis>all i want to work is one fo them
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15:37<twb>chealer: well, I look in alsamixer on my box
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15:39<chealer>twb: what indicated there are multiple channels?
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15:39<twb>chealer: here, I have channels named VIA DXS {,1,2,3}
15:40<twb>I don't know what they would be on your system, if they are necessarily there at all
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15:40<chealer>elvis: is /tmp mounted noexec?
15:41<mattl>any uscan experts around?
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15:42<chealer>twb: I don't see anything like that on the system on which it works
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15:46<totoch_deb>have somebody installed the adobe flash player ?
15:47<chealer>totoch_deb: quite certainly
15:47<totoch_deb>when i give the installer the installation path of mozilla /usr/lib/mozilla it still ask forit !!
15:47<totoch_deb>what is the error ?
15:48<chealer>totoch_deb: which installer? are you using flashplugin-nonfree?
15:49<totoch_deb>the flash player from adobe
15:49<totoch_deb>i got it from
15:50<chealer>totoch_deb: why do you go there? flashplugin-nonfree shouldn't need you to access Adobe's website manually
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15:50<totoch_deb>is there another solution ?
15:51<chealer>totoch_deb: I don't know how you're giving a path to flashplugin-nonfree, but you don't need to do that. try without giving one.
15:52<totoch_deb>right now i'm trying "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" et seams to work
15:52<totoch_deb>NO NO NO
15:52<totoch_deb>i have this message :
15:52<totoch_deb>md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
15:52<totoch_deb>The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
15:53<totoch_deb>why ??
15:53<chealer>totoch_deb: which suite do you use?
15:53<totoch_deb>any help !!
15:53<totoch_deb>i'm using debian 4
15:54<totoch_deb>and epiphany
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15:55<chealer>totoch_deb: hum, I'm afraid that flashplugin-nonfree is currently broken in stable.
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15:55<totoch_deb>what ??
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15:55<totoch_deb>oh ! impossible !
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15:55<chealer>totoch_deb: the flashplugin-nonfree for Debian 4 is currently unusable.
15:55<totoch_deb>really ??
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15:56<chealer>totoch_deb: according to #432755, yes
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15:58<totoch_deb>chealer : can you tell me what distribution you are using ?
15:58<chealer>totoch_deb: testing and stable, but that package is special, it's just an installer. I have the buggy version, but I used it at the right time, when it still worked (I have an old version of Flash).
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16:02<totoch_deb>chealer : what is your point of view about the debian 4 distribution ?
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16:03<chealer>totoch_deb: hum, that's a bit vague,'s a great distribution :)
16:04<totoch_deb>great ! i think so too
16:04<totoch_deb>but as you see
16:05<totoch_deb>the f@st sagem modem and flash player, there are two packages not working there !
16:05<totoch_deb>i don't know now how to play youtue videos for example !!
16:05<totoch_deb>you see ?
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16:05<totoch_deb>or how to connect to internet using the modem
16:05<chealer>totoch_deb: are you sure the driver for f@st sagem doesn't work?
16:06<totoch_deb>now i'm connected from debian but through another host !
16:06<totoch_deb>no i'm not sure
16:07<totoch_deb>but somebod told me that the driver is not yet accesible in the stable version
16:07<chealer>totoch_deb: I guess there's a good chance that unstable's version would work in Debian 4
16:07<totoch_deb>so can i use unstable releases of the driver in the stable version of debian 4 ?
16:08<twb>mplayer can play "youtube" videos just fine
16:09<twb>You don't need crappy flash binaries
16:10<totoch_deb>how ?
16:11<dli>totoch_deb, you may also try gnash for youtube, however, you'd have to build gnash, mostly
16:12<totoch_deb>what is gnash ?
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16:12<dli>totoch_deb, I use gnash, since I run x86_64, and don't want to run 32bit chroot
16:12<dli>!tell totoch_deb about gnash
16:12<totoch_deb>is it a debian package ?
16:13<dli>totoch_deb, the current stable gnash is released after etch release :(
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16:14<totoch_deb>that's why it's not in the apt list !!
16:14<elvis>-bash: /tmp: is a directory
16:14<elvis>chealer i get that error
16:14<dli>totoch_deb, you may find some repositories still,
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16:15<totoch_deb>i'll test it
16:15<dli>!tell totoch_deb about d-m
16:16<totoch_deb>what if we want to use mplayer to play youtube videos !
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16:16<dli>totoch_deb, you may try youtube-dl , or
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16:17<dli>totoch_deb, gnash-0.8 should work for youtube still
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16:17<totoch_deb>i'm testing right now mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.0+cvs20070703.0730-1_i386.deb
16:18<totoch_deb>it requires some packages
16:18<totoch_deb>i'll try
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16:20<totoch_deb>are you sure that if i upgrade this packages versions " libc6 libgcc1 libstdc++6 " , it will not affect the hole system ??
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16:23<dli>totoch_deb, no
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16:23<dli>totoch_deb, you should use the "stable" repository
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16:25<totoch_deb>but why the debian installer dosn't install me the last version ??
16:26<totoch_deb>i used the netinst CDROM
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16:27<formorer>I have no idea what you mean. could you please rephrase your question?
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16:28<chealer>elvis: what do you mean?
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16:29<chealer>totoch_deb: the last version of what?
16:29<totoch_deb>of these packages : libc6 libgcc1 libstdc++6
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16:31<chealer>totoch_deb: the version of packages in Debian stable is not always the latest upstream version.
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16:31<chealer>totoch_deb: it's worth trying unstable's version of EAGLE-USB on Debian 4
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16:32<totoch_deb>but when installing debian via internet, it should take the last version of the packages being downloaded
16:32<totoch_deb>exept if it doesn't download these packages
16:32<chealer>totoch_deb: it takes the latest version of the packages in Debian stable, not the latest upstream version.
16:32<totoch_deb>in this this case the debian installer will take the version of the base system in the netinst CDROM
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16:33<totoch_deb>if i make "apt-get update" i think that the packages are up to date . isn't it ?
16:35<elvis>chealer, ?
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16:35<elvis>that thing u said type /tmp mounted noexec
16:37<chealer>elvis: I didn't tell you to run "/tmp mounted noexec", I asked you whether /tmp was mounted with the noexec option.
16:37<chealer>!tell elvis about u
16:37<chealer>totoch_deb: no, that will only update the packages index
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16:37<totoch_deb>and apt-get upgrade ??
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16:39<chealer>totoch_deb: if you upgrade after an update, all packages should be at the newest version in Debian stable.
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16:40<elvis>chealer, ?
16:40<elvis>how do i see if it is running?
16:40<chealer>elvis: if what is running?
16:41<totoch_deb>even if i make an upgrade after an update, i still have libc6 v 2.3 not 2.5 !!
16:41<totoch_deb>for example.
16:41<elvis>the noexec?
16:42<dli>totoch_deb, you use whatever in debian-stable.
16:43<totoch_deb>what do you mean ?
16:43<chealer>totoch_deb: that's normal. glibc 2.3 is the latest version in Debian stable.
16:44<chealer>elvis: noexec can't run, it's a mount option
16:44<elvis>ahh well how i see if it mounted?
16:44<totoch_deb>now if i want install gnash, i must have libc v. 2.5, it's an unstable version
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16:45<totoch_deb>so if i install libc6 v. 2.5 it will affect all my system
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16:45<totoch_deb>isn't it ?
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16:46<chealer>totoch_deb: yes. BTW, I recommend you don't install gnash, that's alpha software
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16:47<totoch_deb>so the solution is to download videos and then play them with mplayer or totem !
16:47<dli>totoch_deb, then, don't install gnash, I didn't realize gnash requires libc6-2.5
16:48<elvis>how do i mount exec?
16:48<totoch_deb>no problem*
16:48<dli>totoch_deb, you can use youtube-dl, or
16:48<totoch_deb>i have tested keepvid
16:48<totoch_deb>it's great
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16:49<totoch_deb>now i have another little question
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16:50<totoch_deb>how can i make a window without borders under gnome with the system parameters in realtime
16:50<dli>totoch_deb, no, I don't see gnash requires libc6-2.5,
16:50<totoch_deb>example : the CPU load, the RAM use, etc ...
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16:51<dli>totoch_deb, you can install gnome-base/gnome-applets , I don't know about the window border part
16:51<totoch_deb>when i made "dpkg -i mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.0+cvs20070703.0730-1_i386.deb" i had a message telling me that gnash require libc6 v 2.5 !
16:51<chealer>totoch_deb: another solution would be to install Adobe Flash in an alternative way
16:51<totoch_deb>how ?
16:52<chealer>totoch_deb: for example, using unstable's version
16:52<dli>totoch_deb, I guess, if you want to try gnash, the best way would be building it yourself
16:52<totoch_deb>but how about dependencies ??
16:53<dli>totoch_deb, apt-get install gnome-applets , then, right click and add to panel
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16:53<valdyn>!simple sid backport
16:53<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
16:53<valdyn>totoch_deb: ^^^
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16:54<totoch_deb>hi valdyn !!
16:54<chealer>totoch_deb: I don't know. you could try to install it and see which unsatisfied dependencies it has.
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16:54<totoch_deb>i'll test it
16:54<chealer>elvis: the question isn't whether /tmp is mounted or not, it's whether it's mounted with the noexec option or not.
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16:54<totoch_deb>dli, where can i find the sources please
16:55<elvis>ahh how do i check?
16:55<dli>totoch_deb, the easiest way would be backport gnash-cygnal in sid
16:55<dli>!tell totoch_deb about backport
16:56<dli>totoch_deb, you add "deb-src " entries from sid, apt-get update; apt-get build-dep gnash-cygnal
16:57<totoch_deb>i'll test it right now
16:57<dli>totoch_deb, then, you may apt-get -b source gnash-cygnal
16:58<dli>totoch_deb, or, download source from , and build yourself (following the docs)
16:58<totoch_deb>deb-src sid main non-free contrib is it correct in sources.list ??
16:59<dli>totoch_deb, looks correct to me, make sure have deb-src for sid, not " deb " for sid
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17:01<totoch_deb> autoconf automake1.9 autotools-dev build-essential comerr-dev cpp-2.95 debhelper dejagnu diffstat expect g++ g++-2.95
17:01<totoch_deb> g++-4.1 gawk gcc gcc-2.95 gcc-4.1 help2man hspell html2text intltool-debian kdelibs-data kdelibs4-dev kdelibs4c2a
17:01<totoch_deb> liba52-0.7.4-dev libacl1-dev libagg-dev libart-2.0-dev libarts1-dev libarts1c2a libartsc0 libartsc0-dev libasound2-dev
17:01<totoch_deb> libaspell-dev libatk1.0-dev libattr1-dev libaudio-dev libaudiofile-dev libavahi-client-dev libavahi-common-dev
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17:02<totoch_deb>dli : apt-get build-dep will install me about 301 Mb !!!
17:02<chealer>elvis: what does $ mount|grep tmp; output?
17:02<ricky>!tell totoch_deb about paste
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17:02<totoch_deb>it's HUGE !!
17:02<totoch_deb>isn't it ?
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17:03<dli>totoch_deb, could be
17:03<linuxwho>less than half the data that fits on a cdr
17:03<elvis>$ not found?
17:03<elvis>-bash: $: command not found
17:03<totoch_deb>is there any other solution
17:04<dli>totoch_deb, after you get gnash work, you may clean most of those packages
17:05<totoch_deb>i think that installing the unstable version of flash player is much easier than using gnash; don' t agree ?
17:05<totoch_deb>sorry chealer
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17:05<dli>totoch_deb, first, if you have 64bit system, the binary is for 32bit only
17:05<chealer>elvis: "$ " indicates that it's a command to run in your shell. what you need to paste is "mount|grep tmp".
17:06<totoch_deb>how can i check
17:07<totoch_deb>i have 32bit or 64 bit from shell ?
17:07<mohkohn>I am having trouble getting sound on my 24 inch intel imac
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17:07<mohkohn>I can hear very faint sound out the earphones
17:07<elvis>ok were should i paste them
17:07<mohkohn>alsamixer is maxxed out
17:08<mohkohn>nothing is muted
17:08<chealer>!tell elvis about paste
17:08<mohkohn>any ideas?
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17:09<dpkg>from memory, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at
17:09<mohkohn>Forgot to mention I am running Lenny
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17:10<valdyn>mohkohn: its muted or volume turned down
17:10<valdyn>mohkohn: maybe even physically on your imac
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17:12<mohkohn>valdyn not so. I think I may have found the problem:
17:12<mohkohn>I will give this a go
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17:15<chealer>totoch_deb: dpkg --print-architecture
17:15<totoch_deb>chealer, thanks
17:15<chealer>elvis: "/dev/hda3 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid)" indicates that /tmp is mounted noexec. that's your problem.
17:15<elvis>ok how do i unmount that or do i need that?
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17:17<Alex___>Hey all, quick question: When virtual hosting several sites using name based (not IP) is is possible to setup WebDAV for each host or does that requires unique IP like SSL?
17:20<elvis>hom do i unmount that exec chealer
17:20<chealer>elvis: I was checking that. you have a line for /tmp in /etc/fstab, right?
17:21<elvis>do nano /etc/fstab?
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17:21<elvis>/dev/hda3 /tmp ext3 rw,nosuid,noexec 0 2
17:22<elvis>do i just delete noexec or does that break it?
17:22<chealer>elvis: OK. either you can unmount /tmp live, then you can remount it without noexec, or you edit fstab and reboot.
17:22<chealer>elvis: that shouldn't break it
17:23<elvis>ok so only need to remove noexec or do i need to remove the others?
17:23<totoch_deb>can you tell me how can i make my host an rdp server (port 3389) ?
17:23<frank>you can also remount without reboot
17:23<chealer>elvis: only noe
17:23<frank>mount -o remount,exec /tmp
17:24<elvis>i dont want noexec so just remove the whole lot?
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17:24<elvis>ahh sorry did not see the edit from above
17:24<chealer>elvis: as frank said
17:25<elvis>ok rebooting
17:25<elvis>dont take long
17:25<frank>reboot is for adding hardware or starting a new kernel
17:26<elvis>yeah but reboot is shorter to type :0
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17:29<mohkohn> fixed my sound!!!
17:29<mohkohn>Some weird thing with the card in the 24 inch iMac
17:30<gar>mohkohn: :D
17:30<gar>im using imac to never had problem with sound...
17:32<totoch_deb>i want to install the data sharing libraries. what are the package name please.
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17:34<chealer>elvis: when does that happen?
17:34<elvis>installing it
17:34<chealer>totoch_deb: I have no idea what you mean by "the data sharing libraries".
17:35<chealer>elvis: which command?
17:35<elvis>got rid of the folder error
17:35<elvis>the apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
17:35<elvis>shall i just tyoe 5.0?
17:35<totoch_deb>chealer : i want to share a folder in debian to be read with windows
17:35<chealer>elvis: yes, mysql-server-4.1 is a dummy package. that will just make things more clear
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17:36<chealer>totoch_deb: ah, as elvis said, samba
17:36<totoch_deb>i think
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17:37<totoch_deb>but i can view the windows shared folders using smb://...
17:37<totoch_deb>what's wrong ?
17:37<totoch_deb>what is missing then
17:37<elvis>can = cant?
17:37<elvis>have you got the folders as sharing on windows?
17:38<chealer>elvis: start by uninstalling mysql-server*
17:40<elvis>chown: `mysql:adm': invalid group
17:40<chealer>elvis: which command do you use?
17:40<elvis>apt-get isntall
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17:40<elvis>apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
17:41<elvis>this is a server by the way
17:41<chealer>elvis: try apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-4.1 first
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17:41<chealer>mysql-server-5.totoch_deb: I'd need to see what are the unsatisfied dependencies when trying to install unstable's flashplugin-nonfree to tell you if I think using flashplugin-nonfree is easier than using gnash.
17:41<elvis>ok they are fully removed
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17:42<chealer>elvis: now what's the output of apt-get install mysql-server-5.0; ?
17:42<totoch_deb>chealer : ok
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17:43<totoch_deb>chealer : how can i install unstable flushplugin-nonfree using apt-get ??
17:43<elvis>hi cluck
17:43<cluck>hi elvis
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17:46<gar>elvis: did u remove it completely?
17:46<chealer>totoch_deb: it's probably better not to do that. download the package manually and try to install it with dpkg.
17:46<elvis>i pasted in the remove command to
17:46<gar>es i saw
17:46<elvis>that says it was removed
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17:49<gar>that say that it was never installed on the system
17:49<elvis>but i did remove it :0
17:50<gar>did u try apt on root user?
17:50<elvis>i am normaly logged in as root for isntalling thing
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17:50<gar>because i just did a clean install of mysql-server-5.0
17:50<gar>and it works perfectly
17:50<elvis>yeah but i using a server already :0
17:51<elvis>can use gui as i set that up myself but i have ssh
17:51<gar>so you have anther database server running
17:51<elvis>na i lease this of jhservers
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17:52<gar>so it should have mysql already running on it
17:52<elvis>i dunno
17:52<elvis>how do i check?
17:52<gar>do u have any web control panel
17:52<gar>there is where u can check
17:53<elvis>i think i have webmin
17:53<gar>ok check on webmin under server mysql
17:53<gar>check if intalled is not under webmin you can install it
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17:57<elvis>gar i can not use this webmin lol is there not an easyer way
17:57<elvis>ahh wait it is in there
17:58<elvis>how do i make it run it has a x
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17:59<craig>hi all
18:00<elvis>ok the red x means down
18:00<craig>is this ryan melia
18:00<craig>is it ryan
18:00<craig>you ok k
18:01<elvis>brb needs to go
18:01<craig>do you use linix
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18:03<chealer>elvis: what does # grep adm /etc/gshadow; output?
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18:08<totoch_deb>chealer : ok i'll do that
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18:10<mohkohn>good night.
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18:26<chch>somebody knows how to enter on debian in no graphical mode as root
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18:27<aycko>should be init 5
18:27<aycko>and then su
18:28<aycko>chch: i mean su and then init 5
18:28<totoch_deb>fenix : use su
18:28<chch>but i mean, it ask for a login:
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18:28<chch>i should set login:su o what?
18:28<aycko>then u must use some boot parameters ;)
18:29<aycko>ah u have a login prompt?
18:29<LeMoiCavalier>if you are at the loging already: root and then the password
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18:29<chch>yeah in the prompt
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18:29<aycko>just root
18:29<aycko>then enter
18:29<aycko>then pass
18:29<LeMoiCavalier>yep. just root, then enter
18:29<chch>ok thank you
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18:38<rapidmax>i just wonder how to apt-get the package linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-amd64
18:39<rapidmax>I know it exists on mirror, but I must have the wrong entry in sources.lst for amd64?
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18:41<abussuhail>some urls to install beryl or compiz on an AMD64-machine?
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18:47<Networkgamer>hey all
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19:21<totoch_deb>good night !!!!!
19:22<totoch_deb>see you soooon !
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19:28<julio_ita>Boa Noite, preciso de umas dicas ... pois faz muito tempo que não mexo com o Debian ... alguem poderia me ajudar por favor?
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19:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:29<julio_ita>ok let´s so
19:30<julio_ita>someboby can help me?
19:31<julio_ita>Good Night, I need some tips of the latest version of Debian ... someone can give me a little help?
19:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
19:32<julio_ita>ok, where are you dpkg?
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19:33<lupine>dpkg is a bot
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19:34<julio_ita>hhah ok
19:34<julio_ita>and you lupine... where are u ?
19:34<julio_ita>are you a person ?
19:34<julio_ita>UK... great
19:35<lupine>io sono Nick
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19:35<julio_ita>What do you work in ?
19:35<julio_ita>which area ?
19:36<lupine>so what's your problem?
19:36<julio_ita>I´m a PhD Student Aerospace Engineering
19:37<julio_ita>How do I make a DVD from Iso file ?
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19:37<lupine>you can use k3b to do it graphically
19:37<julio_ita>it´s easy ?
19:38<julio_ita>Did you use it ?
19:38<frank>growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=dateiname.iso
19:38<lupine>very easy. you just choose "Burn DVD ISO Image" and select the ISO file you want to burn
19:38<lupine>or you can do it the CLI way :D
19:38<frank>growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=filename.iso
19:39[~]lupine loves k3b
19:39<julio_ita>May I use this program (k3b) in Windows XP, or only in Linux ?
19:40<tuxdude>can I install firefox manually on etch , in place of iceweasel if I download the tar?
19:41<lupine>just linux right now
19:41<lupine>tuxdude: you can, if you really want to. not much point though
19:41<lupine>install in ~ for props
19:41<tuxdude>I don't mind iceweasel, but my company blocks any browser other than firefox or IE
19:42<lupine>putting it in / will lead to madness
19:42<julio_ita>Do you know a "k3b like" for Windows?
19:42<lupine>Nero :(
19:42<julio_ita>nero ?
19:42<julio_ita>nero works too?
19:42<lupine>it's nowhere near as good as k3b
19:42<julio_ita>for it ;;;
19:42<lupine>but it will run in XP and burn dvd iso images
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19:46<julio_ita>Where do you study there .. in UK
19:47<julio_ita>Imperial College?
19:47<lupine>is this an a/s/l moment? ;)
19:47<lupine>Dunno what Imperial College is. I'm in the University.
19:48<julio_ita>Did you born in England ?
19:48<julio_ita>I´m in Brasil..
19:49<lupine>lovey. lots of Salsa?
19:49<julio_ita>I´m studing in Aeronautical Institute of Technology (Brasil) and in Russian Real Academy of Science... (Moscow)...
19:50<julio_ita>no no
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19:50<julio_ita>Salsa isn´t from Brasil
19:50<lupine>mm, spain?
19:51<julio_ita>Samba, MPB ... are musics from Brasil ...
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20:00<deb_totoch>hi again
20:00<deb_totoch>i have a simple question
20:02<deb_totoch>is there a live CD for the sid version of debian ?
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20:18<k-man>does the kernel have to load special modules to be able to access sata drives?
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20:19<schwinn434>were is everyone?
20:19<lupine>behind you
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20:20<lupine>where else?
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20:20<schwinn434>HA HA
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20:20<lupine>k-man: here, I have libata and sata_via loaded
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20:21<lupine>lsmod |grep sata is probably your friend
20:21<k-man>yeah, nothing
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20:22<lupine>(my kernel is lenny's stock 2.6.18-4-amd64 btw)
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20:29<k-man>is libata a kernel module?
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20:46<tweakt>k-man, no its a library
20:46<k-man>tweakt, ok
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20:53<Guest348>Hi, is there anyone good in php ( lib GD )?
20:56<k-man>after installing a new kernel
20:56<k-man>my device mapper lvm drives don't appear under /dev/mapper
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21:17<Quick>I need some help with DHCP with a Belkin Router, I am setting up Debian on Virtual PC but whenever I setup DHCP, it always times out when I configure the package manager (I am using netinst)
21:17<Quick>Can anyone help me?
21:17<brandon>wow, a lot of people here
21:17<tV2>Sleeping is bad
21:18<Quick>So? Can anyone help me?
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21:18<brandon>is it possible to hide the shadow behind text on the desktop?
21:18<brandon>Quick what is wrong?
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21:18<brandon>tV2: yes
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21:18<brandon>gnome desktop text shadow
21:19<brandon>Quick: what is wrong
21:19<Quick>I am having trouble with DHCP
21:19<brandon>Quick: are you on cable?
21:19<Quick>I am trying to install Debian onto a VPC but whenever I configure it, I always get a timeout on the package manager
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21:20<brandon>Quick: you may have to enter in keycodes given to you from your isp
21:21<brandon>i'm not sure where to enter them in
21:21<Quick>I use a router...
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21:22<tV2>Quick, Your router has setting on dhcp?
21:23<Quick>DHCP is on and I can even bring up a DHCP client list
21:24<tV2>In Windows or other system, Your network card taking ip?
21:24<tV2>apt-get install dhcpd
21:24<mmavipc>He cant get into the console
21:25<mmavipc>Quick is still in the installer
21:25<mmavipc>He tryed autoconfig and it dident work
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21:26<gar>how come u have dhcp and not getting ip?
21:26<Quick>I don't know
21:26<tV2>I think, The best way You will download a cd version and burn it
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21:26<Quick>The full version?
21:26<mmavipc>he has a 24 KB/s conenction
21:26<gar>what do ifconfing say?
21:27<Quick>I use DSL
21:27<mmavipc>quick remember the backwith
21:27<Quick>But it roleld over
21:27<tV2>Quick, if you are using DSL, You should downloading full cd version
21:27<Quick>Oh well
21:27<Quick>Thanks for your help
21:28<gar>Quick: what does the ifconfig say?
21:28<Quick>Whats that?
21:28<Quick>Sorry, I've never used Debian
21:28<gar>can you access console
21:28<gar>can u type?
21:28<mmavipc>Gar: quick is still in the installer
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21:28<gar>he can choose expert and get the console up
21:29<Quick>So finish the installation and bring the console up?
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21:30<gar>sometime ipv6 if you select that will bring alot of problem on networking if you dont know what is
21:30<Quick>I don't use IPv6
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21:31<gar>what are you installing from network did you download the network boot cd?
21:31<Quick>I just downloaded netinst
21:32<gar>i think there is a option
21:33<gar>when come to the DHCP screen to stop it and imput static ip and try
21:33<gar>to see if you get any connectivity
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21:33<Quick>I just reset the Virtual PC and I'm going to try again
21:34<gar>o hold
21:34<gar>are u installing to a virtual pc
21:34<gar>like vmware?
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21:34<Quick>Virtual PC 2007
21:35<gar>try using share networking with the host PC
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21:35<Quick>The same IP?
21:35<Quick>Because I tried that
21:36<Aleric>totem stopped working after my last update :/
21:36<gar>share same ip from the host computer
21:36<Quick>I tried that, didn't work
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21:37<gar>also read this
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21:37<gar>it seem that vmware is so easy to install os on it :D
21:39<Quick>That has nothing to do with my problem
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21:39<Icewind>my apt-get update does not work
21:41<gar>Icewind: what it say?
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21:42<Icewind>it's in portuguese
21:42<Icewind>i'm not using debian itself
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21:42<gar>do you get any key problem?
21:42<twb>What, then, are you using?
21:42<twb>Please use English, not l33t.
21:42<MrNaz>why does changing the name of the cookie name in php.ini break my sessions?
21:42<Icewind>Kurumin linux
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21:43<Icewind>0% [Conectando em (] [Conectando em (] [
21:43<twb>Kurumin is pt_BRized Knoppix.
21:43<Icewind>I can translate...
21:44<twb>Icewind: your DNS is broken.
21:44<twb>Icewind: please pastebin the output of the commands "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces /etc/resolv.conf"
21:44<gar>!tell icewind portuguese
21:44<Icewind>twb, yes, this thing happens with another programs too
21:44<Icewind>including IRC
21:44<tV2>04:44:52 Eastern Europe Time, mhm
21:45<Icewind>i needed to /dns ip
21:45<tV2>at 7:30 I'm going to a church
21:45<Quick>Can anyone else help me?
21:45<twb>tV2: thesist >scorn<
21:45<twb>*theist, rather
21:45<gar>Quick: Download Full install cd :D
21:45<tV2>Quick, I told you, Download full cd version
21:46<tV2>twb, ;)
21:46<Quick>But how wil lI connect after that?
21:46<gar>when you get console
21:46<tV2>Quick, after that We will be thinking about it :)
21:46<Quick>Oh well
21:46<Quick>Thanks everyone
21:46<twb>We? You consider yourself deified?
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21:47<tV2>tw, no, I don't
21:48<Icewind>cat: /etc/network/interfaces/etc/resolv.conf: Não é um diretório
21:48<Icewind>it means that it's not a directory
21:49<Icewind>but the first command worked
21:49<twb>tV2: why not?
21:49<twb>Icewind: you did not type my command verbatim.
21:49<tV2>twb, Why I don't consider myself deified?
21:51<Icewind>twb, what does it means?
21:51<tV2>mhm, I'm a tiny man
21:51<twb>Icewind: without change
21:52<twb>Literally, "same words"
21:52<Icewind>what do I need to change? cat /etc/network/interfaces/etc/resolv.conf
21:52<tV2>twb, I should typed "I will be thinking about it"
21:52<twb>12:44 <twb> Icewind: please pastebin the output of the commands "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces /etc/resolv.conf"
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21:55<tV2>mhm, I can't still installing nvidia packages from my repositories, mhm
21:58<Icewind>twb, interfaces is a document
21:58<Icewind>in /etc/network
21:58<twb>Icewind: I am aware of that.
21:59<gar>do this cat /etc/network/interfaces
21:59<twb>Icewind: please just pastebin the output of the two commands I gave.
21:59<gar>them cat /etc/resolv.conf
21:59<gar>more easy
21:59<Icewind>twb, i did that
21:59<twb>Icewind: where?
21:59<Icewind>but the second directory does not exist
21:59<Icewind>twb, console
21:59<twb>I give up.
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22:00<twb>I can't be bothered helping you with basic tech support procedure. Either install Debian or wait for someone else to help.
22:00<Icewind>kurumin@pedro:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
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22:01<gar>use a pastebin please
22:01<Icewind>did it work?
22:01<brunner>does anyone know if there's such thing as a modern laptop with a screen smaller than 15", resolution equal to or greater than 1400x1050, and with NVIDIA graphics?
22:01<twb>Icewind: now please, using a pastebin, paste the output of the commands I gave.
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22:01<twb>brunner: in Japan or Taiwan maybe
22:02<Icewind>twb, pastebin = a site where we post codes?
22:02<brunner>twb: that's fine. do you know of one?
22:02<twb>brunner: nope, sorry.
22:02<dpkg>Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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22:02<twb>The only brand I know that might have one is Sony's VAIO line
22:03<twb>But there are probably competing brands
22:03<Icewind>man the second command returned just one line
22:03<brunner>twb: I've looked, but I can't find one
22:04<brunner>twb: they come close
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22:05<Icewind>are you reading it
22:06<twb>Icewind: what is the output of the command "nslookup"?
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22:07<Icewind>I didn't run it
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22:08<Icewind>kurumin@pedro:~$ nslookup
22:08<Icewind>bash: nslookup: command not found
22:08<twb>Please pastebin the output of the command "dig"
22:09<Icewind>twb, the same thing
22:09<twb>Your system lacks basic tools needed for diagnosis. I cannot help you.
22:10<twb>You may wish to consider installing Debian instead.
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22:11<Icewind>twb, it's easy like kurumin distro?
22:11<Icewind>considering that you know this distro..
22:11<twb>I have not used the Kurumin distro.
22:12<twb>I have used the Knoppix system on which it is based, and I can tell you that internally it is a bloody mess.
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22:14<Icewind>twb, and the... I don't know the word but
22:14<Icewind>it's "putting perfume on it"
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22:15<Icewind>forgot that...
22:15<twb>I don't imagine that you will find Debian significantly harder to use than Kurumin.
22:15<Icewind>mauricio, where you from?
22:15<twb>It is a little harder to set up, but you only do that once.
22:15<mauricio>Icewind, uruguay
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22:16<microchip>what's up people
22:17<Icewind>twb, ububuntu is aparently not compatible with my modem
22:17<Icewind>but i w
22:17<Icewind>but I will download debian...
22:17<twb>I don't know anything about modems.
22:18<twb>Icewind: what province are you in?
22:18<Icewind>twb, Brazil
22:18<twb>Which part of Brazil.
22:18<Icewind>Rio Grande do Sul
22:18<Icewind>far away from pan
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22:18<microchip>twb, where're you from?
22:19<microchip>twb, where is that
22:19<twb>Icewind: this page lists Bazilian LUGs. If there is one near you, you should contact them and ask for help getting your modem working under Debian.
22:19<Icewind>twb, I'm just trying the g++ gcc
22:20<twb>microchip: = Victoria, Australia
22:20<Icewind>microchip, which part of Uruguay that you live?
22:21<microchip>Icewind, Rocha
22:21<Icewind>it's a city?
22:21<microchip>jaja Icewind si, a small city
22:21<Icewind>I went to Uruguai
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22:22<microchip>and did you like it?
22:22<Icewind>microchip, do you speak portuguese?
22:22<microchip>Icewind, no, just i understand a few words but nothing else
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22:24<Icewind>microchip, my cousin lives there
22:24<microchip>in Rocha or in Uruguay
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22:24<Icewind>he's moving to Motevideo
22:24<Icewind>this year
22:25<Quick>gar: If you're still there then I just remembered something, Mac Address Filtering, lol, so obvious, can't believe I forgot about it. Well thanks for your help
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22:26<microchip>Icewind, i like brazillian women, and ticholos
22:26<Icewind>twb, them, the problem is "broken DNA"?
22:27<twb>Icewind: DNS
22:27<twb> is not a normal IP address
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22:28<Icewind>twb, when I connect into a network
22:28<Icewind>it shows:
22:29<dpkg>beer is, like, liquid gold mate
22:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, return is not punctuation
22:29<Icewind>Connecting to ( port 6667...
22:30<twb>Icewind: yes, because your DNS server is broken.
22:30<Icewind>or something likely...
22:30<Icewind>twb, I'm using a "router"
22:30<twb>Yes, it's the likely router's fault.
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22:31<Icewind>twb, kurumin 7 is based on etch
22:31<Icewind>if it helps something..
22:32<tV2>sit-ups is very exhausting exercise
22:32<twb>#debian is really for support for Debian, not derived distributions.
22:34<cluck>Icewind: usa o produto original, e' smp melhor :)
22:34<Icewind>cluck, uehaue
22:34<cluck>(sorry, non speakers)
22:34<Icewind>cluck, pvt?
22:36<cluck>twb: it's a typical portuguese irc abreviation for always
22:36<twb>I have enough difficulty with English abbreviations.
22:36<cluck>i just told him to always use the original stuff cause it's always better
22:36<twb>Yeah, I got that
22:36<Icewind>twb, do you understand a bit of portuguese?
22:37<twb>No, I understand a bit of Spanish ;-)
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22:37<Icewind>cluck, can you answer me?
22:38<cluck>after learning lisp any language is easy =)
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22:41<twb>Tell that to my Korean teacher :-(
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22:42<Icewind>twb, kurumin probably uses the same file system that debian uses
22:42<cluck>Icewind: err.. wait, i need to go find what you sent me, i usually don't accept pvts
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22:43<tV2>Icewind, EXT or ReiserFS, Linux don't use NTFS as primary drive ;)
22:44<Icewind>tV2, ok
22:44<twb>Use ext3 unless you can coherently explain why xfs, reiserfs or jfs is more appropriate for your particular needs.
22:45<twb>That is the rule of thumb I recommend.
22:45<brandon>what is the best gnome theme?
22:46<tV2>brandon, default :)
22:47<twb>brandon: that's subjective.
22:47<Icewind>my PC is a i386/ ?
22:47<twb>Icewind: do you have a Linux system running on it right now?
22:47<Icewind>twb, yes
22:47<tV2>Icewind: probably yes
22:47<twb>Icewind: run the command `uname -a'
22:48<cluck>Icewind: yes, debian is easier than most people make it seem and personally i consider it way lighter than ubuntu (then again, i'm a control freak who nearly hand selected every package installed)
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22:49<twb>Icewind: so you have one of: IA32, AMD64 or IA64. Probably IA32. IA32 systems use the i386 flavour of Debian.
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22:49<Icewind>twb, it's 32 bits
22:49<Icewind>semprom 1.8ghz
22:50<tV2>also K7
22:50<twb>You'll probably find that can actually run the AMD64 flavour, but you won't see a big performance increase.
22:50<twb>At least, all the sempron systems I've seen lately support AMD64
22:51<Icewind>twb, does it have +/- 16gb ?
22:52<tV2>ee, 16gb?
22:53<cluck>Icewind: debian has lots of apps but you only need to install the ones you want/need
22:53<tV2>You don't need download all cd
22:54<Icewind>cluck, 1 is ok?
22:54<cluck>Icewind: if you have net on the target pc you might prefer to use the netinstall iso
22:54<twb>You need only download about 30MB of CD
22:54<twb>Of course, the netinstall image might not work with his modem
22:55<Icewind>I supose that it will
22:55<twb>Icewind: why do you suppose that?
22:56<Icewind>twb, because the modem connects automatically
22:56<twb>Icewind: the modem is a separate unit from the computer?
22:56<Icewind>and it's working in a debian based distro
22:56<Icewind>twb, yes
22:56<twb>Does the cable that connects the modem to the computer have two pins, or six?
22:57<twb>Sorry, 2 or 8?
22:57<Icewind>twb, I don't know
22:57<twb>If it has 8, then it will probably work
22:57<Icewind>but there's a hub and a modem
22:57<twb>If it only has 2 then it's much more likely to need a full 700MB CD
22:57<twb>Oh you have a hub in between?
22:57<Icewind>twb, yes
22:57<Icewind>this is a network
22:57<Icewind>3 pcs
22:57<twb>Then you're almost certainly OK
22:57<Icewind>2 at now...
22:58<cluck>Icewind: voce tem banda larga no pc, certo?
22:58<Icewind>mas é uma rede
22:58[~]twb mutters about UTF_8
22:58<cluck>twb: no problem, it's a broadband conection
22:58<Icewind>ele diz que eu to certo
22:59<Icewind>q vai funfar
22:59<twb>cluck: yeah, I guessed that from the existence of the hub
22:59<cluck>Icewind: english please
22:59<Icewind>cluck, ok
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23:00<cluck>i just translated so you'd understand what twb was really asking you
23:00<twb>Forgive me if I don't trust users to give accurate responses to technical questions.
23:01<brandon>what's the question?
23:01<cluck>twb: fine by me, i've had my share of wtf too :)
23:01<twb>brandon: the question was whether he was using a dinky winmodem
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23:03<Icewind>twb, it's better download am64?
23:03<iup>hello can anyone point me to a web based juke box somthing that will play my mp3;s and let me control it from the browser?
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23:04<cluck>Icewind: do you want flash in the browser?
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23:04<Icewind>cluck, yes
23:05<cluck>Icewind: then don't use amd64 yet
23:05<iup>I have tried slimserver but it does not seem to work
23:05<twb>Icewind: for a sempron desktop, don't use amd64
23:05<twb>flash = evil
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23:05<twb>iup: mpd
23:05<cluck>afaik flash and 64bit don't go well together
23:05<dli>twb, gnash support is going stable quickly
23:05<twb>Hmm, this is weird. "netsurf" gives me Korean by default.
23:06<twb>dli: flash is still evil
23:06<iup>twb, thanks i'll check it out
23:06<twb>dli: it locks out the visually impaired
23:06<cluck>twb: i agree, but we need to respect those who don't agree with us too
23:06<twb>cluck: which is why I said *not* to use amd64.
23:08<dli>amd64 is now and future, no need to be afraid of
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23:09<twb>Linux baal 2.6.21-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 10 21:39:38 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:09<twb>model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
23:09<twb>Only people that run loser proprietary binaries use i386
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23:14<Icewind>I don't have "important" things to ask at now
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23:14<Icewind>twb, tV2 cluck
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23:15<cluck>twb: actually i use i386
23:16<cluck>twb: my faithfull p3 has been going at it since before woody came out
23:17<twb>Fair enough.
23:17<cluck>damn that was a bad choice of words
23:17<twb>Don't be juvenile.
23:18<cluck>unintentional puns aside
23:19<cluck>this p3 733 w/ 128 has been my most reliable machine to this day
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23:22<cluck>twb: my bones may be old but my brain still secretly behaves as a moronic teen :)
23:23<gar><-- imac 1999 edition :D
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23:23<XyServer>I can't see this channel users lists on my xchat. How can I solve this problem?
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23:24<twb>XyServer: /names
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23:25<XyServer>yes, but I wanna a that beautiful list, with all users in a tree, so I can click on their names to open a private conversation or something else
23:25<twb>How decadent.
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23:26<hollywoodb>XyServer: it is probably just shrunk... see if on the right side (past the scroll bar) you can click & drag to expand a user list
23:26<XyServer>yeah! It's here!
23:26<XyServer>thank you!
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23:28<twb>faubackup and rsnapshot both suck. Are there any other tools that create hard-linked snapshots of parts of the VFS to another part of the VFS?
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23:45<gsimmons>twb: The only other one I can think of 'storebackup'. Haven't tried this however.
23:46<twb>I guess rsnapshot isn't so bad. The two things that annoy me since I started using it this morning are: 1) the config file requires literal tabs (wtf!?); and 2) it doesn't name each snapshot after date -Iseconds, but rather than the cycle (e.g. hourly.3).
23:47<twb>Neither of which are staggeringly terrible.
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23:48<brandon>what is gargnome?
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23:48<twb>You mean garnome?
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23:49<brandon>what is it?
23:50<chealer>!tell brandon about garnome
23:50<brandon>i found it
23:51<twb>Why doesn't groff's PDF output have a table of contents?! Grr!
23:51<twb>100 page manpages suck.
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23:52<brandon>are there any wm's that compare to metacity?
23:53<twb>Sure. kwin is also shit
23:53<twb>As is compiz/beryl
23:53<twb>If you want a contrasting wm, try ratpoison or aewm or tinywm.
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23:58<twb>How can I turn a whacking great MH mailbox into mbox format?
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