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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-07-18

---Logopened Wed Jul 18 00:00:20 2007
00:01<kop>deepfrze : Was it a matter of updating the debian-archive-keyring package?
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00:04<deepfrze>kop: no, that didn't change anything. I'm not sure what I'm doing.
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00:08<deepfrze>kop: I've got a remote system, I'm connected to it via network, but can't remember what the command is to copy a file from local system to remote.
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00:13<thedonvaughn>is that so adem?
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00:15<adem>i was wondering if u can help me
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00:15<adem>bit of a newbe
00:15<adem>to linux
00:16<dpkg>it has been said that mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem
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00:19<Th|sD|cK>i must edit /etc/fstab, to mount sda10... i write option auto,user, default...but i don't have write access
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00:21<korny>umask or gid might help, depending on the filesystem
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00:23<jm_>is it vfat?
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00:27<Th|sD|cK>the filesystem is reiserfs
00:31<jm_>then regular Unix permissions apply
00:32<gsimmons_>deepfrze: If you're connected via SSH, 'scp myfile yourhost:' should suffice.
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00:34<deepfrze>kop: okay, I copied the 2007 key file to the remote system, executed the apt-key add <filename> and it returned "ok". Tried to install a package and it wont authenticate. What am I missing.
00:36<deepfrze>kop: also tried a "apt-key update" and still wont authenticate
00:37<UnKnowN>for some reason my server hasn't come back online after attempting to blacklist the module skge
00:37<UnKnowN>I did the following, /etc/discover.conf added 'skge' to skip /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist added 'blacklist skge'
00:38<UnKnowN>also i did dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-(something)
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00:38<jm_>why did you blacklist it?
00:38<jm_>do you know what skge does?
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00:39<UnKnowN>yes and yes
00:39<UnKnowN>skge = broken modules for certain marvell integrated ethernet adapters
00:40<jm_>you think answering "yes" to a "why question" is a good answer?
00:40<UnKnowN>i meant
00:40<UnKnowN>its broken
00:40<UnKnowN>and yes i do know what skge does
00:40<UnKnowN>it doesn't do things right ;)
00:41<jm_>well it obviously didn't pick the right module now ...
00:41<deepfrze>gsimmons_: thanks, can you help me with the authentication problem?
00:41<UnKnowN>sk98lin is supposed to load
00:41<UnKnowN>That's my goal, to replace skge with sk98lin
00:42<jm_>you can force it by editing initrd generation tool's config file(s)
00:42<jm_>or just use modules file, much easier
00:42<UnKnowN><-- Lost
00:43<jm_>man modules
00:43<UnKnowN><-- Doesn't have his machine online to do that
00:45<gsimmons_>deepfrze: Can you pastebin the output of 'apt-key list', your current /etc/apt/sources.list and the output you receive from apt-get/aptitude when attempting to install a package?
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00:45<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
00:45<jm_>that's where legs come handy
00:45<UnKnowN>Where are my legs supposed to go?
00:46<jm_>to its console obviously
00:46<UnKnowN>That's in arizona though
00:46<UnKnowN>I'm in oregon
00:46<UnKnowN>It would take me a week or so to get there on foot
00:46<jm_>well someone will have to do it ...
00:46<UnKnowN>yeah they are trying to bring it back online, but they take awhile
00:46<jm_>they could also use more modern transportation devices ;)
00:46<UnKnowN>I just wanna permanently fix it
00:47<UnKnowN>when its back up
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00:49<deepfrze>gsimmons_: I posted the output of the apt-key update command, is that ok?
00:50<gsimmons_>deepfrze: That wasn't what I requested.
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00:50<Th|sD|cK>i can write on sda10 by console, but with konqueror i can't access denied
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00:55<deepfrze>gsimmons_: okay, I pasted what you requested on
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00:56<deepfrze>gsimmons_: sorry, I didn't send it before I sent you the message. It should be there now
00:59<deepfrze>gsimmons_: thanks for that scp command. I tried it and it worked fine, easier than what I had worked out.
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01:01<gsimmons_>deepfrze: What was the package you tried to install in the last section?
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01:04<deepfrze>gsimmons_: they are on line 39 of the paste.
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01:06<gsimmons_>deepfrze: Please pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy apache2-utils'.
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01:09<deepfrze>gsimmons_: okay, done on a new post
01:11<deepfrze>gsimmons_: apache is just one that I chose from a large list of packages after I did apt-get -u upgrade. None of them would authenticate.
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01:15<gsimmons_>deepfrze: You have version 2.0.55-4 installed currently? That version wasn't in sarge. Are you attempting a sarge->etch upgrade?
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01:16<deepfrze>gsimmons_: no, I did that some months ago. I don't remember exactly when
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01:17<deepfrze>gsimmons_: don't let the sources.list file fool you, just my sloppy housekeeping.
01:24<Th|sD|cK>help me! i have a fs mounted in /mnt/archivio1 but it doesn't write any place
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01:29<gsimmons_>deepfrze: No trouble. Please pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l aptitude libc6'.
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01:31<deepfrze>gsimmons_: done
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01:38<Th|sD|cK>kundalini:/home/thisdick# ls -lh /mnt/
01:38<Th|sD|cK>totale 0
01:38<Th|sD|cK>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 2007-07-18 06:44 archivio1 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 104 2007-07-12 22:07 vecchiocosa
01:38<Th|sD|cK>there is not any filesystem mounted in /archivio1
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01:44<deepfrze>gsimmons_: thanks for your help but I have to go now.
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01:44<deepfrze>gsimmons_: I will do some research later.
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01:48<mjk>Does anyone happen to run an "ASUS M2N-SLI (Deluxe)" mainboard under Debian?
01:49<mjk>DebUsr42: What a pity. :-}
01:49<version2>In the past, I've run an ASUS P5B Deluxe, does that count? :P
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01:50<mjk>version2: What chipset does it use?
01:51<version2>mjk: Your motherboard has a 570 SLI (northbridge) I believe
01:51<version2>*northbridge chipset
01:52<mjk>version2: d'oh, that was a misunderstanding! I meant: What chipset does /your/ board use?
01:52<mjk>version2: But thanks for looking! :-}
01:52<version2>oh mine. lol
01:53<version2>it's an intel 965
01:53<version2>* " Intel P965"
01:54<mjk>version2: Oh! So something completely different, damn.
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01:55<version2>mjk: does Asus not have linux drivers for your board? They should
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01:56<version2>Question, is it possible to change the internal ip address of my debian install to something else?
01:57<mjk>version2: That's not the problem. The problem is that they had various bugs with various BIOS versions, and at least in 2005, there Linux support seems to have been catastrophic.
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02:14<tupa>what has newer packages, debian testing or ubuntu feisty (latest release)
02:15<version2>er, debian testing?
02:15<version2>you can use custom sources if you wish
02:16<suiside>tupa: a new ubuntu release starts out as a snapshot of testing, they add their own patches and artwork
02:16<serge>Hello! I'm looking for replacement for CUPS in my Etch 4.0 server. It looks that the best one is LPRng. I want one more component to my print system like xpp for CUPS, can anybody advice alternative pls?
02:16<suiside>atleast it used to be that way
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02:17<version2>suiside: That sounds about right.
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02:18<suiside>it's not exaclty the same though, as ubuntu has their upstart and so forth these days
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02:20<version2>I remember reading something about every build they start from debian
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02:20<version2>instead of building off of ubuntu, I suppose
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02:23<serge>Hello! I'm looking for replacement for CUPS in my Etch 4.0 server. It looks that the best one is LPRng. I want one more component to my print system like xpp for CUPS, can anybody advice alternative pls?
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02:24<tupa>suiside, then if let's say, debian dies, ubuntu dies?
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02:26<suiside>tupa: what's with this pessimism?
02:26<suiside>"you've got a awfully nice distro there, it would be a shame if something happens to it"
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02:28<suiside>tupa: hardly, debian isn't going anywhere and with the funding the ubuntu project has it could easily manage by itself, I guess the current situation is for the sake of efficiency
02:30<version2>suiside: "you've got a awfully nice distro there, it would be a shame if something happens to it" Hm... chmod 775 -r / :P
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02:31<suiside>accidents do happen
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02:32<version2>I did that yesterday by accident. :P
02:34<suiside>tupa: you know, the slackware project is run by one guy, with occasional help from people at #slackware, and the latest release is as fresh as debian (if you absolutely want to compare like that), a couple of packages even newer compared to etch, but that's not the point. The point is, have some faith in the community will you?
02:35<version2>I'm trying to chmod my /var/www/ directory correctly, so that files uploaded via sftp have a default chmod (?) of something writable by php. Any tips?
02:35<jm_>except that slackware has nowhere near the amount of packages Debian has
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02:36<version2>jm_: that's surprising, because the debian package verification (to get packages listed) is strick
02:36<suiside>jm_: true, that's one reason why that comparison is pointless
02:37<jm_>version2: what do you mean surprising?
02:38<jm_>!dstats sid
02:38<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21283 packages, 1860 maintainers, 50778 MB installed size, 17356 MB compressed size.
02:38<jm_>version2: ^^^^
02:39<version2>is it still 14 cds ? :)
02:39<jm_>17356MB would be a tight squeeze on 14 CD-s :)
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02:43<version2> <- This server is not responsible for waisting bandwidth to download all 14 cds...
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03:04<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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03:07<DTE>hi all
03:07<DTE>i have some problem with drbd and ocfs2
03:07<DTE>i cannot make to sync the two hosts
03:07<DTE>someone can help me?
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03:18<meglo>hey kid im a computer stop all the downloading
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03:23<yziquel>Hello. I'm having trouble removing a package, and therefore turned on debconf's deugging symbols to see what's happening on the debconf protocol. I get "debconf (developer): <-- FSET package/dbconfig-remove seen false", and then "debconf (developer): --> 10 package/dbconfig-remove doesn't exist". But where is package/dconfig-remove supposed to be, exactly?
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03:49<meglo>I was able to run through some autoconfigure procedure to get xorg running, how would I go about that again?
03:50<meglo>I'm trying to get the display to work so I can load up window maker
03:50<cahoot>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:50<jm_>!drxx meglo
03:50<dpkg>meglo: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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03:51<meglo>tee-hee, I don't have xserver/xorg installed
03:52<meglo>installing now
03:52<niru>from where does /etc/fstab come
03:52<niru>i mean which package shows fstab file
03:53<niru>jm_, any idea
03:53<Jasper>should I remove a whole lot of packages to install the latest libc6 from testing?
03:53<jm_>niru: none
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03:54<niru>jm_, from where does fstab come
03:54<niru>I want to comment some lines in that
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03:59<jm_>niru: probably installer then
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04:04<meandtheshell> I'd like to set up a keybinding which triggers (executes) a shell script - I am with DebianGNU/Linux unstable and GNOME - any pointers?
04:05<stew>meandtheshell: xbindkeys can do it
04:05<meandtheshell>stew: thank you - will take a look
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04:07<jm_>or if you use a decent window manager, you can rely on its functionality too
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04:10<Jasper>Should I update the kept-back libc6 packages?
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04:11<witte>Jasper: I do not have a lot of kept-back packages in testing
04:11<witte>or none in fact
04:12<witte>my libc version is 2.6-2
04:12<Jasper>The following packages have been kept back: gcc-4.2-base libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libgcc1 libmudflap0 libstdc++6 locales module-init-tools
04:12<korny>i have something on my server that restores the iptables at reebot. the restore-file is /etc/firewall/iptables. How can i find out which programm restores the iptables?
04:14<witte>Jasper: maybe update first, gcc-4.2-base and libgcc1 are updated today on my repository
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04:14<Jasper>witte: I'll try
04:15<meglo>SearchIRC doesn't allow lynx
04:16<Jasper>witte: I'm not sure, it did not fix the problem, but I'm out of time
04:16<Jasper>thank you for your time
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04:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo
04:27<leo>hi any idea how to install ubuntu style and themes on non-ubuntu distro.....
04:27<leo>on debain
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04:27<Metalqga>themes are easy
04:28<leo>ya i know
04:28<leo>but where to download or fetch the deb file for it
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04:28<leo>is it include in the debain by default
04:28<leo>what i found is that ubuntu uses human theme...
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04:36<Metalqga>what's your favourite GUIed torrent program?
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04:42<djuLoq>Metalqga; Azureus
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04:42<Metalqga>i'll try it
04:43<Metalqga>thanks, i used to use qbittorrent but it's too young
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04:45<limcore>there is error in openoffice for long time
04:45<limcore>how do I report it? to upstream only? or also to debian bug
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04:48<bamboozle>i've just installed etch on an old laptop (amd k6-3 @475 w/ 256M ram). it uses a xircom pcmcia ethernet adapter (module: xirc2ps_cs). the "funny" thing is that the card is not recognized at boot time. but if i eject it and re-insert it, the system recognizes it and i can configure it. the same thing happened during install time. i plugged in the card just it searched for network interface. any clues? thanx.
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04:50<dpkg>po is, like, Piss Off or Post Office
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04:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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04:54<paddy_>Metalqga, reckon that's pt not po :-)
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04:56<MoohZ86>hello i've little problem with jigdo, it doesn't resume :s
04:56<Metalqga>yes :D
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04:58<bamboozle>i've just installed etch on an old laptop (amd k6-3 @475 w/ 256M ram). it uses a xircom pcmcia ethernet adapter (module: xirc2ps_cs). the "funny" thing is that the card is not recognized at boot time. but if i eject it and re-insert it, the system recognizes it and i can configure it. the same thing happened during install time. i plugged in the card just after the "network interface not found" message and it worked. any clues? thanx.
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05:10<paddy_>bamboozle, something I have seen was a kernel module that was not getting loaded in time
05:11<gsimmons_>bamboozle: I'm using a similar NIC on an even older laptop (with Etch), but haven't encountered your problem. As a workaround, you could use 'pccardctl eject' and 'pccardctl insert' within a startup script, or as a 'pre-up' command within your /etc/network/interfaces file.
05:11<Rajohan`Linux>how can i see all prosseses running on my debian copmuter?
05:12<bamboozle>paddy_, gsimmons_: thanx
05:12<paddy_>Rajohan`Linux, man ps
05:17<Rajohan`Linux>Exit ./bnc{4} :Unable to bind to socket. <-- what does that mean?
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05:19<DTE>once in debian there was the package there isn't anymore...
05:19<DTE>i read it changed name, but i don't remenber
05:19<DTE>someone knows it?
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05:20<bibi___>maybe etherboot
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05:22<Metalqga>can gparted manage lvm partitions?
05:22<DTE>bibi___: i found just etherboot-doc
05:22<witte>DTE: maybe bootparamd
05:23<Metalqga>when I start it it says Scanning all devices and does nothing more
05:23<DTE>witte: something like that..but diskless could prepare everything to boot from net
05:23<paddy_>Rajohan`Linux, bnc the irc bouncer ?
05:23<tycale>I want to install flash for my Debian AMD64.
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05:23<DTE>apropos....i see there are tags in the it possibile to search with these tags?
05:25<tycale>With synapic or kpakage i think (but 'im new)
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05:25<DTE>and with apt?
05:26<tycale>Try apt-get --help to see if it's possible.
05:27<tycale>But I think we can't search with apt-get. maybe with aptitude. (but not sur, i'm new)
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05:27<jm_>DTE: yes
05:28<DTE>jm_: super....but how? in the man there is nothing about
05:28<jm_>DTE: apt-cache show debtags
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05:29<DTE>great...i install it right now
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05:32<Cyorxamp> Lo, I'm sharing a FAT32 partition over samba and some files have the word 'Björk' in the name (an artists name) - However it shows as Bj_ork ... which needless to say screws up the playlists pointing to Björk... never had this issue when sharing from a windows box, any ideas on how to fix?
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05:32[~]_Johny says hello
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05:33<Cyorxamp>Hello Johny
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05:33<_Johny>Does anyone of you use MOC (music on console) player?
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05:35<_Johny>The problem is more related to installing step - I just don't know where to obtain GPG key to this repositories
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05:43<ackron>_Johny: gpg --keyserver hkp:// --recv-keys DC883C6EC54F7FB0
05:43<ackron>_Johny: gpg --armor --export DC883C6EC54F7FB0 | sudo apt-key add -
05:43<Metalqga>hey jm_
05:44<_Johny>ackron, May I know how did you obtain this, or can you just direct me a to a document related?
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05:45<jm_>Metalqga: 'lo
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05:46<ackron>_Johny: The above can be found in lots of documents on how to import keys into apt, I did some googling and got mine from
05:46<Metalqga>Now I can use fglrx and not have the strange floating point exception error!
05:46<_Johny>ackron thank you
05:47<ackron>_Johny: The only thing i changed was the GPG key but apt-get update tells you the right key to get
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05:48<_Johny>So, knowing repositories it's possible to obtain the right key, right?
05:48<ackron>wel if you do an apt-get update it will fetch the updates but complains that it can not verify the authenticity due to the missing PGP key
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05:50<ackron>apt-get update shows: W: GPG error: unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DC883C6EC54F7FB0
05:50<ackron>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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05:50<ackron>DC883C6EC54F7FB0 is the key id you need to fetch from the keyserver
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05:51<ackron>or if a key server is not available search google for the key is it is available
05:52<_Johny>ackron thank you very much again those are important informations
05:53<_Johny>I'm about to switch from Ubuntu to Debian soon...
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06:00<jMCg>Has anyone ever tried to compile httpd or apr-util, for that matter with MySQL support?
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06:08<Cyorxamp> Lo, I'm sharing a FAT32 partition over samba and some files have the word 'Björk' in the name (an artists name) - However it shows as Bj_ork ... which needless to say screws up the playlists pointing to Björk... never had this issue when sharing from a windows box, any ideas on how to fix?
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06:09<Emilien>Hello, I'm looking for the debian bugtracker to use it own my own server for a private project use. Is it possible ?
06:10<cahoot>Cyorxamp, tried iocharset=iso8859-15 as mount option?
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06:10<jm_>Emilien: debbugs
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06:11<Emilien>jm_: Thanks ;à
06:12<Crypticfortune>can i just delete unwanted messages from /var/spool/postfix/deferred? or will that break things?
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06:14<gsimmons_>Crypticfortune: Hmm, best to use 'postsuper -d ALL deferred' instead.
06:15<Crypticfortune>gsimmons_: awesome. thanks!
06:17<Cyorxamp>cahoot: I would, but I can't unmount the disk to try
06:18<Cyorxamp>I even used fuser to check why its 'device is busy' but nothing shows up
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06:24<Cyorxamp>cahoot: I put 'defaults,iocharset=iso8859-15' as options - that right? it didn't help
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06:29<test>where can i find the list of hardware supported by netisnt image
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06:31<dpkg>well, hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
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06:32<cahoot>Cyorxamp, - the section on samba seems to apply
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06:33<Cyorxamp>I don't want to convert anything cahoot
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06:33<cahoot>Cyorxamp, no but it seems to explain the problem
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06:35[~]limcore is away
06:35<streuner>!tell limcore about away
06:35<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced.
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06:37<limcore>streuner: ups sorry, U had it configured for another chan.
06:37<limcore>* I
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06:40<fxiny>Bijork an artist name ? she's a great Artist
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06:43<peyman>hi everyone. i'm trying to configure exim to it with gmail, and keeps complaining that port 25 is already in use, what should i do?
06:43<peyman>s/to it/to use it/
06:43<petemc>peyman: lsof -i :25
06:43<peyman>petemc: nothing
06:43<petemc>that would indicate port 25 is not in use
06:44<petemc>there was a bug whereby apache would grab port 25
06:44<peyman>oh, no, with sudo sendmail uses that
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06:45<peyman>i did this: sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail stop
06:45<peyman>but still useing it!
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06:45<peyman>do i simply kill it?!
06:46<peyman>oh! sendmail and exim are same things?
06:46<peyman>petemc: then what's wrong with my exim?
06:46<petemc>but lsof should have mentioned exim
06:46<petemc>paste one line of the output of lsof
06:47<jm_>plus you can't have both installed at the same time
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06:47<peyman>sendmail- 11484 root 4u IPv4 1982719 TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
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06:48<peyman>jm_: actually, i'm playing around with mutt, so i first installed ssmtp, then removed and again installed exim
06:48<peyman>ssmtp was damn slow
06:48<peyman>i'm hoping exim is not
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06:52<fxiny>nothing run on 25 ? is exim running or is dead courtesy of a paniclog ?
06:53<peyman>fxiny: running
06:53<peyman>i killed the sendmail stupidly and now exim4 is using 25
06:53<peyman>but still can't send mail using mutt
06:53<petemc>i would look into why you have both installed
06:53<peyman>can anyone help me in configuring mutt? the channel in is dead
06:54<petemc>readlink -f `which sendmail`
06:54<jm_>man muttrc
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06:54<petemc>for sending, theres not much to configure for mutt
06:54<petemc>likely, exim isnt configured properly
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06:55<petemc>sendmail should be a link to exim
06:55<peyman>petemc: yeah, looks like that to me too
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07:01<TiiTi>I have a little problem with my network, can you help me?
07:02<fxiny>hahhaah man muttrc ? hahahaha
07:02<fxiny>read it all !:P
07:02<pumpkin0>TiiTi: don't ask to ask and describe what is broken.
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07:03<fxiny>4096 lines :))
07:03<TiiTi>I use PPPoE and want to disable TCP/IP for eth0
07:04<TiiTi>I don't want to have IP address in LAN
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07:06<TiiTi>but I don't know how to disable TCP/IP
07:06<TiiTi>can anyone help me?
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07:08<petemc>ifdown eth0
07:08<petemc>then remove or comment out the entries for it in /etc/network/interfaces
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07:09<TiiTi>I'll try
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07:12<dpkg>from memory, games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars, or
07:12<twb>No debian-games channel?
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07:17<Emilien>Does anyone know what version of *bootcd* will work correctly without the /Kernel Panic/ ?
07:18<peyman>which one do you recommend? exim or sendmail or anything else?
07:19<peyman>exim looks so bulky
07:19<suiside>Emilien: you'll have to more specific if you want help, why is the kernel panicing?
07:20<Emilien>After having generated my ISO correctly. When booting on my bootcd. I got that error: */init: /init: 130: Syntax error: 0xto Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!*
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07:21<Emilien>This bug has been already reporter as bug # 382293 but I got the same
07:21<Emilien>*reported :s
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07:21<suiside>ok, your being vague, is this a iso you downloaded or an iso you've made yourself?
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07:22<Emilien>suiside: I made myself using *bootcdwrite*
07:23<Emilien>suiside: my debian version is Etch (updated using aptitude and stable mirrors). Bootcd version is 3.0.0
07:24<Emilien>suiside: any idea ??? lol
07:26<Emilien>How could I generate a text file with my system infos ?
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07:27<suiside>Emilien: well, according to it should be fixed in 2.55 but as you are running 3.0 it seems it has resurfaced again
07:28<Emilien>suiside: then how could I run back the 2.55 ?
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07:32<suiside>Emilien: that version is no longer available on the mirrors
07:33<Emilien>erf ! Do you know anyother package that could create an ISO from the running kernel ?
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07:35<twb>He could install Lenny from a lenny CD
07:35<twb>Would that have the bug?
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07:38<suiside>well, it's been reproduced on 3.00 and 3.01 according to the bugzilla and there's been no feedback since then
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07:41<Emilien>I sent back a mail to the bug mailbox, but it seems to have been not published ... :s
07:42<weasel>when did you send it?
07:42<weasel>it takes a bit, and sometimes an even longer bit
07:44<Emilien>Something like 3-4 days
07:44<Emilien>lol it's a big long bit :p
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07:46<weasel>Emilien: days is a bit long indeed. maybe worth retrying
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07:48<Emilien>partimage seems to do the same thing ^^
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07:51<user1>jemand da???
07:51<user1>du deutsch
07:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:51<user1>sprich mit mir...bitte!!!!!!!!!
07:51<weasel>nein. und lern dich zu benehmen. ciau.
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07:52<user1>hä.... bist du doof?
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07:52<@weasel>this channel is an english language channel.
07:53<dpkg>rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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08:05<TiiTi>when I type ifdown: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
08:06<TiiTi>because of that I use ifconfig eth0 down
08:06<TiiTi>I comment lines with eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
08:06<TiiTi>now there is only one line in /etc/network/run/ifstate lo=lo
08:07<TiiTi>but still when I type ifconfig eth0 up, after around 20 seconds DHCP server give me ip address
08:07<jm_>tell your DHCP client to ignore eth0 then
08:07<TiiTi>How I can disable TCP/IP and use only PPPoE?
08:08<jm_>TiiTi: make sure interface has no IP configure
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08:11<david>Re all
08:11<jm_>we already told you, 1.5 times by now - comment out its entry in interfaces or make sure it's not marked auto, tell DHCP client to ignore it
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08:15<klys>is there a way to do `svn co' in such a way that `svn update' would update the tree?
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08:16<klys>do you ever?
08:16<weasel>what's wrong with just svn co?
08:16<klys>you mean, do it again?
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08:16<weasel>no, do it once. then you have a working copy.
08:17<weasel>and when the repository changes, you svn up.
08:17<klys>ok, suppose my working copy gets skipped by `svn update'
08:17<weasel>go into the working copy?
08:17<weasel>then svn up
08:17<klys>like `cd 4.9; svn up ...' ?
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08:17<weasel>if 4.9 is a working copy
08:18<klys>skipped again
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08:18<weasel>what does it say?
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08:18<twb>...that's what I use to keep my svn checkouts up to date
08:18<klys>k I'll look
08:19<twb>Then I just do "make live-helper" and it either checks it out or updates it.
08:19<weasel>klys: so, what does svn say when you do 'svn up'?
08:20<weasel>klys: or more intersetingly, what does it say when you say "svn info"
08:20<klys>/usr/src/alleg_svn# svn up
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08:20<klys>Skipped ''
08:20<weasel>svn up is wrong.
08:20<weasel>with that argument
08:20<weasel>just "svn up" in the correct directory.
08:21<weasel>or "svn up <local path>" if you only want to update parts
08:21<twb>Or svn up /path/to/checkout
08:21<klys>/usr/src/alleg_svn/4.9# svn up
08:21<klys>Skipped ''
08:21<weasel>what did I jsut say?
08:21<klys>/usr/src/alleg_svn# svn up 4.9
08:21<klys>At revision 8084.
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08:21<weasel>as soon as you do it right, it works :)
08:21<klys>it's complete then
08:21<twb>Only on the outside.
08:22<twb>Inside a dog it's too dark to read.
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08:26<TiiTi>jm_ this is my /etc/network/interfaces
08:26<TiiTi>auto lo
08:26<TiiTi>iface lo inet loopback
08:26<TiiTi>but dhcp vlient work perfect :(
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08:38<alex_>anyone know of good dedicated hosting companys on the east coast USA - looking for cheap with unlimited data etc
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08:39<alkaloida>i have got the first debian cd, but i want to install other packages
08:39<alkaloida>where are other packages?
08:39<witte>alkaloida: on the internet?
08:39<DTE>on the other cd/dvd?
08:40<witte>alkaloida: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is complete
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08:41<witte>alkaloida: there has to be a line in it like deb stable contrib
08:41<alkaloida>I added
08:41<witte>starting from "deb "
08:41<alkaloida>stable = 4.0 etch?
08:42<witte>alkaloida: then run apt-get update;apt-get install <package-that-you-want>
08:42<witte>yes, etch is stable
08:42<alkaloida>ok, thanks
08:42<witte>alkaloida: if you want something graphical, you can use synaptic
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08:43<alkaloida>no thakns, i use debian with full console in s router
08:44<witte>ok, you can best add a local mirror as repository
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08:46<Emilien>How can I list all my partitions availables in order to choose what device to mount ?
08:46<paddy_>Emilien, try fdisk -l
08:47<witte>more /proc/partitions
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08:47<Emilien>thanks ^^
08:48<TiiTi>The DHCP server assign to me IP address
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08:49<TiiTi>and changes in /etc/network/interfaces don't reflect to this
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08:51<TiiTi>maybe this is not the way to disable TCP/IP
08:52<paddy_>TiiTi, do you want to disable TCP/IP ?
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08:53<TiiTi>do you know how I can do this?
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08:55<paddy_>TiiTi, move the kernel module out of the way :-)
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08:55<paddy_>TiiTi, of course for that to work it needs to be a module, but I think it is on a stock debian kernel
08:57<paddy_>TiiTi, sorry, maybe I;m just thinking of ip6 :-(
08:57<paddy_>TiiTi, although it's still basically a sound idea :-)
08:58<paddy_>TiiTi, disabling TCP/IP is pretty drastic though. you don't want a loopback network ?
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08:59<witte>TiiTi: what do you want to do, and why do you think you need to disable TCP/IP
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09:00<TiiTi>you want to say that there is no way to disable TCP/IP?
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09:01<TiiTi>I use PPPoE I don't want to have IP on LAN
09:02<paddy_>TiiTi, are you using IP over that PPPoE ?
09:02<TiiTi>no IP for eth0 but only for ppp0
09:03<TiiTi>yes ofcourse
09:03<paddy_>TiiTi, ah ok! this is not what I thought you meant by disable TCP/IP. what do you want to run on eth0 ?
09:04<paddy_>TiiTi, IPX for example, or just nothing.
09:04<TiiTi>nothing I comunicate with PPPoE hub over DLC
09:05<witte>TiiTi: just do sudo ifconfig eth0 down
09:05<TiiTi>and then you will see TiiTi quit
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09:08<TiiTi>ppp0 use eth0
09:08<TiiTi>I just want not to assign IP for eth0
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09:09<DTE>somebody has experience on ocfs2 and drbd?
09:09<paddy_>DTE, no but I have a fair idea what you're talking about :-)
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09:10<paddy_>DTE, would that be drbd8 ?
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09:12<DTE>yes...i use the packet from unstable
09:13<DTE>i'm try to make a primary/primary setup
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09:14<TiiTi>paddy do you have samo idea for my problem?
09:15<TiiTi>paddy do you have any idea for my problem?
09:16<paddy_>TiiTi, I'm still having trouble understanding exactly what you're trying to do. what doesn't work if you ifconfig eth0 down ?
09:16<DTE>TiiTi: why do you want to disable tcp/ip on eth0?
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09:16<DTE>if the cable is unpugled the network is sure down
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09:17<koollman>TiiTi: if you don't want to assign an ip ... then just don't :)
09:17<DTE>or run ifdown eth0
09:17<koollman>DTE: that's not exactly the same thing
09:17<TiiTi>if eth0 is down I can't use pon ds-provider to connect
09:17<koollman>an interface can be 'up', without an IP
09:19<TiiTi>but I can't configure dhclient, and DHCP server assign IP to me
09:19<paddy_>koollman, sure. but at the point you want to configure it to be specifically that way, I figure you gotta have a good reason :-)
09:20<DTE>koollman: yes of course...but what the meaning to have an interface up without ip?
09:20<TiiTi>because ppp0 use this interface to connect to PPPoE hub
09:20<Supaplex>DTE: as in ifconfig eth0 up
09:21<koollman>well ... last time I used that, the box was a firewall bridge ... no ip, no simple way to get in
09:21<paddy_>so what does it do if you've got no eth0 hardware at all ??
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09:22<DTE>never saw ethernet interface without address being used
09:22<fxiny>telepaty ?
09:22<fxiny>paddy_: :)
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09:22<TiiTi>I just want to comunicate with PPPoE hub sending to it packets over ethernet directly to PPPoE hub's MAC address
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09:23<paddy_>TiiTi, ah!!!
09:23<koollman>DTE: ethernet have an address ... MAC address
09:23<koollman>you don't need IP to communicate on ethernet :)
09:24<TiiTi>I want to use only Data Link Control layer to comunicate with PPPoE hub no TCP/IP
09:24<DTE>koollman: yes for sure....i don't mean it's impossible...i just never see practical use
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09:24<paddy_>TiiTi, so you won;t be wanting that pesky dhcp client on that interface then ?
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09:25<TiiTi>I don't want to use any dhsp client
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09:26<paddy_>TiiTi, would it help to uninstall the dhcp client ?
09:26<paddy_>TiiTi, although granted you should be able to do it without doing that
09:26<TiiTi>well in future it maybe usefull
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09:28<TiiTi>the DHCP client, so to uninstall it is not good idea, I just don't want to use it
09:29<paddy_>and you've looked at /etc/network.interfaces(5) and /etc/dhcp3/
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09:29<TiiTi>this is my /etc/network/interfaces
09:30<TiiTi>auto lo
09:30<TiiTi>iface lo inet loopback
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09:31<DTE>so you don't have any eth0 int in the interfaces
09:32<DTE>and you still get the address from dhcp?
09:32<TiiTi>and this is dhcp3
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09:34<paddy_>TiiTi, the dhcp client has to be run from somewhere. if indeed that's what's putting the address on eth0. do you have anything like avahi ?
09:34<TiiTi>and this is /etc/network/run/ifstate
09:35<TiiTi>what is avahi?
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09:37<paddy_>TiiTi, might be worth checking ... dpkg -l '*avahi*'
09:37<fxiny>ppp0 uses eth0 ?
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09:37<TiiTi>well, when make changes in these files I restart eth0 (down, up) but not restart OS. Maybe dhclient is just still working
09:37<paddy_>fxiny, apparently yes :-)
09:37<fxiny>paddy_: so is ok , no eth0 on /etc/network/interfaces
09:38<fxiny>no need for it
09:38<paddy_>fxiny, well I suppose you might hook in the PPPoE there, dunno, never used that setup :-)
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09:39<TiiTi>I want to say that ppp0 use NIC, I think when i down eth0 NIC doesn't work
09:39<petemc>TiiTi: why are messaging me random stuff?
09:40<TiiTi>petemc sorry :)
09:40<TiiTi>I'm not familiar with bitchx interface
09:40<paddy_>TiiTi, ifconfig eth0 (which Supaplex suggested earlier) seems to do the right thing. does that work for you ? or are you after the root cause ?
09:41<fxiny>paddy_: the answer blows in the "scroll back" , check it up ;)
09:41<fxiny>paddy_: :)
09:42<TiiTi>I'm going to try ifconfig eth0
09:42<paddy_>fxiny, :-)
09:42<fxiny>paddy_: seen ?
09:42<TiiTi>bye for now and thank you
09:43<paddy_>fxiny, no, tell ?!
09:43<fxiny>paddy_: "tell DHCP client to ignore it"
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09:45<paddy_>fxiny, I need more scrollback :-)
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09:54<Rajohan`Linux>im getting: checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables <-- while i try to install sbnc.. im writing ./configure
09:55<Rajohan`Linux>what is wrong?
09:55<stew>!b-e Rajohan`Linux
09:55<dpkg>Rajohan`Linux: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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09:57<Rajohan`Linux>stew, build-essential means the tar file?
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09:57<stew>Rajohan`Linux: its a package you need to install
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10:07<Rajohan`Linux>how can i copy all in one folder and paste it in another?
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10:07<Rajohan`Linux>with terminal
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10:08<maxdoubt>which package is fsck kept in?
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10:08<pumpkin0>Rajohan`Linux: cp -r /dir1 /dir2
10:08<malin>anybody who's good att drivers for wifiadapters?
10:09<test>what is the pxe deamon in debian? do i need it for network boot
10:09<maxdoubt>test, i don't think you do
10:10<test>what is it used for
10:10<maxdoubt>test, all you need is dhcp setup correctly and the pxelinux.0 bootloader in your tftp directory
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10:10<maxdoubt>test, i'm not sure what the pxe daemon does
10:10<suiside>maxdoubt: the fsck utlities for different filesystems are provided in the fsprogs package for the specific filesystem
10:10<test>maxdoubt, yes and which ver of tftpd to use , there is alos tftpd-hp
10:11<maxdoubt>test, yeah... i prefer the tftpd-hpa
10:11<pumpkin0>test: netbooting needs 2: server and client. I think you found the server ...
10:11<maxdoubt>test, but either will work fine
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10:11<DTE>how can i recover from a split brain error on drbd?
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10:12<test>what is the pxe deamon for
10:13<alex_>lol exit, exit
10:13<maxdoubt>test, it probably just requires dhcp/tftp and installs them and monitors tftp traffic?
10:14<maxdoubt>test, but a bootloader isn't really a daemon process, which is why that package confuses me
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10:21<Rajohan>how can i delete a dir with terminal?
10:21<eSa|>hello, i've incendentally overwritten the 56mb of an ext2 partition (/dev/sda3) when using dd
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10:22<eSa|>since the partition was about 70gb, is there any chance for me to recover data?
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10:26<alex_>eSa|, pray to the debiangods
10:26<eSa|>may they have mercy of me ;)
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10:29<alex_>sacrifice a windows machine for them
10:29<alex_>they will appease you
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10:30<eSa|>no more bsods there
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10:30<Rajohan>how can i delete a dir with terminal?
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10:32<suiside>Rajohan: rmdir if the directory is empty, rm -r if you want to delete also the files it contains
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10:35<M_Durant>Hi. it seems somebody (maybe myself)screwed up our Fileserver... is it possible to re-install debian (ot make sure there are not rootkits or whatever) but keep the files in the /home directories?
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10:36<koollman>M_Durant: depends of the partitionning
10:36<ackron>M_Durant: is the home drive on a seperate partition or not
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10:37<koollman>M_Durant: the simple way is to backup /home first (and maybe the interesting parts of the system, like /var/log, /var/spool ...), then do a clean install and restore the files
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10:37<M_Durant>yeah i guess so, it has an own entry in /etc/fstab
10:38<panagos>if i use raid on debian, how will i be informed of a disk failure?
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10:38<DTE>panagos: you need a program to check raid
10:38<DTE>if you use a hardware raid
10:39<panagos>DTE: if i use a hardware raid, what program can i use for that?
10:39<petemc>depends on which hardware raid
10:39<koollman>depends of the hardware
10:39<petemc>try not to be so vague
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10:40<M_Durant>panagos> our hardware raid (Dell PowerEdge) will alarm you (and the rest of the city...) with an annoying alarm-sound - and start restoring the disc
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10:40<DTE>adaptec has own tools, areca too, and so on
10:40<panagos>i have an asus motherboard with integrated raid controller, and am thinking of using raid
10:41<dpkg>Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid.
10:41<Dracon>ugh, having major issues installing debian4.0 on a poweredge 1400 (scsi). It installs with no issues but can't mount the root filesystem. Just get: megaraid: ABORTING-1 cmd=12 <c=0 t=0 l=0> and some other stuff
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10:42<Dracon>ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell
10:42<Dracon>any idea why it's broken after a fresh intall? This is the second time I've installed it, keeps failing on boot
10:43<DTE>Dracon: uhm...look if it really use the right root device...sometimes i had to change them manually
10:43<witte>Dracon: maybe some module is not loaded at boot?
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10:45<panagos>what is the difference between /opt and /usr/local in terms of purpose of existence?
10:45<petemc>i had some issues with initrd creation on some poweredges
10:45<petemc>often will dell kit you have to jump through a few hoops
10:46<Dracon>just weird, i had 3.0 on here with no issues a few years ago
10:46<petemc>its generally documented somewhere tho
10:46<Dracon>did a clean install with 4.0 and it just won't work
10:46<petemc>thats a perc3 then
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10:46<Dracon>yep, perc
10:47<Dracon>I think it's a module issue.
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10:50<petemc>Dracon: what makes you think that?
10:50<DiAbInHo>good afternoon, I was trying to install a *.deb package I downloaded from the internet but then I wanted to cancel. I closed the "installing package" window but now I can't close the other window, that is giving information about the package and other things
10:50<DiAbInHo>How do I force this window to close
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10:52<M_Durant>Dracon: I'm formatting my system now (possible rootkit..) and was planning ot install etch. It's a PowerEdge2600 with perc3/DC. You're saying etch won't run on this machine?
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10:52<petemc>im using lots of machines with perc4 controllers
10:52<twb>What architecture is that?
10:52<DiAbInHo>good afternoon, I was trying to install a *.deb package I downloaded from the internet but then I wanted to cancel. I closed the "installing package" window but now I can't close the other window, that is giving information about the package and other things
10:52<limcore>apache2 continues to send .php files as files instea executing them, what might be the cause>
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10:52<petemc>twb: its a raid controller
10:52<DiAbInHo>how do I force this window to close
10:52<Fatal>There's some pretty funky things that go on with the perc3
10:52<alex_>DiAbInHo, ctrl+x
10:53<alex_>DiAbInHo, ctrl+c
10:53<petemc>perc3 sucked ass
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10:53<Fatal>hooh yah
10:53<petemc>perc4 can be flaky too, tho updating the bios etc helps
10:53<DiAbInHo>alex_ it didn't work :(
10:53<twb>Hardware raid is a bit out of my league
10:53<petemc>under heavy loads it can crap out
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10:54<DTE>is perc3 using aacraid?
10:54<DiAbInHo>how do i force a window to close
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10:54<DTE>is aacraid managed bye raidtools?
10:55<koollman>DiAbInHo: 'xkill'
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10:55<limcore>DiAbInHo: alt+ctrl+ESC and kill any window with mouse
10:55<Fatal>I was wondering why top shows my memory usage as almost all used, but the process list when sorted by memory doesn't show anything using over a percent
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10:56<amphi>Fatal: how much is in buffers 'n cache, in top?
10:56<DiAbInHo>giw jiikknab
10:56<DiAbInHo>how koollman
10:57<DiAbInHo>i am unable
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10:57<limcore>DiAbInHo: alt+ctrl+ESC and kill any window with mouse
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10:58<DiAbInHo>used xkill
10:58<Fatal>oh, and 393 cached
10:59<DiAbInHo>thx ppl
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10:59<Rajohan>how can i copy from one dir to another? it has to owerwrite the files in the other folder to, with terminal...
11:00<twb>Rajohan: "overwrite"?
11:00<DTE>someone with srbd experience?
11:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:02<DTE>ok...i have problems with drbd... i caanot make it to work
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11:02<DTE>i read everyhting but no help till now
11:02<DTE>i get always split brain
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11:05<malin>I got a problem with my connection, is there anyone who could help me?
11:05<fxiny>anyone , hmmm
11:05<fxiny>twb: hehehe
11:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:06<twb>malin: insufficient data
11:06<jamess>anybody ever route external (no nat) addresses through a linux box?
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11:07<jamess>trying to figure out how it's going to handle subnets without actually having a server here for testing
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11:07<jamess>say i use a sample block:, and i need to divide it out into /29's
11:07<malin>I have a Dlink wifi adapter, connected through USB on my laptop, and I cant get it to work with linux.
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11:09<jamess>i have eth0 as the wan interface-
11:09<jamess>eth2,3,4,5,etc are physical interfaces
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11:12<malin>jamess: was that msg to me? If it was I didn't get what you wanted to say >_<
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11:12<jamess>no, it was to twb
11:12<malin>oh, sry
11:12<jamess>it's okay
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11:14<amphi>Fatal: what?
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11:15<twb>jamess: please don't use /msg.
11:15<twb>jamess: I said "yes", as in "yes, people have done this".
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11:15<twb>I can access a Sarge box doing what you describe.
11:15<twb>However, I did not set it up.
11:15<jamess>that would be great
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11:16<jamess>twb: i didn't want to flood the room with nonrelated text
11:16<fxiny>is not : that's MY box :P
11:16<twb>Setting up networking on Debian is surely on-topic
11:16<jamess>twb: i have a /24 block of ip's and and need to route other physical interfaces within the same subnet, yet subnet them out into vlans
11:17<djuLoq>!selftell enter
11:17<jamess>but asking "were you saying yes to me?" isn't.
11:17<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
11:17<fxiny>jamess: ^^^
11:17<jamess>fxiny: had nothing to do with pasteing
11:17<twb>jamess: fair enough
11:17<DTE>jamess: do you want to use vlans?
11:17<jamess>that is the ideal result.
11:17<fxiny>jamess: you said flood !
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11:18<twb>Surely you just set up route entries correctly on each host, and set their IP addresses to be on the appropriate subnet
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11:19<jamess>my only real question is... on the physical interfaces (not the wan interface) would i define the /29 or the /24 netmask.
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11:20<DTE>jamess: i think you should set the /29
11:20<jamess>the setup is a machine with 26 nics in it. 2 wan (one is failover)
11:20<jamess>that's what i was thinking
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11:21<jamess>wan0 set to (example ip's), gw .1
11:22<jamess>lan0 (per say) set to, nw .9, bc .15
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11:22<jamess>client on lan0 set to, gw .10, nw .9, bc .15
11:23<jamess>err shift those down one
11:23<jamess>starting at 8 instead of 9
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11:23<Rajohan>any good ftp clients for debian?
11:24<twb>Rajohan: ftp
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11:24<deepak>Rajohan, gftp
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11:24<fxiny>ncftp (leet)
11:25<fxiny>anything with nc on it is leet
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11:26<twb>netcat is the only one that springs to mind.
11:26<fxiny>i don't know why they call it "ncftp" :P
11:26<twb>"noobs can't"
11:26<test>what's the right way of preventing dhclient3 from updating /etc/resolve.conf
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11:27<twb>Asking it nicely
11:28<Rajohan>configure: error: gFTP needs GLIB 1.2.3 or higher
11:28<Rajohan>this means?
11:28<deepak>Rajohan, yes
11:28<twb>Rajohan: are you using aptitude to install gftp?
11:28<deepak>twb, i think apt
11:28<twb>Then you are silly.
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11:29<Rajohan>im typing make
11:29<twb>test: I can't see it in dhclient.
11:29<twb>Rajohan: do NOT do that
11:29<Rajohan>no ./configure
11:29<twb>Rajohan: use aptitude.
11:29<deepak>Rajohan, or use apt
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11:31<Rajohan> aptitude install gftp-2.0.18.tar.gz <-- wont work
11:32<alex_> # LOL WINDOWS
11:32<twb>Rajohan: do not try to use tarballs
11:32<twb>Rajohan: aptitude install gftp
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11:32<Rajohan>works :)
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11:35<fxiny>alex_: 18770 characters ? 30689 passwords ? are they using the kaballa ?
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11:37<fxiny>where's kinus today ?
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11:38<Nut>is this ubuntu?
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11:38<Nene_Acido>·.¸¸.·´¯`> hola
11:38<fxiny>no way
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11:42<alex_>Your password must be at least 18770 characters and cannot repeat any of your previous 30689 passwords. Please type a different password. Type a password that meets these requirements in both text boxes.
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11:45<M_Durant>small question: wich ssh-packet (server) is the most secure one? ssh, ssh2, opensh?
11:45<alex_>all depends on the cyrpto too
11:45<alex_>but, ssh2 default is enough
11:45<M_Durant>thanks, i'll use that then
11:45<alex_>unless your fucking nasa hiding ufo secrets
11:46<alex_>M_Durant, np :)
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11:47<maxdoubt>you'll need more than ssh for to protect yourself against my quantum computer, bwahaha
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11:48<alex_>ill iptables ban you
11:48<alex_>cant do shit if you cant get to me :)
11:48<maxdoubt>yeah, well... maintaining absolute zero is harder than i imagined
11:49<alex_>ok, hometime for me
11:49<alex_>cya tomorrow :)
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11:57<asd>hola alguien habla español?
11:57<faw>asd, si, pero hablamos inglés por aca, intenta #debian-es
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12:15<malin>I have got gnu/linux debian on my system, and cant get my dlink usb wifi adapter to work
12:16<malin>is there a way to fix this?
12:16<petemc>which guide did you follow?
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12:16<malin>I have not tested anything yet, I cant find drivers for the adapter.
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12:17<freerad>hello, everybody, I need help with debian - gcc, may I ?
12:17<petemc>plug the device in, look in dmesg or /var/log/messages , google for the info you find in there
12:18<malin>thanks petemc I'll try that one.
12:19<witte>!tell freerad about ask
12:19<freerad>Thers is a package (not source package, real .deb) called gcc-4.2-source,
12:19<freerad>it seems to be a package for custom build of gcc (like linux-source)
12:20<freerad>but I can't find out how to build from it...
12:20<freerad>is someone famialiar with it ?
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12:22<witte>freerad: i have no experience with it, but is there no README or something similar in it
12:22<freerad>I searched for iot in debian-gcc forum, no info
12:23<freerad>the README only contains a list of patches
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12:23<freerad>which are in the package
12:23<freerad>of cource I can build with apt-build or dpkg-buildpackage
12:24<freerad>but using a package of sources seems to better if I want to customize the build
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12:25<freerad>which I do....
12:26<freerad>none ? well, thanks anyway fro beeing here to help :)
12:26<malin>pete, I cant get any good info out, you know anything about uhci_hcd?
12:26<witte>freerad: sorry, can't help, maybe come back later and ask again when someone more knowledgeable is here
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12:27<freerad>thanks, witte, don't be sorry...
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12:44<Th|sD|cK>how to get root permission on kde?!
12:46<witte>Th|sD|cK: sudo?
12:46<Rajohan>how can i install tcl?
12:48<Th|sD|cK>no...sudo by console
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12:48<matth__>Rajohan: aptitude install tcl8.4
12:48<matth__>or whatever version is available via apt-cache search ^tcl
12:49<Th|sD|cK>with konqueror on kde inteface
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12:49<witte>Th|sD|cK: sudo works in kde as well, do sudo konqueror
12:49<chant>After upgrading from etch to Lenny my X server is slow as hell
12:49<chant>anyone else notice this/
12:50<Th|sD|cK>it ask me password
12:50<Th|sD|cK>root password?
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12:50<witte>Th|sD|cK: probably it is your root password yes
12:51<witte>Th|sD|cK: i think the program issued is gksu
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12:51<matth__>nah, sudo asks for your user password, that's where all the magic is.
12:52<matth__>but you need to be granted in the sudoers file
12:52<witte>matth__: yes, sudo does, but if he is in kde, the program there could ask for the root password, as it is gksu that is called
12:52<witte>matth__: that is why i said sudo innitially
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12:53<matth__>(whatever, I thought Th|sD|cK spoke about sudo)
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12:54<witte>matth__: i am not sure what he is talking about :-)
12:54<Th|sD|cK>i don't have permission write on kde
12:54[~]fxiny wakes up
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12:57<fxiny>type su in a konsole and type su , run mount, man mount , man su , man sudo :)
12:57<matth__>pmount is a nicer way to mount stuff whitout needing a root shell
12:58<matth__>just need to be part of the plugdev group IIRC (that should be default in debian I guess)
12:58<Th|sD|cK>i have write permission in console
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12:58<Th|sD|cK>but i can't make evrything by console
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13:00<alkaloida>i have a problem
13:00<alkaloida>checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
13:00<alkaloida>*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
13:00<alkaloida>*** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
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13:01<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: gnome automagically opens a nautilus windows when you mount a partition/device , check gnome-volume-manager and see how you can run it on kde , i think you can
13:01<alkaloida>what is the problem above?
13:01<alkaloida>debian don't see GLIB
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13:02<fxiny>but stil you have to write/talk to your shell
13:02<witte>alkaloida: did you install libglib2.0-0
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13:03<alkaloida>i have installed it!!!
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13:03<alkaloida>default libglib also 2.0.0
13:03<witte>alkaloida: the program you tried to install is a non debian program or so?
13:04<alkaloida>i installed newer version but don't see it
13:04<alkaloida>i compiled manual
13:04<alkaloida>from source
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13:04<alkaloida>i try default version as well
13:05<alkaloida>"set your
13:05<alkaloida>*** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable
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13:05<alkaloida>no environment variable
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13:27<malin>I am terribly new to linux, thinking about change to ubuntu, is that a good idea for a newbie?
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13:28<alkaloida>ok, how can I uninstalled 1of2 libglib version?
13:28<malin>using debian now that is.
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13:29<pumpkin0>ubuntu and debian are 2 totally different things. asking the debian-channel about ubunut is a bit off...
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13:31<malin>I have heard that debian and ubuntu is much alike
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13:31<pumpkin0>malin: i would start with a live-CD. These are bootable CDs which let you test linux w/o installing.
13:32<pumpkin0>malin: ubuntu and debian are like ford and opel. Both build cars, both belong to the same group. But they are not the same.
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13:32<malin>I use GNU/Linux Debian right now pumpkin, and I am not totally dumb, but I find many things too hard.
13:34<ifvoid>like what?
13:34<ifvoid>in any case, Debian might not be the best distribution for you if you're just starting with linux
13:35<pumpkin0>malin: linux takes a while to get used to. ubuntu will try hard to autoconfigure most things. That works for a lot of people but not all. Also: debian is more about server, stable system and no eyecandy then ubuntu.
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13:38<malin>thanks. =)
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13:52<pumpkin0>what is the "best" fileserver protocol for a low-low end system? sshfs (can i switch off the encrypting?), NFS or samba? Debian-only network, no access from the outside, 1-2 clients, 100Mbit Ethernet.
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14:09<arato>is there a way when using LOCATE to get the executable file? For example, I want to find out what dir my mysql is in but not any of the manual dir's, etc
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14:10<witte>arato: whereis mysql
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14:11<witte>arato: but then you get the manual directions as well :-)
14:11<arato>witte, Okay, thanks. Lol, it is a lot less fluffy than locate :P I appreciate your help
14:11<witte>arato: which mysql is better
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14:12<witte>which mysql
14:12<stew>arato: or "locate bin/mysql"
14:13<witte>it gives the direct path
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14:13<seanp2k>hey guise! I just got a new etch install up and running but how do I get my madwifi-ng drivers back?
14:13<arato>stew, witte thanks a bunch :)
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14:14<dpkg>bootsplash is, like, && (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot
14:14<stew>kinus: please /msg the bot
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14:17<jovans>FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol so what can i do to install the nvidia driver?
14:18<pumpkin0>jovans: which kernel ?
14:19<jovans>this is current i think in lenny and sid
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14:21<seanp2k>how do i find out which kernel version I have and how do I download the source for it?
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14:30<darkon>could anyone help me with a problem im having please?
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14:31<limcore>Whats the best way to override mysql root password when I have root on box but dont know current root mysql?
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14:33<version2>I have ssh installed so that I can sftp into my server. How can I create an set an account that has permissions to have *almost* root permissions in the /var/www/ directory only?
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14:34<kinus>hey, sorry for stupid question, but how do i add make-kpkg command ?
14:34<E0x>what ?
14:34<Myon>version2: make /var/www owned by that user
14:34<UnKnowN>When I try executing any of my sh files, I get 'Syntax error: "(" unexpected'
14:34<Myon>install "kernel-package"
14:35<limcore>kinus: install that program?
14:35<UnKnowN>What do I need to paste?
14:35<version2>Myon: I'm not sure how to do that? Would something like chown myuser:users /var/www/ work?
14:35<Myon>UnKnowN: *not* the sh script
14:35<UnKnowN>i know :P
14:35<UnKnowN>But what kind of thing would cause it to do such things all of a sudden.
14:36<Myon>I think you pressed the ( key
14:36<Myon>UnKnowN: you definitely need to give more details if you want useful answers
14:36<UnKnowN>I'll paste the script online ;)
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14:40<Myon>the error could be anywhere before
14:40<UnKnowN>it could?
14:41<UnKnowN>But there just comments ;)
14:41<Myon>does it say a line number?
14:41<Myon>try sh -x
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14:41<UnKnowN>yea line 72
14:41<UnKnowN>that was the funciton message_status past
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14:43<UnKnowN>That's a typical error when you're missing /dev/null. Try restarting udev.
14:43<UnKnowN>I think thats it ;)
14:43<Myon>a syntax error?!
14:44[~]UnKnowN slaps himself for not typing MAKEDEV
14:44<version2>Myon: When I create directories, is there a way to change the default permissions of this newly-created directory?
14:44<version2>*I'm in sftp
14:44<UnKnowN>oh wait
14:44<UnKnowN>that cant be :S there is a /dev/null
14:44<Myon>version2: umask
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14:45<UnKnowN>Myon, have any ideas what could cause those syntax errors?
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14:47<version2>Myon: What's a good default (and secure) permissions # for directories? Is 775 okay?
14:48<thomasbl>750 is better
14:48<UnKnowN>< personally likes 700
14:49<thomasbl>and umask 077
14:49<thomasbl>erm umask 026
14:49<version2>no owner permissions?
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14:50<frank>thomasbl: 026? 027
14:50<thomasbl>0026 i mean ;)
14:51<frank>so execute/change bot not read, what's the sense in that
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14:52<UnKnowN>-[Myon]- I'm trying to use the driverinstall file for installing sk98lin
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14:52<thomasbl>this is the result frank : drwx--S---
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14:53[~]version2 confused.
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14:54<version2>umask 0036 won't work for my needs.
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15:00<UnKnowN>oh well that worked :S
15:00<UnKnowN>i can use bash instead of sh
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15:01<Maulkin>erm... hi
15:01<Guest716>my x server is behaving wrong...
15:01<Guest716>i use xorg 7.1 / fluxbox
15:02<Guest716>all was well until today, when i maximize a window it goes over the screen limit and the restore/minimize/maxiimze buttons disapear
15:02<UnKnowN>so what is the most intelligent way of adding a module to my kernel
15:02<thomasbl>and what says .xsession-erros
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15:02<Guest716>i isolated the problem to the x server, as i tried maximizing windows with various window managers
15:03<Guest716>seems like the Xorg 7.1 has some major bugs
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15:03<Guest716>+ all my fonts are jagged and brushed with shit suddenly , out of nowhere
15:04<Guest716>like termites started eating fonts away
15:04<thomasbl>hrhr, seems to be a default configure after upgrading...
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15:04<thomasbl>*default configure settings
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15:05<Guest716>when will Xorg evolve enough into having some mature normal-looking fonts ?
15:05<Guest716>i guess not this century
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15:06<thomasbl>do you need a xfs server?
15:06<thomasbl>and enough fonts
15:06<version2>What's the recursive command to remove a directory (and remove files within it)?
15:06<thomasbl>and everything works
15:06<Guest716>doesnt xorg manage fonts by itself without xfs ?
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15:06<thomasbl>version2: rm -rf /
15:06<Guest716>xfs used to be used on older x server releases?
15:06<Maulkin>version2: man rm
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15:06<stew>version2: don't run the command from thomasbl
15:07<Maulkin>version2: namely, "rm -r"
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15:07<version2>I can't get out of man... I hate that.
15:07<Maulkin>version2: "q"
15:07<lupine>it's your friend
15:07<Guest716>anyone has a idea of how to fix the window maximizing bug ? what could make it dissapear as a extreme solution ? if i remove xserver and reinstall it ?
15:07<UnKnowN>hey stew
15:07<Guest716>i dont care for the fonts that much if at least maximizing will work
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15:08<Maulkin>Guest716: are you running on a normal monitor?
15:08<pumpkin0>version2: if all else fails: start a second terminal and run "killall <name-of-prog"
15:08<Maulkin>Guest716: I'd suggest checking your screen resolution
15:08<esaym>is there a way to configure what cipher fish in konqueror uses?
15:08<esaym>It seems to ignore ~/.ssh/conf
15:08<Guest716>Maulkin : nice try.. yes im running on a very normal monitor .. 15" Dell TFT at 1024x768 always been running at thsi resolution
15:09<Maulkin>esaym: try #debian-kde
15:09<Maulkin>Guest716: And you're sure X is running at 1024x768? :)
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15:09<Guest716>btw how do i check current used resolution of X from command line.. the xorg.conf file doesnt allow more than 1024sx768 anyway
15:09<lupine>dpi changed?
15:09<esaym>Yea, not too many people in debian-kde :-/
15:09<Guest716>the fluxbox bottom bar taskbar thing is a bit uncenterd too
15:09<Guest716>its too much to the right
15:09<Maulkin>xdpyinfo should tell you
15:09<Guest716>i dont use virtual resolutions
15:09<Guest716>ok i'll checj
15:10<Maulkin>Guest716: sounds like it's running at a bogus resolution
15:10<Guest716>i use i810 maybe because of this shitty videocard and shitty xorg driver is causing so much problems for me maybe including sudden fonts problem ?
15:10<Guest716>fonts rendering problem
15:11<Maulkin>Guest716: I've found i810 to be quite good actually...
15:11<Maulkin>Guest716: what sort of problems are you having with fonts?
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15:11<Guest716>Maulkin, all was fine no problem until today when i came home from work and i opened my monitor for my daily debian fun i found fonts to be a nightmare
15:11<Guest716>all was eaten by termites
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15:12<Maulkin>Guest716: hrm. You're not running auto-updates at all are you?
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15:12<Maulkin>(eaten is correct btw :P)
15:12<Guest716>umm no i dont have the update manager thing installed i think
15:12<Guest716>whats the name of the package
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15:12<Maulkin>Guest716: or cron-apt I think
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15:12<Guest716>do u think updating the shit will get rid of this madness ?
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15:13<Guest716>font stuff problem
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15:13<Maulkin>It may do..
15:13<Maulkin>just checking
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15:13<Guest716>its the default xorg fonts afterall, i didnt install/change anything at all
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15:13<Guest716>my system has a pretty basic config
15:13<Maulkin>!xorg font
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15:14<Guest716>btw im registered linux user number 450001
15:14<Guest716>nice number
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15:16<Guest716>xdpyinfo says my resolution is 1024x768 (in screen dimmensions)
15:16<Guest716>screen 0
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15:16<Guest716>i guess the X server is totally fucked
15:16<Maulkin>Guest716: I'm guessing you've tried restarting X?
15:17<Guest716>not only restarting X, even rebooting PC
15:17<Guest716>same fonts and window maximizing problem
15:17<Maulkin>Guest716: Try changing the resolution to something lower and back again
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15:17<Maulkin>It sounds like a resolution issue to me
15:17<Guest716>k 800x600
15:17<Guest716>but if it works at that resolution i'll not be happy u know
15:18<Maulkin>Hence changing it back :)
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15:18<UnKnowN>Guest716 you being happy isn't our job
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15:19<roland_>it all works now and font problem is gone at 800x600
15:20<roland_>maximizing works too
15:20<Maulkin>roland_: ok... now try changing to 1024x768
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15:20<Maulkin>roland_: within your...
15:20<Maulkin>too late
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15:21<roland_>now its fucked again, and fonts are ugly and maximizing doesnt work
15:21<roland_>only works fine at 800x600
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15:21<roland_>and all this started suddenly out of today
15:21<roland_>before all worked great
15:21<roland_>no changes
15:21<Maulkin>Have you tried changing it within your window manager (rather than logging out and in again)?
15:21<roland_>Xorg just decided by itself to behave wrong
15:21<Maulkin>roland_: now that's just wrong :)
15:22<Maulkin>roland_: things don't just 'stop working' by themselves
15:22<roland_>they sometimes do, when using linux
15:22<roland_>linux is unpredictable
15:22<roland_>by nature
15:22<roland_>as all open source
15:22<Maulkin>That's also wrong
15:23<UnKnowN>I learned that months ago, that saying that is wrong
15:23<Maulkin>roland_: *something* has changed. Working out what will be the interesting bit :)
15:23<pumpkin0>roland_: OK, so what did you upgrade/update ?
15:23<UnKnowN>unless you choose to use unstable then your asking for whats in the description
15:23<roland_>after years of using linux, i recently had enough bad days with it on 3 different PCs using different distribution and each of them having various problems, as i concluded that each new releease of a distro brings more problems thaan it resolves
15:24<roland_>Maulkin sure i'll cooperate just tell me what should i check
15:24<Maulkin>roland_: so you upgraded recently then?
15:24<roland_>i didnt upgrade , i installed etch 4.0 fresh from netinst
15:24<henri>can i chande the stable version of debian to unstable?
15:24<dpkg>unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq.
15:25<Maulkin>!tell roland_ about drxx
15:25<Maulkin>roland_: try what dpkg just told you
15:25<roland_>sure i'll reconfigure the xserver.. but it wont resolve anything.. i'll report back
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15:26<seanp2k>hello, I'm trying to get a RTL8187 based USB wifi adapter working (alfa networks). I have the drivers from the maf. but it gives me the following error while trying to build them: "/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build: No such file or directory"
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15:27<seanp2k>the line preceding that states "make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build M=/home/likwid/Desktop/rtl8187B_linux_24.6.1021.0212.2007/ieee80211 CC=gcc modules
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15:28<roland_>ok, i reconfigured the x and same problem
15:28<roland_>i also disabled dri
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15:29<roland_>oh man.. we're running out of options aren't we
15:29<roland_>diagnosis : unknown
15:29<Maulkin>roland_: What make and model of monitor do you have?
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15:30<roland_>Dell 15" TFT ..
15:30<roland_>works great
15:30<Maulkin>roland_: model?
15:31<Maulkin>roland_: could you pastebin your xdpyinfo somewhere?
15:31<roland_>if you tell me how do i copy output from eterm
15:32<Maulkin>roland_: xdpyinfo > file.txt
15:32<roland_>ah ok
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15:32<Maulkin>Or hightlight to select, middle click to paste
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15:33<Maulkin>roland_: your /etc/X11/xorg.conf may be useful too
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15:35<roland_>all is there
15:36<roland_>i tell you , you dont wanna ever know how the fonts look in iceweasel :)
15:36<roland_>they arent even fonts
15:36<roland_>just small gremlins
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15:37<Maulkin>roland_: you seem to be running at 100dpi...
15:37<roland_>so ? who changed it ?
15:37<roland_>i didnt
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15:37<roland_>whats wrong with 100dpi
15:37<mjk>roland_: It might not match your actual pixel density.
15:38<roland_>24 bit ?
15:38<mjk>roland_: dpi = dots per inch
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15:38<roland_>so the monitor might not support that well ?
15:39<Maulkin>Under your "Monitor" section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add:
15:39<Maulkin> Option "DPI" "96 x 96"
15:39<pumpkin0>roland_: fonts, images and several other things use the dpi to render things. Right now they all thing you have a 60" monitor...
15:39<Maulkin>if that doesn't work, use:
15:39<Maulkin> Option "DPI" "60 x 60"
15:39<roland_>lol 60 " would be great
15:40<Maulkin>That may help
15:40<mjk>roland_: And in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, remove "-dpi 100" from the line "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -br"
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15:42<roland_>ok done, restarting X
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15:42<mjk>. o O (We should tell him about "screen")
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15:42<roland_>same problem
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15:42<roland_>except xchat just crashed
15:42<jMCg>mjk: he uses xchat.
15:42<mjk>jMCg: Oh.
15:43<Maulkin>"xdpyinfo | grep dots" ?
15:43<roland_>resolution output from xdpyinfo : 86x84 dots per inch
15:43<Maulkin>try the 60 x 60 line
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15:44<mjk>roland_: Is your display size set correctly? In section "Monitor", you should have "DisplaySize <width in mm> <height in mm>".
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15:45<roland_>yeah i've choosen 15" in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:45<roland_>brb i changed dpi to 60x60 restarting X
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15:47<roland_>haha, my xserver is really screwed now
15:47<roland_>the i810 driver freaked out
15:48<Maulkin>roland_: are you running gnome or something?
15:48<roland_>freex: I810: unknown reason for exception EE: I810 : cannot continue
15:48<Maulkin>roland_: you can change this without restarting X
15:48<roland_>VBE initialization failed
15:48<roland_>im not running Des
15:48<roland_>im running wm fluxbox
15:49<Maulkin>right. Not sure how to do it in fluxbox
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15:49<roland_>i just wish the guys at Xorg would fix they breakage and not let it fall on the end users
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15:50<roland_>the driver is dead now
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15:51<roland_>at least the console works...
15:51<mjk>roland_: What else could you wish for? ;-)
15:52<roland_>umm i'll have to get along with linux and its various headaches until i get the money to buy my mac
15:52<roland_>and then i'll throw it in the garbage
15:52<roland_>kidding.. i'll just not use any more desktop linux
15:52<roland_>too much bugs for me
15:53<roland_>didnt find a stable distro so far
15:53<mjk>roland_: Debian works perfectly here. :-) With a Matrox G450 (i.e. nearly no 3D).
15:53<roland_>good for you
15:53<roland_>im living in another world unfortunately
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15:53<mjk>roland_: But I just bought new parts yesterday and today, and will share your fun soon maybe. |-)
15:53<roland_>in my world, not linux, but its applications break
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15:54<mjk>roland_: Which applications particularly?
15:54<roland_>i will never say that i had problems with the linux kernel or gnu userland if i didnt have
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15:54<roland_>i just hate X/KDE/GNOME whatever
15:54<roland_>KDE 3.5.7 / slackware oh man i just cant stand it
15:54<roland_>i want to shoot my computer
15:54<mjk>roland_: Hm, don't have (and hate) Gnome/KDE, but X11 works more or less.
15:55<roland_>somehow this pc doesnt run linux great
15:55<roland_>probably the i810 is part of the problem
15:55<roland_>but i cant say linux runs great either on the desktop at my workplace
15:56<roland_>cause it doesnt
15:56<mjk>roland_: Hm, I /think/ I set up an i810 box a few months ago -- including 3D, and everything worked flawlessly.
15:56<roland_>firefox crashes every 10 minutes on each pc i run it
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15:56<mjk>roland_: Oh wow ...
15:56<mjk>roland_: Sure it's not broken hardware?
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15:56<roland_>each day while i listen to virgin radio while doing my workout it stops streaming after about 10 minutes and then in another 10 minutes firefox crahes
15:56<roland_>iceweasel sorry
15:57<roland_>theres no day when iceweasel doesnt act retarded on my pc
15:57<mjk>roland_: Wow ... maybe it's really the hardware. Already ran memtest86+?
15:57<roland_>i also considered , from my usage and experience, that firefox runs better on windows than on linux dunno why
15:57<roland_>i will run memtest
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15:58<mjk>roland_: Iceweasel /very/ rarely crashes.
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15:58<roland_>at me it crashes a lot when it sees adobe flash
15:58<roland_>not good friends
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15:58<mjk>roland_: But I don't use JavaScript/Flash etc. regularly; I have set up an extra user with a fully-fledged iceweasel for that.
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15:58<roland_>i personally cant live on the web without flash
15:58<roland_>cant imagine
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15:59<roland_>flash is part of my life heh
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15:59<roland_>im sad now that i cant use X anymore
16:00<mjk>roland_: Then do the same you would do with a Windows box: reboot. ;-}
16:00<roland_>that doesnt fix it
16:00<roland_>i'll remove my xorg.conf
16:00<roland_>and reconfigure
16:01<roland_>but i phear that i will get into the font/maximizing bugs again
16:01<roland_>weirdly, this only happens in debian
16:01<mjk>roland_: is the font issue only Iceweasel related?
16:01<roland_>no no n
16:02<roland_>actually in iceweasel the fonts look the worst they could look
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16:02<roland_>its the most affected app
16:02<roland_>makes u run away
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16:03<muh2000>i installed phpldapadmin but apache2 says 404 :( link is serverip/phpldapadmin
16:03<phil-j>I have a low frame rate in YouTube videos. I am using Debian 3.1 from DVD media, Mozilla SeaMonkey 1.1.1 compiled from CVS, Shockwave Flash 7.0r63. My graphics card is a Matrox MGA 1064SG [Mystique]. I have 6 megabit broadband through a 4-port router. I have a spare Windows 98 box where I have installed Mozilla SeaMonkey 1.1.2 and Flash 9.0r45 and there the frame rate in YouTube is great. What can I do, please?
16:03<mjk>roland_: Hm. For me, setting "DisplaySize" in xorg.conf and removing "-dpi 100" in xserverrc was nearly all I had to do. The last thing to configure was something with "dpi" in its name in about:config. Already forgot it.
16:04<mjk>phil-j: Maybe a backported Seamonkey is better than the one in CVS?
16:04<mjk>phil-j: (if such a thing exists)
16:04<pumpkin0>roland_: did you check if the fonts-system is setup correctly ?
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16:05<phil-j>mjk, I was wondering if it is a combination of my graphics card, X server and Shockwave Flash browser plugin.
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16:06<mjk>phil-j: Btw.: for YouTube, you could use "youtube-dl": aptitude install -PDZ youtube-dl.
16:06<mjk>phil-j: With it, you can download the video and play it with vlc or with "mplayer -correct-pts"
16:06<roland_>pumpkin0 i dont have time now, its late and i gotta sleep :) dont have time and mood to bother anymore with something that broke without my interaction
16:07<roland_>i might continue investigating tommorow
16:07<mjk>phil-j: If the downloaded video is still slow with mplayer/vlc etc., then it's not Flash/Iceweasel's fault.
16:07<pumpkin0>roland_: the fonts usually break if people modified the config, then upgrade xorg from 7.0 to something else.
16:08<roland_>pumpkin0 : none of those situations are my case
16:08<roland_>i did a fresh install, simply installed xorg and fluxbox and there
16:08<pumpkin0>roland_: linux does not change w/o user permission.
16:08<roland_>ok then someone hacked my box and instead of deleting my files or doing anything serious, he changed my xorg configs
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16:09<roland_>i will fix this shit tommorow
16:10<roland_>i dont want to reinstall anything
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16:16<flashbak>Does anyone use Edgy and xawtv4 that wouldn't mind offering some advice reguarding an mpeg ts error?
16:16<formorer>this is not #ubuntu
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16:17<witte>the firefox extensions do not work with iceweasel. Has someone an idea how to get them working?
16:18<formorer>this is not true
16:18<formorer>at least not generally
16:18<witte>ok, could be
16:18<witte>btw: s/iceweasel/icedove/
16:19<witte>typing error :$
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16:19<witte>and of course thunderbird instead of firefox
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16:20<formorer>I have icedove and iceweasel with normal thunderbird/firefox exts
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16:23<witte>ok, but if i have an extension that i want to use, and that says "Remove Duplicate messages 0.1.02 could not be installed because it is not compatible with Iceweasel"
16:23<witte>what should i do then :-)
16:23<seanp2k>i'm trying to build madwifi but it's giving me this: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop.
16:23<seanp2k>i have the linux sources in /usr/src
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16:25<cahoot>seanp2k, using module assistant?
16:25<witte>!tell seanp2k about madwifi-install
16:26<witte>seanp2k: sorry about the personal message, I misused the bot
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16:27<Myon> imho !tell is perfectly fine
16:28<seanp2k>yeah i prefer it so it doesn't flood the chan
16:28<seanp2k>thanks guys
16:28<witte>Myon: yes, but that was my second attempt, i first did a /msg seanp2k about...
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16:30<phil-j>mjk: Yes, thanks. I have a large MPEG video file with resolution 727x563 pixels. When played in noatun the playback suffers from a 1/4 second pause every few seconds or so. If I shrink the video window to 262x174 pixels the jumping goes away. What gives?
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16:33<seanp2k>hmm my atheros card still isn't showing up under iwconfig but sit0 is with no wireless extensions
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16:34<formorer>seanp2k: which model?
16:34<seanp2k>09:04.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
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16:34<seanp2k>it's not an A card but that's what it showed up as in ubuntu as well before I made the switch to man's debian
16:35<formorer>interisting anything in dmesg?
16:36<seanp2k>just stuff from my other USB wireless i just installed
16:36<formorer>ath_pci and so on is loaded?
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16:37<seanp2k>hmm how do i check
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16:37<formorer>seanp2k: lsmod
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16:37<seanp2k>lsmod |grep ath yeilds nothing
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16:38<muh2000>how can i remove a package completely that no files what so ever will remain?
16:38<formorer>then do a modprobe ath_pci
16:38<formorer>muh2000: apt-get --purge remove <package>
16:39<noname001>dpk --purge name of the package :)
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16:39<seanp2k>formorer: now how do i remove the device "sit0"'s not real hardware but it shows up in iwconfig and ifconfig
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16:40<formorer>it should be connected to the ipv6 kernel module if I recall correctly
16:40<formorer>just unload ipv6
16:40<seanp2k>no idea how to do that
16:41<formorer>rmmod ipv6 may work, but google is also your friend :)
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16:42<seanp2k>now to get aircrack going *evil*
16:42<ctatuk>Is there a shell built-in that's an alias to `echo -n`?
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16:45<muh2000>LDAP meldet: Undefined attribute type Fehlernummer: 0x11 (LDAP_UNDEFINED_TYPE) what could be the error ?
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16:46<ctatuk>k, rpintf
16:46<ctatuk>*k, printf
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17:19<ele_notebook>made this for the debian people :=)
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17:25<lupine>got it in 1280x1024? ;)
17:26<lupine>would be funny to put it as the desktop of my QEMU WinXP instance
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17:35<Mauna_Loa>hi. I'm running debian lenny. anyome knows if fast-user-switch-applet is broken? when I try to switch to another user nothing happens
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17:37<acritchlow>hi, can anyone tell me what SELinux is?
17:37<pumpkin0>acritchlow: SE tries to lock down linux very tight. It should prevent a lot of buffer related problems.
17:38<acritchlow>so what exactly can you use it for?
17:39<pumpkin0>acritchlow: usually ? shotting yourself in the foot. It is a bugger to configure.
17:39<acritchlow>hehe, do you have an example of what it may be used for?
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17:40<pumpkin0>acritchlow: i found use it to secure a server. That way anybody breaking in could not even start a shell w/o triggering alarms.
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17:40<pumpkin0>acritchlow: this is the starting point if you really want to use it:
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17:41<acritchlow>is there a config file example anywhere?
17:42<pumpkin0>acritchlow: there is a default-file somewhere in debian stock install. It does not lock anything.
17:43<acritchlow>how do I install a typical selinux install as there isnt a package just called selinux?
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17:44<pumpkin0>selinux is not a package that "just works". It's part of the kernel (by default). read the NSA-page, it's a good starting point. bye
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17:46<acritchlow>okey dokey cheers
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17:54<locsmif>Hi, is there somebody who can comment on the DFSG compatibility of GPLv3? Is this going to be made official at some point or is this not necessary?
17:55<DeepDayze>that's a very rhetorical question
17:55<DeepDayze>i am sure the powers that be of Debian are kicking that issue around
17:56<DeepDayze>gpl3's scaring microsoft for damned sure
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17:56<DeepDayze>and i bet gpl3 will start making vendors play nice
17:57<DeepDayze>Linux is a force to be reckoned with IMO
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17:58<DeepDayze>how do you get flash 9 working with konqueror?
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18:01<locsmif>hi DeepDayze
18:02<witte>DeepDayze: it works in iceweasel?
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18:03<tao4mike>evening all!
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18:04<dpkg>hello, witte
18:04<witte>ok, should be hello tao4mike
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18:07<tao4mike>been using debian for abotu 2 days now (came from ubuntu) love it so just "feels" stable :) however I have just encountered an ethical delima...wondering if there is any input? Just finally got everything tweaked a bit and wanted to install my fav browser...firefox, but ended up with somethign called iceweasel. Having read a bit I see there is some trademark issues. what is everyone elses solution. I really want to do my bes
18:07<tao4mike>a fundamentalist, but I really do not want to encounter problems in the future or have to get used to yet another piece of software...suggestions?
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18:09<witte>tao4mike: iceweasel is basically firefox with some *minor* patches for debian (especially security patches for older versions in the stable release), the firefox license just stated that no patches could be made
18:09<witte>tao4mike: just use iceweasel,and think it is firefox ;-)
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18:10<tao4mike>:) will my extensions and such work withotu a hitch? is there a similar problem with thunderbird? as I use that for email?
18:10<lupine>i thought it was binary-identical, except the icon?
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18:11<miksuh>tao4mike: extensions should works just fine
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18:12<witte>miksuh: in principle :-)
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18:14<miksuh>atleast i have not had any problems
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18:14<tao4mike>great :)
18:14<witte>I had to download an extension, and install it manually...
18:15<witte>tao4mike: and for thunderbird, there is icedove
18:16<tao4mike>oh well can't win them all ey? :)
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18:38<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
18:38<kknoppixgeg>i not speack encglish
18:38<kknoppixgeg>i italian
18:38<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
18:39<streuner>if you reach for help for Knoppix just /j #knoppix (
18:39<kknoppixgeg>tank you dpkg
18:39<streuner>dpkg is a bot
18:39<streuner>dpkg, what are you?
18:39<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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18:41<streuner>hm, using windows irc-client
18:41<streuner>interesting ;-)
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18:46<kknoppixgeg>mi serve aiuto sul sistema operativo Linux Knoppix
18:46<kknoppixgeg>chi sa darmi una mano?
18:46<witte>kknoppixgeg: english only here, and debian only,
18:47<kknoppixgeg>no i am speack italian
18:47<kknoppixgeg>i no english
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18:47<witte>and we don't speak italian...
18:47<kknoppixgeg>parlo italiano
18:47<kknoppixgeg>non inglese
18:48<frank>non parlo italiano
18:48<egon_spengler>kknoppixgeg: no capisco italiano
18:48<kknoppixgeg>tu riesci a spiegarmi una cosa su knoppix in italiano?
18:48<kknoppixgeg>se ti parlo inglese riesci a parlare italiano almeno capisco'
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18:51<miksuh>kknoppixgeg: english
18:52<streuner>We told him serveral times
18:52<kknoppixgeg>egon_spengler my problem is in order to install the programs on system knoppix, would know to help me?
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18:52<streuner>kknoppixgeg: we told you before
18:53<streuner>Whats so hard to unterstand that?
18:53<kknoppixgeg>mikush they are Italian but me the cavicchio in English, but many words I do not know to them
18:53<locsmif>kknoppixgeg, /part
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18:53<streuner>wb(r) abrotman ;-)
18:54<locsmif>We don't speak better Italian then #knoppix, so not even that is a reason to come to the wrong channel
18:54<abrotman>english isn't so hot either ...
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18:56<streuner>abrotman on dialup?
18:57<locsmif>oh, and Italians need better education
18:57<abrotman>you used 'then'
18:57<locsmif>Because they're good contributors and we need to speak English with us
18:58<locsmif>abrotman, typo caused by fast typing, which was immediately corrected.
18:58<locsmif>And i'm not a native speaker either.
18:58<abrotman>sure ...
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18:59<locsmif>Italians don't have trouble with spelling though, some have problems getting support because they need Italian support channels :(
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19:00<locsmif>That's worse than a few spelling errors.
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19:34<dpkg><Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ?
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19:39<mfrisch>how do you stop the kde automounter from locking out other users from umounting the cd
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19:41<guillaume>aptitude is frozen by libc6-i386_2.6-2_amd64.deb under lenny what's the solution ?
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19:48<mfrisch>guillaume: paste it somewhere
19:49<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
19:49<mfrisch>guillaume: why do you need it?
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19:54<sfm|sholva>hey every body someone online ?
19:54<mfrisch>not even us
19:55<sfm|sholva>can someone help me a little bit with a firefox / iceweasel problem ?
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19:57<DeepDayze>iceweasel's such as weasel
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19:58<sfm|sholva>hehe i mean the webbrowser not the pet *g*
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20:17<mfrisch>sfmsholva yeah whats wrong
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20:21<sfm|sholva>ok ähm
20:22<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: from norway?
20:22<sfm|sholva>i have multi screen and if i open the firefox at the right or left screen i cant open it again on the other screen it tells me that firefox is already running but he cant open a new window but i think i had this after i installed firefox
20:22<sfm|sholva>no german
20:23<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: aah. strange problem..smoke break brb
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20:26<sfm|sholva>so for better understanding , if i have it opend at the left screen i cant open a new window at the right one, if i close the left one i can open it again to the left or right but only after it is opend in one of my monitors i cant open it at the other one
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20:26<lupine>mm, you can only have one firefox instance open a a time
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20:26<lupine>can you drag windows from one screen to the other?
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20:27<sfm|sholva>have 2 options
20:27<sfm|sholva>at my grafic settings
20:27<sfm|sholva>sperate X screen and twinView
20:27<sfm|sholva>now i have the first one
20:27<sfm|sholva>with twin view i can move the windows
20:28<sfm|sholva> but then if i want to maximize a programm it will open to the complete two monitors and this is what i dont want
20:29<lupine>mm... i tend to not use firefox. one sec
20:30<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: but you can open two on one monitor?
20:30<mfrisch>not good at dual monitors...weird
20:30<sfm|sholva>if i open at the right window FF i can open how often i will
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20:31<mfrisch>maybe the window manager?
20:31<sfm|sholva>de ? you mean german ? or what ? :P
20:31<mfrisch>desktop enviroment
20:31<lupine>tried using the --display= option?
20:32<sfm|sholva>how can i use this --display option ?
20:32<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: what do you use? gnome kde wmaker?
20:32<sfm|sholva>i'm new on linux :p
20:32<mfrisch>try just a window manager alone first
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20:33<lupine>in a shell: firefox --display=<display>
20:34<lupine>probably :0 and :1 respectively. Maybe :0.0 and :0.1 (or :0.1 and :0.2 ?)... I'm not sure
20:34<sfm|sholva>ok mom lupine i will try
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20:34<mfrisch>lupine: should work..but why can't it differentient the displays?
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20:34<lupine>no idea
20:35<lupine>you're telling me :D
20:35<sfm|sholva>how can i look which screen i use ?
20:35[~]lupine strokes konqueror
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20:36<sfm|sholva>because ff tells me at 0.0 0.1 1.0 that gtk cant open the display
20:36<lupine>opening a terminal and running "echo $DISPLAY" should do it
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20:36<mfrisch>lupine: konqueror rules except it is not compliant for some sites
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20:37<sfm|sholva>hmm crazy
20:37<lupine>mm, I've noticed a couple of sites break with it
20:37<sfm|sholva>i lookup my screen
20:37<sfm|sholva>#left :0.0 right :0.1
20:37<mfrisch>lupine: google for example...pretty big site
20:37<lupine>google works fine here
20:37<sfm|sholva>i started ff first at 0.1 it opend on right, than i tried 0.0 and it opened again at right
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20:38<mfrisch>lupine: goto gmail, stuff don't worky worky
20:38<lupine>gmail != google
20:38<lupine>also, gmail is crap :p
20:38<sfm|sholva>mfrisch what do you mean with "<mfrisch> try just a window manager alone first"
20:38<lupine>s/gmail/HTTP mail/
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20:39<mfrisch>lupine: it works for me. and other little stuff on google does not
20:39<lupine>IIRC, since it's 0:0 and 0:1, it's the same X server, different screens
20:39<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: uhm maybe try blackbox or windowmaker or something alone without not know if would help though
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20:40<sfm|sholva>hmm k
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20:40<sfm|sholva>i think i will try kde
20:40<sfm|sholva>but its not so user friendly like gnome
20:40<Corner>KDE works for the basics
20:40<mfrisch>no but you can change the wm for gnome I think if that is the problem
20:41<mfrisch>Corner: kde rocks!
20:41<Corner>mfrisch: It impresses people who know nothing about GNU/Linux
20:42<lupine>yay, DE wars!
20:42<sfm|sholva>i have currently installed gdm + kdm and also gnome + kde
20:42<mfrisch>Corner: no it is more complete than gnome and ALOT more stable.
20:42<sfm|sholva>but i think that is not really cool or ? :P
20:42<mfrisch>Corner: wm alone is alot to ask for a newbie
20:43<Corner>Well I'm a TOTAL newbie..
20:44<mfrisch>Corner: maybe. but it is personal prefference
20:44<mfrisch>Corner: X is X
20:44<Corner>wfrisch: Well thats true..
20:45<mfrisch>Corner: it is the extra stuff that messes it up
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20:45<mfrisch>so do updates go smoothly on etch lately?
20:45<lupine>different WMs might give the option to switch the window between screens or not. I don't know if kwin has that specific functionality though
20:46<lupine>still, at least it can differentiate between workspaces & viewports
20:46<Corner>mfrisch: Mhhmm I agree, I'm running knoppix right now, works GREAT! But when I tried to put debain on my other comp it worked, untill I tried to load more packages..
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20:47<mfrisch>Corner: it is not the number of packages it is what is running at once
20:47<mfrisch>Corner: my base "desktop" is 2500 packages
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20:48<Corner>mfrisch: Nice... Well then again my other comp is total crap.. a P4 with some wired Nvidea card.
20:48<mfrisch>Corner: mine is a worse sounds like a excuse ;-)
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20:49<Corner>mfrisch: You cought me :(
20:49<mfrisch>Corner: get it set up right ;-)
20:49<sfm|sholva>hm one last question where is the config file for the default display manger gdm kdm etc
20:50<lupine>they have different config files
20:50<Corner>mfrisch: I tried to do a lazy ass instal.. put the hdd in my good comp put it on there then move the hdd.. I guess that dosnt work..
20:50<mfrisch>Corner: why. a p4 should rock
20:50<lupine>/usr/share/xsessions is common though
20:50<Corner>mfrisch: my DVD drive is kinda buggered.. And I dont want to burn 21 CD's >.<
20:51<sfm|sholva>i dont mean this :P
20:51<sfm|sholva>i mean how i can configure which will be the default one
20:51<mfrisch>Corner: aah a netinstall?
20:51<joelfranco>someon have a good knowledge about the hal infraestructure respective to a ethernet device
20:51<mfrisch>dpkg-reconfigure gdm
20:51<sfm|sholva>i found something erlier but i dont refind it, there was only one line at the file
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20:52<Corner>mfrisch: Nope.. I just mounted the HDD from it in my good comp instaled from there..
20:52<sfm|sholva>there was written if i had gdm for default :gdm or kdm if i had kdm
20:52<joelfranco>hal should call the dhcp daemon?
20:52<joelfranco>on hotplug?
20:52<mfrisch>Corner: should just do a netinstall? waste of bandwiith?
20:53<sfm|sholva>ah i refound it , if anybody needs it : /etc/X11/default-display-manager :)
20:54<Corner>mfrisch: Its hard to do a netinstall when it's not plugged into my network >.< I still have to get the thing hooked up..
20:54<mfrisch>sfm|sholva: dpkg-reconfigure gdm does it too
20:54<sfm|sholva>ah ok
20:55<mfrisch>Corner: ok so cd's but still all of them are not needed
20:55<joelfranco>where i configure the ethernet device in the hal daemon?
20:56<Corner>I'l just wait till I network it..
20:56<mfrisch>joelfranco: uhm I think hotplug does what you want
20:56<joelfranco>mfrisch, hi.. but hotplug is not deprecated in favor of udev?
20:57<joelfranco>mfrisch, do you use debian?
20:57<mfrisch>joelfranco: yup it is. udev should do it. hal just tells it what it is
20:57<mfrisch>joelfranco: uhm yup?
20:58<joelfranco>mfrisch, sorry.. i do not understand the last expression..
20:58<joelfranco>mfrisch, what do you wanted to say?
20:58<mfrisch>joelfranco: yes I have use debian for many many years. uhm yup I use debian ;-)
20:58<joelfranco>mfrisch, :) ok
20:59<mfrisch>joelfranco: cat around proc and see if the device is seen when you plug it in/
21:00<joelfranco>mfrisch, ok... i have made a /etc/network/interfaces file that contains "allow-hotplug" for the eth0 device.. when i connect the cable it gets a IP.. but when i disconnect, it do not release the IP.. this is my central trouble..
21:00<joelfranco>mfrisch, where in /proc?
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21:01<mfrisch>joelfranco: won't help it works just does not not work
21:02<mfrisch>joelfranco: man interfaces sounds like /etc/network/interfaces is borked
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21:03<joelfranco>mfrisch, i do not found the "borked" in the english dictionary :*
21:03<joelfranco>mfrisch, :(
21:03<joelfranco>mfrisch, sorry.. it is a sad face :)
21:03<mfrisch>joelfranco: slang for messed up of nice way of saying f#cked
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21:04<joelfranco>mfrisch, ok... this is a good point: there is a way to debug the interfaces functionality file?
21:05<mfrisch>joelfranco: you can edit it and ifdown ifup the interface and debug that way
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21:05<joelfranco>mfrisch, i already have done it.. but it do not works like i expect.. i've reviewed it a lot times..
21:05<joelfranco>mfrisch, can i send the file to you lookit?
21:06<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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21:06<mfrisch>brb smoke break
21:07<joelfranco>mfrisch, i send to you in place
21:07<joelfranco>wait a moment..
21:08<joelfranco>mfrisch, "for_mfrisch"
21:08<sfm|sholva>good night all and thx for the help
21:08<joelfranco>mfrisch, there is the file
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21:11<joelfranco>mfrisch, plz when you come back, look at the file
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21:13<dpkg>Test Failed.
21:13<dpkg>Hi, joelfranco!
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21:38<Th|sD|cK>i can't write files to /dev/sda10 by KDE!!!!!!!!!
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21:39<lupine>then maybe you should fix the permissions?
21:40<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: can you right to it as root
21:40<Th|sD|cK>yes, by console
21:41<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: fix the permissions then!
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21:41<Th|sD|cK>by console?
21:41<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: was it used by something else before?
21:42<mfrisch>the partition
21:43<mfrisch>chmod -R 0775 /partition
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21:44<Th|sD|cK>does it reboot?
21:44<mfrisch>nope should just work
21:44<Th|sD|cK>doesn't work
21:44<mfrisch>what is it mounted on what dir?
21:45<Th|sD|cK>/dev/sda10 /media/archivio1 reiserfs defaults,rw,auto 0 0
21:45<jef_>hi - adding a pci-e SATA card to my lenny system - after initially booting fine from /dev/sda, the devices are reassigned and the boot disk becomes /dev/sdc - so boot fails to finish. Whats the best way to force /dev/sda to stay /dev/sda?
21:45<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: aah reiser SUCKS!!!
21:46<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: use a real fs?
21:47<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: open mc and goto the mounted dir hit ctrl x-c tell me what it says
21:47<lupine>I thought he stabbed
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21:48<lupine>jef_: it's a bios issue, mostly
21:48<lupine>or maybe jumpers
21:48<lupine>you'll have to RTFM, unfortunately
21:48<jef_>i was afraid of that :( Dell seems to have left out a few things
21:49<jef_>hrm - didn't think of jumpers...
21:49<jef_>I'll poke around the docs... dumbed down BIOSes are just anger inducing
21:49<Th|sD|cK>sorry mfrisch mc are?!
21:49<jef_>thanks lupine
21:49<lupine>you can get it to boot by adding root=/dev/sdc to the kernel line in grub, though. Then just modify /etc/fstab as needed
21:50<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: tell me the chmod for a file in the partition mc is just easier for me
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21:50<Th|sD|cK>ok :-p
21:50<jef_>lupine - right, I was thinking of that, but was trying to avoid the cross disk stuff since I will probably forget that I did it somewhere down the line :-)
21:51<lupine>you could completely migrate to uuid or label referencing instead?
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21:51<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: ls -al the dir
21:51<jef_>ooh - yeah - thats a pretty good suggestion. I really hadn't thought of that
21:52<Th|sD|cK>_____ /media/archivio1' è diventato 0664 (rw-rw-r--)
21:52<lupine>hard to get confused when your partitions are /dev/by-id/* :D
21:52<lupine>also, LVM ftw
21:52<Th|sD|cK>kundalini:/media/archivio1# ls -al
21:52<Th|sD|cK>totale 0
21:52<Th|sD|cK>drw-rw-r-- 4 root root 80 2007-07-18 08:43 .
21:52<Th|sD|cK>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 272 2007-07-19 04:24 ..
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21:52<mfrisch>no paste here!
21:53<lupine>/dev/main/etch_amd64 /dev/main/sid_amd64
21:53<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: just do one line of a file not the folder the next one
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21:54<jef_>ok - off to poke some more - thanks for the help!
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21:55<live>anyone here
21:55<Th|sD|cK>mfrisch>>> then...
21:55<seanp2k>live: possibly
21:55<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: paste one line the next one a file
21:55<live>anyone using this on an xbox?
21:55<amphi>a what?
21:56<amphi>oh, that game thing?
21:56<Th|sD|cK>sorry i don't understund
21:56<live>I'vr got debian on a xbox
21:56<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: paste one line here doing ls -la of a file . and .. are the dir
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21:57<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: there isn't one is there?
21:57<Th|sD|cK>there isn't!
21:58<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: but there is as root right?
21:58<Th|sD|cK>i make it?
21:58[~]lupine ------> sleeps
21:58<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: what are you mounting it on?
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21:59<Th|sD|cK>i'm mounting on /media/archivio1
21:59<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: mount -o remount /dev/disk /mnt
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22:00<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: as root
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22:01<Th|sD|cK>where i must specific filesystem type?
22:01<mfrisch>could be but just try it plain first
22:01<Th|sD|cK>kundalini:/media/archivio1# mount -o remount /dev/sda10 /mnt/ mount: you must specify the filesystem type
22:02<DaNGeR>what :D
22:02<mfrisch>add -t reiserfs
22:02<mfrisch>or just reiser
22:02<DaNGeR>ingilizce no ý a#dhtest
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22:04<DeepDayze>hi DaNGeR
22:04<DeepDayze>what's dangerous today?
22:05<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: did you do it?
22:05<Th|sD|cK>i try
22:05<mfrisch>got to go soon.
22:05<Th|sD|cK>i'll try tomorrow again
22:06<DaNGeR>no ingiliþ
22:06<mfrisch>do it now
22:06<mfrisch>i think /media does read only that is all
22:06<DaNGeR>I a<m türkish
22:06<Th|sD|cK>in /etc/fstab there is /media/archivio1 ... do i change?
22:06<mfrisch>well test it first ;-0
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22:07<Th|sD|cK> mount -o remount reiserfs /dev/sda10 /mnt/
22:07<Th|sD|cK>doesn't work
22:07<mfrisch>do -t reiserfs or -t reiser
22:08<Th|sD|cK>doen't works
22:09<Th|sD|cK>access denied
22:09<Th|sD|cK>in /mnt/ too
22:09<mfrisch>as ROOT?
22:09<Th|sD|cK>by KDE!
22:09<Th|sD|cK>no root
22:09<mfrisch>man it is borked
22:09<mfrisch>or the dir is messed up
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22:17<mfrisch>messed up
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22:18<Th|sD|cK>listen me
22:18<Th|sD|cK>on KDE
22:18<mfrisch>man don't use reiser!
22:20<Th|sD|cK>left clik on device, in mount tab, i read mount point /media/
22:20<Th|sD|cK>what i do use?
22:20<mfrisch>ext3 works great for me and is ALOT more stable
22:20<Th|sD|cK>i hope i resolve this problem by this trick
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22:21<Th|sD|cK>i use reiserfs for /, /home, /usr
22:21<mfrisch>well it may be saved ask a reiser person ;-)
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22:22<mfrisch>I was losing data when I tried reiser years ago and never went back
22:22<amphi>reiserfsck is very scary
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22:22<Th|sD|cK>then... do u use ext3 for basic mount too?
22:22<Th|sD|cK>for /,/home,/usr too?
22:22<mfrisch>for everything. but /boot can be ext2
22:23<DeepDayze>ext3 is great
22:23<amphi>I'm using xfs ATM, seems to behave well
22:23<DeepDayze>I had a power hit recently
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22:23<DeepDayze>and my system came right back up as I was using ext3 for my filesystems
22:23<Th|sD|cK>i must reinstall allllll
22:23<DeepDayze>the fsck did not take long compared to ext2
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22:23<DeepDayze>ext2 is rather naked
22:24<DeepDayze>no protection
22:24<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: but it could be something else it is weird that is only that partition
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22:24<DeepDayze>i had the misfortune of losing an entire ext2 filesystem due to a crash when a storm passed thru
22:24<jef_>I use reiser a lot - I think his problem is something other than an fs problem
22:24<mfrisch>DeepDayze: for /boot it is ok only uses it at boot time
22:24<DeepDayze>a lightning strike
22:25<DeepDayze>i use ext3 anyway for /boot
22:25<mfrisch>me too
22:25<DeepDayze>i hate to have my system scrambled after a power hit
22:25<DeepDayze>i once had my pc catch fire
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22:25<Th|sD|cK>then... i'm newbie...i want understand
22:26<DeepDayze>due to a lightning strike
22:26<DeepDayze>lightning passed thru the wiring
22:26<oddtod>hey guys i have toshset installed on my toshiba laptop if i use the FN buttons for my screen brightness it just turns the monitor off
22:26<mfrisch>uhm I mean bad
22:26<DeepDayze>blew apart the pc
22:26<Th|sD|cK>do i change all filesystem?! to ext3?
22:26<DeepDayze>not to mention a fire in my bedroom
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22:26<DeepDayze>i got a lightning rod now
22:27<mfrisch>Th|sD|cK: unless you have a good reason to use reiser I would
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22:28<mfrisch>jef_: his permissions got messed up. that is weird for a newbie
22:28<jef_>heh - yeah - I suppose so
22:29<mfrisch>jef_: and r\he chmod -R 0755 it and still no good
22:29<amphi>Th|sD|cK: ext3 is good
22:30<mfrisch>got to go goodnight!
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22:31<Th|sD|cK>i think this tomorrow...i need a fresh head
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22:31<Th|sD|cK>good night tnx
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22:40<version2>Is php run by user www-data?
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22:44<dds>version2: yes
22:44<dds>by default
22:45<version2>dds: Thanks.
22:45<dds>I'm testing out the apt-transport-https package. It appears that configuration settings for it only work at the command line, that the example given in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz are incorrect.
22:45<dds>examples given
22:45<dds>I've been testing with Debug::Acquire::https and Acquire::https::*
22:46<dds>they all seem to work properly when specified with -o to apt-get but I get errors about bad values if I write them in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
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22:55<sysop>how can I save firewall netfilter settings (has done with iptables) to load when server boot?
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23:05<gsimmons>sysop: Place your existing iptables statements within a file and make it executable (chmod +x foo). Depending on your needs, place this file within /etc/network/if-up.d/, /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ or call your file via the up/post-up options within your /etc/network/interfaces file.
23:06<version2>If I change the password of www-data, will it still work with apache?
23:08<sysop>version2, yes I believe so
23:08<sysop>gsimmons, thank you
23:09<sysop>gsimmons, did you think may I can restore with iptables-save and iptables-... ?
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23:10<amphi>sysop: yes
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23:11<gsimmons>sysop: Sure, you can use those too. Dump your current rules (to a file) with iptables-save, then load them when required (by suppling the rules with redirection) to iptables-restore.
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23:12<sysop>then in /etc/.../if-up.d/ place script to iptables-restore < firewall.cfg
23:12<sysop>it's ok?
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23:15<gsimmons>sysop: Should be, but I'd place firewall.cfg somewhere in /etc and reference it absolutely (eg. 'iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.cfg').
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23:15<sysop>amphi, gsimmons: thanks... you prefer fwbuilder, webmin-firewall, firestarter or other?
23:17<gsimmons>sysop: Sorry, never used any of those, can't comment.
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23:19<sysop>gsimmons, then what do you use or pure iptables?
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23:23<gsimmons>sysop: Just an iptables script, called after pppd makes a connection.
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23:26<sysop>gsimmons, ok... I am learning with bare iptables, but think to use some gui to help with design firewalls
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23:28<amphi>sysop: I haven't used any of those either; just iptables/scripts
23:29<gsimmons>sysop: You'd probably want to look at 'firestarter' or 'fwbuilder' then.
23:30<sysop>gsimmons, yes... but may be xml language for config, I think test with uml and netkit.
23:31<sysop>gsimmons, using NetML.
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23:32<kexbar>hi, anybody there?
23:32<sysop>amphi, with script you have more control and understanding, but need script or gui for better and fast design
23:33<kexbar>i'm a novince, can someboyd tell me the common command of "tar"?
23:33<kexbar>i'm a novince, can somebody tell me the common command of "tar"?
23:33<sysop>kexbar, what do you want to do with tar?
23:34<kexbar>i want to install a new font package!
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23:34<sysop>then you may want to extract a file... what .ext have your file?
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23:36<sysop>kexbar, jejejeje...
23:36<sysop>kexbar, sorry I mean hehehehehe.... tar is not for .deb
23:37<kexbar>yes, u r right! i want to extract it and install the font package!
23:37<kexbar>so, pls how can i fix it?
23:37<sysop>may be you need dpkg
23:37<sysop>dpkg -i yourfilename.deb
23:37[~]dpkg removes a speen from sysop and replaces it with yourfilename.deb
23:38<kexbar>thanx, i 'm trying!
23:40<kexbar>ok. i hav done it! when i installed a new font for system , need i restart or signout?
23:40<sysop>may be only logout of xwindow
23:40<sysop>close your session and log in again
23:41<kexbar>thanx. so, catch u later! :-)
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23:43<sysop>oh newbies... I remember when I was young.
23:43<sysop>sorry, I mean I'am young and newbie :)
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23:43<sysop>Hi dererk, how are you?
23:43<dpkg>sysop: you know how it is...
23:44<sysop>dpkg, yes... every time.
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23:48<kexbar>hi, guys!
23:48<sysop>hi kexbar
23:48<kexbar>:-) nice to meet u again!
23:48<sysop>now how look your fonts?
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23:49<kexbar>it's fixed! but, damned, the font looks worse!
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23:50<kexbar>i'm from china. pls, sysop, where do u come from pls?
23:50<sysop>not everyone gets everything
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23:50<sysop>i'm from mexico, good tequila ;)
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23:52<sysop>did you know some one who export china things?
23:52<version2>I'm trying to use the user www-data to log in to sftp and upload files to /var/www/. However, when I upload files, it says I don't have permissions? Should I do: chown www-data:www-data /var/www/
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23:53<kexbar>sorry, i don't know!
23:53<sysop>version2, you need to have permission in directory
23:54<sysop>version2, chown www-data:www-data /var/www/ may be can work
23:54<sysop>version2, as you said
23:55<sysop>kexbar, don't worrie
23:57<kexbar>but, if you are interested in sth. chinese, i can help u to find!
23:58<version2>sysop: seems to be working.
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