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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-07-21

---Logopened Sat Jul 21 00:00:01 2007
---Daychanged Sat Jul 21 2007
00:00<CutMeOwnThroat>and you're alone, I'm paused
00:00<CutMeOwnThroat>oh, you're using an non-ng client
00:01<node_3667>ah ?
00:01<CutMeOwnThroat>you're using an old xpilot client
00:01<CutMeOwnThroat>not xpilot-ng
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00:01<CutMeOwnThroat>I can ask the server which protocol you use...
00:02<node_3667>xpilot-ng 4.7.2
00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>and the xpilot-ng servers have polygon walls... while xpilot had ...."brick walls" i.e. was mad up of squares
00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>oh, true
00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>4f15 is the SDL client
00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>but why do you have turnres=0.12
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00:03<CutMeOwnThroat>ooh, you had an old .xpilotrc
00:03<CutMeOwnThroat>in your home directory
00:03<node_3667>removing it
00:03<CutMeOwnThroat>do "\set turnres 0" (backslash, not forwardslash)
00:04<CutMeOwnThroat>well, everything else in that file should be ok, I guess
00:04<node_3667>too late ;-)
00:04<CutMeOwnThroat>but turnresistance was some hack made for playing with keys... and it's horrible with mouse (and probably also with keys)
00:04<CutMeOwnThroat>yeah, better
00:04<CutMeOwnThroat>you have quite a lot of lag, though
00:05<CutMeOwnThroat>you could try \set dirprediction true
00:05<CutMeOwnThroat>(note the backslash again)
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00:05<node_3667>how to get the console ?
00:05<CutMeOwnThroat>message box for talking to players takes commands
00:05<CutMeOwnThroat>like in irc
00:06<CutMeOwnThroat>only it distinguishes server and client commands / is for server \ is for client
00:06<CutMeOwnThroat>stupid idea...
00:06<CutMeOwnThroat>(might have been my idea)
00:06<Darksmurf>Had to come back to get my cell phone. node_3667 thanks for the link. I'll take a more detailed look tomarrow. gnight all
00:06<CutMeOwnThroat>nite D.
00:07<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: wasnt' there tons of missiles (homing, etc..) back in the days ?
00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>stupid americans
00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, yeah, but not on this map
00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>this is a bloods map, and it only has a ball...
00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>(everything can be configured=
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00:08<CutMeOwnThroat>if you want items, you have to look e.g. for a "New Dark Hell" server
00:08<node_3667>we get the ball with crtl ?
00:08<CutMeOwnThroat>well, I can show you on a different bloods server
00:08<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, click on "ping servers" after starting the client to pick one with low ping
00:09<CutMeOwnThroat>well... "relatively low" :(
00:09<node_3667>frame rate was ok for me
00:10<node_3667>no ping server client in sd
00:10<CutMeOwnThroat>frame rate != ping
00:10<CutMeOwnThroat>try xpilot-ng-x11
00:11<CutMeOwnThroat>"f" to connect
00:12<node_3667>x11 sucks badly
00:12<CutMeOwnThroat>does it?
00:12<CutMeOwnThroat>i find it normally better..
00:13<CutMeOwnThroat>you picked a server with only 12 fps
00:13<CutMeOwnThroat>... if you meant that
00:13<CutMeOwnThroat>that didnt have anything to do with the client
00:13<CutMeOwnThroat>that was not an xpilot-ng server either...
00:14<CutMeOwnThroat>the xpilot-ng clients can play on xpilot-ng servers and on old-style xpilot servers
00:15<CutMeOwnThroat>and the xpilot-ng servers try to create a blockmap representation of the polygons for the old-style xpilot clients...
00:17<node_3667>the sdl client does looks good i mean
00:17<CutMeOwnThroat>but sdl is normally generally slower than x11
00:18<node_3667>but since p3 it's not a pb ;-)
00:19<CutMeOwnThroat>i.e. lead?
00:19<CutMeOwnThroat>anyways, quite a lot of computers have problems with xpilot...
00:20<CutMeOwnThroat>not so seldom not much 2D performance on modern graphics cards
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01:51<dpkg>hello, garp
01:53<Garp>Question: I've only IDE disks. Until now, they were under /dev/hdx (as expected). Last kernel upgrade (2.6.21) broke my system by (apparently) putting those disks under /dev/sdx. Is that expected? Should I modify fstab or solve a bug somewhere else? Thanks.
01:55<zobel>sata disks?
01:56<Garp>zobel: no, that's wat I said, they are pata (IDE), old style disks.
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02:13<Garp>OK, I read a bit about libata and such: seems I have to switch in my fstab
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02:15<tupa>does someone know how to "refresh" a terminal after you edit .bashrc without restarting the terminal?
02:16<TBBle>". .bashrc"?
02:17<tupa>oh, yes, and source too :)
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03:02<du_>hello anybody there?
03:03<suiside>no, just 268 nicks
03:03<jakeriver>all of them irc-screens just to seem cool.
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03:04<du_>anybody knows cool webcam application for debian?
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03:04<suiside>hasn't got ekiga webcam support these days?
03:04<suiside>*hasn't ekiga got
03:05[~]fxiny runs nyello in a screen session and cares a split zero about the weather
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03:05<fxiny>yeahhhh i have fesh beer :P
03:05<suiside>pidgin also has webcam support through a plugin
03:05<craigevil>ekiga nad Gyachi support webcams in chat
03:06<du_>how can I install pidgin?
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03:06<craigevil>pidgin is the new name for gaim
03:07<du_>I have gaim but it does not support webcam?
03:07<twb>Pidgin is a silly name
03:07<suiside>du_: as I said, with a plugin, seems that etch still has it under the name gaim
03:08[~]fxiny would add lemon and tonic to Pidgin
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03:08<du_>suidie: should I download that plugin separately?
03:08<gsimmons_>du_: There's an etch backport of pidgin available, ask dpkg about it.
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03:08<suiside>du_: well, it won't magically appear while you're waiting will it?
03:09<du_>suiside: where can I download that plugin?
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03:11<suiside>if you're lucky you might be able to find it in the repos or in backport, but if not, check the project website, used to be on sourceforge but I believe they've separated these days
03:12<bcochofel>Hi, I have php4 installed on my debian etch but I need to add support to mssql. Can I download the php source and compile it myself? What's the best way to do this? I never compiled a source package under debian
03:13<gsimmons_>bcochofel: Installing the 'php4-mysql' package should provide all the support for MySQL that you require, IIRC.
03:13<twb>bcochofel: why wouldn't you just install php4-mysql?
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03:13<bcochofel>I have MySQL support, what I don't have it mssql (MS SQL Server)
03:14<twb>Oh, squeal server.
03:14<twb>I don't know how you'd do that.
03:15<gsimmons_>bcochofel: Ah, I read that wrong. You'd want 'php4-sybase'.
03:16<bcochofel>Ok, got it, thx
03:16<bcochofel>twb: the good thing it that I'm going to migrate mssql to postgresql ;)
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03:18<twb>Are you also going to migrate to Seaside, HApps or UCW? ;-)
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03:19<bcochofel>twb: you lost me!
03:20<twb>They are web frameworks that Suck DifferentlyTM.
03:20<bcochofel>gsimmons_: should it appear on the phpinfo? I don't have anything
03:20<bcochofel>No, I'll only migrate the db
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03:24<alp_>hi all
03:24<gsimmons_>bcochofel: I'd have thought a section about sybase (eg. "Sybase Support: enabled") would be present.
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03:24<alp_>i've just finished to install ipw2200 and ieee modules with module-assistant and i've put the firmware files in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
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03:25<alp_>what have i got to do to make my wireless card work ?
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03:25<bcochofel>gsimmons_: got it, have to restart apache2 for that
03:27<twb>Is there a dedicated channel for ?
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04:11<ipsum>hi all
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04:49<aycko>is it normal that ftp passwords are send plaintext?
04:49<Ganneff>its ftpo
04:49<Ganneff>its ftp. so yes.
04:49<aycko>any workaround?
04:50<formorer_>don't use uit
04:50<formorer_>eh it
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04:50<mjk>aycko: sftp/scp
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04:50<formorer>aycko: use sftp, oder scp
04:50<aycko>is sftp ftp compatible?
04:51<aycko>can a ftp client talk to the sftp server?
04:51<formorer>no. it it would be, it would transmit the password via plaintext
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05:02<twb>aycko: however, many FTP clients support both FTP and SFTP protocols.
05:03<twb>aycko: you could alternatively use FTP over SSL.
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05:18<dlmmglsgm2995>hello everybody
05:18<dlmmglsgm2995>i have a question about setting up wireless
05:18<dlmmglsgm2995>i really need help guys
05:18<mjk>dlmmglsgm2995: Then simply pose your question.
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>how do i set the wireless or where does it goes wrong when i do it
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>i am using DreamLinux MMGL, (Debian based)
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>tried already with ndiswrapper
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>but it doesn't work
05:19<azeem>what WLAN chip do you have?
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>my wireless adapter is ipw2200
05:19<dlmmglsgm2995>Intel/Wireless Pro
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05:19<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
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05:20<dlmmglsgm2995>i'll try it
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05:23<aycko>what is a good loganalyser?
05:24<aycko>there are so many out there >.<
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06:08<litage_>is there a difference between an initrd and initramfs? if so, what is it?
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06:11<suiside>litage_: initial ram disk/filesystem, they're the same thing
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06:13<polardropbear>can anyone help me set up a SSH Shell remote access tunnel from debian, so I can access terminal from Windows?
06:14<suiside>litage_: or to be precise, they do the same thing, but afaik initrd is a static image while initramfs is a dynamic filesystem
06:14<manphiz>polardropbear, apt-get install openssh-server
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06:15<legrand>polardropbear: ...and putty.exe on the windows side as client ;-)
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06:15<polardropbear>manphiz, legrand, why is it asking for a CD?
06:16<legrand>check /etc/apt/sources.lst
06:16<legrand>comment the line that refers to a cdrom (hash at the beginning)
06:16<suiside>polardropbear: you propably have the install cd still as a repository in sources.list, commment it out
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06:17<polardropbear>suiside, commenting out, means i pit // in front?
06:17<legrand>put a hash (#) in front
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06:19<polardropbear>i feel like a noob, it wont let me save sources.list
06:19<legrand>you have to bee root...!
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06:20<polardropbear>thats the thing, i havent managed to login as root, only in terminal, have i been able 2
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06:20<polardropbear>:-( sorry in advance
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06:20<legrand>use 'su' to become root
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06:21<polardropbear>i already am
06:22<frank>polardropbear: it's not advisable to login as root in X, so using a terminal for admin stuff is the way to go
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06:22<polardropbear>am i supposed to be editing this in terminal?
06:22<legrand>why not?
06:22<polardropbear>:-( i dont know how 2. I am so sorry.
06:22<legrand>it's easier anyway - and 'mc' is pretty simple
06:23<litage_>how can one determine if they're using an initrd or initramfs in conjunction with their kernel?
06:23<polardropbear>how do i use mc?
06:23<legrand>polardropbear: aptitude install mc (if it's not available)
06:23<frank>nano is also an easy to use editor
06:24<frank>if you don't like vi
06:24<legrand>polardropbear: open console, become root (typing 'su'), then type 'mc'
06:25<polardropbear>wow. mc = good.
06:26<legrand>my life-saver in many circumstances ;-)
06:26<polardropbear>ok. i have installed OpenSSH
06:26<Gulars>I'm trying to compile the new kernel, and I'm following a guide that tells me to use a menuconfig thing, then using fakeroot and make-kpkg I'd check for errors... when I do that I get into a seemingly endless sting of questions about the kernel - very similar to what I saw in the menuconfig part - shouldn't this be loaded from config?
06:27<polardropbear>...and i have PuTTy
06:27<Gulars>fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image <--- that's the cmd I run
06:28<polardropbear>legrand, what is the next step?
06:28<legrand>start putty on windows and type in the ip-address of the server
06:29<Gulars>then accept the key, log in and enjoy :)
06:29<legrand>if there's no firewall in front of the server it should work at once (do accept the key at first connect)
06:30<polardropbear>i owe u a present.
06:30<legrand>hopefully you put openssh on the server with keyboard-challenge 'on', otherwise you need either to change that or to work with certificates
06:30<polardropbear>its workin perfectly.
06:30<legrand>after all: it's Debian ;-)
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06:31<polardropbear>its my first time.
06:31<polardropbear>i first used ubuntu.
06:32<legrand>pretty similar - but one more layer. Works fine for desktops. For servers I largely prefer Debian
06:32<polardropbear>it's faster too.
06:33<legrand>well, I didn't notice that. same desktop?
06:33<polardropbear>is there a list i can get of all the installs i can get using apt-get?
06:33<polardropbear>very very similar.
06:34<legrand>use aptitude from console - or synaptic if you prefer a mouse.
06:34<frank>hm, there are more than 10k packages, so the list would be long
06:34<frank>!tell polardropbear about search
06:34<polardropbear>u guys know Teamspeak?
06:35<legrand>not yet...
06:35<twb>teamspeak isn't Free software!
06:36<Nemoder>much better than teamspeak now:
06:36<twb>legrand: aptitude supports the mouse
06:36<twb>Nemoder: haha, I know people that use `mumble' as a variable, like `foo'.
06:36<Nemoder>their server is murmur :P
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06:36<legrand>twb: sure - but not in the 'slick' way many 'mouse-men' expect... ;-)
06:36<twb>Frotz would have been better
06:37<polardropbear>teamspeak is free if it is used for Non-commerical use!
06:37<twb>polardropbear: no, it's gratis.
06:37<legrand>twb: thanks for pointing that out
06:37<frank>free in the sense of no fee to pay
06:37<twb>polardropbear: you don't give them money
06:38<legrand>free in Debian is 'free as in freedom' - this goes much further than 'no money to pay'
06:39<polardropbear>and u guys down-to-earth free software people?
06:39<twb>polardropbear: what does that mean?
06:39<Nemoder>oxymoron? :P
06:39<polardropbear>twb: you only like free software (not an insult)
06:40<twb>I consider Freedom to be an important feature.
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06:40<legrand>me too. Whenever reasonably possible.
06:40<twb>I do use some software that isn't Free, such as the broadcom driver in my OpenWRT router. When there is an adequate Free alternative, I use it -- for example, I know use the Free broadcom driver for that device.
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06:41<twb>Similarly, I used kqemu before it was GPLd
06:43<polardropbear>i am kinda stuck in a situation where my entire clan uses TS2
06:43<twb>Perhaps you should find a new "clan".
06:43<twb>Or you could just install teamspeak.
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06:44<polardropbear>im sorry if i am offending u guys
06:44<twb>I am not offended easily. Correct use of punctuation would help.
06:45<polardropbear>So, I am offending you?
06:46<twb>Is it important?
06:46<Nemoder>polardropbear: teamspeak is ok but if you can get some of your friends to try mumble, it's very impressive
06:46<polardropbear>Yes, it depends on whether I feel bad about myself!
06:46<litage_>when during the boot process are swap partitions mounted?
06:46<twb>That's easy. Always feel bad about yourself, like me.
06:47<twb>For example, what have you done to retard global warming?
06:47<polardropbear>Retard Global Warming?
06:47<twb>retard = slow it down
06:47<twb>It is an antonym of "accelerate"
06:47<polardropbear>'Tis indeed
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06:48<polardropbear>I have designed plans for my High School (real ones) to make them 25% Solar Efficent
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06:48<twb>Good work.
06:49<polardropbear>Having an insane Hippie mother?
06:49<twb>List that as a contributing factor.
06:49<polardropbear>Permaculture Gardening.
06:49<twb>Another example: what have you done to stop the use of PHP and Java in business environments?
06:49<polardropbear>Err, Ok.
06:50<polardropbear>Only used it in my School Environment.
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06:50<polardropbear>Err, No.
06:50<polardropbear>That's Probably Bad thing.
06:51<polardropbear>Zero, Naut, Nothing, Zilch.
06:51<twb>Hell, if it comes to that what have you done to stop the regression of tertiary CS courses to vocational syllabuses?
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06:56<polardropbear>I am going to get banned.
06:57<legrand>twb: what's wrong about java and php?
06:57<twb>legrand: they're crap
06:58<legrand>for java I' not that sure...
06:58<polardropbear>twb: what do you use instead?
06:59<legrand>twb: ok. I believe java to be more universal. nice to program with - and easy to debug. pretty robust.
06:59<twb>Easy to debug? You can't replace broken functions with working ones while the system is running!
07:00<legrand>depending what you do: you can. Take Tomcat as an example
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07:03<legrand>twb: well, not functions - but at least classes. But I do not want to replace functions while anything is running - this doesn't work in compiled languages.
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07:04<twb>Lisp is a compiled language.
07:05<legrand>twb: afaik for a different purpose... didn't it use to be interpreted?
07:06<twb>Back in 1950, yes.
07:06<twb>It was interpreted by humans.
07:06<twb>I say functions because Lisp supports multiple dispatch, and thus functions (methods) don't belong to a given class.
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07:07<twb>This is off-topic for #debian so I'll drop the subject. You can stop by #lisp on freenode if you want to talk about language design.
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07:08<legrand>twb: since you can change anything while debugging tells me that at this stage your code is interpreted - but you're right: let's stick to Debian
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07:09<fabrizio>some one know wtf gtk-theme-switch dosent work on debian stable?
07:09<twb>Because it switches GTK1 themes, not GTK2 themes.
07:09<fabrizio>i have hplip control panel
07:09<fabrizio>i think it's gtk1
07:09<fabrizio>or not?
07:10<twb>I've no idea.
07:10<azeem>fabrizio: run ldd on the executable to find out
07:10<fabrizio>azeem: sry lld? :(
07:11<twb>Please use whole words.
07:11<azeem>fabrizio: no, ldd
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07:11<takt>can any body help me with regular expressions?
07:11<takt>I've got "webXmailY"
07:12<polardropbear>Thanks to twb and legrand for the Great help!
07:12<polardropbear>Good Night!
07:12<takt>my Exp looks like this: web[0-9]{1-5}mail[0-9]{1-5}
07:12<takt>and it doesnt work with preg_match in PHP
07:12<twb>What dialect of regex are you using?
07:12<twb>Oh, PHP. I can't help.
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07:13<fabrizio>azeem: where can i paste the output?
07:13<azeem>fabrizio: why do you need to paste, just check for libgtk1 or libgtk2
07:13<achaoge>takt: s/-/,/g
07:14<achaoge>maybe webweb[0-9]{1,5}mail[0-9]{1,5}
07:14<takt>thats what I've posted: web[0-9]{1-5}mail[0-9]{1-5}
07:15<achaoge>{1-5} --> {1,5}
07:16<fabrizio>azeem: ok libgtk1 and 2
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07:17<fabrizio>azeem: preview seems to work but it doesnt apply...
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07:18<azeem>fabrizio: I've no idea on gtk-theme-switch
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07:18<twb>You can just set the GTK theme by editing ~/.gtkrc or ~/.gtkrc-2.0
07:19<fabrizio>azeem: ok thanks :D
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07:33<|ms|>what must i consider if i migrate one user to another like: user1 shall now be known as user2
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07:34<aycko>can i just copy the home directory from user1 to user2?
07:35<twb>aycko: simply use usermod(8) to change their login name
07:35<aycko>twb: thanks that sounds easy ;)
07:35<twb>If you want to change the location of their $HOME as well, use the --home switch and use mv to move the directory.
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09:01<Paoletto>hi to everybody
09:01<twb>illovae: that's what they all say.
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09:02<Paoletto>hi twb
09:03<illovae>hi Paoletto
09:03<illovae>hi twb
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09:03<VivekVC>Which is the best way to learn how to use cvs and svn ?
09:04<VivekVC>Which is the best doc to use
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09:05<suiside>'man cvs' and 'man svn'
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09:08<nilsFR13>hi all, I would like to do some "partman" work (I want to duplicate ALL partitions on a second disk), then I can switch to S or 1 runlevel, but I need ssh, witch one I should use ?
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09:11<nilsFR13>as in S runlevel theire is only /, but I still have ssh, and in 1 runlevel, all partitions are up, but no ssh
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09:12<twb>nilsFR13: I understood each word in those sentences, but not their agreggate.
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09:12<nilsFR13>no agreggate ?
09:12<nilsFR13>well, you didn't anderstood my question ?
09:12<nilsFR13>ok, I try in an other way
09:13<nilsFR13>fist, I want to use partman to copy all my system on a second disk, ok ?
09:13<twb>VivekVC: are you sure you want to use SVN/CVS? There are several newer VCs that are arguably both simpler and more powerful.
09:13<twb>nilsFR13: the data, or just the partition table?
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09:13<miksuh>if you want to copy files then what ssh has to do with it?
09:14<VivekVC>twb: which ones ?
09:14<nilsFR13>all, I want to be able to boot on the second disk (setting up grub), and have exactly the same system up
09:14<twb>VivekVC: darcs, monotone, mercurial, bazaar (bzr).
09:14<nilsFR13>ssh => my server is not where I am, can only connect via ssh
09:14<twb>nilsFR13: are both disks exactly the same size?
09:15<VivekVC>Which is the best site to learn about version controls in debian.
09:15<VivekVC>I've not been using it for a while so I need some hand holding initially.
09:15<nilsFR13>yes they are the same size, found out with fdisk, but, they are not same disk (brand etc.)
09:15<twb>VivekVC: version control systems are pretty portable across operating systems, or at least across unix-like operating systems. The only really Debian-specific information is that you run "aptitude install foo" to install them.
09:16<suiside>VivekVC: define "best"
09:16<twb>VivekVC: I suggest you either start with darcs, since it has a very simple user interface.
09:17<twb>VivekVC: has an introductory tutorial
09:17<VivekVC>twb: I am trying to learn programming and I am trying to download some source code from various projects. And I am trying to learn how to do it.
09:17<VivekVC>twb: I guess svn is what is used by most projects now right ?
09:17<twb>That is debatable.
09:18<twb>It really depends on who you hang out with. Debian internals people seem to use svn; Ubuntu people seem to use bzr. Lispers and Haskellers mostly use Darcs.
09:19<Rajohan>how can i see witch grapoic card i have in linux?
09:19<VivekVC>I mostly hanf out with Debian folks.
09:19<twb>Of course, you can get source code simply by running "apt-get source foo"; you needn't use any version control system.
09:19<suiside>Rajohan: lspci
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09:19<twb>Rajohan: lspci | grep VGA
09:19<twb>VivekVC: are you the same VivekVC of #emacs?
09:20<VivekVC>twb: Yes
09:20<twb>nilsFR13: sorry for the delay. Why not just use dd to copy the data verbatim from one disk to another?
09:21<twb>nilsFR13: you don't need to change runlevel or anything like that to do that; the only data that might not copy properly is files that are actively being edited -- particularly RDBMSes and MTAs are likely to be affected.
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09:21<nilsFR13>(no problem), ok, why not, didn't touhgt about it, so, dd will copy the full disk ? partition table and partition ?
09:21<VivekVC>Former GNU Webmaster and GNU Savnnah volunteer. As you can see I am not a new kid off the block. Just that I've not been into FOSS for a while.
09:21<twb>nilsFR13: if you instruct it to copy the whole disk, yes.
09:21<VivekVC>Just trying to brush up a bit.
09:22<VivekVC>twb: Sorry if I am asking too many questions :)
09:22<nilsFR13>ok, so I have to check if my users have open file on /home ?
09:22<twb>VivekVC: so you've been away from the FOSS community for a while?
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09:22<twb>nilsFR13: how important is this system?
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09:22<nilsFR13>2 users !, very small system !!!
09:23<nilsFR13>but I would like to do it the right way to learn
09:23<twb>nilsFR13: for an unimportant system, I'd be inclined to just copy everything with dd, then boot off the new disk and see what's broken. If anything is broken, you open the old disk read-only and copy the files across individually.
09:23<VivekVC>twb: Yep, I was doing worked which involved debian but I was using proprietary tools
09:23<lupine>dd over netcat! :D
09:23<twb>nilsFR13: if that's a bit to cowboy for your tastes, you can do it differently.
09:23<VivekVC>twb: I now have joined DeepRoot Linux Pvt Ltd
09:23<twb>lupine: firehose
09:23<nilsFR13>over netcat ? what does this mean ?
09:24<twb>nilsFR13: don't worry
09:24<VivekVC>So i am trying to brush up everything.
09:24<twb>nilsFR13: lupine is just going off on a tangent
09:24<twb>VivekVC: cool.
09:25<Rajohan>You appear to be running an X server; <-- what does this mean?
09:25<nilsFR13>well, as you said, it might be a bit too cowboy ..., I would like to do it cleanly as possible
09:25<Rajohan>trying to install gracpic card driver
09:26<nilsFR13>that's why I was wonderin about the runlevel, to make my users stop using the server, and let me connect via ssh
09:26<twb>Rajohan: an "X server" is the thing that draws pretty pictures and small text
09:27<Rajohan>how can i exit it?
09:27<twb>Rajohan: the stuff you see scrolling past during boot is what you get if you're not using X
09:27<Rajohan>it says i have to exit x server if i should install
09:27<twb>Why do you want to exit it?
09:28<Rajohan> <--
09:28<twb>You are probably doing it wrong.
09:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
09:29<twb>Rajohan: are you following that document?
09:29<Rajohan>no im not
09:29<nilsFR13>can I rename K20ssh in _K20ssh to still have my sshd while runing runlevel 1 ?
09:30<twb>Rajohan: please do so.
09:30<twb>nilsFR13: you should rename the K in /etc/rc1.d/K??ssh to an S
09:30<twb>nilsFR13: (I think; I haven't done that in a while)
09:31<lupine>if using the nvidia installer, you have to stop X while it runs
09:31<twb>I wish people wouldn't use tainted video drivers
09:31<nilsFR13>héhé, ok, is it the good way to keep sshd while switching from 2 to 1 runlevel ?
09:31<lupine>( /etc/init.d/?dm stop ; use start to bring it back up)
09:31<twb>nilsFR13: I don't know.
09:31<lupine>I wish nouveau were better
09:31<twb>nilsFR13: I'm not convinced you need to enter runlevel 1 in the first place.
09:32<twb>lupine: or y'all could, you know, buy hardware that's not made by total bastards
09:32<lupine>mind you, last time I used the installer, it put half the files in the wrong place
09:32<lupine>meh, I've got what I've got
09:32<nilsFR13>ok, then, how can I make the users logged out ?, they are using SAMBA, maybe, I can stop SAMBA only ?
09:32<twb>That's only an excuse if it's hardware you bought before you Saw the Light
09:32<lupine>feel free to buy me a new motherboard with an integrated Intel chip,
09:33<lupine>not to mention a new CPU and some RAM
09:33<twb>It's not like Radeon 9000's are particularly expensive, what with being 6 years old.
09:33<lupine>it's not like they're particularly useful to me either, what with being 6 years old
09:33<twb>You play too many games then
09:34<lupine>hardly any
09:34<twb>Or use loser wanky garbage like beryl
09:34<lupine>nope. no beryl
09:34<twb>What, then?
09:35<amphi>beryl would run well on a radeon 9000
09:35<twb>amphi: it doesn't run well. I tried it yesterday, for a laugh.
09:36<lupine>yeah, it runs. Ran. Fne
09:36<lupine>as long as you don't enable every plugin in existence
09:36<twb>Well, I tried compiz
09:36<lupine>"Compiz Fusion", haha
09:36<Rajohan> <-- im getting this while running m-a auto-install nvidia
09:36<amphi>twb: compiz runs fine on my mobility radeon 7500
09:36<twb>amphi: are you using the Free drivers?
09:36<amphi>twb: yes
09:37<amphi>on testing
09:37<twb>Oh well, compiz is crap so I don't care.
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09:39<Rajohan> <-- im getting this while running m-a auto-install nvidia
09:40<lupine>Rajohan: are contrib and non-free enabled?
09:40<Rajohan>how can i check?
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09:41<lupine>in /etc/apt/sources.list
09:43<nilsFR13>re, I tried apt-get install partman-base but it cannot find the "paquet" and apt-get update works well, any idea ?
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09:43<twb>nilsFR13: what is partman?
09:44<nilsFR13>isn't it the tool to manage partitions ?
09:44<twb>I've never heard of it.
09:44<twb>parted and sfdisk are tools to manage partitions.
09:44<nilsFR13>ok all right
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09:45<nilsFR13>and whitch package should I download to have them ?
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09:45<nilsFR13>FYI (but in french) :
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09:46<chakal>nas a todos
09:46<gsimmons_>nilsFR13: 'parted' and 'util-linux', respectively.
09:46<nilsFR13>ok, thanks
09:47<Rajohan>lupine: i got: deb etch/updates main contrib and deb etch main
09:47<nilsFR13>do you know the difference between fdisk and sfdisk ?
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09:48<twb>Nope; I use parted.
09:48<nilsFR13>is there any semi-graphic tool ?
09:48<lupine>Rajohan: add "contrib non-free" to the end of the second line.
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09:49<lupine>then you can sell your Freedom for extra FPS :)
09:49<twb>nilsFR13: gparted
09:49<twb>lupine: hmph
09:49<nilsFR13>but this one runs via Gnome, is there a "text window" tool ?
09:50<twb>nilsFR13: parted has a text interface.
09:50<twb>I'm still confused why you aren't using dd as I advised and you agreed was a good idea.
09:51<twb>Why doesn't postfix(8) like cruft(8)? <>
09:51<lupine>hey, they have a "partimage"
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09:51<nilsFR13>in command line, but you don't have a text windows interface with it ?
09:51<twb>What would be the point?
09:51<twb>Perhaps you want cfdisk, which is menu-driven.
09:51<lupine>the debian installer comes with an ncurses interface, doesn't it?
09:51<nilsFR13>ha, partimage !, I have a look
09:51<lupine>(for partitioning)
09:52<twb>lupine: the debian-installer has both a fb+bogl-bterm+curses and a fb+gtk interface.
09:52<Rajohan>lupine: same happens and now i got deb etch main contrib non-free and deb etch/updates main contrib
09:52<lupine>Rajohan: did you apt-get update ?
09:52<Rajohan>yeah i can try again
09:53<nilsFR13>well partimage is to make images, I would like to copy a disk or partitions on a other disk, doesn't want to make images right now
09:54<gsimmons_>nilsFR13: Then use 'dd', as twb advised previously.
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09:54<nilsFR13>ok then
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09:56<sssvi01>can i ask vlc related problems here
09:57<twb>Ask, and we'll decide whether it's worth answering.
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09:58<Rajohan>lupine: ok it got installed now.. is the drivers installed then?
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09:59<sssvi01>i compile and install vlc 0.8.6c in my system but i can not play avi(xdid/divx), and wmv files
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09:59<sssvi01>but my old vlc can play all
10:00<Rajohan>lupine: after apt-get install nvidia-glx is i finished then?
10:01<twb>sssvi01: you probably need to install non-Free codecs.
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10:02<twb>sssvi01: /usr/share/doc/*vlc*/README.Debian* probably has more information
10:02<sssvi01>but my old vlc can play all
10:03<twb>So what?
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10:03<lupine>Rajohan: pretty much. Change the graphics driver to "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and restart X
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10:03<sssvi01>i do no uninstall any codec
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10:04<sssvi01>ok i search /usr/share/doc/*vlc*/README.Debian*
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10:04<lupine>sssvi01: perhaps you forgot to compile support for the playing mechanism into your custom VLC?
10:04<twb>lupine: did he compile it by hand?
10:05<twb>I missed that.
10:05<sssvi01>where to get non-free codecs
10:05<twb>Oh right.
10:05<lupine>(presumably w32codecs, though tht's a guess)
10:05<twb>WHY did you compile vlc by hand?
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10:06<gsimmons_>sssvi01: You were probably missing ffmpeg (primarily) and others prior to your compile. Read all about it here: <>
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10:06<lupine>twb: it gives you a rush of powah, don't you know? :)
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10:07<twb>It wastes your time and the time of support persons.
10:07<twb>The rule of thumb for compiling by hand is: don't.
10:08<lupine>the rule of thumb for rules of thumb is: there are always exceptions
10:08<lupine>the REAL question is why s/he isn't using mplayer ;)
10:08<Rajohan>lupine: it is nvidia now how can i restart x?
10:08<twb>But unless you are able to explain why your case is exceptional, you should obviously stick to the rule.
10:09<lupine>Rajohan: ctrl+alt+backspace will kill X and all your running graphical programs
10:09<Rajohan>how to start again?
10:09<lupine>it'll do so automatically, unless something is wrong with the configuration
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10:09<lupine>nobody ever waits
10:09<sssvi01>i compiled it because i informed that vlc 0.8.6c cam play drm wmvs
10:09<twb>lupine: he's been coming here for three days.
10:10<amphi>sssvi01: what a treat ;)
10:10<lupine>"in which case, change "nvidia" back to "nv""
10:10<twb>And being annoyingly obtuse in that time.
10:10[~]lupine refuses to look at DRM pr0n
10:10<gsimmons_>sssvi01: That is so, so wrong <>.
10:10<lupine>have some principles :D
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10:10<twb>lupine: says the guy using nvidia
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10:10<lupine>"some" principles
10:11<twb>If it comes to that, why aren't you running gnuisaince?
10:11<twb>Or however it's spelt.
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10:11<twb>I hate that version
10:11<lupine>because stroking the FSF's ego isn't my favourite past-time
10:12<twb>You realize that your current kernel contains non-Free software, and that the gnewsense developers spend their days removing it?
10:12[~]lupine is virtuous enough IRL... he deserves a break IRC :p
10:12<sssvi01>why vlc repo dos not providing v0.8.6c
10:12<lupine>totally. You realise I don't care?
10:12<twb>I guessed as much.
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10:13<lupine>sorry, but I'm a linus fanboi in this respect :p
10:13<twb>Linus is a twerp
10:13<twb>He was trolling against Screen the other day
10:13<gsimmons_>sssvi01: I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve. You won't be able to play DRM-protected video clips with any version of vlc (unless the VideoLan wiki is inaccurate).
10:13<lupine>"oh noes"?
10:13<tark>hey guys
10:14<tark>i was wondering
10:14<lupine>this is the internet. Everyone's a twerp - that's why it's Serious Business :p
10:14<amphi>got lied to me recently
10:14<tark>is there a way to export all installed packages on a system ?
10:14<amphi>er, git
10:14<Supaplex>tark: yes
10:14<lupine>dpkg -l
10:14<sssvi01>so how to play DRM-protected wmvs
10:14<Supaplex>tark: man dpkg, see 'selections'
10:14<tark>thanks :)
10:14<tark>ty Supaplex
10:15<Darksmurf>looking for iptables help. Can someone look at and see if the iptables rules do what the comments say? eth4 is the external NIC eth3 is internal.
10:16<sssvi01>is there any way to play DRM-protected wmvs?
10:16<twb>Who cares?
10:16<Supaplex>mplayer might
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10:18<twb>Argh, stupid html2ps
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10:22<lupine>hmm; WMP under wine?
10:22<lupine> maybe not
10:22<twb>Ew, ew, ew.
10:22<twb>Also, assumes IA32 or AMD64.
10:22<lupine>it beats WMP under qemu
10:23<lupine>although not by much :p
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10:32<db>hallo zusammen
10:33<db>vielleicht kann mir hier jemand helfen meine xorg.conf einzustellen? Mein Monitor zeigt bei meiner Standart Auflösung (1280x1024) "Out of Range" an.
10:33<dpkg>it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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10:40<Pirigoso_BRA>e ae
10:40<Pirigoso_BRA>tem alguem ai
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10:40<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:42<sssvi01>hoe to uninstall vlc?
10:42<sssvi01>how to uninstall vlc?
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10:43<Pirigoso_BRA>i, install new debian etch and now problem , the pam and sasl dont autenticate postfix
10:43<Pirigoso_BRA>one expert to help me?
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10:44<chealer>sssvi01: the same way you uninstall any package, applied to vlc
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10:44<lupine>after compiling and installing it manually?
10:44<Pirigoso_BRA>how vlc?
10:44<gsimmons_>chealer: He had compiled and installed it from source.
10:45<lupine>perhaps "make uninstall" if you still have the source tree installed
10:45<Pirigoso_BRA>i install from apt
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10:45<Pirigoso_BRA>i inplement postfix+sasl+mysql+pam(smtp autenticate)
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10:46<Pirigoso_BRA>in server debian3 i dont heve problem
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10:46<Pirigoso_BRA>in 4 the now
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10:46<gsimmons_>Pirigoso_BRA: For SASL, you'll need to amend your Postfix configuration (and user/group association) to place the saslauthd socket within the Postfix chroot. /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin/README.Debian describes the necessary configuration amendment.
10:47<sssvi01>i compiled vlc not apt-get
10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>i install correct
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10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>the problem is pam insist in 1 postfix/smtpd[24848]: sql_select option missing
10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>Jul 21 12:32:02 vipnet1 postfix/smtpd[24848]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available
10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>Jul 21 12:32:02 vipnet1 postfix/smtpd[24848]: _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql
10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>Jul 21 12:32:02 vipnet1 saslauthd[7389]: pam_mysql - SELECT returned no result.
10:47<Pirigoso_BRA>Jul 21 12:32:02 vipnet1 saslauthd[7389]: DEBUG: auth_pam: pam_authenticate failed: User not known to the underlying authentication module
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10:48<Pirigoso_BRA>i dont use auxprop
10:49<Pirigoso_BRA>and my smtp i set saslauthd
10:49<Pirigoso_BRA>login plain
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10:49<piju>hello all
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10:50<piju>can i ask questions here ?
10:50<Pirigoso_BRA>how u question guy
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10:51<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
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10:51<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
10:52<piju>ok. my question isk . is there any flash plugins for firefox in debian amd64 ?
10:52<infignus>one probrem i have: i cant download iceweasel ver 2004, all repos are correct
10:52<infignus>where i can find it?
10:52<twb>ver 2004 hasn't been released yet
10:52<twb>It probably won't be for millions of years
10:53<Pirigoso_BRA>download packege firefox now and configure /home/user/.firefox
10:53<Pirigoso_BRA>create file
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10:53<infignus>i have 0.3 and I have polish language file for ver. 0.4 and it not work ;(
10:54<twb>You should have considered that before nuking Wales.
10:55<infignus>i need correct version of browser or language add on
10:55<infignus>where i can find it?
10:55<infignus>deb file will be good
10:55<twb>infignus: aptitude install iceweasel-l10n-pl
10:55<infignus>to done it
10:56<infignus>i have newest ver of language pack
10:56<twb>Then you are foolish.
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10:57<infignus>ver must be the same
10:57<infignus>i must have ver of iceweasel
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10:58<twb>Or you could just install the matching version of the l10n package.
10:58<twb>01:55 <twb> infignus: aptitude install iceweasel-l10n-pl
10:58<twb>zineey: pl is the ISO 639 code for Polish.
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10:59<twb>And if you want to talk about programming languages, Prolog had it long before Perl tried to steal it.
11:00<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
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11:01<fxiny>zineey: i'll light a candle for this sacrilege to my Larry Wall altar :)
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11:04<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
11:04<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
11:04<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
11:04<sssvi01>i can not change brightness of movie i played using totem/mplayer/xine
11:04<dpkg>Ask me about iomega ditto
11:04<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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11:04<infignus>I done it... but my apt tell me that i have newst version of l10n-pl pack is ver. but my browser have ver - is oldest. When i do apt update/upgrade my apt tell me what i have all newest ver of this programs... Why? All repos be good... but it not works. I need *.deb file of iceweasel ver. or iceweasel-l10n-pl to ver. HELP plz
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11:05<infignus>someone help?
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11:06<dondelelcaro>infignus: apt-cache policy l10n-pl; or whatever the package you're trying to upgrade will tell you what is going on.
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11:07<infignus>dondelelcaro, how?
11:07<dondelelcaro>infignus: type into a console: apt-cache policy l10n-pl;
11:07<dondelelcaro>infignus: or whatever the actual package name is that you're trying to upgrade
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11:10<theimrot>i have problems to install apche2 with SSI, in httpd.conf is empty
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11:10<infignus>dondelelcaro, apt tell me what i have newest ver of iceweasel!!! :(((( but I HAVE OLDEST!!
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11:11<fxiny>version ?
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11:12<infignus>i have 0.3 and I need 0.4
11:12<fxiny>check your sources
11:12<infignus>have good
11:12<fxiny>like ?
11:13<dondelelcaro>infignus: lose the extra punctuation, please. What does apt-cache policy iceweasel; or dpkg -l iceweasel; say?
11:13<gsimmons_>theimrot: This is intentional, use apache2.conf and sites-available/* for web server configuration. Also see 'man a2enmod'.
11:13<dondelelcaro>infignus: if it's, then you've got the right version installed. You may need to restart your browser if it's showing an old version number.
11:13<infignus>deb lenny main non-free contr
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11:13<theimrot>gsimmons: ok?!
11:13<infignus>dondelelcaro, i need download it
11:14<infignus>deb file with ver
11:14<dondelelcaro>infignus: no, you just need to aptitude update; aptitude upgrade;
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11:14<infignus>it not works
11:15<dondelelcaro>infignus: if it doesn't upgrade to, then you have to show us the apt-cache policy iceweasel output.
11:15<infignus>apt-get upgrade/update/install iceweasel not works!
11:15<dondelelcaro>failure to do so is going to cause me to not bother further
11:15<infignus>debian:/home/infi# apt-cache policy iceweasel
11:15<infignus> Zainstalowana:
11:15<infignus> Kandydująca:
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11:16<dondelelcaro>infi_: use a paste site, like
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11:17<shennie>Good evening
11:18<twb>Why don't people listen?
11:18<infi_>sry 4 caps
11:18<shennie>I am in console mode so i cannot check the internet for my problem. Im trying to install something and it asks for my kernel-headers. So i got 2 questions, how do i check my kernel version, and how i find the matching headers?
11:18<theimrot>gsimmons: it tells me, that i must add "Includes to the Options directive. Where ist it in file apache2?
11:18<infi_>dondelelcaro, and?
11:18<twb>shennie: w3m is a text-mode browser.
11:18<dondelelcaro>shennie: you can, actually... links
11:18<twb>dondelelcaro: boo
11:19<witte>shennie: uname gives your kernel version
11:19<achim>uname -a gives kernel version
11:19<dondelelcaro>infi_: is the newest version for testing
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11:19<shennie>witte: thanks, and how i get the headers? in apt?
11:19[~]twb uses w3m-el as its primary browser
11:19<witte>uname -a indeed as achim said, and you can do a "apt-cache search linux-headers"
11:19<twb>shennie: why do you want them?
11:20[~]fxiny uses Walilla browser : $browser->agent("Wallilla")
11:20<fxiny>i WON !
11:20<infi_>ok but why apt download me 0.4 language pack ?
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11:21<gsimmons_>theimrot: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, line 11.
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11:22<dondelelcaro>infi_: because that's the version of the l10n pack that exists
11:22<infi_>where i can do downgrade of my panguage pack?
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11:22<twb>infi_: cd && mv .mozilla .mozilla~
11:23<twb>Or perhaps install -d --backup ~/.mozilla
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11:23<dondelelcaro>infi_: why do you need to downgrade it?
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11:23<twb>dondelelcaro: becuase he installed a newer version than the iceweasel in his release
11:23<dondelelcaro>twb: it doesn't matter
11:24<dondelelcaro>or at least, it shouldn't matter
11:24<twb>I see. I didn't know, because iceweasel is bloated and difficult to use, so I don't :-)
11:24<theimrot>gsimmons: when i do Options +Include in that section, nothing happens, the SSI is not worked
11:24<infi_>i need ver of language but i have 0.4 and it not work
11:24<dondelelcaro>infi_: why doesn't it work?
11:25<gsimmons_>theimrot: 'Includes'. It's plural.
11:25<theimrot>gsimmons: i do it
11:25<dondelelcaro>infi_: if you add a stable sources.list line you can install the version from stable, but the language pack should work with the version of iceweasel.
11:25<theimrot>gsimmons: when i do Options +Includes
11:25<theimrot>gsimmons: i do Options +Includes
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11:26<infi_>iceweasell tel me in addon that: Polish language pack ver is not compatibile with Iceweasel
11:27<infi_>dondelelcaro, understand?
11:27<gsimmons_>theimrot: 1) Restarted/reloaded Apache, after making the configuration changes? 2) Have you placed the .shtml files within /var/www? 3) Do they have valid SSI directives?
11:28<dondelelcaro>infi_: hrm. well, file a bug against it, then add a sources.list entry for stable, like 'deb stable main non-free contrib', and aptitude install iceweasel-l10n-pl=; or whatever is correct.
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11:28<fxiny>infi_: you mean : preferences > general > languages ?
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11:28<infi_>tools --> add on --> lang
11:29<madmantm>Quick question, why when i do a aptitude upgrade openoffice2 or any other program, he decided to remove important gnome files
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11:29<twb>madmantm: insufficient data
11:29<twb>dondelelcaro: I already told him to install the l10n package via aptitude
11:30<twb>Nobody seems to do what I tell them.
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11:30<madmantm>The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
11:30<fxiny>strange , tools > add on , shows me only themes and extensions
11:30<madmantm>and its all gnome applications.
11:30<dondelelcaro>twb: ah; well, confusion is apparently par for the course
11:31<twb>Well, people only come here when they want something
11:31<twb>Then they ignore it, and continue complaining
11:31<theimrot>gsimmons: yes at /var/www there is a link index.shtml on my realyy index.shtml
11:31<witte>madmantm: which debian are you running
11:31<witte>and can you paste the output to a pastebin
11:32<witte>!tell madmantm -about pastebin
11:32<theimrot>gsimmons: i have installed new my server, since last moth it goes right at my old server
11:34<witte>madmantm: I don't use aptitude usually, but why do you use "upgrade openoffice2"?
11:35<madmantm>well some guy yesterday told me to upgrade libc6 to use this function. i expected it to work with other packages.
11:35<witte>madmantm: what does "aptitude upgrade" say (that should upgrade everything
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11:35<madmantm>i dont know i am used with apt-get
11:35<madmantm>aptitude seems to been screwing up my things lately.
11:35<witte>madmantm: I am used to apt-get as well although aptitude should be better
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11:36<madmantm>if packages are old , how do i upgrade them to newer version?
11:36<madmantm>or applications
11:36<witte>madmantm: you can try aptitude upgrade, or aptitude dist-upgrade (which should do +/- the same as the apt-get equivalents)
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11:37<madmantm>k and if i get nothing in there, means i am up-to-date
11:37<witte>madmantm: yes
11:37<frank>etch/stable does not get new versions, only security fixes
11:37<rajohan>what mysql server package should i download to debian*?
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11:38<madmantm>thanks for the info
11:38<witte>madmantm: why do you need a newer libc6 version? and which version do you have (dpkg -l | grep libc6)
11:38<madmantm>i fixed that issue, was for fuseiso
11:38<chealer>rajohan: what do you mean? what are you trying to do?
11:38<madmantm>i got backports for them.
11:39<lupine>there's only mysql-server-5.0 here
11:39<rajohan>chealer install mysql on my apache server
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11:39<rajohan>on this computer
11:39<gnufan>twb I don't want anything -- I just turned up to see what was happening. What web browser do you use btw?
11:39<chealer>rajohan: simply install mysql-server
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11:41<rajohan>chealer: yes but what version?
11:41<rajohan>its many to choose from
11:41<chealer>rajohan: which Debian suite do you use?
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11:41<rajohan>i downloaded it for a weak a ago x86
11:42<chealer>rajohan: is it Debian 4.0?
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11:42<rajohan>yes i think so
11:43<gsimmons_>rajohan: Both 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-server-4.1' will install 'mysql-server-5.0' as a dependency on Etch. You've no choice in the matter. :)
11:43<gnufan>rajohan: how are you trying to install. There is a package called "mysql-server" in Debian Etch, it'll get you a MySQL v5
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11:43<chealer>rajohan: if you're using Etch, you should have no choice. it has only MySQL 5.0
11:44<twb>gnufan: w3m-el
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11:45[~]gnufan rolls eyes
11:45<twb>For long works, I use html2ps because it has proper hyphenation
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11:45<twb> <-- example
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11:47<twb>Hmm, perhaps 20kB/s is too slow a throttle in practice.
11:47[~]twb considers doubling or tripling it.
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11:50<VivekVC>How is a IRC network name registered
11:50<VivekVC>like say or
11:50<VivekVC>or say
11:50<VivekVC>twb: Yea carefull indeed ;)
11:51<VivekVC>I know about domain registration but how is irc registered...
11:51<twb>You mean the daemon, or a user?
11:51<VivekVC>I think I did not make myself clear
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11:52<theimrot>gsimmons: how can i set my ~theimrot/homepage/ as the right directory for /var/www
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11:53<VivekVC>so my website will be but how is the network or server name registered..., or is it that any irc daemon running ob can be accessed by connectiong to /server
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11:53<VivekVC>My doubt is only about the irc. part
11:54<Supaplex>try it and see
11:54<VivekVC>I've never tried it
11:54<VivekVC>Can someone tell me if that's the way ?
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11:55<twb>VivekVC: registered with whom?
11:55<twb>VivekVC: just apt-get install ircd
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11:55<twb>You create irc.mumble the same way you make www.mumble or mumble.
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11:56<twb>Here, I just added "wildcard" to /etc/ez-ipupdate.conf and restarted it
11:56<gsimmons_>theimrot: Change the DocumentRoot directive as required in your virtual host configuration, but you'll need to ensure the 'www-data' can access that directory. Install the Apache 2 documentation ('apache2-doc' package) for further details.
11:56<twb>Now is an alias for
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11:57<twb>Since is a NATting router, this works out well -- I just send anything on port 21, for example, to the internal host `ftp', which is a role alias in /etc/hosts for ares.
11:58<twb>So, and are the same place.
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12:00<VivekVC>twb: ok
12:00<twb>Curious. Attempting to actually use that last results in a PORT error.
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12:00<VivekVC>twb I am a admin for
12:00<VivekVC>Trying to install hybrid ircd there
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12:00<VivekVC>Can you try connecting there now
12:01<VivekVC>I havn't many changes to the /etc/hosts
12:01<twb>Is that the shell server?
12:01<twb>Some guy in my local LUG does stuff to it, I think.
12:01<twb>sam watkins?
12:01<madmantm>the lug where i am is so boring
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12:02<twb>He keeps posting boring advocacy stuff about hugging trees and stuff
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12:04<VivekVC>twb: Yep
12:04<VivekVC>twb: I don't know him personally
12:04<VivekVC>I've been an nipl admin for more than a year
12:05<VivekVC>can you try connecting to irc server
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12:05<VivekVC>I get a connection refused error.
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12:07<sysop>VivekVC: when?
12:07<monra>does anybody knows a program to burn cds?
12:07<witte>monra: k3b or xcdroast
12:07<witte>monra: there are others probably
12:07<VivekVC>When I try connecting to the irc daemon on
12:07<sysop>monra: gnome cd master
12:07<VivekVC>from my computer.
12:07<VivekVC>I think there are directives i have to edit
12:08<sysop>VivekVC: may be you become banned
12:08<VivekVC>I am an admin on the machine.
12:08<sysop>VivekVC: well in this way....
12:08<twb>VivekVC: make client process failed: connection refused, :name,, :host,, :service, 6667
12:09<sysop>VivekVC: is online?
12:09<twb>sysop: ping it
12:09<sysop>VivekVC: port 6667 is open?
12:09<VivekVC>sysop: yep
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12:09<VivekVC>sysop: Do i have to open it ?
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12:10<VivekVC>sysop: It's open
12:10<sysop>port 6667 on is closed
12:10<sysop>Interesting ports on (
12:10<sysop>6667/tcp closed irc
12:11<VivekVC>How do you knpw that ?
12:11<VivekVC>nmap ?
12:11<sysop>welll if you use some other port, then tray with that
12:11<VivekVC>I can nmap from inside that server and port 6667 and 6668 is open
12:11<sysop>well, then you can connect from inside
12:12<sysop>have a lot of fun
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12:13<samo_>hi, could someone help me add gettext support to my php5 setup ?
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12:15<samo_>i done apt-get -s install php5.0-gettext
12:15<samo_>and added; in php.ini then restarted apache
12:16<samo_>phpinfo() doesn't display anything related to gettext...
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12:18<theimrot>gsimmons: i have a link-problem
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12:23<chealer>samo_: why "-s"?
12:24<samo_>chealer, sorry,i done -s first then really installed it
12:24<chealer>samo_: which Debian suite do you use?
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12:24<samo_>chealer, etch
12:25<twb>Oops, echan
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12:26<chealer>samo_: there is no php5.0-gettext package in Etch
12:27<samo_>chealer, looking back to what i done, it's apt-get install php-gettext i typed
12:27<samo_>does that mean it's not gonna be compatible ?
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12:29<chealer>samo_: do you get a warning about gettext when restarting apache?
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12:30<frank>samo_: maybe you should take a look in usr/share/doc/php-gettext the package doesn't install a lib only some php files, seems like you have do include the
12:31<frank>what is gettext for?
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12:32<samo_>frank, i wanted to install phpldapadmin
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12:34<frank>i don't see a depend on gettext
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12:36<pumpkin0>any good replacements for curlftpfs (mounts ftps via FUSE) in etch ?
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12:37<frank>what about sshfs, (not a real replacement) ..
12:37<sysop>or may be webdav
12:38<chealer>samo_: please provide /var/log/apache2/error.log
12:38<pumpkin0>frank: the server is too slow for that one. and curlftpfs is totally FUBAR in etch...
12:38<pumpkin0>sysop: is webdav as lightweigth as ftp ?
12:39<frank>can webdav be mounted?
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12:39<sysop>I really don't use that, but if you use ftp for web development (upload files to web server)
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12:39<sysop>it can be useful
12:40<pumpkin0>sysop: nope. intranet fileserver for videos. big files, fast net, fast discs, slow CPU....
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12:41<sysop>pumpkin0: well... in this case... I don't know
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12:43<sysop>pumpkin0: do you want something like shutcast?
12:44<sysop>pumpkin0: I don't know the word, but something like broadcast and streaming media?
12:45<pumpkin0>sysop: no. there are about 20 people downloading, uploading and __editing__ the stuff. The server also has the plots (txt-files) and stills (jpegs, big). I really, really need a fileserver that can fill a 2x gigabit link.
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12:46<sysop>like say lupine
12:46<pumpkin0>lupine: way to slow. Samba pipes about 40MB/s, ftp about 180MB/s.
12:48<sysop>pumpkin0: may be is time to get a better server or network infrastructure...
12:48<sysop>load balacing servers
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12:49<piju>how can i set startup apps on my enlightement ?
12:49<piju>which file should i edit ?
12:49<piju>i already install gkrellm and i want it to start automatically when enlightement start
12:50<pumpkin0>so i guess i will wait till the next curlftpfs version hits etch ... in several months. Or i upgrade to lenny (risky ?). Or i downgrade libcurl3 (that removes openoffice). No Money, no time and a angry boss. Oh well. It's so cool to upgrade to etch (a STABLE debian released some time ago) and hit 4 bugs in one day.
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12:50<sysop>pumpkin0: use backport
12:50<piju>sysop, can u help me ?
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12:51<sysop>piju, I don't use enlightement
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12:51<sysop>piju, I think there are some file .enlightementsomething or so
12:51<sysop>piju, in your homedir
12:52<piju>i dont see any startup file on .enlightement
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12:53<sysop>did you asked to a mutual friend google?
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12:53<piju>but i didnt find any good web
12:55<sysop>piju: what version of Enlightenment?
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12:56<piju>version ?
12:56<piju>i dont know
12:56<sysop>find this file: ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order
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12:56<piju>it dont have it
12:57<piju>piju@debian:~/.enlightenment$ ls
12:57<sysop>then create it
12:57<piju>backgrounds menus_KDE
12:57<piju>cached icons menus_Other user_theme.cfg
12:57<piju> menus_GNOME themes
12:57<piju>create it ?
12:57<piju>then ?
12:57<sysop>in your home do "ls -la"
12:58<piju>then ?
12:58<sysop>there is no ".e" dir?
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12:58<piju>piju@debian:~$ cd .e
12:58<piju>-bash: cd: .e: No such file or directory
12:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 309] by debhelper
12:59<sysop>may be you have version 16
13:00<sysop>see you later
13:00<sysop>is time to go to the cinema
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13:05<samo_>chealer, sorry i was interrupted
13:05<samo_>chealer, no reference to gettext in error.log
13:05<piju>can anybody help me ?
13:05<samo_>chealer, but it says : [Sat Jul 21 20:24:48 2007] [error] [client] Invalid character at line 137, column 97
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13:21<juancgt>anyone uses the ipw2200 that can help me out? it's freezing my system everytime i try to connect to a wireless ap
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13:23<hollo>hi.. i am practice on building a lan robot, to detect which computers are on on my network.. i have used nmap to detect the available computers, but i would like to get the mac address as well.. and it seems like nmap only will tell the mac address on my local lan.. are there any other way i can do that..
13:23<hollo>expect analyzing my tcpdump..
13:24<repp_>juancgt: I use ipw22000
13:24<repp_>juancgt: thing is, mine works great!
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13:25<juancgt>repp_, ipw22000 ?
13:25<repp_>hollo: you will only ever be able to get the mac address of a machine on your local network, due to how ethernet + ipv4 work.
13:25<juancgt>repp_, I can see all the networks and such, but whenever I try to connect to one, the system crashes badly
13:25<repp_>hollo: unless you've got some ipv6 going on
13:26<hollo>repp_, ohh.. that explains a lot.. no that is ipv4..
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13:26<repp_>juancgt: that's strange. My ipw2200 works great - I'm using Debian packaged kernels, and the firmware ... I'm not sure of where the firmware I'm using came from.
13:26[~]repp_ checks the ipw2200 firmware
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13:27<hollo>repp_, hmm, well then i better find out more about that myself.. :) then i will need to have a robot on every net that i want to keep track on.. hm.. but thanks a lot for the info
13:27<juancgt>repp_, has the firmware on their website
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13:27<juancgt>repp_, i mean, It obviously works since I see all the wireless around me, but requesting a dhcp offer seems to hang the system... i was wondering what could i do to try and see whats going on
13:28<repp_>juancgt: your firmware might be mismatched
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13:29<seblu>somebody know how disable mutiple Xorg server start with gdm
13:30<witte>seblu: not with gdm, but i usually go to a terminal (ctrl-alt-F1), log in, and type "startx -- :1"
13:31<juancgt>repp_, i use the firmware v3.0, you?
13:31<repp_>juancgt: I have v3.0
13:32<repp_>Kernel 2.6.18-4-686
13:32<repp_>linux-kernel-image 2.6.18-4-686
13:32<witte>seblu: no pm please, and ok, disable, not enable :-)
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13:32<seblu>ok sorry
13:32<juancgt>repp_, me too
13:32<juancgt>its so weird
13:32<seblu>it's not easy
13:32<repp_>juancgt: What kind of laptop?
13:32<juancgt>repp_, inspiron 9300
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13:33<repp_>Mine is an IBM T42 - no relation I think.
13:33<witte>seblu: I have no idea how to do that, or where you would have to start looking
13:33<juancgt>repp_, it they are centrino, they must have a similar wireless card
13:33<witte>seblu: but i am no guru, so maybe someone else has an idea :-)
13:33<juancgt>repp_, if not the sam
13:34<seblu>i want that because, do that crash the X server and linux kernel
13:34<repp_>juancgt: are there any errors in your dmesg?
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13:34<juancgt>repp_, dmesg is clean
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13:34<juancgt>repp_, no errors reported, nor in var/log/messages
13:35<juancgt>repp_, maybe it has something to do with the ieee net stack?
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13:36<repp_>juancgt: I doubt it - unless you've compiled it yourself. That comes with the kernel, I think.
13:36<juancgt>juancgt, i did compile it myself
13:36<repp_>I do have ipw2200 in my /etc/modules
13:36<juancgt>repp_, me too. i mean, the card works, it just can't connect to anything :(
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13:37<repp_>it's a far cry from working if it can't connect ;)
13:37<juancgt>repp_, true ... but it sees everything
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13:37<repp_>Well - does it work under Windows?
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13:38<alaya>hmm my /dev/hda (cdrom) does not exist for some reason... running a custom 2.6.22 kernel...
13:38<alaya>but earlier i was listening to a CD...
13:38<juancgt>repp_, yes, and it works with ndiswrapper...
13:39<juancgt>repp_, but i needed monitor mode
13:39<juancgt>i installed the ieee from source, and if my kernel had it already, should that cause problems?
13:40<repp_>juancgt: All I can suggest is to use the stock kernel - no need to compile your own, really.
13:40<repp_>juancgt: it could very well cause trouble.
13:40<repp_>Differing compilers between your kernel and your compiled modules; different source headers; different libc...
13:41<juancgt>what should i do to fix this/
13:42<guillaume>hello, I have a strange problem with xorg, when I launch wine configuration or mixxx the screen reload and close all app, when i start again the session, the old app are still in my process list, what can do that ?
13:42<repp_>juancgt: delete all the modules you compiled - if you know which ones they were. Otherwise... well, it is risky, you can mv /lib/modules/$(uname -r) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)-bkup; then apt-get reinstall linux-image-2.6
13:43<guillaume>there is no trace in Xorg log nor in syslog
13:43<repp_>sorry, aptitude reinstall
13:43<juancgt>repp_, alright i guess i'll do that
13:43<hollo>hmm.. when i scan my network.. i dont quiet get, how can and reply as hosts which is available?
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13:44<repp_>juancgt: sorry, "aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)"
13:45<repp_>hollo: I think, on a 10/8 network, is a broadcast ip. Not 100% sure though.
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13:46<repp_>hollo: Yeah, they both are.
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13:47<repp_>hollo: So a ping to should get up to N responses, where N is the number of IP devices on your subnet.
13:47<hollo>repp_, okay.. so nmap takes this as some kind of an alias for an another host, maybe defined randomly?
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13:49<hollo>repp_, well.. just to make sure.. .0 and .255 is never a host.. just pretty confusing, maybe it means that SOME host on online on that network.. just wanted to share my thought :)
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13:50<stroyan>guillaume, Perhaps xorg did not really terminate. So the socket connections for clients remain open.
13:50<repp_>hollo: yeah, it's up to the hosts really, if they want to respond to a packet sent to a broadcast address.
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13:51<guillaume>stroyan: i'm a little in the fog where do you think i may find a trace of what's happenning ?
13:51<ewanm89_laptop>repp_: On my net they don't
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13:52<hollo>repp_, okay.. well i can see its far from everyone that wants to respond to my ping -b
13:52<stroyan>guillaume: You could look for xorg process IDs before and after the problem to see if the xorg process really exits when the problem occures.
13:52<hollo>repp_, just as you said..
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13:54<repp_>Maybe more reliable method of discovering hosts is sending an arp request for each IP in the net, if you are on a small net. nmap probably does this somewhere.
13:54<stroyan>guillaume: I don't know why the wine configuration would mess up your X session in any way. It just may be messing it up in a different way than it appears.
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13:55<piju>anybody know how to set startup apps ?
13:55<deepak>piju, using update-rc.d
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13:56<deepak>anybody know how to set spell check in thunderbird.
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13:57<guillaume>stroyan: the problem occur with few software mixx, wine untill now, but everything else seem to be ok
13:57<piju>deepak, are u sure ?
13:58<piju>what i want is, i want gkrellm on automatically when my englightement is up
13:58<piju>do u understand ?
13:58<stroyan>guillaume: Does running those put you at a gdm login screen, making you assume that the X server exited?
13:58<guillaume>stroyan: yes
13:59<stroyan>But you still see the old processes that were connected to the old X server?
14:00<guillaume>stroyan: when i launch the new session and do ps aux there are still open yes
14:00<stroyan>Perhaps you are seeing new processes started by a session manager.
14:00<stroyan>Can you confirm the process ids?
14:01<guillaume>will ckek ids sure but it will restart all thing and lirc too so bbs :(
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14:08<samo_>hi, could someone help me setup the gettext extension for php ? I have debian etch installed and apache2, thanks
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14:14[~]stroyan guesses stompy came into the wrong room :-)
14:15<stroyan>guillaume: How did your crash go?
14:16<guillaume>stroyan: I audit ps axjf outputs to see ids
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14:21<guillaume>stroyan: all is the same except /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/bin/X /usr/bin/gnome-session and process link with gnome-session
14:22<stroyan>So the old application process IDs remain the same, but you have a new X server process id that doesn't show the old clients?
14:22<guillaume>stroyan: yes
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14:23<stroyan>And the old X server process id went away. So gdm started a new one.
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14:24<guillaume>stroyan: what I found strange is that I can't see any trace of the crash of this process...
14:24<stroyan>That is really odd. The socket connections from the clients should have closed. (Or the X server shouldn't have died at all.)
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14:26<stroyan>You could use strace of the X server to see more about what happened to it. You could enable core files for the X server to get a different view of the problem.
14:26<guillaume>stroyan: I had recently an upgrade problem with libc6, could it be link with that ?
14:27<stroyan>Without more detail it is really hard to suggest what could cause the crash.
14:29<guillaume>stroyan: I'll follow your advice
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14:33<sancho1980>i am trying to assign the result of a command output to an environment variable and i need to do it in a makefile...does any one know how to do that?
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14:34<lupine>VARIABLE:=$(COMMAND) ?
14:35<sancho1980>that doesn work
14:35<sancho1980>not in a makefile
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14:40<sancho1980>i ve been trying the whole
14:40<sancho1980>trying to find the answer in the make manual
14:40<chealer>samo_: is gettext installed?
14:40<sancho1980>posting here and there
14:40<lupine>cat'ing a spare makefile I have handy gives an example: INSTALL_DATA = ${INSTALL} -m 644
14:40<sancho1980>it seems no one knows how to do that :-(
14:41<lupine>so ${command} ?
14:41<sancho1980>you mean curly brackets?
14:41<lupine>{}, indeesd
14:41<samo_>chealer, apt-get install ran
14:41<samo_>chealer, how can i verify it is installer ?
14:41<sancho1980>that doesnt work either#
14:42<sancho1980>see, im trying to do the following:
14:42<chealer>samo_: your favorite package manager should let you see that easily, unless that's apt-get.
14:42<sancho1980>i want environment variable X to be assigned the output of "stat -c %s ./gdt.bin"
14:42<samo_>chealer, if i do apt-get install php-gettext again it says it's already the newest version
14:43<samo_>chealer, so i think it is installed
14:43<chealer>samo_: gettext, not php-gettext
14:43<chealer>samo_: do you have X on that machine?
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14:44<samo_>chealer, yes apt-get gettext says the same thing
14:44<samo_>chealer, yes I have X
14:44<chealer>samo_: then you can use Synaptic instead of apt-get
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14:45<chealer>samo_: please publish phpinfo's output.
14:48<chealer>samo_: are you using sarge or what?
14:48<samo_>chealer, no it's etch
14:49<chealer>samo_: which Apache version is installed?
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14:50<samo_>chealer, apache2
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14:50<chealer>samo_: not just 1/2, precisely
14:51<rex> '/list *debian*'
14:51<rex> /list *debian*
14:52<rex> /list
14:53<sancho1980>is there a way to append the output of one command to the current command...e.g. something like: X= | grep ls foo*
14:53<samo_>chealer: 2.0.55-4
14:53<chealer>samo_: that's not Etch's apache2 version.
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14:54<samo_>chealer, i ran a dist-upgrade about a month ago... i thought i had a etch installed now
14:55<chealer>sancho1980: yes. for example, with bash, $ FOO=`echo bar`; for FOO=bar.
14:55<chealer>samo_: did you run update before dist-upgrade?
14:56<samo_>chealer, yes I had (I folowed a tutorial online)
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14:56<chealer>samo_: please publish your sources.list
14:56<samo_>chealer, but trying apt-get -s dist-upgrade now, apache 2.2-3 is in the list of paquagees to be installed
14:56<samo_>chealer, how do I publish in this ?
14:57<chealer>samo_: strange, but...go ahead
14:57<chealer>samo_: you use a paster, but that's no more useful now that you realized dist-upgrade will help.
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14:57<samo_>chealer, okay, I runthe update
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14:59<sancho1980>can no one help me?
14:59<samo_>chealer, I just did apt-get update again before doing the update ; it says : W: GPG error: stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
14:59<chealer>sancho1980: how? your question was already answered.
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14:59<sancho1980>no it wasnt
15:00<sancho1980>sorry i missed that
15:00<tsairox>I have googled so far, with no luck Does anybody know how to use gparted to resize /tmp? My partitions are all locked so I can't resize
15:01<chealer>samo_: non-us is no more used, you should remove it from your APT sources.
15:01<samo_>chealer, thanks, I fix this and run the update
15:02<sancho1980>but the answer doesnt doesnt refer to the output of a command
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15:02<chealer>sancho1980: yes it does. "bar" is the output of $ echo bar;
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15:03<sancho1980>is "bar" a command?
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15:03<tcsetattr>eval foo=$(eval `echo echo bar`)
15:03<chealer>sancho1980: no, it's a dummy argument to echo
15:03<tcsetattr>just to confuse you more. the command was "echo" :)
15:04<sancho1980>i dont get it..suppose i have a variable X and i want this variable to be assigned the output of the command "stat -c %s ./gdt.bin"...the problem is, i want to do it in a makefile and X="$(stat -c %s ./gdt.bin)" doesnt work
15:05<sancho1980>how would you write that?
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15:09<sancho1980>X=`stat -c %s ./gdt.bin` doesnt weork either
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15:17<tcsetattr>a Makefile is not a shell script
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15:22<sancho1980>i know
15:22<sancho1980>but how can i do it
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15:23<bYp>hi I have some realy dumb question... how can i open some ports on my linux machine? i use firehol and even if I write rule server accept all and client accept all i can't see any open port (it shoud be at least 22 cuz i have sshd running and listening) any suggestins? please help:)
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15:26<tcsetattr>GNU make has the $(shell cmd) extension, maybe you're looking for that.
15:27<sancho1980>how does that work
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15:27<sancho1980>the command is "stat -c %s ./gdt.bin"
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15:27<sancho1980>and it shall be assigned to X
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15:28<phillipsjk>bYp: your ISP may be blocking the ports
15:28<phillipsjk>try port 2222
15:29[~]phillipsjk it took a year for me to track that one down....
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15:31<bYp>phillipsjk: no it's not this case... i can't see open ANY port... all are closed.. from outer side... when i have two network card (eth0 and eth1) it works, but now I added ath0 (wi-fi) and can't figure what's going on.... but masqarade and routing is working...
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15:44<Guest906>Hi, what is the command to add in the Key file of fluxbox to open a command box like Alt+F2 on gnome or xfce please ( sorry about my poor english :p )
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15:45<tamtam>i need help mounting usb-storage with linux kernel
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15:46<ctatuk>anyone know of a way to have aptitude list all packages installed on a system?
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15:47<tamtam>you can use dpkg
15:49<tamtam>try "dpkg --get-selections"
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15:50<phillipsjk>bYp: " Interface statements filter traffic only from/to the firewall host. Router statements filter traffic that passes through the firewall host."
15:51<ctatuk>tamtam: cool thanks
15:51<tamtam>np, fine
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15:54<tamtam>does anyone know where can i find my usb-storage-device? /dev/sg0 is not working
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15:55<sancho1980>hmmm..the problem seems to be that i dont know how to pass an environment variable to a command in a make fiel
15:55<Cat>dmesg | tail just after you plug your usb storage device
15:56<ctatuk>tamtam: or possible `ls /dev/media/`
15:56<tamtam>Cat: usb-storage: device scan complete
15:56<tamtam>Cat: ...
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15:56<tamtam>schould i past to flood
15:57<ctatuk>ls /dev/media
15:57<tamtam>ls: /dev/media: No such file or directory
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15:58<tamtam>Cat you're in flood?
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15:59<Cat>tamtam I'm now in flood
15:59<tamtam>Cat: allready pasted it
15:59<tamtam>Cat: you should see
16:01<Cat>tamtam, did you try /dev/sda0?
16:02<tamtam>mount says "mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device"
16:02<tamtam>fdisk lets me wait forever, i get no promt
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16:04<Cat>tamtam: are you sure /dev/sg0 is the correct device?
16:04<Cat>maybe you should try sda0 or sda1
16:04<tamtam>Cat: i read somewhere that i should be mapped somewhere
16:04<tamtam>Cat: they don't exist
16:05<samo_>chealer, the upgrade damaged the apache installation
16:05<tamtam>Cat: i installed sg3-utils, don't know if they are useful
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16:07<Cat>tamtam: does your hdd work? is it formatted?
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16:08<tamtam>it's new
16:08<tamtam>i wanted to run fdisk on it
16:09<Cat>tamtam: fdisk /dev/sg0 doesn't work?
16:09<tamtam>Cat: right
16:10<tamtam>Cat: unfortunately i get no promt
16:10<Cat>tamtam: ok. sorry, I can't help you
16:10<samo_>chealer, it's back in business
16:10<tamtam>Cat: anyway, thanks
16:11<samo_>chealer, gettext for php is now working, thanks a lot for your help and patience
16:11<Cat>tamtam: you're welcome ;-)
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16:18<alk3>what is the best alternative to Apache, and leaves a very small memory inprint
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16:21<alk3>its for a virtual private server and I am trying to get a web site on it.. but RAM is limitted
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16:22<lupine>lighthttpd ?
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16:23<lupine>that said, I run apache in 128MB RAM and it's fine
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16:23<alk3>its a virtual private server. we are trying to conserver RAM. we need as little RAM used as possible. so we can use it for other things
16:23<alk3>we only have 256MB
16:24<alk3>going to run IRCd, SSHd, proxy
16:24<alk3>and have ~10 users
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16:43<kam87>HEllo i'm running an install of debian etch and am having problems with a PCI ethernet card. The card is a 3Com Corporation 3c905b rev 30 and it comes up in lspci but when i run ifconfig i do not have an interface all i get are the loopback interface and the interface for my ppp adsl modem. IS there anything i can do to troubleshoot this?
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16:54<phillipsjk>kam87: is the card doing anything besides talking to the modem?
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16:55<Robotnik>hi guys, is it safe to use apache as a file server over a lan?
16:56<phillipsjk>What I mean is, on my router my serial port is not listed in ifconfig, even though I am running PPP on it...
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16:57<kam87>the modem is an adsl modem that uses ppoe
16:57<kam87>not ppoe
16:57<kam87>sorry sleepy
16:58<kam87>the card does nothing. i was planning to set up some sort of NAT.
16:59<phillipsjk>Kam87; I never did fiogure out how to get everthing working manually, buty your card should show up if you do a "ifconfig eth0 up" as root.
16:59<lupine>is the 3com module loaded?
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16:59<phillipsjk>note, the route table won't be fixed, so it won't do anything...
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17:00<kam87>i get a "no such device" error.
17:00<kam87>how do i check to se if the module is loaded?
17:00<lupine>then look for anything that could be 3com
17:01<lupine>e.g. 3c509x
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17:01<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
17:01<kam87>i see a module called 3c59x
17:01<lupine>that'd be it..
17:02<kam87>thats odd.. is the card cooked?
17:02<lupine>so ifconfig -a shows no possible interface?
17:02<kam87>-a shows it. came up as eth1
17:02<lupine>hehe, cool
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17:02<kam87>ifconfig without -a didnt show it..
17:03<lupine>OK, you can set up eth1 however you like
17:03<lupine>mm, it doesn't if the card hasn't been brought up
17:03[~]phillipsjk did not know about that option
17:03<lupine>no worries - I like the easy-to-fix ones
17:03<kam87>ah ok, thanx
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17:03<Robotnik>I'm trying to share files over a wireless lan, should I use ftp or apache?
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17:04<berat>pls someone check it out
17:04<lupine>Robotnik: I'd use sshfs, but that's just me
17:04<berat>how can i solve
17:04<Robotnik>lupine> what's that?
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17:04<kam87>robotnik: if bolth computers are runnong linux/unix i usually like to use rcp.
17:04<kam87>or get samba going
17:05<lupine>apt-get install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales
17:05<witte>!tell berat -about locales
17:05<lupine>Robotnik: it's a way of mounting directories on remote computers, so they appear to be local, using SSH
17:05<lupine>you need an SSH account on the other computer, though
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17:06<Robotnik>Is it as easy to set up as apache? At the moment I've put a link of a directory containing my music in /var/www . It seems quite easy, but Im not sure if its safe
17:06<Robotnik>No, I've got a couple of pcs running xp, thats the prob
17:07<lupine>mmm, if your router blocks incoming connections to port 80, it's probably safe
17:07<lupine>(and it probably does)
17:07<lupine>sshfs is *nix-only (though there are windows equivalents)
17:07<berat>when i wrote dpkg-reconfigure locales
17:07<berat>this is result
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17:08<Robotnik>thanks lupinem, what about nfs?
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17:08<lupine>berat: you need to select the different locales you want enabling
17:08<lupine>it gives you a list
17:08<lupine>just enable the ones you want
17:08<lupine>Robotnik: I've never used it, sorrty
17:08<berat>what is command ?
17:09<Robotnik>ok, thanks for the help anyway.
17:09<lupine>berat: you run "dpkg-reconfigure locales", and you get a list of possible locales
17:09<lupine>enable the ones you want (like "en_US.UTF-8") and select OK
17:09<berat>pls check it out
17:10<lupine>pls check it out
17:10<lupine>you want to be in that dialogue box, selecting your locales
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17:11<Supaplex>but will gdb /proc/self cure the common cold? ;)
17:11<lupine>once you've done that, it will fix the error
17:11<lupine>Supaplex: possibly :)
17:12<berat>perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
17:12<berat>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
17:12<berat> LANGUAGE = (unset),
17:12<berat> LC_ALL = (unset),
17:12<berat> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
17:12<berat> are supported and installed on your system.
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17:12<Supaplex>!pal berat
17:12[~]dpkg points at berat and laughs hysterically
17:12<lupine>I did read it, you know
17:12<lupine>And I gave you the solution
17:12<lupine>what more do you want?
17:12<berat>i dont understan anything
17:13<Supaplex>!breastfeed berat
17:13[~]dpkg gives berat the left nipple
17:13<berat>from address
17:13<lupine>so prefix every command you write with "LANG=C ", then
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17:14<Supaplex>echo export LANG=C >> ~/.bash_profile ; source ~/.bash_profile
17:14<Supaplex>assuming shell is bash.
17:14<lupine>the C locale is pretty crap, but that's an easier fix than an ncurses interface, I suppose
17:15<Supaplex>well, it's harmless to. it can be ingored, but how hard is it to install the locale? *yawn*
17:16[~]lupine has en_GB.UTF-8 and ja_JP.UTF-8
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17:20<phillipsjk>maybe berat is looking for "english" or "United States" :)
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17:22<lupine>[23:09] <lupine> enable the ones you want (like "en_US.UTF-8") and select OK
17:23<phillipsjk>That doesn't spell out the word English!
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17:48<bugsbunny>salut tous le monde
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17:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
17:50<db>wie nice! endlich keine Pixelige grafik mehr
17:50<db>sry fc
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18:29<ranix>linux is an operating system for faggots
18:29<ranix>I thought I was in #bsd
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18:30<salvador>amigos que configuracion tengo que hacer para correr el juego cube en debian 4.0
18:31<salvador>amigos que configuracion tengo que hacer para correr el juego cube en debian 4.0
18:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:32<lupine>I think?
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18:35<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
18:35<Supaplex>jk ;)
18:35<dpkg>Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein
18:35<dpkg>yes, lupine
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19:20<siris>Hi, I am running Debian Etch 2.6.18-4-amd64, and I have a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS sound device
19:21<siris>however I am having problems getting my audio working
19:21<siris>I have alsaconf installed
19:21<siris>and the only problem from /cat /dev/snd stat is Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
19:21<siris>any suggestions?
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19:26<Villarroel>Mmmm. How I tell arts what is the NAS server?
19:28<Villarroel>The server is also running KDE with the "enable network sound" option checked. A port is open by artsd as shown by netstat.
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19:47<zulu9>hi, is there an ETA on when openarena 0.7 will hit unstable? there is a wnpp bug about it already with no response yet
19:48<Djmaster>need help installing wireless USB adapter DWL-122 prism2 would thank for any aid
19:50<witte>!tell Djmaster -about prism
19:51<gsimmons_>zulu9: Nothing as yet. You're going to have to wait until it's packaged and uploaded to sid. You can subscribe to that bug report (#432477) if you'd like to be kept informed of developments.
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19:51<Djmaster>my system does not recognize my wireless device usb
19:52<Djmaster>my laptop is dell inspiron 2200
19:52<zulu9>gsimmons_: thanks. anything I can do (from a user-view) to help? I heard it takes a bit longer this time because they added lots of new maps and need to check licencing
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19:53<witte>Djmaster: I think you need the linux-wlan-ng package, but you have to look into that
19:53<Djmaster>dpkg, thanks
19:53<dpkg>Djmaster: pas de quoi
19:54<Djmaster>that is correct, the question is ,I must compile some modules of the kernel?
19:54<witte>Djmaster: i think you can use module assistant to install it
19:55<witte>but i am not sure, i am looking into it
19:57<Djmaster>my operating system is debian etch
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19:58<Djmaster>but it updates it to lenny, that I create
19:59<witte>Djmaster: apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant
20:00<Djmaster>I am working with the controllers to ndiswrapper, I believe that that is the solution, to compile some modules
20:00<Djmaster>ok witte
20:00<witte>and then; m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng
20:00<witte>ndiswrapper is using windows drivers under linux: that normally works, but should be your last resort
20:01<witte>use linux drivers whenever possible
20:01<Djmaster>ok witte
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20:02<Djmaster>I am executing your instructions
20:02<witte>Djmaster: you should do those as root, or use sudo of course
20:03<Djmaster>wait moment..
20:04<gsimmons_>zulu9: While not specific to openarena, the Debian Games Team have a TODO on their development page in the Debian wiki <>.
20:04<Djmaster> I am executing your instructions ,m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng
20:06<Djmaster>unloading packages
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20:09<zulu9>gsimmons_: thanks
20:09<Djmaster> did not find the headed ones for the kerrnel of the version
20:10<witte>ok, so you should install the kernel headers
20:10<witte>"uname -a" shows your kernel version
20:10<witte>and with "apt-cache search linux-header" you can find the one you want to install
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20:11<Djmaster>Linux marduk 2.6.18-4-686
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20:12<witte>ok, so you probably need linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686
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20:14<Djmaster>wait moment, reading
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20:20<Djmaster>so... apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686???
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20:21<witte>well, that should just show you the files in the repository which have teh term linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 in it
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20:21<witte>afterwards you have to install it of course ;-)
20:21<witte>apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686
20:22<witte>and afterwards you can try to do the m-a a-i.... think again
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20:22<tbrock>hey guys i was wondering if there were instructions somewhere on how to setup wordpress with debian
20:22<tbrock>like a guide
20:22<tbrock>i already have apache working
20:23<Djmaster>E: The package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 does not have candidate for its installation
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20:24<witte>Djmaster: ok that is why you should have done apt-cache search linux-headers
20:24<witte>this command gives a list of available packages
20:24<witte>there you have to choose the one most suited for your kernel
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20:25<witte>I just guessed it would be the linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 one (i don't use stable)
20:26<gsimmons_>tbrock: Version 2.0.9 of WordPress is packaged in Etch, you can install the 'wordpress' package and read /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian for further installation details.
20:27<tbrock>right ok
20:27<tbrock>gsimmons_: thanks!
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20:27<Djmaster>apt-get install linux-headers-lenny?
20:28<witte>huh? don't know, i do not think that exists
20:28<Djmaster>number headers lennyy
20:28<witte>ah, didn't you have etch?
20:29<Djmaster>but I am not safe if I made the update to lenny successfully
20:29<witte>ok ,can you paste the result of apt-cache search linux-headers into a pastebin?
20:30<witte>ah, ok you are in lenny then
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20:31<Djmaster>I am not safe if I am in lenny
20:32<Djmaster>wait paste the result od apt
20:33<witte>can you give the version number libc6 to see if you are in etch (dpkg -l | grep libc6)
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20:34<witte>ok, so the 2.6.18 kernel is not more in lenny, so also the headers are not there
20:34<witte>first you have to upgrade to 2.6.21
20:35<witte>so apt-get update install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686
20:36<witte>and you are in lenny
20:37<witte>the libc6 version is new enough
20:37<Djmaster>E: The update command does not take arguments
20:37<witte>oops, typo
20:37<witte>apt-get update install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686
20:37<witte> sorry, wrong paste
20:38<witte>just take te first apt-get command without the update
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20:38<witte>it is 3:40 in hte morning here ;-)
20:38<juanga>buenas alguien me pude dar una mano con una particion ntfs
20:39<Djmaster>we are doing it here are the 8 at night
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20:40<Djmaster>e:The update commando does not take arguments
20:40<witte>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686
20:41<witte>my first command was wrong
20:42<libereco>juanga, este no es el canal en español #debian-es
20:42<libereco>juanga, o #debian-mx también en español..
20:43<Djmaster>he last one is the suitable one
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20:45<Djmaster>you follow there
20:46<witte>Yes, probably you need to reboot into the new kernel before you can do the m-a a-i thing
20:46<Djmaster>ok , reboot?
20:46<witte>the install of the new kernel went ok?
20:47<Djmaster>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686??
20:47<witte>yes, no errors?
20:47<Djmaster>when I introduce that line leaves error E
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20:49<witte>ok so that went ok, then you can reboot
20:49<Djmaster>it mistakes to me, if this processing
20:50<Djmaster>this unloading the packages at this moment
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20:50<Djmaster>the heades
20:50<witte>ok, just wait until it is finished with installing (without errors) and then reboot
20:51<Djmaster>no errors
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20:51<Djmaster>there are no errors, all this good
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20:53<Djmaster>reboot when the unloading finishes???
20:54<witte>reboot when you get the console back
20:54<witte>so it has to install first ;-)
20:55<Djmaster>I do not speak English, you can be given account
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20:56<clos|away>hey guys, i've never used debian before, and a friend of mine needs help with his serer
20:56<witte>Djmaster: you can do it ;-), i do not need an account
20:56|-|clos|away changed nick to clos
20:56<witte>btw: i am not english speaking myself
20:56<Djmaster>I request excuses to you, but I believe that I have understood to you
20:56<clos>i know that in fedora the command would go like this - yum -y install xterm wine vnc-server
20:56<clos>in debian?
20:56<Djmaster>your native language is not the English ??
20:57<witte>Djmaster: no it is not
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20:57<witte>clos: apt-get install...
20:57<clos>apt-get -y install xterm wine vnc-server ?
20:57<clos>does it have the y switch?
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20:57<Djmaster>apt-get install what??
20:58<Djmaster>ahh sorry
20:58<Djmaster>finish download
20:58<witte>clos: yes, but you do not need the -y: better check what is going to be installed ;-)
20:58<clos>lol k
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21:00<witte>Djmaster: seems like this is ok
21:02<Djmaster>that you mean
21:02<witte>Djmaster; you use a swedish server and you speak spannish? strange combination
21:03<Djmaster>that if your you say something thus you mean that this good ??
21:03<Djmaster>yes I spanish
21:03<witte>Djmaster: I mean that the installation is done, and you can now reboot, and normally there will no problems booting into a new kernel
21:03<witte>s/will/will be/
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21:04<Djmaster>I understand to you perfectly
21:04<Supaplex>dude: where's my car?
21:05<dude>Supaplex heh
21:05<Djmaster>go will be come back ,I am already going to reboot
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21:10<witte>Djmaster: ok you are now in 2.6.21?
21:11<witte>uname -a
21:11<witte>m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng
21:12<Djmaster>Linux marduk 2.6.21-2-686
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21:16<Djmaster> finish the process
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21:16<witte>ok, now you should have the driver for you wireless
21:17<witte>i hope :-)
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21:17<witte>plug your wireless in (remove it first if necessary)
21:17<Djmaster> m-a install linux-wlan-ng │
21:17<Djmaster> │ for install
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21:18<witte>I don't understand what you mean...
21:18<Djmaster>the gui tell this: m-a install linux-wlan-ng for install
21:18<Djmaster>ok wait
21:18<witte>normally it is pretty straightforward
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21:19[~]Supaplex bores of waiting ;)
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21:19<Djmaster>promt says that it executes this order :m-a install linux-wlan-ng for install
21:19<witte>ok, that is good
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21:21<Djmaster>already this installed
21:21<Djmaster>very thanks
21:21<Djmaster>as I prove it
21:22<witte>ok, so your wireless works now?
21:23<Djmaster>I have cable of network and this position the device usb wireless but not if it already works
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21:24<witte>remove the wireless, and plug it in
21:24<witte>then do a lsmod
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21:25<Djmaster>prism2_usb 68036 0
21:25<Djmaster>p80211 28524 1 prism2_usb
21:25<Djmaster>usbhid 23488 0
21:25<Djmaster>hid 23680 1 usbhid
21:25<Djmaster>usb_storage 76384 0
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21:28<witte>ok, next time use a pastebin
21:28<witte>but i saw enough
21:28<witte>you have the prism2_usb module loaded
21:28<witte>so normally your wireless should work
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21:29<Djmaster>I disconnect the network cable
21:29<Djmaster>only use usb wirelees?
21:29<witte>there are plenty of manuals online on how to configure your wireless
21:29<witte>well, if you do that, you still have to configure it
21:30<witte>and you will have no wireless
21:30<witte>untill that momen
21:30<aricz>hi, if I copy "deb sid main contrib non-free" into /etc/apt/sources.list and execute 'apt-get dist-upgrade' .. it will upgrade to 'sid' ?
21:30<witte>better start network-admin
21:30<Djmaster>wait moment
21:31<Djmaster>start network admin
21:31<witte>aricz: yes, (but also do an update of course)
21:31<aricz>but sid is considered unstable?
21:31<witte>sid is the codename for debian unstable
21:31<aricz>just jumped from ubuntu to debian today..
21:31<aricz>aha, ok, thanks
21:32<witte>you should only run sid if you need to
21:32<witte>or if you are reasonably good with linux
21:32<witte>and you should be able to solve reasonably difficult issues
21:32<witte>like having no X for a week :-)
21:32<aricz>hm hehe
21:34<aricz>perhaps I should wait .. but having "deb sid main contrib non-free" doesn't do any harm does it? :)
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21:34<witte>aricz: well, next time you use synaptic or you want to install a new program
21:34<witte>it will install it from sid
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21:35<witte>better put a # in front of the line
21:35<aricz>so I get the newest versions of packages.. which may be unstable.. ok
21:35<witte>then it is commented out
21:35<aricz>yap, and run apt-get update afterwards again?
21:35<witte>testing is +/- unstable but lagging 10 days
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21:35<witte>so the worst bugs are not longer there
21:35<witte>probably the best for a desktop system
21:36<Djmaster>network admin???
21:36<witte>Djmaster: apt-get install gnome-system-tools
21:37<witte>with a dash in between: network-admin
21:37<witte>there are other gui tools, that is the one i know of
21:37<witte>i usually use command line, but that could be confusing in the beginning :-)
21:38<Djmaster>config net
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21:40<Djmaster>ok setup of the ned
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21:41<Djmaster>wifi radar??
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21:42<witte>Djmaster: you mean something like kwifimanager?
21:43<Djmaster> already
21:43<Djmaster>no wiki radar
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21:43<Djmaster>I am where you said to me
21:43<Djmaster>admin net
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21:44<Djmaster>network admin
21:44<witte>ok, so i imagine you can configure the net yourself?
21:44<witte>it is not that difficult
21:44<witte>just put in the essid and the key if needed
21:44<Djmaster>I believe that that it I can do
21:45<witte>ok, then I am going to sleep
21:45<witte>you can ask someone else if you cant solve it, but here it is getting light ;-)
21:45<Djmaster>I appreciate your collaboration
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21:46<witte>no problem
21:46<witte>good luck with ti
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21:46<Djmaster>no problem
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21:47<Djmaster>I am thankful to you sincerely you are very warm and thanks to share your knowledge
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21:50<bathat_>i've been trying to recover my partition table for some time now and i've run testdisk multiple times
21:50<bathat_>it was able to reveal partition information and files but i never wrote the data to disk
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21:51<bathat_>now it just says 'Disk doesn't contain a valid partition table'
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21:51<bathat_>is it possible that running testdisk so often resulted in corruption???
21:52<Supaplex>no, just too much political influence ;)
21:54<bathat_>ah sarcasm :P
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22:26<dude>wow, I used to remember when #debian numbered >500
22:26<dude>esp on a sat night :)
22:27<gravity>dude: It still does on freenode
22:27<gravity>Which was the network you're thinking of
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22:29<kersinc>irc para ubuntu en espanol
22:30<Supaplex>you've reached the english channel for debian. sorry.
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22:35<Djmaster>adding they wlan to the services of beginning of debian lenny
22:35<Djmaster>is bad??
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22:45<PqP>hello, someone can send me any link related to how install nvidia driver in debian testing ?
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22:54<CutMeOwnThroat>PqP, nope :)
22:54<CutMeOwnThroat>PqP, aptitude search nvidia
22:55<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:55<CutMeOwnThroat>!nvidia one-liner
22:55<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
22:56<CutMeOwnThroat>well, guess that should do?
22:56<CutMeOwnThroat>one addition: you can't install it when running a 32-bit system with a 64-bit kernel though
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22:58<CutMeOwnThroat>welcome... you're here to answer some questions?
22:58<alvin_lee>Yes. How you knw? heheh :)
22:59<CutMeOwnThroat>ok, how do you most easily hack NASA computers?
22:59<alvin_lee>I am triyng to use irssi with unicode support
22:59<CutMeOwnThroat>why is the sky blue?
23:00<CutMeOwnThroat>well, ok
23:00<CutMeOwnThroat>why am I so tired?
23:01<bathat_>if i ran testdisk yesterday and it was able to pick up all the partitions and, then, today, when i ran it again... nothing--what could cause that?
23:01<bathat_>i did nothing in between yesterday and today
23:02<bathat_>i'm completely confused by the whole matter
23:03<CutMeOwnThroat>whatcha mean "nothing"?
23:04<CutMeOwnThroat>anyways, if your harddisk is just in the state of breaking down...
23:04<CutMeOwnThroat>... expect the unexpected
23:04<CutMeOwnThroat>or rather saying... well, if it's breaking down, you might be lucky and be able to access parts of it sometimes, and sometimes not
23:04<CutMeOwnThroat>doesnt sound too miraculous to me
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23:05<CutMeOwnThroat>alvin_lee, havent used irssi for more than 10 seconds in my life, i think...
23:05<CutMeOwnThroat>another irc client, right?
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23:10<tbrock>hey guys i have a question
23:10<tbrock>i'm trying to setup wordpress
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23:10<tbrock>and i was running the setup-mysql script
23:10<tbrock>but it doesn't work
23:10<tbrock>it says it has an error creating symbolic link
23:10<tbrock>ln: creating symbolic link `/srv/www/' to `/usr/share/wordpress': No such file or directory
23:10<tbrock>any ideas?
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23:13<alvin_lee>oh sorry CutMeOwnThroat... i was away...
23:13<alvin_lee>but the problem is that i need unicode support
23:13<alvin_lee>and I want a text interface irc client
23:14<alvin_lee>I already tried with bitchX, scrollz and irssi
23:14<alvin_lee>xterm support unicode right?
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23:16<manphiz>alvin_lee, no it doesn't. try urxvt
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23:19<mikegrb>alvin_lee: what terminal program?
23:22<mikegrb>alvin_lee: try /set term_charset utf-8
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23:25<Deselect>hello. I just installed KDE to try it out, and didnt like it. I normally use Gnome, but now I have all these KDE apps showing in my gnome menu. I did an apt-get remove kde but they are stil there. Do I need to go through all of them manually?
23:25<alvin_lee>mikegrb xterm
23:26<alvin_lee>i used +u8 option
23:26<alvin_lee>mikegrb in irssi?
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23:28<alvin_lee>are you using utf-8?
23:29<alvin_lee>strange... at freenode I get ugly characters
23:29<mikegrb>also, is there a screen session involved? utf8 will need to be turned on there too
23:29<mikegrb>did the snowman show up?
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23:31<alvin_lee>mikegrb $LANG must be with .UTF-8 at end right?
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23:32<mikegrb>there are 90,000 places that all must be turned on ;)
23:33<alvin_lee>mikegrb I put export LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 on /etc/profile ... but it don't set at debian start :/
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23:34<alvin_lee>is it on right place
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23:40<mikegrb>I have it in my personal .bashrc
23:40<mikegrb>which is sourced from .bash_profile
23:40<mikegrb>export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
23:41<mikegrb>pt_BR.UTF-8 in your case
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23:43<alvin_lee>mikegrb bitchX don't support unicode... is true?
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23:44<Supaplex>time to switch!
23:44<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
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23:44<chealer>Deselect: you could remove a common dependency, such as kdelibs
23:45<Supaplex>Deselect: use aptitude, not apt-get
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23:48<alvin_lee>Supaplex this is the oficial version of etch...
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23:49<Deselect>chealer: Sorry, use aptitude to remove kdelibs? Or use it to select mutliple apps?
23:49<Supaplex>alvin_lee: just some irssi advocacy of a former bx user :)
23:49<chealer>Deselect: I think you meant Supaplex
23:49<Deselect>chealer: Sorry, I did.
23:50<Deselect>Supaplex: ?
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23:50<Deselect>chealer: I would need the libs still, though, if I run one or two kde apps, yes?
23:50<Deselect>Supaplex: Sorry, use aptitude to remove kdelibs? Or use it to select mutliple apps?
23:50<chealer>Deselect: one simple way would be to reinstall them after.
23:51<alvin_lee>mikegrb thanks for help... now i can see all char :)
23:51<alvin_lee>sya o/
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23:51<Supaplex>Deselect: aptitude is the new apt. it still does apt things, but better.
23:51<Deselect>Supaplex: I don't know where to find aptitude on my system, is it default installed? How is it different that apt-get?
23:53<chealer>aptitude is not the new apt.
23:53<chealer>(there is no "new apt")
23:53<Supaplex>you explain it
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23:53<mikegrb>alvin_lee: excellent
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23:57<Deselect>chealer & Supaplex: Thanks, I will reaqd that. So its preferable to APT? I read ages ago about aptitude and read that it, like synaptic, was less preferable than apt/apt-get?
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23:59<chealer>Deselect: aptitude is an APT front-end while APT is a library. you can't compare them.
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