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---Logopened Thu Jul 26 00:00:01 2007
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00:00<Archimed>ok back.... now after doign alsaconf
00:00<Archimed>and doing a restart.... my mixer doesnt even come near the watch...
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00:01<Archimed>its like, it doesnt start as a startup anymore
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00:06<dli>!tell Archimed about ask
00:07<Archimed>ok, basically, i use Debian 4.0 Etch, and SIS7012 soundcard - onboard... i just asked the question and had to restart
00:07<Archimed>i hear no sound
00:07<Archimed>alsa has recognized eerything
00:07<Archimed>but still doesnt work
00:08<Archimed>when running amixer i get allot of info that is unclear to me
00:08<Archimed>i used otehr mxier with GNOME and i have unmuted and still hear no sound
00:09<Archimed>and after restaring it doesnt even startup when logging in.. :(......
00:09<dli>!tell Archimed about doesn't work
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00:10<Archimed>dli, ithere is no soind coming out of my headphone, my speakers.... and yes i have plugged into right hole
00:12<dli>Archimed, try " aplay /dev/urandom "
00:13<Archimed>nothing comes out
00:13<dli>Archimed, maybe, your speaker broken
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00:14<Archimed>i used headphones too
00:15<Archimed>i used this soundcard with windows and it worked
00:15<dli>Archimed, I don't know about windows
00:15<Archimed>for some odd reasons, linux doesnt do anything on this card
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00:15<Archimed>i have used, Testing - Lenny. and Stable
00:15<dli>Archimed, is snd-intel8x0 your driver? in lsmod
00:15<Archimed>and no go
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00:16<gato>ola tudo bem??
00:16<Archimed>snd_intel8x0 30332 0
00:16<Archimed>snd_ac97_codec 83104 1 snd_intel8x0 also this one
00:16<dli>Archimed, cat /proc/asound/cards
00:17<gato>alguma gata afim de tc
00:17<Archimed> 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012
00:17<Archimed> SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10
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00:18<dli>Archimed, make sure you don't have arts/esd running
00:18<Archimed>how do i do that?
00:18<dli>Archimed, /etc/init.d/artsd stop
00:18<dli>Archimed, /etc/init.d/esound stop
00:19<Archimed>neither of them exist
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00:19<Archimed>however when i run, esd it doesnt give me anything, it just runs and blank
00:19<tupa>is there some way to do SMP using two different boxes or does that make no sense?
00:20<dli>tupa, read about mpich
00:20<Archimed>dli, can it be like irq conflict? cause i have external USB 2 card , which is not recognized by debian either
00:20<dli>Archimed, then, " alsamixer -c 0 "
00:21<Archimed>ok, i am in the mixer
00:21<Archimed>pc speaker is 100%
00:21<dli>Archimed, you should check dmesg first
00:22<Archimed>dli, how?
00:22<dli>Archimed, you need to unmute and increase all
00:22<dli>Archimed, dmesg|less
00:22<dli>Archimed, search for ALSA
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00:23<tupa>dli thank you :P
00:24<dli>tupa, also, read about openMP, openMosix, and SSI
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00:26[~]linux-fox happy
00:26<linux-fox>hello , everyone ,i am going to build a irc server in the debian etch , what software should i choose ?
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00:28<tupa>dli, definitely I'm reading about them
00:28<Archimed>dli, cant find anything
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00:29<dli>Archimed, find harder
00:30<Archimed>there is nothing conatining alsa
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00:31<dli>Archimed, read line by line, then, if you can not read, there's little help you may expect
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00:31<jm_>linux-fox: use packaged ircd-s instead
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00:33<Archimed>dli, ACPI: RSDT (v001 AMIINT SiS645XX 0x00000010 MSFT 0x0100000b) @ 0x1fff0000, this is the onlyyhing i can think that concerns the sound, since this is the main chipset
00:33<toogreen>hi guys, quick question... can i upgrade from php4 to php5 and my apps like moodle, squirrelmail will still work?
00:34<toogreen>i mean are they still gonna work?
00:34<linux-fox>jm_, ircd-s ? is it the best irc server ?
00:35<linux-fox>jm_, what about irc-hybird?
00:35<weasel>there are so many different irc daemons
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00:35<weasel>the only thing they have in common is that they all suck
00:35<weasel>just like all software.
00:35<Archimed>dli, when i did just dmesg this i found
00:35<Archimed>intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 55072 usecs
00:35<Archimed>intel8x0: clocking to 48000
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00:39<Archimed>dli, is tehre hope for this or no?
00:40<jm_>linux-fox: ircd-s as in plural, pick one, install it
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00:42<linux-fox_>jm_:thank you
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00:42<linux-fox_>jm_:which irc server do you use?
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00:44<oddtod>hey guys would there be any issues if i were to install debian and set it up as a server(in VMware) then move it to a real machine?
00:44<weasel>probably not
00:45<oddtod>thanks weasel
00:47<jm_>linux-fox_: we are using ircd-hybrid at work (we used dancer previously)
00:48<linux-fox_>jm_: ok , i will use ircd-hybird now , thank you , what is your msn account ? or other IM ?
00:48<jm_>linux-fox_: I don't have any IM accounts
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00:49<linux-fox_>jm_: ^_^ ,
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00:55<sol0_>hi qgqin
00:55<sol0_>hi again
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01:20<seanius>toogreen: probably... if the app is reported to work with php5 anyway. just make sure you get all the right php5-foo installed too
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01:48<niru>How can i make a usb boot device for grub corruption
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01:48<niru>My grub corrupts most of the time
01:49<niru>I want to make a usb boot device bt it should use very less space
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01:49<niru>and rest should to free to use for other purpose
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01:50<sol0_kmf_58>hi/ can u help mem i a; looking for hakin9 delfault lognin
01:51<jm_>niru: GRUB needs about 120k of space on filesystem
01:52<niru>jm_, ok I have a usb of 4 GB
01:52<niru>how can i use only 120 k of the space and rest to keep free to use
01:52<niru>jm_, any document to make such an usb
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01:55<sol0_kmf_58>hi/ can u help me i am looking for hakin9 delfault lognin
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02:02<jm_>niru: uhm use grub-install script
02:02<niru>jm_, oh
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02:18<lanceallott>any one here know what power of 2 error means when trying to run beryl
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02:27<sol0_kmf_58>hummmm<<< i hope it work4s on linksys
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02:31<dado2007>good morning!
02:32<matthias>good morning
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02:54<locsmif>Where would i discuss corrections for debian-policy?
02:54<simon444>mail list
02:54<locsmif>I have some minor spelling errors and weird sentences, and i decided to note them down while reading debian-policy
02:54<locsmif>simon444, hmm, you're right, thx
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02:55[~]locsmif is tired and unsharp atm
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02:55<gmax>hello folks
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02:56<gmax>im doing an upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.21 on the way to upgrading to etch
02:57<gmax>the upgrade process has gone well except that when i boot the new kernel it fails to mount the root file system and panics
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02:57<gmax>one key difference in the boot info is that on the old kernel it showed loading the scsi driver
02:57<gmax>on the new kernel it does not show this
02:58<gmax>can anyone help me with this please :)
02:59<streuner>etch doesnt have 2.6.21
02:59<streuner>what does "cat /proc/version" say?
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03:00<gmax>i know etch doesnt have 2.6.21. what im doing is updating sarge to the highest level before upgrading to etch
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03:01<streuner>read "release notes" about and use a working kernel from sarge
03:01<gmax>Linux version 2.6.12 (root@development) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1)) #0 Mon May 15 14:33:44 CEST 2006
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03:01<gmax>which release notes should i read ?
03:02<gmax>i have been following the upgrade process
03:02<streuner>!release notes
03:02<dpkg>from memory, release notes is
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03:02<gmax>ok but i'm not at etch yet
03:02<gmax>still on sarge
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03:02<streuner>sure, those mention sarge->etch
03:02<gmax>mmm thats what i've been using
03:02<gmax>now im stuck
03:03<gmax>im sure that it is because the scsi driver is not loading
03:03<gmax>but i dont know how to make it load
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03:03<sol0_>nor;ally it reconize it
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03:04<sol0_>normally it reconize it
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03:04<gmax>if i boot the old kernel it works ok
03:04<streuner>gmax: what does "lspci -v | grep -i scsi" say? - Is the device supported at all (2.6.18)?
03:04<gmax>i dont know much about kernel
03:04<sol0_>dont knoz
03:04<streuner>ok, just use the "old" kernel then
03:04<gmax> 1 moment
03:05<gmax>00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: BusLogic BT-946C (BA80C30) [MultiMaster 10] (rev 01)
03:05<gmax>(result of lspci)
03:06<jm_>make sure new kernel loads the driver for it, or simply use old kernel and upgrade with it
03:06<gmax>how do i make the new kernel load the driver ?
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03:07<streuner>what module did it use before?
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03:07<gmax>i dont know how to answer that question
03:07<gmax>modprobe ?
03:08<streuner>just run "lsmod" and take a look there
03:08<streuner>(with the working kernel)
03:08<gmax>lsmod shows nothing
03:08<streuner>oh, everything is compilied into the kernel itselfs? - clever
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03:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
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03:09<streuner>try this one then
03:10<gmax>thats clever
03:10<streuner>due to the fact that official kernels work via initrd, make sure initrd-package is installed...
03:10<gmax>i think it is. i told it to
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03:12<gmax>i have initrd-tools installed
03:12<gmax>apt-cache show initrd-package says E no packages found
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03:13<streuner>if you want udev, yaird doesnt support udev...
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03:15<bcochofel>Hi, I know about ssh keys for password-less connections but I want to know if there's some kind of env var to keep the password for a connection without keys?
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03:15<gmax>i did a aptitude install initramfs-tools and it said "nothing to do"
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03:16<locsmif>bcochofel, you are looking for ssh-agent
03:16<streuner>well, bootloader needs to know where to find initrd-img...
03:16<streuner>in lilo at least, if you using grub just read the docs about
03:16<locsmif>bcochofel, man ssh-agent
03:16<jm_>bcochofel: you can also enable it and it will start together with X server for your convenience
03:16<gmax>using lilo
03:17<streuner>ok, tell that in lilo.conf
03:17<streuner>always run "lilo -v" not only lilo...
03:17<gmax>it is not mentioned in lilo
03:17<gmax>i'll check that out
03:17<streuner>good luck
03:18<bcochofel>Can ssh-agent keep track of passwords even with no keys?!
03:18<bcochofel>locsmif, jm_ : I need something without working with keys
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03:20<jm_>bcochofel: good luck :)
03:20<jm_>I use expect like solution(s) for that
03:21<bcochofel>jm_: I was also thinking about that. But if there's another solution so much the great
03:21<locsmif>doesn't that require you to store the password in a manner so that it can be reproduced
03:23<formorer>bcochofel: sshpass - Non-interactive ssh password authentication
03:23<jm_>locsmif: sadly yes
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03:24<bcochofel>jm_, locsmif : I'm writing a script that can handle several ssh connections so I do not have to keep track of every pass. So I need to store them in a place already.
03:24<bcochofel>I'm only trying to save time
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03:25<bcochofel>formorer: have to check that. thx
03:27<monra>in my pc i got 3 different OS, in the past i was able to mount windows files from linux but don't remember how to do this anymore
03:27<monra>any ideas?
03:27<locsmif>it seems like ssh is the wrong daemon for the job..
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03:28<locsmif>monra, mount -t ntfs <device> <mountpoint>
03:28<jm_>monra: man mount
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03:28<locsmif>monra, beware with ntfs and writing
03:28<locsmif>if it's FAT, use vfat instead of ntfs after -t
03:30<jm_>you can also omit -t altogether
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03:31<bcochofel>jm_, locsmif : one more question. sshpass appears in the ps command (and so does the pass). Maybe it's better the expect way, right?
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03:31<bcochofel>formorer: do you use sshpass? does the -e option appear in the ps output?
03:32<bcochofel>monra: you can always try konqueror smb://servername/sharename
03:32<monra>I tried opening console from GNOME but with no sucess!!! din't open , i went ctr+alt+f1 logged in but couldn't do anything i returned then in GNOME and couldn't move mouse so i restarted!
03:32<locsmif>bcochofel, perhaps clusterssh is something for you?
03:32<locsmif>(just noticed it in apt-cache, see apt-cache show clusterssh)
03:33<locsmif>bcochofel, that's a disadvantage, yeah
03:33<formorer>bcochofel: no, I just was its sponsor
03:33<formorer>test it
03:34<bcochofel>locsmif: gonna check that
03:34<monra>now after restart the console works fine with gnome but if i close it i won't be able to open it again!
03:37<gmax>are you there streuner
03:37<gmax>that worked
03:37<gmax>thanks very much
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04:25<mixter>hi! i'm having troubles installing etch from a netinst cd. all goes well until the installation of the extra-packages retrieved from internet. the installer fetches all the packages, but then hangs. i've tried to boot with "noapic nolapic" and from time to time (when testing yesterday) that worked, but now the installer freezes even with there params. :-/
04:25<mixter>are there any known issues for etch with ibm servers? this is the second one giving me a headache...
04:27<jm_>try pci=nommc
04:27<mixter>jm_: in combination with noapic nolapic or by it self?
04:28<mixter>jm_: should it be pci=nommconf? or could it be shortened?
04:29<jm_>mixter: I would try with all three, I think either nommc or nommconf will work, but nommconf is in the docs
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04:31<mixter>jm_: ok, i'll try and get back if it doesn't work :-)
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04:40<Metalqga>do you know what can cause my debian to lose it's internet connection? (cable internet)
04:41<Metalqga>it happens when using dowloading torrents
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04:41<dli>!tell Metalqga about ask
04:42<Metalqga>i think I've provided enough information
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04:43<mixter>jm_: it worked with just pci=nommc, i'll try it a few more times. i don't trust the system right now since it worked from time to time even without pci=nommc
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04:55<bach>hi all
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05:16<deconvolution>hello, I found AUCTeX (11.83-6) package failed to be installed with emacs 22 with message: install/auctex: Ignoring emacsen flavor: "emacs22". Is there any solution to this?
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05:19<formorer>deconvolution: waiting
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05:21<mixter>jm_: no, it wont work. i've tried both with just nommc and "noapic nolapic pci=nommc" but no solution seems to be stable. it works some times, but most often not. :-( any other cmd options?
05:21<xiao>does "" stop update for some days?
05:21<Pepper>Is there a wiki page/irc channel for people using laptop and debian (with powertop)?
05:21<Pepper>A page where all info about saving power in debian is collected?
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05:24<jm_>mixter: what happens when it stops working?
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05:26<mixter>jm_: it's just after downloading the packages from a network mirror. (the base system installs fine) the installer stops right before installing them, but the system isn't hung, i could go to another console
05:27<jm_>mixter: so networking stops working or what?
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05:29<mixter>jm_: no, the network is ok, i could connect to the internet if i'm switching to another console. the installer just don't install the dpkgs it has downloaded
05:29<jm_>mixter: does it hang at 5%?
05:30<mixter>jm_: i think it's 18%, but i guess that is dependent on what o've chosen to install, right? i just install the base system and deselects the desktop environment
05:30<jm_>!5% hang
05:30<mixter>jm_: yes, 18%, the installer says "retrieving file 81 of 81"
05:31<jm_>!5% error
05:31<dpkg>i guess 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, Since etch has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from which would not have this problem
05:31<jm_>mixter: is it similar as the above?
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05:32<jm_>mixter: shouldn't happen if you don't use some old d-i discs
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05:33<mixter>jm_: it a netinst disc with etch, no RC
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05:33<jm_>mixter: then that's likely not the problem
05:34<jm_>mixter: well check all consoles for messages
05:34<jel>anyone know what's up with the kolab packages in sid? According to p.d.o, they're there. According to apt, they're not.
05:34<mixter>jm_: sometimes, when testing different boot options, d-i continues and installes the system, so the keys should be ok
05:35<jm_>jel: p.d.o is sometimes out of date
05:35<jel>jm_: ah, ok. So they've been dropped?
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05:36<mixter>jm_: no errors on any console :-( on the logging console (vt-4) the last line is from in-target and about fetching package 73, whois...
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05:36<jm_>jel: hmm no idea, says it's there
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05:39<mixter>jm_: do you have any other ideas? i've got simlar problems on another server, both from ibm, but they are different models
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05:40<jel>jm_: OK, thanks anyway :)
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05:40<jm_>jel: actually reading mailing list arhives there's nothing to indicate they have been removed
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05:41<jm_>mixter: no, you have to find out what is going on when this happens
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05:42<mixter>jm_: how could i do that? could i make aptitude run i verbose mode or print to a logfile?
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05:43<jm_>mixter: well I would start by checking dmesg output, then ps to see which processes are running, ideally if there was strace I'd use that too to see what they're doing
05:43<C>I have a 'problem' with a dedicated server i connect to over SSH in terminal, the display width i see in terminal is really short (no matter how wide i make the terminal window), is there a way to expand this, i assume its a setting from the server?
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05:44<simon444>yes I have a job proposal! A space agency wants me to work on a project to provide some sun light during the night.
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05:47<jm_>C: what does stty say for your terminal?
05:47<mixter>jm_: ok, i'll see if i could se anything out of the ordinary.. thank you for all the help!
05:47<C>speed 9600 baud; line = 0;
05:47<C>-brkint ixoff -imaxbel
05:47<C>-iexten -echoctl
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05:47<gmax>hi folks
05:47<gmax>this may seem like a silly question
05:47<jm_>no pasting here, use a pastebin site, and you need to run stty -a
05:47<gmax>how do i know if i am running sarge or etch
05:47<jm_>!debian version
05:47<dpkg>To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "testing/unstable", ask me about "testing/unstable".
05:48<gmax>it says lenny/sid
05:48<streuner>What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
05:49<gmax>ii libc6 2.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
05:49<jm_>so you are using neither
05:50<gmax>i think
05:50<streuner>!info libc6 testing
05:50<dpkg>libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB
05:50<streuner>!info libc6
05:51<streuner>!info libc6 sid
05:51<dpkg>libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4297 kB, Installed size: 10436 kB
05:51<gmax>isnt lenny the newest version (newer than etch) ?
05:51<streuner>gmax: show us your sources.list in paster bot, please.
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05:51<gmax>ahhh can you give me paster bot url pls
05:51<streuner>gmax: /topic
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05:52<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or
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05:52<jm_>C: well it says 0 for both, no wonder it's hosed
05:53<C>right, so how do i make it wider?
05:53<jm_>did you try running resize?
05:53<gmax>the commented lines are what i was using before the update
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05:55<streuner>gmax: /msg dpkg secure testing
05:55<gmax>huh ?
05:56<streuner>well, security line is missing in your sources.list
05:56<gmax>is that bad ?
05:57<streuner>could be, it doesnt hurd to have one
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06:00<gmax>so it seems like im running lenny
06:02<streuner>yes, _its_ lenny/testing
06:02<gmax>is that safe ?
06:02<gmax>my understanding is that lenny is the newest version
06:02<gmax>is it stable ?
06:03<_spOOn_>no, lenny is new testing
06:03<twb>"stable" is an alias for the latest release, currently Etch.
06:03<formorer>and currently very "flaky"
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06:03<twb>However in terms of robustness the testing release (currently Lenny) is usually quite adequate for a desktop; I wouldn't put it on a server.
06:03<gmax>i only meant to upgrade to etch
06:04<gmax>i have a server
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06:04<gmax>i guess i should restore and start again
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06:04<twb>That depends on how much time you've invested in the current install.
06:04<gmax>just a few hours
06:04<gmax>its a test system
06:04<gmax>prior to upgrading the production system
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06:05<gmax>so i can throw it away :(
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06:05<_spOOn_>gmax, should you not be trying to match you production server then?
06:05<twb>OK, then definitely just blow it way
06:05<_spOOn_>if you are wanting a true testing environment
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06:06<gmax>spoon the reason im doing this is to establish the procedure before upgrading the production system to etch
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06:06<twb>gmax: be sure to read the Etch release notes
06:06<gmax>thanks for the help guys
06:06<gmax>did that
06:07<gmax>i think my sources.list took me to lenny
06:07<gmax>i think i need to specify sarge and etch in it to keep to the right versions
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06:13<linux-fox>i am going build a forum about debian , whichi forum should i choose?
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06:14<linux-fox>what about phpbb ?
06:14<twb>linux-fox: why?
06:14<simon444>stupid mail transfer protocol
06:15<linux-fox>twb : ?
06:15<simon444>twb, ad money obviously
06:15<linux-fox>twb: i am going to choose phpb
06:15<twb>linux-fox: what do you expect to achieve with *another* forum?
06:16<linux-fox>twb : thank you , i will use phpbb as my forum
06:16<twb>linux-fox: you did not answer my question.
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06:17<linux-fox>twb :i come from china , i am going to build a forum for stuyding debian ,
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06:17<thomasbl>let him make his forum ... in about 2 month he didn't had any fun with it and delete it ;)
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06:18<_spOOn_>why come and ask someone what you should be do?
06:18<_spOOn_>isnt half the fun seeing whats out there, trying all the different products etc?
06:18<twb>Well, personally I'd like to get rid of forae altogether. They strike me as a hideously abberant clone of NNTP for people too ignorant to use anything but a web browser.
06:18<simon444>linux-fox, give me the url so I can click the ads
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06:19<twb>_spOOn_: I'd rather go surfing
06:19<linux-fox>simon444 : i have not built it , it is only a plan
06:19<_spOOn_>exactly, i thought that seeking, and experimenting was what it was all really about? but maybe im weird?
06:20<simon444>linux-fox, guess your not going to make billions of dollars from my clicks
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06:20<_spOOn_>i guess maybe we get used of microsoft telling us what products to use, so we stop looking/trying new things for ourselves
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06:21<_spOOn_>i guess thats where linux comes into it :) freedom of choice
06:21<twb>_spOOn_: I don't see how Microsoft is relevant to anything
06:21<_spOOn_>twb, bad example, sorry
06:21<twb>It's not like any of us use their stuff.
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06:22<simon444>_spOOn_, linux isn't freedom of choice
06:22<_spOOn_>lol, im afraid i have to at work :*(
06:22<simon444>_spOOn_, plan 9 is freedom of choice
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06:22<simon444>after all linux has firefox
06:22<simon444>flash and many other crap
06:23<gmax>what is plan 9 ?
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06:23<twb>plan 9 is what the unix researchers built after unix.
06:23<simon444>!plan 9
06:23<dpkg>from memory, plan9 is at, written by the creators of Unix and C, a highly distributed OS, filesystem layout resembles Unix somewhat. Very mouse intensive. Now under a mostly free license.
06:23<twb>They came up with /proc, for example.
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06:25<_spOOn_>i guess my point is we can CHOOSE to use firefox, flash and things alike, but with MS products, there are things that we cant actually remove
06:25<_spOOn_>as i said, just my opinion, as everyone is welcome to their own opinion
06:26<simon444>you are very blind in that
06:27<simon444>just saying things because you know no different
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06:27<_spOOn_>excuse me?
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06:28<linux-fox>i build the forum , only for studying debian with my many friends , their english is very bad , so i will build a forum ourself
06:28<petemc>have fun
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06:31<linux-fox>when i finish the forum , i will invite everyone to my forum ,
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06:31<vC]Rajohan>will this remove the folder and files in it: rm -d folder?
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06:32<seanius>vC]Rajohan: you want rm -rf folder
06:32<GhostlyDeath>I'd use the full path to the folder to be safe
06:32<twb>vC]Rajohan: don't do things as root unless you need to
06:32<seanius>GhostlyDeath: ++
06:32<vC]Rajohan>twb how can i make a new user when im root?
06:33<seanius>though be careful that tab-completion does what you think it will :)
06:33<twb>vC]Rajohan: adduser(8)
06:33<maini>can mdadm handle a raid 1+1 scenario?
06:33<twb>maini: what is 1+1?
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06:33<GhostlyDeath>twb, 2!
06:33<GhostlyDeath>How do you not know that! =P
06:33<vC]Rajohan>twb: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `8'
06:33<maini>i have four disks sda sdb are md0 sdc sdd are md1 and md0 md1 are md2
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06:34<twb>vC]Rajohan: (8) means it is a chapter 8 command.
06:34<maini>absolute security :)
06:34<twb>maini: you have two RAID1 arrays?
06:34<twb>Oh, I see.
06:34<maini>or three
06:34<twb>What you propose is stupid
06:34<seanius>maini: .... why?
06:34<_spOOn_>maini, why not use raid 0?
06:34<twb>Just have one RAID1 array with four nodes
06:34<maini>because the two raid 1 arrays are in a raid arrays are in a raid array too
06:35<twb>^W is faster
06:35<GhostlyDeath>What does Ctrl+H do?
06:35<maini>GhostlyDeath backspace :)
06:35<Maulkin>Delete last character
06:35<GhostlyDeath>^Z is the fastest!
06:35<twb>GhostlyDeath: it was historically the backspace key.
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06:35<thomasbl>^U :P
06:35<maini>raid 1 with four nodes can only handle two disk failures
06:35<twb>maini: says who?
06:36<seanius>maini: maybe only 1
06:36<maini>seanius yep...
06:36<twb>That doesn't make any sense.
06:36<GhostlyDeath>I should try RAIDing floppies
06:36<seanius>but why not use raid5 or just have two raid1 arrays and use lvm
06:37<twb>Why would a RAID1 array of four nodes not be able to survive up to three disk failures (inclusive)?
06:37<maini>because lvm can`t mirror, or i haven`t understood how to do it :)
06:37<Maulkin>Well, raid5 really can't handle 2 disk failures. With raid1, you at least stand a small chance :)
06:37<Maulkin>twb: erm... cause then you've lost half your data
06:37<_spOOn_>raid 0 mirrors :)
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06:37<twb>Maulkin: he wanted that
06:37<GhostlyDeath>my 80GB failed because the firmware got fried, probably a bad ground maybe?
06:37<Maulkin>twb: Now I'm really confused :)
06:38<twb>I mean he originally asked for 1/4 active capacity
06:38<Maulkin>ahh, raid 1+1 then :)
06:38<GhostlyDeath>My data has been rotting for about a year
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06:38<twb>Unless I'm very much mistaken, RAID1 has EXACTLY THE SAME data on all nodes. Thus you can lose n-1 nodes safely.
06:38<Metalqga>find the same hdd and use the electronics to suck out the pr0n :D
06:38<maini>twd youre right
06:38<maini>maybe :)
06:39<twb>Then you concede that the following is false? 21:35 <maini> raid 1 with four nodes can only handle two disk failures
06:39<Maulkin>twb: ahh, I see. So pure raid 1 over all disks (rather than 0+1)
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06:39<twb>Maulkin: yes.
06:39<Maulkin>twb: agreed :)
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06:39<maini>if youre right then my qouted statement is false
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06:40<maini>then i`ll be back later and test those partitions again :)
06:40<maini>thanks for the help :)
06:40<twb>I question the need for three nodes worth of redundancy.
06:41<twb>I submit it would be better to have one node of redundancy and decent backups.
06:41<maini>this machine will store the backups :)
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06:42<Metalqga>has anyone tried to make a raid combining hdd and flash?
06:43<twb>Don't use flash for read-write storage
06:43<twb>Use it for systems that mostly read, and only occasionally write.
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06:43<Metalqga>yes flash lifecicle is too short (still)
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06:45<vC]Rajohan>how can i install tcl8.4 and tcl8.4-dev
06:45<jm_>the same way you install any other package
06:45<vC]Rajohan>i tryed aptitude install tcl8.4 but it dident find any package
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06:46<jm_>which version of Debian are you using?
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06:46<vC]Rajohan> Debian Sarge
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06:47<GhostlyDeath>I'm planning on making a stand alone program by static linking, you guys think would using up to date libraries break the program on older systems?
06:48<jm_>Sarge has tcl8.4 too
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06:50<vC]Rajohan>jm_ im trying aptitude tcl8.4 but it dont find the package
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06:50<seanius>aptitude install tcl8.4 _
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06:51<seanius>er, forget the _
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06:51<vC]Rajohan>yeah still dont finds it
06:51<gsimmons_>vC]Rajohan: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy tcl8.4"?
06:52<vC]Rajohan>ahh i think its allredy installed on my dedicated server
06:52<vC]Rajohan>the language is in dutch so i really dont understand mutch :S
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06:54<seanius>vC]Rajohan: maybe they have multiple locals set, you could try setting LANG=C
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06:55<vC]Rajohan>how can i do that?
06:55<seanius>try: export LANG=C LC_ALL=C
06:56<weebl^>does anybody know a package with has mysql support included in apache2-mod-php5 ?
06:56<seanius>weebl^: php5-mysql
06:56<vC]Rajohan>thanks :)
06:56<weebl^>thank you
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06:57<weebl^>seanius i love you
06:57<weebl^>i've been working at it for 5 hours but this simple package fixed it all
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07:01<ROOTweiller>Hi from venezuelan
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07:15<Knight_Lord>Has anyone used Nagios to monitor CPU temperature?
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07:19<Metalqga>just lm-sensors
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07:19<seanius>Knight_Lord: on dell servers using a wrapper around omsa
07:20<seanius>Knight_Lord: you might want to dig around on
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07:23<maini>twb you were right, thankyou for the info
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07:29<mixter>why does d-i install lilo sometimes and grub sometimes?
07:30<ranix>because sometimes you tell it to install lilo, and sometimes you tell it to install grub
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07:33<seanius>mixter: grub (in sarge/etch anyway) doesn't support booting from md raid, and the installer is smart enough to know this
07:34<seanius>maybe there are other situations where this happens too, i dunno
07:35<ranix>I am booting into md raid with grub
07:35<ranix>on two machines
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07:36<seanius>is /boot on md raid?
07:36<ranix>can lilo boot from a /boot on md raid?
07:36<ranix>I put my /boot on raid 1 anyway
07:36<seanius>hence the above remarks :)
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07:40<panagos>is there lame for debian?
07:40<dpkg>somebody said lame was Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder.
07:41<px>apt-get install lame!
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07:42<panagos>do i need to add extra repositories?
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07:42<px>mine: deb lenny main non-free contrib
07:43<mixter>seanius: ranix: i got a hardware raid card, and if i let the installer run (and if it succeds to install) i get grub on the machine, but if i do something in d-i it seems to install lilo :-/
07:44<gsimmons_>!tell panagos -about debian-multimedia.etch
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07:45<ranix>grub/lilo are personal preference things anyway, I don't think it matters particularly
07:45<panagos>something else; i had read an article about mirroring debian packages in freenet. does anybody know if the idea has evolved?
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07:50<chealer>dpkg: no, lame is <reply>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
07:50<dpkg>okay, chealer
07:50<ranix>panagos: debian packages are not CP, thefore they will not survive on freenet
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07:50<mixter>ranix: i guess not, but i prefer grub :-) i've got it installed on all other machines, thats why i guess
07:50<px>You got it in the non-free repositorie
07:50<panagos>ranix: what does CP mean>
07:50<panagos>ranix: what does CP mean?
07:50<ranix>FBI party van comes to your door and drags you away
07:50<stew>chealer: infastructure?
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07:50<panagos>is there a way to mirror debian via bittorrent?
07:50<panagos>the installation CDs can be downloaded via bt, for once...
07:50<panagos>* for one
07:51<ranix>that's not really feasable
07:51<lupine>IIRC there's work going into it
07:51<lupine>don't know if it's production-ready, though
07:51<stew>panagos: there is a google SoC project to make packages downloadable via bittorrent or somethien bittorent like
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07:52<gsimmons_>The installation CDs themselves are currently being distributed via BitTorrent: <>
07:53<stew>panagos: though i don't know if all of the latest info is there
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07:54<vC]Rajohan>where is usually apache located on an dedicated serveR?
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07:55<stew>vC]Rajohan: /usr/lib/apache or /usr/lib/apache2
07:55<stew>vC]Rajohan: depending on what you mean
07:55<Petrov>can i install debian? partition of 2GB
07:55<ranix>start-up is in /etc/init.d and configuration is /etc/apache or /etc/apache2
07:55<panagos>debtorrent would really be a good idea, in my opinion
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07:56<mixter>seanius: grub doesn't support lvm, md should be ok. i use grub on several machines with md raid-1
07:56<stew>Petrov: the minumum required is around 500MB
07:56<Petrov>only lamp, ssh, maybe vpn-server and not fluxbox, gnome, kde,...
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07:56<stew>Petrov: yes
07:56<mixter>seanius: i saw in the logs now that d-i chooses lilo instead since /boot is on lvm
07:56<Petrov>stew, oké, thx!
07:56<mixter>seanius: thanks!
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07:57<vC]Rajohan>stew i need to folder where i can put documents
07:57<gsimmons_>vC]Rajohan: That's the document root (DocumentRoot). Typically /var/www.
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08:02<chealer>stew: Debian doesn't have infrastructure to legally distribute software which is illegal to distribute in a specific country (e.g. non-us)
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08:03<stew>chealer: but even if it did, it wouldn't
08:04<ctatuk>Why is nonexistent?
08:04<ctatuk>Security updates aren't required to have changelog entries..?
08:04<azeem>ctatuk: packages.d.o is broken currently I think
08:04<chealer>stew: why?
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08:05<ctatuk>azeem: actually no, because the previous version hase a changelog
08:05<azeem>ctatuk: how does that proof it is not broken?
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08:05<chealer>ctatuk: #368939
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08:06[~]chealer bbl
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08:06<stew>chealer: becuase the software is protected by patent. it is completely different than the situation with non-us. with non-us, it was still legal for a person in the us to download and use the software, with lame it is not the case
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08:07<chealer>stew: right. it's the same thing, but in the other end.<
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08:08[~]chealer really has to go.
08:08<ctatuk>chealer: Well I just wanted to provide some type of peace of validity for my own sake to know that theses security updates I'm applying to my stable system are legitimate, other than just the fact that it's coming from synaptic.
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08:09<ctatuk>And just think it's interesting that the debian package page actually links to the security update version changelog, yet it's a 404.
08:09<chealer>ctatuk: it should be safe. we have "Secure APT" now.
08:09<azeem>ctatuk: you can inspect the changelog locally
08:09<ctatuk>Oh? never heard of that
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08:09<azeem>download the package, extract it to a temporary location, read the changelog
08:09<ctatuk>azeem: _after_ I apply the package upgrade, I assume?
08:10<azeem>also, there's apt-listchanges
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08:12<ctatuk>thanks for the info
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08:15<gmax>hi folks
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08:17<gmax>anyone know the difference between linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 and linux-image-2.6-686
08:18<gmax>i did an apt-get show on both but they seem the same
08:18<simon444>one has the vserver patch
08:18<AD2>I upgraded my kernel yesterday do to some issues with some modules... and today i'm getting this kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:522!, I'm on Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2)
08:18<gmax>is vserver to do with vmware ?
08:19<dpkg>Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed.
08:19<gmax>mmmm kewl
08:19<gmax>thanks for that
08:19<AD2>has anyone experienced the mm/rmap.c bug?
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08:43<eurisko>anyone using acpi4asus?
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08:46<samo_>hi, i have setup a postfix server and i would liketo be able to use it (using pop) from outside my network
08:46<samo_>i have installed sasl2
08:47<samo_>but i still get the relay denied message in the logs... can someone help me ?
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08:48<twb>Silly boy
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08:49<twb>samo_: postfix is an smtp server, not a pop server.
08:49<samo_>twb, my mistake, i want to use it using smtp from the outside of my network
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08:49<twb>pop servers will provide the virtual- ok.
08:50<twb>I don't know about that; I know there is a #postfix on freenode.
08:50<Metalqga>nice place to post your passwords :D
08:50<gsimmons_>samo_: You'd want to read /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin/README.Debian for information regarding saslauthd configuration for Postfix use.
08:51<samo_>gsimmons, thanks i will try that
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08:58<Metalqga`>i lost my internet connection once again
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09:02<ne>Hi all!, I am using Debian-etch. I adjusted the time,clock exactly same with other computers. But now almost 1 month passed debian box is 6 mins late. do you have an idea?
09:03<mjk>ne: Was the computer running all the time? 1 month?
09:03<ne>without shutdown, it is runing
09:03<mjk>ne: At least I know a remedy: ntp
09:03<twb>ne: install both ntpdate AND ntp-simple
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09:06<faderhval>greetings guys :) im trying to set up samba but when i try to connect with smbclient //hostname/user i get nt status bad network name any ideas what to do?
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09:07<ne>try with IP number
09:07<Metalqga`>actually smb://192.168.0.x
09:07<faderhval>firewall is open
09:08<faderhval>no such catalouge
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09:09<faderhval>same respons with ip.
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09:10<samo_>gsimmons, I read this document and I ve done what s described in it
09:10<samo_>gsimmons, still no luck
09:10<ne>faderhval : you did not forget to restart samba, did not you?
09:11<gsimmons_>samo_: You're still receiving "relay denied"? Any hints in /var/log/mail.log?
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09:13<samo_>gsimmons : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT ...... relay access denied
09:13<samo_>i have added the options sasl_auth_enable = yes in and restarted postfix
09:14<samo_>i aslo added : smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject
09:14<samo_>relayhost =
09:14<bact3ria>Alguem pode me dar uma ajuda em redirecionar conexão vpn para um servidor windows 2003?
09:14<samo_>relay_domains = $transport_maps
09:14<gsimmons_>samo_: Please pastebin your current /etc/postfix/ and the last 10 or so lines of your /var/log/mail.log.
09:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
09:15<faderhval>ne: nope i remembered
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09:22<gsimmons_>samo_: I don't see any SASL logins in your mail.log. Have you configured /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf and /etc/default/saslauthd? Is 'saslauthd' running?
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09:23<samo_>gsimmons, yes, it is running
09:24<samo_>gsimmons, when i first installed it, i had references to it in the logs (saying the authentification had failed) i fixed an error in saslauthd file (the query was wrong) and since, no reference to it anymore in the logs
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09:25<samo_>gsimmons, what should the mech_list be (i have passwords in mysql , they're crypted using md5)
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09:29<seanius>samo_: you probably need the mysql pam module
09:29<ranix>There was recently a retarded change to saslauthd's configuration script that added a variable that prevents it from running at all if set to "no"
09:29<ranix>It's like 3 I think, Start=Yes/No
09:29<samo_>seanius, yes, i found that out through the logs earlier and installed this module
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09:30<seanius>ah, sorry i missed that. are you using an imap server too btw?
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09:30<gsimmons_>samo_: The mech_list depends on what's supported by your MUA. I personally use 'plain' as the endpoints are already encrypted owing to TLS.
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09:31[~]seanius has plain and login in his
09:31<samo_>seanius, i haveinstalled squirrel mail and that works (send and receive)
09:31<ranix>Squirrelmail uses imap for receiving usually, and sendmail for transmission
09:31<ranix>so it might be irrelevant
09:32<samo_>gsimmons, i didn't set tls (yet) but the passwords are encrypted in the db (with the mysql password command)
09:32<seanius>samo_: but you're not using an imap daemon like courier or dovecot
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09:32<samo_>seanius, yes i set courier up too
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09:32<gsimmons_>samo_: But there's not even any SASL logins being attempted, let alone verified. I'd check your MUA. :)
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09:32<seanius>ah, okay. i was just thinking if you were using dovecot that it has a built in auth daemon that can replace saslauthd iirc
09:33<samo_>gsimmons, what's the mua ?
09:33<ranix>Mail User Agent, i.e. thunderbird or outlook
09:33<ranix>or squirrelmail
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09:34<ranix>I enjoy squirrelmail immensely, it's very amusing
09:34<gsimmons_>samo_: I think you just haven't turned on TLS/authentication in your MUA. You're receiving the 'relay denied' message as your message isn't permitted in any other of Postfix's SMTP client restrictions.
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09:35<ranix>You will receive a 'relay not permitted'-esque message if yor MUA is not attempting to authenticate properly
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09:35<ranix>You can find the root cause of the problem by performing a manual connection to your MTA with telnet, to port 25
09:35<samo_>gsimmons, thanks a lot, that was it ! :)
09:36<seanius>samo_: so again forgive my lack of scrollback... have you verified that saslauthd is authenticating properly?
09:36<gsimmons_>samo_: np
09:36<samo_>gsimmons, seanius, ranix thank you allfor your help
09:36<seanius>ah, nm
09:36<ranix>haha np
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09:36<ranix>gsimmons_ taught me how to use spec.txt once
09:36<samo_>i keep notes of everything i learn here, i hope someday i won't be a debian newb anymore :)
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09:37<samo_>gsimmons, one more questions, since you read my postfix configuration. My setup shouldn't be open relay, right ?
09:37<ranix>you can test whether or not it's an open relay by just telneting to it at port 25
09:38<ranix>connect and pretend you're a spammer, just send a message to and tell it you're
09:38<seanius>there are also open-relay testing services, which are generally a good thing to do as part of reviewing your config
09:38<gsimmons_>samo_: That depends on your contents of your $transport_maps. But try sending mail on behalf of "other" domains as suggested by ranix.
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09:39<samo_>thanks to you all again, i will do
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09:49<dpkg>it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (
09:49<ranix>Samba is much easier than it appears to be at first glance
09:50<faderhval>well i think its working but i got 2 problems... one for some reason i cant log on to my linux machine from my win and when trying from linux to win i get nt status bad network name
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09:52<ranix>faderhval: when connecting to the windows share from linux you use the format mount -t smbfs -o username=ranix,password=sneakers //windowsname/sharename /media/mountpoint
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09:53<faderhval>no didnt i had to i just use smbclient //winname/username
09:54<faderhval>didnt know*
09:54<ranix> //windowsname can be replaced with dotted quad notation such as //
09:54<ranix>I am unfamiliar with smbclient
09:54<vC]Rajohan>if php i installed where is it located?
09:54<ranix>it's probably an improper argument issue with smbclient, faderhval
09:55<stew>vC]Rajohan: "dpkg -L packagename" will show you where the files from the package are installed
09:55<ranix>vC]Rajohan: if php is installed it is probably located in /usr/bin
09:55<ranix>the executable, that is
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09:56<ranix>However, knowing that information is not very useful and I would wonder why you need to know. (also try whereis php)
09:56<vC]Rajohan>Package `php' is not installed.
09:56<ranix>php5 or php4
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09:56<ranix>if you forget a package name, try apt-cache search php for hints
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09:58<faderhval>ranix: if you have the time could you elaborate a bit im quite new to linux commandline in general
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09:58<vC]Rajohan>no dont seams like php is installed but i got apache and mysql
09:58<vC]Rajohan>is it hard to add php?
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09:59<ranix>faderhval: to figure out command line arguments to commands, try out "command --help" "command -h" and "man command"
09:59<vC]Rajohan>if i type
09:59<vC]Rajohan>php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)
09:59<vC]Rajohan>if i type apt-cache search php i get that and much more
10:00<vC]Rajohan>does that mean php is installed?
10:00<stew>vC]Rajohan: is there a reason you need php4 and not php5?
10:00<ranix>faderhval: to find the RIGHT command, either learn to read man pages (which isn't as easy as some people make it sound, it's just an aquired taste) or search google. Ask in here when you feel like it
10:00<vC]Rajohan>stew no but, its preinstalled
10:00<vC]Rajohan>should be
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10:00<stew>vC]Rajohan: are you running apache or apache2?
10:00<ranix>man smbfs is a good place to start to learn about samba, IIRC
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10:00<vC]Rajohan>apache i think
10:00<vC]Rajohan>folder name is apache
10:01<mjk>vC]Rajohan: No, it just searches the software repository. To find out if a package is installed, you can use "dpkg -l".
10:01<stew>vC]Rajohan: then install libapache-mod-php4 or libapache-mod-php5
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10:01<ranix>apt-cache search is only for finding what package names are, or finding related packages to a search string
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10:02<ranix>So for example if you have php installed and don't know what package name it is, apt-cache search php can give you a clue
10:02<stew>well if it is installed you could do "dpkg -l \*php\*"
10:02<vC]Rajohan>stew i just get see install --help with bthat
10:02<stew>vC]Rajohan: what command did you type?
10:02<vC]Rajohan>install libapache-mod-php5
10:03<stew>vC]Rajohan: you wan "aptitude install libapache-mod-php5"
10:03<ranix>try apt-get install php5
10:03<ranix>aptitude is lame
10:03<vC]Rajohan>but its seams like php 4 is installed.. if i type dpkg -l \*php\* i get a list of php4 things
10:03<stew>ranix: libapache-mod-php5 would install php5 and the libapache-mod-php5 which is what he needs in order to use it with apache, which is what he is asking
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10:03<stew>ranix: /msg dpkg why aptitude
10:03<mjk>vC]Rajohan: It depends on what's printed in the first column.
10:04<stew>mjk: second column, not first
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10:04<ranix>apt-get has been my friend since 2000
10:04<ranix>he will not be easily replaced
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10:04<mjk>stew: Err, first.
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10:04<mjk>stew: The second is the package name.
10:04<vC]Rajohan>thats what i getting with dpkg -l \*php\*
10:04<stew>mjk: i meant the second letter in the first column
10:04<mjk>stew: Aaah, okay.
10:05<stew>vC]Rajohan: you can "aptitude install libapache-mod-php4" if you really want 4, but it is recommended that you use 5 unless you have a reason not to. the fact that php4 is installed now doesn't really matter
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10:05<vC]Rajohan>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
10:05<vC]Rajohan>im getting that
10:06<ranix>I think we have reached a point where we must ask why you need to know where php is
10:06<ranix>your request may be misguided
10:06<stew>vC]Rajohan: so it is in fact already installed
10:06<stew>vC]Rajohan: are you having trouble using it?
10:07<vC]Rajohan>yes when i upload a php file my browser just ask if i will download
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10:07<vC]Rajohan> <-- thats what im getting with dpkg -l \*php\*
10:07<seanius>vC]Rajohan: it could be that php is installed but not configured
10:07<ranix>you have an apache configuration problem
10:08<vC]Rajohan>hmm how can i fix that
10:08<seanius>vC]Rajohan : a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
10:08<seanius>though this should have been done already
10:08<ranix>You are using apache2, yes? not apache?
10:09<stew>vC]Rajohan: run "apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4"
10:09<stew>no, he's using apache
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10:09<ranix>vC]Rajohan do an ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
10:09<vC]Rajohan>^[[AReplacing config file /etc/apache/modules.conf with new version
10:10<ranix>nevermind, ignore me
10:10[~]seanius should have read the pastebin output apparently
10:10<ranix>you definitely have apache, not apache2
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10:10<dpkg>methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
10:10<ranix>Do you have a reason for using apache rather than apache2?
10:10<vC]Rajohan>as i said its preinstalled on the dedictewd server when i buy it
10:11<ranix>I would just do an apt-get install apache2
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10:11<ranix>and watch it magically solve your problem
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10:11<vC]Rajohan>will i have to install mysql and php again then?
10:11<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:12<arap>Dea aqoim.
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10:12<vC]Rajohan>ranix will i have to install php and mysql again then?
10:13<ranix>mysql no, php maybe but it's a simple thing
10:13<dpkg>[english] a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!!
10:13<dpkg>hmm... turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin
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10:13<ranix>apt-get install apache2 apache2-mod-php5
10:13<ranix>should take care of it
10:14<dpkg>rumour has it, jewish is the religion of jews
10:14<stew>!+info apache2-mod-php5
10:14<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
10:14<dpkg>Package 'apache2-mod-php5' does not exist.
10:14<stew>simon444: please /msg the bot
10:14<ranix>I'm sorry
10:14<ranix>apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
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10:14<rm>Hello, my question is about CUPS. I' have Debian 4.0 installed. With what user-priviliegies does CUPS exceute a backend script?
10:15<vC]Rajohan>ranix Package libapache2-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
10:15<ranix>apt-get update
10:15<simon444>dpkg, No, Jewish is amongst Yiddish speaking people English for Yiddish.
10:15<dpkg>simon444: okay
10:15<simon444>stew, okay sorry
10:16<stew>!forget jewish
10:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, jewish is English for Yiddish
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10:17<simon444>stew, I don't think !forgot works
10:17<stew>simon444: stop playing with the bot
10:17<fxiny>is simon444 in ?
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10:18<Metalqga>here is what i've found
10:18<rm>Hey I have a question, about CUPS, where to ask??
10:18<Metalqga>ask here
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10:19<rm>With what user-priviliegies does CUPS exceute a backend script?
10:19<rm>Debian 4.0
10:19<rm>My Problem is about that CUPS exceute a backend script, but seem not to have enough priviliges.
10:20<vC]Rajohan>hwo to i restart apache2?
10:20<Sh3ytaN>add Msn (h)
10:20<ranix>rm: IIRC cups has its own user
10:20<stew>vC]Rajohan: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ; although usually "reload" or "force-reload" are only needed, not "restart"
10:21<simon444>lol tickets to America are more expensive on 9/11
10:21<rm>ranix: So, if I want CUPS running a script with root-priviliges, user cups must be in group root?
10:21<simon444>whoops wrong channel
10:21<ranix>rm: wouldn't be able to tell you more, I use lpd because cups eats ass regularly
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10:21<simon444>Sh3ytaN is a spam bot?
10:21<rm>ranix: that's my problem also
10:21<ranix>cups user having group root is probably a bad idea
10:22<stew>Sh3ytaN: do you ahve a debian related question?
10:22<mjk>A stoned spam bot maybe?
10:22<ranix>try chowning the script in question to root:cups, and use the setUID bit
10:22<Sh3ytaN>Fuck :D
10:22<rm>ranix: yes but else, the script (backend) does not work properly
10:22<Metalqga>stew I have a question
10:22<Sh3ytaN>heLp me
10:22<Sh3ytaN>dd0s exe.
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10:22<rm>ranix: sorry, how to do that?
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10:22<Metalqga>i lose my internet connection and dont know why......
10:22<ranix>rm: google linux permissions
10:22<stew>Sh3ytaN: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. in the future, please keep it on-topic
10:22<dpkg>somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (
10:23<ranix>you're looking for SetUID and SetGID
10:23<fxiny>fresh air
10:23<rm>ranix: ok
10:23<stew>simon444: do you have any debian related questions?
10:23<ranix>setuid on an executable script runs the script as if the invoker were the owner
10:23<mjk>stew: Um, I think that's a bot.
10:23<stew>mjk: what?
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10:23<ranix>it is less insecure than giving the actual user root permission
10:24<ranix>However, saying it is more secure might be a stretch
10:24<mjk>stew: I'd say Sh3ytaN/Kruis is a bot. (Or someone so stoned he acts like one)
10:24<simon444>stew, no, I have a debian related answers. Didn't you ask this yesterday and I answer this yesterday?
10:24<rm>ranix: aha, thanks
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10:24<Metalqga>kick him
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10:25<stew>simon444: yes, but you seem to be mostly off-topic, and annoying people (which is why people keep asking you this). Furthermore you are abusing the bot. please keep it on-topic
10:25<simon444>loL, not funny
10:25<Metalqga>changes his nick so often
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10:25<stew>err, crap
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10:26<fxiny>seems a painkiler game
10:26<weebl^>i'm hungry
10:26<fxiny>another one ?
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10:26<mjk>weebl^: Don't mention hunger, now I'm hungry, too.
10:26<Metalqga>i lose my internet connection and dont know why...... does anybody wants fo find out why>?
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10:27<weebl^>mjk you like bagels?
10:27<Metalqga>i'm baking pizza, mjk :D
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10:27<mjk>weebl^: Don't know what that is. Let me google ...
10:28<weebl^>google image bagel
10:28<mjk>weebl^: Hmm ... interesting, but I think I'll make me a few slices of Real Bread(tm). :-)
10:28[~]fxiny sends a very little nutella jar to mjk
10:29<weebl^>i'd like some smoked salmon
10:29[~]mjk hands over a few slices of to weebl^ and fxiny.
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10:29<weebl^>mjk you know that much fiber isn't healthy
10:29<Metalqga>keep the topic :D
10:30<mjk>weebl^: Why's that? It tastes good, it can't be unhealthy. ;-)
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10:30<mjk>weebl^: And as long they're indigestible, I don't gain weight that much. :-P
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10:35[~]fxiny deletes digg from icewilly bookmarks . microzomp's on the way
10:37[~]simon444 deletes digg from the internet
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10:42<vC]Rajohan>is there any good control panels like cpanel that is free?
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10:46<simon444>vC]Rajohan, yes, CLI.
10:47<simon444>vC]Rajohan, also I wouldn't call cpanel good, but you are free to have your opinion
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10:48<petemc>vC]Rajohan: wikipedia has a list of hosting control panels
10:49<@stew>vC]Rajohan: vhcs is probably one of the better free ones, but i have little experience with it myself. not many people around here use them
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10:50<vC]Rajohan>is this things hard to install?
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10:51<stew>vC]Rajohan: since there are none officially packaged, installation is not likely to be straightforward
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10:52<vC]Rajohan>ok i will have to use the dutch one i got with the server then
10:53<vC]Rajohan>Someone know what this means: Es ist keine Domain angegeben worden. and what this means: Fehler bei FTP-Zugang. User-Name wird bereits in passwd verwendet. ?
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10:56<SixF9>what is the problem when device nodes are missing on the system?
10:56<stew>SixF9: you mean files in /dev? are you using udev?
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10:57<stew>SixF9: what exactly is missing?
10:57<SixF9>eth0 and the lot
10:58<stew>SixF9: eth0 wouldn't show up in /dev
10:58<SixF9>so the driver cant be loaded
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10:58<pumpkin0>SixF9: eth0 is not a /dev-thing
10:58<stew>SixF9: what makes you say the driver can't be loaded? are you trying to load it? with which command?
10:59<SixF9>on boot, i get "no such device" when it tries to prepare the network
11:00<vC]Rajohan>is there any ftp clints thats easy to set up and witch i can add users to
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11:00<JasonS>vC]Rajohan: all of them
11:00<vC]Rajohan>name one plz i have no names
11:00<JasonS>well some more easy then others no doubt
11:01<petemc>gftp , ncftp
11:01<stew>SixF9: what network card do you have?
11:01<stew>SixF9: does it show up in "ifconfig -a"? perhaps the name changed? which device(s) do you have configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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11:01<stew>vC]Rajohan: you want to add a user to a ftp *client*? or an ftp server?
11:02<pumpkin0>vC]Rajohan: client or server ? You don't add users to clients...
11:02<vC]Rajohan>i meant server not client. i need to get up an ftp server on my dedicated server so i can upload files to my www directory
11:02<stew>vC]Rajohan: is there a reason you would use ftp instead of scp/sftp?
11:02<vC]Rajohan>dont know what scp or sftp is
11:03<vC]Rajohan>but i think it would be easier for me with an ftp server
11:03<pumpkin0>vC]Rajohan: ftp = everything in clear (including passwords), sXYZ = everything encrypted via ssh/ssl.
11:03<stew>vC]Rajohan: they are secure methods of transferring files. ftp is insecure in that your password (and everything else) goes over then network the network unencrypted
11:04<stew>vC]Rajohan: if can ssh to the box, you can already scp/sftp to the box
11:04<vC]Rajohan>yes but, i dont understand the command
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11:05<stew>vC]Rajohan: scp works just like cp but will take a hostname, so "scp some/local/file remotemachine:/path/to/destination" will copy a file to remotemachine
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11:05<stew>vC]Rajohan: and sftp works just like ftp
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11:07<vC]Rajohan>can i upload files from my pc to that then?
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11:08<pumpkin0>vC]Rajohan: up and down, encrypted, w/o installing any software.
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11:16<jeaneid>has anyone been able to get two ati sapphire cards working on a single driver. I have two dual heads that I am trying to get working, one of which only works. Th4e motherboard is a tyan tempest s5380. I am trying to have a triple head machine, but only two heads are working(only one card works)
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11:18<simon444>did you try google
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11:18<lontra>is there a way to tell kpowersave to suspend when i close my laptop lid?
11:18<dpkg>from memory, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
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11:19<simon444>lontra, yes. Can't remember how.
11:19[~]lontra searches simon444's memory
11:19<stew>jeaneid: which chipset does that card have?
11:20<faderhval>right... i've finally managed to setup samba and the server shows on my windows machine but... i cant add a user with smbpasswd -a username
11:20<simon444>lontra, Google doesn't have that feature yet
11:21<fxiny>lontra: there is a thread on . i havn't read it
11:22<dpkg>methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (
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11:25<donfede>has anyone had problems (or success) installing etch to a mirrored raid? (we experienced last night, the raid being created with /dev/sda [instead of the partition /dev/sda2] )
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11:27<Archimed>hi, i need to install nGEAR 5 PORT USB 2 card on Debian Etch
11:27<Archimed>can anyone help?
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11:29<simon444>too many questions; segfualt
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11:33<pumpkin0>jeaneid: which dirver do you use ? or apt-get install xorg....radeon ?
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11:42<vC]Rajohan>stew is it like this sftp dir/on/my/win/computer dir/on/dedictated/server ?
11:42<zarchne>When I see an error like "read: 130: Illegal option -d" when doing "aptitude upgrade", which is presumably related to taking the /bin/sh -> dash option, against what should I be filing the bug?
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11:46<stew>vC]Rajohan: no, if you want run it like that you would use: scp -r /dir/on/your/computer servername:/dir/on/server
11:47<vC]Rajohan>servername is my username?
11:47<simon444>hi umbriel
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11:47<stew>vC]Rajohan: servername is the name or ip of the server
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11:48<umbriel>TROUBLESHOOTING TIP: If you have Linux installed on an old Notebook (like i have) and you have soundcard problems, try this...
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11:50<vC]Rajohan>stew will that copy from my pc to the server og will it download from the server to my pc
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11:50<simon444>umbriel, what?
11:50<stew>vC]Rajohan: from pc to server, its "scp fromfiles tolocation"
11:51<vC]Rajohan>so this will work: scp -r C:\Users\Raymond\Desktop\req-banner.jpg
11:52<fxiny>umbriel: try this what ? a salvation army trumpet ?
11:52<vC]Rajohan> is the same as the servers ip adress
11:52<stew>vC]Rajohan: i'm not sure about the C:\ part, i don't know much about windows
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11:53<sobersabre>I have a question. There's a debian server. it is IBM machine called "NetVista".
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11:54<fxiny>bad omen
11:54<sobersabre>when working interactively, the machine stalls for moment upto several minutes to do any operation. even such that doesn't require gethostbyname()/gethostbyaddress()
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11:55<sobersabre>the DNS works correctly, I've measured it with dig.
11:55<simon444>fxiny, and someone who has a similar name to fucker joins. You must be onto something.
11:55<sobersabre>there seems to be some wierd hardware problem, but I cannot find any direction.
11:55<vC]Rajohan>stew when i type it nothing happens im just getting an blank line and cant do anything now and have to relogin to server
11:55<stew>sobersabre: run "vmstat 1" in another shell, then go about your business, and then show us the output of vmstat from when the machine was freezing
11:56<sobersabre>I have tried to look for ACPI/APM, temperature stuff. NADA. ZIP.
11:56<sobersabre>stew: gimme a minute.
11:56<sobersabre>the load average generally is low.
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11:57<stew>vC]Rajohan: exactly what did you type?
11:57<vC]Rajohan>scp -r C:\Users\Raymond\Desktop\req-banner.jpg
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11:58<sobersabre>stew: currently the "vmstat" program is stuck, it showed the regular 0 args output, and the cursor is stuck at the start of the next line
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11:58<fxiny>simon444: i'm wearing a dried as a bone rm.williams blowing a virtual didgeridoo at passers by
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11:59<sobersabre>stew: what does vmstat 1 do ? poll on vmstat ?
11:59<simon444>Duke, yes?
11:59<fxiny>simon444: or do you prefere an oil skin ?
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12:00<simon444>fxiny, whatever
12:00<sobersabre>hi, abraxas
12:00<simon444>hello Israeli
12:00<stew>fixxxer: simon444: take it elsewhere
12:00<abraxas>palestinian sobersabre
12:00<abraxas>someone can tell me how to fix it?
12:01<sobersabre>abraxas: is this the only thing u want to say in herre ?
12:01<fxiny>stew: fixxer ? heeheh i like yor style :)
12:01<stew>sobersabre: vmstat polls /proc/stat ; "vmstat 1" tells it to poll once a second
12:01<abraxas>sobersabre, u called me israeli, I told im not israeli
12:01<abraxas> jew,but antizionist
12:02<stew>abraxas: sr0 should be a cdrom drive
12:02<abraxas>stew, but my cdrom works ok
12:02<sobersabre>abraxas: I told you "hi, abraxas".
12:03<abraxas>sobersabre, sorry so,it was for simon :-)
12:03<stew>just forget it and move on
12:03<stew>abraxas: is there a cd in the drive when you boot?
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12:03<abraxas>stew, i dont need to worry then?
12:03<sobersabre>if you are connected to, you are israeli arab, if you live in palestinian authonomy, you are palestinian. unless you're a guest at some israeli family. "israel" is only a country, afaik.
12:03<stew>abraxas: i don't know
12:03<abraxas>stew, yes
12:03<abraxas>a porn dvd :-)
12:04<stew>sobersabre: please take it elsewhere
12:04<sobersabre>stew: ok.
12:04<sobersabre>no probz
12:04<stew>abraxas: do you get the messages when the dvd is not in the drive?
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12:04<sobersabre>anyways, is sr0 or eth2 what you want to solve ?
12:04<abraxas>stew, i didnt try,but u r right because before I didnt got the error
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12:04<sobersabre>is this an internal DVD ?
12:04<abraxas>sobersabre, the eth2 its solved...despite i cant connect to none router but its detected
12:05<abraxas>sobersabre, yes
12:05<sobersabre>have you connected it yourself ?
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12:05<stew>abraxas: well i'd guess that it was something having trouble automounting the dvd
12:05<abraxas>no...its a lapto
12:05<abraxas>well listen,ill reboot without the dvd and ill tell u,its easier
12:06<sobersabre>is it possible this is a removable internal drive ?
12:06<sobersabre>e.g. IBM and DELL laptops have such thing.
12:06<abraxas>ill dont waste ur time...ill reboot and try
12:06<abraxas>yes,its ibm
12:06<stew>abraxas: you could also try to eject and reinstert the dvd and see if the same errors show up in dmesg again
12:06<abraxas>ah,ok stew
12:06<sobersabre>well, make sure the drive is connected ( not the optical disk ).
12:07<sobersabre>which Lenovo model is this ?
12:07<sobersabre>thinkpad ?
12:07<abraxas>stew, yes,its continue
12:07<abraxas>sobersabre, lenovo 3000 c200
12:07<sobersabre>look on the right hand to the DVD slot.
12:08<sobersabre>there should be a switch you can move left/right ( depends where you're looking from :) )
12:08<sobersabre>maybe you've taken it out on travel accidentally.
12:08<abraxas>i need to open it?
12:08<sobersabre>when you move the switch a handle comes out.
12:08<sobersabre>you pull it, the drive gets out.
12:09<sobersabre>abraxas: to open WHAT ?
12:09<abraxas>ah yes
12:09<abraxas>u mean open the cdrom,no?
12:09<sobersabre>have you moved the switch ?
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12:09<abraxas>i dont find it...the only switch here is of the wireless and its not close to the dvd
12:09<sobersabre>do you have this switch ?
12:10<sobersabre>then maybe you don't have it.
12:10<sobersabre>how old is the laptop ?
12:10<stew>i don't see what this would have to do with a switch
12:10<abraxas>4 months
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12:10<stew>the dvd drive is reading stuff off teh dvd
12:10<abraxas>I didnt get the error before
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12:10<abraxas>sobersabre, i need to open the cdrom to find the swithc>?
12:10<stew>abraxas: does the same thing happen with a different dvd/cd inserted into the drive?
12:10<sobersabre>abraxas: no.
12:11<ranix>lol wut
12:11<abraxas>stew, now I took the dvd out and it continues happening
12:11<abraxas>sobersabre, so no,I dont have the switch
12:11<ranix>hardware problem, it exists between the keyboard and chair
12:11<sobersabre>stew: sometimes my ejectable dvdwriter did similar errors.
12:11<ranix>nothing to see here, move along
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12:11<sobersabre>after you eject it, it stops.
12:11<sobersabre>probably some bad contact related.
12:11<donfede> appears to be down... any word on what's up?
12:11<abraxas>maybe I need to restart?
12:11<sobersabre>stew: but it's an IBM T43
12:12<ranix>rebooting always fixes hardware problems
12:12<abraxas>ranix, i mean cause I took the dvd out...maybe it needs to read the new our friend win$%#%^
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12:16<abraxas>something else
12:16<abraxas>u know what means "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
12:16<abraxas>kbuildsycoca running.."?
12:16<sobersabre>stew: by your request:
12:16<abraxas>I tought it was only a line
12:16<sobersabre>stew: I simply have NO clue.
12:17<sobersabre>the most annoying is the fact that top doesn't get to display.
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12:17<stew>sobersabre: yeah, so that shows not much at all going on
12:18<sobersabre>stew: the thing is I can setup a cron job do display whatever you want. the feeling is like something in the IO or buffer cache lags
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12:18<sobersabre>and thus all the interactivity sux
12:18<donfede>can anyone get anything out of ?!?!
12:19<stew>donfede: no, it is down
12:19<kmf_58>hi/ do linksys hardware zork on llinuxMMMMM =-[
12:19<donfede>stew: I'm trying to get the source (from experimental) of jabberd2 ... is there another way I can get that without using (or any idea when it may be up)?
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12:20<vC]Rajohan>how can i do this ./hlds_run -game cstrike -autoupdate +maxplayers 20 +map de_dust2 -port 27015 so it runs even when i quit the putty window?
12:21<kmf_58>oki later.....
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12:21<stew>donfede: download it directly from
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12:22<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way for me to change over from using icewm to the gnome-based desktop that these days seems to be the standard for Debian?
12:22<stew>vC]Rajohan: use screen
12:22<vC]Rajohan>screen ./hlds_run -game cstrike -autoupdate +maxplayers 20 +map de_dust2 -port 27015 ?
12:22<JasonS>vC]Rajohan: man screen
12:22<stew>vC]Rajohan: find a tutorian on screen
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12:23<JasonS>stew: a moment of silence if you will, i have 10 gallons of infected ESB in carboys at home :(
12:23<simon444>EmleyMoor, yes
12:24<fxiny>esb ?
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12:24<simon444>EmleyMoor, install gdm/kdm/etc
12:24<stew>JasonS: we had cashflow problems and my pump/thermostats are on hold
12:24<donfede>stew: thank you kindly, that's allowed me to continue :) (i'm trying to backport that package into etch)
12:24<EmleyMoor>simon444: Install gdm? Anything beyond that apart from removing personal references to icewm?
12:25<sobersabre>guys is there any usefull ms exchange replacement ?
12:25<sobersabre>preferrably no money.
12:25<EmleyMoor>I presumably need to default to gdm or remove xdm...
12:25<donfede>sobersabre: zimbra
12:25<simon444>EmleyMoor, set up gnome as default if you don't want to install gdm
12:25<sobersabre>ok. does it also connect with outlook, calendars etc. ?
12:25<EmleyMoor>Happy to install gdm
12:25<simon444>EmleyMoor, or just start gnome from CLI
12:25<sobersabre>I meant you.
12:26<donfede>sobersabre: it should it's very featureful and nice.
12:26<donfede>sobersabre: there is a free version ... and for a rather low cost a fuller version
12:26<sobersabre>I'll read on it.
12:26<donfede>sobersabre: it should be worth your time
12:27<donfede>sobersabre: i've not worked on that project directly, but we are working on deploying that at our facility , and i've spoken with other admins that had only glowing things to say of it (they went ahead and payed for licences ... even the price was pretty fair they said)
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12:29<EmleyMoor>I will see what happens next
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12:31<Metalqga>we hope you live to tell the tell
12:31[~]fxiny touches wood
12:33<Metalqga>we say knock on wood
12:34<faderhval>evening again...i have a problem with samba i cant connect to min windows machine from linux i get an nt_status_bad_network_name i've been googling for hours with no luck to comming closer to the solution anyone have an idea?
12:34<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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12:34<vC]Rajohan>where can i find ?
12:34<vC]Rajohan>to mysql
12:34<simon444>!bot abuse
12:34<dpkg>Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested.
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12:35<Metalqga>simon444 are you bored?
12:35<Metalqga>hey emleymoor you are back, how was it?
12:35<EmleyMoor>OK - I'm now in what I hoped to see, but have lost some of my "at login" stuff
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12:35<simon444>Metalqga, not that was in reference to faderhval's !paste
12:36<Metalqga>you are the abuser here
12:36<stew>vC]Rajohan: for what application?
12:36<Metalqga>he wanted some info
12:36<vC]Rajohan>stew mysql
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12:37<stew>vC]Rajohan: mysql doesn't have a, or anything to do with php
12:37<stew>vC]Rajohan: what application are you trying to configure
12:37<EmleyMoor>I'm used to having gbuffy running and also entering my ssh passphrase when I start a session - what's the right way to arrange these in gnome?
12:37<vC]Rajohan>im getting #1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) and its says that i should check
12:37<stew>vC]Rajohan: what application is giving you that error?
12:38<stew>vC]Rajohan: then it probably is in /etc/phpmyadmin
12:38<vC]Rajohan>cant find it there
12:39<stew>vC]Rajohan: read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian
12:39<vC]Rajohan>cant open that file :S
12:39<stew>vC]Rajohan: is there a README.Debian.gz instead?
12:40<EmleyMoor>What is the equivalent of .xsession for gnome?
12:40<stew>!find phpmyadmin/ stable
12:40<vC]Rajohan>there is no folder named phpmyadmin
12:40<dpkg>Debian Search of 'phpmyadmin/' (1): (/usr/share/phpmyadmin/, /usr/share/ucf/phpmyadmin/etc/phpmyadmin/ in web/phpmyadmin.
12:40<stew>vC]Rajohan: then you didn't install phpmyadmin from the debian package
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12:41<stew>vC]Rajohan: how did you install phpmyadmin?
12:41<vC]Rajohan>it was preinstalled
12:41<stew>vC]Rajohan: then ask the system administrator
12:41<vC]Rajohan>have done they just say its a dedictedted server not a managed server
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12:43<EmleyMoor>How do I do what I used to do with .xsession now I'm using gnome2?
12:43<simon444>!tell Metalqga about bot abuse
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12:44<vC]Rajohan>stew is there anyway i can search in whole system to get all on the harddrive
12:44<stew>vC]Rajohan: man locate ; man find
12:44<stew>vC]Rajohan: i'd suggest using the debian packages for phpmyadmin as it is so frequently having security issues
12:45<vC]Rajohan>apt-get phpmyadmin*?
12:45<stew>vC]Rajohan: you would have to first uninstall the version you already have installed
12:46<faderhval>vC]Rajohan: be carefull with that one of the phpmyadmin packages inc. apache and php install...
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12:46<vC]Rajohan>i dont find the one i have :S
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12:49<vC]Rajohan>there is something wierd here since i installed apache 2 and php 5 and the server uses apache and php4
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12:50<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to run ssh-agent and ssh-add as part of a gnome session or is there a better way to manage ssh in gnome than that?
12:50<simon444>vC]Rajohan, restart the servers
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12:50[~]EmleyMoor has gbuffy working :-)
12:51<stew>EmleyMoor: ssh-agent should be run automatically from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent ; you should be able to run ssh-add at any time during your x session and have other things pick it up
12:52<vC]Rajohan>simon444 dident help
12:52<stew>vC]Rajohan: which do you want to be running? apache or apache2? or both on different ips/ports?
12:52<simon444>vC]Rajohan, apt-get remove apache
12:52<stew>vC]Rajohan: aptitude remove apache; then edit /etc/default/apache2 and make sure its not disabled in that file, then restart apache2 with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
12:52<simon444>vC]Rajohan, /etc/init.d/apache stop
12:53<simon444>vC]Rajohan, /etc/init.d/httpd start
12:53<stew>simon444: what is /etc/init.d/httpd ?
12:53<simon444>stew, apache2
12:53<stew>simon444: not in debian
12:53<simon444>yes in debian
12:53<simon444>let me check
12:54<vC]Rajohan>* Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0.
12:54<vC]Rajohan>its apache2 btw
12:54<stew>vC]Rajohan: right, thats why i was telling you to edit /etc/default/apache2 above
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12:54<simon444>okay you win
12:55<malocite>has anyone here been able to install the ati drivers?
12:55<simon444>use to managing to many system where it is httpd
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12:55<N`Kr1pt>Hi, is there a tool wich can read all files in a specific directory and search for a string?
12:55<vC]Rajohan>seams like it works
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12:55<vC]Rajohan>but, i have a index file in www why isent that showing?
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12:56<stew>N`Kr1pt: fgrep -r string /path/to/directory
12:56<N`Kr1pt>thx stew
12:56<stew>N`Kr1pt: that will search recursively, if you don't want recursive, then "fgrep string /path/to/directory/*"
12:57<EmleyMoor>I used to manage my ssh-agent/key in X by having eval `ssh-agent` and ssh-add in .xsession. I have changed over to the GNOME2 desktop and am wondering how to do similar there
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12:57<N`Kr1pt>yep I saw it in man
12:57<N`Kr1pt>but recursively is what I eed
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12:58<vC]Rajohan>why does it go to this folder: /apache2-default/?
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12:59<stew>vC]Rajohan: becuase /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default redirects it there
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13:00<vC]Rajohan>so should i delete that file?
13:01<stew>vC]Rajohan: either edit it to suit your needs. or create your own in /etc/apache2/sites-available ; then "a2dissite default ; a2ensite yoursite" in order to disable the default and enable yours
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13:01<vC]Rajohan>i just commented out that line
13:01<vC]Rajohan>but, mysql is still not avilable
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13:02<vC]Rajohan>can i do apt-get uninstall mysql and apt-get unistall phpadmin to?
13:02<stew>vC]Rajohan: you cant uninstall phpmyadmin with apt-get becuase it wasn't installed from a debian package
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13:03<vC]Rajohan>. /usr/bin/mysqladmin <-- seams like thats the directory
13:03<vC]Rajohan>but that foulder dose not exist :S
13:04<vC]Rajohan>ahh its a file
13:04<vC]Rajohan>i found the file mysqladmin but, how can i unistall so i can reinstall it?
13:04<stew>vC]Rajohan: mysqladmin is a command line tool for doing things like creating and dropping databases, don't delete that
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13:05<vC]Rajohan>so how can i unistall then :S
13:06<stew>vC]Rajohan: how was it installed?
13:06<vC]Rajohan>i dont know for me it seams like its not now
13:06<vC]Rajohan>i cant find anything phpmyadmin
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13:07<stew>vC]Rajohan: do you get an error about when you go to /phpmyadmin in the browser still?
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13:07<raymond>N`Kr1pt: find -type f -exec grep -l "search string" {} \;
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13:07<vC]Rajohan>The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server.
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13:07<malocite>everytime I try to install the ati drivers my xwindows wont restart, n e one have problems with these?
13:08<vC]Rajohan>thats what im getting now stew
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13:08<vC]Rajohan>but if i go here: <-- im getting that error
13:08<EmleyMoor>Is there a way of managing "ask for ssh passphrase once per session" in the GNOME2 desktop?
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13:09<EmleyMoor>(at most once per session, if at all, would do)
13:09<stew>EmleyMoor: run "ssh-add"
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13:09<pipegeek>Hmm. So, I'm running etch, and I'm trying to build the pidgin package from sid. Unfortunately, bizarrely, the build succeeds, but debuild fails at dh_install because it can't find purple-remote (which build successfully, but seems not to have been copied into the package tree for some reason). No build errors, everything worked just fine up to that point, and debs for pidgin-data and pidgin-dev are successfully produced. the command I'm running i
13:09<EmleyMoor>stew: I am on about the right way to run ssh-agent/ssh-add under this desktop
13:09<pipegeek>s debuild -d -uc -us. What Am I missing?
13:10<Ming_>hey, how do you see who is logged into a server?
13:10<Ming_>like list all the active users?
13:10<stew>EmleyMoor: ssh-agent should be run for you in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent ; you can run ssh-add from .xsession if you want
13:11<vC]Rajohan>stew what will happend if i reinstall mysql without deleting it?
13:11<stew>vC]Rajohan: probably nothing
13:11<stew>vC]Rajohan: why do you want to reinstall mysql?
13:11<malocite>does ubuntu use or xfree86?
13:11<vC]Rajohan>i meant phpmyadmin
13:11<stew>malocite: ask #ubuntu on
13:11<vC]Rajohan>MySQL support Unavailable
13:11<EmleyMoor>stew: GNOME2 desktop does not seem to support .xsession
13:11<malocite>i'm in the wrong room
13:12<stew>EmleyMoor: oh, i don't know then
13:12<stew>vC]Rajohan: install php5-mysql
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13:13<EmleyMoor>I think I may know now :-)
13:13<vC]Rajohan>stew done. what now?
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13:13<stew>vC]Rajohan: that should have fixed the "MySQL support Unavailable" error
13:13<stew>vC]Rajohan: (you might have to restart apache2)
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13:14<vC]Rajohan>yes it fixed that error
13:14<Metalqga>can we remove the word ubuntu from the topic?
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13:14<stew>Metalqga: why?
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13:15<vC]Rajohan>now i just need phpmyadmin to work
13:15<Metalqga>It's better to say what we are than what we aren't
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13:16<EmleyMoor>Because ssh-agent is already running, it's a simple matter of adding ssh-add to my list of startup programs :-)
13:16<vC]Rajohan>so stew if i just do apt-get install phpmyadmin now will that make anything now work?
13:16<vC]Rajohan>the old one seams to not use /phpmyadmin/ as url
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13:16<stew>vC]Rajohan: i don't know, install it and read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian
13:16<stew>vC]Rajohan: i recommend removing the old one first if it is still installed
13:17<vC]Rajohan>i cant find it so i gonna just install
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13:20<MicZe>Is it possible to get help with beginner linux questions in here?
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13:21<EmleyMoor>Is it possible for two users to have locked desktops on the same X display?
13:21<simon444>my computer is going very slow
13:21<simon444>another memory leak from firefox by browsing too many encyclopedia pages
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13:22<ranix>simon444: iceweasel
13:22<dpkg>i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU ( although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
13:22<dli>simon444, try: free -m; top
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13:22<EmleyMoor>Don't fire foxes, ice weasels instead <g>
13:22<MicZe>If i am not to bothersome i would like to know how i get the console in colors as i have seen some people have (I only have console not any greafical userinterface)
13:22<veronicaa>como te llama
13:22<dpkg>de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
13:22<simon444>dli, I am not currently on a debian box
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13:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:23[~]ranix was kidding
13:23<simon444>!why iceweasel
13:23<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See for more information.
13:23<Maulkin>simon444: for information for yourself, please /msg the bot
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13:23<veronicaa>eres feo
13:24<Maulkin>veronicaa: Por favor usen #debian-es
13:24<MicZe>Is there any humans in here?
13:24<ranix>I was born human. Sadly, the internet has turned me into a monster
13:24<MicZe>i see
13:24<Maulkin>MicZe: no. We're all bots.
13:25<Maulkin>MicZe: What sort of colours?
13:25<Maulkin>MicZe: give me an example :)
13:25<stew>MicZe: you can put alias ls="ls --colors=auto" in your .bashrc
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13:25<MicZe>Well for example when listong folders and files they have different colors
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13:26<Maulkin>MicZe: you can achieve that with stew's advice above
13:26<stew>MicZe: err, that should be --color=auto not --colors=auto
13:26<MicZe>Hehe i will try. but i dont even know where that file is located
13:26<Maulkin>MicZe: In your home directory :)
13:27<MicZe>how do i login to mu useraccount i am currently in root
13:27<MicZe>i just wrote login and that was enogh
13:28<MicZe>What is the text editor in linux called
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13:28<MicZe>vi? or is there something better?
13:29<berat>dpkg --purge *.deb is it right command ?
13:29<dpkg>berat: I think you lost me on that one
13:29<Maulkin>there's a few...
13:29<EmleyMoor>nvi, vim, elvis...
13:29<Maulkin>nano, emacs, ed...
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13:29<EmleyMoor>There's other kinds of editor too
13:29<fxiny>hmmm : emacs jed
13:29<pipegeek>Hmm. So, I'm running etch, and I'm trying to build the pidgin package from sid. Unfortunately, bizarrely, the build succeeds, but debuild fails at dh_install because it can't find purple-remote (which build successfully, but seems not to have been copied into the package tree for some reason). No build errors, everything worked just fine up to that point, and debs for pidgin-data and pidgin-dev are successfully produced. the command I'm running i
13:29<pipegeek>s debuild -d -uc -us. What Am I missing?
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13:29<Maulkin>!start an editor war
13:29<dpkg>xemacs doesn't deserve to be in debian
13:29<MicZe>oh many ^^
13:29<MicZe>well emacs i heard about on an old computer book
13:29<MicZe>i guess i test that
13:30<Metalqga>actually vi is enough for me
13:30<fxiny>who gave dpkg crack ?
13:30<blade>iv mounted an ntfs partition using sudo, but cant access it as a normal user
13:30<blade>please help...
13:30<Metalqga>ntfs :( (fingers down)
13:30<MicZe>Vim - vi Improved Help poor children in Uganda! .. ok suggestion noted
13:30<blade>iv mounted it ro
13:30<berat>akdpkg --purge is it true usage
13:30<blade>shud work
13:31<blade>and it works in ubuntu
13:31<blade>it says Permission Denied
13:31<fxiny>but qemacs loads fast anything
13:31<EmleyMoor>blade: What permissions are on the mount point?
13:31<berat>someone answer me !!!
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13:32<Maulkin>blade: please be patient
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13:32<fxiny>i have to admit emacs is a bit fat ...
13:32<blade>k, thanks
13:32<berat>dpkg --pure tru usage?
13:32<stew>blade: he meant berat
13:32<MicZe>bah how do i exit this vi
13:33<stew>berat: what are you trying to do?
13:33<EmleyMoor>MicZe: Saving changes or not?
13:33<MicZe>just kill it
13:33<berat>remove package that i configure manually
13:33<stew>berat: aptitude purge packagename
13:33<berat>i am trying to use dpkg --puge
13:33<stew>berat: you could use "dpkg --purge packagename"
13:34<EmleyMoor>berat: If you spell purge correctly it ought to work
13:34<MicZe>bah i rebooted the system :)
13:34<stew>berat: note that "dpkg --purge *.deb" would not be correct, becuase you need the packagename not the name of the file containing the package
13:34<Maulkin>berat: man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like uid=<user>,gid=<group> into your fstab's mount option field
13:35<berat>i understand that now
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13:35<berat>dpkg purge * not *.deb
13:35<stew>berat: no
13:35<EmleyMoor>Maulkin meant blade, I think
13:35<berat>dpkg --purge
13:35<stew>berat: what is the name of the package you are trying to purge?
13:35<MicZe>can i have multiple consoles when i am in console mode and hop between them
13:35<stew>berat: you don't want *
13:35<Maulkin>blade: man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like uid=<user>,gid=<group> into your fstab's mount option field
13:36<Maulkin>thanks EmleyMoor
13:36<stew>berat: what does "dpkg -l Limewire.deb" return?
13:36<blade>ok, lemme look...
13:36<EmleyMoor>MicZe: Yes - six are normally provided... use Alt-Fn, where n is a number from 1 to 6
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13:36<berat>no matching package found
13:36<stew>berat: then Limewire.deb is not the name of the package
13:36<MicZe>Yeah i had 6 of them
13:36<berat>but i installed Limewire with dpkg -i Limewire.deb
13:37<Maulkin>knoppix__: please go to #test for testing
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13:37<stew>berat: its probably limewire ; you might find the packagename with "dpkg -l | grep imewire"
13:37<Guest74>thanks and sorry for interruption
13:37<MicZe>bah wrong keyboard
13:37<Maulkin>MicZe: heh
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13:38<MicZe>I use windows on this and a laptop with linux
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13:38<MicZe>*i TRY to have linux on my laptop atleast
13:38<Maulkin>MicZe: sounds like you did it the hard way round :)
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13:38[~]EmleyMoor is drifting more and more towards Linux on every real machine...
13:38<MicZe>My home directory is home/username or just home
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13:39<Maulkin>MicZe: /home/username/
13:39<Maulkin>MicZe: or ~/ as a shortcut
13:39<Maulkin>MicZe: to change to it, just type "cd"
13:39<MicZe>than you
13:39<EmleyMoor>I have one laptop with both Linux and Windows and one server with FreeBSD, but everything else of mine is Linux
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13:39[~]Maulkin has Debian on everything :P
13:39[~]MicZe test
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13:40<EmleyMoor>I have virtual machines running OpenBSD and NetBSD, and also testing and unstable Debian, as well as one real testing Debian and two real stable Debian plus the laptop which has stable on it
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13:41<Maulkin>Ahh, I'm a machocist then :) Most of my stuff is running sid. Except my colo, with is etch with sarge/etch/lenny/sid chroots on for autobuilding.
13:41<Maulkin>s/my colo/one of my colos
13:42<stew>i'm still petitioning to get some colo'd servers moved from sarge->etch
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13:42<MicZe>ah this VI is really hard
13:42<Maulkin>stew: ouch. Still, they have a year... :P
13:42<EmleyMoor>When people ask if I'm running RedHat I say no, I'm running OldHat <g>
13:42<ranix>I run linux on two laptops, a file server, an Exim mailserver, a webserver, a DICOM server, and my home media center. I run NetBSD on my handheld PC
13:43<EmleyMoor>MicZe: vi does take some getting used to
13:43<Maulkin>MicZe: run vimtutor :)
13:43<suiside>one gentoo, one slackware, a laptop with debian, and a test box with various instalations, currently a gentoo, before that a netbsd
13:43<Eshake>hi there is any particular difference between postfix and exim4.. exim4 is default installed in debian but could be used for large environment (i.e. isp hosting)
13:43<stew>Maulkin: yeah, i shouldn't have let them know they had a year, i should have lied and told them 3 months or something :)
13:43<MicZe>vimtutor :)
13:43<MicZe>will do
13:43<Maulkin>stew: lol.
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13:43<EmleyMoor>My main desktop machine is also my mail and webmail server and print server
13:43<ranix>Eshake: I use Exim4 because I decided it was best for my size, my company, and my requirements
13:43<Maulkin>Eshake: it can, I use Exim for that
13:44<Maulkin>Eshake: it's personal preference really. Google for "Exim vs Postfix"
13:44<ranix>Eshake: It is a decision you should make with the assistance of Google and at least three hours worth of thought if you're going to do any sizable implementation of it
13:44<streuner>!start a MTA war
13:44<dpkg>smail systems are liable to be r00ted
13:44<ranix>hey we brilliantly sidestepped an MTA war, streuner
13:45<streuner>hm, maybe i missed that :-)
13:45<Eshake>Maulkin ranix: and for pop3 imap?
13:45<MicZe>so to install vintutor i do apt-get vimtutor -something
13:45<ranix>apt-get install vimtutor
13:45<MicZe>ah rigth :)
13:45<Maulkin>hrm. That should really be "start an MTA war
13:46<ranix>start an mail transfer agent war
13:46<ranix>and then, become an hero
13:46<Maulkin>ranix: and that's 'a' :)
13:46<ranix>actually an hero is technically correct
13:46<ranix>which is part of the fun
13:46<Maulkin>no, it's not
13:46<Eshake>how the debian defualt one was coiched?
13:46<ranix>yes, it is
13:46<Maulkin>the 'h' is pronounced, so it's not
13:46<sobersabre>no it isn't
13:47[~]sobersabre remembers the famous sketch..
13:47<ranix>ok let me rephrase
13:47<ranix>It is not technically incorrect
13:47<MicZe>hehe it could not find vimtutor
13:47<Maulkin>eg: an honest effort is ok, as is a historic event
13:47<ranix>An historic event is also acceptable
13:47<fxiny>vimtutor ? is it an emacs dependecy ?
13:47<ranix>if not more acceptable than A historic event
13:48<Maulkin>MicZe: it's in "vim"
13:48<Maulkin>ranix: it's certainly not more acceptable.
13:48<Maulkin>ranix: though we shoudl probably take this to #moocows :)
13:48<MicZe>now things happen
13:48<ranix>Maulkin: you are incorrect if you think an historic event is less correct than a historic event
13:49<Maulkin>ranix: #moocows, and I'll be happy to argue the point :)
13:49<ranix>It's not worth arguing because I'm incontrovertibly correct
13:49<MicZe>there got vimtutor going :)
13:49<Maulkin>ahh, that argument. Of course you are ranix.
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13:50<ranix>now go away, or I shall taunt you some more
13:50<stouset>What's a fast, easy way to take two files, and remove any lines in the first from the second?
13:50<stouset>grep -v -f is sloooooow.
13:51<stouset>Both files are sorted, if that helps in any way.
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13:52<blade>Maulkin: thanks a lot, setting the uid and gid worked perfectly
13:52<Maulkin>blade: no problems
13:53<sobersabre>bye bye all
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13:54<eurisko>hi everyone
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to tell/set the automatic lock timeout in GNOME2?
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13:57<berat>kernel says warning : not loading blacklisted module i9**
13:57<berat>what does that mean
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13:58<EmleyMoor>Found it
13:58<berat>what EmleyMoor
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13:58<EmleyMoor>I am getting used to a new desktop environment (relatively new to me, that is)
13:59<EmleyMoor>I was looking for adjustment for the screensaver
13:59<EmleyMoor>berat: A blacklisted module is one set not to be loaded for some reason, I guess. Not sure how this is done or what you can do about it
14:00<stew>berat: the kernel detected some hardware and found a module to supported, but that module has been blacklisted (probably in /etc/modprobe.d), what exactly was the module name? i810_audio perhaps?
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14:01<berat>just a second
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14:04<stew>berat: right, i810_audio is the older OSS sound driver, you have setup alsa (which is recommended) and are using the snd-intel8x0 driver instead, so alsa blacklisted the older i810_audio driver to prevent it from loading
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14:04<berat>pronanly i used snd but i check it out
14:04<berat>as soon as possible
14:05<EmleyMoor>alsa is preferable to oss, and if you do need to use an oss-only app, there is emulation of oss available in alsa :-)
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14:05<berat>nıo i dont need
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14:07<berat>one more point some games gives error matching GLX
14:07<berat>what does that mean
14:07<Ming_>hi guys
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14:07<Ming_>quick noobie question
14:07<Ming_>whats root's home directory?
14:08<ketone>its /root
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14:08<ketone>hi :x
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14:10<ranix>next time cd ~ and do a pwd
14:11<MicZe>how do i make a directory?
14:11<MicZe>thank you
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14:34<MicZe>hehe now i know the basics of vim
14:34<MicZe>useful :)
14:35<tarzeau>MicZe: not if you don't have any sort of vim installed :)
14:35<tarzeau>MicZe: believe it or not, such systems exist
14:35<MicZe>well i learned how to do that too
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14:40<Ein>has anyone ever tried to setup a debian environment under MacOSX?
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14:42<N`Kr1pt>what is in your opinion the best graphical mp3 tag editor?
14:42<tarzeau>Ein: like using dpkg/apt-get on mac os x?
14:42<N`Kr1pt>I just installed gnump3d, it's great!
14:42<tarzeau>Ein: and building the packages the debian way instead the fink messy way?
14:43<Ein>tarzeau: no, just install it onto a directory
14:43<tarzeau>Ein: well there's fink
14:43<tarzeau>Ein: they make deb packages and they have dpkg and apt-get
14:43<tarzeau>it's just a mess how they don't use debian/rules
14:43<Ein>i am using a combination of fink and macports now
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14:44<Ein>but it would be nice to have a real debian available in something other than an emulator
14:44<tarzeau>Ein: ack
14:44<tarzeau>Ein: i guess the problem is building free software on mac os x, and having x software just work
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14:45<Ein>the other reason i thought of it is because i need to install debian onto an external driver because the computer it is going into does not havea CD or Floppy
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14:59<eurisko>arhh i have gcc instaled... but i usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22/scripts/ line 11: gcc: command not found
14:59<eurisko> get this message
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15:02<eurisko>i already tried make a link to gcc, from gcc-4
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15:02<eurisko>but it didn't work also
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15:03<stationearth>I am using debian unstable. Yesterday for some reason kdebase package got uninstalled when I ran apt-get dist-upgrade
15:03<stationearth>And on manually trying to install it, it shows unsatisfied dependencies
15:04<stationearth>But the online status of packages doesn't show any problems reported
15:04<stationearth>Could somebody help me find what the problem is?
15:05<stationearth>Would really appreciate help as I am not too familiar with debian package management tools
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15:05<eurisko>do apt-get update follow by a apt-get upgrade
15:06<eurisko>to see if it fix's
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15:06<MicZe>how do i enable color support in my .bashrc file?
15:06<stationearth>eurisko: it installed a few packages but not kdebase
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15:08<stationearth>On further trying to install kdebase manually I still get the same depends but not going to be installed message
15:09<rik>what is the exact dependency message you get?
15:09<stationearth>kdebase: Depends: kdebase-kio-plugins (>= 4:3.5.7-2) but it is not going to be installedDepends: konqueror (>= 4:3.5.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
15:10<rik>what is the output of 'dpkg -l |grep kdebase-kio-plugin'
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15:10<stationearth>rc kdebase-kio-plugins 4:3.5.7-2 core I/O slaves for KDE
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15:11<eurisko>ahh can someone help me with my gcc issue?
15:11<eurisko>i want to compile a new kernel, and i can't :(
15:11<thomasbl>what error comes?
15:11<stew>stationearth: what version of deiban are you running?
15:11<eurisko>make menuconfig
15:11<eurisko>/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22/scripts/ line 11: gcc: command not found
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15:11<stationearth>stew: debian unstable
15:11<MoDaX>stationearth: kdebase is broken in unstable. wait a few days
15:12<thomasbl>eurisko: apt-get install gcc
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15:12<stew>stationearth: what happens when you run "aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins"
15:12<eurisko>thomas it's installed
15:12<MoDaX>long double transition
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15:12<thomasbl>eurisko: and which version?
15:12<stew>eurisko: aptitude install build-essential
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15:12<thomasbl>eurisko: hrhr. i think i know your problem
15:12<stationearth>MoDaX: ahh.. thats what I was wondering. Just that the didn't report anything broken and I couldn't find any other reports online either
15:13<eurisko>i found out
15:13<eurisko>hum... i didn't lol
15:13<MoDaX>stationearth: packages.d.o is lagging behind actually
15:13<MoDaX>a bit
15:13<stationearth>stew: I don't have aptitude installed
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15:13<thomasbl>eurisko: can you run gcc --version? or did there come an error, too?
15:13<rik>stationearth: can you post the output of 'dpkg -l kdelibs4c2a'
15:13<stationearth>MoDaX: i c. Is there a way to revert to previous version
15:14<stew>stationearth: apatitude is recommended since it is better at handling dependency resolution, but anyway, what happens when you run "apt-get install kdebase-kio-plugins"
15:14<eurisko>it run
15:14<eurisko>but now after i made the installation of build-essential
15:14<eurisko>i have other different erros
15:14<thomasbl>hum ... what errors?
15:14<eurisko>like errors in the code
15:15<MoDaX>stationearth: you can force kdebase actually. it won't do you any harm, but you want be able to use apt until kdebase is updated
15:15<eurisko>hum... i guess ncurses missing
15:15<eurisko>a second
15:15<stationearth>rik: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)||/ Name Version Description+++-==============================-==============================-============================================================================ii kdelibs4c2a 4:3
15:15<stationearth>ries and binaries for all KDE applications
15:15<MoDaX>stationearth: I mean force kdebase-kio-plugins
15:15<rik>what version of kdelibs4c2a is installed?
15:15<thomasbl>eurisko: well, for ncurses simple run apt-get install libncurses5-dev
15:15<eurisko>solved :)
15:15<rik>4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-2 ?
15:15<stationearth>stew: when I try to install kdebase-kio-plugins it refers to a dependency on libopenexr2c2a
15:15<eurisko>thanks thomasbl :)
15:15<thomasbl>np ;)
15:16<stew>stationearth: then try to install libopenexr2c2a ; keep going until you find the root cause
15:16<stationearth>MoDaX: I'll try that. Mostly I would like to get kmail back. Can live without the other stuff
15:16<stationearth>stew: when I try to do that it gives me a long list of packages it is going to uninstall. Which I don't want
15:17<stationearth>rik: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-3
15:17<faderhval>im trying to install pidgin and im missing something called GNU gettext i tried gettex-ruby1.8 but its not working am i installing the wrong package?
15:17<MoDaX>stationearth: you're on i386 right? transition does not affect arch, but the package (libopenexr2c2a) was renamed anyway for the name to match on all arches
15:17<MoDaX>does not affect this arch*
15:17<stew>stationearth: this is why you might consider using aptitude, or perhaps you should be running testing instead of unstable
15:17<stationearth>MoDaX: right.
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15:18<rik>can you add the following line to your sources.list: deb pool kdelibs
15:18<stationearth>stew: point noted. Guess I'll downgrade to testing at next available opportunity
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15:18<rik>and then install the previous version of kdelibs4c2a? apt-get update ; apt-get install kdelibs4c2a=4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-2
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15:19<oldude67>is dsl a good version of linux?
15:19<stew>oldude67: try ##linux on
15:19<MoDaX>oldude67: this is #debian we are kind of subjective :)
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15:20<oldude67>ok so???
15:20<oldude67>thanks anyways
15:20<stationearth>rik: trying
15:20<thomasbl>hi stew
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15:20<stationearth>rik: done. Now I am trying to install kdebase
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15:21<rik>apt-get install kdebase=4:3.5.7-2
15:21<stationearth>rik: done
15:22<rik>this should give you a basic kde again. you can install kmail using
15:22<stationearth>rik: konqueror is back
15:22<eurisko>another complicated situation, i am using 2.6.22 on debian unstable, and i am trying since yesterday to get some ACPI support, with the module asus_acpi i get a message that i am on a supported model, but the backlight keys and others don't work, but using a Kubuntu live cd, it works partially with a older driver of acpi_asus, and other module called backlight, my problem is that i can't load that module backlight because it dosen't exist in this kernel
15:22<eurisko>version, my ACPI version is ATK0100 , "asus-laptop: T13FV", thanks :)
15:22<stationearth>rik: so is kmail
15:22<rik>apt-get install kmail=4:3.5.7-2
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15:22<rik>you can remove the line from your sources.list now. and don't update kdelibs untill it's fixed :)
15:23<stationearth>rik: got kmail. Luckily it didn't lost the settings. *whew* Thanks
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15:23<stew>eurisko: what does "uname -r" say?
15:23<rik>stationearth: so everything is back now ?
15:24<stationearth>rik: yes. Atleast the applications I need all the time. The rest I'll install when I notice them
15:24<rik>stationearth: okay
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15:24<stationearth>rik: Thanks a tonne for the fix. over and out. Have a nice day.
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15:25<rik>no problem
15:25<stationearth>MoDaX: rik helped fix the problem with kdebase. I'll hold updating for a while.
15:25<stationearth>MoDaX: Thanks for your help
15:26<stew>eurisko: and what happens when you run "modprobe backlight"?
15:26<stew>!find backlight.ko unstable
15:26<eurisko>the module dosen't exist
15:26<eurisko>FATAL: Module backlight not found.
15:26<tcsetattr>there is an "asus-laptop" module that's supposed to have that functionality according to Kconfig
15:26<MoDaX>stationearth: np
15:27<stew>i don't have .22, it exists in .18 though
15:27<eurisko>tcsetattr, i have that one loaded
15:27<eurisko>asus-laptop: Asus Laptop Support version 0.42
15:27<eurisko>asus-laptop: T13FV model detected
15:27<MicZe>oh now the folders are blue in the console. thats an improvement
15:28<eurisko>it's strange but on the kubuntu live , it loaded saying unsupported model but worked partialy, and here says supported and dosen't :D
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15:29<tcsetattr>eurisko dmesg | grep -i backlight
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15:30<tcsetattr>does anything get added to dmesg if you rmmod asus-laptop and modprobe it again?
15:30<eurisko>yes, at removal nothing, but when loaded the same message appears
15:30<eurisko>what do you think, of compiling the module backlight ?
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15:31<tcsetattr>I dunno.. is it actually gone from the kernel or just from your configuration?
15:31<eurisko>i was looking for it in the kernel to compile it, but i can't find it...
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15:32<eurisko>this version of the kernel i am using right now is from apt
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15:33<tcsetattr>Device drivers -> Graphics support
15:33<eurisko>ohh iwas looking for it under acpi/apm
15:34<tcsetattr>I suspect the debian kernel config includes it already though.
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15:35<tcsetattr>do you have a /sys/class/backlight?
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15:36<eurisko>i have and inside
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15:36<eurisko>actual_brightness brightness max_brightness power subsystem uevent
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15:36<eurisko>so i guess i have the backlight inside the asus_laptop
15:36<tcsetattr>so there's definitely some kind of driver there.
15:37<tcsetattr>did you see the link to in the kernel help text
15:37<eurisko>no guides there
15:39<eurisko>i guess i will send them my dsdt file
15:39<tcsetattr>can you change it through sysfs, like echo 15 > /sys/class/backlight/brightness
15:39<eurisko>that was my next question
15:39<eurisko>let me try
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15:42<tcsetattr>so you just need to get the daemon that reads the special keyboards events and pokes at /sys for you.
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15:55<xerophyte>if i want to recompile my kernel to get my wireless card to work, do i have to apply any patches which debian has .. if so how can i go about doing it
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15:58<frank>what card is it?
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16:14<eurisko>are any specific kernel drivers for touchpads?
16:14<eurisko>or is a X driver?
16:15<tcsetattr>apt-cache search touchpad shows a few things
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16:20<thomasbl>I wanna configure exim4 for using it with 2-4 domains and a couple of users...
16:20<thomasbl>I don't want use an sql server or such
16:20<thomasbl>simple textfile would be great
16:21<thomasbl>have anybody a tutorial for that or a tutorial where i can learn a little bit more about exim4?
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16:23<thomasbl>erm the users shall be virtual, I forgot
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16:24<eldowan>locsmif: I was able to fix the problem I had with a specific subnet yesterday. It turns out shorewall WAS blocking the traffic as part of a range that was blacklisted from the factory. I was able to update the rules to allow for the packet. Thanks for the help again. The kicker was that syslog showed me exactly where the problem was. Yeah syslog.
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16:25<thomasbl>Danyael_X: do you have another tutorial for that situation?
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16:25<Danyael_X>hummm.... try here
16:25<Danyael_X>after that i'm all out of exim links
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16:26<thomasbl>ok. I found this site some mins before and its not really good
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16:27<Danyael_X>ggogle has a lot on "exim4 virtual users"
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16:28<thomasbl>yes but nothing with virtual users _and_ domains
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16:28<faderhval>hey guys im trying to configure pidgin and i've manage to install it but with out ssl support how do i add ssl support?? i tried ./configure --help but i dont see anything really about ssl support
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16:28<donfede>/dpkg flood
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16:30<MoDaX>faderhval: install libssl-dev or libgnutls-dev and try ./configure again
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16:32<faderhval>will do..thanks
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16:51<weebl^>How can I make a folder readable only by root, so normal users cannot look in to it even though they cannot change it at the moment
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16:51<Oezzok>Anyone who can help me out with bad disk write performance? it's a dell poweredge 840 with SAS 5 controller using a LSI chipset, I got as far as setting WCE parameters using sdparm but i'm not sure this is good like this
16:53<stouset>What're the better CLI newsreaders?
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16:53<stouset>pan seems like the only decent GUI one, but it aggravates me. tin is slow for large groups.
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16:55<stouset>A mutt-like interface would be great.
16:56<weebl^>How can I make a folder readable only by root, so normal users cannot look in to it even though they cannot change it at the moment
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16:58<stouset>weebl^: Remove the execute bit from the directories.
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16:58<weebl^>no i just want to lock them out completely
16:59<petemc>Oezzok: which kernel are you using?
16:59<weebl^>stouset ?
16:59<petemc>Oezzok: also, check to see if theres any firmware/bios updates for the controller
16:59<stouset>weebl^: Again, remove the execute bit from the directory.
17:00<weebl^>i don't really know what you mean im not really experienced in linux
17:00<stouset>weebl^: chmod go-x /path/to/directory
17:00<valdyn>!wikifaq weebl^ Permissions
17:00<dpkg>weebl^: check out or if that doesn't work, try
17:00<weebl^>ok thank you
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17:04<weebl^>now in this folder i just modded go-x i have a subfolder which i would like to give one user access to, i tried chown -hR bast4rd /path/to/dir but it doesn't seem to work
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17:07<petemc>Oezzok: im not sure ewhat improvements if any have been made to the sas driver, but it might be worth trying a more recent kernel
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17:09<Oezzok>o.O is it that old this kernel?
17:09<Oezzok>thought it was a quite a fresh install
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17:10<peterS>2.6.18 is not terribly old, but SAS is a pretty new technology, not widely deployed until a couple years ago, so Linux support was probably still maturing when 2.6.18 came out
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17:11<peterS>(in fact I think the current spec was finalised in 2005, deployment came later)
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17:12<Oezzok>how do I go on upgrading the kernel?
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17:12<Oezzok>ohh .22 now
17:13<peterS>Oezzok: see for 2.6.21 packages that work on debian stable
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17:13<Oezzok>What would you recommend to test the disk write performance?
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17:23<the_alchemist>anyone here knows how vto install linux headers?
17:23<the_alchemist>kernel headers
17:23<the_alchemist>fordebian 4
17:24<recepcion>alguien habla españolk
17:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:25<azeem>the_alchemist: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
17:25<the_alchemist>is there russian speakers?
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17:25<the_alchemist>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:25<the_alchemist> linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.18-4 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-1 2) but 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 is to be installed
17:26<azeem>the_alchemist: then update your kernel first
17:26<the_alchemist>hmm how?
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17:26<the_alchemist>i tryed and the repository doesnt contain any
17:26<azeem>the_alchemist: what repository?
17:26<the_alchemist>newer kernels
17:27<azeem>the_alchemist: what does apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4 say?
17:27<the_alchemist>which kernel should i install?
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17:27<azeem>the_alchemist: what does apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 say?
17:27<the_alchemist>i need to get to work my zd1211 driver[wireless] and i need to have kernel headers for that
17:28<the_alchemist>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is already the newest version.
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17:28<tcsetattr>apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.18-4
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17:29<the_alchemist> Installed: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2
17:29<the_alchemist> Candidate: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2
17:29<the_alchemist> Version table:
17:29<the_alchemist> *** 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 0
17:29<the_alchemist> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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17:29<the_alchemist>lol what's the paste url?
17:29<the_alchemist>i got kicked
17:30<tcsetattr>good enough.
17:30<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
17:30<tcsetattr>now do apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 and this time be smarter
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17:30<the_alchemist>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is already the newest version.
17:31<the_alchemist>one sec
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17:32<tcsetattr>it looks like you have one of the header packages installed from the security updates repository, but you have since removed the security repository from your sources.list. did I guess it right?
17:32<weebl^>I am having troubles, I chmod 770 /var/www, but then I still want to allow user 'bast4rd' to access /var/www/leiterow with chmod 770 /var/www/leiterow, but he can't acces it, what am i doing wrong?
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17:33<tcsetattr>to get into a directory, you need at least execute permission on all of its ancestors. 770 means nobody's getting anything underneath there unless they're in the right group.
17:33<vC]Rajohan>aptitude install php-gd <-- isent php-gd a package?
17:34<valdyn>weebl^: why should any user have permission to access anything in /var/www ?
17:35<weebl^>they shouldnt
17:35<valdyn>weebl^: /var/www/leiterow is IN /var/www
17:35<tcsetattr>on the contrary, I thought /var/www is where you put things you want the whole world to have access to :)
17:35<weebl^>basicly i need to exclude anyone from entering /var/www but exclude /var/www/leiterow
17:35<valdyn>weebl^: so: 00:34 < valdyn> weebl^: why should any user have permission to access anything in /var/www ?
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17:36<weebl^>yes i know but i need to exclude /var/www/leiterow
17:36<weebl^>maybe it's not possible ?
17:36<valdyn>weebl^: you don't, that's why im asking 'why'
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17:37<tcsetattr>private data goes in your $HOME. public data goes on the web.
17:37<valdyn>weebl^: there may be some thing you are trying to achieve with this..
17:37<weebl^>but it won't be possible
17:37<the_alchemist><tcsetattr>: no idea, how can i check where did i install the headers from?
17:38<valdyn>weebl^: sure it is possible.. its just silly
17:38<tcsetattr>just put back in your sources.list already.
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17:39<valdyn>weebl^: im asking what you want to _achieve_ so i can tell you how that is done. Not how to apply the possibly wrong solution that you are thinking of
17:40<weebl^>well /var/www shouldn't be accesable by users via ftp or shell
17:40<valdyn>weebl^: you mean 'writable' ?
17:40<weebl^>also readable because else users could use vi to read config files
17:40<the_alchemist><tcsetattr>: deb-src etch/updates main contrib add this line?and what next?
17:40<valdyn>weebl^: there's config files in /var/www ? since when?
17:41<tcsetattr>/var/www is accessible to the whole world via http, why care what other protocols can be used to read it?
17:41<azeem>the_alchemist: not deb-src, deb
17:41<weebl^>tcsetattr there are .htaccess files which protect these config files
17:42<tcsetattr>files can be individually chmod'ed too you know
17:42<weebl^>thats what i mean
17:42<weebl^>i just chmod 644 the config files
17:42<tcsetattr>the generic policy of "nobody is allowed to cd into /var/www" is in direct conflict with the more specific policy of "somebody is allowed to cd into /var/www/foo". You have to give up one of those dreams.
17:42<weebl^>tcsetattr that's what i was thinking now yes
17:43<valdyn>tcsetattr: not exactly
17:43<tcsetattr>the first one, preferably. It's stupid.
17:43<tcsetattr>.htaccess files should probably be 600 owned by the web server
17:43<the_alchemist>thanks ppl, it the make is unsuccesfull [zd1211 driver]
17:44<Oezzok>is it correct if I can set WCE on sg0 and sg1 but not on sg2 ? :
17:44<Oezzok>[0:0:0:0] disk ATA ST3250620NS 3BKH - /dev/sg0
17:44<Oezzok>[0:0:1:0] disk ATA ST3250620NS 3BKH - /dev/sg1
17:44<Oezzok>[0:1:0:0] disk Dell VIRTUAL DISK 1028 /dev/sda /dev/sg2
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17:45<weebl^>so how do i create a situation that users cannot reach /var/www from my shell but the files are still accessible through http?
17:45<stouset>weebl^: Why are you trying to do that?
17:46<E0x>weebl^: only give access to the apache user
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17:46<tcsetattr>you should quit using weasel words like "reach" and say what you really mean. There are a few kinds of directory access: listing, searching, creating/deleting... nobody knows which one "reaching" is.
17:47<valdyn>weebl^: have you read the faq about Permissions yet?
17:47<weebl^>yes i have
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17:48<valdyn>weebl^: for directories, the x flag permits cd, the r flag permits listing content
17:48<tcsetattr>when you use permissions correctly, everything is easy. When you dream up alternate realities in which things work differently and then try to twist the system to support your alternate reality, things get hard.
17:49<tcsetattr>correct permissions in /var/www: chmod 600 .htaccess and 644 basically everything else. (htpasswd files shouldn't be under /var/www at all)
17:49<E0x>tcsetattr: hahahahah
17:50<weebl^>ok i'll figure this all out
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17:50<ricky>tcsetattr: Don't forget 755 for directories :0
17:51<tcsetattr>you could even use 711 for directories if you're weird. but that's the limit, don't try to get weirder.
17:52<stouset>Why would you let people write to them arbitrarily?
17:52<stouset>Er, gah.
17:52<stouset>Scratch that, I'm going off 2 hours sleep.
17:52[~]stouset thunks head on desk
17:53<Alcap>how do you shutdown the x server in debian?
17:53<Alcap>I forgot:S
17:53<tcsetattr>/etc/init.d/xdm stop; /etc/init.d/kdm stop; ... and ctrl-alt-backspace if you have a startx running.
17:54<Alcap>ctrl+alt+backspace reboots the X
17:55<Alcap>it's the first ones;)
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18:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:10<the_alchemist>hey, is any1 here femilliar with zd1211rw build in kernwl 2.6.18 driver?
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18:11<the_alchemist>i have installed debian etch yesturday and while installing my usb wifi card wasnt connected, after install the usb won't work.linux wont recognise eth1
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18:53<pipegeek>so much irc, so little time
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18:55<pipegeek>For the moment, at least, enjoy this unicode: ↂ
18:55<dkr>pipegeek: is that the symbol for divorce? a broken ring :)
18:55<pipegeek>no, strangely, it's supposedly roman numeral for 10,000
18:56<pipegeek>according to gucharmap
18:56<dkr>ah, this is the divorce one: ⚮
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18:57<pipegeek>oh! There actually *is* a symbol for that
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18:57<dkr>⚯ unmarried partnership symbol, heh, how politcally correct
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18:58<dkr>marriage symbols is the joined rings: ⚭
18:58<ptr>Sweet! I got me a three-letter!
18:58<dkr>tln++, too
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19:31<oldude67>how much memory do i need to run debian on a p3?
19:32<chealer>oldude67: the installation guide should answer that.
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19:33<ben_goodger>oldude67: it depends. anywhere between 32 and 8GiB
19:34<oldude67>ben_goodger, can it be downloaded to a cd or does it have to go on a dvd?
19:35<ben_goodger>oldude67: it can go on several DVDs if you want
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19:35<ben_goodger>however, a popular method is to use a network installation disc which downloads everything you ask for during the install
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19:36<oldude67>ben_goodger, can that be put on one cd or does it have to be a dvd,this computer has no dvd player
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19:36<oldude67>sorry am use to slackware
19:37<Vakio>oldude67: yeah, it fits on a CD.
19:37<oldude67>thank you
19:37<oldude67>is the web site at
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19:38<chealer>oldude67: wikipedia should answer that
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19:40<Ten>...because god knows, everyone should consult wikipedia before asking anyone any sort of question about anything.
19:41<ben_goodger>hell yes
19:41<ben_goodger>they should also check on google for at least two pages
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19:41<ben_goodger>and ask their friends if they're not busy
19:42<Ten>Oh yes. And pray for a bit too - just in case.
19:42<Ten>"Hi, are you?" "WTF you could have found my blog if you'd googled."
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19:43<Ten>"Sorry dad" "STFU."
19:43<ben_goodger>Ten: you display a disappointing lack of faith in humanity
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19:44<Ten>ben_goodger: That's actually the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me. Thanks.
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19:44<ben_goodger>I would at least hope that that will never happen
19:45<ben_goodger>believing it is a different matter
19:45<ben_goodger>in any case, it would save everyone lots of time if other people read things before asking about it
19:45<ben_goodger>we aren't copy-paste bots
19:45<ben_goodger>we aren't AOL tech support. :)
19:46[~]Ten shudders at the mention of AOL.
19:46<locsmif>in the case of, tias applies
19:46<ben_goodger>my father is their customer
19:46<locsmif>neither wikipedia nor google
19:46<ben_goodger>their tech support is based in ireland...
19:47<Ten>besides which, wikipedia is full of apocryphal crap.
19:47<Ten>You could easily find Debian redefined as Debain because that's everyone on Jimbob600's Halo server says it.
19:48<Ten>See GNU/Linux for an example of that, heh
19:48<ben_goodger>I have no specific problem with the irish, and I love the accent under normal circumstances, but when it's piped across quite a wide sea and then passes through a huge series of outdated telephone exchanges, it's god-awful
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19:49<ben_goodger>Ten: GNU/Linux is the name used by people who have not yet got tired of explaining the "gunnoo-slash" on the front... people who read the Linux article on wikipedia are not the same type of people who read the Linux (kernel) article on wikipedia
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19:49<Ten>Thick regional accents of any kind are hard for people to understand. Phone support really need to be mindful of that.
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19:50<ben_goodger>for some reason, people from the asian environ are more easily understood
19:50<ben_goodger>but the telephony system in your area is probably much different to mine, so long as you don't live in cornwall, uk
19:51<Ten>ben_goodger: I tend to use GNU/Linux and not bother to explain it, which works on IRC, heh
19:51<andremachado>Hello, are there Debian Days being planned around the world this year? I found very few updated at
19:52<ben_goodger>people on IRC can google it, don't care, or already know... people in the computer shop at which I work will probably dismiss me accurately as an anal-retentive if I start rabbitting about the six freedoms
19:52<ben_goodger>andremachado: apparently not..
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19:53<andremachado>Ben_goodger: I found only Brazil and Chile for 2007
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19:54<Ten>You'll be saying next that you pronounce it lynux :P
19:55<ben_goodger>oh, I do
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19:55<ben_goodger>I find "linnux" to be wholly incompatible with a snobbish slightly overemphasised home counties accent
19:55<Ten>Oh dear.
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19:55<ben_goodger>I would be forced to enunciate it and surround it with sarcasm quotes
19:57<ben_goodger>I typically say "lynux" to refer to gnu, linux, xorg, python, gnome and openoffice as a whole OS, but I'm very aware of context
19:57<Ten>I say linnux or g-noo linnux. Never really found it problematic, tbh.
19:58<ben_goodger>yes, but germanic language users are used to that sort of thing
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20:01<Ten>Don't get me wrong, I hear a lot of people say "lynux", but the thing's named after a guy.
20:01<peterS>wait, there are six freedoms?
20:02<peterS>just like the flags over texas?
20:02<peterS>I thought there were only four
20:02<ben_goodger>GPL3 added some
20:02<Ten>It seems a bit harsh to insist on changing the guy's name, heh.
20:02<peterS>ben_goodger: yeah but it took away freedom 0, so.
20:02<ben_goodger>freedom from patent litigation under some circumstances, and freedom from tivoisation
20:03<ben_goodger>peterS: what was freedom 0?
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20:03<peterS>ben_goodger: freedom from tivoisation came at the expense of freedom 0: the freedom to use the software, for any purpose
20:03<peterS>ben_goodger: gpl3 strayed into use restrictions, which the gpl2 stayed away from for the sake of freedom 0
20:04<peterS>if you can't tell by now, I have a problem with that
20:04<Ten>"the freedom to use the software for any purpose" == NO LICENSE.
20:04<peterS>Ten: you'd think so, but the gpl3 attempts to restrict even the use of the software, not just distribution
20:05<peterS>ben_goodger: actually I take that back, it isn't anti-tivoisation that sacrificed freedom 0, it was the web services thing
20:05<Ten>Ooh, unnecessary capitalisation ftw.
20:06<Ten>The web services thing is an interesting area, peterS.
20:06<peterS>ben_goodger: well, a lot of gpl2 apologists tried to argue that it had a basis in copyright law, and gives rights you didn't already have, as opposed to an EULA which takes rights away that you otherwise would have had. use restrictions, like the web services thing, are in the EULA category
20:07<peterS>ben_goodger: this is why I say "attempts" - it is an open question whether the license can take away rights you would otherwise already have if you didn't accept the license
20:07<ben_goodger>legally, I can require you to speak only using consonants while using my software
20:07<Ten>It all boils down to what constitutes distribution.
20:07<peterS>no you can't. not if I've got a legal copy
20:07<peterS>if you can require only consonants when I distribute it.
20:07<ben_goodger>where does it say that?
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20:08<peterS>where does what say what?
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20:08<ben_goodger>well, surely a EULA is binding, so to speak...
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20:09<ben_goodger>if you sign it
20:09<peterS>ben_goodger: if I didn't sign it? the gpl2 preamble makes the great point that "you do not have to accept this license, since you did not sign it"
20:09<peterS>I never sign open source software licenses
20:09<Ten>ben_goodger: You can't really get away with stipulating what a private individual does with your copyright work, until such point as they distribute it.
20:10<peterS>yeah, this is called "first sale", as I recall
20:10<ben_goodger>I can require you to sign a vowel exclusion declaration before using my software if I want, and then extend a license to you based on that
20:10<peterS>once a copyrighted work has been sold, that copy can be used as the buyer sees fit
20:10<ben_goodger>I suppose
20:10<zatoichi>somebody speak spanish, oh sorry good night
20:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:10<peterS>ben_goodger: yeah, but the gpl3 does not provide any mechanism for signing anything or indicating agreement with the terms
20:10<Ten>You can write what you like in a EULA, but if you start requiring people to convert to Buddhism in their own home before they can use it, you have a meaningless and not legally binding agreement
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20:11<peterS>ben_goodger: traditional EULAs get around this by declaring by fiat that "by using this software, you agree...." I think this is legally shaky.
20:11<Ten>this is part of why those EULAs all have a clause which says "Some of this stuff is legally speaking complete bollocks, all the rest should still apply"
20:11<bernardo>what are the codecs that I need to download in order to play wma, wmv and real player data?
20:12<peterS>speaking of EULAs..
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20:12<chealer>bernardo: with which engine?
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20:12<Ten>peterS: IANAL, but from the last time I took advice on this from someone who was, he pointed out it's very shaky indeed, at least in the UK.
20:13<peterS>Ten: IANAL either. anyway, this is why I am not a fan of the gpl3. I think it strayed into use restrictions, which ought to require some form of signed agreement
20:13<bernardo>chealer: u mean the application? it's totem
20:13<ben_goodger>bernardo: no, the engine, which in this case is likely to be gstreamer
20:13<chealer>bernardo: not really. totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
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20:14<bernardo>chealer: gstreamer
20:14<chealer>bernardo: sorry, no idea.
20:15<bernardo>chealer: uhmmm... how did you do it on your pc?
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20:15<chealer>bernardo: I don't use gstreamer. (and I don't know how to play realplayer off the top of my head even with xine-lib)
20:16<ben_goodger>bernardo: realplayer content is played using realplayer, I'm afraid
20:16<bernardo>chealer: how can I change to xine then?
20:16<peterS>bernardo: you can install 'totem-xine', which will remove 'totem-gstreamer'
20:16<chealer>bernardo: assuming you use GNOME, I guess you'd install totem-xine
20:16<bernardo>ben_goodger: uhmmm...thanx
20:16<Ten>yeah, I'd go with mplayer and realplayer and their respective browser plugins if you want all that stuff.
20:17<bernardo>Ten: yeah...I do
20:17<ben_goodger>bernardo: by which I mean you can't play it using anything else, due to the proprietaryness
20:18<bernardo>ben_goodger: I see...
20:19<chealer>ben_goodger: mplayer is supposed to be able to play RealAudio and RealVideo 8/9
20:19<ben_goodger>I've yet to see it do t
20:20<chealer>ben_goodger: well, w32codecs support that
20:20<chealer>(I didn't mean it could do that "natively")
20:20<tcsetattr>libavcodec handles several of the realcrap codecs, but some are missing. mplayer can load the proprietary DLLs to play the rest, if you for some reason think you can trust that proprietary code running on your machine
20:21<bernardo>After I installed mplayer and the mozilla plugin for it do I still have to downloads the w32codecs or does it come by default?
20:22<chealer>bernardo: it does not come by default.
20:22<chealer>!tell bernardo about w32codecs
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20:22<locsmif>peterS, spreading FUD about gpl 3 again?
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20:22<peterS>locsmif: no
20:22<bernardo>chealer: any ideias on how I can get it?
20:22<locsmif>about freedom 0: i get the freedom to use the TiVo device for whatever i want, including my modifications
20:23<chealer>bernardo: did you receive the factoid sent to you by dpkg?
20:23<bernardo>chealer: yeah...but... it didn't say how I can get it.....sorry
20:23<locsmif>not TiVo's freedom to take free software and then write software that takes away my rights to do modify and run it on their hardware
20:23<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
20:24<chealer>bernardo: "To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>"
20:24<peterS>locsmif: you're about 2 or 3 points behind the discussion
20:24<locsmif>oh, i've read the backlog, professor.
20:24<bernardo>chealer: sorry, but I don't know to ask it something... :)
20:24<chealer>dpkg: debian-multimedia
20:24<dpkg>[debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
20:24<peterS>locsmif: you missed the part where i corrected myself, then
20:24<peterS>locsmif: you may have missed it deliberately, I suspect
20:25<bernardo>dpkg: debian-multimedia.etch
20:25<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root)
20:25<peterS>locsmif: when you go to accuse someone of FUD, you have more credibility when you aren't FUDing yourself
20:25<bernardo>dpkg: apt-key 1F41B907
20:25<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -;
20:25<locsmif>"anyway, this is why I am not a fan of the gpl3. I think it strayed into use restrictions" ?
20:25<peterS>locsmif: no, before that
20:25<peterS>locsmif: you claim to have read the scrollback, you should be able to find where I corrected myself
20:26<locsmif>you are now putting up a straw man argument, as if i was interested in you correcting yourself, which you are forced to do a lot already anyway.
20:27<locsmif>the GPL is always about distribution restrictions, never about use restrictions
20:27<peterS>locsmif: my correction is important in this context. it is basically a correction of the thing you accused me of
20:27<peterS>locsmif: if you are going to ignore that, you are the one doing the FUD
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20:28<locsmif>so for you to keep selling that bs everywhere, yes it annoys me, because it's FUD. Linux kernel mailing list type FUD.
20:28<peterS>locsmif: you are still ignoring the fact that the "BS" you accuse me of "selling" is the thing I corrected
20:28<locsmif>I won't stop you, but i will say the opposite in here, to balance it out.
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20:28<peterS>locsmif: why do you take this tactic?
20:29<weasel>dpkg: forget apt-key 1F41B907
20:29<dpkg>i forgot apt-key 1f41b907, weasel
20:29<weasel>dpkg: apt-key 1F41B907 is gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export 1D7FC53F80F852C188F4ED0B07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -;
20:29<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 is gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export 1D7FC53F80F852C188F4ED0B07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; ; gpg --export 1F41B907 is gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export 1D7FC53F80F852C188F4ED0B07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; | sudo apt-key add -;
20:29<IvanGP>someone can tell me the name of the server of elive please
20:29<weasel>that didn't work
20:29<weasel>stupid bot
20:30<IvanGP>someone can tell me the name of the server of elive please please
20:30<stew>IvanGP: ask #elive on
20:31<IvanGP>stew, how enter?
20:31<stew>IvanGP: /connect ; /join #elive
20:32<peterS>locsmif: I take it by your silence that either you are rereading the scrollback to figure out why your accusation was incorrect, or you already did and are now embarrassed
20:32<weasel>apt-key is not a simple factoid, it's some more magic
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20:32<weasel>dpkg: you suck.
20:32<dpkg>Dream on, weasel. These lips will never touch your flesh.
20:32<IvanGP>stew, look: * Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator
20:33<IvanGP>stew, what i do?
20:33<chealer>!win dpkg
20:33<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
20:33<stew>IvanGP: i don't know what you did. perhaps you should be seeking help for your particular irc client?
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20:33<tcsetattr>he meant /SERVER, not /CONNECT
20:33<stew>i menat /connect
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20:34<tcsetattr>/CONNECT is an irc operator command for linking servers.
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20:34<weasel>tcsetattr: irssi calls that sconnect, and /connect is to connect to new servers (instead of disconnecting from the current and reconnecint to the new)
20:34<tcsetattr>the irssi is not the true irc
20:34<weasel>(yes, I know that sucks)
20:34<IvanGP>stew, thank!
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20:34<stew>ahh, sconnect, i've always been doing sever connects via /raw commands!
20:35<peterS>"sever". haha.
20:35<tcsetattr>who knows why irssi is stupidly renaming commands, just likes being incompatible I suppose.
20:35<weasel>/sconnect together with the servercomplete script is nice
20:35<stew>peterS: i never said that! stop spreading fud
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20:35<weasel>probably more about caring for the 99.99% of users instead of those few of us opers who know better
20:36<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
20:36<tcsetattr>what was wrong with /SERVER as a name for the command to change servers?
20:36<weasel>tcsetattr: that's exactly what /server does.
20:36<tcsetattr>did it have to become /CONNECT instead?
20:36<weasel>no, it's not
20:36<weasel>work on your reading comprehension.
20:36<peterS>no, irssi supports both /CONNECT and /SERVER. the latter automatically disconnects from the current server, which is often not what you want
20:36<ranix>I dislike irssi
20:36<ranix>I am using bitchx
20:37<tcsetattr>oh, adding an extra one.
20:37<ranix>and I'm running it as root
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20:37<locsmif>that doesn't disconnect at all
20:37<locsmif>but does create an extra server window, which you can /win kill if you like.
20:38<tcsetattr>that must be confusing. How does it know which server to send commands to if you do a /CONNECT without creating a separate window?
20:38<weasel>why would you want a window per network? that doesn't make much sense.
20:38<locsmif>tcsetattr, you can choose to use /server or you can switch servers with ctrl-x
20:38<weasel>or you can give the network as arguments to /query and friends
20:39<weasel>(which tab complete gets right most of the time anyway)
20:39<tcsetattr>I always talk in the wrong channel if I'm on more than one in the same window... and that's without the extra complication of them being on different servers and maybe having the same name :)
20:39<weasel>I don't usually talk in the status window
20:40<ranix>I never talk in more than one room on the same server
20:40<tcsetattr>I don't know what a status window would be.
20:40<ranix>so I just use seperate instances
20:40<locsmif>tcsetattr, are you thinking back of the ircII days ;)
20:40<tcsetattr>I am _using_ ircII. specifically, an old version from before they put in the mIRC color codes crap.
20:40<locsmif>split screen, and accidental cross pastes ;)
20:40<peterS>tcsetattr: well, in irssi you get a status window separate from your channels and queries. if you send something to a server while you're focused in a channel/query window, the command goes to the corresponding server. if you do it while in the status window, the status window has a default server which is cycled through with C-x
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20:41<weasel>you are worse than cdlu
20:41<ranix>there is an event horizon of geekness that I have yet to approach
20:41<tcsetattr>mIRC color codes are heinous and must be rejected
20:41<ranix>and that is spending time to figure out which IRC client is the best
20:41<ranix>I can't be bothered
20:41<peterS>ranix: the first hurdle is to start referring to irc channels as channels. calling them rooms makes you sound like an AOLer
20:41<weasel>ranix: bitchx is not it. it maybe was, 10 years ago.
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20:41<ranix>I pick the easiest one and go
20:42<tcsetattr>when ircII wen mIRC-y I knew it was time to freeze on the previous version and start patching bugs independently...
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20:42<ranix>apt-get install screen bitchx && bitchx
20:42<stew>i'm really sorry i said /connect instead of /server
20:42<locsmif>somebody running an irc client as root doesn't need any advice anymore, because he's too 1337
20:42<ranix>then, /connect #debian
20:42<weasel>stew: don't be :)
20:42<ranix>My choice is superior
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20:42<weasel>ranix: you make me wince
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20:43<weasel>bitchx is the broken thing that stops us from having AAAA records
20:43<weasel>I wished it would just get fixed or die
20:43<ranix>What are AAAA records
20:43<weasel>dns resource records for ipv6 addresses.
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20:44<ranix>I will be a late adopter of ipv6
20:44<weasel>your client breaks when there are AAAA records.
20:44<tcsetattr>I'm learning Forth so I can understand openfirmware. let's see if that starts a more interesting discussion than the irc client wars
20:44<stew>its too bad we lost the bitchx factoid from several years ago
20:44<peterS>you sound like you'll be a late adopter of a lot of technology. hmmm, was that too harsh?
20:44<ranix>then I will switch to the next thing that has the least keystrokes in its name
20:44<peterS>stew: you mean the greycat quote I added? hmm.
20:44<bathat>i recently wiped the first 512 bytes of a certain partition... i've assumed that it was the mbr but it was located on /dev/sda1... w95 ext'd
20:45<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ bitchx
20:45<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ irssi
20:45<weasel>irssi is shorter :)
20:45<bathat>is this the mbr or is that located on /dev/sda?
20:45<tcsetattr>mine is /usr/bin/irc .
20:45<bathat>and what does w95 ext'd indicate?
20:45<ranix>OK, I will be switching to irssi when ipv6 rolls around
20:45<ranix>until then I can't be assed
20:45<weasel>ranix: it's people like you that stop us from having AAAA records in
20:45<tcsetattr>I believe "w95 ext'd" indicates the Extended partition that holds the logical partitions (numbers greater than 5)
20:45<ranix>considering I will restart this box like four times in the next year
20:45<weasel>bathat: the mbr is on the disk itself, not on the partition.
20:46<chealer>dpkg: debian-multimedia
20:46<dpkg>debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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20:46<stew>there''s no place like ::1
20:46<ranix>weasel: don't hold back on my account
20:46<tcsetattr>I may be missing something, but if adding an AAAA record gets rid of all the bitchx lamers, isn't that a win-win?
20:46<chealer>dpkg: blame keyboard
20:46[~]dpkg blames Scurz_ and keyboard for all the evil in the world
20:46<peterS><greycat> maddog: take a pimply 14-year-old script kiddie. Put him in a blender. Puree. Pour into a shallow tray, let it solidify, put it in the CD-ROM drive, mount it, and then compile it. You have BitchX. <greycat> maddog: when you've outgrown saying "D00d!" and "That's so gay!" then move up to irssi.
20:46<weasel>tcsetattr: it could be argued that way, yes
20:46<bathat>weasel, aha, people have said that to me before but it never quite clicked
20:46<stew>peterS: YES
20:46<weasel>tcsetattr: but then since is the default for bitchx in debian it seems kinda nasty to break it
20:46<bathat>so i wonder what partition i wiped 512 bytes of
20:46<peterS>!greycat on bitchx is <greycat> maddog: take a pimply 14-year-old script kiddie. Put him in a blender. Puree. Pour into a shallow tray, let it solidify, put it in the CD-ROM drive, mount it, and then compile it. You have BitchX. <greycat> maddog: when you've outgrown saying "D00d!" and "That's so gay!" then move up to irssi.
20:46<dpkg>peterS: okay
20:47<weasel>bathat: your first partition
20:47<weasel>bathat: whatever that is. ask fdisk or cfdisk or your fstab
20:47<bathat>i've run testdisk multiple times and i've been working on restoring the partition table for about a week
20:47<tcsetattr>bleh. I'm mildly offended that debian distributes bitchx. surely the people who run the server should have some influence over the local bugfixes in the bitchx debian package though
20:47<bathat>it worked the very first time but i never wrote the data to disk
20:47<tcsetattr>bathat, have you tried gpart?
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20:48<bathat>the next day, i booted the system, ran testdisk again, and... nothing
20:48<weasel>tcsetattr: irc.d.o is just a cname to us
20:48|-|ranix changed nick to ranix_bitchx
20:48<ranix_bitchx>and bitchx
20:48<bathat>couldn't view any files and the partition table was weird
20:48<bathat>tried gpart
20:48<peterS>weasel: although you do have NMU power over bx..
20:48<weasel>peterS: I'd need ftp* power
20:48<weasel>then I'd just remove the sucker
20:48<bathat>luckily, i copied the partition table to a forum post and i recreated it, but it didn't help
20:48<ranix_irssi>I am noticing that the bitchx colors are superior, but the irssi status bar is superior
20:48<weasel>or NMU it as a transitional package
20:48<weasel>depedning on irssi
20:48<tcsetattr>the DNS admin who put that CNAME there... can't smack the bitchx .deb maintainer upside the head?
20:48<weasel>and shipping a symlink
20:49<stew>weasel: can't you upload a kenrel patch to summarily disable bitchx? :)
20:49<bathat>the partition table info i have doesn't display devices
20:49<weasel>stew: don't give me ideas
20:49<ranix_irssi>how about you upload a kernel patch that disables gnome until they implement Linus' file-chooser thumbnails
20:50<weasel>bathat: sda == the entire disk. sda1 == the first primary partition on it, sda2 the second etc. sda5 is the first logical, sda6 the second logical etc.
20:50<ranix_irssi>that ought to take precedence
20:50<bathat>so i wiped part of the first partition
20:50<weasel>yes. most likely the interesting parts.
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20:51<bathat>i figured it was the mbr, so i overwrote the mbr many times
20:51<ranix_irssi>you'd think the project would get more static about that from the ubunty losers
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20:51<bathat>but i still don't understand why testdisk won't work anymore
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20:51<peterS>one last annoying bx quit message from you, eh? (:
20:51<weasel>bathat: because you destroyed the filesystem on that partition
20:51<ranix>I like some of the bx quit messages
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20:52<weasel>bathat: now testdisk - whatever that is - doesn't have any clue anymore what's on your disk
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20:52<ranix>at least maybe I will figure out how to make irssi log things
20:52<bathat>that makes sense
20:52<ranix>bitchx might not even have logging. Its documentation looks like a blind howler monkey wrote it
20:52<bathat>so the only option now is probably professional data recovery?
20:52<weasel>"restore from backup"
20:52<bathat>i wonder why it worked the first time though...
20:53<bathat>weasel, unfortunately, i have no backup
20:53<bathat>i should have mirrored the drive to another when i first had the opportunity
20:53<weasel>because you hadn't destroyed the filesystem then
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20:53<peterS>ranix: /set autolog = yes /set autolog_path = ~/irclogs/$tag/$0.%Y-%m this is what I have. thus I get ~/irclogs/oftc/#debian.2007-07 for example
20:53<weasel>so it looked at the first bytes of the first partition, read that filesystem info, and saw that that filesystem thinks its X bytes long
20:53<ranix>nifty. Thanks peterS
20:54<peterS>ranix: after you've issued those two /set, you have to /save to save your config (~/.irssi/config)
20:54<weasel>then it went to that offset, looked there and found another filesystem header
20:54<weasel>or something like that
20:54<bathat>so is there any way to restore the drive to its previous state on my own?
20:54<weasel>how many partitions did you have anyway?
20:54<weasel>you can always guess how you partitioned it
20:54<peterS>ranix: hmmm, without the = in those /set commands
20:54<ranix>bathat: it's not a five-dimensional machine you know
20:54<ranix>it can't travel backwards through the fourth dimension
20:54<bathat>eight, including swap
20:55<bathat>i still have all the partition information, which i had copied into a post
20:55<bathat>but i tried recreating it and... nothing
20:55<bathat>the partition table, that is
20:56<bathat>i even tried writing testdisk mbr code but i couldn't boot
20:56<ranix>if you still have the exact partition table with the exact sizes you should be able to recreate it and still have access to the data there
20:56<ranix>assuming the filesystem is still intact
20:56<weasel>which at least sda1 isn't
20:56<weasel>whatever was on there
20:56<bathat>why wouldn't the fs still be intact...
20:56<weasel>because you overwrote the first few bytes with crap?
20:56<bathat>but the others should be intact, right?
20:56<ranix>that will do it
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20:57<bathat>that will do it, as in screw up the whole filesystem?
20:57<ranix>that will screw up the filesystem on that partition, yes
20:57<bathat>so what about all the others?
20:57<ranix>there is a seperate filesystem on each partition, with a seperate journal, et al
20:57<bathat>yeah, so do i just not recreate that partition?
20:57<ranix>sometime, rm -r .* in /home
20:58<ranix>should hit .. and everything, and royally screw up everything
20:58<bathat>since it's messed up
20:58<ranix>but it won't go to another filesystem
20:58<bathat>yeah, that makes sense
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20:58<ranix>play with mount, it's an enlightening experience
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20:58<ranix>also, installing BSD a couple of times helps
20:59<ranix>bsd disklabels are fairly confuzzling
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20:59<ranix>when you are messing with filesystems and testing disks and crap like that you should do it in a sandbox like vmware
21:00<ranix>if you're just dicking around to learn
21:00<bathat>i know... it was a stupid thing to do, but i can't worry about that anymore
21:00<Guest120>i said hello
21:00<ranix>reminds me of when I was 12 and deleted io.sys in windows 3.11 trying to change the login screen
21:01<ranix>Guest120: hello, would you like a cracker?
21:01<weasel>Guest120: we saw it. do you expect 300 people to answer? no. good. then let it me.
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21:01<Guest120>im new
21:01<weasel>apparently :)
21:02<Guest120>gotta say i do like linux
21:02<ranix>perhaps you came from #ubuntu
21:03<nichos>hi all, i just switched to, now when i startx, i get "creating new authority file..." then, "xinit: server error"
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21:03<ranix>well you're in #gentoo right now
21:03<ranix>cflags just kicked in, vroom vroom
21:03<weasel>ranix: ?
21:03<nichos>any ideas?
21:04<weasel>ranix: what are you talking about?
21:04<ranix>weasel: sorry, I am posessed by a troll
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21:04<ranix>mission complete
21:05<bathat>that perfectly explains why testdisk was able to pick up the partitions the first time, since i had never even deleted the mbr
21:05<bathat>and it also explains why it all of a sudden stopped working when i ran SuperGRUB CD
21:05<weasel>ranix: getting rid of new people is not the mission here.
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21:11<nichos>hi all, im trying to startx after upgrading to xorg, all im getting is xinit: server error
21:11<nichos>i dont see any logs in /var/log
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21:12<tcsetattr>it should leave a /var/log/Xorg.0.log; if not you have to question whether you have an X server installed at all
21:12<nichos>(relevent logs that is)
21:13<nichos>~tell nichos about xorg
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21:16<bathat>btw, thanks weasel and ranix... you've really enlightened me
21:16<bathat>i have a much better understanding now of what is going on
21:16<bathat>now the trick is fixing it... maybe by mounting each of the partitions read-only
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21:18<ranix>if you rewrite the partition table you should be able to mount a chosen partition in another system no problem
21:18<ranix>i.e. just because sdb1 is borked doesn't meak sdb2 is
21:19<ranix>fsck might even be able to salvage sdb1
21:19<ranix>if you only overwrote the journal you could be lucky
21:22<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
21:22<bathat>i tried fsck and mke2fs -b num, or whatever, to use a backup superblock
21:22<bathat>but none of the backups were valid superblocks
21:23<bathat>i'm hoping /dev/sda1 was /var or some pretty useless partition
21:23<bathat>it probably wasn't though... knowing the way things usually work out
21:23<ranix>!tell me about debian-multimedia
21:23<bathat>if it was /home, that would be really frustrating
21:24<ranix>would be unusual to have the first partition as home
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21:24<bathat>you're right, it would
21:25<bathat>that's encouraging
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21:26<Stumbles>hi, i'm looking for a program that will let me dial regular phones using my modem and let me talk to people using my headset mic
21:27<Stumbles>... essentially just use my computer headset for the same job as i use my desk phone
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21:29<tcsetattr>hmm... mgetty-voice does the reverse operation (answer voice calls) but I don't see anything for the outgoing case
21:29<tcsetattr>asterisk, maybe, but that feels like overkill
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21:31<litage>is there a way to only flush a specific email from the postfix [defer] queue?
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21:41<Stumbles>thanks tcsetattr :)
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21:47<nichos>hi all, im having trouble with dual monitors and xorg. xorg starts, but one monitor just flickers colors. (It's not from the monitor)
21:49<nichos>both the monitors are showing up (serial number, model, etc) in the log
21:49<nichos>i don't see any errors or anything
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21:50<kirlilili>question: qtconfig doesn't work - where's the proper place to ask? Internet searching for ~1 hour didn't find answers for my error
21:50<kirlilili>sorry, had a timeout
21:51<bathat>i've nearly filled in all of /etc/fstab with the correct information
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21:51<bathat>but when i try to mount one of the partitions, it just says 'you must specify the filesystem type'
21:52<bathat>and if i specify ext3 partition, it says mount point /mnt/sdb10 does not exist
21:52<locsmif>then create the mount point
21:53<bathat>the mount point is just /mnt
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21:53<locsmif>you said: "it says mount point /mnt/sdb10 does not exist"
21:53<bathat>which exists
21:53<venkatesh>when did #debian gain "this is not #ubuntu" in the topic?
21:53<bathat>oh ok
21:54<bathat>i see what you mean
21:54<bathat>of course
21:54<chealer>venkatesh: bob2 added that about a year ago
21:54<bathat>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb10
21:54<venkatesh>haha, thanks chealer
21:55<bathat>dmesg|tail->VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb10.
21:55<locsmif>bathat, what does /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sdb10 say?
21:56<bathat>/dev/sdb10: unknown volume type
21:56<bathat>i was discussing my problem earlier with ranix and weasel
21:56<bathat>i'm recreating partitions
21:56<nichos>what does this mean: AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
21:56<locsmif>and fdisk -l /dev/sdb | grep sdb10
21:56<kirlilili>can anyone provide help with QT library dependencies?
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21:57<chealer>kirlilili: just ask your question.
21:57<bathat>/dev/sdb10 8754 8765 96358+ 83 Linux
21:57<locsmif>nichos, you have no Direct Rendering Extensions, in other words: no 3f
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21:58<bathat>it's not necessary to reboot in order to update fstab, is it?
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21:58<locsmif>bathat, is that a 100MB partition??
21:58<bathat>testdisk shows 'No EXT2, JFS, Reiser, cramfs or XFS marker' in between almost every partition
21:59<locsmif>bathat, no, it isn't
21:59<bathat>didn't think so
21:59<bathat>see, i wiped 512 bytes of /dev/sda1 on my original hdd
21:59<bathat>and i thought it was the mbr
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21:59<bathat>so one of my partitions is mangled
21:59<kirlilili>thanks chealer, moving on: I apparently have libqt3 and libqt4 installed on my computer. typing "qtconfig" gives the following error: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries". error gives ~5 hits on Google, none relevant. ideas? i need to configure fonts in all QT applications, Xchat included; won't mind if there's a console way to do it. Thank you.
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22:02<venkatesh>have any of you been able to run fretsonfire under testing?
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22:03<locsmif>kirlilili, xchat is not a QT app
22:04<chealer>that's right...
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22:06<kirlilili>how about iceweasel?
22:06<kirlilili>konsole is qt though, right
22:07<kirlilili>i've got microfonts in all of them
22:07<kirlilili>used to be able to fix that with qtconfig
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22:07<chealer>kirlilili: it's a KDE app, yeah
22:07<kirlilili>i'm going to go hunt the gtk fonts preferences file
22:07<locsmif>dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
22:08<kirlilili>middle-button paste in console
22:08<locsmif>kirlilili, and and try to create a new user and see if that user has it any better
22:08<locsmif>yeah and*
22:08<bathat>if i were to format all the partitions to ext3 using gparted (on mirrored disk), what would that do?
22:08<bathat>would it wipe the data and format it as ext3?
22:09<locsmif>yes, assume data loss
22:09<bathat>that's what i figured
22:10<locsmif>and considering the fact it's going to be wiped
22:10<bathat>but right now, gparted says filesystem unknown for 90% of the partitions
22:10<locsmif>use gparted to repartition it into a sane layout (no paritions of 100MB in size)
22:10<bathat>i wiped the first 512 bytes of the extended partition, which all other partitions are under
22:11<bathat>would that bungle up all the underlying partitions...
22:11<bathat>i wouldn't assume so
22:11<bathat>but i'm trying to restore the original partition table with the data
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22:12<locsmif>that seems like a lost cause, considering you seem to have completed and written back a failed attempt, making your chances at an actual recovery nil
22:13<bathat>but the partition table is identical to the original
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22:14<locsmif>bathat, ok, well as long as you can mount it, you can read/write it
22:14<bathat>i'm just curious what overwriting the first 512 bytes of a partition would do to the underlying partitions
22:14<bathat>unfortunately, i can't
22:15<locsmif>you mean: what overwriting the first sector of an extended partition index would do
22:15<kirlilili>thanks for your help
22:15<bathat>if i could just retrieve the files on my /home partition, i'd be pretty happy
22:15<bathat>locsmif, yes
22:15<locsmif>well, since the extended partitions are in fact a linked list, you lose them all, unless gpart can help you recover them by scanning the entire disk
22:16<locsmif>kirlilili, np
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22:16<bathat>the thing is... testdisk was able to recover the partition after i wiped the first sector of the extended partition
22:17<bathat>but before i wiped the mbr
22:17<locsmif>then, if you trust the guess gpart made, you can write the guess back to the extended partition index. If you judge the information provided by gpart wrongly, you have made the situation worse than it was, making it less likely to get your data back
22:18<bathat>it was testdisk i copied the partition structure from
22:18<bathat>gpart _did_ work at one point
22:18<bathat>but i understand what you mean
22:18<locsmif>bathat, at this point, i advise you to use some commercial forensic tool, like getdataback (windows)
22:19<locsmif>no idea if that will work, but perhaps more chance than gpart
22:19<bathat>i've never been successful in installing windows since i have the XP upgrade cd
22:19<bathat>i've wanted to try many of the windows data recovery apps, but i can't
22:20<bathat>i could keep trying to get winpe live cd to work
22:20<locsmif>like bartpe?
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22:20<bathat>yeah, bartpe
22:20<locsmif>bathat, well
22:20<locsmif>you can also do:
22:20<ALMN>Der juden.
22:20<locsmif>apt-cache search forensic
22:21<ALMN>Der luftwaffe ist en mein hosen.
22:21<Tom>yer al jooish
22:21<ALMN>Mein juden ist unter mein toiletten.
22:21<locsmif>bathat: that should give you some results, but if it works, don't know
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22:21<Tom>al joo face
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22:21<bathat>i didn't know about these apps
22:21<bathat>wow, thanks
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22:21<bathat>i'm installing foremost
22:21<ALMN>alt+f4 for free help with .exe creation
22:21<locsmif>bathat, these are forensic toolkits, not specifically designed for data rescue i guess.
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22:22<locsmif>bathat, but go ahead, try it
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22:22<locsmif>anything better than resorting to windows
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22:23<mabes>hi all, I'm starting to try debian out.. and apt-get is telling me that it can't find the openssh-server package, any ideas? I was thinking I needed to add something to my sources.list file but I don't know what to add (this is fresh install from the net cd)
22:24<bathat>i tried photorec to recover deleted files
22:24<bathat>it wasn't able to recover anything from /home
22:24<venkatesh>mabes, what error are you getting exactly?
22:24<mabes>vebkatest: couldn t find package openssh-server
22:25<mabes>and when I do a apt-cache search openssh all I see is teh client package
22:25<mabes>I have done a apt-get update
22:25<locsmif>apt-cache policy openssh-server
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22:26<bathat>i'm assuming it's searching, but it just says Processing: stdin
22:26<mabes>that says it is unable to locate the package
22:26<locsmif>bathat, then it's not searchin
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22:26<venkatesh>what is listed in your sources.list?
22:27<locsmif>mabes, apt-cache policy openssh-server
22:27<bathat>ok, it's working
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22:28<bathat>i wonder how this compares to a professional data recovery tool
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22:29<mabes>sorry, got disconneted... my sources.list file has:
22:29<bathat>or getmydataback
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22:29<mabes>deb-src etch main
22:30<mabes>and then some security ones as well
22:30<venkatesh>does it have a 'deb etch main'
22:30<mabes>ohh.. hmm.. that is commeted out
22:30<venkatesh>hah, uncomment it
22:31<mabes>it says the installer commeted it because it failed to verify
22:31<mabes>I can't belive I missed that, lol
22:32<venkatesh>*I've never seen the installer do that
22:32<mabes>there is goes.. thanks for helping me with such a dumb question
22:32<mabes>maybe the installer didn't have an internet connection at the time
22:33<venkatesh>np, good luck etching
22:33<kirlilili>guys, any quick ideas for gtk font configuration?
22:33<venkatesh>kirlilili, with regards to what?
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22:34<kirlilili>venkatesh, xchat and iceweasel look horribly tiny
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22:35<venkatesh>using the default gtk font configuration?
22:35<kirlilili>venkatesh, what is that - are you talking about fontconfig?
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22:36<venkatesh>no, the defaults from gnome-font-properties, for example
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22:36<kirlilili>venkatesh, i don't use gnome - I use enlightenment e17
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22:37<venkatesh>ok. I don't know if e17 has a fontconfig tool that changes the same setttings that gnome-font-properties does, but I suspect that it woul
22:38<venkatesh>(sorry, never used it, just heard good things)
22:38<kirlilili>venkatesh, I know there is an underlying .rc file but I can't figure it out
22:39<kirlilili>venkatesh, E17 blows the rest away.
22:39<kirlilili>venkatesh, you can check some screenshots on
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22:40<venkatesh>I just straced gnome-font-properties, looking for the rc file now
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22:44<venkatesh>can't find anything, sorry
22:46<kirlilili>venkatesh, thanks much anyways!
22:46<venkatesh>good luck not shrinking it further
22:51<kirlilili>venkatesh, it will be hard considering it's at ~6pt now :(
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23:13<kirlilili>venkatesh, I fixed my font issue: needed to generate .gtkrc-2.0 with some font specifications inside
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23:54<Brudus>Where can I go for help.
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23:57<Brudus>Has anyone had troubles with the .iso's on the site. I keep getting MD5 error. I got the latest MD5 file as well and it says they match.
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