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---Logopened Sun Jul 15 00:00:01 2007
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00:06<gsimmons>twb: You could open the MH mailbox in mutt, tag and then save the messages to a new (mbox) mailbox.
00:06<twb>Yeah, that just occurred to me.
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00:09<level1>hi, I just got debian, and I cannot mount stuff (I get error messages)
00:09<level1>hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
00:09<level1>that comes up in a popup
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00:11<twb>gsimmons: however mutt seems only able to open one directory at a time
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00:13<gsimmons>twb: Yep. If you've many mailboxes to convert, it could take a while. Unless some method exists to "merge" them beforehand.
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00:16<jdhore>Has the new 2.6.21-6 kernel that migrated into lenny today fixed the problem with installing the Nvidia drivers?
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00:20<dpkg>mp3 is probably MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis)
00:20<level1>does debian have support for propreitary media formats by default? Ie, can it play mp3s? is there a trick to getting it?
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00:21<manphiz>level1, xmms plays mp3 out-of-the-box. I believe rhythmbox/audacious/bmpx plays mp3 too.
00:21<twb>manphiz: possibly not on Debian.
00:22<jdhore>Has the new 2.6.21-6 kernel that migrated into lenny today fixed the problem with installing the Nvidia drivers?
00:22<level1>I'm an ubuntu ex-pat, and ubuntu really did not support mp3s out of the box, no way
00:22<manphiz>I'm not a KDE user, but I think the xine back end should support mp3.
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00:22<manphiz>twb, why? my xmms works fine on mp3s.
00:23<twb>For legal reasons.
00:23<manphiz>jdhore, I don't think so, at least the changelog said nothing about it.
00:23<level1>hey, I don't think debian recognized my wireless card, because knetworkmanager doesn't seem to see it
00:23<level1>0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) <- lspci
00:23<manphiz>twb, then you may apt-get install xmms and give it a try
00:23<jdhore>manphiz, I don't think it was a Nvidia specific problem...I think it had something to do with the paravirtualization
00:23<twb>I don't use mp3s
00:24<jdhore>and would you mind linking to the changelog?
00:24<level1>twb: good for you
00:24<level1>twb: I would use flac and oggs vobis but all of my music is from friends
00:24<manphiz>jdhore, yea, I know that option. here the link
00:25<gsimmons>level1: You'll at least need additional firmware. Ask dpkg about ipw3945 ('/msg dpkg ipw3945').
00:25<manphiz>twb, I don't think your not-using-mp3 will prevent Debian from supporting it :P
00:26<jdhore>manphiz, thanks, and you're right, i don't see it in there...could be that vserver thing, but you never know...i guess i'll try it on next reboot
00:26<manphiz>jdhore, sure. And things will be fine when 2.6.22 comes :)
00:27<jdhore>manphiz, I'm sure they will, but it could be another 2 months till that happens :(
00:27<manphiz>haha, perhaps, but will be eventually :)
00:28<jdhore>true, true
00:28<jdhore>This is the tradeoff of running Testing i guess...
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00:29<level1>I thought intel was good about open source drivers... is that not true?
00:30<level1>now that I have the correct firmware, can I modprobe it, or restart, or what?
00:30<manphiz>level1, modprobe it, and check dmesg
00:30<jdhore>and yes, i know compiling my own kernel is an option, but the last time i tried that (which was my first time configging the kernel), it was a decent pooch booted and stuff, but i couldn't for the life of me get audio to work :(
00:30<level1>manphiz: any guesses what I'm going to modprobe?
00:31<manphiz>level1, modprobe -l|grep ipw , see any things about your ipw3945, since I don't know the exact name of it.
00:31<level1>I don't have modprobe... its not a function (?)
00:32<jdhore>i believe you need to run it as root
00:32<manphiz>level1, became root first
00:32<level1>sudo isn't enough?
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00:32<jdhore>also, the IPW2200 has a lot better support than the 3945 in my experience
00:32<manphiz>level1, then try sudo /sbin/modprobe
00:33<jdhore>sudo should work fine...i just tried it
00:33<jdhore>jd@thor:~$ sudo modprobe Usage: modprobe [-v]
00:34<jdhore>well, i'm off...later everybody
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00:35<level1>jdhore: even for intel pro wireless 3945 cards?
00:35<level1>I'd think the driver for the card is the best...
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00:41<chealer>level1: that's what he wrote...
00:42<chealer>level1: uh, jdhore was talking about cards
00:44<twb>I like the 4 of cups
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00:50<Braguz>Hi, do you know how to dumb-down gnuchess in xboard?
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00:53<level1>Hi, once I install postgresql, how do I get it running?
00:54<dpkg>A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see be sure to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ('First steps for the impatient').
00:56<level1>how is it that I have an info file pointing to a program that doesn't exsist?
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00:57<twb>level1: aptitude search ~c
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01:00<chealer>level1: it should start automatically
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01:10<tweakt>Is there a good guide to configuring NFSv4 on debian?
01:11<_tuzhila>man exports
01:11<tweakt>specifically v4
01:11<_tuzhila>why v4?
01:12<tweakt>because that is what I would like to use
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01:14<alaya>sudo sh -c echo "'1' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" doesn't work. any suggestions on how to change it with sudo?
01:14<_tuzhila>without sh -c
01:15<_tuzhila>try it
01:15<_tuzhila>sudo echo "1" > /proc/.....
01:16<alaya>that gives permission denied
01:16<alaya>forget it
01:17<twb>tweakt: I tried yesterday, but I gave up because it needed that kerberos stuff and my head hurt
01:17<_tuzhila>are you the member of sudo?
01:17<alaya>i thought maybe someone who is familiar with the issue and knew might have an answer
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01:17<tweakt>twb: I don't think it *needs* it, but it's designed to work with it... I can set up and configure Kerberos so i'm half way there
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01:19<twb>I couldn't find any follow-the-bouncing-ball docs for nfsv4 anyway
01:20<_tuzhila>try to find anything in /usr/doc /usr/share/doc
01:20<tweakt>ahh yeah... thats what I was hoping for. but I'm stumbling through the man pages. I got to where I expect it to mount, but nothing
01:20<twb>tweakt: mount -v?
01:20<fxiny>alaya: why echo "'1' ? shouudn't be just echo 1 ?
01:23<fxiny>tweakt: what's in your /etc/exports ?
01:24<tweakt>/etc/exports: /data *(rw,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check)
01:24<fxiny>try rwx
01:24<tweakt>eh? hmm
01:25<tweakt>exportfs: /etc/exports:1: unknown keyword "rwx"
01:25<_tuzhila>no, instead rw try rwx
01:25<tweakt>I just did?
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01:26<_tuzhila>oh, well, and what do you trying to get?
01:26<twb>That should be rw.
01:26<tweakt>like: /data *(rwx,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check)
01:26<tweakt>yeah, thats what I thought... only takes rw
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01:26<twb>You also need gss/krbi or something
01:26<_tuzhila>what do you want, in general?
01:26<twb>I think * tells it to be NFSv3
01:27<tweakt>tried those, you're supposed to be able to run in non-secure mode I also tried lines with: gss/krb5 gss/krb5i gss/krb5p
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01:37<_tuzhila>what means last numbers in stdout for uptime command?
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01:37<_tuzhila> 10:36:54 up 30 min, 1 user, load average: 0.45, 0.18, 0.14
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01:39<cahoot>man uptime?
01:39<twb>man loadavg
01:39<twb>The are the number of processes waiting for access to the CPU, averaged over 1, 5 and 10 minutes IIRC
01:40<level1>I'm trying to configure a postgresql database... when I send requests (or amarok sends requests), psql says, "Is the server running on host..." How do I know if postgresql is running, and how do I run it?
01:40<_tuzhila><twb>, what means number of proccesses, 0.45 proccesses? )))
01:40<chealer>level1: there should be a *postgres* process if it's running
01:41<twb>It means on average about one-half process is waiting for CPU
01:41<level1>chealer: no... I have a lot of "postmaster" processes
01:44<chealer>level1: that's not it. the name is "postgres"
01:44<level1>chealer: there is no process called "postgres".
01:44<level1>Incidentally, there is no command called postgres
01:45<twb>level1: it's pgfnord
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01:45<level1>twb: thats not a command for me either
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01:47<chealer>level1: then it's not running. it can be started with # invoke-rc.d postgresql... start
01:48<level1>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/postgresql not found.
01:49<level1>chealer: do I have some magical version of postgresql that is completely different than everone elses?
01:50<chealer>level1: not juste "postgresql", you have to complete depending on the version number, for example postgresql-8.2
01:51<level1>I did... at least i think I did
01:51<chealer>level1: what command did you issue exactly?
01:52<chealer>level1: before you got "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/postgresql not found."
01:52<level1>invoke-rc.d postgresql start
01:52<level1>okay, postgresql-8.1 workde
01:53<level1>but the server still isn't running
01:53<level1>psql: could not connect to server: Connection refused
01:54<level1> Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
01:54<level1> TCP/IP connections on port 5432?
01:55<chealer>twb: which package has a "man loadavg"?
01:56<twb>chealer: sorry, it was getloadavg
01:56<twb>From manpages-dev
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01:57<level1>I wish I got more info than "connection refused"
01:58<chealer>twb: eh, not much more helpful
01:59<twb>Docs on load averages suck
02:00<chealer>twb: that's what I thought before today, but I just checked Wikipedia and it seems OK.
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02:01<twb>Fair enough.
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02:13<langer>ich hab ne frage
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02:23<tuxdrummer>jemand da?
02:24[~]fxiny starts timing ...
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02:29<fxiny>feel free to ask , in english , or join a de chan :)
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02:30<tuxdrummer>well I've got a question to using CSS with wine is there anybody I've steam and css installed but css doesent start
02:30<tuxdrummer>I'm using debian Etch...
02:32<fxiny>counter strike yes ? , i don't have any idea . someone else maybe
02:32<tuxdrummer>okay thx...
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02:32<fxiny>tuxdrummer: all i can say is : does it run on wine ? have you checked codeveawers list ?
02:33<tuxdrummer>it runs on wine it is in the appdb on the silver list so it should work i guess
02:36<twb>I've never seen wine work properly
02:36<twb>Except for toy things like vsword or whatever the gratis .doc renderer is called
02:37<tuxdrummer>okay I tryed cedega but it didn't work either
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02:37<fxiny>tuxdrummer: have you tried running it in qemu ?
02:38<fxiny>wine is a pain in the a* . i have 0.0.20041019-1 installed and i don't want to upgrade it
02:39<fxiny>talking about games , obviously
02:39<level1>I asked this a few minutes ago, but do programs like amarok support mp3s out of the box in debian?
02:40<level1>or, what do I have to install to get them?
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02:48<tupa>level1 probably just some codec
02:48<kinus>who can tell me what's wrong with boot process, when it stops on "waiting for root file system......"
02:49<fxiny>level1: what engine are you using , xine ?
02:49<fxiny>kinus: wong grub menu ?
02:50<level1>yeah, It looks like amarok plays mp3s just fine
02:50<level1>I have a new problem
02:50<level1>I started kmix, and now every time I open a window or a dialog box in kde, it plays a sound
02:50<level1>its very annoying
02:50<level1>like, really really annoying
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02:51<fxiny>level1: i'm not using kde . i'm sure you can disable sounds clinkg around kde control center
02:52<level1>fxiny: I can't find it
02:52<kinus>fxiny: grub menu is untouched
02:52<twb>level1: it'll be in kcontrol somewhere
02:52<twb>probably under "themes"
02:53<level1>lol... I found it
02:53<fxiny>level1: iirc system notification ?
02:53<kinus>any suggestions about solution ?
02:53<level1>why would that be configured by default?
02:53<level1>I'm going to write someone a letter
02:54<twb>kinus: bad root= param?
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02:56<fxiny>kinus: remember ? grub starts counting from 0 , and btw : is xp booting today ?
02:56<twb>kinus: have you changed the kernel or swapped disks around inside the case?
02:56<fxiny>must be something really borked on your box
02:56<kinus>fxiny: yes..
02:56<dli>kinus, do you get a kernel panic failing mount rootfs?
02:56<kinus>twb: i changed kernel and make upgrade
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02:57<dli>kinus, can you boot the old kernel?
02:57<fxiny>kinus: what was it then ? we went through all options yesterday :)
02:57<twb>fxiny: are you ircing from the stricken machine?
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02:57<kinus>dli: i can boot in sarge kernel
02:57<kinus>fxiny: i forgot to add "boot
02:57<fxiny>was it boot flag missing ?
02:57<kinus>at the end
02:57<fxiny>kinus: YOU !
02:58<kinus>shame on me
02:58<fxiny>twb: me ?
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02:58<dli>kinus, what is the root= parameter now in grub?
02:58<twb>Bad completion
02:58<fxiny>kinus: you should have learned how to *manually* boot :)
02:58<fxiny>twb: no porbs :)
02:58<level1>I'm on etch, but I need the kde packages 3.5.7, can I get them without upgrading?
02:59<dli>level1, yes, you can backport
02:59<twb>level1: why do you think you need them?
02:59<dli>!tell level1 about backport
02:59<Kacha>Hello, anybody with Intel ipw3945 and kernel 2.6.21 (or 2.6.22)?
02:59<kinus>dli: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.-18-486 or smth like that:)
03:00<level1>how unstable is unstable?
03:00<kinus>root=/dev/hda3 ro
03:00<fxiny>kinus: where is initrd ?
03:00<fxiny>i bet you deleted :)
03:00<kinus>Bno no
03:01<kinus>is in initrd section
03:01<fxiny>kinus: "root=/dev/hda3 ro" ? are you sure ?
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03:01<fxiny>ro goes on kernel line
03:02<dli>level1, if you are asking, you should not be running unstable, if you run unstable, please don't ask for questions here
03:02<kinus>yes, i don't touch this lines..
03:02<fxiny>i'm wrong
03:02<kinus>it's default settings there
03:02<dli>level1, you can safely backport from unstable though
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03:03<fxiny>kinus: sorry root=/dev/hdb2 ro is ok (on kernel line) . i was thinking about root (hdxx,xx) line
03:03<kinus>root (hd0,2)
03:03<kinus>like old kernels
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03:04<dli>kinus, if you got the grub root wrong, grub would have prompted you missing files, and you couldn't have loaded kernel
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03:05<kinus>hmm... but i can use default kernel from sarge
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03:05<kinus>i didn't notice any errors..
03:06<kinus>hmmm.. i have no idea what to do now..
03:06<dli>kinus, I suggest boot the old kernel, and reinstall the linux-image package for etch, make sure you "update-grub" after that, and manually check your /boot/grub/menu.lst also
03:06<fxiny>kinus: use grub cli
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03:09<fxiny>level1: have you checked bpo ?
03:10<fxiny>i see many 3.5.7-2 kde debs on it
03:10<fxiny>no idea
03:10<Kacha>nobody has ipw3945? :|
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03:12<level1>fxiny: yeah, I added them to my sources, but when I do sudo apt-get install kde=3.5.7, it says that all of my packages were "kept back"
03:13<level1>fxiny: how do i unkeep them back?
03:14<fxiny>level1: you should read bpo instructions
03:14<level1>fxiny: its not in there
03:14<level1>fxiny: the instructions say nothing about packages being kept back and I followed the instructions exactly
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03:15<dpkg>i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
03:15<fxiny>level1: apt-get/tude -t etch-backports -s upgrade ?
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03:16<fxiny>level1: just check >> -s
03:17<fxiny>level1: de careful it will pull more then kde
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03:17<twb>Waah, non-UTF-8
03:17<twb>Don't make me set my client to 'auto-detect!
03:18<tuxdrummer>i get that error message when i try to mount my hd
03:18<tuxdrummer>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
03:18<tuxdrummer> missing codepage or other error
03:18<tuxdrummer> in some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
03:18<tuxdrummer>dmesg tail or so
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03:20<kinus>dli: to reinstall linux-image i need to use aptitude ?
03:20<kinus>or how do that?
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03:20<dli>kingsley, apt-get --reinstall install linux-image
03:21<dli>kinus, apt will prompt you a list of available kernel images
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03:23<twb>aptitude reinstall ~i~Plinux-image
03:23<kinus>ok.. i will check this solution..
03:23<kinus>doing ..:)
03:23<twb>I don't think that's the problem, though
03:23<twb>What is the filesystem?
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03:24<twb>Try adding reiserfs on a new line to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and issuing update-initramfs -u -k all
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03:27<kinus>k... brb :P
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03:27<nismo>hi there
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04:08<Rasenmaeher>Hi guys, I'm running testing, I installed the xorg package, startx runs fine, but when I exit X, my console resolution changes and the font is much larger, how can I correct that?
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04:16<dli>Rasenmaeher, what video card?
04:17<Rasenmaeher>ATI Mobility FireGL V5250
04:17<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to find a good multi tab console prg (currently I use xterm). I know about kconsole and mrxvt. Witch one is the best? I have problems with mrxvt and mc (guess because the pt lang option)
04:18<twb>It depends on your needs
04:18<twb>If you need bidi support, use mlterm.
04:18<twb>If you need antialiased l-to-r unicode, use urxvt.
04:19<twb>If you want gtk widgets, use xfce4-terminal or gnome-terminal
04:19<dli>Rasenmaeher, haha, poor guy
04:19<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: you may actually be happy just using a tiling WM
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04:19<twb>Yeah, tabs suck. They don't scale.
04:20<bcochofel>dondelelcaro: don't understand what you're saying!
04:20<twb>bcochofel: he's saying use ion or pwm instead of application-level tabs
04:20<dondelelcaro>or dwm or wmii or whatever
04:20<dli>Rasenmaeher, ati sucks, there's no solution. you may have to install the fglrx proprietary driver.
04:21<bcochofel>so much names I don't know...
04:21<matth_>or something like gnome+devilspie. I come from ion3, and am actually happy with that compromise.
04:21<twb>The ion and wmi families are run by complete nutters and have retarded configuration subsystems
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04:21<Rasenmaeher>dli: the problem is not with X, but after killing X, the normal console looks strange, but thx for your help, after rebooting its fine
04:21<dondelelcaro>wmii's configuration system is actually kind of interesting
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04:21<twb>Interesting like a road accident
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04:22<tarzeau>twb: :)
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04:22<dondelelcaro>not really; your configuration script is its own event handler
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04:22<bcochofel>I see, you're talking about wm. I use fluxbox and I'm quite happy with that
04:22<dli>Rasenmaeher, ati card is a random bug generator :( still make sure you have the latest fglrx driver (and you are using it in X)
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04:24<Rasenmaeher>dli: Do you know a current installer package which fetches the current drivers from the ATI website?
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04:25<fxiny>bcochofel: i use flux+mrxvt . mc runs fine
04:26<fxiny>but i'm using sarge mrxvt , i don't like etch mrxvt
04:26<dli>Rasenmaeher, here is a wiki:
04:26<dli>!tell Rasenmaeher about fglrx
04:27<Rasenmaeher>dli: Wow, perfect, thx man
04:28<dli>Rasenmaeher, again, it may introduce a new set of bugs, most likely :( just stay away from ati thereafter
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04:28<bcochofel>fxiny: I also use etch. My mc and special chars get messed up
04:29<fxiny>bcochofel: there is a workaround . i'm trying to rememebr , jm_ told me whe etch was released
04:29<Rasenmaeher>dli: My notebook leaves me no choice ;)
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04:30<yujie>ues cn in here ,ok?
04:30<dli>Rasenmaeher, I know, but lenovo has switched away from ati, at least
04:31<dli>!tell yujie about cn
04:31<dli>yujie: no, this is an English only channel
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04:31<dli>yujie, if you want to ask debian questions in chinese, msg me
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04:32<Rasenmaeher>dli: Yeah you're right, I got the t60p, the successor is delivered with a Quadro, but nevertheless I'm really happy :D
04:32<yujie>another channer must say english??
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04:33<dli>Rasenmaeher, there's a good news, people are developing open source driver for ati r500 cards
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04:34<dli>Rasenmaeher, if you are interested, check the news about this new avivo driver:
04:35<eisen_>I'm not to happy from what I saw with the thinkpad 61 series
04:36<dli>eisen_, concerning which part? I'm not happy because they sell vista with it
04:36<eisen_>e.g. they have battery life issues
04:37<dli>eisen_, yes, the new core2duo processors are just too hot :(
04:37<eisen_>overall the chassis seems to be cheaper. It bends more and the lid does not close properly
04:37<eisen_>with the t61
04:38<eisen_>then there is no 4:3 panels in high resolution anymore
04:38<fxiny>bcochofel: LC_ALL=C mc
04:39<fxiny>bcochofel: all credits to jm_ :)
04:39<bcochofel>fxiny: thx, I'll try it
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04:41<dli>eisen_, sounds like lenovo is really making them cheap :(
04:41<hacksign>well i hace an question
04:42<hacksign>who can help me ?
04:42<fxiny>what about the hinges are stong enough ? , heheheh
04:42<eisen_>the hinges are as sturdy as ever
04:43<fxiny>ok, windy day test passed :)
04:44<eisen_>dli: but since they ship with vista business you can downgrade to xp pro for 0$
04:44<eisen_>or better, upgrade to debian :P
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04:44<pumpkin0>!tell hacksign about ask
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04:45<dli>eisen_, no :( don't want to pay for windows, which I do use at all :(
04:45<dli>eisen_, I would like to see like
04:45<hacksign>when i configure some softwares
04:45<eisen_>dli: then you'll likely have to pay more
04:46<hacksign>the shell gives me some errors
04:46<hacksign>like ....
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04:46<dli>eisen_, looks like I will buy dell more likely :( since lenovo makes it cheap anyway, then, enough reason to go dell
04:46<hacksign>u need the GLib .......
04:46<dli>!tell hacksign about paste
04:47<eisen_>dli: there's still a huge gap between dell and lenovo qualitywise
04:47<eisen_>and in service
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04:47<dli>eisen_, I c
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04:48<hacksign>how can i know which is the right packet in synaptic
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04:49<cahoot>hacksign, you're compiling?
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04:49<dli>hacksign, you may try search in synaptic, or " apt-cache search " , or
04:49<pumpkin0>hacksign: if the error comes from ./configure => you do something wrong. use .deb for installs.
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04:50<cahoot>hacksign, then you want the corresponding -dev pkgs
04:50<hacksign>how can i get the deb pkgs ?
04:50<hacksign>i mean the pkg of the file i need
04:51<dli>hacksign, what are you building?
04:51<hacksign>a tcp sniffer
04:51<pumpkin0>hacksign: wireshark ?
04:51<hacksign>sorry but what is wireshark ?
04:52<pumpkin0>hacksign: the best net-sniffer i know.
04:53<hacksign>just a simple sniffer
04:53<fxiny>i know tcpick
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04:53<fxiny>should be on debian
04:53<fxiny>lemme see
04:53<fxiny>it is
04:54<hacksign>what ?
04:54<fxiny>since woody iirc
04:54<hacksign>the output
04:54<fxiny>hacksign: Installed: 0.2.1-3
04:55<hacksign>yeah i download the 0.2.x
04:55<dli>hacksign, why are you building it then?
04:55<hacksign>i want to download a flv file
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04:56<hacksign>i can do it with a borrower called Maxthon on Win32
04:56<hacksign>but i'm new user of Linux
04:56<dli>hacksign, try
04:57<dli>hacksign, chinese site?
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04:59<hacksign>it's worked
04:59<fxiny>hacksign: i think there is a firefox extension for flv
05:00<hacksign>i tried
05:00<hacksign>but it is of no use
05:00<fxiny>and mplayer plays flv
05:01<hacksign>tks,now tcpick has worked on my system
05:01<fxiny>is very colourful
05:02<hacksign>: ) in order to mark more clearly
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05:03<dli>fxiny, which firefox extension does flv downloading?
05:03<hacksign>u can download it
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05:04<hacksign>buy searching it on
05:04<petemc>keepvid have an extension
05:05<fxiny>dli: can't recall exactly . i'm not youtubing too much , i'm sure i downloaded a flv about lock-picking , and i watched it with mplayer :)
05:05<hacksign>forgive me everybody
05:05<hacksign>my bad English T_T
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05:07<flair>hi there, are there any books for debian etch?
05:10<fxiny>dli: very ipressive flv . german stuff .
05:10<dli>fxiny, I use gnash nowadays :)
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05:10<fxiny>dli: gnash ? (slurp) i never tried it , very leet . how ? :))
05:10<dli>fxiny, it plays youtube for me
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05:10<dli>fxiny, however, I'm using the cvs development version
05:10<fxiny>dli: bloody hell ! i'll google it for sure . i do anything to p*off :))
05:10<dli>!tell fxiny about gnash
05:11<fxiny>i see
05:11<fxiny>dli: tx :)
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05:11<dli>fxiny, it's still not stable yet, but quiet stable for youtube
05:12<dli>fxiny, also, I'm running gnash on x86_64
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05:12<fxiny>dli: that's ok . that's ok :)
05:12<fxiny>64 ?
05:12<dli>fxiny, 64bit, where adobe has no binary player yet
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05:14<fxiny>dli: i'll have a go with gnash after the bike race
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05:22<twb>No problem, just don't run evil binaries from evil companies
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05:25<_tuzhila>who knows what is etch?
05:26<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable
05:29<pumpkin0>_tuzhila: there are several "versions" of debian. etch is the rock-solid, not-so-brand-new one. Lenny newer but may have some little problems from time to time. sid is brandnew, bleeding edge and sometimes breaks in interessting way.
05:29<formorer>I find the breakages of testing much more interisting
05:32<pumpkin0>usually you can fix lenny/testing by running apt-get update; apt-get upgrade a few days latter. But for me sid broke in reinstalling-is-faster ways. OK, it depends on the kind of packages you use.
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05:38<fxiny>dli: compling with --enable-renderer=cairo ?
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05:38<dli>fxiny, let me check mine
05:40<dli>fxiny, I don't see cairo, I see ffmpeg renderer
05:40<fxiny>this box is a bit messy . i still have /usr/lib/ mozilla , mozilla-firefox and firefox :P
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05:41<dli>fxiny, I will show you my ./configure line
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05:42<fxiny>dli: in the meantime i do a ./configure --enable-media=ffmpeg , this box is a PII ...
05:43<fxiny>and is pretty busy rafting and streamripping :P
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05:43<fxiny>dli: that's nice . going there now :)
05:44<dli>fxiny, I think p2 is way too slow for gnash :(
05:44<fxiny>dli: HU :)
05:44<fxiny>dli: what a line !
05:44<dli>fxiny, gnash uses lots of ram still :(
05:44<fxiny>dli: we'll see . is compiling now
05:45<fxiny>lots ? usually i have flash (pig TM) disable by an extension
05:46<tV2>Apache 2 using a config file in "/etc/apache2"?
05:46<fxiny>i'm curious
05:46<dli>fxiny, gnash uses like 50% cpu on my core 2 duo, and 33MB ram
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05:48<fxiny>dli: yes ? on a core duo ? so i will try when i'll get one . maybe next month . for now i give up , too many warnings : CURL libs, No BOOST, Ming, MTASC, swfmill, zlib dev
05:49<fxiny>funny names indeed : i can't stand cairo but ming is even worse :P
05:49<dli>fxiny, you'd better first do " apt-get build-dep " using deb-src from sid
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05:50<dli>fxiny, core 2duo :( it's faster than core duo
05:50<fxiny>dli: so which do you recommend ? btw : i heard rumors some duo is buggy
05:51<twb>fxiny: abacus
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05:51<dli>fxiny, there's an article on, the core 2 duo problem does not affect linux
05:51<twb>It has lower power consumption
05:52<fxiny>abacus ? wtf ? another alien medieveal name ?
05:52<fxiny>ming cairo abacus !
05:52<dli>fxiny, also, I think core duo had been phased out by core 2 duo
05:52<twb>I expect it's actually indic.
05:52<twb>Or possibly persian.
05:54<fxiny>dli: duo core2 duo wtf ! intevil name manager is an idiot !
05:55<dli>fxiny, yes, the name sucks :( but the processor rules, amd still doesn't have an answer for core 2duo
05:55<dli>fxiny, so, unless you are looking for the very low end ones, amd is out
05:57<fxiny>nahh . i want a box for the next 7 years at least . this one is a '98 , i have a fat stupid 3G xeon (cheap mobo) . i want a 2 or 4G . i wanna play xen+selinux+lvm+uml+ANYTHING-BUT-EYCANDY . i wanna have fun :)
05:57<twb>fxiny: that only needs a PII
05:58<fxiny>dli: i will install flux on that box ! hahahah
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05:58<dli>fxiny, I run xfce4 on core2duo
05:58<fxiny>twb: this PII is a holy PII . is a deshutes : the very first one . it cost me an eye back in '98
05:59<fxiny>the first 400Mhz
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06:05<fxiny>i think a sane box should run 3 "debian releases" , maybe 4 . but when the clock thick 3 times a hardware upgrade is due
06:06<fxiny>mine will ends is life running etch
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06:06<fxiny>on the other hand , debian qualifies as the best cause it can run on hardware so long
06:06<dondelelcaro>fxiny: dunno, I've got machines which were potato and are now running etch
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06:07<fxiny>dondelelcaro: that's 4 :)
06:09<fxiny>dondelelcaro: runing flux on this one , but i've checked gnome , kde and xfce . they all works fine :)
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06:09<fxiny>i believe next desktops won't run at all or very very slow . let alone firebug !
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06:10<dli>fxiny, ram is more likely to be a bottleneck for very old machines
06:10<dondelelcaro>well, if you're running firefox, everything is a bottleneck
06:10<fxiny>dli: that's right , no slots avaiable
06:10<dondelelcaro>I still can't get over the fact that no matter how fast my machines are, the browser is still slow
06:11<dli>dondelelcaro, firefox is quite fast, still have to restart it from time to time, due to memory leak
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06:13<fxiny>dondelelcaro: you are absolutely right ! on my fast 3G firebug runs in an unacceptable way : it should run fast like links2 does on this . it does not
06:13<dondelelcaro>it may be fast for you, but certainly not for me
06:13<deepu>the package og tremulous is broken
06:13<deepu>the package of tremulous is broken
06:14<deepu>in stable
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06:14<dondelelcaro>'course, you probably don't have more than 20 tabs open at a time and have a habit of opening more than 10 in one shot
06:14<dli>fxiny, I have a box started from potato, now, it has 768MB ram (the maximum), and an extra 320GB hard drive (bios recognize 136GB), so it may last for further 2 releases
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06:14<fxiny>a 3G is 7.something times fastervthen this one
06:14<dondelelcaro>deepu: have you filed a bug? is there a bug filed? how is it broken?
06:15<deepu>dondelelcaro: no, i havn't
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06:16<deepu>and it is broken because when i do 'aptitude install tremulous', it says that this package is broken
06:17<fxiny>dli: good news , i did not upgrade my mobo or bios . just filled up ram slots with cheap second hand ram . added three hd cause the first was a small 4G . bios 98 don't read over 30G
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06:17<fxiny>so this bos is like it was , from a user point of view debian rocks cause it last longer
06:17<dli>fxiny, does linux read over 30GB?
06:18<fxiny>dli: HD
06:18<erev>Hye i have just one question i try to use wifi-radar with my wifi in wpa but don t work. i use ipw3945 and write in in USE WPA the driver wext someone could help me ??
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06:19<dli>fxiny, linux here reads the whole 320GB without problem, so I can disregard the bios hard drive issue
06:20<fxiny>dli: i could'n do that ! i had a 80G drive two years ago .
06:20<fxiny>then i found one of the last 30G made and i'm runing it now
06:22<fxiny>dli: for example : this old soso mobo can make my processor running at 200 or at 400 .
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06:22<deepu>can you help me?please
06:22<fxiny>dli: because when they build it no 400 were ready , so they made a trick
06:23<fxiny>dli: how old is your box ?
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06:26<erev>Hye i have just one question i try to use wifi-radar with my wifi in wpa but don t work. i use ipw3945 and write in in USE WPA the driver wext someone could help me ??
06:27<dli>fxiny, mine is a k7 900MHz
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06:30<fxiny>dli: anyway i believe virtualization is the first door to open . wasting ram on eyecandy on cubic desktops talking to crying windows users takes nowhere , so i want a modern processor
06:31<fxiny>and i want *that* processor run run run
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06:31<sh>I am running testing and have trouble compiling ATI's fglrx proprietary driver (paravirt problem). Google told me that someone solved the problem by re-compiling Debian's kernel image package after slightly modifying the kernel configuration file. I did apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.21-2-686, changed the appropriate configuration file and did debian/rules binary. Is that correct?
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06:34<sh>My computer is compiling and compiling and compiling, and I am waiting and waiting and waiting... Which Debian packages will be generated? Just a package for my i386 686 system? Or several packages for many different processors?
06:35<fxiny>i will enjoy encryption ,xen ,lvm ,maybe tor (who knows how things are going ? ) . all thins things are ready but i cannot use 'em with this hardware , i care a split zero for pseudo 3d acceleration or clik galore
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06:37<jMCg>fxiny: please fix your punctuation, your sentences are confusing my eyes.
06:38<fxiny>jMCg: that's the vodka you get from your fridge , my friend :)
06:38<jMCg>It's sliva, and I don't drink it.
06:38<jMCg>I'll leave it until I get married.
06:39<jMCg>So it should be the best sliva outside in and outside of [former] Jugoslavia that has never been drunk.
06:39<tarzeau>sh: probably just for yours, i usually use make-kpkg to build kernels
06:39<fxiny>jMCg: how can you agree on marriage if you don't drink that stuff before ?
06:39<tarzeau>sh: what cpu do you have? debian kernels build for as much drivers/hardware as possible, so it can take a while
06:40<jMCg>fxiny: I won't get married, silly.
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06:40<fxiny>jMCg: you said 13:39 < jMCg> I'll leave it until I get married.
06:41<fxiny>jMCg: it will be too late . too late :P
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06:41<jMCg>fxiny: sure. Never is just a long time.
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06:42<fxiny>jMCg: good point . i am late , not you :)
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06:48<sh>tarzeau: I've got a Intel Core 2 Duo processor
06:48<sh>tarzeau: But compilation failed in the meantime anyway...
06:49<tarzeau>sh: you use i386 or amd64?
06:50<sh>tarzeau: i386
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06:56<Reaper_NZ>what package do I install for vnc Xserver ??? :P
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06:59<gsimmons>Reaper_NZ: Either of 'vncserver' or 'vnc4server'.
07:02<Reaper_NZ>Chur chur!
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07:04<deb_totoch>good morning everybody
07:05<jMCg>Oh no not you again -_-;;
07:05<deb_totoch>he he !!!
07:05<jMCg>fxiny: I think, if I was a doormat, this is what I would say.
07:06<fxiny>jMCg: pass the slivo :)
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07:07[~]jMCg passes fxiny his slivo
07:07[~]jMCg gonna stick with the tea....
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07:08[~]fxiny drinks all . filled the bottle it with tap water
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07:08<fxiny>jMCg: just s sip . tx , i have to drive :)
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07:10<fxiny>jMCg: put it back on the fridge . today is too hot .will drink it togheter next winter .
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07:11<tweakt>dpkg, what is nfsv4?
07:11<dpkg>tweakt: I think you lost me on that one
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07:14<kinus>someone using ati radeon on debian? :)
07:15<peter_>yes :)
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07:16<tarzeau>here too, yes
07:16<kinus>why i try to install driver i get error like "./default_policy_sh" does not support version default
07:16<kinus>blah blah
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07:17<deb_totoch>kinus: yes
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07:20<ans>what is the method to determine what version to be put in shlibs in library like libglib2.0 or libgtk ?
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07:25<fxiny>shlivo , hic!
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07:27<peter_>kinus, how do you try to install drivers/ :)
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07:37<kinus>peter_: sh ati-driver-installer blabla
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07:38<peter_>kinus debian has native drivers for ati
07:38<peter_>kinus I guess you want to install fglrx yes?
07:39<peter_>I have to go, bye
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07:48<kinus>when i try start kde it tells that cannot connect to display
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07:50<cahoot>how do you start kde?
07:50<fxiny>kinus: i think you need an exor(g)cist
07:51<kinus>cahoot: startx
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07:52<kinus>hey, i have some packeges "stoped", how can i install those packets?
07:52<cahoot>what are you running?
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07:53<sem>prima volta in chat
07:53<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
07:54<sem>quindi funziona
07:55<fxiny>that's f* nice : first time chatting , and from debian !
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07:57<fxiny>sem: welcome sem . this is an english channel . if you have any questions we are happy to help you . try to stick to english . please :)
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08:00<sh>I am using make-kpkg to compile linux-source-2.6.21. The resulting Debian package contains i386 in its name. How can I build a Debian package for i686?
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08:00<cahoot>sh, that's just a name
08:01<ben_goodger>you aren't running an i686 operating system
08:01<sh>cahoot: How can I check then that the kernel is optimized for my Core 2 Duo processor?
08:01<ben_goodger>x86 is x86... there are certain optimisations for P4 and K7
08:01<cahoot>you should know if you did the config
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08:02<sh>cahoot: I copied Debian's 686 configuration
08:02<cahoot>check processor type/family or whatever
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08:02<sh>cahoot: I am re-building the Debian 686 kernel in order to get the latest fglrx drivers compiled...
08:03<sh>cahoot: Thanks. I'll take a look into the config file...
08:04<cahoot>CONFIG_MCORE2 ?
08:04<ans>$ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-0.shlibs
08:04<ans>libglib-2.0 0 libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0)
08:04<ans>what is the criteria to put 2.8.0 in shlibs?
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08:08<Reaper_NZ>can I run kde or enlightenment in VNC??? Should be able to aye...
08:09<deb_totoch>yes of course
08:09<deb_totoch>be aware
08:09<deb_totoch>don't use the VNC 4 !
08:09<deb_totoch>this is vulnerable to remote attacks
08:10<Reaper_NZ>Ahaaa, O.k., My net is behind firewall, and is all blocked..... Intended to be internal system and no WAN, so all coooll.. :)))
08:10<Reaper_NZ>Awesome... :))
08:11<deb_totoch>great !
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08:13<ans>can vmware or qemu run in background?
08:13<ans>like that the display is closed, but the machine is running in background
08:13<deb_totoch>ans : what do you mean by backgroung ??
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08:14<ans>or the Xwindow system is closed
08:14<stoned>hey is there any java plugin for browser in amd64
08:15<stoned>if not, how can one run it? chroot 32bit or nspluginwrapper
08:15<eisen>with the 2.6.21 kernel my vmware modules build (after some small code change in the module source) but it segfaults on insmod, complaining about a _slight_ header mismatch o.O. Does anybody know how to fix this?
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08:17<eisen>disclaimer before I get the !anybody crap: anybody would mean, people who run vmware-server on testing.
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08:19<eisen>ans: vmware-server has a cli interface
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08:19<eisen>you can start vms without having X running
08:20<ans>but not vmware-player ?
08:20<eisen>that I don't know
08:20<eisen>try vmrun
08:20<eisen>if it's there yes
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08:21<Reaper_NZ>if I install just the alsa base stuff will it pick up my SB 16/ Vibra 16??? I only got old boxes.... ;)
08:21<eisen>Reaper_NZ: yes, sound should work out of the box
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08:22<Reaper_NZ>hmmm... It doesn't seem to have it working in X.... I am useing kde...
08:22<eisen>well, unless it's a isa plug&play card
08:22<ifvoid>Reaper_NZ: isn't that an ISA card?
08:23<eisen>there were sb16 pci iirc
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08:23<eisen>how old can those boxen be?
08:23<AlteKiet>How can I convert a file from ascii to utf-8 - using vi?
08:24<ans>:%!iconv -t utf8
08:24<Reaper_NZ>Yeah, PCI... I got no ISA stuff... ;P
08:25<fxiny>old yamaha runs fine here : isapnp: Card 'OPL3-SAX Sound Board' , isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total
08:25<Reaper_NZ>I'm pretty sure this things got 33MHz PCI, and 66 Mhz PCI...
08:26<fxiny>Reaper_NZ: whales frequency :)
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08:28<AlteKiet>ans: somehow that is not working
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08:28<ans>AlteKiet: what error?
08:28<AlteKiet>ans: file is writable, vi: encoding=utf-8, fileencoding=utf-8, charconvert=utf-8
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08:29<AlteKiet>ans: no error, command file reports the file still to be Ascii
08:29<Reaper_NZ>is the output generally the one next to the gameport???
08:29<Reaper_NZ>and line in and mic are furthest???
08:30<ans>AlteKiet: since the file contain only 7 bit ascii?
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08:30<Reaper_NZ>I can't see, It's a bit cramped in the stack and I'm over extending even to reach it... :)
08:30<ans>AlteKiet: 7 bit ascii and utf8 has exactly the same encoding
08:30<AlteKiet>ans: that's right. I suddenly understand how 'file' works. Sorry bothering you
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08:31<AlteKiet>ans: I mean: it's right that the file only contains 7 bit ascii
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08:32<Reaper_NZ>And seems that only OSS is working, rest of the selections in the kde control center give errors, cept for threaded OSS....
08:32<Reaper_NZ>still get no sound though...
08:34<Reaper_NZ>will ALSA just pick it up???
08:34<Reaper_NZ>The hardware is there, just nothing coming out...
08:35<lupine>does 'aplay -l' report soundcards?
08:36<Reaper_NZ>don't have aplay installed...
08:36<lupine>it's in alsa-utils
08:36<Reaper_NZ>Haven't put alsa on yet... ;P
08:37<Reaper_NZ>Got aptitude lined up to go with it... :) just got to set to go....
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08:37<Reaper_NZ>Go Aptitude, Gooooo!!! :)
08:38<Reaper_NZ>I just set it starting and first of the list is alsa-utils.... I think that should solve my problem aye... ;P
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08:39<fxiny>apti takes her time , sweet donkey ...
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08:42<Reaper_NZ>yeah, does aye... but.... I'm sleeping anyways... :)
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08:46<mjk>Does anyone know a PCI (or even PCIe) soundcard with an original Yamaha OPL-3 chip onboard? I. e. not just OPL-3-compatible, but the Real Thing(tm).
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08:47<fxiny>card 0: OPL3SA23 [Yamaha OPL3-SA23], device 0: CS4231 [Yamaha OPL3-SA23]
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08:47<mjk>fxiny: And what's its name?
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08:48<fxiny>mjk: old case .i cannot open it easy , wires everywhere
08:49<fxiny>lemme see if i found docs
08:49<mjk>fxiny: lspci -v|grep -iC5 yamaha
08:50<mjk>fxiny: Oh ... so any clues in a simple "lspci"?
08:50<ans>if i have rar file, not all part (have only part1, other parts is missing), can i extract only the existing part ?
08:50<mjk>fxiny: Like "Creativ Labs foobar"
08:50<mjk>ans: I think I did that already.
08:50<mjk>ans: It's not as lame as ZIP. :-)
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08:51<fxiny>lspci detects nothing
08:51<mjk>fxiny: And you're sure it's a PCI card?
08:51<fxiny>mjk: looking for original docs
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08:53<fxiny>mjk: found a cd , covered by dust but still wrapped :)
08:53<mjk>fxiny: :-)
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08:57<velixzeen>hello, is there a way of changing the time offset from UTC so that my computer has the proper localtime displayed? I choose to use UTC at install time, not local.
08:57<mjk>velixzeen: Is your hardware clock set to UTC?
08:58<mjk>velixzeen: If so, you just need UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS and set a correct time zone.
08:59<mjk>!tell velixzeen -about utc
08:59<mjk>!tell velixzeen -about timezone
08:59<fxiny>mjk: opl3sa2
08:59<velixzeen>no, h/w clock is set to local time. Just did a hwclock --hctosys and that worked, but then executed ntpdate to get time correction, and I'm back to UTC
08:59<mjk>fxiny: Errr ... that's the name of the card?!
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08:59<velixzeen>I mean yes, h/w clock is local time
09:00<mjk>velixzeen: If your h/w clock is set to local time, then you probably should set UTC=no in rcS.
09:00<mjk>velixzeen: Do you have other OSs running on this machine?
09:00<velixzeen>yes, in a way: elive in VirtualBox
09:01<mjk>velixzeen: Hm, that's a special case I don't know how to handle.
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09:02<velixzeen>no problem, not too concerned, that scenario is for bashing/breaking/experimenting :)
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09:03<kinus>"fatal error: no screens found" to fix it?
09:03<velixzeen>I will now look into the /etc/default/rcS, that I have not investigated yet. Thanks!
09:03<mjk>kinus: Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:04<fxiny>damned rtff files : it says yahmaha opl32-sax (ymf-718-opl3sa2) chipset
09:05<mjk>fxiny: Ahaaaa, YMF-718! That's something I can google!
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09:05<fxiny>mjk: i never opened it before , looks like there is some fancy gui control . i think win98
09:05<mjk>fxiny: Brrrr! ;-)
09:06<fxiny>mjk: yeahhhhh very brrrrrr
09:07<fxiny>mjk: some "yahmaha station" application software . no idea what is it
09:07<fxiny>mjk: july 1977
09:09<fxiny>mjk: found the hardware configuration manual
09:09<mjk>fxiny: Aaaaaah, great!
09:09<fxiny>mjk: 3d sound effetc !
09:10<mjk>fxiny: :-)
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09:10<gulars>how do I change the speed of movement for just the touchpad on a laptop? the cursor oves really slowly with the touchpad, but the knob in the middle of the keys is fine :/
09:10<fxiny>mjk: found it . i get a magn len
09:11<fxiny>mjk: ymf-719 , opl III , sa III
09:11<mjk>fxiny: What, you found a picture? Or dismounted the soundcard?
09:11<fxiny>a picture , i cannot open that huge case
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09:12<mjk>fxiny: Okay, then I'll try ymf-719 as well
09:12<velixzeen>gulars: Is it a synaptics touchpad?
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09:12<gulars>I guess, It's a dell latitude d800
09:13<fxiny>mjk: what do you need ?
09:13<velixzeen>ok, I think it will be, I did a dell latitude 610 two weeks, ago
09:13<mjk>fxiny: A PCI or PCI express soundcard with original (not built-in) OPL-3.
09:13<velixzeen>same behaviour,
09:14<velixzeen>touchpad was way behind the track stick thing or a usb mouse when attached
09:14<mjk>fxiny: Because the built-in OPL-3s are said to sound noticably worse than the original -- and the various OPL-3 emulations sound completely different. :-(
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09:14<velixzeen>I fixed it, have to google, hang on.
09:14<gulars>did you manage to solve it?
09:14<fxiny>mjk: ahh you are looking for the real thing , i see . mine sounds pretty good
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09:15<mjk>fxiny: If it has an original OPL-3, then everything is fine. :-) But it's hard to find out via Google, I just notice ...
09:16<gulars>hmmm.. I installed hardinfo, and under input devices, Ive got a AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint, as well as a regular PS/2 Mouse
09:17<velixzeen>oh, that is different then, Alps and Synaptics have their own section in xorg.conf file
09:17<gulars>but xorg.conf is where to look?
09:18<velixzeen>but I suspect it will be similar fix, I had to change numbers in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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09:19<gulars>thanks for the directions of where too look :)
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09:21<velixzeen>I remember changin Option SHMConfig to true, then using a tool called synclient. At least I think it was synclient
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09:21<hejhejhej>I'm trying installing debian on my hp compaq 6715s, but the installer can't find my network card :(
09:21<Shiver>Hi :) I'm trying to use my microphone under Lenny using ALSA-Mixer. Enabling wouldn't work, tho sound is active. Maybe Driverissues?
09:21<hejhejhej>here is the spec for the computer
09:21<hejhejhej>What to do?
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09:22<velixzeen>gulars: but that was for synaptics touchpad, as I said.
09:22<kinus>what i need to change in xorg.conf to run xwindow on ati card ?
09:22<gulars>well, in my xorg.conf it's listed as a synaptic :P
09:23<velixzeen>I see. No Alps section?
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09:23<fxiny>mjk: i've made an iso . just 83M if you want it
09:23<gulars>velixzeen, nop
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09:23<mjk>fxiny: Have you tried to let dosbox directly access the OPL-3's ports?
09:23<fxiny>never tried
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09:24<fxiny>mjk: why ?
09:24<gulars>velixzeen, was it this line: Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" ?
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09:24<fxiny>mjk: am i missing something important ?
09:24<hejhejhej>I fail to install, because debian cant find my network card.. What to do?
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09:24<mjk>fxiny: Thanks, but I probably cannot find out with the ISO if there's a real OPL-3 onboard, as the built-in OPL-3 things are h/w- and s/w-compatible.
09:24<gulars>kinus: have you installed the drivers?
09:25<velixzeen>Well, memory is getting foggy, but I think not, I think it was a value of 0.06 and I had to change it up to like 5 or something
09:25<velixzeen>I am still searching . . .
09:25<mjk>fxiny: Well I want DOS games to have *real* OPL-3 sounds, because I don't trust any OPL-3 emulation anymore (because they all sound different).
09:26<fxiny>mjk: this is not an on board card for sure
09:26<kinus>gulars: yes
09:26<kinus>or something
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09:26<mjk>fxiny: No, I mean OPL-3 "cores" that are built into a larger chip, most likely some wavetable chip. These built-in OPL-3 are said to sound worse than the original.
09:27<gulars>sudo aticonfig --initial I think
09:27<mjk>fxiny: That's why I am looking for original, external OPL-3 chips with OPL-3 (solely) printed on them. :-)
09:27<velixzeen>gulars: It was minspeed and maxspeed
09:27<fxiny>mjk: it is like that
09:27<mjk>fxiny: I have ISA cards with original OPL-3, but no PCI card.
09:27<kinus>gulars: sudo ?
09:28<velixzeen>one is for slow motion control and then maxspeed is the second speed
09:28<gulars>or just log in as root
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09:28<mjk>fxiny: What is like what? The built-in cores sound worse? Or your card has an external, original OPL-3 with "OPL-3" printed on it?
09:29<gulars>sudo is used to elevate a regular users priviliges for a spesific command
09:29<fxiny>mjk: according to the docs it has a chip with opl III printed on it , i'm sorry i really cannot opent it up atm . but i will
09:29<velixzeen>gulars: I remember making a large change to the values, that is doubling them did not seem to produce enough speed, Also I played with the AccelFactor. That was it.
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09:30<gulars>I'll try googeling a bit - thanks :D
09:30<mjk>fxiny: Wow, that'd be cool!
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09:31<mjk>fxiny: Can you see how many pins (roughly) the OPL-3 labelled chip has? Or is the picture too small?
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09:31<fxiny>mjk: this box back in 98 it cost me 2685 euros
09:31<velixzeen>gulars: Does tapping work, I could not get that going.
09:31<mjk>fxiny: Sweet lamas of the Bahamas! %-)
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09:31<gulars>velixzeen, yep, that works out-of-the-box
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09:32<fxiny>mjk: and no printer . the PII deschtes was not on sale in this banana republic , i had to wait one and a half month
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09:32<velixzeen>interesting, well, good luck!
09:33<hejhejhej>plz help! I can't install debian, becuase it can't find my ethernet card :(, what to do?
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09:33<fxiny>mjk: i simply wanted it , it has a rage II ati pro and a mighty 4G hd , hahahahah
09:34<mjk>fxiny: I currently have some ISA soundblaster on my desk, and the OPL-2/3 (dunno which one) chip is labelled "Yamaha YM3812" and comes in a 24-pin DIL housing.
09:34<mjk>fxiny: Whoaaaa! ;-)
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09:36<deb_totoch>is there a special channel for scripting purposes ??
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09:37<fxiny>mjk: a friend of mine bought 4 of this boxes for 40 euro each , he said : do you want one ? i told him to f* down the street:)
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09:38<mjk>fxiny: Is he such a potent guy to f* his way down the street? ;-)
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09:41<hejhejhej>please help me
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09:41<hejhejhej>How do I figure out what netword driver I need=
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09:41<jMCg>lspci -v
09:41<freight>I've installed mysql on etch using the packages. I get the 2003 error, and following '' page, opened my.cnf. bind_addy is correct IP for nic, but my.cnf says it listens only on localhost. How do I change it so I can access remotely?
09:41<jMCg>Is a good beginning, I suppose....
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09:42<fxiny>jMCg: still alive ?
09:42<hejhejhej>jMCg uumm! I got a huge list of stuff here
09:42<jMCg>fxiny: nah.
09:43<freight>this is a hosted server, and the host says 3306 is open, but it does not show up on an nmap
09:43<hejhejhej>"Ethernet Controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown Device"
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09:44<freight>!beer beer
09:44[~]dpkg pours a litre of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for beer
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09:44<hejhejhej>jMCg so what should I do with this information? :o
09:44<freight>hej: did you google for your particular nic model?
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09:45<noflash>hejhejhej, this stuff comes with documentation
09:45<jMCg>fxiny: ps -A waux | grep -v grep | grep jMCg | awk '{print $8}' | grep Z && echo PANIC! && rm -Rf / && init 6
09:45<hejhejhej>noflash hmm
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09:46<freight>hej: what's your nic make and model?
09:46<fxiny>mjk: no pins on the ymf chip icon . 16 on a amp on the right corner , somthing else is labelled rom 1mxe
09:46<hejhejhej>freight I have no idea
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09:46<fxiny>jMCg: waux ? do ypou mean wauxall ? that crappy car ?
09:46<mjk>fxiny: Well, maybe I find out via Google -- just today doesn't seem to be my lucky Google day. :-)
09:46<noflash>hejhejhej, has some info for you
09:47<deb_totoch>FOR A GIVEN COMMAND : Is it possible to khow if it has "colored output" option or not by CODE ??
09:47<emonge>hejhejhej, Have you tried with tg3 module?
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09:48<hejhejhej>emonge nope! btw, now since I've left the installer and gone to console mode, can you get back to the installer without rebooting?
09:48<freight>hej: do a lspci and see what it says for your Ethernet COntroller.
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09:48<mjk>freight: 16:43 < hejhejhej> "Ethernet Controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown Device"
09:48<hejhejhej>"Broadcom Corporation Unknown Device 1713 (rev 2)
09:48<freight>Wow, helpful.. hrm.
09:49<mjk>Oh, Guest400 is so much more anonymous than david.
09:49<beer>I have tryed to install Debian Lenny, kubuntu 7.04/7.10T2 on my system and are getting this error:..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC kernel panic - not syncing: IO-APIC + timer doesn't work! Boot with apic=debug and send a report. Then booting with the 'noapic' option" I do not have this error in etch
09:49<deb_totoch>for example : the ls command !!
09:49<deb_totoch>i'm trying to write a shell script
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09:49<deb_totoch>that lists all the commands that have color output feature !!
09:49<deb_totoch>any help please !!
09:49<beer>I am using m2n4-sli ffrom Asus (with latest bios) and a ahtlon x2 5000
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09:50<hejhejhej>freight any ideas? :)
09:50<beer>someone there have any idear what that is?
09:50<freight>hej: thinking.. and searching.
09:51<freight>hej: wireless or hardline?
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09:51<hejhejhej>hejhejhej, hardline (it has wireless too, but I don't use that)
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09:52<ayb82>hi all
09:53<yos87>I have question, I move many picture form windows to debian pc, in windows I could see all images metadata, how can I see the metadat of the pictures in debian? and how can I edit?
09:53<freight>hej: home built system or pre-built?
09:53<ayb82>yos87 : editing is possible with the gimp
09:54<mjk>yos87: "exif" is for displaying EXIF data.
09:54<hejhejhej>freight pre-built, a laptop model: hp compaq 6715s
09:54<ayb82>yos87 : i guess with the gimp you can also see the metadata !
09:54<emonge>hejhejhej, broadcom have the linux drivers available for download,
09:55<hejhejhej>emongo but how do I get them to the laptop? :S
09:55<hejhejhej>I got that yes
09:56<hejhejhej>can I use that?
09:56<emonge>use TAB key hejhejhej ;)
09:56<hejhejhej>ok sorry
09:56<bzed>beer: what did you try now? lenny or kubuntu?
09:56<emonge>hejhejhej, np :)
09:56<beer>I tried both and got the same bug
09:57<bzed>boot with noapic as kernel option then
09:57<hejhejhej>emonge How do I know which chipset I have? (So I download correct netword driver)
09:57<beer>I tried only Kubuntu witj noapic option but then my mouse and keyboard did not responce
09:58<Shiver>Anyone here using alsamixer, who can help me enabling my mircophone? i already enabled Mic-Capture... according to the manual this should activate microphone, but i can'nt here myself using Skype- or teamspeak-tests
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09:59<bzed>beer: first update your bios and try again, if it doesn;t work then you could try with noioapic or nolapic, or acpi=off (I doubt that'll work, but you can try it - definitely not to optimal way).
09:59<beer>I have send a bug report both to Kubuntu and debian teams. The debian team did ask me also to send a bugreport to the kernel devs
09:59<emonge>hejhejhej, wait me a minute
10:00<beer>I am running with the latest stable BIOS bug there is a beta bios on Asus homepage. Should I try to use that? Btw that bug is not in etch so it have been introduced at a later date
10:01<Shiver>sound is working, so i guess the modules needed are all there
10:01<yos87>ayb82: Thank you verymuch , its working, But, I have some pic's I use to add big comment on windows, But here, when right click scan exif data it show windows much bigger then the screen including numbers 00x4433 .... it seems my comments on the pic, do you have idea why the words not appear?
10:02<bzed>beer: not sure if you want to use beta bioses
10:02<bzed>beer: but runnign with acpi=debug and sending the informations is something you shuld do. if you don;t know how to pass it to the kernel acpi devs, please mail at least the debian kernel maintainers and ask them to forward it
10:02<beer>I dont thing I should either
10:02<emonge>hejhejhej, according to hp website
10:02<bzed>beer: in the meantime you could run lenny with 2.6.18 from etch
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10:03<bzed>beer: install etch and upgrade from there, but don;t installk a new kernel. that should work fine
10:03<Shiver>I also tested this via skype, I cannot hear my one voice after recording, but i can here me talking, when I say something into the mic
10:03<yos87>ayb82: and many another tags not appears at all, like the auther, subject
10:03<emonge>hejhejhej, you must try with the Broadcom Ethernet NIC NetXtreme Desktop Driver Downloads
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10:04<emonge>hejhejhej, if you look the broadcom website it's the only driver for wireless devices
10:05<emonge>hejhejhej, at the NetXtreme Desktop/Mobile section
10:05<yos87>in windows, I use to make file list by details, and see all images metadata, subject, auther, comment , and date pc taken
10:05<beer>bzed: Sending reports is something I have already done, but it seems like many other people have the same problem (at least with kubuntu) so I belive there is no easy fix atm
10:06<bzed>beer: use the old kernel then, that's an easy fix
10:06<hejhejhej>emonge yea, got it :), however, I now have a few tar.gz files on the usb-stick, how do I mount that one and use the files on the laptop?
10:07<yos87>somebody can help me through ?
10:07<beer>bzed: not when I would like to play around KVM from kernel 2.6.20+ ;( But I belvie I can waite for some time
10:08<bzed>beer: that's not a problem, install 2.6.18 and build the kvm module from source
10:08<jake_>hi guys, I'm new to linux world and I installed Debian yesterday, (on powermac g5) is there nvidia drivers for it ?
10:08<bzed>beer: get the kvm-source package and build it
10:09<beer>bzed: I will try to do that
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10:09<beer>tx for you time
10:09<jake_>i searched nvidia but could not find any for ppc
10:09<bzed>jake_: before you mess with your system by using the drivers, first check fi there's not a debian apckage with them in contrib/non-free
10:09<_tuzhila>no, you need it for linux
10:09<emonge>hejhejhej, mount /dev/sdX /mount/point/
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10:09<bzed>_tuzhila: has linux drivers to download for their cards, but probably nor for PPC
10:10<freight>hej: ok, I've been searching, as as far as I can tell, HP has some modified version of a broadcom ethernet chipset. HP's not giving up the info, and I can't seem to find it anywhere else. YOu may have to call HP for that.
10:10<jake_>so i cant use compiz then ?
10:10<hejhejhej>freight :S
10:10<_tuzhila><bzed>, linux is linux
10:10<_tuzhila>why ppc?
10:10<bzed>jake_: if you don;t find any drivers for nvidia on ppc - no
10:10<bzed>_tuzhila: linux is not linux
10:10<jake_>ah shucks
10:11<_tuzhila> provides nvidia-installer with sources, and he can to compile them
10:11<ayb82>yos87 : what is the software used in windows to create these tags ?
10:11<_tuzhila>for linux on ppc
10:11<bzed>_tuzhila: ppc is a different architecture, as nvidia is shipping a pre-build object file you have to link, you can;t use it on other platforms then it was made for
10:12<yos87>ayb82: Just right click > properties, then you can add or edit tags
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10:12<_tuzhila>you may to install kernel-sources and than compile nvidia driver
10:12<_tuzhila>kernel-sources for ppc
10:13<ayb82>yos87 : you can if you want re-edit these tags in gimp
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10:14<yos87>ayb82: nothing standard? if i re-type all of them, then copy pix to cd, metadata will appear in windows? and editing that for many images is diffecult in gimp. nothing like mp3 tags? you can view and edit everywhere?
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10:15<_tuzhila><bzed>, what do you think?
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10:15<yos87>ayb82: and also, if I want to re-type all of them, first I need to see (:-
10:15<freight>And I still can't get to my MySQL server remotely. my.cnf says networking is bound to localhost by default, but does not tell how to open it to remote access. Nor can I find a reference anywhere else.
10:15<ayb82>yos87 : the gimp is a powerfull software
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10:16<yos87>ayb82: there is gimp view and give editor , which one do you mean?
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10:17<ayb82>yos87 : the gimp i mean
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10:18<yos87>ayb82: no, not powerfull, you cannot edit tag for 100 image in same time for example
10:18<yos87>you need one by one
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10:19<yos87>on easytag you can edit tags for large number of mp3 files
10:19<df1amb>Hi I'm trying to suspend my Laptop with kpowersave but it won't work and in my case google can't help me. I installed hibernate, uswsusp and powersaved. When I call powersave -U as root it works but when I call it as normal user powersave tells me that ist can not connect to dbus.
10:19<ayb82>yos87 : wich software can do that then ??
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10:19<ayb82>yos87 : you are comparing an image software to sound tag editor !!!!
10:20<yos87>ayb82: there should be one, I have no idea about it, or if possible for windows software to convert his metadata
10:20<yos87>ayb82: both are metadata
10:21<yos87>I mean, easytag is more functional then windows, and everything here is more functional, But I stock on my images metadata
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10:23<df1amb>Hi I'm trying to suspend my Laptop with kpowersave but it won't work and in my case google can't help me. I installed hibernate, uswsusp and powersaved. When I call powersave -U as root it works but when I call it as normal user powersave tells me that ist can not connect to dbus. any idea to get this work?
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10:24<yos87>ayb82: Thank you for your help
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11:09<df1amb>Hi I'm trying to suspend my Laptop with kpowersave but it won't work and in my case google can't help me. I installed hibernate, uswsusp and powersaved. When I call powersave -U as root it works but when I call it as normal user powersave tells me that ist can not connect to dbus. Any idea to get this work?
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11:32<nigel_>I just installed xfce4 and I want to use it instead of Gnome. How do I make it the new default?
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11:43<sh>Hi guys.
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11:43<sh>Why does /etc/modules contain only 1 line (loop)?
11:43<davidh>linux26 installation failure. "There was a problem installing the selected software. One or more packages failed to install. This may be due to bugs in the packages, or you may be out of disk space or experiencing some other problem"
11:44<davidh>on IBM T42 laptop
11:44<cahoot>udev takes care of most as I understand it - sh
11:44<sh>cahoot: Thanks, I'll man udev
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11:44<sh>cahoot: Is modconf deprecated?
11:44<davidh>Any idea?
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11:45<cahoot>sh, can only say I've not used it for 1-2 years
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11:46<sh>cahoot: Yes, I am suffering at the moment cause I haven't had a Debian box for some years...
11:47<bzed>sh: udev loads all modules for the hardware it detects, you only need to add the modules you'd have to load manually to /etc/modules
11:47<bzed>davidh: what is linux26>
11:47<bzed>davidh: and how did you get his error message?
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11:47<davidh>bzed: linux26 is for installation of linux with kernel 2.6
11:47<sh>bzed: Thanks.
11:47<bzed>davidh: uhm, why are you using the sarge installer?
11:48<bzed>davidh: sarge is oldstable since months now, download the etch installer and use it
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11:48<davidh>bzed: When I select Desktop package, then this message appears on the screen
11:48<Gingetsuryuu>Hi. I'm trying to install the netinst for the amd64, the install goes up to a point where it says "debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Configuring popularity-contest called"
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11:48<bzed>davidh: although the sarge isntaller should still work, but you don't want to install sarge anymore
11:48<davidh>bzed: what is etch installer?
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11:48<bzed>!tell davidh about d-i
11:49<Gingetsuryuu>Its been there for 10 minutes now. Is it suposed to take that long?
11:49<bzed>Gingetsuryuu: are you using the latest/daily build of the installer or the one which was released with etch>
11:49<davidh>bzed: what is d-i
11:50<bzed>davidh: read what dpkg told you
11:50<Gingetsuryuu>bzed: debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso
11:50<Gingetsuryuu>Thats all I know...
11:50<bzed>Gingetsuryuu: hmm, weird, I've used that image several times now
11:50<bzed>and it always worked
11:50<Gingetsuryuu>I have to mention I have a reasonably slow connection.
11:50<davidh>bzed: what i s`If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i`
11:51<bzed>davidh: did you read what dpkg told you?
11:51<Gingetsuryuu>And even though I'm in South Africa, I'm using an American source for apt. SA servers are slow and dodgy.
11:51<davidh>bzed: Yes.
11:51<davidh>But still don't understand the sentence
11:51<bzed>davidh: you want to download the installer for Debian etch, which is the latest release, and use it to install it
11:52<bzed>davidh: ignore the custom cd part
11:52<davidh>bzed: Where to dowloand the installer?
11:52<bzed>Gingetsuryuu: switch to the console by using ctrl+alt+f2, and have a look if theres a process you could kill.. or so
11:52<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
11:53<bzed>davidh: try the first link? see .... for images
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11:53<Gingetsuryuu>Will "/bin/sh /tmp/popularity-contest.config.238871 configure" work?
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11:54<bzed>Gingetsuryuu: if that';s runing, killing it probably helps
11:54<bzed>it should not hang
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11:55<chealer>Gingetsuryuu: did you check what's going on using a console?
11:55<davidh>bzed: I'll do
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12:04<KaiSVK>hi all
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12:05<KaiSVK>I have solved almost every small problem ... except ... I have some very bad lookin' fonts in iceweasel
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12:05<KaiSVK>does anyone know some solution ?
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12:13<sh>It's me again. My ThinkPad is equipped with a Intel 3945 wlan card. lsmod says module ipw3945 has been loaded. But ifconfig says there is no corresponding interface. What do I have to do to set it up?
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12:15<mina>hello world
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12:17<zaq>sh: have you tried iwconfig?
12:19<sh>zaq: iwconfig complains that both interfaces lo and eth0 have no wireless extensions
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12:22<zaq>sh: try /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop;rmmod ipw3945;modprobe ipw3945 disable=0 associated=1;/etc/init.d/ipw3945 start
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12:23<sh>zaq: Thanks, I'll try.
12:24<zaq>sh: to be honest, my ipw345 card does not work, but those are some commands I was told to try, yours has different issues than me
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12:25<zaq>sh: it's incredible with firmware and debian packages that this card is so hard to install and run
12:25<sh>zaq: YESSSSS! Thanks a lot!
12:26<sh>zaq: How do I have to modify my system configuration in order that everything works after system startup?
12:26<zaq>sh: cool, no prob! wish I could get mine running!
12:26<sh>zaq: Where is your problem?
12:27<zaq>simply won't connect, sees the essid but no connection
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12:28<sh>zaq: So I am glad that I have no wlan here ;-)
12:28<zaq>sh: well anyhow glad I could help!
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12:29<sh>zaq: How can I specify the disable and associated parameters at bootup time?
12:30<zaq>sh: you'll have to ask another expert in here, my guess; modify the init.d file, not sure how
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12:33<elvis>#can anyone help me with mysql
12:34<ricky>If it's a general mysql question, you might have better luck in the mysql channel.
12:34[~]fxiny waits for the midnight express train
12:34<elvis>well it says mysql is installed on my server but when i do apt-get remove it say it isnt
12:34<sh>The ipw3945 kernel module must be fed with 2 parameter values at startup time. How can I do this?
12:35<chealer>elvis: otherwise, ask your question
12:35<ricky>Aha- then that might be Debian-specific :)
12:35<elvis>hi again chealer
12:35<chealer>hi elvis
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12:36<ricky>elvis: So apt-get remove mysql-{client,server}, right?
12:36<elvis>i need mysql installed but for some reasn it wont run
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12:37<elvis>so trying to remove it to re install it
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12:39<elvis>ricky when doing apt-get remove mysql
12:39<elvis>it says it aint installe
12:39<ricky>There's no mysql pacakge, as far as I can tell.
12:40<ricky>Try the -server or -client packages.
12:40<elvis>ahh client was installed
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12:41<sh>How can I provide kernel modules with special parameters at load time? Anyone?
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12:42<elvis>so if i do apt-get install mysql-server? it wont fail on run?
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12:42<ricky>O dpm
12:42<ricky>(Sorry) I don't believe so.
12:43<elvis>i know if i do apt-get isntlal mysql it installs the server version
12:43<elvis>sorry apt-get install mysql
12:43<elvis>it installs server verson 5
12:44<fxiny>installs nothing
12:44<elvis>it says it is trying
12:44<elvis>but fails on run
12:45<fxiny>elvis: to play with apt use -s options (apt-get -s install <packagename> )and see by yourself
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12:46<elvis>ok i had to do apt-get -s install mysql-server-5.0
12:46<elvis>whats tinyca?
12:47<fxiny>ask apt . apt-cache show tinyca
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12:47<elvis>it recomends tinyca when i done that last command
12:48<elvis>well suggests
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12:51<J1M>Hey, anyone come across a bug where hal fails to upgrade with a custom kernel?
12:51<KaiSVK>problem with fonts solved :) dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig did the job :)
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13:04<chealer>J1M: check the BTS
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13:08<kop>I want to tweak the runlevels of a daemon. Is there anything I can do to let apt know about this so that future upgrades, etc., go smoothly?
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13:17<flami>Hi under which path can i find all available kernel modules
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13:18<chealer>flami: /lib/modules/`uname -r`
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13:21<flami>now i found the module i need ( pl2303.ko ) just type " modprobe pl2303 " to load it ?
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13:24<chealer>flami: yes
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13:25<flami>hurray . thanks again
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13:29<stefan_>what command clears the stored .deb:s from apt-get?
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13:29<streuner>man apt-get
13:29<miksuh>stefan_: apt-get clean
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13:30<stoned>is there any java plugin for amd46
13:31<miksuh>46bit ? :)
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13:34<linuxaddict_>anyone got this wierd problem, iceweasel loads pages, but they do not appear, i add more space to the window and they appear
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13:47<linuxaddict_>found it
13:47<linuxaddict_>corrupted theme.s
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14:03<Convirion>I have version: 2.6.8-2-386 of debian, and i have a problem
14:03<Convirion>It is a multiuser system and i want to run an SA-MP server on it. I Use putty to connect to my server.
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14:04<xerophyte>if i have partion with ntfs , how can i make ti ext3?
14:04<xerophyte>i tried mke2fs -j /dev/hda3 that didn't work ?
14:04<Convirion>if i start my samp server: ./samp02svr then it will shut down after an hour or something like that
14:04<Convirion>already tried nohup ./samp02svr
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14:05<Convirion>A friend of my said something about SCREEN, does somebody knows anything about it?
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14:06<fxiny>xerophyte: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdxxx
14:07<peter_>Convirion, meaby try man screen under console
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14:08<fxiny>Convirion: 2.6.8 ? still running sarge ?
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14:09<xerophyte>fxiny, mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) /dev/sda3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superbloc
14:09<Convirion>fxiny i dont know much about it
14:09<Convirion>only when i enter ssh
14:09<Convirion>i see that
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14:10<jungla>Hi, how can I make cupsd starting on startup?
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14:14<Convirion>peter_ your right, thats a big help file
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14:15<kinus>how to enable sound in kde for example?
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14:16<_tuzhila>kcontrol - sound properties
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14:17<kinus>damn.. so something must be broken in my system
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14:18<kinus>it's not muted
14:18<fxiny>kinus: something broken ? i wonder what is *not* broken :)
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14:19<kinus>fxiny: :P but listen.. modules are loaded, in kmix all is set on max
14:19<kinus>and i don't hear anything:)
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14:20<kinus>oo... it works now :D
14:20<fxiny>kinus: i don't use kde , check if is using alsa , did you ran alsaconf ?
14:20<kinus>yea ye :D
14:20<kinus>im real 1337
14:20<kinus>so.. i need to enable wifi.. and that all!: )
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14:28<jase1982>hi all, can anyone help with a apache2 question?
14:28<deb_usr>rumcajs666 : what is the most used distribution of linux used in your country ??
14:28<deb_usr>rumcajs666 : what is your question ??
14:29<chealer>jase1982: if it's a general Apache question, you may want to ask #apache instead. otherwise, just ask.
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14:30<jase1982>~ chealer ~ I can restart the service useing apache2 -k restart anymore. Its errors with command not found
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14:38<reesehazel>Question about trolling for free WiFi:
14:38<reesehazel>I like going to coffee shops and bookstores that offer free WiFi.
14:38<reesehazel>We have a lot of that here in Houston.
14:38<reesehazel>When I hop onto a WiFi signal that's not encrypted
14:38<reesehazel>and it says, "Connection Established"...
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14:39<davidh>I tried to enable my ipw2200 wireless connection on my T42 laptop
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14:39<davidh>iwconfig can not recoginize the interface eth1
14:40<davidh>anyone can help?
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14:43<davidh>anyone can help with iwconfig
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14:48<davidh>hello so quiet
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15:14<fernando>desinstalei o adobe reader mais o plugin continua no firefox.. como removo ele de lah?
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15:15<davidh>when I tried to download a file from internet, it pops up with a window, but I am not able to save the file. Why?
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15:15<DTE>hi all
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15:59<Reaper_NZ>Alsa has been installed, buit no sound..... aplay -l comes up with 2 listings but same card.... 1 is DAC2/ADC, 2nd is DAC1....
16:00<Reaper_NZ>How can I check that it is there, and working via CLI, and then from X.... done test sound in KDE Control and no sound....
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16:13<Reaper_NZ>woohoo... Finally I have sound... ;P
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16:15<peter_>Reaper_NZ, gratz
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16:17<Reaper_NZ>It was a combination of no config for alsa, and the wrong plug in the wrong hole, (But I have been switching them...)
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16:19<wesolek>hello! can anybody help me out installing gentoo linux from the live cd?
16:20<pinecone>pinecone here! I'd like to repartion my /usr and give it some of my /home space. Can anyone suggest the best tool for this?
16:20<panthera>wesolek: debian is not gentoo, try #gentoo.
16:20<pinecone>I'm using kde on debian
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16:20<wesolek>oops, thanks panthera, I thought gentoo was based on debian... my bad :)
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16:22<EricB>you want ubuntu
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16:26<Reaper_NZ>Does anyone know how I can get 1000s of links from internet explorer, say through a "cat" cmd, and get them grepped to be a huge text file full of them, with descriptions???
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16:27<petemc>Reaper_NZ: where would the descriptions come from?
16:28<Reaper_NZ>well, they're generally the file name, but eventually I am hopeing to have a webpage full of links.... I could just import them into friefox, then just get the bookmarks.html file and rip it to shreds....
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16:28<Reaper_NZ>friefox.... hehe.... firefox... I still got a windows box or 2...
16:29<shinnok>anybody know how can i fed gpg a password from a file (for the symetric encryption method)
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16:37<Ir8>has anyone here used the preseed.cfg files before.
16:37<Ir8>I have a few questions to ask..
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16:38<saleh>i need help for installing allegro lisp. anyone can help me?
16:38<Reaper_NZ>Hmmmm, xawtv.... How do I get it to actually scantv??? It's saying that there's no such file or directory on /dev/vbi, and there's no vbi and no video0....
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16:42<Reaper_NZ>how can I find the /dev/etc of this TV tuner??
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16:44<peter_>My debian from time to time stops playing sound from, what can it be ?
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16:45<chealer>peter_: whatever way you access
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16:46<peter_>chealer, iceweasel ofcours
16:46<peter_>but I will try from other
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16:46<chealer>peter_: I don't see why that would have been obvious.
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16:48<peter_>chealer, dosent matter realy, for me its obvious, you can use opera :)
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16:49<chealer>peter_: Debian has more browsers than Iceweasel and Opera.
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16:49<chealer> doesn't have Opera.
16:49<peter_>chealer, yes? well, I can see here, Epiphany yes? and other?
16:50<chealer>peter_: yes. Galeon, links, w3m, Iceape, Konqueror, dillo, etc.
16:50<peter_>chealer, these are graphic?
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16:51<chealer>peter_: Galeon, Iceape, Konqueror and dillo are.
16:51<Ir8>in the preseed.cfg d-i preseed/run string in-target the correct to run a script on the server?
16:51<Ir8>for the post install scripts
16:51<peter_>damn, Epiphany also, dont play sound from youtube
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16:53<peter_>chealer, can it be connected with XMMS? Im also using it right now,
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16:55<chealer>peter_: when did you install Debian?
16:55<peter_>hm... chealer you are asking about first installed debian?
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16:56<Reaper_NZ>I think something is up with youtubes Flash video.... cos this is a common fault stated by heaps of people, linux and windows.... I choose to use flv player?? and download them from that download youtube site... takes ages, but atleast I have the file to pass on...
16:56<Reaper_NZ>I still have that video of those dudes with the scooter on the merrygoround with the girls flying... ;P
16:56<chealer>peter_: when did you do your current install of Debian on the computer which has the problem?
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16:57<peter_>chealer, two days ago
16:57<chealer>peter_: actually, I'm not sure anyway. it should be easy to eliminate that possibility.
16:58<Reaper_NZ>is there an flv player for linux???
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16:59<Reaper_NZ>short of running your own server and hosting flv...
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17:02<peter_>chealer, it is connected with using only one alsa sound steam
17:03<peter_>guys from #debian on told me so. It means, that if I am using one app that use alsa, I cant use another one
17:03<chealer>Reaper_NZ: yes
17:04<Icewind>how do I run kde?
17:04<Icewind>in debian
17:04<chealer>peter_: that's dubious. current ALSA should be able to mix several streams by default.
17:04<chealer>Icewind: is it installed?
17:04<peter_>chealer, well, not exactly, I havent set up dmix
17:05<Icewind>chealer, it does not comes with debian?
17:05<chealer>peter_: dmix should be enable by default.
17:05<Icewind>I need to download it?
17:05<chealer>Icewind: Since Debian 4.0, it's not installed by default.
17:05<Icewind>chealer, ok
17:05<peter_>chealer, are you sure? ;)
17:06<Icewind>it's happening problems with my network
17:06<chealer>Icewind: you need to download it, unless you installed from the KDE CD or from DVD 1.
17:06<Icewind>and I suppose that it's because of gnome
17:06<chealer>Icewind: BTW, it *would* be installed by default, if you had installed from the KDE CD.
17:07<chealer>peter_: 99%. you can try it by yourself.
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17:07<peter_>chealer, how? how to set up dmix?
17:07<Icewind>chealer, it's the "netinst" or something likely version
17:08<chealer>peter_: running two "aplay"-s simultaneously, for example.
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17:08<Icewind>+/- 180mb + downloads through installation
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17:08<chealer>Icewind: that won't have KDE, so you'll have to download it.
17:08<peter_>chealer, I have run youtube and XMMS, and It dont work
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17:08<Icewind>chealer, ok
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17:09<chealer>peter_: yes, but I'm not sure that these two use ALSA.
17:09<peter_>chealer, yes :) when I shut down XMMS, youtube work
17:10<chealer>peter_: then at least one of iceweasel and xmms must not be using ALSA
17:11<peter_>chealer, I dont understand. If XMMS makes iceweasel dont work, it means these two use alsa
17:11<lupine>XMMS pwns the sound system
17:12<lupine>Has an esd plugin, though, if you're running that
17:13[~]lupine has uncommonly good luck in that his card can take multiple input streams directly
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17:20<larso>do the netinst CDs for "testing" that you download use GRUB or GRUB2?
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17:24<chealer>larso: usually grub 0
17:25<chealer>peter_: no. if they would both use ALSA, ALSA should simply mix.
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17:26<peter_>chealer, hm... so I dont understand why these two apps make eachother problems
17:26<larso>thanks chealer... so is there a way to "hotfix" the .iso to put on grub2? the existing grub just ain't a-workin
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17:27<pierre>twice this week-end, I end up with an unbootable system
17:27<pierre>this time I upgraded the kernel, but I didn't see that LILO had not been reinstalled properly, I suppose
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17:28<pierre>now I've booted on the install CD, but when I chroot to my install and try to do lilo, I have the following error:
17:29<pierre>Fatal: Linux experimental device 0x04x needs to be defined.
17:29<pierre>before, I get a warning for each of my LVM LV:
17:29<pierre>Warning: /proc/partitions references Experimental major device 254.
17:29<pierre>what can I do to setup LILO?
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17:31<pierre>BTW, LILO also says: Check 'man lilo.conf' under 'disk=' and 'max-partitions='
17:31<Icewind>how do I change the time
17:31<Icewind>to logout automatically
17:31<Icewind>to infinite?
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17:32<Icewind>or desativate.......
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17:33<pierre>Icewind: why would there be any link between time and auto logout?
17:34<noflash>and wtf is desativate ?
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17:40<df1amb>Hi I'm trying to suspend my laptop but until now it only worked in one case. I run powersave -U from console, beeing root, without a running x-server and with Kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 with the new 2.6.21-2-k7 a bug makes it impossible to suspend the computer.
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17:49<doozle>Hi. I can't figure out where a particular module is being loaded during the booot sequence. After boot, to get wireless working, I have to reload the already present wireless module. Checked /etc/modules. Checked what udev was loading during the initial ram fs boot phase. Can't find it there either. I can simply script the reloading of the module after boot, but that feels kludgy to me. I'd rather figure out why wireless won't work until I unload and load
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17:49<doozle>can anyone suggest some other clues?
17:49<Icewind>pierre, forget it...
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17:57<sh>Hi, it's me again...
17:57<Ir8>1~2~1~3~d-i preseed/late_command string cd /target && wget && chmod +x autoinstall-deb && chroot /target ./autoinstall-deb
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17:57<Ir8>is that the correct way to that string?
17:58<Ir8>or do i need to remove the string from that line?
17:58<gar>ah dist-upgrade ><
17:58<sh>I am trying to make my ThinkPad speakers work . bplay hot.wav says "Playing..." but I cannot hear anything.
17:58<gar>there is a new upgrade of the dpkg
17:58<Ir8>sh alsa-config
17:58<Ir8>see if you have that installed.
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17:59<Ir8>or aslamixer
17:59<Ir8>one or the other make those setting are all the way up
17:59<Ir8>and everything should work pending if the configs are correct.
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18:00<sh>Ir8: Thanks for your help! There is no alsaconfig on my system (apt-file returns the empty result). But alsamixer has not been installed yet.
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18:02<sh>Ir8: I forgot to mention the the audible bell does work.
18:03<sh>Ir8: OK, I did install alsa-utils and thus alsamixer is available now. What's the next step?
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18:14<Ir8>i think is the next command.. been a while ;)
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18:30<chealer>peter_: first, try to determine which app doesn't use ALSA.
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18:59<ghostbar>hey, someone with a HP dv6000t? or similar?? The bright keys don't work... :/
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19:03<njubi___>can anybody tell me how to install a tar.gz @ debian etch?
19:04<njubi___>I have no idea about the packaging with deb
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19:05<ghostbar>njubi___, a tar.gz as a normal tarball
19:06<ghostbar>you don't need to package it as deb to install it
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19:06<ghostbar>just install it with configure; make; make install
19:06<njubi___>tarball? What is that? I've heard that I should package eveything so its easier to remove
19:07<ghostbar>njubi___, yeah right... but it's not needed
19:07<ghostbar>a tarball is a tar.gz, tar.bz2, zip, anything compressed
19:07<njubi___>OK. How long does it take to make a package?
19:08<ghostbar>njubi___, it's a lot much difficult learn to make a package that install it according to README instructions
19:08<ghostbar>njubi___, it depends on how fast you learn
19:08<ghostbar>and how difficult/easy it's the package you're trying...
19:09<njubi___>ok, can you tell me your way with the configure, make make-install? What do I hae to do? I got a .tar.gz on my desktop
19:09<njubi___>would be great...
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19:11<ghostbar>njubi___, do tar -zxf name.tar.gz, then read the instructions, it normally says what you should do to get it installed
19:11<ghostbar>and normally it's only `./configure && make && make install' but it could be different
19:12<njubi___>tar help or tar usage?
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19:14<MNuTz>hi all, ive been given an old P4 Compaq desktop PC that i want to use as a basic webserver and was told Debian would be ideal for it. It wouldnt read the CD properly so i installed it onto the HDD via another PC and put the HDD back into the compaq system. It just keeps asking me for a PCMCIA special resource code?? im also totally new to linux :/
19:14<ghostbar>njubi___, uh? that should work! just change `name.tar.gz' to the path of you tar.gz
19:15<MNuTz>I cant setup the network card and it doesnt read the CD very well
19:15<ghostbar>MNuTz, I think you should first learn how to use linux and then try to install a server... It would be easier for you and less waste of time
19:16<njubi___>I did, it just tells me: One of the options "-Acdtrux" is necessaryl. "tar --help" or "tar --usage" gives further information
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19:17<njubi___>there are so many commands, I got no idea what to do...
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19:17<ghostbar>tar -zxf
19:17<ghostbar>put them in that order
19:18<ghostbar>with only a `-'
19:18<ghostbar>not doble
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19:19<miksuh>this works too: tar zxvf
19:20<miksuh>you don't nesessarily need '
19:20<miksuh>you don't nesessarily need '-'
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19:22<njubi___>so what is the whole command? tar zxvf myfile.tar.gz? tar -zxf myfile.tar.gz?
19:23<miksuh>both look ok
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19:24<njubi___>after that I will have to do the updatedb i guess?
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19:25<MNuTz>Ghostbar, how would you suggest i learn linux then? Personnally i like to jump in with both feet and get stuck in which is what im doing. My problem seems to have nothing to do with using linux but more to do with installing it onto a compaq desktop pc.
19:26<njubi___>THX a lot guys, worked
19:26<miksuh>njubi: z=gunzip, x=extract, v=verbose, f=file
19:26<njubi___>C U soon THX and N8
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19:54<zaq>news read 1
19:54<zaq>'news read 1'
19:55<tupa>What drivers do I have to use for my integrated VIA Unichrome Pro 3D/2D video card?
19:56<tupa>I already tried with VIA driver from xserver-xorg-video-via but when I try to run X it says it cannot find any device, or that X is not configured properly
19:56<tupa>I can use VESA ones though, that's what I'm using, I want to put the 3D on
19:57<gsimmons>tupa: It depends on your particular card. If not supported by the UniChrome driver in 'xserver-xorg-video-via', you'd want to try the OpenChrome driver.
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19:59<gsimmons>tupa: I'm sorry, I have that confused. 'xserver-xorg-video-via' uses OpenChrome upstream, you'd want to use UniChrome <>, specifically the current revision from the Git repository.
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20:00<tupa>Ok, I'm checking that
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20:03<gsimmons>tupa: I'm aware that the 0.2.6 release of UniChrome fails to build on Etch, which is why you'll need the current Git revision. Best to check the 'Supported Hardware' section just to make sure this isn't a waste of your time (anything newer than VT3108 isn't currently supported).
20:04<tupa>gsimmons, indeed it is supported, I checked my mobo model and it was in the unichrome website
20:04<df1amb>Hi I am trying to suspend my system with hibernate and uswsusp but uswsusp tells me I have no swap space. but I deffinitly have about 1GB swap space. Google is useless in this case. anyone any idea how to fix it ???
20:04<tupa>*it is :)
20:06<gsimmons>tupa: Good thing. Be sure to remove the 'xserver-xorg-video-via' package beforehand, as this is bound to conflict.
20:06<tupa>okey dokey, removing it right now
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20:08<gsimmons>tupa: You'd also want to compile the driver with './ --prefix=/usr' to ensure the necessary driver placement within
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20:15<df1amb>anyone here to help me with that hibernat problem ?
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20:16<stoned>i don't think anyone is here specifically just to help you. if you have a question df1amb just ask it. :)
20:17<df1amb>Hi I am trying to suspend my system with hibernate and uswsusp but uswsusp tells me I have no swap space. but I deffinitly have about 1GB swap space. Google is useless in this case. anyone any idea how to fix it ???
20:17<stoned>df1amb: is your swapspace on?
20:17<stoned>hmm no clue man
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20:22<HackSign>hi romm i want to know how can i download the x lib
20:23<df1amb>stoned: it is a great problem for me because using powersave does not work also. with kernel 2.6.18 it works without xserver but using 2.6.21 a bug appers ...
20:24<df1amb>a kernel bug
20:24<HackSign>will somebody answer my question ?? i want to know how can i download the X libraries in the command line
20:25<df1amb>HackSign: aptitude install xorg
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20:26<df1amb>HackSign: or use mc and go to and do it manually
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20:27<HackSign>can i get it with "apt-get install" command ?
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20:28<df1amb>HackSign: why not but I use aptitude but apt-get should do it also
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20:28<gar>HackSign: do you have any x already like kde gnome? or you planing to?
20:29<HackSign>i have kde &gnome&aftersetp
20:29<gar>apt-cache search xorg
20:30<gar>that will search in the rep xorg
20:30<gar>and look for the one that have all the library and them do apt-get install package-name
20:30<HackSign>it returns a lot of reasult~
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20:30<gar>them try apt-get install xorg
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20:31<df1amb>this is what i sad 5 minutes ago
20:31<HackSign>xorg is the latest ver on my computer~
20:31<gar>so you have it already
20:32<gar>wonder because you have gnome and kde
20:32<HackSign>yes i have
20:32<gar>df1amb: but he asked if he can doit with apt-get :D u reply im with aptitute
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20:33<gar>HackSign: so what you want to do now? that you have it
20:33<HackSign>er, u know i'm new user of linux
20:33<gar>so do i
20:33<gar>i still need to learn alot of stuff
20:33<velixzeen>used to be able to apt-get install x-window-system with sarge
20:33<HackSign>i downloaded a theme
20:34<gar>that theme is for gnome or kde?
20:34<HackSign>when i configure it ,the return is "u need the X lib
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20:34<HackSign>kde i think
20:34<gar>them wish x library he is talking about
20:34<gar>there is alot of library for x
20:35<HackSign>i know i'm tired of searching by click my mouse *.*
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20:36<gar>HackSign: give me the link of the thee
20:36<gar>theme* i will test it '
20:36<HackSign>ha ~ wait a moment
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20:42<HackSign>is that ok ?
20:44<kop>What is the right way to use debian-volatile? Is it enough to add the archive to sources.list or should I use an apt_preferences(5) line for each package like "Pin release a=etch/volatile" and another wildcard to keep "regular" packages using plain etch?
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20:46<gar>HackSign: did you look at this - Debian: apt-get install kwin-style-crystal
20:47<HackSign>i think ~ no
20:47<gar>lol a pre configure package for debian for that theme
20:47<gar>i just installed and working wonderfull
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20:47<kop>velixzeen : With etch you do "aptitude install xorg". (Aptitude will automatically un-install unused dependences and so keep your system nice and tidy.)
20:48<HackSign>how do u know u should install that pkg ?>
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20:48<gar>the website u gave me say it
20:48<gar>if you scroll down
20:48<gar>and not try to install from source :D
20:49<HackSign>u know my English is rather bad
20:49<kop>gar: Yes, always better to use a package manager. It keeps your system organized and easily upgraded.
20:50<HackSign>i often dont notice the note~
20:50<kop>gar: Otherwise you're doing the system integration yourself -- just like on MS Windows which gets bitrot in about 3 years and needs a disk wipe and re-install.
20:51<DeepDayze>i rebuild my windoze installs every 2 years
20:52<DeepDayze>if you install from source..checkinstall is your friend :)
20:52<DeepDayze>checkinstall creates a deb for you
20:53<DeepDayze>which you can easily remove once an official package of the app becomes available. I do create checkinstalls for specially built packages for some oddball stuff
20:53<gar>kop: i use win machine :D but like nix more..
20:54<DeepDayze>if I must use Win I use Win2k...less crap than Winxp
20:54<gar>DeepDayze: you are absolupte rigt
20:54<gar>win2k best windows release ever
20:54<HackSign>i usually debug a software in win2k
20:54<kop>DeepDayze : I need to remember checkinstall.
20:54<DeepDayze>and Win2K has less crap than Win9x
20:55<DeepDayze>checkinstall should be in the repos
20:55<gar>i think win2k is the most stable version of window they release
20:55<DeepDayze>i agree, gar
20:55<velixzeen>kop: thanks for that info
20:55<DeepDayze>win9x was rather buggy
20:55<kop>gar: I prefer DOS 5.0. After that I got annoyed with MS.
20:55<DeepDayze>and xp is just bloated crap
20:55<DeepDayze>Vista...forget it
20:55<gar>remember winme a cheap mask of win9x
20:56<DeepDayze>winme is total crap
20:56<HackSign>Vista emmmmmmmmmmmm
20:56<DeepDayze>the worst OS MS ever put out
20:56<gar>well vista is like ms telling go ahead and learn a new OS
20:56<kop>DeepDayze : I just need to remember to _use_ checkinstall. (Although honestly I've only one package I'm installing from source.)
20:56<DeepDayze>vista is like WinME 2nd edition
20:56<HackSign>i think i cant installed it on my computer
20:56<kop>DeepDayze : I should go use it now while I remember.
20:57<gar>DeepDayze: i personaly try vista and everything is so confuse and is like you need to learn again another ms os complete from scrash
20:57<DeepDayze>here's how you use it: first do your ./configure and make
20:57<kop>gar: Every MS Windows release is like learning a new OS. All the little gotcha's are different, and you need to remember various archane work-arounds.
20:57<DeepDayze>then rather than doing make install you do checkinstall
20:57<DeepDayze>the checkinstall will ask you questions
20:58<DeepDayze>make sure you tell checkinstall you want to create a deb
20:58<gar>kop: did u saw that new Performace eater Dream Scence
20:58<kop>gar: This is why text based config files are good. You can also leave yourself notes so you remember _why_ you did something.
20:58<gar>they try to copy mac with fade in picture background...
20:58<DeepDayze>and it will ask a few questions more...then it goes to build the deb of the newly built program
20:58<kop>gar: Haven't seen vista yet.
20:58<DeepDayze>i did...and it sucked
20:58<gar>they have a new system call dream Scene
20:58<kop>DeepDayze : Jammin. I'll try it now.
20:58<DeepDayze>dogass slow on a core2
20:59<gar>that allow you to loop videos on the desktop
20:59<gar>is like a moving Wallpapers but downside is it will eat all ur computer resources
20:59<DeepDayze>vista on a laptop is a worse joke
21:00<gar>im using vista ultime 64bit now on one of my machine with 2g memory and that thign still put the PC slow...
21:00<DeepDayze>yep, gar
21:00<DeepDayze>vista is garbage
21:01<gar>plus that windows Aero crap
21:01<kop>Humm. The debian-volatile key is not in the debian-archive-keyring package.... I guess I need to use gpg manually.
21:01<DeepDayze>i think the first service pack is coming out in November
21:01<gar>im rolling back soon to 2k
21:01<DeepDayze>i put debian lenny on my laptop
21:01<kop>People want bling.
21:01<DeepDayze>i own an IBM T23
21:01<gar>DeepDayze: i have debian lenny on this IMAC 1999 edition
21:01<DeepDayze>i rebuilt it as I bought it damaged
21:01<gar>and run smooth
21:02<DeepDayze>now the old lappy sings a happy linux dance
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21:02<DeepDayze>new screen, hd and nic
21:02<DeepDayze>keyboard's next
21:02<gar>but only thing is i cant run dvix or video with this machine
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21:03<gar>it lag the whole computer but other then that run ok
21:03<DeepDayze>i can't run beryl/compiz on the thinky
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21:03<DeepDayze>my desktop's an AMD 64 X2
21:03<lolo>alguien de españa
21:03<gar>hola lolo
21:03<gar>lolo #debian-es
21:03<lolo>ha ok
21:03<seanp2k>this is my last ditch attempt to save my apt-get before I reinstall
21:03<gar>de nada
21:03<lolo>que tal
21:03<DeepDayze>that channel's good for you, lolo
21:04<seanp2k>I think my package list is corrupt
21:04<DeepDayze>how's that?
21:04<lolo>find thnx
21:04<seanp2k>this is what I get when I run apt-get update or try to install anything
21:04<seanp2k>Reading package lists... Error!
21:04<seanp2k>E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)
21:05<seanp2k>I'm running ubuntu but so far no one was able to figure it out in the ubuntu support
21:05<gar>how come?
21:05<seanp2k>here is a link to the post
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21:06<lolo>tengo q reiniciar el irc ahora vengo
21:06<seanp2k>i have searched and searched and tried anything i have found
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21:06<gar>seanp2k: did you try freenode channel ubuntu?
21:06<seanp2k>if anyone has any suggestions on how I could rebuild my packages list (i'm not sure if it's possible)
21:06<kop>Adding the debian-volatile key was really easy. All I needed to do was a wget to get the key and then "apt-key add etch-volatile.asc".
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21:07<gar>kop: pretty easy :D
21:07<lolo>ya estoy aki
21:07<gar>seanp2k: i think ubuntu have a package manager call synaptic something like it that if you search in there it will allow you to reinstall apt...
21:07<kop>gar: It did involve reading the instructions. There's always "problem between keyboard and chair".
21:07<DeepDayze>ubuntu's not too hot a distro
21:07<lolo>a ver si puedo ayudar en algo y contribuir
21:07<DeepDayze>plain debian sid for me
21:08<DeepDayze>i do also use lenny
21:08<gar>lolo: si quieres ayudar ve al canal hispano de debian
21:08<DeepDayze>Ubuntu Gutsy is so crap
21:08<kop>DeepDayze : I stick with debian stable. I spend enough time I want the system to always work, even if it's old I'll catch up with the new stuff eventually.
21:08<gar>i upgrade from etch to lenny the other day
21:08<lolo>al hispano? no es este?
21:09<freight>Ubuntu == Smiling Happy People Debian==Moorlocks On the whole, I'd rather be a Moorlock.
21:09<gar>lolo: si hablas ingles bien aqui puedes pero si no chekeate el canal hispano #debian-es
21:09<kop>!tell lolo -about es
21:09<freight>Eloi, that's it.
21:09<seanp2k>in synaptic it relies on apt so I get the same error and it won't start
21:10<seanp2k>is there a way to manually remove aptitude and reinstall it from source or something?
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21:11<gar>i dont know but i had a problem similiar what i did was install yum and use yum to reinstall apt :D and them remove yum
21:11<freight>seanp2k: apt-get install --reinstall apt?
21:12<gar>freight: his apt is broken
21:12<seanp2k>i could build yum from source
21:13<seanp2k>i know ubuntu is crap, i installed it on a whim one day and ended up using it instead of windows a lot
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21:13<seanp2k>my home fileserver is a freebsd box
21:13<freight>sean: did you try installing hte package from /var/cache/apt/archives with dpkg?
21:13<kop>seanp2k : But it might not be the program, it might be the database that's borked. (I wasn't paying attention when you gave the error message.)
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21:14<DeepDayze>ubuntu != debian IMHO
21:14<seanp2k>kop: the program seems intact, yes, the package list is broken
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21:14<DeepDayze>how can you rebuild a borked package database?
21:14<sayers>DeepDayze Ubuntu is great for starting out but the thing is Ubuntu doesn't give you many choices
21:14<gar>i dont really like the way ubuntu manager
21:15<DeepDayze>sayers: true...and I am sure Ubuntu users will move to a real debian
21:15<gar>with ubuntu you dont have all the control you have with debian :D and thats a fact
21:15<DeepDayze>i seen some ubuntu people go to fedora
21:15<sayers>DeepDayze I started with Debian on my old motherboard which didnt have acpi then to ubuntu now on my new motherboard with 64 AMD I use Debian
21:16<seanp2k>i was thinking of fedora if i had to do a total reinstall
21:16<DeepDayze>fedora 7's pretty cool I heard
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21:16<sayers>never used Fedora. Whats it all about?
21:16<gar>fedora is allright
21:16<seanp2k>i'm not into eyecandy though
21:16<seanp2k>it has XGL now
21:16<DeepDayze>i dabbled in fedora for about 2 years
21:16<gar>i used it like for 1 day LOL
21:16<DeepDayze>before I was a slackware man
21:16<DeepDayze>been using debian for 2 years now
21:16<sayers>What's so good about Fedora though?
21:16<seanp2k>slackware would be great for a server
21:16<sayers>If people are merging to it
21:17<kop>I used to use a lot of RedHat but switched to debian because I didn't want to have to upgrade the box so often. Centos is good, but I like all the packages that come with Debian.
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21:17<seanp2k>what's so great about openSUSE?
21:17<DeepDayze>slack was my distro for 14 years
21:17<freight>Deep: That's my next step.. saving it for the dead of winter when I can go out and bury my head in a snowdrift when it overheats.
21:17<DeepDayze>oops 10 years
21:17<velixzeen>fedora: less stable, poorer package selection, harder to upgrade . . .
21:17<DeepDayze>velixzeen: you are right
21:17<DeepDayze>RPM hell sucks
21:17<sayers>Hehe yes
21:17<freight>sean: nothing.. avoid Suse like the plague if you have any ties to the morality of the Open Source movement.
21:17<DeepDayze>i tried fedora as it was cutting edge
21:18<seanp2k>suse is teamed with microsoft via novell right?
21:18<DeepDayze>suse I tried as well...utter pants
21:18<sayers>I love Debian's stablity on AMD64 and I'm trying to lower my visual needs using Flux which is great.
21:18<freight>Rather, more appropriately put, the Free Software movement.
21:18<DeepDayze>mandrake's good
21:18<DeepDayze>pclinuxos 2007 was nice
21:18<seanp2k>is mandrake still around?
21:18<freight>sean: Yes.
21:18<sayers>Only thing that isn't so great about debian is how much they hate Prop. Drivers
21:18<DeepDayze>there is a lot of choice in linux
21:18<sayers>Installing Nvidia is a task I haven't taken on yet
21:19<DeepDayze>yup, sayers
21:19<freight>sayers: that's the whole point, actually.. Free Software.
21:19<DeepDayze>that's the sore point oif debian
21:19<DeepDayze>look at firefox
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21:19<DeepDayze>its called iceweasel in debian
21:19<freight>!beer DeepDayze
21:19[~]dpkg pours a quart of Bornem Tripple for DeepDayze
21:19<sayers>freight but I need my Nvidia driver
21:19<DeepDayze>lol dpkg
21:19<DeepDayze>cheers freight
21:20<freight>Salut. :)
21:20<DeepDayze>i want to dump windows once and for all
21:20<sayers>DeepDayze Why haven't you :p
21:20<DeepDayze>that's why I am looking to stick with linux
21:20<seanp2k>i'm about to that point
21:20<freight>sayers: dunno what to say, do you want ease or freedom? choose one.
21:20<DeepDayze>i am planning to wipe windoze from my amd64 box entirely
21:20<sayers>freight Debian is very easy if you know how to use it.
21:21<DeepDayze>the only windoze will be on my laptop
21:21<DeepDayze>as I need it for work
21:21<seanp2k>dialing a connection on a CDMA phone is not a point-and-click affair in linux
21:21<freight>sayers: so is quantum calculus, but that learning curve can be a b1tch.
21:21<DeepDayze>i have a moto razr
21:21<DeepDayze>and want to use it as a modem
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21:21<sayers>freight you know what I mean :p
21:21<freight>sayers: Just being a hard case.. <grin>
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21:22<seanp2k>plus this computer doubles as a mobile recording studio
21:22[~]DeepDayze loves his RAZR V3
21:22<sayers>any way Installing the Nvidia driver just takes 20 minuytes
21:22<seanp2k>and to get my firewire PCMCIA card + firewire interface + ASIO drivers to work is no fun
21:22<DeepDayze>linux and cellphones are a pain in linux
21:22<freight>dunno, never tried, just used ATI.
21:22<DeepDayze>ATI driver support sucks
21:22<DeepDayze>nvidia is much better IMO
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21:23<sayers>DeepDayze it is
21:23<DeepDayze>intel's just getting into the game
21:23<seanp2k>i wish my laptop didn't have a X200M chipset
21:23<DeepDayze>and I am sure intel will soon have some wicked chips
21:23<velixzeen>seanp2k: me too!
21:23<DeepDayze>that will put ati and nvidia to shame
21:23<seanp2k>but the graphics will still suck.
21:23<seanp2k>that won't happen
21:23<sayers>Intell was nice but Sony was evil and didn't put ACPI on my old Mother Board
21:23<DeepDayze>it will take time
21:23<freight>Whom did AMD just buy? ATI?
21:24<DeepDayze>AMD owns ATI
21:24<seanp2k>nvidia and ATI are graphics card companies
21:24<seanp2k>intel is a processor / chipset company
21:24<DeepDayze>AMD is slow getting ATI drivers opened up
21:24<seanp2k>they have no real gaming chipset
21:24<seanp2k>for graphics
21:24<DeepDayze>think that will change, seanp2k
21:24<DeepDayze>intel's working on new graphics GPU's
21:24<DeepDayze>and some will be in cards
21:24<seanp2k>i mean voodoo was badass
21:25<seanp2k>back in the day
21:25<freight>I don't game, but Deep is correct, AMD is out to eat Intelvidia's lunch.
21:25<seanp2k>so they have a chance
21:25[~]DeepDayze still owns a 3dfx Voodoo Banshee
21:25<seanp2k>yeah, mine broke
21:25<DeepDayze>my old banshee still works
21:25<seanp2k>i had a purple box one
21:25<DeepDayze>i kept it as a spare card
21:25<seanp2k>i broke mine by playing too much quake3
21:25<DeepDayze>slow though
21:25<freight>Hah, I still have my Diamond Viper PCI. Not using it, but I kept it for the sake of 'old times'. <grin>
21:25<DeepDayze>my banshee's in my spare parts kit
21:26<DeepDayze>there is a driver for it in xorg
21:26<seanp2k>so i got a geforce2mx...then a geforce4 4400ti which now is in a mostly headless server
21:26<DeepDayze>the GF2's are still good
21:26<DeepDayze>a bit old but still very usable card
21:26<DeepDayze>would make a great emergency card
21:26<seanp2k>and in my regular desktop i have a geforce 7800gs (fastest AGP card i could get)
21:26<DeepDayze>in case you lose your shiny 8800 ;-)
21:27<DeepDayze>or 7800
21:27[~]DeepDayze has a 7900O GS OC'ed
21:27<DeepDayze>oops 7900*
21:27<seanp2k>maybe that's what it is
21:27<seanp2k>idk, it was the fastest AGP nvidia card, it's some BFGtech OC'd card
21:27<freight>Grr.. this is pissing me off.. I can connect to my MySQL database from localhost, but cannot access it remotely. My host says there's a hole in the firewall for 3306, and the my.cnf is bound to the correct ip.. Grrr.
21:28<DeepDayze>mine's a PCIe
21:28<DeepDayze>the fastest AGP card is the 7800
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21:28<seanp2k>it's in a pentium4 2.24 oc'd to 2.6
21:28<DeepDayze>think the 7800's were the last cards in AGP format nvidia made
21:28<seanp2k>only thing keeping it fast is raid 0
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21:29<seanp2k>i run windows on it but with blackbox
21:29<seanp2k>explorer is slow
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21:29<DeepDayze>there are no 7900's in AGP AFAIK
21:29<sayers>Alright im back
21:29<seanp2k>and vista is total crap
21:29<DeepDayze>vista IS crap
21:29<DeepDayze>dog slow on a core2 duo
21:29<DeepDayze>makes win3.11 a speed champ
21:29<freight>I've not OC'ed in years.. other than the pure pleasure of achievement, is there a real reason for OCing?
21:30<DeepDayze>MS ought to take XP and revamp it...not make some holey crap called vista
21:30<sayers>DeepDayze it's an Imitation Beryl with M$ slapped on it and very slow
21:30<freight>Deep: LOL.. now there's someone from my era. <grin>
21:30<seanp2k>I noticed a framerate increase
21:30<seanp2k>makes FEAR playable
21:30<DeepDayze>i am sure, sayers
21:30<DeepDayze>games suck on vista
21:30<seanp2k>source2 is faster
21:30<sayers>DeepDayze they only care about money.... duh.
21:30<freight>With some significant doses of E17 to increace the cool factor.
21:30<seanp2k>vista = MS attempt at OSX
21:30<DeepDayze>WGA and DRM suck
21:31<seanp2k>HDCP sucks.
21:31<seanp2k>encrypt my video to my monitor?!?!
21:31<DeepDayze>i had a *legit* XP install become illegal because WGA said so
21:31<DeepDayze>MS won't fix it
21:31<DeepDayze>they just asked me for more $$$
21:31<seanp2k>i don't have a legit xp disc
21:31<DeepDayze>i do
21:32<DeepDayze>and now it won't pass WGA
21:32<DeepDayze>i never gave my key out to anyone
21:32<seanp2k>you have been keygen'd
21:32<DeepDayze>and its only on ONE machine
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21:32<DeepDayze>perhaps my key popped up on a keygen
21:32<seanp2k>happened to my STEAM account for counterstrike
21:32<DeepDayze>that sucks sean
21:33<DeepDayze>losing your key like that
21:33<DeepDayze>especially if you PAID for it
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21:33<DeepDayze>sometimes a keygen will create a key already owned by someone else
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21:33<DeepDayze>and the person using it uses it
21:33<DeepDayze>and not realizing it
21:33<seanp2k>i got it on sale at target for $9 tho
21:34<seanp2k>and it was open...
21:34<DeepDayze>then you are out 9 bucks...not too bad though
21:34<seanp2k>i called valve though and they gave me a new one after getting my serial from the box
21:34<DeepDayze>ah, lucky
21:34<seanp2k>they fixed my account
21:34<DeepDayze>seems someone keygenned it
21:34<seanp2k>because i had some other games
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21:34<seanp2k>does anyone game on debian?
21:34<DeepDayze>nice for valve to fix it
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21:34<DeepDayze>i thought they'd give you crap
21:34<freight>I have this damned windoze box for 2 reasons, Everquest and AutoCAD.
21:34<seanp2k>yeah plus games auto install on a new machine
21:35<DeepDayze>and say tough luck
21:35<seanp2k>they did give me some crap but
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21:35<seanp2k>they ended up fixing it
21:35<DeepDayze>you have proof you bought it
21:35<DeepDayze>i save my receipts for software
21:35<seanp2k>yeah i had a reciept and serial numbers
21:35<DeepDayze>in case someone keygens me
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21:35<DeepDayze>and I have to call support to fix it
21:36<DeepDayze>i save all email keycodes too
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21:36<DeepDayze>some of my keys were in emails
21:36<seanp2k>i bought a few games through steam
21:36<DeepDayze>when I buy them
21:36<seanp2k>generally i only pay for games because I have to
21:36<seanp2k>like call of duty 2 was i think $30
21:36<DeepDayze>i only buy games and stuff that I like
21:36<seanp2k>so not bad for a newer game
21:37<DeepDayze>i'd try them first...even I admit using a keygen just to install a game to try
21:37<seanp2k>usually they won't work online with legit servers nowadays though
21:37<seanp2k>the q3 days of the "777777777777777777" serial are gone
21:37<DeepDayze>if I like it I wipe the install then buy a legit key
21:37<DeepDayze>think that key's blacklisted
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21:37<seanp2k>i discovered it
21:37<DeepDayze>like the FCKGW key for XP
21:37<freight>Has anyone ever managed to get Horde3 running on Debian, or am I the only one insane enough to try it?
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21:37<seanp2k>by accident
21:38<seanp2k>i entered my normal serial from the q3 box
21:38<seanp2k>and said F IT
21:38<limcore>hello, the command apache2-ssl-certificate seem to be not available now, what should I use instead to generate self signed cert for apache2 ssl?
21:38<seanp2k>and mashed down the keyboard and it hit all 7s
21:38<seanp2k>i almost crapped myself
21:38<DeepDayze>nice trick
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21:38<reese>How would I run my network manager through a terminal?
21:38<sayers>How do I kill Xserver?>
21:38<DeepDayze>perhaps a programmer snuk it in, sean :)
21:39<limcore>sayers: /etc/init.d/gdm stop for instance (or kdm)
21:39<DeepDayze>but the q3 servers now block that I bet
21:39<sayers>WDM i believe
21:39<seanp2k>i <3 the q3 physics engine...i used to trickjump a little
21:39<seanp2k>openarena is alright
21:39<limcore>so... hot to use apache2-ssl-certificate ?
21:41<sayers>Hm, I need Libc
21:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, libc is the c runtime library,linux universe knows glibc (gnu libc) as libc,too.see glibc..
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21:41<sayers>What is the name of the Libc package
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21:42<seanp2k>so what windowmanager do you guys all use?
21:42<freight>does anyone know of a bittorrent channel on another server? No, I'm not trying to find out the latest warez, I have a legit question.
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21:42<freight>Enlightnement 17
21:42<freight>Enlightenment rather.
21:42<sayers>freight what would it be?
21:43<seanp2k>i thin gnome is OK, i would rather use terms of productivity i like flux
21:43<seanp2k>anything except KDE
21:43<velixzeen>e17, windowmaker, kde, fluxbox
21:43<freight>Once I'm finished downloading a torrent, and I try to seed, I lose all connections for that client, peers, seeds, the works.. nothign uploads at all. I'm using bittornado, fyi.
21:44<jon787>freight: whats your firewall look like?
21:44<DeepDayze>e17's good..try elive?
21:44<freight>Heh, actually, it's wide open, I don't really use one, I rely on my system security.
21:45<DeepDayze>kde I use the most, sean
21:45<jon787>freight: how about a router?
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21:46<seanp2k>what's so good about e17?
21:47<sayers>freight hmm, :(
21:47<velixzeen>fairly fast and good on the eyes. yes elive is running in virtualbox
21:47<seanp2k>i like pf 8>
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21:48<sayers>Maybe I should make a shell for easier Nvidia installing
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21:48<tupa>gsimmons can you give me the line you gave me?, Xchat has a limit on lines it can keep
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21:49<freight>jon787: actually, I jsut looked at my firewall.. you reminded me I reset it a few months ago, and I had not reopened the ports. With enough eyes, all problems are shallow.
21:49<freight>Thanks man.
21:49<seanp2k>so elive wants me to pay to download it?
21:49<freight>!beer jon787
21:49[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for jon787
21:49<jon787>no thanks, im on the wagon this week
21:49<velixzeen>seanp2k, no there are mirrors.
21:49<jon787>i'll take some mt dew tho
21:50<velixzeen>a little hard to find
21:50<freight>!soda jon787
21:50<freight>Nope, didn't work. <grin>
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21:50<velixzeen>anyway Thana will give to you for free, just send an email to hime
21:50<jon787>try !pop
21:50<dpkg>hmm... pop is (Point Of Presence) This is a local telephone number through which you can access your ISP. The largest national ISPs have POPs all over the country. or a common term used for POPs for telephone companies and large data centers or ask me about pop3 if you wanted to know about email. Piece Of Poo
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21:51<freight>Fun with dpkg. Though I miss apt, she was saucier.
21:51<lava>Hey guys I'm somewhat of a n00b. I just installed debian net install and I wanted kde not gnome, so I apt-got kde
21:51<lava>How Do i get it to autostart or get it to work?
21:52<sayers>Not to bloat your brain but what is the Kernel Source apt for AMD64?
21:52<lava>Is there a session manager i need?
21:52<jon787>is gdm or kdm installed?
21:52<lava>do I need kdm
21:52<jon787>its a graphical login screen
21:53<jon787>so is gdm
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21:53<velixzeen>lava: you need to tell gdm or kdm to start kde not gnome
21:53<jon787>either one works and should let you pick kde or gnome, but kdm is the one that goes with kde
21:53<lava>So just get kdm and I should be straight?
21:53<freight>kdm is 'KDE display manager' iirc, which is the 'autostart' for KDE you're looking for.
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21:54<velixzeen>lava: when you login, do you see a Session menu?
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21:54<lava>Negative, just the terminal prompt for login
21:54<sayers>lava apt-get install xorg kde kdm
21:55<sayers>then do a reboot
21:55<sayers>then you should get what you want :)
21:55<freight>reboot? why?
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21:55<velixzeen>or put a startkde command in your .xinitrc
21:55<sayers>freight to start Xorg. that's the easiest way IMO
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21:55<freight>s-t-a-r-t-x <grin>
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21:56<velixzeen>google for startkde and .xinitrc. You can then see kde come up with startx
21:56<lava>what if i already have kde
21:56<freight>sayers: sorry man, had to.
21:56<lava>is it ok to get xorg afterwards
21:56<kosen>hey, ice weasel does not allow me to set proxy server, not via 'Preference'. how to do it?
21:56<freight>lava: then just the other two will do fine.
21:56<sayers>freight well you've been evil twice, so if you could find me the name the of the AMD64 Kernel Source packagae I would forget all about it :(
21:56<seanp2k>is linuxtracker down?
21:57<freight>but I doubt apt would allow you to get kde without getting xorg as well.
21:57<sayers>it would
21:57<freight>sayers: coming right up.
21:57<velixzeen>lava: freight is correct
21:57<lava>K so xorg and kde?
21:57<lava>then rebo?
21:57<sayers>lava and KDM
21:57<kosen>hey, ice weasel does not allow me to set proxy server, not via 'Preference'. how to do it?
21:57<lava>kdm* sorry
21:57<sayers>that's what I'd do, but then again I'm just computer savvy, these guys/gals are geniousssss
21:58<lava>Alright guys thanks alot I'll be back if anything, love from Chi-town
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21:58<sayers>Lets hope they get it :)
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21:59<kosen>am i online?
21:59<seanp2k>does anyone have a link to elive? I can't find the stable version
21:59<sayers>kosen ofcorse
21:59<kosen>great, thks.
21:59<kosen>sayers, any help for me?
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21:59<sayers>kosen in what sense?
22:00<kosen>sayers, ice weasel does not allow me to set proxy server, not via 'Preference'. how to do it?
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22:00<velixzeen>seanp2k: hang on I will try to find it. I noticed that place I dl'd from no longer had the iso
22:01<velixzeen>There was also a p0rn'd up iso on torrent
22:01<sayers>no clue kosen im still waiting for freight's godly help
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22:01<tupa>gsimmons ??
22:02<freight>sayers: Hrm!!! Can't seem to find them.
22:02<freight>still looking.
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22:02<sayers>freight well their has to be it :S
22:02<sayers>Terminal wont let me search that well
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22:02<freight>ONe would think, yes?
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22:02<sayers>andi need to install the Nvidia driver
22:03<velixzeen>seanp2k: they have a mirror in australia . . . where the heck . . .
22:03<kosen>sayers, its ok, thks anyway.
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22:03<seanp2k>i found a torrent of it on isohunt but idk
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22:04<sayers>I'm downloading all the headers freight but :( , The ONLY thing I liked about ubuntu was driver support.
22:05<sayers>It was to user-friendly in some areas
22:05<seanp2k>sayers: it still has a terminal
22:05<sayers>seanp2k hehe, true, but never supported
22:06<seanp2k>under the hood of the playskool exterior it is debian
22:06<seanp2k>idk if they use a patched kernel
22:07<sayers>it's nice for newbies but not really stable, Debian is super stable, and when I use 64-bit that's all that matters
22:07<seanp2k>if elive pans out i might install that
22:08<sayers>Also ubuntu had a simple updater, still not sure how to update debian :p
22:08<sayers>freight WOOT got it :D
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22:11<sayers>I need to restart so I can use the other kernel... unless there is a super command
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22:12<velixzeen>seanp2k: I got elive Gem from, but it is no longer there :(
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22:15<sayers>It worked :D
22:16<sayers>That wasn't /all/ that bad.
22:16<sayers>How do I load /etc/modules?
22:16<freight>sayers: found it.
22:17<sayers>Hehe, well dont need it now but sure throw it at me
22:17<freight>Ok, so what did you find?
22:17<sayers>I installed all the Headers
22:17<sayers>Which worked.
22:17<sayers>but I need to reload my modules so I can tell my system heat
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22:18<freight>the package 'linux-latest-2.6 are the raw kernel sources.
22:18<sayers>Ah, well I don't really neeed that :)
22:18<velixzeen>seanp2k: Not able to find a dl link for elive, sorry
22:18<sayers>but thanks for the help
22:18<freight>rather 'linux-latest-2.6'
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22:18<Waddledee>What was changed in the latest kernel image release, anyway? The release notes hadn't been, er, released yet.
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22:19<freight>Np, you said kernel sources.. ask and you shall receive.
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22:20<sayers>In Fluxbox how do I save my settings?
22:20<Waddledee>Also: any recommendations for a newsreader? Thunderbird/Icedove doesn't seem to handle the job quite right, and I'm looking for something that can, for instance, do a full-text search of the messages in a newsgroup. I'm not quite old-school enough to want to use *rn, though; I'd like something with a graphical interface.
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22:21<freight>If you don't find Tbird satisfactory, try PAN.
22:22<seanp2k>elive makes me want to host an ISO of the stable on my hosted site
22:22<seanp2k>and spam the URL
22:22<freight>sean: is it that good?
22:22<seanp2k>they want you to pay to dl it
22:22<seanp2k>i have paypal but i'm not paying for free software
22:23<seanp2k>i don't want to donate before i see it
22:23<seanp2k>so you can download a dated development version for free.
22:23<Waddledee>freight: all right, I'll give that a try.
22:23<velixzeen>then send an email to thana
22:23<seanp2k>i have a torrent of it going from tuxdistro
22:23<seanp2k>but it's going to take 5 hours
22:24<velixzeen>or go on the elive channel on
22:24<Waddledee>Any suggestions for antivirus software? My main concern is stuff that might slip past NoScript, 'cause my brother with the Windows box detected a JavaScript virus on his machine, and I'm assuming just running Linux wouldn't protect me from one of those.
22:25<seanp2k>depends on what said javascript virus is trying to do
22:25<velixzeen>I would not use that iso, as i said there was an iso that was corrupted on torrent
22:25<seanp2k>it has an md5
22:25<seanp2k>i'll just check it
22:25<sayers>Waddledee there aren't any I know of , and I wouldn't worry about it, it more than likely would prevent it
22:25<seanp2k>waddledee: i like AVG
22:26<seanp2k>because it's not as bad of bloatware as norton or mcaffee
22:26<brandon>is it possible to completely remove the main panel in gnome?
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22:26<seanp2k>ooh you meant linux antivirus....
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22:26<freight>sean: Not to toot my own horn, but Mine looks that good.. just download the sources form, muddle through finding hte libs ( which is the biggest pain in the arse ) and build the whole package. Get some nice dark themes, a few animated backgrounds and you're good to go.
22:27<freight>err.. mine, not Mine.
22:27<seanp2k>i'd build it but right now my install is broken
22:27<seanp2k>i want it on a livecd
22:27<seanp2k>i need to format this partition
22:28<freight>Well.. that's another matter entirely.
22:28<freight>I really should document the steps I needed to take to get E17 running well on my laptop.. it was a.. challenge.
22:28<seanp2k>what chipset?
22:29<sayers>Hm, any reccomendations for an IRC client that suppors multi-channel or can explain how to switch channels in bitchX?
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22:29<seanp2k>IRSSI is nice
22:29<freight>Umm.. I dunno.. one sec.. it's an Nvidia, but I forget.. one sec.
22:29<seanp2k>supports multiple servers
22:30<freight>One sec.. linux antivirus?????????? WTF is a Linux Antivirus?
22:30<sayers>freight Something windows users think of / make up
22:31<miksuh>probably checks for windows viruses in emails :)
22:31<miksuh>used on mail servers
22:31<sayers>seanp2k but does it have Multiple Channel support that is easy to use
22:31<seanp2k>he said javascript virus but it'd have to be written for linux
22:31<seanp2k>sayers: you hit alt+[chan#]
22:31<seanp2k>or /window [#]
22:32<sayers>Okay seanp2k Ill get it
22:32<sayers>but I dont know why bitchX can't do that...?
22:32<seanp2k>you can customize the crap out of it
22:32<seanp2k>never used bitchx
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22:33<miksuh>freight: eg clamav is an antivirus software for the linux, but it really scans for windows viruses :)
22:33<seanp2k>it scans a windows partition?
22:33<miksuh>eg. emails
22:33<miksuh>it can be used on mail servers
22:34<seanp2k>if you have a server set up properly it should not be able to get a virus
22:34<freight>miksuh: Got it.. whew, my knee kicked in before my brain.
22:34<sayers>I wonder if Xchat would work well in Fluxbox
22:34<freight>Sean: ATI Radeon Mobility 7500
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22:35<seanp2k>freight: are the visual effects laggy?
22:35<miksuh>seanp2k: linux mail server can spread windows viruses to windows users
22:35<freight>Not even slightly unless I'm running some pretty heavy stuff.. the only thing that lags is xscreensaver on some of the more complex savers.
22:36<seanp2k>freight: know offhand if it uses fglrx drivers
22:36<seanp2k>for ati?
22:36<sayers>freight what D.E. Do you use?
22:36<nick>How do I configure make-kpkg to use the -s option to make and if I just run make-kpkg with no options after running make oldconfig where will the dpkg program build the .deb file with kernel and modules?
22:36<sayers>Desktop enviornment, Got lazy one hand typing
22:37<freight>Sayers: pure E.
22:37<sayers>what in the world... /google
22:37<freight>sean: Heh, one sec, I've got it downstairs, but I do believe it's fglrx.
22:38<freight>sayers: Enlightenment 17
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22:38<sayers>freight whats so great about it?
22:39<freight>Feh, I don't know which IP it has, I can't ssh to it.
22:39<freight>sayers: it's lightweight, slick, beautiful and unobtrusive.
22:39<seanp2k>sayers: i'm downloading a torrent of elive which is a live cd with enlightenment and common packages on top of debian
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22:39<seanp2k>the little bar on it reminds me of OSX a lot
22:39<sayers>freight sold me on it. Is it easy to install on Debian?
22:40<velixzeen>the bar is called ibar, very apple-ish
22:40<seanp2k>i would love to have a mac
22:40<seanp2k>but it's not in the budget
22:41<freight>Umm.. somewhat? if you're any kind of decent admin/developer, which I'm not, it's pretty simple, but it took me about 10 hours of investigation to figure it out.
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22:41<freight>FYI, E had the bar well before OSX was out.
22:41<sayers>seanp2k is their a AMD64 version of that? And can you install it?
22:42<seanp2k>no idea but yes you can install it
22:42<freight>IMNSHO, Apple and Vista used a fsckload of E17 ideas and code. the E team uses the BSD license.
22:42<sayers>seanp2k where'd you find it
22:42<seanp2k>i can send you the torrent if you'd like
22:42<sayers>If you can find an AMD64 one yes please
22:43<freight>If you do your homework, the guys at #e are insanely helpful.
22:43<seanp2k>don't think there is a 64bit one
22:43<freight>there's a site that has .debs.. one sec.
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22:43<sayers>AMD64 has so many CONS :(, good thing it is awesome
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22:45<SqueegeeMan>I tried an apt-get upgrade and it failed for too many errors. I'll track downthe problem later. Thing is, I can't now istall any other package because it tries to finish that upgrade that errored out. Is there any way to make apt forget about it and not try to do it when I install other progs?
22:45<nick>How do I configure make-kpkg to use the -s option to make and if I just run make-kpkg with no options after running make oldconfig where will the dpkg program build the .deb file with kernel and modules? I am trying to rebuild and upgrade etch to
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22:47<dli>nick, no need to use "-s" option though
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22:48<nick>where will the resulting deb file go?
22:48<velixzeen>seanp2k: think I found it, elive Gem that is
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22:48<velixzeen>hang on
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22:49<sayers>freight eh, nah :p
22:50<sayers>freight I'll just stay Flux :p untill I choose something else...
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22:50<brandon>is it possible to completely remove the main panel in gnome?
22:51<velixzeen>yep found it
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22:52<dli>nick, the upper folder, like " /usr/src/ , if you are building in /usr/src/linux "
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22:56<freight>YEah, found them.. server: channel: #e
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22:57<velixzeen>seanp2k: in linux/elive directory
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22:58<velixzeen>that is an ftp site
22:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 290] by debhelper
22:59<velixzeen>seanp2k: do you see Gem?
23:00<seanp2k>i see 6.9
23:00<seanp2k>or .6.9
23:00<velixzeen>right, can you see hidden directories?
23:01<seanp2k>im using filezilla
23:01<seanp2k>so idk
23:01<velixzeen>go to linux/elive/.Fewveknyk7O2
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23:01<lava>hey I'm back
23:02<seanp2k>alright awesome
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23:02<lava>=), well I got KDE to work but, It wont go widescreen and I can't get wifi to work
23:02<seanp2k>thanks man
23:02<seanp2k>how'd you find that?
23:03<lava>any idea how to get wifi to work?
23:03<lava>its bound to etc0
23:04<lava>Whenever I try to enable it it turns green for a second and turns off.
23:04<velixzeen>seanp2k: google, got lucky
23:04<seanp2k>thanks man
23:04<seanp2k>lava: what adapter, what chipset, what drivers?
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23:06<lava>Uhm, well I'm XP right now. Do you want the info from devic manager?
23:06<lava>I'm googling the laptop specs right now ...
23:06<networkgamer>im back!
23:06<seanp2k>if it's internal...
23:06<lava>It is.
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23:07<lava>It's an AMD64, does it matter that I'm running i386?
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23:07<lava>Integrated Broadcom BCM94306 802.11g WiFi
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23:07<lava>Thats what I have
23:07<lava>It's a Compaq 3140us laptop
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23:08<freight>also here:
23:08<lava>wireless The wireless works with ndiswrapper and almost works with the built in broadcom driver. Some people are getting it to work with some firmware. I did not spend much time on it. Just enough to see that it was not working and went back to ndiswrapper.
23:08<lava>sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
23:08<lava>I had to blacklist the bcm43xx driver so that the system would allow ndiswrapper to work. Don't forget to install the windows driver with ndiswrapper -i foo.inf
23:08<lava>Thats what I found on google
23:08<lava> that what I need?
23:09<dondelelcaro>the bcm43xx driver works quite well, actually
23:09<seanp2k>never used ndiswrapper..mine are on madwifi
23:10<networkgamer>i could never get that to work
23:10<lava>Ok, gimme a second I'll reboot into debian, and plug a wired connection, brb
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23:10<seanp2k>i dont like the idea of using windows drivers on linux
23:10<networkgamer>i do
23:10<seanp2k>madwifi-ng is a nice driver set
23:11<seanp2k>lets you inject packets, supports monitor mode
23:11<networkgamer>but i could never get it set up,so i stuck with ndiswrapper
23:11<seanp2k>what chipset do you have
23:12<seanp2k>dmesg |grep Atheros
23:12<networkgamer>but it picks it up i lspci
23:12<seanp2k>what's the name of your interface?
23:12<seanp2k>just grep for that
23:13<seanp2k>well do you do any WEP work?
23:13<networkgamer>i cant
23:13<networkgamer>my router wont let me
23:13<networkgamer>but i can when i get my new router on tuesday
23:13<networkgamer>my router is half-defective
23:14<networkgamer>i can only use very basic settings
23:14<networkgamer>actiontec gt701wg
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23:14<seanp2k>i half cooked the firmware in my 54g but eventually i got it reflashed
23:15<seanp2k>i had DD-WRT on it and it crashed 4 times a day
23:15<networkgamer>i wanted that router for my psp
23:15<seanp2k>it was a v5
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23:15[~]gar is away: sleeping
23:15<networkgamer>so i could use xlink kai
23:15<seanp2k>get a GS
23:15<seanp2k>wrt54gs isn't bad
23:15<networkgamer>well right now qwest is sending me a 2wire 2701HG
23:15<networkgamer>4 ethernet ports a hyperg wireless
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23:17<freight>BTW, on the topic of Elive requiring a donation, I've been talking with these guys for years, and they're about as dedicated a bunch of hackers as anyone can ask for. Most of them have day jobs that pay fairly well, but some are essentially jobless so they can work on E. If they are asking for a donation, don't be too hard on them, they've written E17 from the ground up, and thier libs are used all over the place.
23:17<freight>Whoops, did that run past?
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23:18<networkgamer>i love e17
23:18<lava>hey I'm back [again]
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23:18<freight>WB again. :)
23:18<networkgamer>that took longer than it should have...
23:18<lava>haha thanks
23:18<lava>I couldnt get wired to work for a lil bit @_@
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23:20<networkgamer>dont worry about it
23:20<lava>uhm, another thing, I don't quite understand installing tarballs, can you guys help me out later?
23:21<networkgamer>im not exactly a networking buff so basic networking is fine for me
23:21<networkgamer>all i really need the router should be able to do with its firmware
23:21<networkgamer>like port forwarding or something
23:22<seanp2k>lava: a tarball is like a zip file
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23:22<lava>I know, but something about extracting it and ./make
23:22<lava>and build
23:22<seanp2k>it's easy
23:22<seanp2k>hang on
23:22<networkgamer>ive hated tarballs since attempting to install gentoo
23:23<lava>I love deb packages
23:23<stoned>me too
23:23<networkgamer>i love apt-get install
23:23<Braguz>aptitude is better.
23:23<networkgamer>and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
23:23<seanp2k>is it a tar or a tar,gz or a tar.bz2
23:23<Braguz>it allows to purge packages with all dependencies
23:23<networkgamer>personally i like the command line
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23:24<seanp2k>networkgamer: my packages list is broken so I can't use aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, etc
23:24<networkgamer>want mine?
23:24<seanp2k>package list?
23:24<networkgamer>sources.list file
23:25<seanp2k>no my sources.list is fine
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23:25<seanp2k>there is the thread if you have any ideas
23:25<lava>ok hold on, First before I go crazy
23:25<networkgamer>well theres one good thing about my laptop
23:26<lava>how do I make my mouse [laptop touch pad] go faster
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23:27<seanp2k>lava: xset m 2 2
23:28<freight>I also found elive 1.0 on Please donate to elive if you get it and like it.
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23:28<seanp2k>the two 2's are speed and accel in order
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23:28<networkgamer>i tried elive but it woldnt boot for me
23:28<lava>2 2 is still slow
23:29<lava>I'm guess thats x and y?
23:29<seanp2k>speed and accel
23:29<seanp2k>so if you like the acceleration but need more speed try maybe 3 2 or 4 2
23:30<freight>I'm getting it now from bittorrent, but I donated 20 bucks on the elive site.
23:30<freight>networkgamer: if so, try the #elive channel on
23:30<networkgamer>dont worry about it
23:30<networkgamer>i have a perfectly fine debian installation with e17 on here
23:31<lava>its refused by server
23:31<freight>Heh, same here. <grin> I'm just trying to help out some others who are just starting on their way to Enlightenment.
23:31<kerneld>Does Elive have a public deb repository? Might try out their E packages - not keen on d/l a live CD though
23:32<lava>It says unable to open display: 0,0
23:32<networkgamer>i can give you my direct e17 repos for debian
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23:32<freight>kerneld: no, Elive is a Debian based distro with Enlightenment 17. You can get Enlightenment 17 Beta from CVS via
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23:33<freight>networkgamer: what repository do you use?
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23:34<lava>hold on
23:34<freight>OH. Heh.
23:34<lava>So I have no idea about mouse deal. Why do I do it through x server not kde?
23:35<networkgamer>kde runs xserver
23:35<networkgamer>so in a way kde requires x server
23:36<lava>then why is xserver denying me?
23:36<lava>I'm logged as root
23:36<networkgamer>do sudo
23:36<lava>sudo doesnt work in debian
23:36<lava>su does
23:37<networkgamer>wont let you do what?
23:37<networkgamer>type su again
23:37<lava>sudo isn't a command
23:37<lava>K now I'm lava
23:37<velixzeen>sudo requires configuration in debian, and needs to be installed
23:37<networkgamer>when you exit a command line it also exits root
23:37<freight>lava: apt-get install sudo then vim /etc/sudoers to give the lava account privs.
23:38<seanp2k>su should work, sudo is just safer
23:38<freight>nm, there are plenty of others helpingyou out, I'll keep my mouth shut to minimize the confusion for you.
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23:40<lava>haha I'm not bad with ocmputers ,I'm just new to linux
23:40<lava>brb bathroom and smoke, plus I need to find my install cd to install sudo
23:41<freight>Grrr... I'm just looking at some screenshots of Vista and E17. Those wankers ripped off half of E & Eterm.
23:42<seanp2k> ooh man get him to take the CDROM out of his sources.list
23:42<freight>Does (s)he have networking yet?
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23:44<dpkg>somebody said flamewar was that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python
23:44|-|kerneld [] has joined #debian
23:44<freight>!start a flamewar
23:44<dpkg>Finnish is better than Swedish
23:44<freight>!lart Vista Wankers
23:44[~]dpkg pours hot grits down the front of Vista Wankers's pants
23:45<freight>Sorry, I'll stop now. :>
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23:46<freight>Woot! my nick is 0.00% lame!
23:47[~]seanp2k points to comment about stopping now
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23:48<freight>I did a /msg.. sheesh.
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23:48<seanp2k>finally got this elive
23:48<seanp2k>gonna boot it in a minute
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23:48<freight>That was quick. Nice bandwidth.
23:48<seanp2k>the ftp only went at 300k
23:49<seanp2k>i'm on 15mb
23:49<seanp2k>300=3mb really
23:49<freight>Oh. pokey. Heh.
23:49<seanp2k>ooh well
23:49<seanp2k>better than the torrent that was going 50kbps
23:49<velixzeen>hey no fair, I'm still pulling it
23:49<seanp2k>ok if it has xchat i may be back
23:49<freight>Dude, I"m /kidding/ I only wish I could get 300 consistently.
23:50<seanp2k>ATT has 50mb DSL coming
23:50<seanp2k>the new DOCSIS standard is 150mb
23:50<seanp2k>verizon's FIOS is like 30 or 50mb
23:50<seanp2k>so i feel like my connection sucks
23:50<lava>ok i did the vim but its a blank screen
23:50<freight>YEah, but I"m in the city, so I'm stuck with 10MB DSL or Comcast, whom I loathe.
23:50<lava>with a bunch of thides
23:51<k-man_>so i'm having trouble compiling lirc-modules-source under debian
23:51<k-man_>i think its a bug with the package
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23:51<freight>lava: hrm.. follow closely here. hit <esc> !q
23:51<k-man_>how should I report it? or at least discuss it with someone who might know better than me?
23:51<dpkg>elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN,
23:52<freight>lava: I'm not being facetious, but for a first timer in VI, it can get confusing.
23:52<lava>esc freezes it
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23:52<freight>Now hit !q
23:52<lava>I'm running konsole and it changes the monitor to a bell when i hit q
23:53<freight>In vim it should not.
23:53<lava>is !q a button? or ! then q
23:53<freight>first ! then q
23:53<freight>as in <shift>1 then q
23:53<freight>you shoudl see !q
23:53<lava>it doesnt type
23:53<freight>at the bottom left corner.
23:54<lava>its still a thide
23:54<lava>screen dealy
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23:54<lava>1,0-1 at bottom right
23:54<buji>what choice, compiz or beryl?
23:54<buji>i'm using debian lenny
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23:55<freight>lava: Hrm.. just close the term.
23:56<freight>we'll start over.
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23:56<buji>somebody helpme?
23:56<streuner>buji: read
23:56<freight>Kk, so we keep the noise down here, join me in #freight /join #freight
23:56<buji>streuner, only ask what choice?
23:57<buji>sorry for my english
23:57<streuner>How about to read what we told you?
23:57<buji>who is better? compiz or beryl?
23:58<buji>what is better? compiz or beryl?
23:58<networkgamer>well im gonan go ive got some more stuff to do
23:58<velixzeen>people tend to be more positive on beryl, but depends on your hardware
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23:59<buji>velixzeen, thanks
23:59<buji>VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
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