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---Logopened Sun Jul 22 00:00:13 2007
---Daychanged Sun Jul 22 2007
00:00<Deselect>chealer: Ah, my misunderstanding. Is it not unlike Synaptic, then?
00:00<Deselect>Supaplex: I am not sure what that link you sent was meant to show? Just that Aptitude removes more packages?
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00:01<Supaplex>Deselect: that's right
00:01<Supaplex>!+info kde etch
00:01<Deselect>Supaplex: And does it install apps differently? Can you still just to aptitude-cache search to find apps?
00:01<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
00:01<dpkg>kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
00:02<Deselect>Supaplex: My apt-get remove found all those same apps, but suggested using apt-get autoremove
00:02<Supaplex>it does a lot of things differently
00:02<Deselect>Can you recommend a good primer link, showing the differences on how it works compared to apt?
00:03<Supaplex>I'm lousy at communication. I guess I picked it upwith experience
00:03<Supaplex>I don't know of any links per se
00:04<Deselect>Supaplex: I see. Well, thanks. I will look into it.
00:05<Supaplex>but as you see, aptitude selected all those packages. I think it travels the dependencies, and see what's not being used anymore. if you use aptitude with no arguments, it'll let you use an interactive session to decide what to do
00:06<Deselect>Thanks. It seems more or less the same as apt, but a front end with more options.
00:07<Supaplex>yes, and from what I've seen, it takes a layered/structured approach when handling some operations. eg, while upgrading it'll see that this set of 30 packages should be installed before attempting to touch others.
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00:07<Supaplex>I'm general and vague, but you'll catch on.
00:07<Deselect>Aptitude remove kde sure seems to select a lot of stuff I use in GNOME as well
00:08<Supaplex>if you do it interactively, you can convince aptitude you still want some packages
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00:09<chealer>Deselect: what do you refer to with "it"?
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00:10<Supaplex>he's using apt and apt-get as if they're the same, when he usually means apt-get. so what if he's lazy.
00:11<mikegrb>using aptitude is lazy, I do all my package managment with a hex editor!
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00:12<Supaplex>!win mikegrb
00:12<dpkg>Congratulations, mikegrb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
00:12<mikegrb>only second?!?!
00:13<mikegrb>I demand a recounjt
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00:13<Supaplex>I guess you're a little ugly. ;)
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00:14<sysop> is it possible run asterisk on debian embedded hardware?
00:14<chealer>mikegrb: how about recounjting yourself. dpkg, then you...that makes you second and dpkg first.
00:15<Supaplex>sysop: asterisk under debian on embedded hardware might not perform great, but it might work fine for your needs.
00:15<mikegrb>chealer: lies, dpkg is third
00:16<chealer>mikegrb: then who's first?
00:16<Supaplex>sysop: depends on what you want it to do, and if the hardware can keep up. :)
00:16<Supaplex>what's on second?
00:17<chealer>sysop: depends on what you mean by "debian embedded hardware".
00:18<sysop>asterisk under debian on embedded hardware
00:18<sysop>Supaplex, thanks
00:18<Supaplex>sysop: what's the specs? :)
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00:19<Deselect>What is the "best way" (according to Debian methodology) to install apps not listed in apt sources, such as Aptana, for example?
00:20<Deselect>I've had some Debian folk say to never install anything not listed in the apt sources, which seems a bit extreme to me
00:20<dondelelcaro>Deselect: the best way is to add a sources.list entry for them
00:20<sysop>Supaplex, some like Vyatta do with router open source
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00:20<Deselect>dondelelcaro: but not every app out there is on a custom source.list
00:21<dondelelcaro>Deselect: there's nothing stoping it from being on one
00:21<dondelelcaro>Deselect: you can get the .deb packages, stick them into a local directory, and use apt-ftparchive to make one
00:21<dondelelcaro>(you can also use dpkg -i, if you want)
00:22<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: what if there's no .deb packages what-so-ever for it?
00:22<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: then you make one
00:22<Supaplex>eg, /usr/local/ stuff
00:23<Supaplex>yeah, someday freeside will be in debian. I am so not a developer.
00:24<dondelelcaro>I mean, it's not all that difficult to create a DEBIAN/control, and install the stuff to a temp directory, and then dpkg-deb -b foodir;
00:24<Deselect>dondelelcaro: do you have any links to explain the steps needed to do what you mentioned?
00:24<sysop>some day, someone bring balance to the force
00:24<Deselect>I have installed a few apps manually via SH
00:24<dondelelcaro>Deselect: which parts?
00:25<Deselect>Creating a local source.list redirect to the file
00:25<Deselect>rather, a source.list directed to a local folder file
00:25<Deselect>Supaplex: Thanks, btw, aptitude worked like a charm. All the KDE apps are gone.
00:26<dondelelcaro>Deselect: man apt-ftparchive; or see
00:26<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: ok. is foodir where the app is at that point?
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00:26<Deselect>that link confused me more than it helped. Hah.
00:26<Deselect>I will man it
00:27<Supaplex>I'll read the man page.
00:28<Deselect>I just want to take a moment to say that many of the MAN pages suck. As a programmer, even I find them cryptic at times. We certainly aren't making it too clear to any new Linux users are people switching from Wind*ws
00:29<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
00:29<Deselect>Not to say this MAN page was one of them. I only briefly skimmed it over
00:29<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: yes
00:29<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: eg, the staged preinstall dir. cool.
00:29<dondelelcaro>dunno, I find man pages to be the best thing we have
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00:30<Supaplex>I think Deselect means a specific man page
00:30<Supaplex>no, nm that.
00:30<Deselect>yeah, many of them are terribly written
00:30<dondelelcaro>it's been a long time since I've read a manpage which was hideous
00:30<dondelelcaro>Deselect: like which one?
00:31<dondelelcaro>most of the time it seems that people conflate the "OMG it gives too much information" with "badly written"
00:31<Deselect>I can't think of one off the top of my head. I just find the format for many of them to be rather convoluted'
00:31<Deselect>No, I think it's more the format. Many of them give too much tech info right at the start and don't give a clear enough layman's desciption.
00:31<dondelelcaro>they're almost all written the same way; name, synopsis, options, examples, see also
00:32<dondelelcaro>Deselect: they're written so that in the normal usecase you can find the information you want imediately
00:32<Deselect>dondelelcaro: I understand. I guess all I am just to say is that many use a lot of "lingo" that may intimidate new users.
00:33<dondelelcaro>Deselect: that means putting the technical information at the top. The first time user gets to skip all that and continue on
00:33<Deselect>For the basic parts, as well. I mean
00:33<dondelelcaro>well, when you see lingo which is confusing, the right solution is to file a minor bug against the package in question with a patch that resolves the issue
00:34<Deselect>Ah, I will keep that in mind. I have never considered that. I guess that makes me a "bad" Debian user
00:34<dondelelcaro>since the developers and maintainers tend to know the technical jargon, they won't ever notice it
00:35<Deselect>dondelelcaro: Fair enough.
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00:36<Deselect>Thanks for the help everyone. Good night!
00:36[~]Supaplex pricks freezombie with a toothpick
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00:44<smash>hello everyone
00:45<smash>I am using debian etch. I want to configure a D-Link DWL-G510 wireless ethernet card. Can any one help me?
00:47<smash>hello everyone. can any one help a newbie?
00:50<streuner>hm, seems to be "ndiswrapper" or such :-)
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00:50<streuner>best thing would be, there is native support for that NIC
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00:50<smash>streuner.. can i configure without ndiswrapper. If it has a ralink chipset
00:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real ...
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00:51<streuner>no idea
00:52<smash>no the vendor is not providing the linux drivers in the cd.
00:52<streuner>"from the command line. there is likely no native linux driver for the card you are looking for so you will need to use a 3rd party driver written by some linux gurus"
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00:53<smash>i have an alternative to use ndiswrapper. but with which can i install the driver.
00:58<smash>streuner. from where will i get the third part drivers... is the driver available from madwifi is a third party.
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00:58<dli_>smash, you need the rt61 driver:
01:00<smash>dli_ if it is atheros or Marvel chipsets similar drivers are available?
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01:02<streuner>for a newbie you ask damn specific questions :-)
01:05<smash>streuner: sorry... dli_ said the third party driver available for ralink chipset. So i just thought, Is there similar third party drivers available for marvel or atheros chipsets.
01:06<dpkg>madwifi is probably a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
01:08<smash>thank you all.
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01:12<streuner>smash: you confuse me, you want just to make that NIC to work, right?
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01:13<streuner>smash: is that a laptop, btw?
01:15<smash>streuner: really we have 10 system in our lab with D-Link DwL g510 ethernet card. I was not aware of having different chipset for this card. I can only check it tomorrow, monday. Thats why i asked like that
01:16<smash>streuner: can u help me to change the resolution of my desktop
01:16<streuner>!drxx smash
01:16<dpkg>smash: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
01:16<smash>how can i change it other than graphically
01:17<smash>k let me try it out
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01:26<smash>thank you all
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01:39<Djmaster>hi,I have a problem in the final part of the configuration of my USB wireless DWL-122 in laptop dell inspiron 2200 somebody has some suggestion
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01:44<Djmaster>this is the problem..
01:46<dondelelcaro>Djmaster: nothing really looks wrong there
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01:50<dondelelcaro>I don't speak spanish; best to keep it in the channel
01:51<dondelelcaro>try #debian-es too if you're more confortable using a different language
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01:58<Djmaster>dondeelcaro: good, the language is not problem, I appreciate your collaboration
01:59<Djmaster>I retire to me I will return soon, thanks
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02:58<theimrot>hello, how can set a flexible hard-disk in fstab, that it boot automatical, if i connect it?
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03:11<bcochofel>Hi, why does my tty terminal or xterm console freezes when I press CTRL+S?
03:11<formorer>because you sent him SIGSTOP
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03:13<bcochofel>formorer: ok, didn't know. That gives me a problem, I'm using rtorrent with screen and CTRL+S is for restarting a download
03:13<bcochofel>formorer: how can I "unstop"?
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03:34<larso>hi, i was wondering if anybody was familiar with a bootup error for udevd stating "error getting socket: address family not supported by protocol"
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04:43<kam87>Hello, Is there a way to set the default interface that debian uses when connecting to the net? I;m having a problem where i'm connected to the net via an adsl modem on ppp0. this works fine. when i bring up eth1 it defaults to eth1 and nothing works because eth1 doesn't lead to the internet. is there any way to tell it to use ppp0 even when eth1 is brought up?
04:43<DebianRules>hi need help .. I installed the debian 4 and i want to use Webmin how i can get and to install ?
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04:44<mikegrb>kam87: you need to make sure your default route points to ppp0
04:44<mikegrb>"/sbin/route -n" will show you what you have currently
04:45<mikegrb>(doesn't need to be run as root)
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04:46<kam87>ok. gimme a sec
04:46<DebianRules>mikegrb ... do you know about webmin ? for debian 4 ?
04:47<mikegrb>no, I don't use it
04:47<mikegrb>most I've my users that do seem to get rooted often
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04:48<DebianRules>hmm ok .. any one how know where i can get Webmin ?
04:48<kam87> is the output.
04:48<dli_>DebianRules, I wonder why you need it?
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04:49<dpkg>i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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04:51<DebianRules>hmm thx streuner :)
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04:53<mikegrb>something like "route add default gw dev ppp0"
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04:54<streuner>DebianRules: $editor config-file?
04:54<kam87>lemme try that
04:54<DebianRules>yes streuner
04:55<kam87>hey, that did it, thanx!
04:55<mikegrb>does eth1 have internet access through if not you could remove the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces to keep the problem from happening
04:56<kam87>eth1 is going to a local LAN
04:56<kam87>ive got a DHCP server running on eth1
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04:56<DebianRules>streuner like its work webmin if exist new like webmin ::)
04:56<mikegrb>but does the local lan have internet access also?
04:56<mikegrb>I'm assuming not
04:56<kam87>not yet
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04:57<mikegrb>check dhcpd.conf you can probably set it to not mess with your routes
04:58<kam87>ok. i'l try and look that up.
04:58<jesperj>If I want only an user to be able to read the contents/list files in his homedir, do I do this by "chown -R user.user /home/user; chmod -R 700 /home/user; chmod u+s /home/user"?
04:59<jesperj>that is set the user ID bit on the homedir after making 700 rights on all files in it?
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05:06<dli_>jesperj, add umask 077 to /etc/profile
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05:14<jesperj>dli_, just chmod 700 /home/user seems to work fine
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05:15<verzweifelter>can anyone help me with nvidia drivers ? i have etch, and dont know what to do.
05:15<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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05:23<SouthernCxC>can anyone tell me what the default debian 4.0 kernel hz is set to ?
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05:23<SouthernCxC>is it 1000 ?
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05:24<gsimmons_>SouthernCxC: grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`
05:25<SouthernCxC>k thankyou
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05:27<SouthernCxC>it says no such file or directory
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05:32<theimrot> hello how can i automount an external disk with fstab
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05:38<fxiny>theimrot: usb ?
05:40<theimrot>no, it is normal disk /dev/hdb, but i have a slot to put in them from external, that is my backup disk
05:41<theimrot>fxiny: and i want that mount it automatica, now i have the problem, that my system not start, when the backup disk is not in there
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05:46<ninnghizidha>How can i remove a RSA Host key in .ssh/know_hosts WITHOUT using an editor?
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05:48<fxiny>theimrot: i'd check autofs
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05:51<fxiny>ninnghizidha: what about using a *streaming* editor ?
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05:52<ninnghizidha>well ... actually i am looking for an command, that removes the RIGHT line for that host automatically ....
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05:53<ninnghizidha>cant use an editor, cause i cant read the rsa-ciphered ipadresses ...
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06:03<fxiny>ninnghizidha: it does'n matter if you cannot decipher it . feed part of the cipher to a trivial sed line
06:03<ninnghizidha>hm ... quite interesting ...
06:04<ninnghizidha>i gues, i found a command for it (ssh-keygen -R hostname), but still curious about that sed
06:04<fxiny>ninnghizidha: google for "sed oneliners"
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06:08<ninnghizidha>cat .ssh/known_hosts | sed q
06:08<ninnghizidha>... still gives that chipered text :D
06:08<ninnghizidha>but thats ok ... :)
06:08<fxiny>sed '/abcde/d' file1 > file2
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06:09<ninnghizidha>"ssh-keygen -R hostname" was the answer ... :)
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06:11<ninnghizidha>This wont help, fxiny, cause the lines look like this:
06:11<ninnghizidha>|1|f1jhRIcA+5oraSuQxP/K4rcvOmU=|vsDz0z1juiEmNY+HQsgxDHJhpZI= ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1......
06:11<ninnghizidha>not like this: host ip key ...
06:11<ninnghizidha>i didnt know, what line stands for what server
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06:16<thomasbl>ninnghizidha: you can turn this kind of saving off. simple search in the net please because i dont know exactly how but i know that it works
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06:17<dondelelcaro>you generally don't want to turn the hashing of the hostnames off, actually
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06:18<tinctorius>glx stopped working for me; even glxinfo and glxgears crash my system
06:18<tinctorius>I mean
06:18<tinctorius>anything that uses glx crashes X
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06:23<fxiny>i decided to look into xmms2 cause my old box is low on resources and sometims xmms takes too much . not bad , not bad : it uses less cpu and mem
06:23<fxiny>in a screen session :))
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06:24<thomasbl>i think xmms2 can descibed with on word: *argh*
06:24<fxiny>i'm checking it
06:25<thomasbl>i checked it, too last week
06:25<thomasbl>and its horrible
06:25<fxiny>pII 400 , flux . mrxvt . screen : rtorrent irssi xmms2 . i feel like sitting on the top of the world
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06:27<thomasbl>the xmms is running on this machine without any problems?
06:27<fxiny>i forgot to tell you smiling people : streamripper runs as well *screened* :))
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06:29<fxiny>i think i will remove gxmms2 , not sure about nyello . if i can get an ape plugin for my classics music i will be more happy
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06:30<thomasbl>use mplayer ;)
06:31<fxiny>thomasbl: it can't index collections like xmms2 does
06:32<fxiny>i'm digging into a smart indexing/playlisting
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06:42<fxiny>thomasbl: yes no problems . top shows 9-10 cpu and 1.4 mem . when i scp to my backupbox xmms stutters , xmms2 keeps on playing file
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06:43<fxiny>i've seen xmms going up to 30% mem
06:44<fxiny>i'm testing it on big 100 minutes size rave files . not too bad
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06:46[~]fxiny gets popcorns&trumpets ready to watch the flying K.R. viking ...
06:46<rajohan>how do i install sound drivers?
06:47<fxiny>alsaconf ?
06:47<Skyrail>fxiny: you helped me with debian yesterday didn't you?
06:47<rajohan>fxiny: is alsaconf sound drivers?
06:47<Cave`>a new kernel in testing soon? (
06:47<fxiny>Skyrail: i hav't sees you check yet :)
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06:48<fxiny>rajohan: life is sweet this side of the moon . alsaconf is on alsa-utils . install alsa-utils then run alsaconf
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06:50<jabka>is there any legeal person i can conntect if GNU licence are going to be exploited ?
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06:50<fxiny>Skyrail: i remember now : everything ok ?
06:51<dondelelcaro>jabka: you generally contact the copyright holder, or if the FSF is the copyright holder.
06:52<jabka>thank you
06:52<fxiny>kick 'em *hard*
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06:52<TimGroe2>For those who are interested, I am now offering one free domain for a random project that is added in the next 7 days on
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07:06<deb_usr>hi everybody
07:07<deb_usr>do you knowabout linux profetional Institure certification (LPIC)
07:08<TimGroe2>:$ no
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07:09<deb_usr>i just want to know how can i use debian distribution to test standard modules
07:10<deb_usr>is the Red Hat distribution better than Debian ??
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07:10<twb>deb_usr: hahahaha
07:10<twb>deb_usr: you're funny
07:10<deb_usr>thanks ;-)*
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07:12<deb_usr>i know that debian is the ONLY Linux distribution that has been built entirely by volenteers !
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07:12<deb_usr>isn"t it ?????
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07:13<twb>Some people got paid to work on Debian
07:13<deb_usr>really ??
07:14<deb_usr>they deserve it !!
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07:14<deb_usr>twb : can i use debian in a professional context ?
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07:15<twb>deb_usr: why not?
07:16<thomasbl>fxiny: interesting! I tested i on a p4 with ~2,4 GHz and 1GB Ram and it was the exactly opposed behaviour...
07:16<deb_usr>twb : i mean, can you give me an exemple of companies using debian in their production sites ??
07:16<thomasbl>i must test it again *mindnote*
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07:17<gsimmons_>deb_usr: <>
07:17<thomasbl>deb_usr: debian is one of the most used os for production systems...
07:18<thomasbl>because its simply the best ;)
07:18<twb>No, it just sucks in the least disagreeable manner
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07:20<deb_usr>thomasbl : is there a special debian distrubution for production systems ?
07:21<deb_usr>thomasbl : are these companies using the same "stable" version of debian line any other users ??
07:21<deb_usr>thomasbl : are they compiling their own version ??
07:22<twb>deb_usr: have you ever actually used a Unix-like OS?
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07:22<berat>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
07:22<berat>what does this mean
07:22<berat>what can i do to solve
07:23<twb>berat: I'm guessing it's because your sound device(s) can't be found.
07:23<deb_usr>twb : i have used Mandrake, Suse, Kniopix, BackTrack, ...
07:23<deb_usr>i'm using now DEBIAN
07:23<deb_usr>twb : i'm using now DEBIAN
07:24<berat>i am playing music now
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07:24<berat>i am able to control volume
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07:24<paulliu>berat, maybe you are using the old OSS driver?
07:24<berat>hmm ?
07:24<berat>it can be
07:25<berat>may be
07:25<berat>i have to update oss driver ?
07:25<deb_usr>who has some experience using debian in a professional environment ?
07:25<berat>when i install alsa
07:25<paulliu>berat, no, you should use alsa driver instead of oss driver
07:25<berat>* The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
07:26<berat>from menu i join sound from system/preferences/sound
07:27<berat>i am chosing sound playback as alsa
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07:27<paulliu>berat, did you run alsaconf?
07:27<berat>but it gives error internal gstreamer error
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07:27<paulliu>berat, try it..
07:28<berat>just a minute i am trying
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07:31<berat>failes to start volume control failes to execute child process gnome-vollume-control no such files or directory said
07:32<berat>but gnome-volume-manager already installed and when i wrote alsamixer from command line alsaixr work
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07:32<paulliu>berat, alsamixer works?
07:32<berat>alsamixer works yes
07:32<berat>from sheel
07:32<paulliu>berat, maybe you need a restart..
07:33<berat>i am makin
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07:43<paulliu>berat, what weird?
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07:44<berat>if i click one time to volume vcontrol it is normally working but if i click two times to volume control it said failes to execute child process gnome-volume-control no such files or directory
07:45<berat>gnome-volume-manager already installed and alsamixer normally works
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07:48<berat>do you understand what i was saying :p
07:48<paulliu>berat, no..
07:49<berat>the error is failes to execute child process gnome-volume-control no such files or directory
07:49<berat>but alsamixer work from command line
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07:49<berat>in the desktop when i click volume control symbol on gnome one times it works
07:50<paulliu>berat, did you set gnome-volume-control to use alsa?
07:50<berat>but when i clikc two times it cannot open gnome volume control and said failes to execute child process gnome-volume-control no such files or directory
07:50<berat>how ?
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07:52<paulliu>File->Change Device
07:52<berat>what is file ?
07:52<berat>what file
07:52<paulliu>menubar of gnome-volume-control
07:53<berat>gnome volume control set to alsa
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07:56<paulliu>berat, hmm, I don't know, either...
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07:57<berat>alsamixer works
07:57<berat>gnome alsamixer works
07:57<berat>gnome volume control doesnt work
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08:17<MrC>can any one help with install as i am getting DMA timeouts on HDA an it seems to ignore ide=nodma (which what works with ubuntu)
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08:23<ben_goodger>!mods christianna` spamming with PM
08:24<ben_goodger>!ops christianna` spamming with PM
08:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ben_goodger complains about: christianna` spamming with PM
08:24<guillaume>hello, I have a problem with glxinfo on my dell xps1710, every time a software call this function, the x server crash and bring me back to gdm login screen under lenny
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08:32<slashme>In Debian Sarge, Elinks used to keep a cache in ~/.elinks/cache, but now (Etch) I can't find any elinks caches at all. Does anybody here know whether elinks has been set not to keep a cache (and how to switch it on) or where it might be if it is still keeping a cache?
08:33<slashme>I looked in the options menu in elinks, and checked out /etc/elinks/elinks.conf, and found no options which seemed to refer to a disk cache.
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08:55<Internat>blonde moment.. whats the chmod argment that makes all files created in this direcotry have the same user and/or group
08:56<lupine>chmod user:group * ?
08:56<Internat>no that changes all existing files
08:56<Internat>not created ones
08:56<Internat>i htink its +s but im not sure
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08:58<Myon>Internat: g+s will make new files belong to the dir's group
08:58<lupine>"s" is suid, isn't it?
08:58<Myon>sgid in that case
08:58<Internat>so i would do u+s and g+s ?
08:59<Myon>u+s won't change anything
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08:59<Myon>that functionality doesn't exist
08:59<Internat>thats ok.. actually its really only the group one i want
09:00<Myon>the other bit is you probably want to make sure users use a sane umask in that directory
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09:00<Internat>like 77?
09:01<Myon>002, the bits are the other way round
09:01<Myon>(or 007)
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09:01<Internat>ah ok.. does a umask of 002 do the same thing as chmod 770?
09:02<Myon>002 - 775, 007 - 770
09:02<Internat>sorry yeah that
09:02<Internat>err, the can the file system enforce the umask>?? ive never tried doing that
09:03<Internat>i didnt think so :) thats ok, i can ensure from my scripts that stuff happens as it should
09:03<Myon>the usual way around is to use "usergroups", i.e. give every user its own private group, and use umask 002 or 007
09:04[~]Myon wonders if Internat wanted to know all that ;)
09:04<ben_goodger>ooh, people
09:04<ben_goodger>can anyone help me to force aptitude to drop this package?
09:04<Internat>i likie extra knowledge :)
09:04<Myon>grep USERGROUPS /etc/adduser.conf
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09:08<Myon>ben_goodger: "drop"?
09:08<xerxes_>hi - this is my first time installing Debian and I have successfully installed it and rebooted. However, now it reboots, I have logged in as the "new user" I made, not admin .. and all I see is this "bash" thingy .. what should I do from here? The installation guide doesn't say anything.. or maybe I am blind? I would love it if someone could give me a hand, thanks.
09:09<Myon>xerxes_: that's a shell
09:09<Myon>xerxes_: did you install the "desktop" task?
09:09<xerxes_>you mean the packages stuff?
09:09<ben_goodger>Myon: delete, obliterate, remove, uninstall
09:09<Myon>or just a minimal thing?
09:09<Myon>ben_goodger: aptitude remove foo
09:09<ben_goodger>Myon: I meant "force"
09:09<xerxes_>Well, that package stuff came, but I accidently push enter, instead of space (to select Desktop Enviroment)
09:09<xerxes_>should I do a reinstall?
09:10<ben_goodger>it doesn't complete its post-removal config, or post-install for that matter
09:10<Myon>xerxes_: you could try how far you get with another "tasksel" run
09:10<xerxes_>However it said like, retrivieing file 1 out of 81 etc, and it had something with selinux in it, and perl etc.
09:10<Supaplex>xerxes_: no. run tasksel
09:10<xerxes_>OK I will see what google comes up with thanks.
09:10<ben_goodger>it's latex-cjk-chinese, and it crashes on "Building format(s) --byhyphen language.dat." when I try to remove it, even with --force-all in dpkg
09:10<Myon>ben_goodger: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/latex-cjk-chinese.p*
09:11<xerxes_>do I need to log in as admin to run taskel?
09:11<ben_goodger>Myon: thank you, kind sir
09:12<Myon>xerxes_: root, yes
09:12<xerxes_>Alright, done.
09:12<xerxes_>Do I need to do apt-get update first?
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09:12<Myon>doesn't hurt
09:13<xerxes_>Because this website is doing it
09:13<xerxes_>hmm, what's mail server? I see it's selected here.
09:14<ben_goodger>exim and all of its relations
09:14<xerxes_>Do you think I would need if it I am a first time debian user, also can you run tasksel at any other time to grab them?
09:14<ben_goodger>yes you can
09:14<ben_goodger>you usually only need desktop, base system and laptop (if applicable)
09:15<xerxes_>THank you!
09:15<xerxes_>ok it's installing now
09:15<Myon>(otherwise your desktop will grow a battery)
09:15<xerxes_>575 files hah
09:16<xerxes_>I think it's installing mail server too even though I unselected it hmm, hopefully you can uninstall it later.
09:16<ben_goodger>some bits of it are required
09:17<ben_goodger>those 575 packages constitute about twenty you might actually use, 550 you won't realise you're using, and 5 that use themselves and ignore you altogether
09:17<xerxes_>ah, probably that then. thanks sofar for all the help though
09:17[~]ben_goodger should win award for best "user, library, kernel" analogy
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09:20<manphiz>Will anyone take a look at BTS #427406? After all I don't think this can be a testing-blocker. Any ideas?
09:21[~]Supaplex peeks
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09:22<Supaplex>that qualifies as grave?
09:22<xerxes_>I believe it finished that package stuff, and it automaticly restarted and I took out the CD, but that shell thing still comes up, should I do anything else?
09:22<Myon>well, "doesn't work anymore" is at least very annoying
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09:23<ben_goodger>xerxes_: try logging in and typing "startx"
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09:24<xerxes_>command not found
09:24<Myon>aptitude install xorg
09:24<ben_goodger>oh god..
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09:24<ben_goodger>you haven't got the desktop environment at all
09:24<Myon>though it might be easier to just reinstall...
09:25<xerxes_>I am doing another tasksel now
09:25<xerxes_>I suddenly started from retrieving file 578 or something out of 585 or something let me check.
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09:26<xerxes_>tasksel: aptitude failed (255)
09:26<ben_goodger>aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment xorg
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09:27<xerxes_>could not lock the cache file, opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages wil lnot be preserved!
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09:27<ben_goodger>delete the cache file
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09:27<xerxes_>dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct this
09:27<xerxes_>how do I do that?
09:27<xerxes_>ok wait
09:27<lupine>"dpkg --configure -a" in a terminal :p
09:28<xerxes_>lol nevermind this I will just do a new install thanks anyway
09:29<manphiz>Supaplex, does it sound severe enough to you as grave?
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09:30<doctorb>Hello everyone. I'm a recovering Windows user and I have an I/o problem which appeared out of nowhere.
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09:31<doctorb>did I just get cut off?
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09:32<doctorb>I'm a recovering Windows user. I'm using Debian, Etch. The installation is about 6 months old.
09:32<doctorb>Today my computer malfunctioned for no apparent reason.
09:32<doctorb>After about an hour of web surfing using ICEWEASEL (with no-script and a few other anti-script/anti-java add-ons) I downloaded an MP3 from a trusted web site ( I used soundconverter to convert it to a WAV file. It worked just as it's done all along.
09:32<doctorb>I just tried burning an audio CD using K3B. I've burned dozens of CD's with K3b with no probmens at all. This time I got an error message: "I/O error". Wouldn't burn. This did not happen immediately after I installed the no-script, etc. to ICEWEASEL.
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09:32<Supaplex>manphiz: that depends on who else can reproduce it.
09:33<manphiz>Supaplex, at least the maintainer and I can't :) I've already left a message
09:33<dpkg>makes the package in question unusable by most or all users, or causes data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who use the package.
09:34<suiside>doctorb: just "I/O error"? nothing else?
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09:45<xerxes_>my damn package installation is stuck
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09:48<lupine>xerxes_: it's madness!#
09:51<doctorb>Can anyone here help me with my I/O problem?
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09:53<deb_usr>doctorb : what is your problem ?
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09:57<doctorb>I tried burinign a WAV file in K3b - got an I/O error message. Tried to open said file in Audacity. Got a message that said the audio I/O layer was busted and I could not play or record audio.
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09:57<lupine>tried restarting said layer?
09:57<doctorb>How is that done?
09:58<lupine>well, depends on which layer it's talking about. Could be alsa, or xine, or...
09:59<doctorb>K3b uses ALSA to burn and audio CD?
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09:59<lupine>probably not
09:59[~]lupine runs it and has a look
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10:00<doctorb>These stupid error messages NEVER indicate what might be wrong.
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10:03<lupine>hmm, can't really tell wha t backend it is, so I'd be tempted to kill X to see if that resolves the problem
10:03<lupine>sound in general is working fine?
10:03<doctorb>And how is that done?
10:03<doctorb>I can run XMMS no sweat.
10:03<xerxes_>What the fuck is this why do I keep getting this shit installation failed
10:03<xerxes_>god damnit.
10:03<lupine>ctrl+alt+backspace restarts X, closing all graphical programs
10:04<doctorb>Hoo boy, command line mode. That's a rather brute-force way of doing things, isn't it? FWIW, I'm running KDE
10:04<lupine>X comes straight back
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10:05<lupine>but it is brute-force, yes
10:05<doctorb>So, it restarts the graphical interface and loads standard defaults?
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10:05<lupine>have some self-repect, xerxes_.
10:05<suiside>doctorb: zapping doesn't change any settings, it just restarts X
10:05<xerxes_>should I split configuration into small files or not? (first time debian installing)
10:06<fpiat>Question to owner of (recent) Thinkpads : I need info on how to identify the rescue partition (for grub-installer).. so d-installer add it to grub menu. (T61/Vista is done).
10:06<fpiat>i have started a page :
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10:07<doctorb>I should tell you lupine, that multiple COLD reboots did nothing to solve my problem
10:07<xerxes_>What's portmap and should it be bound to loopback adress?
10:07<suiside>doctorb: reboots don't solve problems
10:07<doctorb>(blush) that's definitely a Windoze maneuver!
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10:08<lupine>fair rnough, then... not a transient problem
10:08<suiside>doctorb: can you run a simulation of the diskburning in k3b?
10:08<doctorb>How is that done? Remember, I'm a recovering Windows user!
10:08<lupine>are you sure the audio file is valid?
10:08<doctorb>It played OK in XMMS. And Audacity refused to start properly at all.
10:08<xerxes_>which paper size should be default for a newbie?
10:09<suiside>doctorb: checking the "Simulate" checkbox on the burning dialog
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10:09<xerxes_>nvm I just picked letter.
10:09<lupine>paper size? A4 or letter?
10:09<tarzeau>xerxes_: depends where the newbie is
10:09<lupine>Letter is US, A4 UK
10:09<doctorb>OK. Yeah. All burning programs have that function. Lemme see what I can do.
10:09<tarzeau>lupine: A4 is more likely europe
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10:09<xerxes_>blah should of took A4 then lol.
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10:10<lupine>I've no idea what the rest of europe uses, so I didn't comment :)
10:10<enkrypt>I have a .pcf font that I wanna install, what is the "debian way" to do this?
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10:10<xerxes_>sigh - each time it tries to install the packages, it keep saying failed..
10:11<doctorb>SUISIDE - Tried your suggestion. Same shit. "I/O error".
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10:11<suiside>doctorb: check if the problem occurs during simulation also, but if the file failed to open in several applications it might be a issue with that particular file, might be worthwhile to check if you can play the file at all
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10:11<doctorb>SUISIDE - The file plays fine in XMMS
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10:12<doctorb>Do I have to wipe the hard drive and reinstall from scratch like I've done with WOndoze?
10:12<paulliu>enkrypt: maybe you can get a .pcf package and see how it is being packaged.
10:12<enkrypt>paulliu: which one is that?
10:13<lupine>do other files burn OK? (try with the simulate option checked)
10:13<lupine>xmms is notoriously disasterproof
10:13<doctorb>I'll try that now.
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10:14<enkrypt>nm, I found it
10:14<doctorb>LUPINE - Nope, other files which I've burned previously don't go at all. Same error message, I/O error.
10:14<suiside>doctorb: what cd-burner do you have?
10:14<doctorb>PIONEER DVD burner.
10:15<doctorb>Don't remember. How do I find out?
10:15<lupine>if you run k3b from a terminal, you might get more verbose output
10:15<doctorb>How is that done?
10:15<lupine>in a terminal (konsole), type "k3b" and hit enter
10:15<doctorb>I'll try it
10:16<lupine>it'll then spit out all sorts of messages
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10:16<Sh3ytaN>LA AM.
10:17<suiside>Sh3ytaN: english please
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10:17<Sh3ytaN>0k , ßut do u speak turkish ? =)
10:17<Myon>Sh3ytaN: do you have a Debian question?
10:18<doctorb>K3b opened up. Weird message on another line in terminal: [username]@debian:~$ find: /dev/.static: Permission denied
10:18<dpkg>i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
10:18<doctorb>LUPINE - Pioneer DVR-110D
10:18<lupine>that helps considerably
10:19<Sh3ytaN>There is not souL Here S:
10:19<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:19<dpkg>well, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
10:19<suiside>doctorb: lshw for the model, is your k3b run in suid root?
10:20<lupine>try kdesu k3b, and see if the error goes away like that
10:20<lupine>if it does, we've found the problem
10:20<doctorb>SUISIDE - I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Recovering Windoze user y'know!
10:20<lupine>doctorb: it looks like a permissions problem
10:20<doctorb>LUPINE - I'll try it now
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10:20<lupine>suiside: My k3b isn't suid and works fine...
10:22<suiside>lupine: remind me, does the debian k3b package have the k3bsetup utility? (I'm at a gentoo machine right now)
10:23<doctorb>LUPINE - THat did it! (working in SU mode)
10:23<lupine>interesting... the k3bsetup binary isn't in any debian package, but the .mo files are all present
10:23[~]lupine should file a bug or something
10:23<doctorb>How did nmy permissions get dinged?
10:23<lupine>doctorb: excellent
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10:23<lupine>k3b shouldn't be trying to access /dev/.static
10:24<doctorb>How did that happen? M<alware?
10:24<suiside>lupine: might be intentional, the gentoo ebuild has had k3bsetup disabled too, propably because it messes with the device node permissions
10:24<doctorb>K3b is busy burning my Cd now (I'll check the disc once ts done to make certain there's a track on it).
10:24<lupine>ok, now for fixing it... if you go to settings->configure k3b->devices
10:25<lupine>(in a non-su'd k3b instance)
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10:25<lupine>what does it give for the system device name?
10:25<doctorb>As soon as the CD is done, in another minute or two.
10:25<lupine>lol :D
10:26<davirtavares>on my xorg.conf the ModeLine directive is being ignored. Someone knows why ?
10:26<doctorb>It's weird, my CD/DVD burners show up ad hdc and hdd (the Pioneer) respectively
10:26<lupine>so /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd ?
10:26<lupine>what does ls -la /dev/hdd look like?
10:27<doctorb>LUPINE - Yes. BTW, the disc I just burned looks OK.
10:27[~]lupine is wondering if /dev/hdd has become a symlink
10:27<Myon>Sh3ytaN: I think you are looking for (. not -)
10:27<doctorb>I'm on the devices screen. WHat now?
10:28<lupine>if the pioneer is showing up as /dev/hdd, that should be right
10:28<Sh3ytaN>Myon #debian-tr ?
10:28<Sh3ytaN> S: ?
10:28<doctorb>LUPINE - It is HDD
10:28<lupine>they're both empty
10:28<doctorb>They are now.
10:29<lupine>doctorb: and ls -la /dev/hdd in a terminal outputs what?
10:29<doctorb>LUPINE - Hang on
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10:30<davirtavares>why my ModeLine directive is being ignored on startup?
10:30<doctorb>LUPINE-bash: -la/dev/hdd: No such file or directory
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10:30<lupine>a space between -la and /dev/hdd
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10:30<lupine>is required
10:30<Sh3ytaN>Reason Turk Lacking
10:30<lupine>No Turks online :(
10:31<doctorb>LUPINE - bash: -la: command not found
10:31<lupine>the command should be: "ls -la /dev/hdd"
10:31<lupine>(that's ls, not is)
10:31<fxiny>viva ls vegaaaaassss
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10:31<Sh3ytaN>i'm waiting (=
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10:32<doctorb>LUPINE - brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-07-22 10:08 /dev/hdd
10:32<lupine>ok, and is your user a member of the cdrom group?
10:32<kevin>cdtool seems to play a cd, but I get no sound output??
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10:33<doctorb>LUPINE - In K3b it says "CD/DVD Drives. So I need to use another command?
10:33<lupine>("cat /etc/group |grep cdrom" and see if your username is present on the line it returns)
10:33<lupine>doctorb: I'm unsure what you mean
10:33<tarzeau>kevin: there's two ways of playing a cd
10:33<suiside>doctorb: gpasswd -a [your-username] cdrom
10:33<tarzeau>kevin: can you try playing that cd with opencubicplayer too?
10:33<tarzeau>kevin: or is the volume just muted? check aumix
10:34<suiside>doctorb: in a terminal, as root
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10:34<doctorb>LUPINE - cdrom:x:24:[username]
10:34<kevin>tarzeau : will check volume, plays in gui though
10:35<lupine>right... you've got all the appropriate permissions, so I'm not entirely sure what's going wrong
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10:35<doctorb>Shit. I DO have to wipe and reinstall, don't I?
10:35<suiside>doctorb: no you don't
10:36<lupine>well, it's up to you. We can keep digging, lower the permissions of /dev/.static, or up the permissions of the k3b binary, or reinstall
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10:36<lupine>lots of options
10:36<doctorb>Which option would be the quickest and most lilely to succeed?
10:37<kevin>tarzeau : aumix says vol=77 cd=81
10:38<lupine>if you're not fairly to very bothered about security then an suid k3b binary would be easiest
10:38<lupine>downside is that any other user on the system can then execute k3b as root
10:38<lupine>which is a potential security hole
10:38<tarzeau>kevin: tried playing it with opencubicplayer?
10:38<doctorb>The only network my system is on is the Internet.
10:38<doctorb>Security holes are a bad thing.
10:39<suiside>lupine: k3b doesn't need to be suid root, just cdrecord and cdrdao
10:39<suiside>doctorb: 'chmod ug+s /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/cdrdao'
10:39<doctorb>SUISIDE - What does that command line do?
10:40<lupine>doctorb: when cdrecord and cdrdao are run, they do so as though the root user had run them
10:40<lupine>should be fairly safe
10:40<samo_>hi, I'm looking for help setting up an openLdap contact directory to use from thunderbird, can anyone help me ?
10:40<suiside>doctorb: sets cdrecord and cdrdao to be run with root privilegies, which mean they will be able to access and write your dvd burner device
10:40<kevin>tarzeau : no, never used opencubicplayer
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10:41<lupine>although not ideal
10:41<suiside>doctorb: cdrecord and cdrdao are the programs k3b uses to burn disks, k3b in itself is just a frontend
10:41<kevin>tarzeau: do you like opencubicplayer better?
10:41<tarzeau>kevin: best
10:41<kevin>thanks, I'll try it
10:41<tarzeau>kevin: there's two ways how you can play audio cds...
10:42<doctorb>LUPINE - I see. As a recovering Windows user, I'm used to graphical front ends. I haven't worked with command lines since switching to Windows from DOS years ago.
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10:44<lupine>well, you can do all this graphically, but paradoxically the GUI slows you down in these cases
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10:44<doctorb>LUPINE - if setting universal root privs with K3b is less than ideal, what might be a better way to go?
10:44<doctorb>Yes, GUI's do eat their share of CPU
10:45<lupine>working out, and fixing, the permissions problem :D
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10:45<doctorb>OK. How is that done?
10:45<lupine>but I'm not sure what it is, and nobody else seems to know either
10:45<doctorb>LUPINE - so, how shall we do this? If you need time to scope this thing out, how shall we reach one another?
10:46<doctorb>In the meantime, I need to run K3b (and possibly audacity) as root/SU.
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10:47<lupine>TBH, I'm not sure if there's any more I can do for you. The command suiside gave is what i'd use on my own machine in this situation
10:48<suiside>doctorb: you do not need to give k3b root priviligies, just cdrecord and cdrdao, if your on a single user environment it's fine
10:48<doctorb>OK. I'll give it a shot. BTW, the "SU" trick seems to work for Audacity too!
10:48<lupine>it's only a real issue if you have other people logging on as non-root users
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10:49<doctorb>I suppose. Although it's easier to maske disastrous mistakes as a super-user, or so I've been told.
10:49<lupine>yep, but there's not that much those two programs can do to break things
10:49<lupine>relaxing the permission on /dev/.static is another potential workaround
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10:50<doctorb>At least I have a temporary fix which doesn't involve burning off many gigs of data and spending hours reinstalling.
10:50<tarzeau>doctorb: small files eath their share of NET
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10:50<doctorb>TARZEAU - to what do you refer?
10:50<tarzeau>doctorb: actually not all GUIs are bad on CPU, i know some they're pretty much great and lightweight
10:51<tarzeau>doctorb: 17:44 < doctorb> Yes, GUI's do eat their share of CPU
10:51<lupine>(currently it's 700; changing to 755 might be a solution)
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10:51<Koyanin`Aq>#debian-tr who takê ?
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10:52<Sh3ytaN->lupine do you know ?
10:52<tarzeau>Sh3ytaN-: it's on (freenode)
10:52<doctorb>LUPINE - 755? To what do you refer?
10:52<lupine>the permissions
10:52<tarzeau>Sh3ytaN-: changed, some time ago
10:52<doctorb>LUPINE - So how do I change ther permissions?
10:53<fxiny>slurp! opencubicplayer screenshots are intriguing
10:53<lupine>at the moment, /dev/.static is 700 (whcih is to say, full permissions to owner, none to group or other). Changing to 755 (full for owner, read and execute for everyone else) is another solution
10:53<lupine>in terminal, as root, chmod /dev/.static 755
10:53<doctorb>Would that be dangerous from a malware standpoint?
10:53<lupine>all the files in /dev/.static are also in /dev
10:53<lupine>(which is 755)
10:53<lupine>so I'd say no
10:53<tarzeau>fxiny: intriguing? which screenshots did you see?
10:54<fxiny>tarzeau: very nice indeed :
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10:55<doctorb>LUPINE - chmod: invalid mode: `/dev/.static'
10:56<tarzeau>fxiny: he doesn't show the graphic mode capabilities, wait
10:56<lupine>chmod 755 /dev/.static
10:56<lupine>sorry :F
10:56<tarzeau>fxiny: the 0.1.14rc version can also do flac, and has a few more keyfunctions builtin
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10:57<fxiny>tarzeau: flac ? what about ape/mac ?
10:57<doctorb>LUPINE - I keep getting error messages
10:57<tarzeau>fxiny: dunno ask the author #ocp on (freenode)
10:57<doctorb>doctorb@debian:~$ chmod 755/dev/static
10:57<doctorb>chmod: missing operand after `755/dev/static'
10:58<lupine>you missed out the space again, and it's /dev/.static
10:58<doctorb>Lupine - "operation not permitted"
10:59<lupine>you need to be root
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10:59<CutMeOwnThroat>want a Sausage inna bun?
11:00<lupine>nah, but I'll 'ave a rat onna stick
11:00<doctorb>Apparent success. That's why I stopped using command lines - one space or misplaced periood, and you can go crazy trying to figure out what's wrong!
11:00<CutMeOwnThroat>doctorb, that's why you should use it more often
11:00<lupine>hehe. Beats loading up an instance of konqueror as root and doing it from there, though
11:01<doctorb>Konqueror functions the same as the terminal?
11:01<CutMeOwnThroat>it all makes sense... and the mistakes you made were pretty obvious to (i guess) all of us
11:01<lupine>you can change modes using it
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11:01<lupine>but you need a root instance to change the modes in /dev
11:01<fxiny>tarzeau: i'm checking xmms2 since yesterday , i'm looking for a smart indexing/playlisting console manager
11:01<lupine>which means, what, 20MB RAM?
11:01<fxiny>tarzeau: without QT bloath :P
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11:02<CutMeOwnThroat>lupine, they're out... but for my dwarf customers I have real good dwarf bread
11:02[~]fxiny likes QT when in a reservoir dogs
11:02<lupine>funny you should say that... I am pretty short :D
11:03<tarzeau>fxiny: create a list of music you want to play
11:03<lupine>though, not *that* short (5'8")
11:03<tarzeau>fxiny: i'm too lazy for it, i just do cd music; ocp `find | rl`
11:04<fxiny>tarzeau: i say a smart one , very smart if possible . perl+sql maybe , on the line of "Hal ? i'm stressed up . play a cure for me"
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11:04<fxiny>tarzeau: xmms2 does sql
11:04<doctorb>LUPINE - the CHMOD apparently did no good for my K3b - I/O error problem. Do I need to close terminal to mahe the changes stick?
11:04<lupine>no... the change is instant
11:05<lupine>where is it looking?
11:05<doctorb>Do I need to reboot (I'm gonna lose you guys in that case)?
11:05<lupine>no need to reboot or anything
11:05<doctorb>LUPINE - Where is K23b looking? How do I find that out?
11:05<tarzeau>fxiny: i would decouple the favourite songs part from the player definitely
11:05<tarzeau>fxiny: since favourites can not only exist for music files but almost any sort of files
11:06<tarzeau>fxiny: like say your holiday photo album.. you have 10000 photos and just want to your favourites
11:06<doctorb>LUPINE - I apparently had 2 terminal windows open at the same time. Could that have been the problem?
11:06<tarzeau>i don't like the way gnome and kde applications go (like windows does). an unflexible way of you need an app for this, one for that, another for this,. then some only have this function, others only that
11:07<lupine>no, that wouldn't be the problem
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11:07<lupine>it's trying to open a file, and I'm not sure which one
11:07<tarzeau>there's some sort of pipes for gui, it's called the Services menu in NeXTSTEP, GNUstep and Mac OS X (inter application functions)
11:07<lupine>but it can't
11:07<fxiny>tarzeau: you got me ! AI with a sprinkle of a "personal profiler" . cpu power should go straight into AI not useless eyecandy
11:07<doctorb>TARZEAU - ASs I said, I'm a recovering Windows user. Going back to command lines cold-turkey would send me straignt to the nearest Apple dealership!
11:08<lupine>you could try running k3b as root, and while burning your CD, run "lsof" and pastebin the output... we could possibly track it down from there
11:08<tarzeau>doctorb: i wasn't saying command line is bad :) it's great. just not for everyone
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11:08<doctorb>LUPINE - You've lost me already!
11:08<lupine>lsof is a command that lists every open file on the system
11:09<tarzeau>doctorb: i mean look at this:
11:09<doctorb>I'll try it.
11:09<lupine>of course, in UNIX, *everything* is eventually a file so the output will be long and full of crud
11:09<doctorb>LUPINE - It listed A LOT of things!
11:09<lupine>yep :D
11:09<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
11:09<tarzeau>lupine: if only everything was. glad there's GNU/Hurd and Plan9....
11:10<lupine>if you do that, I'll see if I can spot the potential problem
11:10<lupine>heh, I tried plan9 recently actually
11:10<doctorb>LUPINE - What are you asking me to do?
11:10<tarzeau>lupine: why, what was your motivation?
11:10<lupine>doctorb: copy and paste the output of lsof, gained while k3b was burning a CD, to one of the pastebin services dpkg just listed
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11:11<lupine>and post the link here
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11:11<lupine>then i'll look through it and try to guess what file is causing the problems; we can then check out the permissions on it
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11:12<lupine>or we can give up and use suiside's solution ;)
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11:12<lupine>tarzeau: curiosity :D
11:12<suiside>oh, your still at it
11:12<doctorb>LUPINE - So what do I do? Try to burn a CD and then run lsof in the terminal?
11:12<lupine>yeah, with k3b running as root so it manages to open the file
11:13<doctorb>How do I run as root? Go into terminal and do the SU thing?
11:13<lupine>kdesu k3b
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11:13<doctorb>Well, when I run as root, the I/O problem, goes away.
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11:14<lupine>exactly. lsof will list the file being accessed.
11:14<fxiny>where the damned audio file is ?
11:14<doctorb>I'll do what you've
11:15<CutMeOwnThroat>doctorb, cann you still read CDs?
11:16<CutMeOwnThroat>obviously you can even burn
11:16<fxiny>tarzeau: i'm still looking into xmms2 , i think they are closing in with the Sql Media Library
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11:17<tarzeau>fxiny: i like files
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11:20<suiside>doctorb: that's because when you run k3b as root, cdrecord is also called as root and it can access the device, if you would just set the suid for credord and cdrdao they would be run with root priviligies even though they're called as a normal user (through k3b), this is fine as you are on a single user system no one else will be accesing
11:21<CutMeOwnThroat>ah, you figured :)
11:21<doctorb>SUISIDE - How is that done?
11:22<CutMeOwnThroat>just got to the place where you wondered if k3b needs to be suid-root... and no, it aint, but cdrecord needs to be
11:22<suiside>doctorb: already told you once
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11:22<doctorb>Oh, the command line you gave me earlier?
11:22[~]fxiny thinks suiside+doctorb+CutMeOwnThroat are a BAD omen :P
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11:23<suiside>fxiny: well, our nicks seem quite self destructive =P
11:23<fxiny>suiside: :)
11:23<CutMeOwnThroat>not mine
11:23<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, that bot is so smart, i wonder...
11:24<CutMeOwnThroat>that bot is so dead...
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11:24<fxiny>is very smart . is like a cat
11:24<fxiny>sleeps ...
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11:25<fxiny>dpkg rulez
11:25<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
11:25<fxiny>seen ?
11:25<CutMeOwnThroat>well... perhaps a littlebit destructive
11:25<doctorb>SUISIDE - Tried yopur command. Result: chmod: cannot access `/usr/bin/cdrecord/usr/bin/cdrdao': No such file or directory
11:26<peter_>I have little problem... I have installed some application under wine. The wine tab showned up in my "Application" menu... I would like to deletey it but I cant, cause Alacarte dont see "wine"...
11:26<suiside>doctorb: you are missing a space there
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11:26<doctorb>SUISIDE - where?
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11:27<suiside>doctorb: read what I wrote carefully, I through with this and won't explain it again
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11:27<CutMeOwnThroat>doctorb, you have to realize something... the text/word before the 1st space is the command, all further words are arguments to that command, separated by spaces
11:27<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: i see now . discworld likes long names , like Cymrun names
11:28<doctorb>SUISIDE - No need to get testy. Command lines are finicky. One misplaced space or character and you're screwed. That's why there are such things as MAC OS, Windows and KDE
11:28<CutMeOwnThroat>well, it's not so much a name... more a title :)
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11:28<heiko>hi, debian noob here, having problems with sources.list
11:28<peter_>peter - gonna make suiside if someone dont help him ;)
11:29<CutMeOwnThroat>doctorb, and why can't you copy&paste? Anyways, what will repeating the same do for you?
11:29<doctorb>I get an error messagesaying that there's no such file as cdrecord
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11:29<heiko>not understanding why aptitude can't find the packages list...
11:30<suiside>doctorb: no, you got an error message sayin there's no file as `/usr/bin/cdrecord/usr/bin/cdrdao'
11:30<heiko> etch main contrib non-free
11:30<heiko>it's all there when I use the browser
11:30<doctorb>I saw that you were trying to execute two CHMODS at once. I separated them. The one for CDRDAO went through OK. The one for CDRECORD didn't.
11:31<CutMeOwnThroat>suiside, hehe... now we're even proving the error messages make sense... but you have to read them (properly)
11:32<doctorb>LUPINE - You still there?
11:32<fxiny>heiko: you are missing a deb : deb etch main contrib non-free
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11:33<heiko>sorry forgot to copy,... it's also there
11:33<fxiny>heiko: aptitude update ?
11:33<kb> /list
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11:33<heiko>also tried with ftp as protocoll, .still a no go
11:34<fxiny>i am in ba but i use de , it works
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11:34<fxiny>ba as banana :)
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11:35<heiko>ok running aptitude update, is getting packages right now
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11:35<heiko>is there also a gui available for apt?
11:35<Djmaster>hi,somebody that can give to a hand with the configuration of device USB dwl-122
11:36<chealer>heiko: yes. for example, Synaptic and Adept
11:36<chealer>Djmaster: just ask your question.
11:36<heiko>both qt?
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11:38<Djmaster>apparently already this the device recognized in my system but does not work
11:38<fxiny>heiko: you are new ? apt-cache show <packagename> will tell you . don't forget apt-cache search <packagename>
11:38<CutMeOwnThroat>fxiny, shouldnt you say "aptitude search <packagename>" :)
11:38<heiko>fxiny, I'Ve been using Linux for about 10 years now,.. but until recently suse and gentoo
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11:39<heiko>first time with debian and I haven't used apt before
11:39<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: i don't . i use aptiutude only since etch release
11:39<chealer>Djmaster: what's your question? what's your native language?
11:39<fxiny>heiko: welcome to the brightest side of the swirl :)
11:39<CutMeOwnThroat>fxiny, dont use it a lost yet either... but was told I should only suggest that one :)
11:40<heiko>fxiny, thanks ;-)
11:40<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: i sugegest apti yes . but apt-cache is faster on my old beleoved box
11:40<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dibbler is Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'
11:41<CutMeOwnThroat>see :)
11:41<Djmaster>I do not speak English, but already I have been able to solve problem in this channel
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11:42<heiko>Djmaster, what do you mean you don'T speak english
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11:42<saintk>Hiya, i've been searching myself blind... I cannot find a place anyware to get some help on getting my ATI GFX drivers to work under debian... I know u guy's here dont support it, but do you have any clue were i could get some support? (accept for the ati wiki)?
11:42<heiko>what you've been typing looks pretty english to me.... ?
11:42<Djmaster>it is not my native language
11:45<CutMeOwnThroat>saintk, sorry, have only used nvidia cards lately....
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11:45<saintk>I tried an NVIDIA card yesterday on another system, the NVIDIA drivers installed flawlessly on that one without a single issue
11:46<saintk>These ATI drivers, it just doesnt make sense... Everytime i have ATI config the Xorg.conf file, and restart X, all it does is giving a blackscreen and i need to do a hard reset :/
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11:53<tark>saintk did you compile fglrx ?
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12:01<CutMeOwnThroat>saintk, cant you still log in from the outside?
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12:03<donald>pretty quiet lot here
12:04<CutMeOwnThroat>we just stopped talking when you joined
12:05<CutMeOwnThroat>'cause we were actually talking about you
12:05<donald>i want to mirror Debian. how much space do i need?
12:05<donald>just i386
12:05<donald>etch lenny and sid
12:06<dpkg>somebody said debian mirrors was or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
12:07<CutMeOwnThroat>did you look there?
12:08<donald>ok.. another Q. i should google but hey... i like abuse!
12:08<donald>i got some archives in using apt-proxy now.. can i move it to the mirror to save bandwidth?
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12:09<CutMeOwnThroat>I would guess so... but I've never set up a mirror
12:09<CutMeOwnThroat>ask dpkg :)
12:09<fxiny>never used apt-proxy . i use apt-cacher
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12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>hi clemux
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>... and good bye
12:10<fxiny>cause apache sits doing nothing all day long :P
12:10<donald>so far, my sarge/etch/lenny is 16G... i hate to download all that again
12:10<donald>see ya
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12:12<donald>my my.. the whole debian mirror is 235GB?
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12:16<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: time to pass your knife to donald ;)
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12:17<donald>sorry again.. noob here
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12:18<fxiny>donald: just joking :)
12:18<donald>didnt get the joke
12:18<larso>i'm having some trouble getting debian to boot: the 2.6.21 kernel I compiled hangs on startup because of an init_udev_socket error. i've read about problems with ASUS motherboards with this effect, but no light shed on which kernel parameters might be causing the trouble
12:19<fxiny>19:12 < donald> my my.. the whole debian mirror is 235GB?
12:19<donald>looking at the link the bot gave.. :(
12:19<donald>and i thought the 16GB i had was big..
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12:21<CutMeOwnThroat>fxiny, yes... time that he cuts his throat... (and he's doing it well so far)
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12:21<donald>must be a Debian joke..
12:21<CutMeOwnThroat>donald, a single architecture is only around 20GB + architecture independent packages in the size of 20 GB
12:22<CutMeOwnThroat>donald, no, he was just referring to my nick
12:22<donald>what is architecture independent?
12:22<dondelelcaro>donald: things that work no matter what architecture they're running on
12:22<dondelelcaro>(or being used on)
12:22<dondelelcaro>donald: like perl scripts, pictures, fonts, documentation, etc.
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12:23<fxiny>i'm pretty happy with apt-cacher
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12:23<fxiny>it saves bandwith
12:23<donald>alright.. so that means if i plan to mirror i386 capable packages, i'm looking at 40GB per version?
12:23<dondelelcaro>donald: you want to mirror _i386.deb and _all.deb
12:23<donald>give or take
12:23<dondelelcaro>(which is what anonftpsync and/or debmirror does)
12:24<donald>i've downloaded the anonftpsync script. will look at it
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12:25<donald>so.. if i have a blank server setup, do i just apt-get install debmirror and it will do what i want it to do?
12:25<dondelelcaro>well, you'll need some http server, and maybe some tweaking, but that's the idea.
12:25<donald>u can read that as lazy... :P
12:26<dondelelcaro>I personally don't use debmirror though; I've only used anonftpsync
12:26<donald>ok.. then debmirror and apache and some beers?
12:26<donald>ok. so i will look at both those options
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12:27<donald>i should have used debmirror earlier... saves me editing sources.list
12:28<dondelelcaro>the other one that is interesting is apt-proxy
12:28<donald>i am using that now
12:28<dondelelcaro>(or at least, it was the last time I used it)
12:28<donald>and i want to move that dir to suit using http
12:28[~]Myon is using approx
12:29<donald>so i can skip the :9999 i have to add
12:29<dondelelcaro>donald: ah; well, you can probably just move it and then rsync over the top of it
12:29<donald>can i mirror debian-security also?
12:29<dondelelcaro>donald: yes, but you have to do it slightly differently
12:29<dondelelcaro>I can't remember which mirror actually is rsyncable
12:30<donald>question is, if i just move it from apt-proxy, will it end up in the right places of pool main dists ??
12:30[~]dondelelcaro did it a while ago
12:30<donald>i'm starting on this once i get the right sized hard drive
12:31<donald>and moving it to the data centre here
12:31<donald>we dont have a mirror nearby in malaysia
12:32<dondelelcaro>yeah, I usually wander around with a 300G drive with a full mirror of the common architectures
12:32<donald>we dont get much architecture here other than i386
12:32<donald>not that many using Debian either
12:33<donald>but it's growing
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12:36<dondelelcaro>(having done this sort of thing with php, I ought to know)
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12:40<donald>alright then.. good night all..
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12:42<larso>does anybody know offhand if there's a kernel parameter that would cause udev to fail to find root?
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12:51<Sh3ytaN>English pLz. ;p
12:51<PaniX>sie go pls
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12:52<PaniX>turkce yok yaný olemý
12:52<Sh3ytaN>y0k knky
12:52<PaniX>hepinizi a.q
12:52<dpkg>tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
12:52<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:52<Sh3ytaN>koy aqoim.
12:52<Sh3ytaN>PaniX: it's useful for some people
12:52<Sh3ytaN>0kiþ ?
12:52<PaniX>no :D
12:52<Sh3ytaN>normalde turkce konuþmak ySk knky S:
12:52<PaniX>ne dedýnse
12:53<Sh3ytaN>ßize deiL (H)
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12:53<Sh3ytaN>freedone S:
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12:53<Sh3ytaN>other Serv name do your know ? S:
12:54<Sh3ytaN>la ßunlarda.
12:54<Sh3ytaN>ßi konusurlar
12:54<Sh3ytaN>ßi susarlar mq.
12:54<fxiny>wtf ?
12:54<suiside>could you keep it in english please, or talk in private
12:55<Sh3ytaN>Ok not angry :(
12:55<Sh3ytaN>To eat..
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13:03<leo_>is there a deb for f4l (flash for linux) on debian
13:04<deb_usr>leo_ : what version of debian do you have ?
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13:10<streuner>!tell leo_ about search
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13:14<tark>how can you change desktop icons text font color in kde ?
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13:17<bathat_>i've been trying to recover my partition table after accidentally wiping the MBR for some time with testdisk, which was able to discover the partitions but i never wrote it to disk and the very next day, it stopped picking up anything
13:17<Supaplex>tark: look at 'control center'
13:18<bathat_>i did nothing that would have caused any problems between the time it was working and when it stopped
13:18<Supaplex>tark: it's in the settings menu, off the normal kde menu
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13:24<saintk>Hi, i need to install glic 2.4 because i want to use rar to unrar something. I can't seem to find glibc2.4 with apt-get, can any one tell me if its perhaps listed differantly ?
13:24<jungla>why, on gnomebaker over lenny, when try to toast, it crash and says:
13:25<Supaplex>can't you just install unrar from non-free?
13:25<saintk>oh lemmie try that thanks
13:25<jungla>invalid scsi formatting address?
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13:26<saintk>it tells me unrar is not availble :/
13:27<jungla>add, non-free to your repository....
13:28<tark>thx Supaplex found it
13:28<Supaplex>!+info unrar etch
13:28<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
13:28<dpkg>unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB
13:29<saintk>Can you tell me were i can find a non-free link for me sources.list?
13:29<Supaplex>!tell saintk -about sources.list
13:29<witte>!tell saintk -about non-free
13:31<jungla>please, none get "deprecated pseudo SCSI syntax" with gnomebaker?
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13:38<unixjazz>someone knows if there's a way to get dual head using nv driver on Xorg?
13:40<witte>unixjazz: that is possible
13:40<witte>unixjazz: look at "man nv"
13:40<tarzeau>i've only done so using the nvidia driver
13:41<unixjazz>thanx, witte
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13:43<carl_g>Hi, new install of 4.0r0, on boot, the message "ACPI: unable to turn cooling device [c1477f2c] on" is shown every ~5 seconds
13:44<carl_g>can anyone offer any advice? Stopping the ACPID does not stop the message
13:44<carl_g>I have tried removing "thermal" from /etc/default/acpid but that did not help.
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14:02<SouthernC>Im trying to get my Sendmail working but when i use mail to send out an email and i use -v it gives me error that comcast is blocking that port anyone know a way wround this ?
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14:09<carl_g>SouthernC: A quick google search turns up this:
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14:10<SouthernC>hmm k thanks
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15:23<silentsnake>sup anyone know a valid link for redhat 7.1
15:23<Supaplex>uh no
15:24<Ganneff>asking that in #debian is a bit - insane.
15:24<Supaplex>we're too busy idling ;)
15:25<silentsnake> doesnt work anymore, thats where i used to go to get my distros
15:25<SouthernC>ok i deleted sendmail from /etc/mail and removed it and tried reinstalling it with apt-get install sendmail now its not installing any files to mail dir ... any ideas ?
15:25<Supaplex>try the linux mirror project
15:25<Supaplex>!tell SouthernC -about confmiss
15:25<Ganneff>SouthernC: dont use sendmail.
15:25<silentsnake>oh, thanks
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15:26<Supaplex>!start an mta war
15:26<dpkg>sendmail is a spam magnet
15:26<SouthernC>then what do i use ?
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15:26<Ganneff>postfix or exim
15:26<Supaplex>what ever you can manage/configure
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15:28<SouthernC>if i use postfix is it hard to get it configured to bypass my ISp blocking port 25 ?
15:28<Supaplex>you want it to listen on a different port?
15:28<SouthernC>i have to use port 513
15:28<Ganneff>depends. you can listen on another port
15:28<Ganneff>and also use other ports to send mail to
15:28<Ganneff>but all the systems have to support this.
15:28<Ganneff>you cant tell others to deliver mail to you on port xxx
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15:29<SouthernC>well the receiving part isnt hard its the sending part that i have to use port 513 and supply credentials to my isp
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15:30<streuner>How about to change ISP?
15:30<SouthernC>its comcast or dsl ZZZZzz
15:30<streuner>well, in .de nobody blocks 25, not that i know of
15:31<weasel>.oO( most routers only have 24 ports anyway )
15:31[~]Supaplex pokes weasel in the eye
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15:31<Ganneff>a worldwide block of 25 for every user would be nice. and you only get the block removed if you can describe your mail setup without any problem (and the setup is safe).
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15:31<petemc>isps blocking port 25 isnt a terrible idea..
15:32<streuner>Ganneff: well, dont make some user responsible for others
15:32<Ganneff>lusers dont need mailservers. they should just use a smarthost of their provider
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15:32[~]Supaplex <3's ssh -D
15:32<Ganneff>and if they need more they can get the block removed on request
15:32<SouthernC>they dont remove it already asked
15:32<Ganneff>that would help getting lots of useless spam away by just disabling the possibility for the winfuck machines and their trojans
15:32<weasel>Supaplex: <a38sqm$16csas$>
15:33<streuner>that would be "Dont let people use Debian, its too free and open and allow everything for users"
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15:33<petemc>thats not a good analogy at all
15:33<Ganneff>streuner: no
15:33<streuner>Ganneff: you could kill somebody with a knife or cut bread
15:33<Ganneff>streuner: also wrong analogy.
15:34<SouthernC>i like them
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15:35<witte>Djmaster: hello, no private messages please, just ask the channel...
15:35<jkoenig>you don't get access to the mailboxes unless you ring someone to open you the door.
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15:35<SouthernC>except the door is locked and they wont open fortknox
15:37<Djmaster>I had a problem with the configuration of the DWL-122, apparently the controllers of the single device work for headers of linux 2.6.21-2-686
15:37<Djmaster>no soport for the driver linux-wlan-ng
15:38<Emilien>Is it necessary to have a bootloader ? Can I just run directly the vmlinuz image ?
15:38<streuner>you NEED one
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15:38<streuner>it tell WHERE to look for the OS (kernel) itselfs
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15:39<Emilien>streuner: and on a liveCD, to make one I made: genisoimage -G /vmlinuz -o my.iso mydeboostrapFolder
15:39<Emilien>What's wrong in it ?
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15:40<streuner>why do you want to make a LIVE-CD, there are good ones out there (i.e. grml or knoppix)?
15:40<Djmaster>in the network administrator it appears the device but not yet it works
15:40<Emilien>streuner: I want to make mine: it's for a server developpment. My idea: create my liveCD on my workstation and runit directly to the server :)
15:40<Emilien>Don't want to move my computers :p
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15:43<witte>Djmaster: which version of wireless-tools have you installed (dpkg -l |grep wireless-tools)
15:44<streuner>Emilien: also /j #debian-live
15:45<Emilien>oki thanks ^^
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15:46<Djmaster>ii wireless-tools 28-1 Tools for manipulating Linux
15:47<witte>Djmaster: that seems the correct version for lenny, I do not know why you get that error
15:47<Djmaster>ok view this
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15:47<witte>Djmaster: are you sure the wireless does not work :-) (the warning said it may not work ;--)
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15:50<witte>Djmaster: that is part of your /boot/config file, why do you show that?
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15:51<Djmaster>they lack these parameters in that file
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15:51<witte>which parameters?
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15:53<Djmaster>desire to know since I can make work the device, is necessary to compile something again,
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15:54<witte>Djmaster: I am sorry, i do not get your point. What do you need to compile again, and what is the problem
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15:56<Djmaster>ok, the problem is that the device appears in the system but does not work with the Internet, is not connected to the network, I am working by Ethernet
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15:57<witte>Djmaster: ok, do the following: ifconfig and afterwards iwconfig
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15:57<witte>Djmaster and paste the result in a pastebin
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15:59<megapixel>i've got trouble with DSDT, so should be /proc/acpi/dsdt equal to my fixed one after reboot?
15:59<witte>Djmaster: ok, now do a "dhclient wlan0"
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16:05<witte>It seems that your wireless is working, but that it does not receive any IP address
16:05<witte>Djmaster: can you start kwifimanager and see which networks are available?
16:06<witte>or if you can see any networks
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16:08<Djmaster>wifi radar and network admin
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16:08<Ebke>anybody know how to debug a login?
16:09<Djmaster>I have gnome desktop
16:11<Djmaster>install kwifimanager??
16:12<witte>Djmaster: you can, or if you can find out in an other way is also ok: just check if you can see the network...
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16:14<Djmaster>ok, in desktop / system/ network admin
16:14<SouthernC>can someone tell me what package uses the mail comand ?
16:15<suiside>SouthernC: use to search for it
16:15[~]Waddledee looks confused. Do you mean which package provides it?
16:15<SouthernC>well by default i had a mailer on debian and i deleted it
16:15<SouthernC>and i typed mail in terminal to send an email
16:15<SouthernC>and i cant figure out the package name
16:16<Djmaster>tools of net
16:16<Djmaster>see the network
16:18<Djmaster>properties of interface
16:19<Djmaster>name od the net: temis
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16:20<Djmaster>you follow there ???
16:20<witte>yes, but i am not sure what you are talking about
16:21<witte>just install kwifimanager, and check for available networks (i think that will be the fastest ;-))
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16:21<Djmaster>the problem is of configuration of the device ??
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16:22<witte>Djmaster: I am not sure
16:22<witte>Djmaster: I just want to check if your device picks up some networks that are nearby
16:22<Djmaster>oh all this good and lacks to fit some parameter ??
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16:23<witte>could be, did you fill in a key for the network (if it is wep or wpa
16:24<Djmaster>see this
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16:27<Djmaster>password WEP
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16:29<Djmaster>I do not put key ??
16:30<witte>you have to put the key that is needed, the correct one, which corresponds with the one on the wireless router...
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16:31<witte>Djmaster: of course only if you have set the router to use wep and have set a password there...
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16:34<witte>Djmaster: most of it you have already done
16:34<witte>but maybe that site can help you
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16:36<witte>Djmaster: who has set up the access point?
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16:36<Djmaster>ok wait moment
16:37<witte>is it yours or a public access point or whatever?
16:38<Djmaster>no, it is a network in my house
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16:38<Djmaster>three computers, in network
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16:40<witte>sorry, was on the phone
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16:40<Djmaster>my brother
16:40<Djmaster>install all point access
16:40<witte>Djmaster: ok, did he add encryption: wep or wpa?
16:41<yotta_>is there any way to have debian automount a device when it's connected, and/or run a script when when connected?
16:42<witte>Djmaster: so you have to set that password in your configuration
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16:42<yotta_>In particular, I'm looking to use LUKS to mount an encrypted partition when a USB flash drive with a key is inserted.
16:43<Djmaster>already this in the configuration box
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16:44<Djmaster>all this working well, after to have seen the code ???
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16:44<witte>Djmaster: ok, then, did you already install kwifimanager to look if you could see if the network is available
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16:50<Djmaster>as I prove the network
16:51<Djmaster>install kwifimanager?
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16:51<witte>Djmaster: yes, can you try to do that, so you can scan for networks
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16:52<Djmaster>He is not imcompatible with gnome??? in this moment install..
16:53<witte>Djmaster: no, you can run any kde application in gnome
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16:53<Djmaster>ooh , wonderfull
16:53<witte>Djmaster: probably there is a gnome equivalent that i do not know...
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17:01<Djmaster>even this installing the package
17:01<Djmaster>is big...
17:01<witte>Djmaster: kwifimanager is not big, but if you have no kde stuff yet, it can be quite big :(
17:02<Djmaster>ok, jaja
17:02<Djmaster>63 mb
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17:03<witte>Djmaster: the package itself is smaller than 370 kB :-)
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17:03<Djmaster>you have the rason
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17:05<Harzilein>hi there
17:06<Djmaster>do not wrait in English if I am not sure that this written good
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17:11<Djmaster>how to run kwifimanager??
17:11<witte>Djmaster: go to a console and type kwifimanager ;-)
17:14<Djmaster>ok in console have many errors but run..
17:14<Djmaster>searchin networks
17:14<Djmaster>acces point: no access point
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17:15<Djmaster>locaip : noavalaible
17:15<Djmaster>unavailable sorry
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17:16<Djmaster>frequency:2.437 (6)
17:16<witte>ok, then I can't help you
17:16<witte>maybe someone more knowledgeable than I is listening here and can help you...
17:17<Djmaster>ok I am thankful to you by everything
17:17<witte>Djmaster: probably it will not be that difficult to get it working, but i am not really a wireless expert...
17:18<Djmaster>ok, no problem.
17:20<Djmaster>follow working to make work it
17:21<Djmaster>thanks, bye
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17:24<fown>Hello. I'm looiking for a way of simulating keyboard and mouse events on linux. Does anybody know the name of a debian (or other) package I can install to do this?
17:26<Waddledee>Um, I don't have an answer, but I do have a question: why do you want to?
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17:29<fown>Waddledee: I want to be able to run demos of software by running the simulating user input with a script. It would also make some different kinds of presentations possible.
17:30<Waddledee>fown: *nods* Neat idea. Still can't help you, but maybe Google for likely keywords?
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17:31<Harzilein>fown: yes, there is such a program
17:33<fown>Harzilein, Waddledee: Tried Google. Windows has AutoITscript (which I use at work), but I want to be able to simulate events in X at home by whatever means possible. What is the program, Harzilein? Where might I get it?
17:33<Harzilein>fown: i needed confirmation on the "in X" part
17:33<Harzilein>fown: it's already in debian
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17:34<fown>Harzilein: Where? I looked at the xorg wiki
17:35<fown>Does it use a commandline mechanism or some user event recorder?
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17:39<Sh3ytaN>hi =)
17:39<Sh3ytaN>Is Turk Online =)
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17:48<yotta_>is it possible to do a non-raid install, then convert to RAID1 later?
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17:51<Harzilein>yotta_: i think you imply "with the same drive"...
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17:51<Harzilein>yotta_: because of course you can install on one device and later copy everything to another
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17:53<Harzilein>yotta_: oh, nvm
17:53<Harzilein>yotta_: i thought raid1 = raid0
17:54<Harzilein>yotta_: i think it should be feasible to mirror a drive by hand and then add it as a raid1 mirror, yes. but check for how it's done first before relying on what i say ;)
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17:57<peterS>yotta_: the thing to do is figure out how to create a raid array with a missing drive. from the command line this is easy enough, you say 'mdadm --create .... /dev/hda1 missing' with the word "missing" in place of the extra device name. from the debian-installer UI, I don't know if this can be done automatically
17:57<Harzilein>fown: there's both
17:59<peterS>yotta_: then later when you have another drive, you can partition it, then add it to your raid array also using mdadm, at which point the kernel will automatically mirror the stripe onto it
17:59[~]peterS has done this sort of thing a lot, but not recently enough to remember exact command-line invocations - read 'man mdadm'
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18:00<fown>Harzilein: like kbde?
18:00<Harzilein>fown: i don't know kbde
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18:02<fown>Harzilein: me neither. it's at
18:02<Harzilein>fown: one command is xautomation, but i remember there's one i liked more
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18:02<Harzilein>fown: you should check the debian packages first instead of freshmeat
18:03<Harzilein>fown: xmacro - Record / Play keystrokes and mouse movements in X displays
18:03<Harzilein>fown: is that what you want?
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18:05<fown>Thanks Harzilein. That sounds much easier than
18:05<Harzilein>fown: it has another scope
18:06<Harzilein>fown: <Harzilein> fown: i needed confirmation on the "in X" part
18:06<fown>I just man on the free xorg desktop (whether in Gnome or KDE or whatever desktop).
18:06<Harzilein>fown: the approach on that url is more generic, but overkill if everything you want to record happens in an x11 session
18:07<fown>I agree [man -> meant]
18:08<witte>hello, my sparc64 does not boot anymore (new 2.6.22 kernel), and i end up in a "(initramfs)" environment. I now want to boot from cdrom, but i do not know how to do that
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18:10<witte>ok, it could be that i by accident arrived in openboot again
18:10<witte>i think i am able to work on it, so nevermind :-)
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18:12<Harzilein>fown: notice though that there's no standard for those "recorded movements", you can't just exchange them and it's all lowlevel stuff, i.e. it won't record "user clicked on 'ok' button widget" but "user moved mouse to position x,y and clicked button z"
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18:15<fown>Harzilein: I installed the package. Excellent. Now I just need to go look up keycodes. Whatever I end up doing with it I want to make modular and I think I prefer low-level.
18:16<Harzilein>fown: why do you think you need to look up keycodes?
18:16<fown> -k KEYCODE the keycode for the key used for quitting.
18:16<fown>from xmacrorec -h
18:16<Harzilein>if you don't specify one it'll ask for one
18:17<Harzilein>and xmacrorec2 was the one that did what i expected
18:17<fown>xmacrorec just outputs the help message
18:17<Harzilein>yeah, because it wants a "remote x11 display" as a mandatory argument
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18:17<fown>Server VendorRelease: 70101000
18:17<fown>Xlib: extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0".
18:17<fown>xmacrorec2: XRecord extension not supported on server ":0.0"
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18:21<Harzilein>yeah, because it wants a "remote x11 display" as a mandatory argument
18:22<Harzilein>was the answer to xmacrorec
18:22<Harzilein>yeah, you seem to be missing that server extension just like it says
18:22<Harzilein>fown: what x server are you using?
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18:23<yotta_>What's a good program to scrub free space on a disk to prevent data recovery?
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18:24<witte>yotta_: you want to loose the data forever?
18:25<witte>yotta_: you can dd some random data to it
18:25<Harzilein>witte: there are programs that'll do that for him, repeatedly and in voodoo patterns ;)
18:25<Harzilein>yotta_: wipe - Secure file deletion
18:25<Harzilein>yotta_: that's one
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18:25<witte>Harzilein: ah, ok, my data is not that important that i need to do that in voodoo patterns :P
18:25<Harzilein>yotta_: of course security is relative ;)
18:26<fown>Harzilein: presumably the default one on Etch. I don't know the command that'll enlighten me otherwise
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18:27<yotta_>yes, I want to loose the data forever
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18:27<yotta_>I'm converting a fileserver to use LUKS encrypted volumes [to protect stored data
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18:27<yotta_>don't want it to be recoverable from pre-conversion data on the disk
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18:29<Harzilein>yotta_: well, the package description of wipe suggests it'll be harder to recover using it instead of dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/thatdisk
18:29<fown>Harzilein: Xorg - X11R6 X server
18:30<Harzilein>fown: cat /etc/debian_version
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18:31<Harzilein>should be recent enough...
18:32<fown>Thanks very much for your help, Harzilein. But I have to get some sleep now. It's quite possible with all my prior messing with apt I took off something I shouldn't have.
18:32<fown>I'll have to look into that later, though.
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18:33<fown>Thanks! Goodnight!
18:33[~]fown phones home zzzzzz
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18:36<Harzilein>i suspect etch xorg is missing that feature because of reported segfaults
18:36<Harzilein>is there some way i can read the README.Debian that came with that version online?
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19:06<aricz>hmhm, 'apt-get install nmap' .. this is what I get "0% [Waiting for headers]" .. I can ping .. anyone know what may cause this?
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19:30<soberon>Good evening... Please: Where must be writed the instruction "apm=on" in order to activate apm at boot time?... Thanks
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19:36<amphi>soberon: in the kernel command line - you can edit it from the grub menu
19:37<soberon>OK... Just after things like vga=788?
19:37<soberon>In /boot/grub/menu.lst?
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19:39<amphi>soberon: I meant at boot time, but, yes there for permanance
19:39<amphi>soberon: you might also want to put it in the line beginning '# kopt' so that new kernels get that also
19:40<soberon>Thanks a lot Amphi
19:43<amphi>you're welcome
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19:48<kexbar>hi everyone!
19:49<kexbar>anybody no the usual usage of NC, namely Netcat on Linux?
19:49<kexbar>i'm newbie on Linux!
19:50<runlevelten>man netcat
19:52<amphi>kexbar: or the docs under /usr/share/doc
19:53<kexbar>i have tried "man netcat". only too many info. but few example!
19:53<simonrvn>try netcat --help;
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19:53<kexbar>ok, i'll try to catch that DOC! anyway, thank u!
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19:55<kexbar>wonderful, i think "netcat -h " is better than "man netcat"! thanks!
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20:15<Vantage13>anyone know when linux-image 2.6.22 is supposed to enter unstable?
20:16<Vantage13>because the nvidia driver is broken until it does :)
20:16<Supaplex>it works fine in 2.6.18
20:16<Vantage13>sure, but it's broken in 2.6.21
20:17<Supaplex>what's wrong with .18?
20:17<Vantage13>well, i'd have to downgrade back to it, but if 2.6.22 is entering sid I can just wait for that...
20:17<Vantage13>some of the packages are in already for 2.6.22
20:17<Supaplex>is your hardware supported with .18?
20:18<Vantage13>source, doc, tree, etc are all there...
20:18<Supaplex>sounds like sns syndrome ;)
20:20<yotta_>how do i get udev to run a script when a particualr usb device is connected?
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20:20<Supaplex>!sns syndrome
20:20<dpkg>somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
20:22<Vantage13>eh, i'm just running sid and do an upgrade about once a month
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20:23<Vantage13>this time it just happened to break the nvidia driver
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20:25<Vantage13>so now I can either wait for 2.6.22 (which looks like it's on its way in) or roll back
20:27<aricz>haha.. sns.. good one
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20:28<sward>Hmm, I’ve always called that lag syndrome (latest and greatest)
20:29<tbrock>hey guys, is there a software package taht is web based that will let you see analytics of your web stats
20:30<tbrock>like number of hits
20:30<tbrock>and where everyone is coming from
20:30<Supaplex>like google analytics?
20:30<chealer>Vantage13: it's already in
20:31<tbrock>umm yeah
20:31<Vantage13>chealer: linux-image? i've seen the source packages...
20:31<chealer>Vantage13: yes, well, there's no "linux-image" package, there are multiple.
20:31<Vantage13>chealer: right, i'm not seeing any of them yet. What mirror?
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20:32<chealer>Vantage13: it's not a mirror question, it's an architecture question.
20:32<Vantage13>chealer: what mirror are you using that you can see it though?
20:32<Vantage13>chealer: mine might not be updated yet
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20:33<Supaplex>if you can see through a mirror, it's glass. ;)
20:33<chealer>Vantage13: none. I know that some linux-image packages are in from d-d-c and
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20:33<sward>tbrock: awstats and webalizer to name two of them.
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20:34<Vantage13>chealer: d-d-c?
20:34<chealer>Vantage13: debian-devel-changes
20:34<Vantage13>chealer: ah, might they packages your seeing be coming from there or qa?
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20:35<chealer>Vantage13: the packages don't come from d-d-c or, it's just that you can see they're in unstable there.
20:36<tbrock>sward: thanks!
20:36<Vantage13>chealer: then if you were to download them, what server would you be downloading them from?
20:36<chealer>Vantage13: any Debian mirror
20:36<Vantage13>chealer: not so, otherwise I could download them right now (which I cannot)
20:37<Vantage13>chealer: the latest linux-image files I can see after an update is linux-image-2.6.21*
20:38<chealer>Vantage13: any Debian mirror of the architecture of the specific package then
20:38<Vantage13>chealer: i386?
20:39<Vantage13>chealer: or k7 to be exact
20:40<Vantage13>chealer: which is not in this list from packages.d.o
20:41<chealer>Vantage13: OK, then it's both an architecture and mirror question. when did you update your packages index?
20:42<Vantage13>chealer: about 1 minute ago
20:42<chealer>Vantage13: Linux 2.6.22 images for i386 are on for example
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20:43<Vantage13>chealer: is that a mirror or a separate repository?
20:44<chealer>Vantage13: it's a secondary mirror
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20:52<Deselect>I seem to have an issue with my fstab and was hoping someone could help me out... Regarding automounting hdds
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20:53<Vantage13>chealer: yup, they're there now for me. Thanks.
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20:53<Deselect>I have a ext3 hdd that seems to be read only, although the FSTAB indicates otherwise, and an NTFS drive that should be RO and is instead not showing at all
20:54<Deselect>I can post the 2 FSTAB lines, if needed.
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20:57<litage>i manually rotated /var/log/php/php.log to php.log.0 . after reloading and then restarting apache-ssl, logs are still being written to php.log.0 rather than php.log . why is that?
20:58<Supaplex>litage: how did you restart it?
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20:58<litage>Supaplex: i ran ``sudo /etc/init.d/apache-ssl reload'', then after i found that php.log.0 was still being written to, i ran ``sudo /etc/init.d/apache-ssl reload-modules''. that didn't get the logs to php.log , so i ran ``sudo /etc/init.d/apache-ssl restart''
21:00<Supaplex>humm that should work. logrotate does restart (for apache2)
21:00<Supaplex>my apache-ssl box does reload. either should work.
21:00<litage>Supaplex: i manually rotated /var/log/php/php.log because i haven't yet created a logrotate config file for php
21:01<Supaplex>are you sure it stopped cleanly?
21:02<litage>Supaplex: yeah; i didn't send it any sort of hup/term/kill sig..
21:02<yotta_>can someone point me at a tutorial for writing udev scripts?
21:02<dpkg>udev is at , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:
21:03<litage>Supaplex: by "manually" rotated, i mean: mv php.log php.log.0; cp php.log.0 php.log; echo -n >php.log
21:05<Supaplex>well /etc/init.d/apache-ssl restart *should* have exited all the existing apache instnaces and restarted, thus closing and opening files all over again
21:05<litage>Supaplex: that's exactly what i thought. i'll try stopping and starting apache-ssl
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21:19<alanhaggai>Hi, I allowed the Debian installer to select the partitions. I installed Debian in a 30 GB partition. But now, / is full. Debian had selected it to be around 300 MB. What should I do?
21:20<Supaplex>you should have /var and /usr and /home partitions to.
21:20<Supaplex>did you install everything? :P
21:22<alanhaggai>Supaplex, yes, I have /var, /usr and /tmp mounted in seperate partitions.
21:23<alanhaggai>Now / is 100% full (259 MB) and amarok is not playing.
21:23<Supaplex>how long ago was debian installed?
21:23<alanhaggai>Supaplex, just two days back did I install it.
21:23<Supaplex>so it ran normal today, until just recently?
21:24<Supaplex>sounds like /tmp is still part of /
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21:24<alanhaggai>Supaplex, I didn't note it yesterday. It is just today that it started acting like this.
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21:24<alanhaggai>Yes Supaplex. How can I check and change it?
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21:25<Supaplex>alanhaggai: well, cleanout /tmp of everything you're not using, backup the rest, and use a tmpfs mount in /tmp
21:26<alanhaggai>Ok Supaplex. :)
21:26<alanhaggai>I will try that.
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21:27<Supaplex>sliced up mounts are optimal for servers, but you have to be aware of how to juggle data or partitions when the crunch comes in. it's very handy if one file system gets hosed (limits exposure), or say /var/log fill up too fast. workstations work fine with everything in / (usually)
21:27<Supaplex>the lvm2 is handy to
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21:27<Supaplex>the lvm2 howto is handy (if you consider using lvm)
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21:28<keston>how can i remove the trash bin icon from the desktop? i have it moved to the menu panel but it is still on the main screen.
21:29<ricky>Perhaps #gnome would know?
21:30<keston>i am using kde.
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21:31<ricky>Oh, then #kde- whoops.
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21:51<seanyo>#i need help with networking :( seems debian 4 limits my bandwidth to 6k a sec and pings are through the roof on ping and traceroute
21:51<seanyo>is this a common problem?
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21:53<Supaplex>that's unusual
21:53<dli>!tell seanyo about ask
21:53<seanyo>i thought so
21:53<Supaplex>what's your load average?
21:53<Supaplex>and is it 6kb/s everywhere?
21:54<Supaplex>are you on dialup?
21:54<seanyo>I have a problem with my bandwidth (because of debian); I'm running Debian version 4. When I try to do downloading I get the following output of 6k/sec tops. I expected it to do the ADSL maximum, minus other computer's traffic
21:54<seanyo>that's the thing, it acts like dialup which drives me insane
21:55<seanyo>it's because of debian
21:55<seanyo>i'm on a mac right now and downloading fedora 7... other linux distros run the net smoothly
21:55<Supaplex>I'm using debian on dsl, and I'm getting all the dsl speed I expect
21:55<seanyo>during installation...
21:55<seanyo>i have to say do not configure network
21:56<seanyo>then to even access the net i have to do dhclient as root, then i can see the net but i get 6k
21:56<Supaplex>do you use dhcp?
21:56<Supaplex>man 5 interfaces
21:56<Supaplex>interfaces (5) - network interface configuration for ifup and ifdown
21:57<seanyo>i don't understand
21:57<seanyo>i'm a newb
21:57<Supaplex>if you're using dhclient by hand, you're doing it wrong
21:57<seanyo>i am using the linux all in one desk reference for dummies
21:57<Supaplex>edit /etc/network/interfaces as the man page suggestes
21:57<Supaplex>run man interfaces from your shell
21:58<seanyo>as user or root
21:58<Supaplex>and burn the book if they never mentioned man pages
21:58<Supaplex>any user
21:58<seanyo>brb, that computer is in the other room, start a private chat?
21:58<seanyo>just type man interfaces in bash?
21:59<Supaplex>i'm tearing an embeded system into pieces, so I might not respond in a timely manner
21:59<seanyo>ok, brb
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22:00<seanyo>ok, that command worked, but what am i looking for
22:01<Supaplex>study it
22:01<seanyo>oh, it'll teach me how to rememdy the problem?
22:02<Supaplex>it'll tell you how to do networking the debian way
22:02<Supaplex>ifup eth0 ifdown eth0 etc.
22:02<seanyo>is it on the web? so i can read on this mac?
22:03<Supaplex>google for key words in the man page you think might show one
22:04<seanyo>thank you, something new to try, i'll return in a day or so if the problem isn't resolved
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22:30<aespinoza>hi to everyone.
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22:55<juancgt>if when installing debian i want it to skip the firewire (since its setting it up as a eth0 device), what argument should i pass?
22:56<litage>juancgt: nice of you to post that question across multiple irc servers =P
22:56<juancgt>litage, nice of you to read on both and not help
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22:56<litage>juancgt: don't be rude
22:57<juancgt>litage, sorry, i was jk
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22:57<litage>juancgt: it's pessimistic and rude to assume that i'm able but unwilling to help
22:57<juancgt>litage, again, i was jk
22:57<juancgt>litage, do you know though?
22:57<litage>juancgt: 'fraid not
22:58<litage>juancgt: what's the real problem though?
22:58<juancgt>my firewire is taking up eth0, and im reinstalling on the same system and want it not to happen
22:59<litage>juancgt: but your NIC is still being assigned eth1 or eth2 or ..., right?
22:59<juancgt>yeah, but nm-applet complains though
23:00<juancgt>since im need to reinstall on this same system a couple of times, i wanted to get that set up from step 1
23:01[~]juancgt heads on to another server heh
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23:05<G-L1nk>tem BR aqui?
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23:31<bathat_>i've been trying to recover my partition table for a few days now
23:32<bathat_>testdisk doesn't pick anything up anymore and it seems pretty bleak
23:32<bathat_>i never wrote the data to disk but i do have the partition information, so i was wondering if it's possible to somehow use this to force testdisk to reconstruct the partitions...
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23:39<king_crimson>ah, beautiful. we have this old pentium 3 slim dell optiplex we keep in the kitchen. i thought the wifi card was bad, it kept disconnecting every 15 seconds under windows. i just wiped it clean and installed etch and the card has been working flawlessly
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23:40<king_crimson>go figure, windows didnt do something right.
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23:40<Guest41>please, some body what speak spanish
23:41<king_crimson>no habla espanol estoy apesadumbrado
23:42<king_crimson>intento usando :)
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23:48<Guest41>que es apesadumbrado
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23:50<king_crimson>usted puede traducir español al inglés con
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23:52<Guest41>gracias hermano
23:52<Guest41>mic quien eres
23:53<mic>sorry english
23:53<king_crimson>¿qué el medio "mic"? no tradujo eso.
23:53<Guest41>Somebody can say to me like updating knoppix
23:53<king_crimson>oh nevermind
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23:53<Guest41>King me has worked the one of Babel
23:54<king_crimson>¿actualización qué parte de knoppix? el traductor no es perfecto, él puede no trabajar bien.
23:54<mic>can anyone help, im trying to setup a web server and i dont know where to start
23:54<king_crimson>mic: yeah i am an expert with that :)
23:54<king_crimson>start with installing apache2
23:54<king_crimson>as root, apt-get install apache2
23:54<mic>apt-get command?
23:54<king_crimson>do you just plan to have a simple site with no PHP or anything special?
23:54<Guest41>mic single pon the name of the ejecutador when pressures alt+f2
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23:55<mic>php mysql
23:55<king_crimson>oh ok
23:55<Guest41>king hablas español_
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23:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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