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---Logopened Thu Jul 19 00:00:02 2007
---Daychanged Thu Jul 19 2007
00:00<sysop>version2, ok
00:00<seanp2k>is there any way to get the nice smooth fonts from the rest of apps in debian to work in firefox?
00:01<sysop>version2, did you think in use chmod 4755 over /var/www?
00:01<seanp2k>nvm found it
00:01<version2>sysop, no... might that be better? I'm sorta new with all this stuff.
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00:02<sysop>version2, this set guid... I don't know so much, may be someone else can help you, but..
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00:03<sysop>version2, if set when a directory is created inside, directory is chgrped to group of up directory...
00:04<version2>you mean if I were to create a directory within /var/www/, it would be owned by the group of /var/www/ ? That sounds okay to me...
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00:05<version2>sysop, my goal was to be able to upload files and not mess with chmods (unless necessary), which defaults allowed php to write to them.
00:05<sysop>version2, yes... it's if you have an user for ftp
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00:06<version2>sysop, no ftp. Only sftp (I only installed ssh and ssh-server)
00:06<sysop>version2, ok... well if you have other users allowed to write.
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00:07<version2>sysop, just www-data for now.
00:09<version2>sysop, thanks.
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00:14<davidh>someone installed netbeans?
00:14<davidh>on debian 4.0?
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00:18<EricB>you're so cool
00:18<seanp2k>i'm sure spamming will net you an answer
00:18<seanp2k>maybe as fast as java will land you a job!! ouch,
00:19<mikegrb>I have
00:19<seanp2k>they made it with the coffee logo so you can get a cup of coffee while you wait for the app to load
00:19<mikegrb>seanp2k: ja!
00:20<davidh>seanp2k: because it is too slow that is why you get some coffee
00:20<seanp2k>i mean if you're going to learn a slow language at least make it python
00:20<mikegrb>davidh: isn't that what seanp2k said?
00:20<davidh>then you need a snap
00:20<seanp2k>as in snap-in for your server?
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00:21<davidh>mikegrb: I just joined. I did not know what he said
00:21<seanp2k>sorry to be ripping on you rather than helping you man
00:21<mikegrb>I can see where you joined and where he said that
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00:21<mikegrb>he just said that two lines above where you did
00:21<davidh>I was paying attention to netbean installtion
00:22<davidh>just come back to xchat
00:22<mikegrb>you were responding to his statement!
00:22[~]mikegrb gives up
00:22<davidh>what was the issue?
00:23<davidh>just slow, need a coffee, need a snap, need some sleep, need go to shopping?
00:23<sysop>and what do you think of eclipse, aside about slow
00:24<seanp2k>on error: goto sleep
00:25<seanp2k>or should i say goto sleep ()
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00:28<sysop>try { Dream dream = new LucidDream() } catch { Dream dream = new SleepOnly() }
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00:30<sysop>I will compile that with bedANT
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00:31<dig>os[Linux 2.6.21-2-amd64 x86_64] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ @ 1.85GHz] mem[Physical : 1506MB, 84.1% free] disk[Total : 70.33GB, 90.10% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT]] sound[]
00:31<sysop>I have one similar
00:32<dig>thought it would echo
00:32<sysop>about what?
00:33<sysop>see you later... bye
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00:52<UnKnowN>ugh nickserv is spamming me
00:52<UnKnowN>how do i fix that?
00:52<twb>UnKnowN: kick him!
00:52<UnKnowN>no its noticing me like 10 times over and over
00:52<twb>Don't know, sorry. #oftc or whatever might.
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00:54<UnKnowN>oh yea
00:54<UnKnowN>forgot to ask
00:55<UnKnowN>will sk98lin automatically take over for the skge network module once it's blacklisted at next startup?
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00:56<UnKnowN>that means?
00:56<jm_>it will if you'll add it to modules file
00:57<UnKnowN>i did :D
00:57<UnKnowN>\/etc/modules.conf includes sk98lin
00:57<jm_>no, I said modules
00:57<UnKnowN>\/modprobe.d/blacklist has 'blacklist skge'
00:57<UnKnowN>yeah its listed in lsmod
00:57<mjk>UnKnowN: You can type "/ /etc/blah", if you're using irssi.
00:58<jm_>that's not a proper way to blacklist a module
00:58<UnKnowN>mirc :S
00:58<twb>I use /msg #debian /fnord
00:58<UnKnowN>/ like that?
00:58<mjk>twb: Ah, good to know
00:58<mjk>UnKnowN: Yep =)
00:59<UnKnowN><-- learned something about irc he hasn't known for awhile
00:59<twb>Well, I am a genius.
00:59<UnKnowN>i put in
00:59<UnKnowN>blacklist skge
00:59<UnKnowN>and redid kernel as I was supposed to
01:00<UnKnowN>Is it safe to reboot now?
01:02<twb>Anybody know if upstart works on Sid?
01:02<UnKnowN>o_o you guys make me nervous to restart
01:02<mjk>UnKnowN: :-)
01:03<twb>UnKnowN: it's never safe to reboot
01:03<UnKnowN>c'mon gimme a clue
01:03<UnKnowN>or at least a cookie
01:03<mjk>UnKnowN: There's always the rescue cookie. =)
01:03<UnKnowN>twb why is that?
01:03<twb>Just like it's never safe to cross the road
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01:03<twb>An airbus fuselage could fall on you, for example
01:03<UnKnowN>Well you see, i'll have to wait for a person to walk to the computer to fix it
01:03<UnKnowN>If it doesn't start up
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01:04<twb>UnKnowN: the worst that will happen, I imagine, is that the NIC won't come back up
01:04<UnKnowN>And them data center people are lazy as hell, and have to take there time (6 hours)
01:04<mjk>UnKnowN: remote consoles r0xx0r.
01:04<UnKnowN>yea :/
01:04<UnKnowN>Wish I was allowed to have one
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01:05<adm64>please say me russian channel help debian ?
01:05<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
01:06<vanamar>anyone familiar with munin for server monitoring?
01:06<UnKnowN>so can someone give me some odds
01:06<UnKnowN>on the successful reboot?
01:07<twb>4/5 on blue thunder
01:07<adm64>dpkg: thanks
01:07<dpkg>adm64: de nada
01:08<twb>If you were paranoid, like me, you'd have called the colo guys 5.5 hours ago and told them to fix the box. Then, if it works, you can call them up again and cancel the order, and if it doesn't then in 20 minutes it'll be fixed.
01:08<UnKnowN>2.6.21-33- #2 SMP Wed Jul 18 15:11:18 PDT 2007 i686 unknown GNU/Linux
01:08<UnKnowN>tell me odds
01:08<twb>Which driver is it using now?
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01:09<twb>And you can talk to the box?
01:09<UnKnowN>yes i can talk barely
01:09<UnKnowN>skge is broken
01:09<UnKnowN>i don't really wanna fix a broken module, that would be time I don't have
01:09<twb>Have you tried inserting sk98lin manually?
01:09<UnKnowN>it's already loaded
01:10<twb>If you do that while the auto start still uses skge, then you only need to power cycle to get it back.
01:10<UnKnowN>sk98lin 177432 0
01:10<UnKnowN>skge 39184 0
01:10<UnKnowN>on modules list
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01:10<twb>But presumably it's still using skge?
01:10<UnKnowN>yea it is
01:10<UnKnowN>kernel says so
01:11<UnKnowN>its lying >.<
01:11<UnKnowN>but I assume kernels don't lie 99.9% of the time
01:11<twb>So why not remove the skge driver manually, without touching the start scripts?
01:11<twb>Then if you can still talk to it, sk98lin works.
01:11<UnKnowN>but then how would sk98lin kick in?
01:11<UnKnowN>i'd have to tell it something
01:11<twb>I assume you do something like "rmmod x; modprobe y"
01:11<twb>So that when you lose connection, the second part will still run
01:12<UnKnowN>wish me luck!
01:12<UnKnowN>rmmod skge; modprobe sk98lin
01:12<twb>I don't know.
01:12<UnKnowN>or is it insmod :S
01:12<twb>The key point being that a volatile change can be fixed by a power cycle, which on-site guys can do easily
01:13<twb>FSVO fixed = backed out
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01:17<UnKnowN>timed out :(
01:17<UnKnowN>failure :(
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01:18<UnKnowN>i should have done
01:18<UnKnowN>rmmod skge; modprobe sk98lin; ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0
01:18<UnKnowN>or looped back to rmmod the sk98lin and modprobe skge
01:18<UnKnowN>and see if it could recover :S
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01:23<sangeetha>I am getting an error while compiling iceweasel,could anybody help me to solve it
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01:23<varka>where to edit entries of the gnome "places menu"? not only the nautilus bookmarks but the entries like "gnome-search-tool" also?
01:23<UnKnowN>you mean firef-- oh yea
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01:27<sangeetha>I am getting this error : while compiling iceweasel
01:27<sangeetha>I have added a patch to it for getting indic printing support
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01:35<ifvoid>sangeetha: you seem to have multiple definition of pango stuff
01:36<ifvoid>but doesn't the defautl iceweasel just display all fonts
01:36<ifvoid>at least, I cna read all wikipedia's here
01:36<jm_>heh these people are asking about it for almost a month now
01:39<sangeetha>ifvoid, In iceweasel there is no indic language printing support,we get rendering problem in tamil printing
01:42<ifvoid>jm_: what people?
01:45<sangeetha>ifvoid, should we enable anything else also for enabling pango
01:46<jm_>ifvoid: they come every week with a different nick and ask about iceweasel and indic patch :)
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01:52<ifvoid>jm_: ah
01:52<ifvoid>sangeetha: as I said, there is a problem with the patch
01:52<ifvoid>it defines some pango stufff multiple times
01:54<sangeetha>ifvoid, but if i take the tarball from mozilla and compile,it is compiling properly
01:54<sangeetha>but if i try to create debian package only i am getting this error
01:55<sangeetha>jm_ i am not getting an answer for that thats why we are asking it agaain
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01:57<ifvoid>sangeetha: probably because mozilla is linking statically against pango or something stupid like that
01:57<ifvoid>that's typically an error that debian would fix
01:57<ifvoid>and if your patch then reenables mozilla's internal pango stuff
01:57<jm_>sangeetha: so get a clean Debian source package and try to compile that first
01:57<ifvoid>you will get errors like this
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01:58<jm_>sangeetha: after that find out what's the difference between the two, it doesn't take rocket scientist to figure it out
01:58<ifvoid>sangeetha: anyway, compiling and patching huge packages like mozilla is no trivial task
01:58<ifvoid>you shouldn't try to do it if you don't know that these errors mean, or how linking works
02:00<sangeetha>ifvoid, but its quite difficult to understand that sourec
02:02<ifvoid>yes, exactly
02:02<ifvoid>so don't do it, unless you actually feel like you know what you're doing
02:02<ifvoid>have you asked the debian maintainers to include this patch, for example?
02:03<jm_>that would be far better option in your case
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02:04<sangeetha>ifvoid, how will i be able to contact debian maintainers
02:05<ifvoid>just file a bug
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02:07<ifvoid>reportbug iceweasel
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02:10<GhostlyDeath>Debian #1!
02:11<twb>AHS, ASS. Amen.
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02:23<UnKnowN>STill having that issue ugh...
02:23<UnKnowN>So whats the best way to use sk98lin instead of skge?
02:23<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.
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02:29<UnKnowN>i went to /lib/modules/driver/net/
02:29<UnKnowN>typed install skge.ko /bin/true
02:29<UnKnowN>that should do it?
02:30<twb>UnKnowN: you just broke /bin/true
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02:30<twb>UnKnowN: reinstall coreutils
02:31<UnKnowN>fixed ;)
02:31<twb>dpkg was saying to append that line in the text file "blacklist"
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02:31<UnKnowN>i already did that ;)
02:31<UnKnowN>so a simple line saying 'blacklist skge' wil ldo it
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02:32<twb>UnKnowN: are you paying attention?
02:32<jm_>I can also answer that with a "no" :)
02:33<twb>There is little we can do to help the inattentive.
02:33<graytron_>UnK no wN
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02:33<UnKnowN>Okay, please reword it :/
02:34<UnKnowN>Imagine your talking to someone completely noob
02:34<UnKnowN>ohhh wait
02:34<UnKnowN>i get it
02:34<UnKnowN>so in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
02:34<UnKnowN>i put
02:34<UnKnowN>'install skge /bin/true'
02:35<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.
02:35<UnKnowN>oh thx for updating that to make more sense xD
02:35<UnKnowN>cause i mean
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02:36<UnKnowN>rebuilding kernel
02:37<UnKnowN>ok now...
02:37<jm_>uhm if you're building your own kernel it's much easier to just remove support for offending module
02:37<UnKnowN>i know :/
02:37<UnKnowN>But I don't wanna loose all of my network caps
02:37<UnKnowN>so i left it there
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02:37<UnKnowN>so a simple reboot shall determine if its working correct?
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02:38<serge>Hello! I need to setup Cyrillic printing in Etch 4.0 . a2ps complains: NimbusMonCYR-Bold.afm': No such file or directory. Googling gave me that I need scalable-cyrfonts package, but there is no such pkg in the distro (I've got 3xDVD). Can anybody tell me the solution pls?
02:39<dli>serge apt-cache search cyrillic
02:39<ifvoid>the package is called scalable-cyrfonts-tex
02:40<serge>ifvoid, but those font are for TeX...? Is this the same?
02:41<ifvoid>yes, it has the afm files
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02:42<ifvoid>but maybe you want t1-cyrillic instead
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02:43<UnKnowN>:O :O :O
02:43[~]UnKnowN cheers!
02:43<UnKnowN>sk98lin: Network Device Driver v10.0.5.3
02:43[~]UnKnowN hugs jm_ for the help
02:44<UnKnowN>You're my new linux friend :)
02:44<serge>ifvoid, it looks that the final solution is to decide which font file afm from that TeX collection could replace NimbusMonCYR-Bold.afm
02:44<UnKnowN>ty twb too
02:44<ifvoid>serge: anyway, I can;t find any nimbus files in debian
02:44<ifvoid>except a truetype font
02:44<UnKnowN>i wish they could replace skge with sk98lin
02:45<UnKnowN>sk98lin is much more feature full and stable :)
02:45<UnKnowN>ok wait a minute O_-
02:45<UnKnowN>the bug is still there :S, now I'm confused...
02:46<jm_>actually the plan is to remove sk98lin and leave only skge
02:47<UnKnowN>so reverse what I just did
02:47<jm_>yes, see LKML
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02:47<UnKnowN>so jm_ what's the solution for this problem?
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02:48<jm_>UnKnowN: the solution would be to try and use the latest driver and if there are problems, report them to maintainers
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02:48<UnKnowN>hmm the strange part is
02:48<UnKnowN>it does't happen in FC 6 FC 4, and centOS
02:48<UnKnowN>but they use some kind of old custom module
02:48<serge>ifvoid, me too... :) But ..a2ps tables /usr/share/a2ps/encoding/koi8.edf -- refers to NimbusMonCYR-Bold.afm ... uhh, misconfiguration, workaroung again.. :(
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02:48<jm_>maybe they use a patch
02:49<UnKnowN>also its not negotiating correctly :/
02:49<ifvoid>serge: can you please file a bug about that?
02:50<jm_>well most modules allow you to force link settings
02:50<UnKnowN>-[jm_]- the issue is with both modules.
02:50<UnKnowN>yea, i understand that
02:50<jm_>UnKnowN: just buy a known good used card for $2
02:50<UnKnowN>yeah but this is a server in a dc, I can't replace it
02:50<jm_>why not?
02:51<UnKnowN>idk against policy
02:51<jm_>do it once when you are there
02:51<serge>UnKnowN, I have some experience with sk98lin. I've compiled their latest driver, but it doesn't work properly anyway... The solution is to force it to load: modprobe sk98lin .. May be it's a reason to send report to mantainer.
02:51<UnKnowN>ah here it is
02:51<UnKnowN>but its already loaded serge
02:51<UnKnowN>i've already sent a report
02:51<UnKnowN>no response either
02:51<UnKnowN>around six months ago
02:52<jm_>UnKnowN: you should report the issue then, maintainer just said he's not aware of any issues so ...
02:52<jm_>search for sk98lin removal thread on LKML and read it
02:52<UnKnowN>thats now what im supposed to look for :D
02:53<jm_>what? no
02:53<UnKnowN>yea thats the module thats been working
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02:54<serge>ifvoid, file a bug - ok. I'm quite new to Debian (used RH and FC before...), so please give me a quick clue where to put my report? Thank you.
02:54<jm_>is that a vendor driver?
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02:54<UnKnowN>vendor drive is not working so im going to a third party
02:54<ifvoid>serge: just us "reportbug a2ps"
02:55<serge>ifvoid, :) ok, thnx.
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02:57<udo>what programs usually use the user nobody? I have a ssh conection which I think It could be a security break
02:57<UnKnowN>is there anyway I could use the rpms?
02:58<jm_>rpms of what?
02:59<UnKnowN>for another os, and take that module and use it in my next kernel build
02:59<udo>How can I see is somebody which hasn't been invited is in my box?
02:59<jm_>you can install RPM-s in Debian
03:00<UnKnowN>-[udo]- who, last, /var/log/secure
03:00<UnKnowN>many ways
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03:01<udo>UnKnowN, thx a lot
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03:03<UnKnowN>jm_ I have idea
03:03<UnKnowN>I could become the maintainer for the kmdl version, and work on it as a personal fix, and for people who have the same issue
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03:06<udo>UnKnowN, could be cat /var/log/auth.log where I find out the user 'nobody' conection was shown , because I don't have /var/log/secure?
03:06<twb>jm_: it doesn't always work to well, though
03:07<UnKnowN>my bad sry udo
03:07<udo>itś ok
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03:08<udo>it's ok, UnKnowN
03:08<UnKnowN>tell me good or bad idea
03:08<twb>udo: /var/log/auth.log
03:08<UnKnowN>using a compiled module from fc7, but same kernel
03:08<UnKnowN>could i use that module with mine?
03:08<udo>that was what I thought tnx twb
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03:24<UnKnowN>fixed and fixed :D
03:24<UnKnowN>found the problem in the module ;)
03:25<UnKnowN>its not negotiating correctly :P
03:25<jm_>well it could be your other equipment failing to do it properly
03:25<UnKnowN>I'm doing better than I ever was in FC, and centOS too
03:25<UnKnowN>hmm quite possible
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03:26<UnKnowN>I've made a note of everything I've done
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03:26<UnKnowN>skge was unable to negotiate while sk98lin was able
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03:28<tbrock>hey guys what is the proper way to setup debian with ddclient
03:28<tbrock>its working fine
03:28<tbrock>the ddclient part resolving the ip
03:28<tbrock>but I would like to know how to tell debian that this is in fact the hostname of the machine
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03:29<tbrock>so apache stops complaining about the fqdn
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03:29<version2>is dhclient being annoying to you, too?
03:29<UnKnowN>whats up with ddclient?
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03:30<UnKnowN>he's talking about dyndns client not the dhcp client
03:30<UnKnowN>-[tbrock]- did you try editing /etc/hostname?
03:31<tbrock>is that all i need to do
03:31<tbrock>i wanted to be sure that i set everything up the right way
03:31<tbrock>my hostname is
03:31<UnKnowN>just relogin and it'll reflect your changes
03:31<tbrock>so in hostname i put ironface?
03:31<UnKnowN>no the full thing
03:31<tbrock>what about /etc/hosts
03:32<tbrock>the full thing? are you sure?
03:32<version2>UnKnowN: yeah, just got that... didn't it used to be called dhclient... obviously very similar to the name ddclient.
03:32<tbrock>ususally the hostname is just the first part no?
03:32<UnKnowN>-[version2]- you having problems with dhclient
03:32<UnKnowN>-[tbrock]- I put my entire thing in there, and it works fine, apache likes it too
03:33<tbrock>so what about etc hosts
03:33<tbrock>/etc/hosts rather
03:33<UnKnowN>-[tbrock]- things that depend on your hostname like when it resolves
03:33<tbrock>i don't have to fiddle with that
03:33<UnKnowN>you can put it in there if you want
03:34<thomasbl>tbrock: for the /etc/hostname take ironface and for the /etc/domainname take
03:34<tbrock>what should be the format of that entry
03:34<tbrock>i don't have an existing /etc/domainname
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03:35<tbrock>should i just make one
03:35<jm_>no, domainname is for NIS
03:35<UnKnowN>i just use /etc/hostname
03:35<UnKnowN>Just do that and you should be fine
03:35<UnKnowN>and please dont msg me version2
03:35<thomasbl>but /etc/dnsdomainname is there, right?
03:35<tbrock>right, but i would like to know what the proper way to do it is
03:35<tbrock>not just the quick fix
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03:36<tbrock>thomasbl: no its not
03:36<UnKnowN>that is the proper way,
03:36<tbrock>ok thanks
03:36<UnKnowN>from my knowledge that is the proper way, so if you don't like my answer, ask someone else.
03:36<tbrock>UnKnowN: thank you for the help!
03:37<UnKnowN>np, just remember, be happy its that simple :D
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03:38<tbrock>ok great, apache doesn't complain
03:38<tbrock>sorry for asking so many questions
03:38<UnKnowN>cause apache looks direclty at /etc/hostname
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03:38<tbrock>i'm trying to figure out debian
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03:38<tbrock>coming from gentoo
03:38<UnKnowN>well gl and hf ;)
03:38<UnKnowN>Oh yeah...
03:38<UnKnowN>Welcome to Debian
03:38<tbrock>so I like to ask how things are done so i understand
03:38<thomasbl>then you did the right decission
03:38<alex_>debian owns gentoo
03:38<twb>I think apache *falls back on* /etc/hostname
03:38<alex_>hands down
03:38<tbrock>haha i was a Debian user who switched to gentoo
03:39<tbrock>then back
03:39<alex_>twb, it does
03:39<tbrock>haha thanks guys
03:39<tbrock>glad to see you accepted me back
03:39<UnKnowN>-[twb]- i remember it saying something about that :S, but i used /etc/hosts and hostname
03:39<alex_>set ServerName is apache.conf
03:39<alex_>is = in
03:39<tbrock>it was a while ago so I need some refreshers
03:39<twb>alex_: right.
03:39<tbrock>on debian
03:39<twb>Otherwise it complains at boot time
03:40<UnKnowN>and holds up for like 30 seconds right?
03:40<UnKnowN>I used to hate that.
03:40<twb>I don't think so.
03:40<twb>I don't use apache, though, because it has too many DSAs
03:40<UnKnowN>maybe if you dont have it in /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname
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03:40<tarzeau>anyone's got a thunderbird 2.x backport to etch?
03:40<twb>You should pretty much always have /etc/hostname on Debian.
03:40<UnKnowN>apache or also apache2?
03:40<jm_>twb: but that's not always a bad thing
03:41<twb>jm_: true
03:41<twb>no bugs > finding bugs > not finding bugs
03:41<UnKnowN>I like finding bugs > fixing bugs > not finding bugs
03:41<twb>UnKnowN: those were "is greater than", not a progression
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03:42<jm_>or is better than
03:42<UnKnowN>lol i was meaning to use pointers
03:42<UnKnowN>I like finding bugs --- > fixing bugs --- > not finding bugs
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03:42<UnKnowN>what alt is that?
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03:42<twb>C-x C-m C-\ sgml RET →
03:42<UnKnowN>Like I'm gonna remember that
03:43<twb>You only need to switch to the sgml input method once
03:43<twb>Normally I use the TeX IM
03:43<UnKnowN>I meant in windows :p
03:43<UnKnowN>call me a noob idc ;)
03:43<tbrock>ok guys
03:43<twb>Emacs runs just fine on Windows.
03:43<tbrock>i'm tired as hell
03:43<tbrock>you guys here all the time?
03:43<twb>18:43 *** twb CTCP VERSION rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.1.1
03:44<UnKnowN>I can't repeat the output :(
03:44<twb>Please use English.
03:44<twb>What are you trying to achieve?
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03:44<UnKnowN>The symbols you are using
03:45<twb>Are you using Emacs 22?
03:45<UnKnowN>mirc 6.x
03:45<twb>That's obviously why.
03:45<twb>Mirc probably doesn't use Emacs bindings.
03:45<jm_>ROFLCOPTERS flying in
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03:45<Ganneff>now, why are you in #debian with a windows problem?
03:45<UnKnowN>because they didn't port mirc to debian yet :/
03:46<twb>UnKnowN: there are other IRC clients.
03:46<twb>Emacs comes with two out of the box, and support another four.
03:46<UnKnowN><-- is jealious
03:46<UnKnowN>but then again
03:46<UnKnowN>Do they come with uber cool scripts?
03:46<twb>Why be jelous? Emacs runs on your OS, too.
03:47<twb>Emacs is extensible. Most of it is written in what you would call "scripts"
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03:47<UnKnowN>yeah but does emacs have as many exploits as mirc?
03:47<twb>I wouldn't know.
03:47<UnKnowN>I'm beat
03:47<twb>I don't use windows or windows-dependent tools.
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03:48<UnKnowN>so whats up with vmware and gcc4 compiled kernel's
03:48<UnKnowN>i dont get it
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03:49<twb>I wouldn't know about that either, since qemu is GPL and works adequately for my needs.
03:50<UnKnowN>whats that?
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03:50<twb>What is what?
03:50<UnKnowN>whoa nvm
03:50<UnKnowN>i got it working yay
03:51<UnKnowN>all hail wa**z
03:51<twb>This is not really a pro-warez community.
03:51<UnKnowN>i didn't say that
03:51<twb>I would advise you to instead investigate software that need be neither stolen nor purchased.
03:52<cahoot>so what *did* you imply?
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03:54<xilef>hey somebody knows about spore proyect??
03:54<twb>In English, "project".
03:54<azeem>xilef: is it related to Debian?
03:55<xilef>knows about it?
03:56<twb>xilef: I have never heard of it before.
03:56<mjk>xilef: What's that spore project about?
03:58<mjk>xilef: So?
03:58<mjk>xilef: What's it about?
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03:59<mjk>xilef: Do you mean
03:59<mjk>xilef: So what /do/ you mean?
03:59<xilef>google it
03:59<udo>UnKnowN, thx again
04:00<twb>xilef: you are asking the questions, it's up to YOU to provide adequate information for us to give meaningful responses.
04:00<udo>so long everybody
04:00<alex_>UnKnowN The symbols you are using
04:00<alex_>twb Are you using Emacs 22?
04:00<alex_>UnKnowN mirc 6.x
04:00<mjk>xilef: There are thousands of hits. How should we know which spore project you mean?
04:00<twb>alex_: indeed, yes.
04:01<xilef>look on
04:01<petemc>i think the answer to the original question is "no, nobody knows about spore proyect"
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04:02-UnKnowN:#debian-hello all
04:02<xilef>is project... petemc
04:02<Maulkin>UnKnowN: Please don't do that
04:02<alex_>someone set +m already
04:03<UnKnowN>sry ;)
04:03<UnKnowN>was showing an example
04:03<peyman>hi everyone, i have a question about kernel modules, can i ask here?
04:03<Maulkin>Good. Try it in #test or something next time
04:03<alex_>there is 9999^999999 channels to test shit on :)
04:04<mjk>xilef: Okay, admittedly it's nice, but how's that related to Debian?
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04:05<alex_>whats the dpkg command to say "this is a help channl blah blah blah"?
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04:05<UnKnowN>!dpkg help
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04:05<dpkg>is this teh room for debain help plz ??? lol
04:06<Maulkin>Just look at the topic...
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04:06<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
04:06<cahoot>UnKnowN, try /msg dpkg
04:06<UnKnowN>What do I wanna say to dpkg cahoot?
04:07<cahoot>you should know
04:07<cahoot>UnKnowN, try /msg dpkg botabuse
04:07<UnKnowN> <dpkg> lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
04:07<Ganneff>and dont paste it here
04:08<alex_>this channel needs more ops
04:08<Maulkin>This channel has plenty of ops
04:08<UnKnowN>yea its does lol
04:08<azeem>UnKnowN: do you have a Debian question?
04:08<UnKnowN>i've seemed to have awaken a majority of them :S
04:08<Maulkin>alex_: they just don't stay opped all the time
04:08<alex_>Maulkin, ok :)
04:09<Maulkin>alex_: /msg chanserv access #debian list
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04:10<UnKnowN>btw i wanna make a note about warez, I do not like them myself either, I used vmware server which is (freeware)
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04:12<alex_>UnKnowN, and?
04:13<twb>qemu is Free. vmware is merely gratis.
04:13<UnKnowN>I retract that statement from earlier and apoligize for any unrest I have caused
04:16<alex_>UnKnowN, are you a bot?
04:16<tralala>UnKnowN, you're excused, now you can get back to on-topic conversations
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04:24<lunatic> /msg dpkg botabuse
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04:40<stuart>To install Flash and Java am I best to go to Adobe and Sun sites and install "manually"
04:40<jm_>stuart: no, java is packaged
04:40<NinjaDoggy>You could just google "Java Download" or "Flash Download"
04:41<stuart>jm: Is that the GPL java?
04:41<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
04:41<jm_>stuart: see above
04:42<gsimmons>stuart: An installer for the Adobe Flash Player plugin is also packaged ('flashplugin-nonfree').
04:42<jm_>stuart: for flash there is flashplugin-nonfree, but I usually install it by hand
04:42<jm_>although this might work just fine, should try it someday
04:42<stuart>jm: I did install the GPL java and it seemed awfully slow (thought my computre had hung).
04:42<jm_>stuart: what do you mean with GPL java?
04:43<stuart>jm: re flashplugin-non free -- would that be an advantage becuase then synaptic knows when an update becpomes available?
04:43<jm_>stuart: no, it won't know about that
04:43<stuart>jm: I'd have to go search again, but it was a free one that showed up in synaptic
04:44<jm_>stuart: use sun java then
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04:44<stuart>jm: even if i install via synaptic package?
04:45<jm_>stuart: well yes, it has to query for new releases
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04:45<stuart>jm: 1 issue...after playing with the various repositories, synaptic (on a fresh install of debian 4) now mentions only sarge repositories??
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04:45<jm_>stuart: can't help you there, I don't use synaptic ;)
04:46<stuart>jm: ok, thanks - i'll see if anybody else knows
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04:47<stuart>After adding and deleting various repositories (ie only those visible from "default" synaptic), synaptic (on a fresh install of debian 4) now mentions only sarge repositories. What is going on here?
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04:49<witte>stuart: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace sarge with stable
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04:49<witte>stuart: but that sounds like a bug in synaptic?
04:49<stuart>witte: 1 moment please...
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04:50<stuart>witte: im not expert (will even struggle to edit that file lol), but this is the 2nd time this has happened
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04:51<witte>stuart: normally that should say etch or stable in stead of sarge. Probably some default in synaptic is not updated correctly.
04:51<stuart>witte: Last time I thought, oh i must have installed 3.1.... but now with 4 installed yesterday, i had different beagle (kerry) version but now the repositories have "reset"??? themselves to sarge and 4 is testing or unstable. I'm confused
04:51<witte>stuart: it should however.
04:51<stuart>witte: lemme see if i can edit it...
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04:51<witte>stuart: to change the file: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
04:52<stuart>witte: thanks
04:52<witte>or replace gedit with your favorite editor (kate/emacs/nano/...)
04:52<stuart>witte: lol gedit will do just fine
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04:54<stuart>witte: that file doesnt seem to exist -- a blank file displays
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04:54<stuart>witte: copied/pasted your command, but did su rather than sudo coz "not in sodoers list)?
04:57<witte>stuart: ok, not in the sudoers list means that you have no right to use sudo
04:57<witte>stuart: so you did su
04:58<witte>and afterwards gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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04:59<stuart>witte: correct, but somehow i saved an empty file... just checked and there was a saved version with 2 lines mentioning sarge. So how to copy and paste those lines into my new blank file?
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05:00<stuart>witte: I think gedit gives an error in the terminal window
05:00<stuart> witte: will try once more - hang on
05:00<witte>stuart: probably because root can not start an X session
05:00<witte>better use nano
05:01<witte>stuart: and you can select the text with your mouse, and paste it using the middle mouse button
05:01<stuart> witte: what is non?
05:01<witte>(or you can copy the old file to the /etc/apt/sources.list
05:01<witte>nano is a very tiny editor :-)
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05:02<stuart>witte: I'd happily copy the old over the new but i dont have access. How do i get a "root" file manager?
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05:02<witte>stuart: you are root in the window where you did su
05:02<stuart>witte: so nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:02<witte>stuart: yes
05:03<stuart>witte: But that means using a copy command lol May be beyond my ability... 1 moment plse
05:03<witte>copy is cp ;-)
05:03<MaethU>hia, i have a problem with proper setting time at bootup
05:03<witte>cp sourcefile destinationfile
05:03<MaethU>since i moved to Lenny
05:03<jm_>!set time
05:03<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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05:04<MaethU>dpkg: i uninstalled ntp, bacause im behind NAT gw and i can realize proper configuration to satisfy all stations
05:05<MaethU>i have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS
05:05<MaethU>but when starting, hwclock script still adds two hours (my TZ)
05:05<stuart>witte: thanks -- have got a viable sources.list again Will just try nano to make updates... so i replace "sarge" with "etch"?
05:06<Maulkin>MaethU: did you run tzconfig?
05:06<witte>stuart: yes
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05:06<MaethU>Maulkin: yep, also copied proper TZfile to /etc/localtime
05:06<MaethU>Maulkin: bootup script identifies my TZ properly (CEST atm)
05:06<witte>stuart: save is ctrl-O and exit is ctrl-X
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05:07<MaethU>Maulkin: otherwise, when changing to UTC=yes, the time in HW clock is interpreted as UTC, so the other possibility works, but my windows dont like it
05:08<Maulkin>MaethU: how do you mean "doesn't like it"?
05:09<MaethU>Maulkin: windows cant use UTC time at hw clock
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05:09<stuart>witte: thanks. Can i just check my source list with you. It is 2 lines. First line deb etch main
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05:09<stuart>witte: second line deb etch/updates main
05:10<stuart>witte: does that seem reasonable for the default official repositories?
05:10<witte>stuart: seems reasonable
05:11<MaethU>so to keep the time correct both in windows and debian, i must disable UTC, so i had it before and that worked, but since some update (i hope ntp didn't it) this happens
05:11<stuart>witte: how come you haven't had this problem of the sources list becoming corrupted -- if you dont use synaptic gui, what do u use?
05:11<witte>stuart: i usually also add "contrib" and "non-free" to the line
05:11<witte>stuart: I use command line apt-get
05:11<witte>stuart: but people nowadays recommend aptitude
05:12<witte>aptitude update (check the repositories on the internet for new packages)
05:12<stuart>witte: the contrib and non-free are they just unofficial packages created by "trusted" developers and hosted officialy?
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05:12<witte>aptitude install <package> and aptitude dist-upgrade
05:12<stuart>witte: im happy with synaptic, but that bug scares me a little
05:13<stuart>witte: im sure it resulted in me have a mix of packages from 4 and 3.1 AND an unstable system (open office occasionally would hang the computer)
05:13<twb> does that anyway
05:13<twb>It's junk
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05:14<witte>stuart: non-free can have some strange licenses or something and contrib I do not really know :)
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05:14<stuart>really, i've never had it crash linux prior to installing debian
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05:14<twb>Firefox, TeX, Linux and Emacs are also junk.
05:14<twb>Just to put things in perspective.
05:15<stuart>witte: but it's not anyone that can contribute (eg. a malicious package)? I assume there is some level of quality control given that those repos appear as an option from the official install?
05:15<stuart>twb lol
05:15<twb>stuart: to contribute a package to Debian, you need to go through a rigorous nm process.
05:15<stuart>twb so is there an OS that isnt?
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05:16<twb>nm = new maintainer
05:16<stuart>oh ok
05:16<witte>stuart: non-free and contrib are official debian packages
05:16<twb>non-free packages are not officially part of Debian.
05:16<witte>read the link I sent
05:16<stuart>ok will do
05:16<witte>twb: well, they are more or less
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05:17<witte>not official but supported is maybe better
05:17<twb>witte: it's really a technical position to reconcile non-free's existence with the DFSG
05:17<twb>Practically they are probably more official than unofficial.
05:17<twb>e.g. they are in the BTS
05:18<witte>twb: for me they are in debian, and I will not say anything more about it without a lawyer ;-)
05:19<bcochofel>I need some info on creating a .deb package. Is there a way to encrypt preinst/postinst files?
05:19<stuart>witte; lol
05:19<twb>bcochofel: why do you want to do that?
05:19<bcochofel>I have some passwords and other sensible data that I need to put there
05:20<stuart>why stop at sensible?
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05:20<bcochofel>Vars I need to access db and others things I need to do to install the package
05:20<twb>Why do you need to put passwords there?
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05:21<twb>Parts of the config database are restricted, which you can see if you use debconf-get-selections as a nonprivileged user.
05:21<stuart>witte: i think i am going to uninstall synaptic
05:21<witte>stuart: what did cause your synaptic to change the sources.list files? Did you do anything special, because this shouldn't happen. Synaptic is normally well supported and such a bug would be clear
05:22<bcochofel>twb: sorry, don't understand
05:22<twb>stuart: why not just refrain from running it?
05:22<twb>bcochofel: you might find #debian-devel more appropriate.
05:22<suiside>is it possible to the manually toggle a packages state to automatically installed in apt?
05:22<bcochofel>twb: thx
05:22<bcochofel>in OFTC or freenode?
05:22<stuart>after restoring the sources.list, i refresh synaptic and the etch repositories are listed as specified by the sources.list file. However...
05:23<twb>stuart: my question still stands.
05:23<stuart>the add channel option still lists sarge as the (only) stable option
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05:23<stuart>twb: synaptic is just a gui for apt-get yeah?
05:24<twb>It is one of many GUIs
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05:24<suiside>ah, possible in aptitude, nevermind
05:24<stuart>witte: I do not know what i did to cause this problem other than add and remove (maybe several time) the repositories available by default from within synaptic
05:25<twb>suiside: yes, aptitude markauto fnord
05:25<twb>suiside: yes, aptitude install fnord\&M
05:25<twb>suiside: yes, m/M in the GUI mode
05:25<stuart>it bothers me that it currently thinks im using sarge
05:25<witte>stuart: ok, does sound like a bug
05:25<twb>stuart: as I said before, why not just fix sources.list and then use a different GUI?
05:25<stuart>witte: yes, but my feedback is probably not useful...
05:26<suiside>twb: thanks
05:26<stuart>twb: yeah, will try that
05:26<witte>stuart: I would even think it would be better that synaptic would go for stable instead of a codename
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05:27<stuart>witte: at least i was alerted by the "sarge" that something was up
05:27<witte>stuart: normally it is not wrong to have an older version in sources.list
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05:27<witte>you just don't have the latest software
05:27<stuart>if just stable i would have assumed nothing was wrong. I'm happy now with etch repos -- beagle works MUCH better than before
05:28<twb>Desktops should probably run testing rather than stable.
05:28<stuart>witte: yes, but i think it is a bug and perhaps a dangerous 1 as i said before about the open office instability and also beagle obviously being the wrong version
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05:29<twb>stuart: report it, then!
05:29<stuart>twb: i dont know how to and isn't the problem to vague to report?
05:29<twb>That's for the maintainer to decide.
05:29<twb>When in doubt, report bugs.
05:29<twb>"reportbug synaptic"
05:30<twb>Whole sentences, please.
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05:30<stuart>where do i "reportbug synaptic"?
05:30<twb>Where do you run commands normally?
05:30<twb>In a fish and chippery?
05:30<witte>stuart, in a terminal
05:31<witte>stuart, ok i installed synaptic, and I am going to try to reproduce the bug
05:31<stuart>really, i thought ity must have been a menu option from a web page lol
05:31<stuart>witte: cool
05:31<twb>I see.
05:31<twb>Web interfaces blow
05:31<stuart>i will report it it witte can reporduce it
05:31<twb>You can verify this at
05:31<jm_>there's reportbug-ng for CLI challenged ;)
05:32<twb>Er, You can verify [that web interface blow] at
05:32<twb>jm_: someone is working on some crazy junk for SoC, yeah?
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05:33<twb>bug-triage hit Sid today
05:33<witte>stuart: I have no default repositories in synaptic, how do you add those (I usually don't use synaptic)
05:33<jm_>twb: it's a GUI tool for submitting bugs
05:34<stuart>witte: hang on just on the phone
05:36<stuart>witte: sorry... just let me look again
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05:38<witte>twb: what do you mean with bug-triage hit sid?
05:38<twb>witte: it entered sid
05:38<stuart>witte: settings > repositories gets you some repo action. By default u should have at least 1 CD there plus I think the main "official" and security repos. I guess becuase you already have an installation -- maybe your list is not the default i had
05:39<witte>ok, and that default pointed to sarge, right after installation?
05:39<stuart>no it was etch
05:39<stuart>it changed to sarge
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05:40<stuart>can u see the installation media tab?
05:40<witte>euhm, no
05:40<stuart>from Settings > Repositories
05:41<witte>yes, but no tabs
05:41<witte>can you do a dpkg -l |grep synaptic
05:42<stuart>really.. i have 3 tabs: the other 2 being internet upodates and authentication
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05:42<witte>none, maybe we have a different version
05:42<witte>can you try the command i gave?
05:43<witte>ii synaptic
05:43<stuart>whats a URL for one of those sites that lets you paste stuff?
05:43<dpkg>Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
05:43<jm_>should be just one line
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05:45<stuart>does that work?
05:45<witte>stuart, yes, and you have the same version
05:46<stuart>must be a preference (thou the defualt for me)
05:46<stuart>so you have an add button tho?
05:47<witte>I will make a printscreen
05:49<witte>I will put mine online ;-)
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05:51<dpkg>methinks screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd
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05:53<stuart>ok ill do one that "shows" the problem
05:53<witte>sorry for the delay ;-)
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05:56<stuart> shows my tabs
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05:57<stuart> the sarge issue via add
05:58<stuart>i like picpaste
05:58<witte>stuart: this is really strange
05:58<stuart>what do you mean?
05:58<witte>we had the same version
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05:58<stuart>yeah i know. mine installed at installation time via a netinst CD
05:59<stuart>it must be a preference... a view or something
05:59<witte>yes, but the versions are the same, they should do the same
05:59<witte>the view could be different
05:59<witte>but you should have the same buttons
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06:00<stuart>the only thing significant i can think of that i changed was i elected to delete packages from disk after installing
06:00<stuart>lemme see if that changes things...
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06:01<witte>stuart, that shouldn't make a difference
06:01<witte>in any case, i have no idea why this is
06:01<witte>and i am hungry, so i am going to eat ;-)
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06:01<witte>for now, just don't add repositories like that, and probalby you should file a bug against this with reportbug
06:02<witte>you can use my screenshot as evidence :-)
06:02<stuart>ok will do
06:03<stuart>so you dont see any "sarge" options for repos?
06:03<witte>I do not see any options
06:03<witte>i have to type everything myself :-)
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06:04<witte>ok, dinner time, ciao
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06:05<stuart> 8) #354948: synaptic: Opening "Settings"->"Repositories" does not work if package update-manager is installed
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06:06<twb>Isn't update-manager some Ubuntu weenie thing?
06:06<stuart>how do i i find a description of a bug?
06:06<jm_>you can use querybts
06:06<stuart>whatever it is came with debian 4
06:06<twb>stuart: type 8 RET
06:06<twb>stuart: type ? RET for more help.
06:06<stuart>isnt it just like the win xp thing that reminds you updates are available?
06:06<twb>stuart: I think it's a clone of OS X junk
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06:07<stuart>8 ret in the terminall? (bash command not found)
06:09<fxiny>are you running gnome ?
06:10<stuart>the querybts command worked. The bug is different from mine
06:10<stuart>yes fxiny
06:11<stuart>but i installed konqueror (and maybe some other KDE stuff tooo - eg. K3B)
06:11<twb>stuart: RET means the Return or Enter key, or Control + m
06:11<fxiny>stuart: is update-manager a kind of applet on the upper rigth corner ?
06:11<twb>I think so
06:11<stuart>so do i
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06:13<stuart>Desktop > Administration lists the update thing for me
06:15<stuart>anyway, thanks everyone for your help - going to go eat some dinner
06:15<fxiny>stuart: yes it is . i'm sure it pops up a window to warn for updates
06:15<stuart>yes it does
06:15<stuart>im pretty sure
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07:00<sfm|sholva>hi, is there someone who use multi screen on kdm - kde ?
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07:01<sfm|sholva>hmpf :(
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07:02<lupine>you still working on that#
07:02<sfm|sholva>hehe not really, because i tried it now in kde
07:02<sfm|sholva>and its the same
07:03<hazard2>is there any kind of performence diffrence between using say, a 486 kernel vs a k7/686 kernel on a k7 cpu?
07:04<lupine>won't be huge, though
07:04<hazard2>(for that matter, would the k7 kernel care if its run on a non k7 cpu?)
07:04<lupine>k7 kernel won't run on a 486, will run on anything it's age or newer
07:04<hazard2>I've figured that out
07:05<hazard2>"some" difference in what respects?
07:05<sfm|sholva>but now i have some crazy things on kde, for example i open at the left screen firefox, at the taskbar firefox is displayed as "firefox opening" or starting or what ever, and also at the right screen theres at the taskbar these entry with that firefox starting , its not only by firefox it happend with all programms, even if i start it at the right screen the taskbar thing is than at the left screen, after a while i think 10 seks
07:05<sfm|sholva>the entry is removed on the incorrect screen
07:05<lupine>well, the code will have k7-specific optimisations. so it'll be using MMX, maybe 3DNow. perhaps some custom tweaks for that particular CPU
07:06<lupine>there are probably benchmarks
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07:07<lupine>mm, kicker (the KDE panel) is a bit weird like that
07:07<lupine>you can configure it to only show stuff happening in the appropriate desktop, IIRC
07:07<sfm|sholva>ufm u know how ?
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07:08<lupine>kcontrol -> desktop -> taskbar
07:08<lupine>uncheck "show windows from all desktops"
07:08<lupine>if it's already unchecked, then kicker simply isn't multi-screen aware
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07:10<sfm|sholva>hmmmmm ok how is "kcontrol" ? i tried to starting it in a root shell but than an error appears that it cant connect to the :0.0 display
07:10<lupine>just start it as a normal user. alt-f2, type kcontrol in the box that appears, hit enter
07:11<sfm|sholva>tried it works
07:12<sfm|sholva>hm i unchecked it
07:12<sfm|sholva>but doesnt worked :P
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07:14<sfm|sholva>i hade it :)
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07:21<serge>Hello! I set up my Etch 4.0 as application server. Diskless stations booting from it OK. But, when I'm trying to get X from my PC ( X -query :1 ) it shows only X-cursor on black bg, but no xdm login.
07:22<serge>My console shows: AUDIT: Thu Jul 19 15:17:22 2007: 2684 X: client 1 rejected from IP
07:22<serge>Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
07:22<serge>Fatal server error:
07:22<serge>XDMCP fatal error: Session failed session 323472007 failed for display Cannot open display
07:23<serge>p.s. it works ok when I'm trying to get the same way configured server on FC4..
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07:24<serge>Can anybody help me pls?
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07:52<Challado>hello friends
07:53<twb>Challado: don't be too sure about that, pal.
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07:54<Ten>hi Challado
07:54<Challado>If I don't have friends in the Free Software community, how are the place that I will have friends?
07:55<twb>Challado: I meant that I am cruel and ornery.
07:55<Challado>Well, follow my question. (Hi ten)
07:56<Challado>I'm a old linux user. I only know the devfs and old modprobe.conf way of life
07:57<Challado>Now, with the Etch and your "new udev", I don't know the way to pass parameters to the modules
07:57<jm_>old Linux users don't know about devfs
07:57<azeem>Challado: modprobe.d
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07:57<jm_>Challado: man modprobe
07:57<twb>Surely modprobe.conf is replaced by /etc/modules; modprobe.d/ is only for maintainers?
07:57<fxiny>say man mutt even today and i'll kill myself ;)
07:57<stew>Challado: and man modprobe.conf
07:58<tralala>modprobe.d is not only for maintainers
07:58<stew>twb: modprobe.d is just modprobe.conf split up into multiple files, like sources.list and sources.list.d which can co-exist
07:58<Challado>azeem, I try these
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07:58<Challado>But the module are loaded by udev rules
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07:59<twb>They are?
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07:59<Challado>in the etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
08:01<Challado>These line in /etc/modprobe.conf doesn't work
08:01<Challado>options e1000 XsumRX=1 debug=16
08:01<Challado>The module are load without offload checksum support
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08:01<jcdubacq>I am using aptitude, and I have put some packages on hold
08:02<jcdubacq>I cannot "unhold" them
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08:02<twb>jcdubacq: +
08:02<fxiny>aptitude unhold <packagename>
08:03<jcdubacq>e.g. aptitude search ~i~ahold (some packages displayed) ; aptitude unhold 'oneofthepackages'; aptitude search ~i~ahold (same packages displayed)
08:03<fxiny> + is for leet dselect users :P
08:03<jm_>Challado: is it loaded by your initr* image?
08:03<fxiny>twb: ;)
08:04<twb>aptitude unhold ~i
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08:04<twb>jcdubacq: damn, your aptitude-fu is better
08:05<jcdubacq>twb: already tried; however, it looks like + works
08:05<jm_>then the options in modprobe.d work just fine
08:05<Challado>I configure the parameter MODULES in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf to load only the modules listed in "listed modules list"
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08:06<tester>hi, if i'm trying to get kernel headers for an old kernel can i just extract the source to /usr/src/linux and point what i'm trying to compile to it?
08:06<tester>or does the kernel have to be compiled for that to work using that source
08:07<valdyn>tester: not compiled but configured
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08:07<Challado>jm_: Doesn't exist a way to pass this module parameter in the udev rule?
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08:08<jm_>Challado: nope
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08:08<tester>valdyn is there a way to getthe current config from the running kernel? i dont have the .config from it
08:08<Challado>jm_: Ouch...
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08:09<valdyn>tester: /proc/config.gz
08:09<tester>thanks valdyn
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08:10<Challado>jm_: and if I try to put these module in blacklist, and load the module by modprobe.conf?
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08:10<tester>valdyn i dont have a config.gz in /proc
08:11<jm_>Challado: you mean by modules? you can specify module options in there
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08:11<Challado>jm_: /etc/modules?
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08:12<Challado>jm_: Nope. I don't try these
08:12<tester>anyone know what to do if you inhaled a bunch of asbestos
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08:13<cahoot>stop smoking
08:13<tester>i dont already
08:14<stew>tester: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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08:15<tester>thanks stew
08:15<cahoot>tester, not much one can do
08:15<tester>cahoot, bad news i was next to the stupid pipe explosion in ny yesterday
08:15<stew>tester: don't ask us. ask a doctor
08:17<tester>tahts crazy talk
08:17<twb>Did someone call for crazy?
08:17<stew>nobody called for Cretans
08:18<twb>I'm multi-talented
08:18<tester>hey stew where would i put this config so that i can compile modules?
08:18<tester>i put it in /usr/src/linux-2.4.27 where i extracted the source
08:19<tester>doesn't seem to work
08:19<azeem>out-of-tree modules?
08:19<valdyn>tester: where are you not using the kernel-headers from debian?
08:19<stew>tester: what does "uname -r" say?
08:20<peyman>which vim package includes the +X11 support?
08:20<valdyn>tester: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
08:20<stew>tester: you should upgrade to 2.4.27-3-386 and install kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386
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08:21<twb>peyman: aptitude search ~nvim~Dx11
08:21<twb>I'm surprised there isn't a qt version
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08:22<sfm|sholva>grrrrrrrrrrr i get crazy.... lupine
08:22<sfm|sholva>are u there ?
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08:22<twb>I'm a lagomorph!
08:23<tester>stew what doyou mean upgrade exactly?
08:23<peyman>twb: thanks for that, but can you explain what does ~ mean? (I just wanna learn :-))
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08:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+'
08:23<jm_>peyman: install aptitude-doc and read
08:24<tester>stew compile the -3 kernel?
08:24<sfm|sholva>i have running kde and all my programms are fading in when i open it, i cant disable it, if i go to effekts the field is unchecked to use animations how can i disable it ?
08:24<twb>peyman: it lists all packages with "vim" in their name and a dependency on a package matching "x11".
08:25<twb>sfm|sholva: ctrl + alt + f1
08:25<stew>tester: no, just install it
08:25<peyman>thank you
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08:25<sfm|sholva>what do you want me on console mode ?
08:25<sfm|sholva>nice triy twb
08:26<twb>Because ttys do not suffer from wanky, useless GUI effects
08:26<twb>Thus, it is a quick way to "disable" them.
08:26<tester>stew the image? and then reboot?
08:27<stew>tester: the kernel-image and the kernel-headers, and reboot, then you should be able to compile your module against the -headers
08:27<tester>you can also disable them by gouging out your eyes
08:27<twb>They'd still be there
08:27<twb>You just wouldn't see them
08:27<twb>If you had a friend or co-worker, they would suffer
08:27<tester>stew what if i really don't want to reboot is there anyway to install headers with out the kernel-headers deb?
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08:28<stew>tester: no, but why not use the kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 package?
08:28<valdyn>tester: do you really have a good reason why you cant reboot?
08:28<stew>tester: (and note that the reason that you should upgrade to -3 is that it is a security update to -2)
08:29<tester>stew i couldn't find it :/
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08:30<tester>how did you do that some kind of magic?
08:31<twb>tester: we're all magicians here
08:32<zeridon>NerdList v 0.6 by Elena ``of Valhalla''
08:32<zeridon>*** !nerd nick reason ***
08:32<zeridon>add a reason why nick is a nerd
08:32<zeridon>*** !nerdlist num
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08:33<twb>I wish every channel had that
08:33<twb>Built into chanserv or whatever
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08:34<sfm|sholva>so nobody can help me ?
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08:34<stew>zeridon: don't do that again
08:34<dpkg>Test Failed.
08:34<CloseCall>any bluetooth guru's arround ?
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08:35<twb>!test -e /etc/passwd
08:35<dpkg>Testing -e /etc/passwd... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$
08:35<zeridon>stew, i learned it the hard way sorry
08:35<zeridon>it was not intentional
08:36<tester>well the compile failed but at least it's not cause i'm missing the headers
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08:41<DTE>hi all
08:41<RobbyBanks>Howdy every¹
08:41<DTE>is there some method to tune the ocfs2?
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08:43<tester>thanks for the help guys
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08:44<ika84>valaki beszel magyarul?
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08:44<dpkg>rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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09:00<yinghao>i want to run XEN, do i have to recompile my kernel and restart the sever?
09:01<tralala>debian distributes xen kernels, so you don't have to compile
09:02<yinghao>but i thought debian has standard the old xen version
09:02<yinghao>that not virtualizes windows
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09:02<yinghao>so i had to recompile
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09:04<qrt>I have a file made by Revelation password manager and I need to open it in Windows, does anyone know how I can do that?
09:05<alex_>qrt, google should
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09:06<qrt>alex_: I stfw but didn't find anything useful, I also asked on and didn't get any answer.
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09:15<serge>Can anybody tell me or point any info resourse how to do packet installation of Debian? Say, I already have properly configured server, now I need to setup quickly similar sever on the other hardware...
09:15<RobbyBanks>man dpkg
09:15<RobbyBanks>this will explain some stuff
09:15<zeridon>serge, rsync will do just fine
09:16<zeridon>serge, or the other way is debootstrap followed by apt-get install `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}'`
09:16<zeridon>where the dpkg is issued on the first machine and the output is copied
09:17<zeridon>but frankly said i will go with the rsync
09:17<serge>rsync... i'm not sure..
09:17<serge>the hardware is not the exactly same...
09:18<jMCg>Then rsync is probably not the bestest of all ideas.
09:18<jMCg>The first one makes more sense.
09:19<jMCg>But you can use rsync or csync2 to distribute configurations.. and with csync2 you can issue actions to be done after an 'update'..
09:19<jMCg>One of those could be apt-get install..
09:19<serge>well, it looks for me that I need to save the list of packages. Next I need to feed this list during new system install. How?
09:19<zeridon>debootstrap ... config etc.
09:19<zeridon>this is the basic install ...
09:19<serge>well, let me read man dpkg ....
09:19<zeridon>then apt-get install ...
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09:20<Rajohan>someone here can help me with some tcl?
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09:23<serge>I'm experienced to RH and FC, but quite new to Debian. I can't see man debootstrap... Where can I read some piece of info about it?
09:24<zeridon>!search man debootstrap
09:25<serge>:) thanks
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09:29<pauvre10m>oups sorry
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09:33<stew>serge: is debootstrap isntalled?
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10:02<manphiz>Glade-3's situation is quite convoluted currently, which can't enter testing because of lacking some packages which didn't belong to it any more. Is it gonna be taken care of?
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10:06<kinus>hey, when i want to use bootsplash, i need to download "full" kernel or maybe i can use package for debian?
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10:08<stew>manphiz: exactly which packages are you talking about?
10:08<stew>manphiz: it doesn't look like its being held up by any other packages, it just isn't yet built on all arches:
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10:09<stew>manphiz: or are you saying that the fact that it is missing binaries is broken?
10:10<manphiz>stew, check this: , and pay attention to the "Binary Packages" section on the left. It's clear that from 3.2.2 the packages it claiming missing is no longer part or it.
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10:10<manphiz>stew, and there is a remove request for package "glade", which should include glade-2 and glade-gnome-2 indeed.
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10:12<stew>manphiz: i'd ask #debian-release
10:12<manphiz>stew, thanks :)
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10:21<kinus>how can i disable system bell?
10:23<fxiny>xset -b or modprob -r pcspkr
10:24<fxiny>btw how's grub today , did you edit menu.lst ?
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10:24<kinus>grub sux.. (for me) and i installed lilo..
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10:27<cmot>Ok, this is on Debian, but the Q is not debian specific (sorry... #apache on FreeNode doesn't answer :-(
10:28<cmot>How can I hide some files from apache's content negotiation?
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10:29<cmot>I just created some web pages with wml (.html and .wml in the same dir), and this works just fine against Konq and firefox, but apache insists on serving the .wml file to MSIE :-(
10:29<cmot>Even when I set the mime-type to something like application/x-unparseable
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10:44<Darksmurf>Trying to setup NAT on Debian Etch w/ stock 2.6.18 kernel. @ they list a series of lines that go in /etc/network/interfaces and mention a file that needs to be edited. Is that really all there is to it? I thought last time I did this it was a whole lot more work.
10:45<Darksmurf>it seems to me that I could test those changes by manually setting up my 2nd nic via ifconfig and running the iptables command from the console (after enabling kernel routing) right?
10:45<g3o>hello , i need a little help , how can i login in root ?
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10:46<Darksmurf>g30 are you able to get to a console? if so, you can run 'su' to gain root privileges
10:47<Darksmurf>i.e. login as another user
10:47<g3o>yes but when i click on swith user , i cant see root ... or smth ...
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10:48<g3o>the thing is taht i want to install msn messenger , 8 , i installed wine ,then i click to browse the exe file , i cant find it , i think i need root priviliges right ?
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10:48<Darksmurf>ah. so you are trying to login via a graphical login screen? One that lists users on the machine?
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10:49<Darksmurf>I would think you could SEE the file even if you are not root, but it could be that wine wants you to be root to run it (although I doubt it).
10:50<g3o>okay ... the file exe is on the desktop
10:50<Darksmurf>are you able to open a terminal program? if so try...
10:50<g3o>when i run it with wine-safe
10:50<g3o>it says its not win xp ... n doesnt install it
10:50<g3o>tho i configuired wine while i ran it to win xp
10:51<g3o>i can run root terminal
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10:51<Darksmurf>shouldn't need to
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10:51<Darksmurf>sorry, I'm not that familar with wine...
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10:52<Darksmurf>I need to go...yard work is calling :-( good luck g3o
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10:54<jamrojo>i want use scp without password
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10:54<jamrojo>i read this but i can´t
10:55<linuxaddict_>any good books on netcat?
10:55<linuxaddict_>excluding man pages.
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10:56<amphi>linuxaddict_: there are lots of examples you can glean info from
10:57<fxiny>netcat ? se the bible , the genesis ...
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10:57<linuxaddict_>looks like netcat is the bomb
10:58<linuxaddict_>thanks folks.
11:02<linuxaddict_>i have left the ms world, its been 1 year now and i wont go back :D
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11:06<limcore>how a person without public IP can give me shell access to his box?
11:06<g3o>where can i find and run an application taht i installed with wine ?
11:07<limcore>g3o: sometimes KDE menu > wine > ..
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11:07<g3o>limcore, im workin on gnome
11:08<entuall>g3o: wine /path/to.exe
11:08<twb>linuxaddict_: a less effusive nick might be advisable, for when you become jaded.
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11:10<fxiny>g3o: apt-cache show gaim amsn
11:11<jMCg>I just read apt-cash cow gaim amsn
11:11<twb>jMCg: --moo
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11:12<g3o>i got a big list of dunno wut
11:12<g3o>actually i installed msn 5 for win 2000 , with wine
11:12<g3o>so cant find it now :s
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11:14<entuall>g3o, you should think about amsn or gaim
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11:15<g3o>okay ... im downloading amsn now :) hope u'll guide me coz installing it :p wasnt a real success
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11:17<linuxaddict_>amsn should be an available package?
11:17<fxiny>g3o: downloading ? you mean : aptitude install amsn ?
11:17<linuxaddict_>sudo apt-get install amsn
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11:18<g3o>working :)
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11:21<g3o>what is the best alternative for winamp on linux ?
11:21<g3o>debian precisely ..
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11:21<bartm>g3o: mpg123 :)
11:21<twb>He asked me to define jaded
11:21<Darksmurf>g3o take a look at mpd
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11:22<twb>g3o: xmms closely mimics winamp
11:22<Darksmurf>g3o not an exact replacement by any means, but very cool
11:22<twb>However, mpd and xmms2 are BETTER
11:22<cahoot>but aqualung is cooler
11:22<bartm>can I wrap a script that reads from /dev/tty so that input is read from a file (or stdin)?
11:23<fxiny>aqualung ? jethro ?
11:23<g3o>oky thanks :)
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11:23<twb>bartm: cat </dev/tty
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11:24<fxiny>i see no aqualung
11:24<bartm>twb: ?
11:24<twb>fxiny: it's in sid
11:24<cahoot>fxiny, might be sid only atm
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11:24<twb>fxiny: it seems locked into a single GUI
11:25<fxiny>i MUST move then ;)
11:25<twb>Not very useful for headless or tty users
11:25<cahoot>fxiny, it is a matter of coolness
11:25<fxiny>cahoot: :)
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11:25<g3o>XMMS is KEwl :D
11:25<fxiny>cahoot: with a name like that must be VERY COOL
11:26<twb>cahoot: looks dumb
11:26<cahoot>and as a bonus - not widely known
11:26<twb>g3o: actually, install beep-media-player
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11:26<twb>g3o: that's probably what you'd prefer if you want a pure winamp clone
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11:26<cahoot>twb, you're entitled to your opinion
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11:27<fxiny>twb: you're entitled to your opinion
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11:27<twb>Have you ever been in an aqualung?
11:27<twb>It's not cool
11:27<twb>It's bloody claustraphobic
11:28<twb>The water keeps rising as you go down
11:28<fxiny>cahoot: youngsters ;)
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11:28<fxiny>twb: :)
11:28<cahoot>right so gimp is out of your question too?
11:28<twb>Anything that is "skinnable" is bad design
11:28[~]twb has spoken
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11:29<fxiny>like zara&thugs&tra
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11:30<twb>I was thinking more like $deity
11:30<g3o>about bmpx , apt-get install bmpx , its saying couldnt find it .... tho i installed it n unpacked it
11:30<twb>g3o: you should use aptitude instead of apt-get, because the latter keeps logfiles.
11:31<g3o>english ? :s
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11:32<twb>g3o: it means later when you go "aaaaah, I can't boot!!!" you can look back and find out why
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11:32<twb>It also has a bunch of extra functionality, but you don't need it right now
11:32<twb>logging pays off
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11:32<g3o>i still dont understand anything really sorry im a debia noos :s
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11:34<fxiny>cahoot: hahahah . i'm looking at aqualung screenshots on freshmeat : hehehehh .KING CRIMSOM larks toungues in aspic , that's 1975 at least , maybe 1974
11:34<twb>If I could saw open your cranium and squirt in gobs of knowledge, I would.
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11:34<twb>As it is, we have to do things the hard way
11:34<twb>(My saw broke)
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11:36<Darksmurf>Trying to setup NAT on etch w/ stock 2.6.18 kernel. says I only need to enable kernel ip forwarding, setup the 2nd nic w/ an IP, etc in /etc/network/interfaces and run a single iptables command. Is that really all it takes now adays? Last time I did this I thought I had to do a whole lot more. Does the stock kernel have ip_forwarding enabled? Can I test these changes by setting up the nic via ifconfig?
11:38<g3o>twb, well ... i still have the problem my software is not installed , and can u explain the bott thingy problem plz :)
11:39<twb>g3o: what are you trying to install? bmpx?
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11:39<g3o>yes :)
11:39[~]Darksmurf has his linux box connected to the cable modem. and his desktop connected to the net via his cell phone. gotta love lag..
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11:39<Darksmurf>could someone /ping me?
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11:40<g3o> sec
11:40<g3o>2.5 sec
11:40<twb>g3o: what release are you using? Lenny?
11:41<g3o>bmpx 0.40 RC2
11:41<twb>Which release OF DEBIAN
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11:42<g3o>the latest 40r0 downlaoded it yesterday i386
11:42<frank>Darksmurf: forwarding is enabled through proc
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11:42<twb>OK, Etch, then.
11:42<frank> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
11:42<twb>g3o: please pastebin the exact output of the command "aptitude install bmpx"
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11:43<g3o>debian:/home/g3o# apt-get install bmpx
11:43<g3o>Reading package lists... Done
11:43<g3o>Building dependency tree... Done
11:43<g3o>E: Couldn't find package bmpx
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11:44<twb>I said pasteBIN
11:44<g3o>oops sory for the flood :s
11:44<g3o>twd i dunno wut pasteBIN is :$
11:44<dpkg>Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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11:45<twb>g3o: now, please pastebin the output of the command "cat /etc/apt/sources.list".
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11:45<fxiny>hmmm , aqualung wants GTK+ version >= 2.6
11:46<madmantm>Quick question, lets say i need a new version of libc6, i go to the debian packages website, download the new ones, and i get dependencies issue, is there a way to quick fix to get the new versions?
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11:47<twb>madmantm: aptitude upgrade libc6
11:48<madmantm>damn that was easy :(
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11:48<g3o>twb :)
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11:48<twb>g3o: OK, you need to configure your system to download packages from the net.
11:49<twb>bmpx isn't on the first DVD
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11:49<twb>As root, run the command: echo deb etch main contrib >>/etc/apt/sources.list
11:49<twb>As root, run the command: aptitude update
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11:50<madmantm>wierd, i still get dependencies issues
11:51<twb>madmantm: specifically?
11:51<madmantm>even after the libc6 upgrade
11:51<madmantm>i try to install fuse
11:51<frank>madmantm: what exactly do you do, you hopefully know, that libc is the most essential lib
11:52<madmantm>i am trying to get acetoneiso to work
11:52<madmantm>asks for libfuse2
11:52<madmantm>and fuseiso
11:52<g3o>twb done
11:52<madmantm>i got both, when i try to install them, i get libc6 errors
11:52<twb>aptitude install fuseiso
11:52<twb>g3o: ok, now try to install bmpx again
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11:52<madmantm>No candidate version found for fuseiso
11:53<twb>madmantm: oh, that's only in Sid.
11:53<twb>madmantm: the best way to install it would be to backport from sid, rather than compiling the upstream source.
11:53<madmantm>should i get sid instead
11:53<twb>madmantm: are you running Lenny or Etch?
11:54<twb>You probably don't want Sid.
11:54<dpkg>methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ...
11:54<twb>That should get you started on backporting.
11:54<g3o>sorry gtg :s will come laterz , work work work
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11:55<madmantm>aw shi* i think something is messedup
11:55<madmantm>konqueror now opens my stuff
11:55<madmantm>time to re-install i guess.
11:55<twb>madmantm: that's a bit of a cop out
11:56<twb>madmantm: why not try to UNDERSTAND what went wrong so it won't recur?
11:56<madmantm>well, i think acetoneiso downloaded those kde packages
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11:56<madmantm>i could remove them and fix the issue
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11:58<madmantm>i fixed it
11:58<madmantm>i am sorry for the quick move on things
11:59<Darksmurf>I have net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1
11:59<Darksmurf>instaead of net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf same thing?
12:00<madmantm>i will brb
12:00<madmantm>see if i did not messed up things
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12:11<madmantm>thanks for the help
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12:11<qrt>I have a file made by Revelation password manager and I need to open it in Windows, does anyone know how I can do that?
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12:19<madmantm>quick question again, i have compiled fuseiso, i know that its not in the good place, where should i put its libraries so it can be detected by the programs that need it?
12:19<bahamat>hey, can anyone give me a hand with saslauthd? I've configured it to auth against LDAP but it's not even attempting to contact my ldap server, it just fails
12:19<madmantm>forget it
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12:25<test>where are the files that keep information about packages that are on HOLD
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12:26<twb>test: aptitude search ~i~ahold
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12:27<test>actually it prints nothing , but i get xxx packages has been held back
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12:29<kinus>how can i check if now i support frame buffer?
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12:37<twb>test: that's probably done by conflict resolution
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12:41<test>twb, i downloaded the debian source package of the package
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12:42<test>twb, applied few patches and used rules script to create the package
12:42<test>but it's the same ver
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12:48<twb>test: I get around that by changing the version to something like NNN+twb or NNN+backport
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12:54<Rajohan>puts $fs "$infile $date" <-- someone know whats wrong? (tcl script)
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12:56<test>twb, in what file do you change it
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13:28<Tigger_>now i've not used debian for a while ... just done a fresh install after many months but it's been fun compiling graphics driver and ndsiwrapper and so on lol
13:29<endriu>jest tu jakis polaczek?
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13:29<dpkg>well, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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13:31[~]fxiny sends a second hand perl candle to dpkg
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13:45<meek>hi i have a headphone jack sense problem
13:46<meek>i am running Debian Etch
13:46<meek>when I insert my headphone jack, sound still come from the laptop speakers
13:46<meek>how do i troubleshoot this problem? need help
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13:49<Tigger_>hi i filed a bug report yesterday with reportbug, however it does not apear to have sent it
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13:49<Tigger_>is there a file with it stored somewhere so i can try and send it again
13:51<Tigger_>or do i have to report a bug on reportbug also now lol
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14:21<quickshiftin>hello all, im new to debian
14:21<quickshiftin>do a user have to be in a group account in order to gain root access on debian ?
14:22<stew>quickshiftin: no, debian doesn't by default have the concept of a 'wheel' group
14:22<quickshiftin>in gentoo there is the wheel group; which a user must belong to in order to get root access
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14:31<debiantion>does someone know a white hat channel?
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14:34<enry>hello somebody know if an adactator Com/Usb can work over debian?
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14:35<meek>i am new to debian
14:35<debiantion><meek> hello
14:35<debiantion><meek> welcome to debian :)
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14:35<meek>i am having a problem with headphone jack sense :(
14:35<meek>when I insert my headphone jack, sound still come from the laptop speakers
14:35<Tigger_>meek: welcome
14:36<meek>how do i troubleshoot this problem? need help
14:36<debiantion><meek> do you use gnome?
14:36<meek>yes, i use gnome
14:36<meek>when i run alsamixer
14:36<meek>i see only master and pcm
14:36<meek>i don't see any headphone
14:36<debiantion><meek> let me understand the probel is that you here the microphon through your speakers?
14:37<meek>also in volume control properites, there is no headphone jack sense like i had in ubuntu
14:37<debiantion>sorry for my bad english
14:37<meek>no microphone
14:37<meek>only headphone
14:37<meek>i connect the headphone to laptop
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14:37<meek>but i get sound from laptop speaker. i don't get sound from headphone
14:37<debiantion>enter to the volume control
14:38<meek>ok, next?
14:38<debiantion>Edit-> *
14:38<debiantion>Headphone Jack Sense
14:39<debiantion>check it
14:39<meek>in Edit > there is only Preferences > Master, PCM, Capture
14:39<debiantion>tic it
14:39<meek>Headphone jack sense is not present
14:39<debiantion>what the...?
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14:39<debiantion>did you enter to the Preferences?
14:39<meek>i am using Debian 4.0 Etch
14:39<debiantion>still you got to have it
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14:40<the_bull>hey all!
14:40<debiantion>did you enter to the Edit ->Preferences?
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14:40<the_bull>is there ny one who is using PHLAK?
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14:40<debiantion>can you see there a "Headphone Jack Sense" title?
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14:41<madmantm>quick question, what is the name of the gnome login manager, where you enter login and password
14:41<debiantion><meek> hello?!?
14:41<madmantm>i am trying to get this packaged but i am not finding it
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14:41<meek>i can't see any "headphone jack sense" title
14:42<meek>edit > preferencs > master, pcm, capture
14:42<the_bull>hello.. is there nyone using PHLAK?
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14:43<debiantion><the_bull> PHLAK is still supported?
14:43<the_bull>deadlygopher, why not supported
14:43<debiantion><meek> strange
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14:43<madmantm>i dont have the tool to manage them
14:44<the_bull>deadlygopher, do u want to mean that.. there is no repository or something like that for phlak??
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14:45<debiantion><the_bull> hmm there is no new versions
14:45<reese>Help, please... I'm about to try and revive an old windows box (P2, 233mhz) by loading it with linux. My experience to date is only with ubuntu, kubuntu, cassandra and bianca. FIRST, I need to figure out if this HD is good or not.
14:45<debiantion><the_bull> hmm there is no new versions since 2005...
14:45<debiantion><meek> do you hava alsa installed?
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14:46<the_bull>deadlygopher, right
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14:46<debiantion>Recent Related News
14:46<debiantion> • 2005-10-12: Development Release: PHLAK "LittleBoy" Beta 1
14:46<debiantion> • 2005-05-07: Distribution Release: PHLAK 0.3
14:46<the_bull>deadlygopher, that`s why i asked... if there is nyone who is using phlak
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14:46<debiantion>see? the recent news are from 2005
14:46<the_bull>nyway, i hv a strange problem...
14:47<the_bull>when i install ny distro...
14:47<the_bull>installation is ok
14:47<the_bull>but, after running some time...
14:47<the_bull>it stalled and restart...
14:47<the_bull>nd.. the thing is...
14:47<debiantion><the_bull> maybe you have got a memory problem?
14:48<the_bull>always, it cannot boot.. moreover.. it shows to check fsck manually
14:48<debiantion><the_bull> try to run mem test
14:48<debiantion><meek> hmmm still thinking
14:48<the_bull>deadlygopher, but i hv no problem regarding windows in my machine...
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14:49<the_bull>deadlygopher, nd sometimes... my computer cannot recognize my hdd
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14:49<debiantion><meek> do you have alsa-utils installed?
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14:50<debiantion><the_bull> so maybe your hard drive it broken?
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14:51<debiantion><madmantm> hmmm do you have gdm installed?
14:51<reese>Any suggestions at all from anyone? (I'm about to try and revive an old windows box (P2, 233mhz) by loading it with linux. My experience to date is only with ubuntu, kubuntu, cassandra and bianca. FIRST, I need to figure out if this HD is trashed).
14:52<the_bull>deadlygopher, how can i know that, the problem is in hard drive?
14:52<debiantion><reese> hmm maybe you should try using light window manger
14:52<stew>debiantion: btw, when you use <someone> it appears that you are trying to (mis)quote them
14:52<madmantm>yes i have gdm installed
14:52<madmantm>but when i go to the desktop/administration/login i do not see it
14:53<madmantm>so i can switch themes.
14:53<Rajohan> <-- how can i get out the username of the client that are running the script? proc expire{username} { wont give me it...
14:53<madmantm>or modify settings..
14:53<debiantion><stew> sorry how do i fix it?
14:53<stew>debiantion: your irc client is doing that?
14:53<frank>madmantm: try gdmsetup
14:54<the_bull>nyone? how can i test that.. my hard disk has problem?
14:54<debiantion><stew> no i'm just checking with my mouse the nickname and past it with middel mouse
14:54<madmantm>Failed to connect to socket, sleep 1 second and retry
14:54<madmantm> Trying failed command again. Try 2 of 5.
14:54<the_bull>i checked with badblocks.. but nothing found there
14:54<stew>debiantion: hit st<tab> and it should write "stew: " for you
14:54<debiantion><the_bull> try fsc with a live cd
14:55<debiantion>stew, wow cool
14:55<debiantion>stew, thanks
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14:56<the_bull>deadlygopher, fsc?
14:56<debiantion>reese, dont try to run gnome. run Xfce or something like that
14:56<the_bull>deadlygopher, what fsc?
14:56<debiantion>reese, a light Desktop environment
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14:57<debiantion>the_bull, fsck command would check you hard drive
14:58<debiantion>the_bull, fsck - check and repair a Linux file system
14:58<debiantion>the_bull, see man fsck.
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14:58<debiantion>the_bull, but remember to run it from a live cd k?
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14:59<the_bull>deadlygopher, run when...
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14:59<the_bull>debiantion, run when?
14:59<the_bull>deadlygopher, after booting?
14:59<the_bull>deadlygopher, after booting?
14:59<reese><debiantion>thanks... I couldn't boot any other live cd's, so I booted knoppix. with knoppix, the unit will run, surf the web, open a terminal and run various commands
15:00<the_bull>debiantion, after booting?
15:00<the_bull>deadlygopher, sorry man!!
15:00<debiantion>the_bull, no,
15:00<debiantion>the_bull, run the live cd
15:00<debiantion>the_bull, then run fsck
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15:01<the_bull>deadlygopher, kk
15:01<debiantion>the_bull, need to go
15:01<the_bull>debiantion, kk
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15:18<donfede>is wx 2.8 in debian (testing / unstale) ? a quick search from the Packages web page only shows up to wx2.6
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15:50<bloodsurfer>kann mir bitte einer sagen, wo ich nen tut zum benutzerumgebung wechseln finde?
15:50<dpkg>methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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15:51<bloodsurfer>so, can someone tell me where to find a tutorial to change the desktop environment from gnome to kde?
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15:52<bloodsurfer>couldnt find anything
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15:52<frank>no need for a tutorial on that, just install e.g. kdebase and kdm (or keep gdm)
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15:53<frank>you can configure your login manager to start the environment you want
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15:55<bloodsurfer>i've just installed the kde package via apt-get and it told me i need to download few more libs and parts, so i did. but when i boot the system gnome instead of kde boot, so i think i surly need to configure the x window server but i don't know how to do that
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15:55<frank>so what login manager is started?
15:56<frank>gdm i guess
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15:58<frank>you can configure gdm, either (if enabled) from the login screen or after login by invoking e.g. gksu gdmsetup, there you can choose between environments
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16:00<frank>it is no matter of xorg configuration
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16:01<bloodsurfer>i found a dialog box but i only can chose between different styles of gnome
16:02<jMCg>That's probably because Gnome sucks.
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16:03<bloodsurfer>cant stand gnome either so i wanna change the desktop environment to kde but i dont know how to do
16:04<lupine>install kde, go from there
16:04<jMCg>for i in $(dpkg -l | grep gnome | awk '{print $2}' ) ; dpkg --purge $i ; done
16:04<frank>you can also install kdm if you didn't manage to make gdm what you want, kdm should have kde per default and during install you normally get asked about your preferred/default login manager
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16:04<frank>just choose kdm then
16:05<bloodsurfer>k i'll try
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16:06<bloodsurfer>tyvm for your help. i need to reboot the system
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16:18<schwinn434>anyone here?
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16:19<Xenguy>schwinn434: there usually is, yes
16:19<schwinn434>I have a question
16:20<schwinn434>if someone could point me in the general direction I would greatly appreciated this
16:20<schwinn434>I have a Hp Pavillion DV6000 and I tried to load Debian from DVD I downloaded from the Debian site
16:21<schwinn434>sorry typo
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16:21<schwinn434>Will it seem to load, but when I boot I have problems
16:21<schwinn434>I think I can get into single user mode
16:22<schwinn434>but may have fogotten my password for super user status
16:22<Maulkin>!lost root password
16:22<schwinn434>I know very bad
16:22<DK20563>boot with "linux init=/bin/sh"
16:22<schwinn434>very, very bad
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16:22<DK20563>mount -o remount /
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16:23<DK20563>edit /etc/shadow with an editor (i prefer vi)
16:23<Maulkin>!password reset
16:23<dpkg>[password reset] You can't recover a password but you can reset it. With LILO, enter "linux single init=/bin/bash", then at the shell prompt, "mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /". Then reboot.
16:23<Maulkin>No need to edit /etc/shadow manually
16:23<schwinn434>is there a log file, if I can log on that will give me info about what's hanging the boot up sequence
16:24<DK20563>sry ... just an old habbit :)
16:24<schwinn434>I'm using GRUB
16:24<mitridate>does the current version of nautilus for testing -- 2.18.1-3 -- have tracker support compiled in?
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16:26<Maulkin>schwinn434: should still be similar
16:26<Maulkin>schwinn434: just try "init=/bin/sh"
16:26<DK20563>!schwonn434 you can edit the boot paramters of the boot command through grub
16:26<schwinn434>do I have to run GRUB to enter this command?
16:27<DK20563>no, you can change them at the boot prompt
16:27<DK20563>use 'e' to edit the boot command
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16:29<schwinn434>However, if I do get in, is there a log file that I should be looking for to see my the machine is not boot
16:29<schwinn434>I thank it's hanging at GNOME
16:30<schwinn434>why the machine is not booting -- sorry, another typo
16:30<atterdag>press ALT-CTRL-F1 to get a login prompt
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16:31<atterdag>but there are several files you can check out at /var/log
16:31<schwinn434>yes, please tell me more
16:31<atterdag>does it freeze after or before you log in?
16:32<schwinn434>before, useless I use single user mode
16:32<atterdag>and if you try to open another X session, does it freeze then?
16:32<schwinn434>I seem to get a command line prompt in single user mode
16:33<atterdag>I mean if you log in through another console, and run
16:33<atterdag>startx -- :1
16:33<schwinn434>but can't login as super user to get anything do, because, I apparently forget su password
16:33<atterdag>ok to reset it
16:33<atterdag>dpkg> [password reset] You can't recover a password but you can reset it. With LILO, enter "linux single init=/bin/bash", then at the shell prompt, "mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /". Then reboot.
16:33<schwinn434>haven't tried tried login in through another console
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16:34<schwinn434>I know this is a mess
16:34<schwinn434>sorry for all the dumb questions but do want to run
16:34<schwinn434>Debian AMD64
16:35<atterdag>just try to reset the root pw first. Then we deal the problems afterwards
16:35<schwinn434>ok, I'll try now
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16:41<atterdag>I have a network performance on my lenny server @home. When I download from the *internet* I can only utilize about 128 kbit of my 8 mbit downstream, and when I download/upload inside my LAN I utilize *most* the network bandwidth (100 mbit/s). And because all other boxes on my LAN can utilize all my downstream, I've more or less concluded that it must be some configuration of my lenny box. So I tried disabling my traf
16:41<atterdag>fic shaper, my netfilter rules and I booted from a debian stock kernel, 2.6.21-2-686. But still I have the problem, and I'm all out of ideas.
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16:42<delire>atterdag: sounds like a router issue to me.
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16:43<atterdag>there are no scheduling settings on my router
16:43<dwon>atterdag: If you're using a 10/100 Mbps switch, and you have both 10 Mbps and 100 Mbps cards connected to it (cable/DSL models are often 10Mbps), you might have issues
16:43<dwon>I had that kind of trouble with an old 5-port 10/100 "hub"
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16:43<delire>me too.
16:44<atterdag>I was warned by IOS about that (its a c827 router), but its been running for 4 months without any problems
16:45<atterdag>(until no, that is)
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16:45<itadminDK>i proberly not the router
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16:45<delire>it is odd that 'all' the other machines on your LAN enjoy normal download speeds.
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16:45<SinCosTan>Evening all. Can I force aptitude to install a package without bringing in dependencies or do I have to use apt-get for that?
16:46<dwon>SinCosTan: You can make aptitude ignore "Recommends", that's about it, I think.
16:46<atterdag>but I could get a other switch where I can set a fixed speed on the ports
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16:46<dwon>SinCosTan: though, IIRC, apt-get won't let you either
16:46<frank>SinCosTan: you can use dpkg
16:46<recklessop>im looking to replace my mythtv backend server which is used for transcoding and video capture... and im trying to decide between dual opteron and dual xeon... both with like 4gig of ram and sata drives
16:46<delire>just use dpkg and look at the --force switches
16:46<recklessop>whcih one would have better and faster debian support
16:46<dwon>SinCosTan: also look at the "equivs" package. You can fake-install the dependencies
16:47<recklessop>given that i spend the same amount on cpu and ram
16:47<recklessop>motherboard and cpu i mean
16:47<delire>oops, i mean dpkg --ignore-depends=(packages)
16:48<SinCosTan>dwon: equivs sounds interesting - the package depends on emacs21 but I have emacs22 installed. I've filed a bug on the package but I need to get it working meantimes.
16:48<SinCosTan>delire: thanks. When the package is revved, will I need to manually upgrade with dpkg at that point?
16:48<delire>SinCosTan: no
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16:50<SinCosTan>another question: does anyone know if there is a Debian equivalent to the Planet CCRMA package set for Fedora to build a canned low-latency multimedia system?
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16:51<SinCosTan>I don't want to go back to rpm package management particularly...
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16:51<delire>SinCosTan: unfortunately you'd need to look at something like DeMuDi or Ubuntu Studio
16:52<delire>SinCosTan: there is a '64 studio' but that's x86-64 i believe.
16:52<delire>(don't quote me on that)
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16:52<Lucky7>hey how to set a static network ip in debian?
16:52<Maulkin>Lucky7: man interfaces
16:53<delire>SinCosTan: you want a lowlat kernel specifically for a DAW environment or for other purposes?
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16:54<Lucky7>Any more easy method i just want to hold the same ip :)
16:54<dwon>Lucky7: no. read man interfaces
16:54<SinCosTan>Ubuntu Studio seems immature but I might try it. I thought DeMuDi was dead but I could be wrong. It's primarily audio with maybe a bit of video thrown in for visuals
16:54<delire>Lucky7: ifconfig <nic> <addr> netmask <addr>
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16:54<Lucky7>Thank you
16:54<dwon>delire: Won't dhclient override that?
16:54<delire>Lucky7: well that won't last past your next boot of dhclient
16:55<delire>dwon: yep
16:55<Lucky7>well ok
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16:55<delire>Lucky7: if you want it permanent, do as dwon says.
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16:55<Lucky7>What read man interfaces? :S
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16:55<delire>Lucky7: you're using Debian. you'll be reading a lot.
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16:56<Lucky7>Yes i know but its just for a cod2 server
16:56<Lucky7>just quick and easy
16:56<dwon>Lucky7: It's not that difficult. You edit /etc/network/interfaces, then run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
16:56<Lucky7>Then you could have said that before xD
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16:56<Lucky7>Thanks anyway
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16:57<Lucky7>iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:57<Lucky7>what to do with that?
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16:58<Lucky7>just insert the ifconfig line?
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16:58<delire>Lucky7: just type 'man interfaces' and read it.
16:59<delire>Lucky7: an example is in the first 20 lines or so.
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16:59<delire>honestly, it's faster than asking your Q's here.
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17:00<bloodsurfer>thank you very much
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17:01<Lucky7>iface eth0 inet static
17:01<Lucky7> adress
17:01<Lucky7> netmask
17:01<Lucky7>is that good?
17:01<delire>try it!!
17:01<ewanm89_laptop>Lucky7: It's not bad?
17:01<Lucky7>Ok thank you :)
17:01<dwon>Lucky7: you'll need a gateway address
17:01<Lucky7>oh yeah :S
17:01<dwon>!tell Lucky7 about interfaces
17:02<delire>Lucky7: sudo route add default gw <gateway addr>
17:02<delire>Lucky7: but read if you want these settings to 'stick'.
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17:04<delire>Lucky7: also see /etc/resolv.conf for nameservers and domains to search.
17:04<dwon>delire: IIRC, that can all go into /etc/network/interfaces now
17:04<delire>i forgot that was possible..
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17:05<dwon>though you might need to install resolvconf first. I can't remember
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17:06<dwon>installing various packages extends /etc/network/interfaces in various ways. e.g. wireless-tools and vlan
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17:06<userwindow>hello... so my users settings window comes up but shows no user names
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17:08<delire>userwindow: i have no idea what that is. does that belong to a Desktop Environment like Gnome or KDE?
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17:08<andrew>hi, where do i find the lastest debian netinstall, i cant load
17:08<userwindow>oh sorry its under system then then adminstration in ubuntu
17:08<andrew>of testing, i386
17:08<delire>userwindow: this is #debian not #ubuntu
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17:09<userwindow>delire yea but nobody in there was responding so i thought theat somebody here might be able to help
17:09<delire>userwindow: type /join #ubuntu in your IRC client and then ask the question again there.
17:09<dwon>userwindow: #debian is not a fallback channel for ubuntu users
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17:10<delire>userwindow: Ubuntu and Debian are different especially on the level of the Graphical User Interface. you're probably not going to get too far in here i'm afraid.
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17:10<andrew>hi, where do i find the lastest debian netinstall (testing i386), i cant load
17:11<andrew> ... again...
17:11<dwon>andrew: works for me
17:11<andrew>not here
17:11<andrew>hasnt worked here all allong
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17:12<dwon>andrew: ?
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17:12<ths_>i have a question about mysql on debian etch, is someone here who can help me
17:12<andrew>rotfl, firefox just doesnt work...
17:12<delire>andrew: works here (dialing from Spain)
17:13<andrew>bah, i lost it
17:13<delire>andrew: yes, FF is a PITA at times.
17:13<dwon>andrew: you can also try the coral cached url:
17:13<andrew>Timeout on server
17:13<andrew>Connection was to at port 80
17:14<dwon>The MD5SUMS file (for me) says: bee2336834542338c95a3f06547637c2 debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
17:14<delire>andrew: albeit the fact you can't reach it probably says more about your DNS than anything else.
17:14<andrew>is that link you just give me up dated?
17:14<dwon>"This build finished at Thu Jul 19 09:43:39 UTC 2007."
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17:16<Lucky7>It worked thank you and cya
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17:16<andrew>lost conn :/
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17:16<andrew>is there really a problem with using debian without apic?
17:17<andrew>i have a laptop i want to put debian on
17:17<dwon>andrew: apic or acpi?
17:17<delire>andrew: "acpi"?
17:17<dwon>(apic is a timer circuit, acpi is power management)
17:17<delire>andrew: Debian isn't as good for laptops as some other distributions. others here won't agree perhaps.
17:17<andrew>i cant get the error now :/
17:18<andrew>delire: i dont want suse anymore
17:18<delire>andrew: understandable.
17:18<andrew>delire: desktop is allready debian :)
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17:18<dwon>I've used Debian on a laptop without too much trouble. It's a heck of a lot easier to do than it used to be.
17:18<andrew>delire: server is gentoo
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17:18<Jeffro|Clone>sorry to ask xD but how to duplicate a map in debian?
17:18<delire>dwon: agreed. i've used Debian on my laptops for 6 years.
17:19<andrew>delire: this Is brand new laptop, if that matters
17:19<andrew>delire: i want Lots of software :)
17:19<delire>andrew: it really depends what it is, not so much how new it is (though older is often better).
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17:19<andrew>delire: i need new kernel to get it working correctly
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17:20<andrew>delire: it crashes with cd drive in linux sometimns
17:20<Jeffro|Clone>Please tell me, how to clone a complete map
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17:20<dwon>Jeffro|Clone: huh? what kind of map?
17:21<Jeffro|Clone>Just a map with some stuff in it
17:21<delire>andrew: see and search for your model.
17:21<andrew>debian testing more stable than suse 10.2 :)
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17:21<delire>Jeffro|Clone: cartographic, keyboard map.. [ad infinitum]?
17:21<Jeffro|Clone>like duplicating a entire hom directory under a other name
17:21<Jeffro|Clone>sorry its directory in english
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17:21<Jeffro|Clone>in dutch we call it a map >.<
17:21<andrew>its in there
17:22<Jeffro|Clone>So how to clone a directory
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17:22<andrew>only in a different language :)
17:22<dwon>Jeffro|Clone: cp -a /path/from /path/to
17:22<Jeffro|Clone>ok thank you
17:22<delire>Jeffro|Clone: ahah ;)
17:22<andrew>its dell inspiron 1501
17:23<andrew>any hope for cool features, eg beryl with xgl and fglrx?
17:23<delire>andrew: i'd doubt it, esp if you're using fglrx.
17:23<andrew>i have beryl in suse :)
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17:24<andrew>with ati driver and xgl
17:24<delire>andrew: Debian isn't so much a desktop _focussed_ distribution. it's the source from which very good desktop distributions spring however ;)
17:24<andrew>so not as much "cool" stuff, well, i guess thats ok
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17:25<andrew>so i will tri boot then
17:25<lupine>meh, debian was more desktop-friendly than ubuntu for me
17:25<delire>andrew: to be honest, it's highly likely you're going to be poking around getting things working well on a laptop on Debian - compared to a couple of other distributions. that can be fun in itself however.
17:25<andrew>ubuntu is to slow
17:25<delire>lupine: lucky for some.
17:25<lupine>mm, debian doesn't do as well as ubuntu on some edge cases, true
17:25<gar>ubuntu ha
17:25<lupine>like crap laptops
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17:26<delire>well, laptop with cards that have binary-only drivers.
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17:26<andrew>i just dont like the whole ubuntu thing anyways, good for others, not me
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17:26<lupine>meh, my nVidia works fine
17:26<gar>andrew: ubuntu is for lazy
17:26<andrew>and there is a big bug with ndiswrapper in ubuntu
17:27<andrew>gar: ubuntu is for n00bs :)
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17:27<gar>well put
17:27<lupine>working on getting "compiz fusion" (lol) working atm
17:27<lupine>eh, ubuntu is also good for the corporate environment
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17:28<andrew>i have ati cards and ndiswrappers required for my machines to work, not the easiest setup
17:28<gar>i arather use redhat for corporate that ubuntu
17:28<lupine>or yaweh
17:28<andrew>gar: i rather suse for corperate :)
17:28<gar>well sure to
17:28[~]lupine hides from the rpms
17:28<gar>i cant complaint my first linux was mandrake ><
17:28[~]andrew dont you love rpms :)
17:28<lupine>I started with RH6
17:28[~]andrew rebuilds his rpm database
17:29<lupine>back then, rpm-based distros were > deb-based ones. No no more.
17:29<gar>rpm are like deb package not much in diferent
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17:31<andrew>heh, suse didnt even have /me :)
17:31<andrew>at least not in konversation
17:31[~]lupine doesn't habeeb ity
17:32<gar>i used to love BitchX
17:32[~]andrew explodes at the thought of touching a windows disk
17:32<lupine>andrew: I touched a windows ISO recently
17:32<andrew>pirated one :)
17:32<lupine>I put it in a VM, and it's having problems already
17:32<lupine>well, yeah
17:32<gar>i have 2 winxp machine near me :D
17:33[~]dwon runs touch /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 # muhahaha
17:33<gar>and this old rusty apple imac 1999 with deb testing :D
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17:33<lupine>there's a security update it needs to install, and it keeps failing. No error message to speak of.
17:33<andrew>apple disks are only thing worth pirate :)
17:33<lupine>Amusingly, the update is to fix windows update so that updates don't fail
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17:33[~]andrew LOL
17:33[~]gar LOL
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17:34<andrew>nice, i have to redownload this
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17:34<andrew>debian testing....
17:34<andrew>stupid kget..
17:34<lupine>I wanted to get Mac OS running in qemu too (or at least darwin), but I'm having no luck
17:34<tarzeau>can someone check if the legend is right with konqueror?
17:34<gar>im looking for a valid ISO os X or OS 9 and everything i download is just Junk that dont boot so i give up and put debian on this :D
17:34<andrew>my laptop can boot darwin x86
17:35<lupine>tarzeau: works fine
17:35<lupine>andrew: here, it keeps looping "waiting for root device" :/
17:35<tarzeau>lupine: thanks
17:35<gar>i have a sony p4 2.4 512mb memory that i dont know what to do with it :D
17:35<andrew>it doesnt work in vmware :)
17:35<lupine>qemu ftw!
17:36<andrew>virtualbox better :)
17:36<lupine>well, maybe
17:36<andrew>can someone pls re-give me link to that file?
17:36<andrew>for debian testing i386
17:36<andrew>my client died, and now the download vanished
17:37<Hessophanes>That one?
17:37<Hessophanes>(Rejoin the lines)
17:37<gar>i upgraded from etch to testing :D
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17:38<andrew>80 Bytes a second, pls comeone...
17:38<lupine>lol, that's pretty bad
17:39<andrew>yup, thats qwest (TM)
17:39<dwon>andrew: try the one?
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17:39<andrew>no, its my isp, it sucks
17:40<andrew>it also redirects sites back to google and so on
17:40<gar>80byte ><
17:40<andrew>now im at 160kb/s
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17:42<andrew>download failed
17:42[~]andrew explodeds
17:42<andrew>whoops, typo
17:43<dwon>andrew: you could also try to use zsync if you're having trouble downloading the file
17:43<dwon>(zsync == teh roxorz)
17:43<andrew>er, Jeffro|Clone - WinNt@***
17:44<andrew>win nt?
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17:44<andrew>i see trouble
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17:45<delire>andrew: use 'wget -c http://some.url'
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17:47<andrew>i really want osx :)
17:47<Aleric>Can someone help me to get my new webcam to work? It's a Sweex wc003
17:47<delire>andrew: ugh.
17:47<dwon>andrew: I've used it. So far, I prefer Debian.
17:48<delire>i have the great misfortune of having to use OS/X for work from time to time.
17:48<dwon>though I haven't played with fink yet, so that might be why
17:48<andrew>dwon: mac osx has cool animations, and stable :)
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17:48<delire>dwon: it's relatively broken and has hardly any packages. as is MacPorts.
17:48<dwon>andrew: it's pretty fragile internally, at least in terms of installing/uninstalling stuff
17:48<delire>dwon: i find it far from stable.
17:48<andrew>dwon: mac system for email and so on...
17:49<andrew>dwon: im sick of loosing mail for rebuilds and updates
17:49<delire>wait until you have a clash between something in /System/Libraries/Frameworks vs /usr/lib/ or /usr/local/lib
17:49|-|andrew changed nick to KDE4000
17:49<delire>andrew: well, you know where to buy OS/X
17:50<KDE4000>i should buy and use emulator :)
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17:52[~]KDE4000 EtherNet, lol
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17:52<KDE4000>macs have those super loud boot sounds :)
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17:54<EricB>there is a way to turn it down
17:55<Aleric>When I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, it says it wants to remove linux-kernel-headers and modutils
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17:56<KDE4000>it downloaded
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17:58<KDE4000>gentoo irc always have arround 900 users sometimes over 1000, here, less than 300, seems less people need help :)
17:58<Hessophanes>Aleric: superseded by linux-libc-dev and module-init-tools, respectively. However if you're still running a 2.4 series kernel, you should keep modutils.
17:58<KDE4000>Time for a R. E. B. O. O. T ;)
17:58<Aleric>Hessophanes: Thanks! Now I can continue :)
17:58<EricB>KDE4000 shocking
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17:59[~]KDE4000 Reboots
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17:59<Aleric>I wonder why it says: The following packages have been kept back:
17:59<Aleric> ffmpeg
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18:00<delire>Aleric: because other packages need to be upgraded first.
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18:03<Aleric>The candidate on testing/main depends on a version of libfreetype6 that is in unstable
18:04<delire>i wouldn't be surprised.
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18:04<Nemoder>looks like a lot of stuff is waiting on libfreetype6
18:04<delire>Aleric: if you use external repositories you can be sure to run into such problems.
18:05<Nemoder>cool, should be fixed soon
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18:07<Aleric>Hmm, now to get my webcam to work :/
18:07<streuner>!congratulate Aleric
18:07<dpkg>Yay Aleric, you did it!
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18:13<g3o>hello , i need a lil help with debian , im kinda new at it
18:14<g3o>its basically in isntalling software , i use apt-get for some ... that i thought i downloaded but turns out they were on the first dvd
18:14<g3o>i wanna know how to install other apps
18:14<g3o>like bmpx .... i downloaded the package ... but no idea how to install it ...
18:14<delire>g3o: first rule: you should hardly ever need to go to websites to find software. that's the old-fashioned way.
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18:15<delire>g3o: use 'apt-cache search <keyword>' for instance 'apt-cache search cartography' will return a list of package names for me to select from.
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18:17<delire>g3o: for instance 'apt-cache search math graph 3d' returns a list of possible applications one of which is called "kalgebra". i can now 'apt-get install kalgebra'
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18:17<delire>g3o: 'apt-cache show kalgebra' will tell me a bit about the package before i install it.
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18:18<g3o>delire, okay ... i typed it , it says : Couldn't stat source package list etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packag
18:18<delire>g3o: try 'apt-get update' first
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18:19<delire>g3o: that will download a list of the latest packages from the servers you have listed in a textfile called /etc/apt/sources.list
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18:19<delire>g3o: you might also want to look at Synaptic, a GUI interface to apt. you can also edit the repositories you're using there too.
18:20<lupine_85>anything hugely broken in current lenny?
18:21<streuner>no, everything :-)
18:21<chealer_>lupine_85: check the BTS
18:21<chealer_>!tell lupine_85 about bts
18:21<lupine_85>ah, ok
18:21<delire>bug track
18:21<g3o>okay delire :) works great i installed the softwareee :) and my sources are updated
18:21<delire>g3o: excellent ;)
18:21<g3o>let's get back to Synaptic , wut is that ? where can i get it ?
18:22<delire>g3o: it might be in a menu or, if not, just become root and type it in a terminal.
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18:22<delire>g3o: if you're using Gnome or KDE it's probably in an Administration menu
18:23<delire>(i don't use a desktop environment so can't help unfortunately)
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18:23<lupine_85>cool, thanks. Heh - 621 release-critical bugs
18:24<delire>g3o: Synaptic is perhaps the most popular way of installing packages on a Debian based system (most of the Linux distributions) so it's worth becoming familiar with anyway.
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18:25<lupine_85>"most"? :D
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18:25<delire>yes, around 70% i last heard.
18:25<g3o>delire, oh okay looks like add/remove programs in wiindows but looks hell better
18:25<delire>g3o: it is :)
18:25<lupine_85>apititude++, also, for KDE users
18:26<lupine_85>heh, did you know that with apt-rp, you can use synaptic and aptitude with all the RPM-based distros too?
18:26<delire>g3o: there are a few different front-ends but the back-end, apt, is always the same.
18:26<lupine_85>erm, apt-rpm
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18:26[~]lupine_85 risks the dist-upgrade
18:27<delire>lupine_85: they're always a bit hairy. upgrade your whole system first - as a precaution.
18:27<delire>then perform the dist-upgrade if you must.
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18:27<lupine_85>it's lenny already, but a fair bit out of date
18:27<delire>i c.
18:28<lupine_85>hey, it's going to KDE 3.5.7
18:28<g3o>delire, well , when i updated , bmpx was on dvd1 taht i had , and it asked me to put it so i install it , but now , in synaptic , if the application is not on dvd 1 , what happens ?
18:29<lupine_85>it sucks it off the internet, if you have an online repo enabled
18:29<delire>it'll grab it from an official Debian repository
18:30<g3o>oh okay
18:30<g3o>great , 10x delire
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18:31<delire>g3o: anytime. just stick with official Debian repos and you'll have a clean and easy to administer system. as soon as you trust $RANDOM_GUYS_REPO you'll hit dilemmas..
18:31<delire>anyway, night
18:32<g3o>okay :) night delire
18:32<g3o>had one more question :p
18:32<g3o>about the thing i heard once , that it fakes my wifi usb dongle , so i can run it with my windows driver , coz apprently its not detecting it
18:33<g3o>humm its name was shorter , but does this do wut i want ?
18:33<lupine_85>lets you use your windows wlan driver in linux, yes
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18:34<lupine_85>well, when it work
18:34<g3o>okay lupine_85 trying :)
18:34<lupine_85>there's another one too, but it's not free (or Free) and doesn't do a better job anyway
18:35<lupine_85>!ndiswrapper one-liner
18:35<dpkg>hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
18:35<lupine_85>lol, very helpful
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18:36<lupine_85>basically you do that, then feed ndiswrapper the .inf for your wlan driver
18:36<lupine_85>then it either works or chokes
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18:38<g3o>lupine_85, done , installed and launched it , but inf ?? i got it in a setup file humm ... N
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18:39<lupine_85>mm, you need the driver. consists of a .inf & a .sys at minimum
18:40<lupine_85>if you've got a setup .exe, you could try using wine to run it
18:40<lupine_85>or hunt the 'net for more reasonable drivers
18:42<g3o>lupine_85, okay i installed it using wine , where can i find the files ? i mean where from can i access the directories of wine ?
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18:44<lupine_85>haha, lol.
18:44<lupine_85>Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.6-2_amd64.deb
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18:44<lupine_85>should I commit seppuku now, or later?
18:45<lupine_85>hmm, "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib32', which is also in package lib32z1"
18:46<g3o>lupine_85, im kinda having a problem finding that .wine :p sorry im a real noob
18:46<lupine_85>"~" means your home directory
18:46<lupine_85>"." at the beginning of a directory or file shows that it's a hidden file
18:47<g3o>grrrr grrr :p jesussss all these hidden files :p
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18:51<g3o>lupine_85, okay found lotta files .... i should try them all i think :p but how , i typed ndiswrapper -i , its does nth , how will i locate the file ? i should write its full adress ?
18:51<lupine_85>yeah, you ndiswrapper -i <full path to the .inf file>
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18:55<g3o>lupine_85, it said installing.... then i can write back again in console , smth is supposed to happen ? :s :p
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18:56<g3o>and these were the only 2 inf files i found .... or can i search someway for files ? like search feature in windows ?
18:56<lupine_85>g3o: hopefully, it's installed. IIRC, 'ndiswrapper -l' will show you if it installed correctly
18:56<g3o>ok okay ..
18:56<g3o>found the search thingy
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18:56<lupine_85>you might also want to install 'ndisgtk', which is a GUI for ndiswrapper
18:56<lupine_85>no idea how good it is
18:57<g3o>it sais zd1211u... installed but i have no idea if its the driver or not
18:57<g3o>it was some file in windows ...
18:58<lupine_85>yeah, that's a driver for a wlan card
18:58<lupine_85>zd... hang on just a second
18:59<g3o>okay ... :) yes i think so it was zdwlan or smth
18:59<lupine_85>... /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd1211rw.ko
19:01<g3o>okay .. i located the file and then ?
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19:02<dli>zd1211rw is in kernel, no point to do ndiswrapper
19:02<g3o>english .. :s :p
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19:05<g3o>oh one mre question , in amsn , what does that red X on some paper thingy before someoene nicknames means ?
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19:06<lupine_85>I'm just wondering if that's a native driver for your card
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19:06<g3o>what do u mean by native ? sorry im just english educated ..
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19:08<lupine_85>WTF did NetworkManager do to me, just there?
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19:09<g3o>wb lupine_85
19:09<g3o>what do u mean by native ? sorry im just english educated ..
19:10<lupine_85>A driver for linux, rather than for windows
19:10<lupine_85>zd1211rw vs. zd1211u ... hmm
19:11<lupine_85>nah, it probably won't work#
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19:12<g3o>lupine_85, means my wifi dongle wont work :(
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19:13<onbes|deb1an>hi guys
19:14<lupine_85>you should still be able to go with ndiswrapper
19:14<lupine_85>does your card show up in ndiswrapper -l or ndisgtk or iwconfig ?
19:14<Aleric>hikaru:~>sudo m-a --kernel-dir /usr/src/kernel/git/linux-2.6 prepare
19:14<Aleric>Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566.
19:14<onbes|deb1an>i have got a problem: If i start teamspeak or outer tools which use sound I coud not listen to music (xmms). i tried so use alsa driver in xmms (and other musicplayer) and teamspeak with oss but it does not work.
19:15<g3o>installed drivers:
19:15<g3o>zd1211bu driver installed
19:15<lupine_85>onbes|deb1an: most soundcards can only be accessed by one program at a time. you need a mixer - like esd or arts or fusion
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19:16<g3o>zd1211u invalid driver!
19:16<lupine_85>g3o: it should say "device present" as well, IIRC
19:16<g3o>wuts iwconfig where can i find it ?
19:16<lupine_85>iwconfig comes buillt-in, but won't help you here
19:16<g3o>ohh ... well its doesnt say so ..
19:16<onbes|deb1an>yes, google gave me the same answer. then i changed the musicapplication to arts and esd but it also does not worked
19:17<onbes|deb1an>did not worked
19:17<onbes|deb1an>sorry 4 my bad english
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19:17<onbes|deb1an>did not work
19:17<lupine_85>both apps need to be using the same mixer
19:17<lupine_85>and the mixer needs to be active, of course
19:18<lupine_85>fusion is pretty cool, though
19:18<onbes|deb1an>teamspeak use oss. that means that xmms have to use oss to?
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19:19<lupine_85>no, it means you have to make teamspeak go through your mixer... somehow
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19:21<MoohZ86>the headers kernel are on dvd 1 ( for amd64) ?
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19:25<MoohZ86>apt doesn't want search by cd
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20:48<k-man>so after a lot of fiddling around, i finaly got lirc-modules-source but I think its too old and does not support my remote
20:49<k-man>how can I convince the maitainer of the .deb to look at upgrading to a later version of lirc?
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21:34<ctatuk>Is there a site to search listings for lspci so I can figure out which one is my laptop's built-in USB webcam so I can get it working? This is my laptop , and this is my lspci listing ..
21:36<ctatuk>and here is my lsusb
21:37<ctatuk>I recognize my mouse and printer but I don't know what that ALi corp thing is.
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21:39<CompWizdr>that's the webcam
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21:44<Xenguy>Hi - After a reboot my Lenny/Testing will not boot into X; usually this means nvidia is broken again :-) I have looked at the debian wiki how-to, and STFW, but can't get X up and running (also tried the free driver 'nv', but the resolution is unbearable unfortunately). Is it worth trying to install the nvidia drivers the non-Debian way, if the Debian way doesn't seem to be working for me?
21:45<Aleric>How can I get my new webcam to work?
21:45<Aleric>I think I got the right kernel module, and loaded it - how to test if things work now?
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21:51<chealer_>ctatuk: 0402:5602 is your webcam
21:52<ctatuk>yeah and i'm about to try compiling
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21:53<chealer_>ctatuk: yes,
21:54<chealer_>Xenguy: what's the problem?
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21:54<sayers>Hello, How do I install the Libc package
21:54<dpkg>well, libc is A whopping big collection of libraries that you need if you're going to do anything on your system beyond init.
21:54<Xenguy>chealer_: hi...
21:55<sayers>!install libc
21:55<chealer_>!tell sayers about msg the bot
21:55<Xenguy>chealer_: you want the errors in the X log, or ... ?
21:55<chealer_>sayers: libc6 should already be installed
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21:55<sayers>chealer_ sorry, using bitchX irc client, need answer fast, it's for compiling a kernel
21:55<chealer_>Xenguy: I guess
21:56<Xenguy>chealer_: "Failed to load module 'nvidia'" (Module does not exist, 0) ...
21:56<sayers>Xenguy do the Nvidia way
21:56<sayers>Its easier but harder...
21:56<Xenguy>chealer_: "No drivers available" ...
21:56<chealer_>Xenguy: is it a bug?
21:56<Xenguy>chealer_: Fatal server error. no screens found
21:57<Aleric>Xenguy: run build-nvidia-kernel from
21:57<Xenguy>chealer_: those are the 3 main errors, after following the Debian Wiki 'Debian way'
21:57<chealer_>Xenguy: it a bug?
21:58<Xenguy>sayers: I guess that is plan b, though I wish I didn't have to :-) Tx
21:58<Xenguy>Aleric: will check it out, tx
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21:58<Xenguy>chealer_: I don't know honestly
21:58<chealer_>Xenguy: did you check?
21:59<Xenguy>chealer_: I have only asked on the IRC channels so far; I'm not that savvy with bugs
22:00<chealer_>Xenguy: nobody's "savvy with bugs", you just need to know how to use the BTS when you're not using stable.
22:00<Xenguy>chealer_: yeah, well
22:01<Aleric>/usr/src/debian/spca5xx/spca5xx-20060501/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c:39:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
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22:04<Aleric>Why don't I have linux/config.h ?
22:05<chealer_>Aleric: because the package providing it is not installed on your system?
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22:05<Aleric>It's not a package
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22:07<Aleric>:( In the past I figured out how to compile a custom kernel debian package,... which turned out to be a huge commandline of like 500 characters...
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22:07<Aleric>And now I seem to not have the history file with those commands anymore :((
22:08<davidh>anyone installs netbeans?
22:08<davidh>on debian?
22:08<davidh>what version?
22:09<davidh>of debian?
22:09<davidh>sweetie_17: ??
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22:09<sweetie_17>how r u/
22:10<davidh>I keep having dependency probloem between sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-jre
22:10<davidh>sweetie_17: What version of netbeans did you install?
22:10<sweetie_17>im not understand about that!
22:10<davidh>How did you install?
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22:28<bryantcaley>hello. is there a good place in irc to ask about cedega ?
22:28<stew>bryantcaley: #cedega on
22:29<bryantcaley>stew, thankyou kindly ;)
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22:33<reese>hey, amphi... you recommended I try ... I have it and am wondering how to use it to check my HD
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22:35<reese>anyone else know SystemRescueCd?
22:36<sysop>reese, what do you need?
22:36<sysop>is based in gentoo
22:36<sysop>I think you need to go to this channel for better info
22:36<reese>I'm trying to check out this old windows box before I load linux on it
22:37<reese>someone told me to run SystemRescueCd on it
22:37<reese>It's running (here next to me at the table)
22:37<reese>but I'm not sure what to do with it
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22:37<sysop>reese, SystemRescueCd is a live cd...
22:37<sysop>reese, what do you expect?
22:37<reese>I'm running it as a live cd right now
22:38<reese>I want to check out the HD the system
22:38<sysop>then you need to mount this first
22:38<reese>but I'm not sure how to use SystemRescueCd to do it
22:38<sysop>first login as root
22:38<sysop>then try:
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22:39<reese>I think I just did login as root... I typed in su
22:39<sysop>dmesg | grep hd
22:39<sysop>or dmesg | grep sd
22:39<sysop>for show ide or sata disk
22:39<reese>cool.. just did that and am looking at a bunch of data now
22:40<sysop>try to find some like hda or hda1 or sda, sda1 etc. etc.
22:40<sysop>this can be your harddisk
22:40<reese>I see "hda: dma_intr: error=0x40" {UncorrectableError}
22:40<sysop>or if you hdd is ide and have only one, and you have only one partition
22:41<sysop>try mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp1
22:41<sysop>I mean:
22:41<sysop>mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp1
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22:41<sysop>may be your hdd have a problem or dma is not set right
22:42<sysop>if the command before, function correctly, and there is not error message.
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22:42<sysop>then you can list your files with:
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22:43<sysop>ls /mnt/temp1
22:43<sysop>or try:
22:43<sysop>ls -la /mnt/temp1 | more
22:43<kop>sfdisk -l /dev/hda will print the partition table.
22:43<reese>mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp gives me "Usage: mmount -V drive:
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22:43<sysop>your type this right?
22:44<sysop>"Usage: mmount -V drive: <--- may be "Usage: mount -V drive: with one "m"
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22:44<reese>mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp gives "mount: mount point /mnt/temp1 does not exist"
22:45<sysop>sorry... do this one before:
22:45<sysop>mkdir /mnt/temp1
22:45<reese>okay... i did "mkdir /mnt/temp1"
22:45<sysop>I remember this livecd have yet /mnt/temp1 directory, things happend.
22:46<sysop>now do:
22:46<sysop>mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp1
22:47<reese>okay... it gives me, "mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist"
22:47<sysop>then partition or harddisk not exist in hda1
22:48<reese>okay... does that mean there is a problem with my HD?
22:48<sysop>try like say kop
22:48<sysop> sfdisk -l /dev/hda
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22:51<reese>I'm running "sfdisk -l /dev/hda"... it's done... it says, "Disk /dev/hda: 19783 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors/track ... sfdisk: ERROR: sector 0 does not have an msdos signature /dev/hda: unrecognized partition table type ... No partitions found"
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22:54<sysop>uh oh
22:54<reese>... uh oh ... ???
22:54<sysop>it smell like hdd problem
22:54<sysop>like hardware problem
22:54<reese>I was afraid of that
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22:55<reese>guess I need to get another HD ?
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22:57<sysop>yes, but... I was thinking the most important is information
22:57<reese>what do you mean? "the most important is information" ?
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22:59<davidh>can someone help me by typing `which gcc` on a terminal?
23:00<sysop>reese, yes...
23:00<davidh>I want to see what version is installed?
23:00<dondelelcaro>davidh: that will just return /usr/bin/gcc
23:00<dondelelcaro>davidh: what you want to know is what /usr/bin/gcc is symlinked to, and that's dependent on what version of the gcc package you've got installed.
23:00<reese><sysop> ... I'm saying, I don't understand the meaning of this, "the most important is information
23:01<davidh>dondelelcaro: How do I know what version?
23:01<dondelelcaro>davidh: dpkg -l gcc;
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23:01<davidh>dondelelcaro: I found only in /usr/lib/gcc
23:01<dondelelcaro>davidh: because you haven't installed build-essential or gcc?
23:01<davidh>dondelelcaro: I installed standrad etch version
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23:02<davidh>dondelelcaro: could you open a flood channel?
23:02<dondelelcaro>davidh: just use a paste site
23:02<dondelelcaro>davidh: but in your case, all you need to do is aptitude install build-essential
23:02<davidh>dondelelcaro: what is the paste site?
23:02<dondelelcaro> will work
23:02<sysop>reese, if you don't worry about lost your info, buy another disk.
23:03<dondelelcaro>davidh: Debian only installs the packages you request; there is a rather small set of packages that must be installed. Everything else depends on what you select during installation
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23:04<davidh>dondelelcaro: Did you see it?
23:04<reese><sysop> I'm not worried about lost info at all ... thx ...
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23:04<reese>good night
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23:05<dondelelcaro>davidh: you have to give me the url
23:06<David6>who know debian?
23:06<dondelelcaro>davidh: you need to aptitude install build-essential; if you want gcc.
23:06<David6>i have problem
23:06<dondelelcaro>David6: just ask
23:07<sysop>David6, did you mean Debra and Ian?
23:08<David6>i can't install a programs
23:08<sysop>what do you need to install?
23:10<David6>i need a example
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23:10<sysop>David6, basic: apt-get install [PROGRAMYOUNEED]
23:10<David6>i done
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23:11<davidh>dondelelcaro: Did you install netbeans?
23:11<sysop>David6, if you don't the name... try: apt-cache search [SOMEWORDS]
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23:11<dondelelcaro>davidh: why would I install netbeans?
23:12<davidh>for java
23:12<dondelelcaro>I don't write java code
23:13<dondelelcaro>(and if I did, I'd use emacs, not a language specific ide)
23:13<David6>I am going to spend the program to you and you say to your me I do him since
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23:23<davidh>dondelelcaro: what does rc in front of a package means when I type dpkg -l for a package?
23:24<davidh>dondelelcaro: ???
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23:28<kop>sysop: aptitude is recommended these days over a plain apt-get.
23:28<sysop>kop, yes but I don't know what version of debian have, and if it is yet installed
23:28<sysop>kop, personaly I prefer wajig
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23:29<kop>I think it came in base-config on sarge. Could be wrong.
23:29<sysop>kop, but I don't prefer give instructions with that
23:29<sysop>kop, well sometimes I give it with aptitude
23:30<kop>sysop : I like the way it, and synaptic, clean up installed dependencies after themselves.
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23:32<sysop>kop, yes, me too... but when there is no graphic enviroment (xwindow or something) synaptic is not the best choice
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23:34<kop>sysop : Yes, but aptitude does it too.
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23:34<sysop>kop, and wajig and apt-...
23:34<kop>sysop : But not apt-get, right?
23:35<sysop>kop, apt-get still work not?
23:35<kop>sysop : For a lot of values of "work", yes.
23:36<kop>sysop : But eventually you get way too much clutter if you don't throw away unused stuff.
23:37<sysop>kop, ok... I think you are right... in future I will try to use aptitude for instructions
23:37<kop>sysop : In theory "./configure ; make; make install" works too. I'm just saying. I don't mean to be pushy.
23:37<sysop>and so dpkg -i paquete
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23:39<sysop>kop, sorry men, don't become angry...
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23:40<sysop>kop, I tell commands for him with apt-get, because I don't know if him have installed aptitude.
23:40<jimmy_>Anyone know of a linux-friendly online music store? I'm coming from a windows/itunes/ipod setup.. itunes isn't really fesible anymore.
23:41<sysop>When I install debian in my first time, I don't see aptitude, then when I upgrade and install some packages I don't know if aptitude was default or I installed that
23:41<kop>sysop : I think you can safely assume that he's running at least etch, which means aptitude is there.
23:41<kop>sysop : aptitude is default on etch.
23:41<kop>sysop: what is paquete? I can't find it.
23:42<kop>jimmy_ : Well, there's always (Or was years ago...)
23:42<sysop>kop, but i need to assume he have etch, i don't like to assume... may be he not
23:43<sysop>kop, paquete is a spanish word for package... I mean dummy, foo, var etc.
23:44<kop>sysop : Possible, but unlikely because if he does not know how to install anything he's probably fairly new to debian and has installed it fairly recently. If he's that new, then he needs to use the higher level tools, and you'll hear back if aptitude's not there.
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23:44<sysop>kop, hahahahahaha you are totally right
23:44<kop>sysop : He'll need aptitude to upgrade, IIRC from the upgrade to etch docs.
23:44<sysop>I forget about installer of new version of debian is so easy
23:44<sysop>when I installed potato was the very newest
23:45<sysop>oh what times...
23:45<kop>Yup. Manually setting horz and vert sync to get X to work. At least that's what I was doing back then, but not on Debian.
23:45<sysop>kop, sorry potatoe... was 2.x I don't remember very well
23:45<sysop>kop, yeeees!!! you know that
23:46<kop>I recall when it came out.
23:46<sysop>kop, my friend!
23:46<kop>Yup, ran X on a 33MHz 486 with 16MB RAM.
23:46<kop>It rocked.
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23:47<sysop>kop, I installed that in a 586 133mhz and 16mb ram
23:47<kop>I started with slackware and then went to RH and then Debian.
23:48<sysop>but I use before 8088 but with other os... I don't say what so.
23:48<sysop>kop, hahahahaha me too!!!!!
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23:48<kop>A friend of mine used to have an Altar 8080.
23:48<sysop>kop, I installed slackware very old slackware
23:48<kop>We used to program from the toggles.
23:48<sysop>kop, manually install every step,
23:49<kop>We were in heaven when we could borrow a papertape reader or a tty.
23:49<sysop>create partitions, swap, etc.
23:49<sysop>even X window...
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23:50<sysop>kop... friend of mine, old times... good times
23:50<kop>Yup. Gotta go back to work now.... :(
23:51<sysop>kop, sorry for you...
23:52<sysop>kop, if you have another jobs for a friend, call me.
23:52<sysop>I like to change my job
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23:58<sysop>try dice!!!!... very good jobs search engine for IT professional
23:58<sysop>sorry for me, is there only a few for mexico.
23:59<sysop>and I don't speak english, as you can see.
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