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---Logopened Fri Jul 27 00:00:20 2007
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00:04<weasel>Brudus: hmm
00:04<weasel>Brudus: which file?
00:04<Brudus>i'm trying to download the net install iso
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00:05<chealer>Brudus: there are several netinst iso-s. please provide a URL
00:05<Brudus>And when I go to install I get an error. Something about the MD5. I check the MD5 file and they match.
00:06<Brudus>one moment.
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00:08<chealer>Brudus: did you really mean "they match" or rather that they *don't* match?
00:08<Brudus>They DID match
00:09<chealer>Brudus: what MD5 error do you get?
00:09<weasel>weasel@lore:~$ md5sum debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso
00:09<weasel>663b42887d30ce56589088e7943b5656 debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso
00:09<weasel>is what I get.
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00:10<weasel>Brudus: what do you get?
00:11<Brudus>Thats what I have as well. In the MD5 file and on the .iso file.
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00:11<weasel>then what is the problem?
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00:13<Brudus>The problem I am having is that when I go to install I get an error. Something about the MD5 doesn't check. When I use the CD anaylzer tool on the boot disk it gives me the same error.
00:13<weasel>"an error" and "something about" is no good.
00:13<weasel>what exactly tells you what exactly
00:14<weasel>and what is a "CD analyzer tool"?
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00:15<Brudus>Well I can't really tell you right now. You see i'm in a bit of a jam. It's a long story. My HD is whiped out and i'm running knoppix. I'll try to install debian again and write down the error I get. I'll be back in 10 minutes.
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00:15<weasel>please also pay attention to when you get th....
00:15<weasel>oh well
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00:16<EmleyMoor>Is it easy/possible for two people to have sessions going on the same gdm-managed X desktop, locked so that each has to enter his password to regain access from the screensaver?
00:16<weasel>doesn't the gnome screensave have a 'switch user' button?
00:16<EmleyMoor>(I have worked out that a second login is possible, just not how to retain it and switch back)
00:17<EmleyMoor>weasel: I may not be running that screensaver - will check
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---Logclosed Fri Jul 27 00:22:59 2007
---Logopened Fri Jul 27 00:23:01 2007
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00:25<EmleyMoor>I get no response when I try to lock screen now - how do I tell why?
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00:26<harold>is anybody in there?
00:26<EmleyMoor>Yes - now ask a real question
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00:28<EmleyMoor>Sorry, have to bounce
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00:29<harold>I bought a new pc, intel core 2 duo. And i'm having some problems with the installation, my cdrom is not recognaized during the installation
00:29<harold>I have a LITE-ON DVDRW LH
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00:30<harold>did anybody have this problem before?
00:30<EmleyMoor>Does gnome-screensaveer support locking the screen on demand?
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00:30<harold>does anybody what is the solution?
00:30<EmleyMoor>I missed the problem
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00:31<chealer>harold: what's your drive controller?
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00:32<EmleyMoor>Ah, it works now
00:32<Brudus>I'm back. let me tell you what I get.
00:32<harold>my drive controller? what do you mean? phisical drive?
00:33<Brudus>When I try to install I get this "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not wor, you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM."
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00:34<Brudus>This is select "Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity" from the menu and I get this when I do.
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00:34<EmleyMoor>Brudus: Does the drive read other CDs? Does the CD read in other drives?
00:34<chealer>Brudus: does this happen only with one CD?
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00:34<Brudus>"The ./install.386/gtk/initrd.gz file failed the MD5 checksum verification. Your CD-ROM or this file may have been corrupted."
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00:35<jm_>time to check dmesg output
00:35<chealer>harold: what's the interface to your DRD driver on your mobo? for example, "IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE"
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00:35<Brudus>Yes. A DVD rom, wich the CD is in, and a CD burner. I've tried switching the disk between the two and that didn't work.
00:36<chealer>Brudus: did you validate the burn?
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00:36<Brudus>I don't know
00:36<harold>ok. let me see. I'll be right back
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00:37<chealer>Brudus: then it's possible that it's simply a bad burn.
00:37<Brudus>I used Kd3 and just burned it.
00:37<mytc02>hai sawi apa khabar
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00:37<mytc02>nongo ie biana
00:37<Brudus>But this has happen multiple times with diffrent .iso images on diffrent servers.
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00:38<jason>loguit semua
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00:38<chealer>Brudus: so with different CD-s?
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00:38<chealer>unless you used the same CD-RW?
00:38<weasel>Brudus: hmm. my bet is that the iso is fine.
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00:38<weasel>Brudus: its your burner or your drive which are causing the problem.
00:39<weasel>Brudus: what you can do is after burning the iso to disk, try to md5sum /dev/cdrom (whatever that is for you). it should come back with the same checksum that the .iso had
00:39<mytc10>what are looking for
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00:40<mytc10>cyril where are you now
00:40<clemen>yes can i help you?
00:40<Metalqga>EmleyMoor you are here 24/7
00:41<clemen>jatty what do you want?
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00:43<Metalqga> mytc14 mytc03 mytc10
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00:44<Metalqga>mytc14 is ~mytc14@ mytc03 is ~mytc03@
00:44<mytc14>what a u doing
00:44<Metalqga>we are trying to kick you
00:44<mytc10>whi are you
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00:45<weasel>mytc10: _one_ client should suffice, please remove the rest from the network. thanks.
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00:45<Brudus>Alright I just burned a new copy and told K3B to validate and it said it was a sucess.
00:46<weasel>Brudus: remove it from the drive, load it again, run md5 on the block device
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00:46<weasel>also, is this the same drive you will be using to install debian?
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00:46<@weasel>mytc06: you can talk. the rest of you cannot.
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00:47<mikegrb>awww I want a voice!
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00:48<Metalqga>why do you have to remove your chanop privileges every time? it's better to have a chanop for some respect
00:48<Brudus>What do you mean when you say "run md5 on the block device"
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00:49<weasel>Brudus: exactly that. 'md5sum /dev/cdrom', or whatever device is your cdrom block device
00:49<Metalqga>md5sum /dev/hd*
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00:50<jm_>you should use checkiso script to verify burned CD-s
00:50<Metalqga>then at the end you will end up with a line of numbers and letters, you should make sure they are the same with the iso's md5s
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00:54<chealer>jm_: cool. let me know if you know of an equivalent for DVD-s
00:54<xuanfei>who are you here?
00:54<Metalqga>isnt the iso the same
00:55<Brudus>knoppix@Knoppix:~$ md5sum /mnt/hdd/md5sum.txt
00:55<Brudus>ef80a1d558777800ecb830b35d79df7f /mnt/hdd/md5sum.txt
00:55<jm_>chealer: it works fine for DVD-s too
00:55<weasel>Brudus: erm.
00:55<weasel>Brudus: you don't want to take the checksum of the md5sum.txt file
00:55<weasel>you want to _look_ into the file
00:57<Brudus>I have it opened up and it's a list of MD5s. What am i looking for.
00:57<weasel>the md5 for the file you downloaded?
00:57<weasel>let's take a step back
00:57<weasel>what _is_ /mnt/hdd/?
00:58<Brudus>the md5sum.txt that is on the disk i just burned.
00:58<weasel>who cares about that
00:58<weasel>we want a checksum of the thing you just burned.
00:58<weasel>md5sum /dev/hdd
00:58<Brudus>/mnt/hdd/ is my CD burner. I'm running knoppix so it has to mount everything.
00:58<jm_>put it in the other drive, you said you have two
00:58<weasel>the other is occupied by knoppix
00:59<weasel>still, md5sum /dev/hdd
00:59<jm_>yeah other than the one with knoppix in it
01:01<Brudus>663b42887d30ce56589088e7943b5656 /dev/hdd
01:01<Brudus>that is what it output
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01:01<weasel>that's the same as in the MD5SUMS file you downloaded
01:01<weasel>isn't it?
01:01<weasel> - that one
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01:02<bris>I would like to increase the size of a partition with another hard disk without losing the data. No the LVM on the system.
01:02<Brudus>Yes that is the same.
01:03<Metalqga>brudus, actually the installer has a way to check if the cd is right
01:03<Brudus>I've used the "check the CD-ROM(s) integrity" from the menu and got an error.
01:03<weasel>Brudus: then we can assume that the cd was properly burned.
01:04<weasel>Brudus: can you boot from that drive?
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01:04<Brudus>I've always booted from the DVD drive.
01:05<weasel>you just told me nothing.
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01:05<weasel>don't assume I know which is your DVD drive
01:05<Brudus>I assume I could. The boot order is correct in the BIOS. I'll try right now.
01:06<weasel>also, you did remove the CD and put it back into your burner prior to running the md5sum, right?
01:06<weasel>try that first.
01:07<chealer>weasel: he wrote he verified the burn with k3b
01:07<harold> the problem is this: When I try to install debian, at the moment that the system try to detect and mount CD-ROM the installation fail. Because the sistem didn't find an apropiate module for my cd-rom
01:07<weasel>I still want the cd removed and reentered, just in case there's some weird caching going on.
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01:08<harold>so i check lspci and I find somthing like this: : IDE Interface: Marvell Technology Ltd. Unknow device 6101
01:08<oddtod>heya guys
01:08<harold>i check dmesg and the only that i find is: "probing IDE interface ide0..."
01:08<harold> "probing interface ide1", with nothing else
01:08<Brudus>663b42887d30ce56589088e7943b5656 /dev/hdd same thing. I'll try to boot from the CD burner right now.
01:08<weasel>good luck
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01:09<sep>how can i find out what drive sd(8,49) is ?
01:09<harold>does anybody have a sugestion
01:09<sep>blæ, /proc/partitions have it. nevermind me
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01:10<chealer>harold: identify your IDE interface, and determine whether it's supported by the Debian version you're trying to install.
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01:12<jm_>harold: grep /sys/block/*/removable
01:12<jm_>harold: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
01:13<tcsetattr>the unknown device 6101 is apparently a "88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface"
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01:14<nitalaut>hello guys, there's a linux box as a gateway. I'm trying to catch all forwarded traffic which goes through it +all incoming and outgoing traffic directed to the server. Where should I put ULOG rules ? I made the following: iptables -A FORWARD -j ULOG
01:14<nitalaut>iptables -A PREROUTING -t raw -j ULOG
01:14<nitalaut>iptables -A OUTPUT -t raw -j ULOG
01:14<nitalaut>is that enough and won't there be a duplicate packets in my stats ?
01:15<jm_>nitalaut: read iptables tutorial, it has diagrams of how packets traverse the chains
01:15<tcsetattr>appears to be supported by libata but perhaps not by drivers/ide
01:15<nitalaut>yes i did ) i'm just wondering if i understood the rigth )
01:15<chealer>harold: it looks like Linux 2.6.18 (Debian 4) doesn't support your controller, but that Linux 2.6.22 (Debian unstable) does
01:16<jm_>there's Etch with 2.6.21 iso if it helps
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01:17<chealer>harold: Linux 2.6.21 (Debian testing, alternatively an unofficial installer of Debian 4) seems to support it too
01:18<|qwaz|>Hi, I have installed the Gnome desktop for the first time (i normally use KDE). If I add a new app, how do i refresh the menus? Is it update-menus like for KDE? It does seem to catch on, or at least I cannot find all the apps i have installed.
01:18<chealer>(stole from Google and tcsetattr )
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01:19<harold><chealer> yes i'm trying with this version "Linux 2.6.21, Debian testing"
01:19<harold><chealer> AMD64
01:19<chealer>harold: you were trying testing from the start, or you decided to try it now?
01:19<tcsetattr>load the pata_marvell module
01:19<harold><chealer> from the start
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01:19<Waddledee>|qwaz|, I'm not an expert (and hopefully someone who is will speak up), but I've found my Gnome menus just update themselves. If something you've installed isn't showing up, maybe it doesn't have a Gnome menu entry? You could always add one yourself...
01:20<harold><chealer> I download the netinst image yesterday
01:20<chealer>harold: I don't know then. you can try loading pata_marvell manually as tcsetattr asked
01:20<qwaz>Waddledee: (I was logged out for a second)
01:20<tcsetattr>and your disks will probably be identified as scsi
01:21<qwaz>Waddledee: But I saw your message
01:21<harold><chealer> how?
01:21<chealer>harold: # modprobe pata_marvell
01:21<qwaz>Waddledee: For example, kvirc doesn't show up... :(
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01:22<harold><chealer> ok! I'm going to try. Thanks a lot!!
01:22<qwaz>Oh, it was there, in Debian>Applications>Network
01:24<Waddledee>qwaz: do you know how to edit Gnome menus?
01:25<qwaz>Waddledee: :S no...
01:25<Waddledee>qwaz: It's under System -> Preferences -> Main Menu.
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01:26<qwaz>Waddledee: I don't have that here... Only "Menus and Toolbars"
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01:26<Waddledee>qwaz: well, that's odd. Are you running testing, or some other version?
01:26<qwaz>Waddledee: Unstable
01:27<Waddledee>Try looking under Applications -> System Tools?
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01:27<qwaz>Waddledee: not there either
01:28<Waddledee>qwaz: the only other place I can think to look is System -> Administration. Or see if they renamed it.
01:28<qwaz>Waddledee: It is a completely new installation. 1 day old.
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01:29<Waddledee>qwaz: I mean, you're using a newer version than I am; the Gnome people may have moved it.
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01:29<hachi>bleh, how do I figure out why apt-get -u dist-upgrade wants to remove postfix?
01:29<qwaz>In System->Administation I have only "System Monitor"
01:30<qwaz>Waddledee: In System->Administation I have only "System Monitor"
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01:30<qwaz>Also, I only did a gnome-core installation. Started out as barebone as possible if i didn't like it.
01:31<Waddledee>qwaz: ah. Maybe you don't have alacarte installed.
01:31<qwaz>Waddledee: So, alacarte is the app of the day?
01:31<Waddledee>qwaz: I checked to see what the Main Menu menu entry called, and it's alacarte, so. (^^)
01:31<marc7>I hate to ask, I know it's a known bug... but what's the deal with checkinstall in etch? I know upstream's handling it... but the bug's been open since 2006... any hope of that getting fixed? anyone know what the deal is?
01:32<qwaz>Waddledee: installed
01:33<qwaz>Waddledee: How do I refresh? With update-menus?
01:33<Waddledee>quaz: um, I dunno the refresh command, though I assume there is one. I'm kind of a Linux newbie. Log out and back in?
01:33<qwaz>Waddledee: looks like it. Ill try. Thanks for the help!!!
01:33<jm_>marc7: maybe you should contact upstream
01:34<qwaz>wa cya
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01:35<Waddledee>qwaz: Did that do the trick?
01:36<marc7>jm: I have to admit really not being certain what 'upstream' is, when it's assigned 'upstream' does that mean the checkinstall developer is tasked with fixing their project before the debian package maintainer can tackle it?
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01:36<qwaz>Waddledee: Ok, I have the Sys>Adm-Main Menu now. :)
01:36<stew>marc7: it means the bug is in the code from the original author, the bug is not with the debian specific packging
01:37<Waddledee>qwaz: yay! (^^)
01:37<qwaz>Waddledee: How do I change the colors of the menus?
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01:38<marc7>stew: thanks, that clears things up. i suppose i should take this opportunity to learn how to use dh_make
01:38<qwaz>Waddledee: The colors in the Theme are allgreyed out.
01:39<stew>marc7: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
01:39<stew>marc7: there is no reason to repackage it from scratch if it is already packaged
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01:39<marc7>oh right, I mean using dh_make instead of checkinstall to create a package for a custom-built thing for use within my server environment
01:40<jm_>marc7: ahh read NMG
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01:40<marc7>yep yep! I've got a copy printed on my desk... it's moving its way up to the top of the pile and it'll happen sooner now that I have a better idea where checkinstall is heading (nowhere fast)
01:42<marc7>thanks guys... it's been a really awesome week and I owe a lot to everyone here and on freenode
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01:43<Waddledee>qwaz: So you're going to System -> Preferences -> Theme, then clicking Customize, then hitting the Colors tab? Or something else?
01:43<xuanfei>do you have Cacti
01:44<qwaz>Waddledee: Exactly those steps. I only see Raleigh, but nothing is editable
01:44<xuanfei>who used Cacti
01:44<xuanfei>can you help me
01:45<jm_>there are a bunch of gnome themes available in packages, why not install them?
01:45<stew>marc7: well if the thing you are packaging is appropriate for inclusin in debian, consider filing an ITP and contributing your package to debian: /msg dpkg itp
01:46<Waddledee>qwaz: ah. Sounds like you need to install a set of controls that does support color changes. I'm using the default Clearlooks, but I imagine there are plenty that allow for color tweaking.
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01:47<Waddledee>qwaz: if you install the gnome-themes package, that'll give you several; gnome-themes-extras has several more.
01:48<marc7>stew: It looks like my contributions back to the community might start with editing, but as this script of mine matures I might fully release it and maintain the package for debian. might not happen until later this year, but at least it's a goal to keep in mind.
01:48<qwaz>Waddledee: Ok, gnome-themes sounds more general
01:49<qwaz>Waddledee: Nice :)
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01:52<qwaz>Waddledee: I know I'm asking much, but is there any with transparent widgets? I have daughter used to that... ;)
01:53<jm_>so young and already used to crap :)
01:53<qwaz>It all started with Linux!
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01:53<qwaz>And, she's 16...
01:54<Waddledee>quaz: not a clue; like I said, I use the default. You could always look and see; if you don't like any of the themes in a package, you can always uninstall it again.
01:54<Waddledee>Er, qwaz.
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01:54<qwaz>Waddledee: I like them. But following the 'path of least resistance, I try to obey to my daughters whims.... She has a temper ... :D
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01:56<Brudus>Okay so it's official. God hates me. I actuall get Debain to install and now I'm having trouble with xwindows. All I got is a command prompt.
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01:57<weasel>if you started calling X by its rightful name it would maybe be kinder to you :)
01:57<jm_>is Debain better than Debian?
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01:58<Brudus>I've had a long day :( I just want to play World of Warcraft and sleep
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01:59<denied>debian 4.0 up and runnning
02:00<sep>i am trying to scan on my debian for the very first time. google is just beeing annoying since all i can find is usb/scsi/EPP scanner instructions. and saned seams to be the server side. are there any docs explaining how you scan from a network attached scanner in debian ?
02:01<denied>i need to configure my wireless card
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02:04<mjk>sep: xsane
02:05<mjk>sep: And various applications have their own interface to saned, like GIMP (never tried that, though).
02:06<gsimmons>denied: What is your wireless card?
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02:07<mjk>sep: Err wait ... network attached means the scanner has an Ethernet port?
02:07<sep>mjk, i was going to use kooka, (kde) but i need to make sane see my scanner before i can use the frontends, xsane just say "no scanner found"
02:07<denied>gsimmons, im new to linux
02:07<sep>mjk, yes it's a ip device.
02:07<denied>im googling HP right now
02:07<mjk>sep: What manufacturer and model?
02:07<denied>HP Compaq nx6320
02:08<sep>richo 1515 (OEM: rex rotary dsm415pf)
02:08<gsimmons>!tell denied -about whats my hardware
02:09<sep>i tried adding the ip address in /etc/sane.d/net.conf but it seams not to work.- and the error comes so quickly i dont think it even tried
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02:09<denied>gsimmons, will do
02:09<gsimmons>denied: We can point you in the right direction, but we need to know what chipset your wireless device contains.
02:10<fpiat>hardware support in stable : I wonder how much change are allowed in point release (like 4.0r1), in order to support newer hardware (like intel SantaRosa 965).
02:10<denied>gsimmons, its a built-in wireless
02:11<gsimmons>denied: Use lspci (part of the 'pciutils' package). Provide the output to us via a pastebin site if you're unsure what to make of it.
02:11<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
02:12<dli>denied, try: lspci|grep -i net
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02:14<Brudus>I thought I had found a problem for my xserver problem but it didn't work
02:14<mjk>sep: Hm, at least one other Ethernet scanner is supported: Dell 1600n. The SANE project page states: "Status: Basic", "Comment: USB not supported".
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02:14<gsimmons>!tell denied -about ipw3945
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02:15<qwaz>Brudus: What installation did you do?
02:15<fpiat>hardware support in stable : I wonder how much change are allowed in point release (like 4.0r1), in order to support newer hardware (like intel SantaRosa 965).
02:16<Brudus>standard debian install. xserver wasn't coming up. I saw a forum post that said run this as root "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
02:17<dli>!tell fpiat about repeat
02:17<Brudus>It told me "xserver-xfree86" didn't exsist.
02:17<qwaz>Brudus: Using an iso?
02:17<dli>Brudus, run: tasksel
02:17<Brudus>yes. I got an .iso file and burned it to a CD
02:17<denied>gsimmons, thanks
02:18<gsimmons>denied: np
02:18<qwaz>Brudus: Which .iso?
02:18<dli>Brudus, get network, and use repositories online
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02:18<Brudus>the "net install". I've got debain full installed but i just can't get a GUI to come up.
02:18<suiside>Brudus: that must have been an old forum post, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
02:19<sep>mjk, running SANE_DEBUG_NET=128 scanimage -L, shows me net] connect_dev: [0] failed to connect (Connection refused), so it's trying to connect
02:19<dli>Brudus, sounds like a n00b question, "full" :)
02:20<Brudus>thanks. I hope this works. I really want to go to bed :(
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02:20<mjk>sep: Which backend are you using?
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02:20[~]nvz proves once again, only users lose drugs
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02:23<sep>trying sane-net now
02:23<mjk>sep: I think (not sure) that sane-net is for contacting remote hosts with a running saned.
02:23<sep>it is
02:25<mjk>sep: I doubt the scanner understands the protocol sane(d) uses, but maybe it does. It's sure worth a try if anything else failed. ;-}
02:25<sep>it failed tho.
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02:26<sep>i dont know what backend to use. sane-richo only talks about scsi devices
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02:27<manphiz>Any news about boost 1.34.1? It's out for several days, which is good to be seen in unstable, and consequently unblock many others :)
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02:28<mjk>sep: You could try this driver (it's a Perl script), it has limited support for the Ricoh FX200, which also has an Ethernet port:
02:28<tompan_ava>Hi. I have o problem with debian etch, every time i reboot the device names keep changing. So my root device changes between sda-sdf, please help.
02:29<dli>tompan_ava, sounds like a udev problem
02:29<tompan_ava>my setup are: dell pe 2970 with a perc 5i controller board and a qlogic 2462 FC board connected to a san
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02:31<tompan_ava>in grub there are no problem, the raid set on the perc 5 card are presented as hd0 and works every time, but as fast as it boots the kernel it starts to freak out!
02:31<dli>tompan_ava, you may have a lookat /etc/udev/rules.d/
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02:32<dli>tompan_ava, kernel and grub don't handle devices the same way
02:32<tompan_ava>i know
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02:33<tompan_ava>but i dont know where to start, i mean its like the kernel detects the controllercard at random every boot
02:33<dli>tompan_ava, several ways: 1, correct udev (making rules); 2. built your own kernel (with raid drivers built-in); 3. use UUID in your /etc/fstab, so whatever /dev/sd?
02:33<tompan_ava>i rather not build my own kernel
02:33<dli>tompan_ava, of course, you may try all three altogether, couldn't hurt
02:34<tompan_ava>witch way are the easiest?
02:34<dli>tompan_ava, anyone would fix the problem
02:34<tompan_ava>think i go for the udev fix
02:35<litage>this is way off-topic, but in gmail, is it possible to set plain text as the default (as opposed to rich text) when sending emails?
02:35<denied>a problem
02:35<qwaz>Hi, I installed glcpu for monitoring my CPU but cannot find it anywhere in my menus. Shouldn't it be there?
02:36<denied>brb reboot
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02:37<mjk>If I run "aptitude purge foo", packages, which get removed due to their dependency on the package to be purged, get only "remove"ed, not "purge"d. Is there a switch for propagating the "purge" command properly?
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02:39<tompan_ava>dli: where can i find an examlpe how to make such a rule or rules in udev?
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02:42<dli>mjk, apt-get --purge remove foo
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02:45<mjk>dli: Hm, our bot dpkg claims that aptitude has better dependency resolution and removes unneeded packages automatically -- which means that apg-get does not, right?
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02:48<qwaz>mjk: Still, with aptitude you need to run "aptitude autoclean" as well as "aptitude clean" once in a while.
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02:49<mjk>qwaz: That's the smallest problem I could imagine. :-)
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02:49<Waddledee>So what defines an 'unneeded package'? Are certain packages marked as things you'd never want to install unless something else depends on them?
02:49<qwaz>mjk: I wasn't aware that autoclean didn't remove everything until my hd was filled...
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02:50<marc7>i <3 debian
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02:50<tompan_ava>dli: how can i get the uuid for my swap partition?
02:51<tompan_ava>dli: went for uuid in fstab :)
02:51<mjk>qwaz: I've never run autoclean. Actually, before I knew about the "clean" command, I did an "rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*" manually from time to time. :-)
02:51<dli>tompan_ava, I guess you can not. swapdoesn't have uuid
02:51<qwaz>Waddledee: Why would one have a lib installed if it not used?
02:52<Waddledee>qwaz: so library files have a special 'library' flag?
02:52<qwaz>Can anyone recommend the 'best' app for monitoring cpu temp
02:52<qwaz>Waddledee: Don't know but wouldn't think so.
02:53<manphiz>qwaz, acpi
02:53<Waddledee>qwaz: so aptitude just looks for packages with 'lib' in the name, then?
02:55<qwaz>Waddledee: No, I just meant that some guys just keep track of the dependencies. Some app needs another app, whether that is a standalone app or a lib. Some people may argue that emacs is a lib for xemacs
02:56<qwaz>And, that Emacs without Xemacs is unneded... ;)
02:56<Waddledee>qwaz: I guess what I'm asking is, just because a package doesn't have other packages depending on it doesn't make it an unneeded package; most of your applications are going to be packages of that sort, for instance. So how does aptitude know a package is unneeded?
02:56<qwaz>Ok, now I see your point.
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02:57<denied>i have to configure my sound too
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02:57<qwaz>Sounds that some 'toplevel' must be defined somewhere
02:58<dli>!tell denied about alsa
02:58<qwaz>dli: My alsa doesn't work either...
02:58<gsimmons>denied: Do you have your wireless interface now available to you? ('iwconfig')
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03:00<dli>!tell qwaz about doesn't work
03:00<qwaz>I guess my Radeon 2900XT is too new?
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03:00<dli>denied, try: iwconfig
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03:02<dli>denied, do you have access point there? check dmesg for ipw3945 or eth2
03:02<qwaz>audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed.
03:02<qwaz>dli: That was the error I received
03:03<mhash>can someone running heimdal on etch tell me how kadmind is supposed to start? is this a manual operation or does it check /etc/heimdal-kdc/kadmind.acl somehow?
03:04<denied>connecting to ap now
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03:06<dli>denied, check dmesg then
03:07<dli>denied, try: /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop; rmmod ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 disable=0 associated=1; /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart
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03:11<denied_> 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? <<--- should i get a very noisy audio ?
03:12<denied_>for my alsa
03:12<luvs>im not understand!
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03:13<dli>denied, try: aplay /dev/urandom
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03:16<denied_>denied:/home/denied# aplay /dev/urandom
03:16<denied_>Playing raw data '/dev/urandom' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
03:16<denied_>Aborted by signal Interrupt...
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03:21<denied_>sound enable
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03:26<oddtod>does any one know if i can share videos across an apache server and have it stream?
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03:32<enry>anybody can advise me a good terminal music player?
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03:33<suiside>enry: mplayer
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03:34<enry>without Gui?
03:34<suiside>enry: also mpd and xmms2 but they're more like music player daemons
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03:35<enry>i'm tring all terminal application like links2
03:36<enry>they are very good
03:36<sep>oddtod, apt-cache show icecast2
03:36<hachi>anyone know how I can solve this dep question... apt-get dist-upgrade is trying to remove postfix on me
03:36<enry>i hear about a terminal music player wich can build playlist etc... like amarok in a semi-graphical mode
03:37<hachi>I don't want it to do this
03:37<hachi>postfix is my email daemon, and I want to upgrade the system too
03:37<sep>hachi, why does it want to remove postfix then ?
03:38<hachi>that's what I'm asking
03:38<hachi>I don't know how to assert that question to apt
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03:38<sep>hachi, if you dont know how to interpret apt's output, what makes you think we can (since we dont even see the output) you can try pasting the output of your command in the paster
03:38<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
03:39<hachi>dude, there's nothing to see, watch
03:40<hachi>whoo, the following packages will be removed
03:40<hachi>I want to ask it WHY
03:40<hachi>what dependancy says to remove that package
03:40<hachi>I'm asking for the command that can get me to this information
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03:42<sep>hachi, if you type aptitude install postfix postfix-ldap postfix-pcre does it upgrade theose packages ? or atlest tell you why not ?
03:43<hachi>I need to know if aptitude is going to wait for me to confirm actions I request of it before I'm going to enter that command
03:43<hachi>can you tell me that it will? I've never used aptitude
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03:44<dli>hachi, what a big deal? you can simply apt-get install postfix to install it back after upgrade
03:45<sep>hachi, ohh ? aptitude have been recomended since sarge (in the release notes)
03:45<hachi>not a small deal, this is my email server
03:45<sep>hachi, --simulate will show you the actions without doing anything (man aptitude)
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03:46<sep>hachi, you could also try aptitude --simulate dist-upgrade
03:46<hachi>I will now, thanks
03:46<sep>and read the release notes :) since it explains better why
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03:46<hachi>well, I remember being told that I should use dselect as well
03:47<hachi>so I kinda take the recommendation of using aptitude with a grain of salt
03:47<hachi>or rather, when the release notes did... I kinda ignored it
03:47<hachi>I'm listening to you now
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03:49<sep>hachi, never listen to madmen on irc. :)
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03:49<hachi>well, it's gonna be a minute
03:49<hachi>dpkg failed to start up mysql, so now it's going to prevent me from doing anything else till I fix that
03:53<qwaz>manphiz: I installed acpi and typed "acpi -t" but got the reply "No support for device type: thermal". Any idea why?
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03:57<seanius>hachi: did you upgrade from mysql 4.x to 5.0?
03:58<hachi>no, I was installing mysql5 new
03:58<hachi>for some reason I never switched this node from postgres
03:58<ben>i got a vps with debian 3.1 from my hosting provider. I upgraded to 4.0 without problems and now I want to have a clean etch system without all the stuff which was installed (Apache, BIND, proftpd, ...) on the provided image. Is there any easy way to restore to an etch System, something like minimum etch intsllation + ssh?
03:59<seanius>ben: you could probably use some invocation of grep-dctrl to provide a list of all packages in Base/Required/Standard and diff it against your list of installed packages
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04:05<ben>how about that: i will install a new etch from netinst cd into a VMWare and read 'dpkg -l'. Afterwards I Remove all packages from the VPS which are not listed in the VMWare list with 'apt-get --purge remove'. Will that give me clean system
04:05<oddtod>how long should a two interface router set up in shorewall typically take?
04:05<seanius>ben: think that might take a bit longer, but i guess it would work
04:05<seanius>or, you could start with: grep-available -s Package -F Priority standard -o -F Priority required | awk '{print $2}' | sort
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04:06<seanius>and dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sort
04:06<seanius>and then diff the output
04:07<jm_>or simply use aptitude to purge everything not installed by default
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04:09<seanius>hachi: dont know why it would fail to start up then, unless something else was listening on the socket or there were old database files laying around
04:09<seanius>the output should be in syslog though...
04:09<ben>thanks! jm_: is there a command for the shell for that or d i have to use the menu version? (sorry, debian is completly new to me)
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04:10<seanius>ben: i think the possibility of shooting yourself in the foot is quite high with something like this though. maybe you should take a more targeted approach instead
04:10<seanius>like removing packages running daemons you dont want
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04:11<jm_>ben: aptitude purge '!~pfoo' or so
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04:13<ben>seanius: If anything bad happens I can have the original sarge image copied back to the vps within little time. I#m just looking for a quick way to start the configuration of the vps from scratch
04:14<seanius>ben: okay, so you have a closet full of replacement feet then :)
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04:17<ben>aptitude purge '!~pfoo' gives "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed" dpkg -l lists things like mysql, perl, php .... which I don't think is part of a minimal etch installation ;)
04:18<jm_>yes, you need to substitute foo with real value anyway
04:18<ben>so pfoo is the name of a package list?
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04:20<seanius>ben: my standard approach for what your doing is to find running processes (esp network-listening ones) and either remove the package or disable the init script. unless disk space is an issue i don't get too anal past that
04:20<seanius>and then if you really care the same procedure for setuid apps
04:21<jm_>no, it's a search pattern for aptitude, read its reference guide
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04:22<seanius>or you could diff the output of the two progs i metioned and actually know everything that's been installed and take it on a pacakge by package basis
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04:25<nantais44>ya kelkun
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04:27<ben>I will try aptitude purge '!~E' now, it will also remov ssh! Is there a way to tell aptitude to keep ssh?
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04:29<jm_>try following it with 'ssh+'
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04:30<Internat>anyone got a good tutorial for how to setup ups?
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04:33<ben>aptitude purge '!~E' 'ssh+' 'apt+' says: The following ESSENTIAL packages will be REMOVED!
04:33<ben> apt
04:33<ben>WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to break!
04:33<ben> Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!
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04:34<ben>ups, sorry!
04:34<jm_>bummer then
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04:36<ben>i don't think it is a good idea to remove apton a remote system. That would mean that i couldn't install anything anymore by using apt-get ??
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04:37<jm_>definitely not a good idea
04:37<jm_>but then again, ~E removes more stuff
04:40<hobophobe>Could you reinstall apt with dpkg after removing it if you had the .deb saved on that system?
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04:41<dondelelcaro>hobophobe: yes, but it's never the right thing to do
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04:42<hobophobe>Yeah. I wouldn't want to, either. He's just trying to remove everything that's not essential?
04:42<dondelelcaro>that's not what you want to do; what you want to do is mark everything that isn't essential as automatically installed, then mark anything that you really want to keep installed with unmarkauto, then run aptitude.
04:43<ben>hobophobe: yes and no, problem to solve is: i got a vps with debian 3.1 from my hosting provider. I upgraded to 4.0 without problems and now I want to have a clean etch system without all the stuff which was installed (Apache, BIND, proftpd, ...) on the provided image. Is there any easy way to restore to an etch System, something like minimum etch intsllation + ssh?
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04:43<dondelelcaro>ben: yes, aptitude markauto '!~E'; aptitude unmarkauto ssh; then run aptitude
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04:44<ben>i'm open to any easy (and maybe unsafe) way to do so (I can alway have the sarge image copiied back to the vps)
04:44<dondelelcaro>you can then run aptitude --purge-unused install;
04:44<dondelelcaro>or similar.
04:44<dondelelcaro>ben: the commands I gave above will do it safely and easily.
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04:45<ben>don: thanks, will try now
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04:48<ben>hmm, A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
04:48<ben>vs159250:~# aptitude unmarkauto ssh
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04:48<ben>-bash: /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory
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04:50<dondelelcaro>well, you removed aptitude, because it's not essential.
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04:50<dondelelcaro>so install it, and also umarkauto it
04:50<ben>ok, got it back with apt-get install aptitude
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04:51<Anon400>hola alguien me puede ayudar
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04:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:53<Anon400>listo grasias
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04:58<ben>dondelecare: done that aptitude ist removed after aptitude --purge-unused install but dpkg still lists stuff like PHP
05:01<ben>will now try aptitude purge '!~E' and see what will happen to apt
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05:04<ben>well, surprise: it failed ok will copy back the image and start over now!
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05:11<marc7>why *wouldn't* you choose to enable MD5 passwords as part of a debian install?
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05:14<azeem>marc7: dunno, maybe interoperation with legacy systems
05:14<azeem>marc7: were you asked about it during install?
05:15<marc7>azeem: putting a preseed file together, seems like a silly option at this point
05:15<azeem>users don't see pressed files
05:20<marc7>true... i was just wondering if i could disable it in favor of something better... but I realize the fallacy of that argument now. okay, let's see how this works!
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05:22<Trollinator>Can someone tell me when 2.6.22 will be released into sid?
05:22<Trollinator>it comes with a new device driver that i need...
05:23<azeem>two weeks ago
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05:25<Trollinator>so i have to install it explicitly and not with aptitude safe-upgrade...
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05:25<joefsoD>is there a xampp deb ?
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05:26<Trollinator>azeem: i don't understand this. I have deb sid main in my sources.list, and yet i don't find 2.6.22...
05:26<Metalqga>i've lost my connection 4 hours ago
05:26<Metalqga>4 lost hours
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05:27<Metalqga>how can i find out what's wrong?
05:27<azeem>Trollinator: don't use, use a mirror
05:28<Trollinator>azeem: i'Ve done just that and now i have it.
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05:29<Trollinator>hum, there is no smp kernel any more, what do i use now?
05:29<Trollinator>(Athon 64 4000+, Dual Core)
05:29<Trollinator>i want to stay on 32 Bit though.
05:30<Metalqga>Jul 26 10:00:25 localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
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06:08<faderhval>hello :)
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06:11<faderhval>i have another newbie question for ya... how do you use the get command in smb get --help gives me nothing
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06:16<jm_>faderhval: what is "in smb"?
06:17<faderhval>my music folder dir's and mp3 files
06:17<jm_>that doesn't make sense to me
06:17<witte>faderhval: why do you want to use smb like that and not just mount it...
06:17<Hamael>how do i terminate a proces that runs in the background?
06:18<faderhval>witte: i didn't know you could do that
06:18<witte>Hamael: kill <process id>, or killall <process name>
06:18<gsimmons>faderhval: If you're using smbclient, use 'help get' or read the smbclient man page. If you have the CIFS share mounted, just use 'cp' (et al).
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06:19<Hamael>witte: what if i don't know the proces name or id, just that it uses a lot of ram
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06:19<witte>Hamael: your ram is there for being used
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06:20<witte>Hamael, but if there is a program that 'hangs', you can see it with top, or ps
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06:20<Hamael>i remember there was some sort of commmand to get a list of running apps
06:21<witte>Hamael: windows neglects the fact that you paid a lot of money for your ram, in linux, things stay in ram untill something else needs it
06:21<witte>Hamael: ps or top can do that
06:21<Hamael>thanks a lot
06:23<Hamael>witte: one more thing, i need to mount my ntfs drive
06:24<witte>Hamael: that should be no problem, mount it as any other drive, (maybe with option -t nfts)
06:24<witte>Hamael, i do not know how good write support for ntfs is at the moment
06:24<witte>reading is no problem, but writing to it used to be a problem (I am not aware of hte current status)
06:25<dpkg>ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish.
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06:26<witte>!tell Hamael -about ntfsro
06:26<witte>!tell Hamael about ntfsrw
06:26<faderhval>how does one go about mounting a shared folder? mount -t //faderwin/dir /mountpoint ??
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06:29<witte>faderhval: mount -t cifs //host/shared_dir /mount/point
06:29<witte>faderhval: you can give options if you want (see man mount)
06:29<faderhval>what is the cifs?
06:30<Hamael>!ask ntfs-3g
06:30<witte>faderhval: that is sort of samba (don't know exactly what the difference is)
06:30<witte>Hamael: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
06:31<faderhval>so i need to install cifs first? o
06:31<witte>faderhval: i think you need to install smbfs
06:31<faderhval>i think i have that
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06:33<Mourad>!tell Hamael about ntfsrw
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06:34<faderhval>says cifs filesystem not supported by the system
06:35<witte>faderhval: then try without hte -t cifs option
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06:36<faderhval>it worked :) thanks alot
06:37<witte>faderhval: normally the cifs option should also work, but i have not the time to look into that
06:37<jm_>well modprobe cifs first obviously
06:38<witte>jm_: ah, indeed
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06:41<witte>faderhval: modprobe loads modules ("drivers"): modprobe cifs to load the module for cifs
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06:42<faderhval>aha... good to know thank you
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06:44<denied>i have problem with compiz
06:44<denied>what did i missed ?
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06:49<Eulex>denied, you don't use aiglx nor xgl?
06:49<denied>i follow from
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06:52<denied>im very new to linux
06:52<Hamael>I don't know the name of the partition in gonna get ntfs support for is called
06:52<SixF9>Hamael: fdisk -l <device>
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06:55<Hamael>hamael@The-Watcher:~$ fdisk -l hda
06:55<Hamael>bash: fdisk: command not found
06:56<gsimmons>Hamael: It's 'fdisk -l /dev/hda'. You'll also need to run it as root.
06:56<padski>Hamael: you are not root, sbin is not in your path
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06:59[~]Mourad slaps witte around a bit with a large trout
07:00<azeem>Mourad: stop that
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07:00<witte>Mourad: what do you want?
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07:05<vinnie>I'm trying to write to my FAT32 partition but I cannot make the directory(/media/winlinux) writable for all users, I'm using the command "sudo chmod -R 777 /media/winlinux)"
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07:06<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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07:07<vinnie>My fstab line is "/dev/sda6 /media/winlinux vfat users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0" which works on my other linux isntallation
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07:22<Hamael>ny ntfs drive is sda5
07:23<Hamael>hox do i open fstab
07:23<Hamael>just whit text editor?
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07:24<ranix>gotta edit it as root
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07:24<matthewpoer>does anybody know how in the heck Ubuntu 7.04 can run Beryl/Compiz out-of-the-box and a similar machine running Debian Etch just can't run it?
07:25<matthewpoer>Have they uber hacked Xorg?
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07:28<amphi>matthewpoer: no; I ran beryl fine on etch
07:28<matthewpoer>what type of video card?
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07:28<chealer>matthewpoer: what you have to do to get the Etch machine to run them should give you a hint
07:28<matthewpoer>from what I read on the subject, that is the biggest variable
07:29<amphi>matthewpoer: old mobility radeon, supported by the free driver
07:29<amphi>matthewpoer: there are no xgl debian packages, which fglrx victims need
07:29<matthewpoer>yeah, i was using the ati driver (also tried the fglrx and radeon) on my Radeon 9600
07:29<matthewpoer>but ubuntu runs on the radeon 9200 just fine
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07:30<matthewpoer>and in the for Ubuntu, composite isn't inabled
07:30<matthewpoer>and AIGLX isn't mentioned (it's running though, i checked)
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07:31<matthewpoer>so is it that 7.2 is just so superior to 7.1?
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07:31<matthewpoer>or is ubuntu rocking with some configurations that I can't find?
07:32<Pingu_lady>how can i extract a tar.bz2 to a specific directory?
07:33<skrewz>Pingu_lady: cd to it first?
07:33<chealer>matthewpoer: as I wrote, what you have to do to get the Etch machine to run them should give you a hint
07:33<Pingu_lady>what u mean? the file is on /home/USER/Desktop and i want to exttract it to /tmp
07:34<chealer>Pingu_lady: using what tool?
07:34<Pingu_lady>no tool...command line
07:34<matthewpoer>the Etch machine doesn't run them. The Ubunu machine does, and out-of-the-box. I copied the xorg.conf file over to the Etch machine and it still does not work.
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07:35<skrewz>Pingu_lady: cd /tmp && tar xf /home/USER/Desktop/file.tar.bz2?
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07:35<Pingu_lady>lemme try
07:36<Pingu_lady>sweeet:D thanks:)
07:36<skrewz>Pingu_lady: np.
07:37<Pingu_lady>im tryng to install proftpd , any qproblem i have im gonna bug u again :D
07:37<witte>Pingu_lady: from source?
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07:38<Pingu_lady>witte, yap, compilling
07:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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07:38<witte>Pingu_lady: why not using apt-get/aptitude
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07:39<Pingu_lady>im new at linux, i rather to install .deb files but i must learn compilling too :P
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07:39<witte>Pingu_lady: i recommend that you install it using "apt-get install proftpd" and learn compiling on something small
07:39<chealer>matthewpoer: well, you should probably first get the Etch machine to run them, then wonder what Debian does differently.
07:39<Hamael>how to i change fstab as root?
07:39<skrewz>Pingu_lady: Then use `apt-get source proftpd` in some directory. The sources for Debian packages are always close by.
07:40<witte>Pingu_lady: or do what skrewz says
07:40<witte>Pingu_lady: but in debian, i think you should use its strength, not trying to reinvent the wheel
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07:41<Pingu_lady>i tried to compile gaim-vv but no sucessfull :P thats what u call a "small one"? lol
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07:41<witte>Pingu_lady: yes :-)
07:42<skrewz>Pingu_lady: Homeroll your own Linux -- that's a relevant task to know.
07:42<Pingu_lady>what u mean by that? sorry im portuguise:)
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07:43<skrewz>Pingu_lady: Linux, your kernel, is probably some Debian ``stock'' kernel, which was compiled for all of us on some Debian machine. You've just installed the binary package of it.
07:43<Pingu_lady>im running Ubuntu 7.04
07:43<Hamael>i tried vim /etc/fstab to change it, but didnt figure out how to add things
07:43<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>.
07:43<skrewz>Pingu_lady: I'm suggesting that you fetch the Linux source code and try the compiling process yourself. To get used to it.
07:44<gsimmons>Hamael: You might be more comfortable using nano (eg. 'nano /etc/fstab') instead. It's most likely installed as your default editor.
07:44<skrewz>Hamael: Vim isn't your best choice of bare-bones editor. :)
07:44<skrewz>Hamael: Try `nano /etc/fstab`.
07:44<Pingu_lady>skrewz, where should i start?
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07:45<jaski>Hi there. I\m running the current Etch distro on limited legacy hardware. How feasible is it to use a 500MB swapfile on a win98 drive, instead of using a normal Linux swap partn?
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07:45<skrewz>Pingu_lady: `aptitude install linux-source-2.6`. You should dive into reading articles about it first. They can't be hard to find.
07:45<skrewz>jaski: Sure you need swap?
07:45<Oz``>Hi, i have a problem in linux with wine and steam, when i try to run a game i obtain this message : Error initializing gl driver, check that the file'opengl32.dll , anyone know how to run Steam game on Linux?
07:46<Hamael>Thanks skrewz and gsimmons
07:46<padski>jaski: "win98 drive", you mean a swapfile on fat32 ?
07:46<witte>skrewz: i think he only needs proftpd, not the entire kernel
07:46<skrewz>witte: (s?)He wants to get used to compiling, (s)he said.
07:47<jaski>padski: Yes
07:47<Pingu_lady>skrewz, did u install proftpd allready?
07:47<suiside>Oz``: try #wine on freenode, I doubt you'll find information about that here
07:47<skrewz>Pingu_lady: Yes...?
07:47<Oz``>thks ;)
07:47<jaski>skrewz: I NEED swap!
07:47<Pingu_lady>pinto@peace:/tmp/proftpd-1.3.0a$ sudo proftpd
07:47<Pingu_lady> - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'peace' error: No address associated with hostname
07:47<Pingu_lady>peace - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket
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07:47<Pingu_lady>cant run it.....
07:47<witte>skrewz: well, it is interesting that you point the person in question to compiling the kernel, if you skrew that up, you can do some damage to the system
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07:48<skrewz>jaski: Most of us don't. But if you do, I wouldn't go fo such untraditional approaches. Rather the hazzle of reinstalling properly.
07:48<Pingu_lady>witte, i can do it on my "server/testing" pc so i dont screw up my desktop :)
07:48<Internat>is there a way maybe sudo or something simular, that i can make it that a user can chown files to list of other users?
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07:49<padski>jaski: try it. will be better if the swapfile is not badly fragmented, but otherwise I don't see it makes a lot of difference.
07:49<Hamael>How do i save and exit when im done edting?
07:49<skrewz>witte: I disagree. You don't damage the system, unless you stress yourself to the point that you do it willfully. However, once it is mastered to homeroll, you should be comfortable doing many other things.
07:50<padski>jaski: you might want to fsck the fat filesystem each time before you use it ;-)
07:50<skrewz>Hamael: Assuming it is nano, use Ctrl-O to save (press enter for the default filename) and Ctrl-X for exiting.
07:51<Hamael>skrewz: thanks again
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07:52<jaski>skrewz: I have 2 4GB drives, 1 for win98 *unfortunately still necessary) and 1 for linux. The latter has 2 partns, i.e. linux + 300 MB swap. Mt machine has just spent 10 (ten) hours swapping after I visited
07:52<skrewz>jaski: Did you have the patience to sit through that?
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07:53<jaski>padski: I fsck'd the win98 drive before creating a swapfile. but it doesn't get mounted a system boot (/dev/hda1 gets mounted first of course)
07:53<skrewz>jaski: In any case, it is still too long for it to be a swap problem.
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07:55<AcidX>can anyone help me install some programs on debian VPS ?
07:56<skrewz>AcidX: Elaborate. Which programs?
07:56<AcidX>i will pase private :) soo i won't flood channel
07:57<jaski>skrewz: I think was a race condition between opera (latest) starting helper programs and swap activity. It didn't end normally - I just killed opera in the end. I slept through about 5 hrs.
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07:59<Internat>anyone know if with ncftp you can set a keepalive/ping on the control channel?
08:00<petemc>your questions are in stereo
08:03<jaski>Can anyone tell me if the following line is legal in fstab (the win32 partn. gets mounted first): /media/hda1/LNXswap none swap sw 0 0
08:04<jm_>you mean to use swapfile?
08:04<jm_>in that case yes
08:04<jaski>jm_: yep
08:04<Hamael>what does gid mean?
08:04<jm_>group ID
08:04<jaski>jm_: any idea why it doesn't get mounted at system boot?
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08:05<Hamael>and uid?
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08:05<azeem>Hamael: man chmod
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08:07<jm_>jaski: try adding auto option
08:07<jm_>jaski: although swapon -a should work for all that don't have noauto set
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08:08<jaski>jm_: do you mean "sw,auto"?
08:08<jm_>jaski: did you check if it calls swapon -a for you? did you check bootlog? did you mkswap the file?
08:08<jm_>jaski: well ignore that for now, it shouldn't be needed
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08:09<stuart>i just downloaded lame from sourceforge (in the hope of getting an mp3 encoder). Havent compiled/installed stuff manually before. How do I use the make install command thing?
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08:09<witte>!tell stuart about debian-multimedia
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08:10<jaski>jm_: mkswap has been done and I can mount it with swapon /media/hda1/LNXswap
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08:11<stuart>witte: i trust sourceforge more than some 3rd party repository?
08:11<jm_>jaski: does swapon -a also do the job? that's what init scripts call
08:11<stuart>!tell stuart about debian-multimedia.etch
08:12<witte>stuart: well, is not in debian because of legal issues only. You can trust whatever you want, but this one is quite trustworthy
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08:13<Hamael>i added this"/dev/sda5 /mnt/windows-ntfs ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" line to fcstab and nothin happened, do i have to reboot or sumthin?
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08:13<Pryon>mount -a
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08:13<jaski>jm_: swapon -a works. Is "bootlog" /var/log/boot?
08:13<stuart>witte: ok ... run # echo "deb etch main
08:13<stuart>what does that mean?
08:13<Hamael>mount: mount point /mnt/windows-ntfs does not exist
08:14<gsimmons>Hamael: It will be mounted during your next boot, but nothing is automatically mounted after an fstab amendment.
08:14<stuart>!tell stuart about apt-key 1F41B907
08:14<witte>stuart: that means add the "deb http..." stuff to the back of your /etc/apt/sources.list file
08:14<Hamael>gsimmons: ok, il be back after reboot then
08:14<gsimmons>Hamael: No, you don't need to. 'mount -a' will suffice.
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08:15<Pryon>the mount point must exist.... he's going to be disappointed
08:15<witte>stuart: the one who wrote that likes doing stuff command line and cryptic i guess :-)
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08:15<jaski>jm_: cat /var/log/boot returns "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
08:16<jm_>jaski: do you have bootlogd enabled?
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08:17<AcidX>anyone help me install some files on debian VPS :)
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08:17<petemc>AcidX: you need to ask specific questions
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08:18<stuart>wiite: ok, have added it sources.list, but how to accept that source via synaptic (get an unverified signature error)
08:18<jaski>jm_: Where would I look to find out (ps axl doesn't find it and the system has been up for abt 3 days)
08:18<AcidX>it's much programs for install
08:18<AcidX>because i need VHCS panel
08:18<AcidX>and it needs apache sql itc.
08:18<jm_>jaski: it stops running at the end of boot process -- see /etc/default/bootlogd
08:18<witte>!tell stuart about apt-key 1F41B907
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08:19<petemc>AcidX: you would probably be best following a guide
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08:19<stuart>witte: yeah i read that already, but didnt understand it :)
08:19<AcidX>petemc i will paste you on pvt what things do i must install
08:19<petemc>AcidX: dont bother
08:19<witte>stuart: you have to do that
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08:19<witte>just select it, and paste it in a terminal
08:19<jaski>jm_: Thanx (BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No). I'll fix that
08:20<AcidX>ok then...
08:20<AcidX>tnx anyway...
08:20<stuart>witte: copy and past as is into a terminal window?
08:20<petemc>AcidX: did you try following a guide?
08:20<witte>stuart: yes: select is with your mouse, and use your middle mouse button to paste
08:20<AcidX>i don't find a guide for all of that :S
08:20<AcidX>it's like :
08:20<AcidX>* VHCS
08:20<AcidX>* Postfix (Version 2 or greater)
08:20<AcidX>* ProFTPd
08:20<AcidX>* Apache (Version 2 or greater)
08:20<AcidX>* Courier POP3 and IMAP
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08:20<AcidX>blah :S
08:20<petemc>AcidX: you need to learn how to search
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08:21<petemc>AcidX: the first hit when googling for "install vhcs debian" seems relevant
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08:21<AcidX>ok wait
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08:22<AcidX>i will try :)
08:22<AcidX>can anyone tell me what is the code too look which processes are running and terminate them?
08:22<petemc>ps aux
08:23<petemc>stopping them depends on the process
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08:24<stuart>witte; thanks -- eventually got it to work... hee hee
08:25<gsimmons>AcidX: It would appear that VHCS is packaged for use with Etch <>. Installing the 'vhcs' package would also install for you the necessary dependent software.
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08:26<ranix>my mailserver is blocked by AT&T bellsouth and I called them to try to fix this. Their postmaster address has me blacklisted too
08:26<AcidX>i think that i must install it myself :/
08:27<ranix>the first person in tech support said that this is impossible because they don't blacklist anyone, and transferred me to BILLING. Billing got confused and transferred me to tech support management, who told me to contact my ISP. When I told them I WAS my mail service provider she promptly said "no, call cox" and hung up
08:27<gsimmons>AcidX: Great. Read the wiki.
08:28<petemc>ranix: surely you have a log of an attempted delivery?
08:28<gsimmons>AcidX: No private messages, please.
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08:28<petemc>AcidX: i have to ask, why do you think you cant use a packaged version?
08:28<jaski>Thanx folks, gotta go
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08:29<AcidX>dunno :S
08:29<AcidX>apt-get install vhcs*
08:29<ranix>Yes, petemc, it's rejected at SMTP transaction time by whichever bellsouth server with a 521
08:29<AcidX>is that command for packed version?
08:29<petemc>can you stop typing nicks on an otherwise empty line
08:29<gsimmons>AcidX: You'd want to include 'deb etch main' within your /etc/apt/sources.list. The VHCS wiki appears to have much more information regarding this topic.
08:29<petemc>ranix: and they argue its not?
08:29<AcidX>ok tnx
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08:30<ranix>basically yeah
08:30<petemc>AcidX: gsimmons told you someone has created a debian package, which was documented on the vhcs site
08:30<ranix>I just got told by the fourth person to sign up for gmail to send email to my coworker
08:31<AcidX>petemc i will try that quick start :)
08:31<AcidX>hwo do i kill pids?
08:31<petemc>thats the spirit
08:31<petemc>AcidX: it depends what the processes are
08:31<ranix>good lord and the government wants to recombine the telecommunications providers in the US into one monolithic AT&T again
08:31<ranix>and nobody understands why this is bad
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08:32<AcidX>petemc looks like there is already running apache2 and courir and soo on, but when i did apt-get update or upgrade don't know
08:32<AcidX>my VHCS stoped working, and i want to install all again
08:32<petemc>AcidX: you can control daemons by their init scripts in /etc/init.d/
08:33<AcidX>what does that mean :)
08:33<petemc>if you dont know that, you'll probably find reinstalling vhcs troublesome
08:33<petemc>if not impossible
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08:35<AcidX>can't i just kill processes and start fresh install?
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08:36<stuart>witte; you still there
08:36<witte>stuart: yes
08:37<stuart>witte: i installed lame via the multimedia repository you told me to add. however audacity needs to be pointed to and it doesn't seem to be anywhere?
08:38<stuart>witte: unless the search is ignoring hidden files or something///
08:38<AcidX>how can i delite apache2 and other things
08:38<AcidX>and start fresh install?
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08:39<witte>stuart: euhm, i do not know. I also can't find
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08:40<stuart>witte: do you have anything installed that can export an mp3?
08:40<seanius>stuart: apt-get install liblame0
08:41<seanius>i'm surprised that lame doesn't depend on that
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08:42<stuart>seanius: ok, but still can't find
08:43<witte>stuart: it should be in /usr/lib/
08:43<stuart>ok hang on
08:43<seanius>stuart: try ls /usr/lib/libmp3lame*
08:43<seanius>it probably has a soname in the filename like
08:44<AcidX>blah noone anwsers me :S
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08:45<AcidX>blah ill go somewhere else...
08:45<seanius>AcidX: already answered that one today
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08:46<stuart>there are a couple of possibilities... and another with more zeros
08:46<seanius>stuart: you should take the one with the shortest name, as it points to the current one
08:46<stuart>ahh ok thank you
08:46<stuart>lemme try it
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08:48<stuart>ok, thank you both -- seems to be working
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09:01<Ming>how do i make debian give a motd when just logged in?
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09:04<padski>Ming: it does by default. see contents of /etc/motd
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09:12<serge>Hello! I've got trouble using LPRng under Etch 4.0. The problem is that there is dot matrix printer Epson FX-1170, and the system makes printing garbage instead of cyrillic symbols. ..I recode the text file to cp866, but uses wrong filter to spool it. Here is a piece of filter log: cat - | asc-to-ps.fpi | ps-to-printer.fpi | /usr/lib/printfilters/directprint /var/spool/lpd/lp3/acc
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09:13<serge>Can anybody help me pls?
09:14<serge>Here is my princap Printer:\
09:14<serge> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp3:\
09:14<serge> :mx#0:\
09:14<serge> :sh:\
09:14<serge> :if=/usr/lib/printfilters/master-filter:\
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09:15<serge> :TOPBOTMAR=18:\
09:15<serge> :
09:15<serge>Excuse me pls
09:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
09:15<witte>serge: don't paste, and if you are not attached to lprng, maybe you can try cups, which is much easier to configure imho
09:15<witte>!tell serge about cups
09:16<serge>..ok. Our experience shows CUPS is not good for us for some reason
09:16<serge>I have to quit CUPS
09:17<witte>serge: ok, just thought that you may not know about it
09:17<serge>how to change the behavior of existing system
09:18<serge>we send the tast as follows: lpr -P rpintername textCP866.txt
09:18<serge>we send the task as follows: lpr -P printername textCP866.txt
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09:20<serge>it should not use the chain asc-to-ps | ps-to-printer, but asc-to-printer directly. How to force lpr to do so?
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09:48<Zap-W>anyway dpkg utility can auto fetch dependecies for .deb packages being installed
09:49<dondelelcaro>Zap-W: no, but you can easily make an apt archive and install them using that.
09:49<Eulex>use apt-get or aptitude?
09:49<petemc>no, thats whats apt-get etc ate for
09:49<dondelelcaro>(or just dpkg -i them, and apt-get -f install)
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10:04<lontra>my ipod with rockbox on it is no longer being prompted for mounting in kde ... i need to mount it via CLI ... any ideas what i can do to fix this?
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10:11<rjent>Greetings, any ideas on foomatic-rip failed on an HP-1600 laserjet?
10:12<rjent>Greetings, s/laserjet/color laserjet/
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10:22<hermit>hello, all. could you please advice how to setup permanent file permissions. our application constantly changes ownership of the files from one user to another
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10:23<dondelelcaro>hermit: which applicationi is this?
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10:23<hermit>it is atrex - inventory and sales app
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10:24<pengol>hi there which name under dev identify the gprs modem connected trough irda under udev?
10:24<dondelelcaro>hermit: well, you can chattr +i; them, but you really should fix that application.
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10:25<lutz>hali valaki magyarul
10:26<hermit>the ownership is constantly changed between users, depends which user last opened some invoice the ownerships belongs to him
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10:26<hermit>i dont believe that is the application, seems that i cant set the right file permissions
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10:27[~]eliadosom say hello
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10:28<hermit>thank you very much for the help dondelcaro
10:29<pengol>is it possible to have the phone connected to the irda port mapped to a /dev device ?
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10:29<dondelelcaro>hermit: oh, that's perfectly normal
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10:30<dondelelcaro>hermit: all you want to do is make sure is that the files all get the same group and all users are in the group
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10:32<hermit>dendelcaro: i have that, no problem. i set chmod -R ug=rwx,o-r and everything is ok for some time, until some user inserts data in the application and modifies the data structure and permissions.
10:33<hermit>after that another user cant access that data, ""locked read-only data-set""
10:33<iv>hello. iwconfig don't change mode from managed to ad-hoc.. "invalid argument" .. what happened?
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10:33<dondelelcaro>hermit: what are the permissions on the file after that? what about the permissions on the surrounding directory?
10:34<dondelelcaro>hermit: also, what are the user's umasks?
10:34<lontra>hal handles automounting in kde right?
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10:41<hermit>the file permissions after the change are -rwxr--r-- user user file
10:42<hermit>how can i check the users umasks ??
10:43<ifvoid>hermit: umask
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10:47<pengol>anybody can helps with gprs connection with irda?
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10:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:51<pengol>is it possible to map a gprs modem connected to a irda port to a serial port under dev?
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10:52<ifvoid>define "map"
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10:53<pengol>ifvoid: i need a serial device for pppd
10:54<pengol>with /dev I just pointe to ttyS1
10:54<ifvoid>the irda port is a serial port
10:54<pengol>what is its name with udev?
10:54<ifvoid>well, there's no way to tell which device ttyS1 is
10:55<pengol>which device is my serial port?
10:55<ifvoid>how am I supposed to know?
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10:55<ifvoid>check /sys or your logs to see which ttyS the irda thingy is
10:56<pengol>ifvoid: it says irda0
10:56<pengol>drivers/net/irda/stir4200.c: IrDA: Registered SigmaTel device irda0
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10:57<pengol>ifvoid: does it correspond to a ttySX?
10:57<ifvoid>there is no fixed mapping
10:57<pengol>how do I know which device is binded to?
10:57<ifvoid>it totally depends on the drivers and on which other devices you have
10:57<ifvoid>check /sys/
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10:58<ifvoid>there should probably be some relevant directory under /sys/class
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11:01<ranix>/dev/irda0 is actually a serial device
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11:01<ranix>you can even point a console there from your bootloader as a kernel option if you want to
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11:01<ranix>so there shouldn't be a problem interfacing with it
11:01<ranix>what seems to be the problem, ifvoid ?
11:02<ifvoid>I was trying to help petemc
11:02<ranix>oh sorry
11:02<ranix>scrolled off my screen
11:02<ifvoid>oh, he probably left
11:02<ranix>ah, weird
11:02<ranix>oh well
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11:09<blade>my usb camera isnt detected in debian....
11:09<blade>cud someone help me please?
11:10<Eulex>define 'isnt detected'
11:10<lupine_>blade: what chipset is it?
11:10<blade>of the camera?
11:10<blade>how do i find out?
11:10<ranix>google the model number
11:10<blade>its a dce 400
11:11<lupine_>the output of lsusb when it's plugged in would be handy
11:11<dpkg>Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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11:11<blade>k, hold on
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11:11<lupine_>most cameras are supported by the gspca module, which needs installing additionally
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11:12[~]Aleric found a bug in bash.
11:12<Aleric>Type this:
11:12<blade>well, lsusb isnt giving anything, and dmesh now says this:
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11:12<blade>ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:02.0 disabled
11:12<lupine_85>if the camera is plugged in and not broken, it'll have some sort of line in lsusb
11:13<lupine_85>something like "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04fc:5330 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd"
11:13<blade>but the pci interrupt seems to be disabled
11:13<blade>lsusb doesnt give any output
11:13<Brudus>sorry for the stupid question but can anyone explain to me how to install a program.
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11:13<lupine_85>Brudus: apt-get install <program name> if it's in the repositories
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11:14<lupine_85>or install synaptic (gnome) or adept (kde) for a GUI
11:14<JasonS>Brudus: apt-get install, aptitude install, synaptec
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11:14<blade>any idea how to enable the pci interrupt?
11:14<lupine_85>blade: broken ACPI implementation? That's a bit beyond me... try starting the kernel with 'acpi=off' in the bootline
11:14<blade>ok, will be back
11:15<Brudus>i downloaded the archive and extracted it. I tried synaptec but i don't know what exactly to select.
11:15<lupine_85>Brudus: which program is it?
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11:15<lupine_85>source or binary?
11:16<JasonS>Brudus: why didn't you just install the debian release?
11:16<JasonS>its called iceweasel now in stable
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11:17<blade>ok, it says Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0409:0020 NEC Corp
11:18<Brudus>I extracted it from the archive. I belive it might be binary. I really don't know. I can't select anything in Synaptic, i have it open right now.
11:18<blade>what do i do now?
11:19[~]lupine_85 looks for blade
11:19<lupine_85>Brudus: synaptic only deals with .deb files
11:19<JasonS>Brudus: once again why not use the debian release? apt-get install iceweasel assuming you stable or higher
11:19<lupine_85>if you absolutely can't live without firefox, and can't use iceweasel, then if it's binary "./firefox" will run it
11:20<lupine_85>you can add the path to the executable to your $PATH, so it gets executed when you just type "firefox"
11:20<lupine_85>not really recommended, though
11:20<blade>umm.... any help?
11:20[~]fxiny checks webrunner
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11:21<fxiny>hmmm : pretty fast
11:21<lupine_85>blade: try "apt-get install gspca-modules-$(uname -r)" then modprobe gspca
11:22<kop>Does aptitude look for it's config in /etc/apt/apt.conf? The man page seems to say it always looks in ~/.aptitude/config
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11:22<lupine_85>if it's supported (and ~250 models are), it should show up in v4l applications then
11:22<lupine_85>although, you'll probably need to create /dev/video0
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11:23<lupine_85>mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
11:23<Aleric>probably not
11:23<lupine_85>I did
11:23<Aleric>udev makes that
11:23<lupine_85>not for me, it didn't
11:23<lupine_85>although it was in /dev/.static
11:23<frank>kop: aptitude normally watches also for /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*
11:23<Aleric>You don't have kernel 2.6?
11:23<Aleric>So, no need to create that node.
11:23<lupine_85>again: I did
11:24<kop>frank : Thanks. That's what I'd expect, because man apt.conf says so, but better safe than sorry.
11:24<blade>doesnt have those exact drivers, so will install gspca for 2.6.18 do?
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11:24<blade>mine is
11:24<lupine_85>blade: $(uname -r) is replaced by your kernel version
11:24<blade>i know that
11:24<lupine_85>modules will only work for the kernel they're compiled for
11:24<fxiny>hmmm , this mozilla webrunner thing looks promisiong for old boxen
11:25<kop>frank : Which would be better to fiddle with /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/<something>?
11:25<blade>so what do i do now?
11:25<blade>mine is
11:25<blade>it doesnt have those
11:25<lupine_85>there's a gspca-source
11:25<blade>ok, will do
11:25<lupine_85>probably works with module-assistant
11:26<blade>will the installation of gspca-source working normally with ./configure make make install?
11:26<lupine_85>probably, but I always use m-a
11:28<blade>whats that?
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11:28<dpkg>somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
11:28<lupine_85>m-a a-i gspca
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11:29<blade>ok, whats a-i?
11:29<blade>ok, thanks
11:30<blade>ok, its installing
11:30<blade>what do i do after modprobing it?
11:30<lupine_85>make sure /dev/video0 is present, then run vlc (I'd suggest) and try to get a feed
11:31<blade>its a digital camera, not a video cam
11:31<blade>oh, ok
11:31<blade>not a webcam
11:32[~]lupine_85 self-defenestrates
11:32<Aleric>I don't have a digital camera
11:32<lupine_85>so you just want to get pre-taken photos off it, or...?
11:32<Aleric>I just saw you guys talk about gspca
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11:32<blade>and gspca wont install
11:32<blade>error processing gspca-modules- (--install):
11:32<blade> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
11:33<lupine_85>it, um, should just show up as an sd?? device
11:33<lupine_85>that you can mount
11:33<blade>but its not
11:33<blade>dmesg gives some errors
11:33<lupine_85>e.g. mount /dev/sdb -t vfat /media/floppy
11:33<blade>but shudnt dmesg show it as /dev/sdb first?
11:34<blade>which it isnt..
11:35<lupine_85>you should get a line like usb-storage: device found at 4
11:35<lupine_85>also like scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
11:35<blade>wait, i'll put the dmesh output on wastebin
11:35<blade>whats the url again?
11:35[~]Aleric notes that Google translates a french page with "m-a" into "my" ...
11:35<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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11:36<blade>the whole dmesg output
11:37<fxiny>must be a beatles fan : michelle m-a belle ...
11:37<lupine_85>so the camera's turned on and in talking mode? ("MSDC" here)
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11:38<lupine_85>well, it should be loading and using the usb-storage module
11:38<blade>....but it isnt
11:38<lupine_85>so either the kernel is being silly, or your camera isn't supported as a USB mass storage devicwe
11:38<lupine_85>I strongly suspect the former
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11:39<blade>so what do i do next?
11:39<blade>iv tried it on several distros
11:39<lupine_85>do you have the usb-storage module?
11:39<blade>lemme check
11:39<lupine_85>are the photos stored on internal ram or a flash card?
11:39<blade>atleast, mod-probe doesnt give any not present errors
11:40<blade>presumably a flash card
11:40<blade>it works in win98
11:40<blade>with the drivers supplied with the device
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11:40<lupine_85>how about in later versions of windows without any drivers at all?
11:41<blade>atleast, not in xp
11:41<lupine_85>it's not using usb mass storage, then...
11:41<lupine_85>something stupid and custom
11:41<lupine_85>so your best bet would be to get a reader for that flash card
11:41<blade>so no way i can make it work by loading some modules or anything?
11:42<lupine_85>not unless you write your own driver, I suspecrt
11:42<witte>blade: i am sorry, not following, but which device do you want to attach? a camera?
11:42<blade>lupine_85: brilliant :(
11:42<venkatesh>what kind of camera?
11:42<blade>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0409:0020 NEC Corp.
11:43<venkatesh>and any idea what protocol it uses to communicate?
11:43<blade>digital camera
11:43<Aleric>It should just work... plug in the USB :p
11:43<lupine_85>venkatesh: 0409:0020
11:43<lupine_85>not compatible with usb mass storage
11:43<venkatesh>some cameras use PTP instead of mass storage
11:43<Aleric>I heard that it works like a drive, no?
11:43<lupine_85>(otherwise it'd "just work" in XP)
11:44<blade>venkatesh: so what do i do next?
11:44<blade>write my own driver?
11:44<venkatesh>libgphoto and libptp can talk to ptp devices
11:44<venkatesh>(my camera only speaks ptp; I need to import w/ f-spot)
11:44<lupine_85> - worth a try
11:44<blade>how do i do that?
11:44<lupine_85>probably in the repos
11:45<lupine_85>I didn't know about this protocol, I must admit
11:45<blade>ok, will try it out
11:45<blade>thanks for helping
11:45<blade>sorry, but gotta go for dinner now...
11:46<blade>and i installed gspca successfully
11:46<blade>will that work?
11:46<blade>or does it workonly for usb storage?
11:46<witte>blade: look at this one as well, and gphoto
11:46<lupine_85>gspca is completely different, and unneeded
11:46<blade>witte: ok
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11:47<blade>someone suggested that
11:47<blade>well, later
11:47<blade>and thanks a lot again
11:47<blade>will look at gphoto and ptp
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11:51<ranix>in linux, when you have trouble installing a webcam and succeed, you feel a sense of accomplishment and know you'll be able to do it easier next time
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11:52<ranix>in windows, when you have trouble installing a webcam and succeed, you feel exasperated and annoyed and have learned nothing
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11:52<venkatesh>webcams aren't the worst offenders - I never got bluetooth sucessfully working under windows
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11:53<venkatesh>there's the set of stacks, the hunting for the right order to install drivers
11:54<ranix>The only time I have agreed with the OSS-mentality of "I would rather have no driver than a binary-only driver" has been in Linux with ndiswrapper
11:55<ranix>I think the ndiswrapper project should just stop
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11:55<lupine_85>nah, ndiswrapper is amazing
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11:56<lupine_85>well, when it works it is ;)
11:57<ranix>I have a personal problem with any network hardware manufacturer that doesn't release drivers for linux and bsd
11:57<lupine_85>so only buy ralink drivers
11:58<lupine_85>erm, cards
11:58<venkatesh>don't forget cisco
11:58<lupine_85>it is - as you pointed out - a personal problem
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11:58<ranix>I don't believe that it's an entirely subjective dislike
11:58<lupine_85>and from a technical point of view, ndiswrapper is brilliant
11:58<ranix>that is true, however it encourages bad behavious
11:59<lupine_85>it's a question of morality. That instantly places it in the realms of subjectivitiyu
11:59<lupine_85>at least, it would if I could spell
12:00<ranix>I think the damage that it causes in the long run by allowing companies to take the easy way out without releasing native drivers is larger than the benefit of being able to use windows drivers in linux
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12:00<Messo>i have a problem
12:00<Messo>i've installed debian-4.0
12:00<ranix>I have the same problem with the Cedega project
12:01<Messo>i plug in a usb flashdrive
12:01<ranix>Messo: please ask your question all at once instead of flooding
12:01<Messo>problem solved ;)
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12:01<Messo>yep, sorry :)
12:02<Messo>so now i don't have problem, but i'll be back ;)
12:02<ranix>I'll be ready
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12:03[~]lupine_85 thinks we should all move towards greater interoperability
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12:22<Messo>I'm back
12:22<Messo>so: (i'm writing in 1 msg)
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12:24<Messo>we've installed debian, but x didn't started, it says no device found. We checked the conf, and the problem is that he believes the VGA is on PCI, but its on AGP. So we downloaded from the latest driver. We ran it, but it has failed during installation, because kernel module version mismatched.
12:24<Messo>So how can we solve the problem?
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12:24<sigp239>Where can I download the usb stick install for testing? I don't see it anywhere on the website or ftp server.
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12:25<Messo>sigp239, try the netinst cd
12:25<ifvoid>sigp239: read the install manual
12:26<Messo>is anybody here who has the same problem with deb4.0-etch and ati video card?
12:26<sigp239>ifvoid: what install manual?
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12:26<ifvoid>_THE_ install manual
12:26<sigp239>ifvoid: I don't see that
12:26<ifvoid>the only you get when you click on "installation manual" on the debian homre page
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12:27<lis>Tell ne please. It is error of fierwall? (Bad Gateway. The enhancement client proxy could not communicate with the server proxy.) It appear after button down in internet browser. OS - debian, satelite internet - planetsky.
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12:30<locsmif>lis, what browser? what proxy ip have you set it to? what proxy? what firewall? what does "enhancement client proxy" indicate(never seen such a thing before)
12:30<Corkycatcher007>oops... wrong server
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12:31<DeViLs>during the installation debian lowered the packages for the InterNet without problems later when it initiated the system informs that net plate does not exist
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12:37<locsmif>DeViLs, babelfish english is quite hard to understand, as it tends to make no sense at all
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12:38<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:05<EmleyMoor>Is it iceweasel or cups that governs what happens to the headers and footers when a web page is printed? They are getting clipped off
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13:07<seanius>EmleyMoor: i suppose it could be both... my guess is that something wants A4 and the other wants Letter?
13:08<EmleyMoor>seanius: No, not that
13:09<EmleyMoor>Paper sizes are in sync
13:09<vC]Rajohan>can i do like this apt-get upgrade mysql ?
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13:10<EmleyMoor>vC]Rajohan: Not really - upgrade is a "system-wide" thing. You want "install".
13:10<vC]Rajohan>will it then istall over the old one but keep database tables?
13:11<EmleyMoor>Yes, it will
13:11<vC]Rajohan>hmm mysql not a package
13:11<vC]Rajohan>what is the package name?
13:12<mjk>vC]Rajohan: apt-cache search -n mysql
13:12<EmleyMoor>vC]Rajohan: Why not look it up in aptitude/synaptic?
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13:13<vC]Rajohan>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 257 not upgraded.
13:14<vC]Rajohan>but when i try start psychostats i get: The following modules need to be upgraded to the version shown below DBD::mysql v3.0008 or newer
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13:14<EmleyMoor>Where did psychostats come from?
13:15<EmleyMoor>You mean you installed it from there?
13:15<vC]Rajohan>yeah downloaded and installed
13:15<vC]Rajohan>with the newest
13:15<stew>vC]Rajohan: what version of libdbd-mysql-perl is installed now?
13:15<vC]Rajohan>i dont know
13:16<stew>vC]Rajohan: check
13:16<vC]Rajohan>how? <?php phpinfo(); ?> ?
13:16<stew>vC]Rajohan: "apt-cache policy libdbd-mysql-perl" will show you in the "Installed:" line
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13:17<vC]Rajohan>Installed: 2.9006-1
13:17<vC]Rajohan>Candidate: 3.0008-1
13:17<stew>vC]Rajohan: "aptitude install libdbd-mysql-perl"
13:17<stew>vC]Rajohan: wait
13:17<vC]Rajohan>alleredy done
13:17<vC]Rajohan>so i cant wait
13:17<stew>vC]Rajohan: you are mixing sarge and etch?
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13:18<stew>vC]Rajohan: you seem to have sarge packages installed but your sources.list seems to be pointing to etch. this means you haven't finished upgrading to etch yet. /msg dpkg sarge->etch
13:18<stew>vC]Rajohan: what version of libc6 is installed?
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13:19<vC]Rajohan>apt-cache policy libc6 ?
13:19<vC]Rajohan> Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13
13:19<vC]Rajohan>Candidate: 2.3.6.ds1-13
13:19<monra>hey.. i tried configuring vefore installing something , and i got the following erroconfigure: error: *** Can't find X11 headers and libs. What should i do?
13:19<stew>vC]Rajohan: right, so you are running etch, but you haven't finished upgrading from sarge, you should finish the upgrade by following the procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
13:20<vC]Rajohan>-bash: /msg: No such file or directory
13:20<stew>dpkg: tell vC]Rajohan about sarge->etch
13:20<EmleyMoor>That's an IRC command, not a shell command
13:21<stew>i love it when people don't know what /msg dpkg means, since it proves they are ignoring the /topic
13:22<vC]Rajohan>its preety much there
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13:23<vC]Rajohan>this the correct one?
13:24<stew>vC]Rajohan: chapter 4
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13:26<EmleyMoor>Have any of you lot ever run Debian on a qemu? I have two - and at least one of them doesn't always set its network up properly and I'm wondering why
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13:31<EmleyMoor>I will let you know what happens today - but basically it dhcps OK and then appears not to be connected when I actually try to do anything with it
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13:41<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to tell (in logs, say?) why a network interface appears to have fallen off? It's happened in my qemu that runs lenny
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13:43<kop>EmleyMoor : You'd expect something in /var/log/messages, or in the output of dmesg at least.
13:43<oddtod>hey does any one know of a program similar to microsoft's Outlook mainly the calendar portion
13:43<ranix>I think network hotplug logs are handled by syslogd, EmleyMoor
13:43<EmleyMoor>kop: I would, but I don't get anything
13:43<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: is the interface still there but at a different iface?
13:44<EmleyMoor>ranix: I'm not certain any hotplugging is relevant
13:44<kop>oddtod : Doesn't evolution do something like that?
13:44<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: The interface is still there, It simply loses its IP until I ifdown/up it again
13:44<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: is it using dhcp?
13:44<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: Yes
13:44<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: check /var/log/daemon.log; that's where dhcpclient logs
13:44<oddtod>i haven't tried it i'll look kop thanks
13:45<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: I will look there next time it happens...
13:45<ranix>It's very possible that the disappearance of the device is transparent to Debian since you're running in a virtual machine. It could be a problem with the bridge between the physical network interface and the virtual network interface
13:46<ranix>which isn't useful information at all, about which I am sorry
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13:49<kop>Xen has not yet made it into Linus's kernel yet, has it?
13:50<stew>kop: in 2.6.23 iirc
13:51<kop>stew: That's pretty exciting. I figured MS had paid Xensource to keep busy doing non-linux related things.
13:52<kop>stew: It's a bit spooky using something not in the stock kernel, even if it's really good.
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13:54<xerophyte>does anybody know how can i switch to linux dekstop if i use the remotedesktop in fullscreen
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13:55<kop>xerophyte : The "rdesktop" program?
13:56<kop>xerophyte : Are you there?
13:57<kop>stew: Jammin. Thanks.
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13:59<kop>stew: Ah, I see it's not the hypervisor. :-(
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13:59<xerophyte>kop grdesktop yes
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14:00<xerophyte>kop when i goto fullscreen i am not able to come back to my linux desktop .. i have to close and and come bac
14:00<xerophyte>kop do you know anyway i can come backup
14:01<kop>xerophyte : Regular rdesktop uses ctrl-alt-enter, but gnome always messes with me.
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14:02<xerophyte>kop, you there
14:02<kop>Yup. Regular rdesktop uses ctrl-alt-enter, but gnome always
14:02<kop> messes with me.
14:02<Zathras>I had a X11 problem when upgrading from xfree86/sarge to xorg/etch. I installed the latest Nvidia bin drivers. That fixed it. It is just that now the xorg driver takes huge amounts of CPU and memory although the videocard has dedicated GPU and memory (so, not shared mem)
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14:03<EmleyMoor>ranix: Peculiar that it only seems to be lenny it affects - not sid, NetBSD or OpenBSD
14:03<Zathras>sounds familiar? Is the VideoRAM broken? Or.... ?
14:03<xerophyte>kop that seems to works thanks
14:03<kop>Zathras : (That's why I stick with the open source drivers.)
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14:11<masteraccurate>hi dudes!
14:11<masteraccurate>can someone tell me some active debian 3.0 apt-ftp-source ? =)
14:12<masteraccurate>yes :) plz! ;)
14:12<kop>masteraccurate : There should be a list at
14:12<Zathras>replace stable with old-stable in sources.conf
14:12<masteraccurate>k thx
14:12<masteraccurate>ahh ok
14:13<Zathras>or use the name instead: sarge
14:13<kop>Better yet, use the release name so you don't get suprised by future upgrades.
14:13<masteraccurate>ufff where is sources.conf?
14:13<masteraccurate>ahh ok
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14:19<masteraccurate>error... old-stable or oldstable?
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14:20<masteraccurate>hmm... error
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14:20<masteraccurate>thats shit
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14:24<CloseCall>anyone working with bluetooth ?
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14:25<CloseCall>seems that bluetooth is broken in debian seeing that pin_helper is nolonger support and passkey_agent is not compiled..
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14:26<CloseCall>does anyone know how to temporary fix this?
14:26<Metalqga>ok I think that my internet connection stops when the display goes into sleep
14:26<Metalqga>that sux a lot
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14:37<jovans>hello i cannot install konquer about three days i am using debian unstable with kde
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14:37<CloseCall>any bluetooth experts ?
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14:38<Anti-Sony>this is english canal?
14:38<masteraccurate>no, american
14:38<Anti-Sony>om ok
14:39<Anti-Sony>and the spanish canal?
14:39<Anti-Sony>(sorry for mi english, im speak little english)
14:39<Anti-Sony>ok, very thanks
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14:42<stew>masteraccurate: this is not an american channel, it is an english language channel
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14:42<stew>and the spanish channel is #debian-es not
14:42<masteraccurate>english language but american location or not?
14:42<Zathras>the world is a village
14:42<masteraccurate>uhhh sry
14:43<masteraccurate>and me is a tree-monkey =)
14:43<jovans>but i like more amreican english personally
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14:45<masteraccurate>i like to cum-shooting in my mouth if i go sleeping... and its time no to go to bed =) HAVE A GOOD NIGHT ALL! I LIKE YOU MUTCH :)
14:45<dli>what about chinese english? like "long time no see"
14:46<masteraccurate>bye all
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15:01<CloseCall>question, where can i submit bugs/errors for debian ?
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15:01<Zathras>take a look at the menu at the left
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15:02<Zathras>click on "bug report"
15:02<Zathras>start reading top of the page
15:02<CloseCall>pff allot of info to fill in :P
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15:05<CloseCall>ppf that pretty much sucks
15:05<CloseCall>no one is really on the bluetooth packages are they..
15:05<CloseCall>my bugs already there .. of august LAST year
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15:07<tcsetattr>debian comes with a program called "reportbug". use that.
15:07<CloseCall>man.. oke they have been strulling with this bug for what i googled the awnser i five minutes.. guess and help then a hand ;-)
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15:09<tcsetattr>August last year is not surprising. lots of bugs linger for a long time before getting fixed.
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15:18<the_bull>hey all
15:18<the_bull>is there ny video editing software with which i can *concate* two or more video files??
15:19<tcsetattr>what format?
15:20<E0x>cat file1.avi file2.avi file2.avi > full-file.avi
15:21<suiside>or mencoder
15:21<tcsetattr>cat'ing the files together works for mpegs if they're the same width and height.
15:21<the_bull>bro... is there ny video editing software which is for the *concatenation* of two or more video files?
15:21<tcsetattr>for AVIs you can use avimerge to get a result with a good index.
15:22<suiside>the_bull: pay attention, mencoder
15:22<the_bull>suiside, mencoder?
15:22<tcsetattr>if you have different formats you'll probably need to reencode them (or one of them, at least). that's mencoder, or ffmpeg
15:22<the_bull>let`s try
15:23<tcsetattr>you raise the difficulty by refusing to answer the question of what format you're interested in
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15:23<the_bull>tcsetattr, if so.. then i am sorry
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15:23<suiside>mencoder does other things besides just encoding too
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15:24<tcsetattr>cat'ing or avimerge'ing will be a lot faster if applicable.
15:25<fpiat>hardware support in stable : I wonder how much change are allowed in point release (like 4.0r1), in order
15:25<fpiat>to support newer hardware (like intel SantaRosa 965).
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15:25<the_bull>i tried with cat file1.mpg file2.mpg > file.mpg
15:25<the_bull>but, it failed...
15:25<the_bull>file1.mpg is ok...but when seconds starts... the msg came "file broken"
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15:27<dli>the_bull, try mencoder
15:27<tcsetattr>must be different formats. go get mencoder.
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15:28<ranix>you can also use VLC transcoding
15:28<ranix>not very intuitive though
15:28<ranix>or particularly good
15:28<the_bull>tcsetattr, no dude, same format
15:28<the_bull>dli, mencoder is not in Debian Etch dvd...hmm....then need to download...
15:30<ranix>what is this dvd nonsense
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15:30<ranix>you realize you actually save bandwidth by downloading everything from online apt sources right?
15:30<ranix>by not downloading packages you will never use
15:31<Metalqga>but when you go into the summerhouse where there is no connection?
15:31<tcsetattr>unless you live in a beautiful place where debian comes in the mail every month like an AOL disc
15:31<the_bull>Metalqga, hahaha
15:31<ranix>no internet = no ranix
15:32<ranix>I cannot survive away from an internet vent
15:32<the_bull>ranix, then i need to download *you*...
15:32<ranix>It provides me various nutrients that I cannot be without for more than twenty minutes
15:32<the_bull>ranix, where can i find your deb version? or you are rpm?
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15:33<ranix>I can only be compiled from source
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15:33<the_bull>ranix, 8D
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15:42<vC]Rajohan>0,30 * * * * /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/ <-- why wont his run every 30 min? i typed crontab -e and putted it in that file...
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15:44<tcsetattr>does it run when you use the exact same command from a shell prompt?
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15:51<nitalaut>hello guys
15:52<vC]Rajohan>if i do cd /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/ and ./ it run
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15:53<tcsetattr>check with crontab -l to make sure it's really in there, then make sure cron is running... and look at /var/log/syslog for log messages from cron
15:53<stew>vC]Rajohan: does it run of you don't cd and run /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/ ?
15:53<nitalaut>I need to update a row in mysql table. row contains unix timestamp, I'm trying to convert it to usual time...I've found mysql function select from_unixtime(unix_timestamp) which does this but how can I update the row ??
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15:54<vC]Rajohan>yes stew
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16:14<the_bull>hey dude....ffmpeg is a big things....
16:15<the_bull>means, i need to write a *big command* in order to concatenate files
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16:17<ranix>you can concatenate two arbitrary files easily
16:17<ranix>cat file1 file2 > file3
16:17<ranix>to preserve the functionality of compressed video you need a special program
16:18<ranix>you are not concatenating the files, you are partially re-encoding them
16:18<ranix>I am glad to clear your confusion
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16:21<the_bull>ranix, thnx dude
16:21<the_bull>ranix, but i tried cat... file1 file2 > file
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16:21<the_bull>but it failed by the message "broken video"
16:21<the_bull>failed means, file1 is ok... but file2 is no
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16:22[~]EmleyMoor gets out his laptop to make some changes
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16:23<N`Kr1pt>hmz my home folder disappeared from the desktop after I upgraded my Sid system.
16:23<N`Kr1pt>How can I get it back?
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16:29<Cave`>hi. Im trying to update from testing to unstable (dist-upgrade), but the packages kde, kde-core etc. will be removed, why?
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16:33<N`Kr1pt>Cave`, I think that's because debian comes standard with gnome, but I'm not sure at all
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16:33<N`Kr1pt>can anyone confirm this?
16:33<tcsetattr>no, it's because there is some package conflict
16:34<Cave`>yeah, maybe thats the problem
16:34<themill>N`Kr1pt: no... there's no "default" wm in debian. It will be because of some conflict due to a transition.
16:34<N`Kr1pt>does anybody know how I can get my home folder back on the desktop?
16:34<chealer>Cave`: you shouldn't use unstable if you have to ask such questions.
16:34<tcsetattr>like you have some ubscure KDE program installed from the old Debian, which conflicts with some other obscure KDE program in the new Debian, so it figures the way to resolve the conflict is to remove all of KDE.
16:35<chealer>N`Kr1pt: which desktop?
16:35<chealer>tcsetattr: kde and kde-core are just metapackages.
16:36<tcsetattr>oh good that's easier to deal with. just let them go...
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16:37<kop>I installed the mailman package, and the list archive URL gets a "not found on this server" message. Has anyone else had trouble with mailman archives on etch?
16:38<dondelelcaro>kop: that usually means that you don't have the right aliases set up
16:38<N`Kr1pt>never mind; I found it:
16:39<kop>That's what I thought. I've got 2 different scriptalias for the virtual host. One is the "stock" recommended one and one is a shortcut I added. Let me look back through the docs to see if I missed something....
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16:39<dondelelcaro>kop: are you using apache or apache2? do you have /etc/apache*/conf.d/mailman?
16:40<dondelelcaro>kop: have you restarted apache since installing mailman?
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16:40<kop>dondelelcaro : apache2. No, I don't have conf.d/mailman. Yes, I have restarted.
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16:41<kop>dondelelcaro : I had apache1. Maybe I lost the config when I upgraded somehow?
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16:42<dondelelcaro>kop: well, if you're using apache2, you'll have to make sure that you have an Alias /mailman /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin and appropriate permissions to use that directory
16:42<dondelelcaro>kop: generally that's done with a conf.d/mailman
16:43<kop>dondelelcaro : I have a /etc/mailman/apache.conf. Looks like the aliases are in there.
16:43<dondelelcaro>kop: symlink that to /etc/apache2/conf.d/
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16:44<kop>dondelelcaro : Done and restarted apache. Now works. Thanks.
16:45<kop>dondelelcaro : But what went wrong that the link's not there? I probably mess up the apache upgrade?
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16:47<vC]Rajohan>how do i start crontab?
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16:47<kop>vC]Rajohan : You start the cron daemon.
16:48<kop>vC]Rajohan : /etc/init.d/cron start
16:48<dondelelcaro>kop: it may not be being created anymore; I can't remember what's the default now
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16:48<vC]Rajohan>ok and all thing in crontab will then run?
16:48<kop>vC]Rajohan : But really, you want to use update-rc.d or something similar to set the /etc/rc*.d/ links to have it start at boot as needed.
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16:49<EmleyMoor>How do I make a Debian DVD part of my apt sources?
16:49<kop>vC]Rajohan : Well, the stuff in the crontab runs only when the right time comes along.
16:49<vC]Rajohan>thats what i want
16:49<kop>vC]Rajohan : If cron is not already running on your system then something is wrong.
16:49<vC]Rajohan>cant see it when i type ps x
16:49<kop>vC]Rajohan : ps ax
16:50<kop>EmleyMoor : The debian reference manual has a good section at
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16:50<kop>EmleyMoor : The actual file is /etc/apt/sources.list.
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16:51<EmleyMoor>kop: kn
16:51<kop>EmleyMoor : You should be able to set it up with Synaptic or aptitude or dselect or suchlike if you don't want to edit it.
16:51<SixF9>EmleyMoor: apt-setup
16:51<kop>EmleyMoor : I forget the details.
16:51<vC]Rajohan>./usr/bin/cron is that crontab?
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16:51<kop>vC]Rajohan : Yes. that's the daemon that runs the cron jobs, and the at jobs too IIRC.
16:51<tcsetattr>/usr/sbin/cron would be the daemon. I don't know what /usr/bin/cron would be, I don't have one.
16:51<EmleyMoor>I know about sources.list, I just don't know how to add the DVD to it. Doing so could be very useful for my laptop, as it is not always within reach of broadband
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16:52<vC]Rajohan>yeah its sbin
16:52<vC]Rajohan>but why dont thing i have in crontab run then?
16:52<EmleyMoor>SixF9: Will look at that shortly
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16:52<vC]Rajohan>if i type crontab -l its shows up
16:52<vC]Rajohan>the line i want to run every 30 min
16:52<vC]Rajohan>but it dont...
16:52<kop>vC]Rajohan : I'd look at the logs. I think there's a cron log in /var/log/
16:53<vC]Rajohan>0,30 * * * * /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/ <-- this is corrent?
16:53<SixF9>vC]Rajohan: check your syslog why it fails
16:53<kop>vC]Rajohan : /var/log/daemon.
16:53<themill>EmleyMoor: apt-cdrom
16:54<EmleyMoor>themill: Will look at that too... and spend Saturday Night at you <g>
16:54<themill>EmleyMoor: ??
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16:55<EmleyMoor>themill: We used to have a television programme here called "Saturday Night at the Mill" <g>
16:55<themill>EmleyMoor: ahh... where was that?
16:55<EmleyMoor>UK - late 1970s
16:55<themill>EmleyMoor: right country but wrong time period :)
16:55<themill>EmleyMoor: well right country now (Bristol) but I grew up in .au
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16:56<plight>hi, does anyone happen to have a good page to read about make-live?
16:56<themill>EmleyMoor: and yes, the nick does come from "the mill" but in a rather different context.
16:56<plight>my googling isn't helping much, when i apt-get live-helper i'm getting no love
16:57<themill>EmleyMoor: you up in yorkshire?
16:57<EmleyMoor>No, I was born in Yorkshire but am now in Middlesex
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16:58<themill>EmleyMoor: ugh... haven't been here that long.. still have to look up counties ;) I take it the nick is from "home" then.
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16:59<EmleyMoor>Middlesex is a small but highly populous county - county town is Clerkenwell, major towns include Harrow, Twickenham, Hendon and (at least in pure geographical terms) London
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17:00<themill>EmleyMoor: nod... google maps is my friend :)
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17:09<webtiger>i just look in because i'm thinking about installing debian at my pc and i'm complet newbie with linux^^
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17:10<plight>if you're willing to go look for docs, it's a fine thing to try
17:11<plight>although having an expert handy, who doesn't mind being nagged, is helpful
17:11<webtiger>well, i'm planing to install debian at my laptop.
17:11<plight>especially at the very beginning
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17:11<plight>you will probably be able to drop a dvd in and go through the installer without too much trouble
17:11<plight>the installer for etch has been pretty good for me
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17:12<witte>webtiger: it is also important that you remember that it took you years to learn windows like you know it now. You wont learn everything of linux overnight
17:12<plight>getting basically up-and-running was generally pretty easy
17:12<webtiger>yes, i thought so and i was reading a lot on the homepage of debian.
17:13<webtiger>but the thing i'm not sure about is if i will get a internetconnection after installing linux.
17:13<plight>wired, probably
17:13<webtiger>becouse for internet i use a fritz box and i'm not sure if it will still work
17:14<witte>webtiger: what is a fritz box?
17:14<witte>do you get your internet through your ethernet connection, or through usb adsl or through a special modem?
17:15<vC]Rajohan>i cant find anything in the deamon.log from cron
17:15<webtiger>i got a router called fritz box and my laptop is online with w-lan
17:15<vC]Rajohan>so its not that either
17:15<witte>vC]Rajohan: you know that the path of cron is not the same as you have, and that it is safest to use full references in your scripts
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17:16<vC]Rajohan>0,30 * * * * /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/
17:16<vC]Rajohan>isent that full?
17:16<witte>webtiger; what kind of wireless do you have (wep, wpa?
17:16<EmleyMoor>I'll have to log ekiga off or it will go mad that I've removed it... and I may need it tomorrow on the laptop
17:16<witte>vC]Rajohan; yes, it is, and in the stats file itself?
17:16<vC]Rajohan>huh? what stats file?
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17:17<vC]Rajohan>ah ?
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17:17<witte>vC]Rajohan: the script you run?
17:17<vC]Rajohan>that scripts upload thing to a database
17:18<tcsetattr>test your cron with * * * * * touch /tmp/cron-is-working ... the file should show up in /tmp within a minute. then try * * * * * echo hello world ... that should mail the hello to you.
17:18<witte>vC]Rajohan: and the cron path nows where everything is?
17:19<vC]Rajohan>witte yes i tryed just typing /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/ and its working then
17:19<witte>vC]Rajohan: but cron has not the same path as you
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17:20<vC]Rajohan>no but the dont need any path its only upload thing to a db
17:20<witte>vC]Rajohan: to show that, you can do * * * * * echo $PATH > /tmp/path_cron
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17:20<witte>vC]Rajohan: ok
17:21<vC]Rajohan>or it upload things from this path /home/rajohan/hlds/cstrike/logs
17:21<vC]Rajohan>and thats aloso full..
17:21<vC]Rajohan>so i dont understand why i dont work
17:21<webtiger>witte: i got wpa2
17:22<witte>webtiger: can you connect also using wire? even if it is only during install
17:22<tcsetattr>deja vu... this HAS come up before. the silly cron script for processing game server logs. and it WAS the $PATH that needed fixing.
17:23<witte>webtiger: because it could be that your wireless is not working after install
17:24<webtiger>not really. because normaly he patop is not near to the router
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17:26<webtiger>so it should be the best to install debian as 2. os and see if w-lan works?
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17:27<witte>webtiger: yes, probably that is best. the thing is, for some wireless cards, wireless is working perfectly. For others, you can get wireless working with a little bit of effort. Some work partially (for instance, no wpa) and others just wont work on linux because there are no available drivers
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17:28<eldowan>is this factoid: nvidia-graphics-drivers still the debian way to install the nvidia drivers with lenny?
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17:31<witte>eldowan: in principle the wiki should be relatively new...
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17:32<plight>eldowan: worked fine for etch, although i know that's not what you aksed
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17:33<webtiger>well, i'm using a w-lan stick about usb. so i think i could get a stick working with linux if it doesn't. but i don't know if this is working together with my router o.0
17:33<eldowan>plight: I upgraded to lenny with the 18-3-k7 kernel, and it all works. I'm about to switch to a newer kernel, and am going to give it a shot.
17:33<witte>webtiger: your router does not know if a linux or a windows box sends tcp/ip packets
17:34<witte>or at least does not care
17:35<witte>webtiger: you could also start to test with knoppix: a live-cd: you boot, and see what happens. Afterwards, nothing changed and you have your system as it was before...
17:35<plight>good luck!
17:35<webtiger>that's good. because iwas thinking about if it'll be a problem if one pc is using linux and one is using windows. you see, i'm a complet noob ;)
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17:36<witte>webtiger: it could be that the router is even linux based, or even bsd...
17:36<vC]Rajohan>tcsetattr * * * * * touch /tmp/cron-is-working is not working
17:37<vC]Rajohan>no file in tmp with that nam after 1 min
17:37<witte>vC]Rajohan: is cron running?
17:37<witte>ps aux |grep cron
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17:37<plight>no one happens to have used make-live in here, have they?
17:38<EricB>what does make-live do?
17:38<vC]Rajohan>. /usr/sbnn/cron <-- if thats cron yes
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17:38<plight>makes a live-bootable dvd
17:38<plight>or cd, whatever. an .iso
17:39<vC]Rajohan>witte /usr/sbnn/cron is cron?
17:39<witte>yes, well, sbin instead of sbnn, but i guess this is a typo :-)
17:40<kop>vC]Rajohan : Are you editing /etc/cron.d/*? Those have a different format from the rest of the crontabs.
17:40<vC]Rajohan>im using crontab -e to edit
17:43<vC]Rajohan>so is there something wrong with my crontab?
17:43<tcsetattr>something wrong with your cron daemon maybe. try restarting it
17:44<tcsetattr>/etc/init.d/cron restart
17:44<kop>Humm. This seems odd. I'm running etch and I look at /etc/syslog.conf and it seems that messages from cron are not logged.
17:44<kop>Am I reading the config right?
17:45<vC]Rajohan>Restarting periodic command scheduler: cron/etc/init.d/cron: line 18: start-stop-daemon: command not found /etc/init.d/cron: line 19: start-stop-daemon: command not found
17:45<kop>vC]Rajohan : You need to be root.
17:46<kop>vC]Rajohan : And have logged in as root, which really means using "su -" to become root. (To setup the $PATH.)
17:46<vC]Rajohan>its nothing in that root crontab
17:46<tcsetattr>my syslog.conf has a commented-out cron.log, but the cron log messages do end up in /var/log/syslog
17:46<vC]Rajohan>is that the problem?
17:48<kop>tcsetattr : Ah. I see that now. Has anybody told vC]Rajohan to look in /var/log/syslog?
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17:49<tcsetattr>yeah, I did, a long time ago. seems like he goes to sleep for long periods of time and ignores most of what you tell him though.
17:51<vC]Rajohan>i added it in the root crontab now but still it dont run..
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17:52<kop>vC]Rajohan : You need to be root to start and stop the cron daemon, not to run a cron job. Have you looked in /var/log/syslog?
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17:52<gunnar>Anyone gotten tinyerp working on etch?
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17:53<vC]Rajohan>kop im looking at it now but cant see anything from crontab with the command i want it to run
17:53<plight>sorry gunnar, never heard of it
17:53<kop>vC]Rajohan : grep -i cron /var/log/syslog | less
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17:54<kop>vC]Rajohan : Normally the system emails you when there's a problem with your cron job. Have you read the emails from your system?
17:55<vC]Rajohan>i havent got any email
17:55<vC]Rajohan>but, its a dedicated server
17:55<vC]Rajohan>so i dont think it got it
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17:56<kop>vC]Rajohan : Try emailing yourself something. echo hi | email -s test
17:57<kop>vC]Rajohan : If that works then : cat ~/.forward
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17:57<kop>vC]Rajohan : If that tells you the file does not exist then: echo > .forward
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17:57<vC]Rajohan>email: command not found
17:57<kop>vC]Rajohan : Then you should get mail from cron.
17:57<kop>vC]Rajohan : OOps. Should be "mail" not "email".
17:58<kop>vC]Rajohan : echo > ~/.forward
17:59<kop>vC]Rajohan : (To make sure it goes in your home directory.)
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17:59<vC]Rajohan>yes seams like that is set now
18:00<vC]Rajohan>but, i dont get any from cron
18:01<kop>vC]Rajohan : You're still running the "touch" every minute via cron?
18:01<tcsetattr>some day we'll get around to actually restarting cron.
18:02<vC]Rajohan>* * * * * /home/rajohan/psychostats/psychostats3.0.6b/
18:02<vC]Rajohan>thats what i got now
18:02<vC]Rajohan>but, no mails
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18:03<kop>vC]Rajohan : I'll leave you with tcsetattr so there's only one thing going at a time. Restart your cron daemon.
18:03<vC]Rajohan>done that
18:04<vC]Rajohan>but, same happens
18:05<tcsetattr>you can't assign me as a case-worker :)
18:05<vC]Rajohan>tryed that touch thing again no also but, still nothing happens there either
18:07<tcsetattr>if I had a misbehaving cron daemon I'd strace it
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18:09<tcsetattr>it took half an hour to teach you to restart the daemon. teaching you to use strace would take 200 years.
18:09<vC]Rajohan>what will happend if i just do aptitude install cron?
18:10<witte>vC]Rajohan: let us hope it will tell you cron is already installed :-)
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18:11<vC]Rajohan>its installing? :S
18:11<vC]Rajohan>how could it then run?
18:11<witte>vC]Rajohan: maybe it is just a newer version? but in any case, try again
18:12<vC]Rajohan>no. not working now either...
18:15<Zathras>dpkg -l |grep cron
18:15<dpkg>ii |grep cron 3.7-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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18:15<Zathras>vC]Rajohan, dpkg -l |grep cron
18:15<Zathras>does that show an installed cron?
18:16<Zathras>tried reinstalling it?
18:16<vC]Rajohan>ii cron 3.0pl1-100 management of regular background processing
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18:16<vC]Rajohan>no. will that be aptitude unistall cron and then install again?
18:16<Zathras>"apt-get --reinstall cron"
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18:17<lontra>!ndiswrapper one-liner
18:17<dpkg>from memory, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
18:17<eldowan>could someone help me with installing the nvidia drivers on lenny? module-assistant auto-install nvidia fails with the following log: Any help is appreciated
18:17<vC]Rajohan>E: Invalid operation cron
18:18<vC]Rajohan>Zathras thats what im getting
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18:19<witte>vC]Rajohan: should be "apt-get install --reinstall cron"
18:19<uter>hi i have a question about downgrade of packets (xserver-xorg-core ) - is this easy to do ? (sorry for my bad english)
18:20<dondelelcaro>uter: it's generally not supported, though it can be done
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18:20<Zathras>sorry: apt-get install --reinstall cron
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18:21<uter>dondelelcaro: should i deinstall the packet then remove the contrib things of my source updateing it and install it again , would this help ?
18:22<dondelelcaro>uter: not really. what's the problem that you're trying to solve by downgrading?
18:22<vC]Rajohan>my cron i still not working...
18:22<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: what about it isn't working?
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18:22<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: is the daemon running?
18:22<uter>dondelelcaro: the ati drivers (fglrx) doesnt work with my current xorg
18:23<vC]Rajohan>but, its not running the jobs
18:23<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: which jobs isn't it running?
18:23<vC]Rajohan>i set in crontab with crontab -e
18:23<uter>dondelelcaro: i have to use old drivers because my graphic card is really old
18:23<vC]Rajohan>none of them
18:23<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: and you see them when you crontab -l?
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18:23<witte>uter: if your card is that old, just use the radeon driver
18:23<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: what does /var/log/auth.log say?
18:23<witte>uter, unless you need 3d
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18:24<uter>witte: i use them now but i want to use 3d - for games
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18:24<vC]Rajohan>dondelelcaro i dont have any files with that name
18:25<dondelelcaro>vC]Rajohan: uh... you do have syslog running, right?
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18:26<NoVaTuS>boa noite a todos
18:27<NoVaTuS>todos vcs ai são feras em Debian ?
18:27<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:27<witte>NoVaTuS: never know if it is spanish or portuguese :P
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18:28<Ganneff>witte: .br, so pt
18:28<Ganneff>or also !br, points to the same.
18:28<witte>Ganneff: that should have given me a clue indeed
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18:48<bernardo>how can I move directories around using the terminal?
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18:53<stoned>thanks man
18:53<stoned>oh whoops wrong chan
18:53<uter>does anyone know how i find xorg version 7.1.1 in the Reposorties (sorry for my english) -> My Problem is that I have Xorg 1.3.0 and I want to downgrade because of the fglrx drivers
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19:15<Supaplex>!listkeys pxe
19:15<dpkg>Factoid search of 'pxe' by key (6): #debian pxe ;; #debian-bots pxe ;; pxe ;; _default pxe ;; pxes ;; _default pxe boot.
19:15<Supaplex>how am I suppose to see the _default and #foo prefixed factoids?
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19:16<tark>hey everyone
19:16<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: explain some dpkg sense to me re those factoids.
19:16<Supaplex>please :)
19:16<tark>i have troubles with wine. it simply crashes when i use fglrx drivers instead of ati
19:17<tark>can anybody help ?
19:17<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: it's the per-channel factoid
19:17<tark>is there anything to do about it ?
19:17<Supaplex>so I have to ask from that channel?
19:17<tark>debian etch
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19:17<Supaplex>tark: maybe in bts
19:17<Supaplex>!tell tark -about bts
19:17<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: well, now I guess...
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19:18<dpkg>pxe is probably a network boot protocol., or see
19:18<dondelelcaro>I think timricker has fixed that
19:18<dondelelcaro>but I haven't merged up dpkg in a while
19:18<Supaplex>!#debian pxe
19:18<tark>Supaplex i'll have a look and let you know
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19:18[~]Supaplex resorts to factoids
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19:19<christianatilathehun>soy el unico jajaja
19:19<christianatilathehun>entonces bye
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19:23<Supaplex>humm no pxegrub.
19:23<nicooo>hi! some body help me to config mi video card?
19:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
19:23[~]damog gives Ganneff some apple pie
19:23<Supaplex>!setup x
19:23<dpkg>hmm... set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer.
19:24<christianatilathehun>alguien habla español?????
19:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:24<nicooo>yo hablo macho!! argentino como el dulce de leche
19:24<Ganneff>Dalale: try it with english or
19:24<dpkg>rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
19:24<christianatilathehun>estoy hablandote en privado
19:24<Dalale>ablö espagnole
19:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:25<Dalale>Parler francais
19:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
19:25<chealer>Dalale: please stop that.
19:26<dpkg>jp is, like, Japan
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19:27<Dalale>Kak tibia sa voutt
19:27|-|mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
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19:29<nicooo>please! my video card only found in (user single mode) why??
19:30<nicooo>some body say me?
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19:31<Ganneff>nicooo: read what dpkg wrote to you and either try the x setup hints or provide more details what you tried and whats going on.
19:31<Ganneff>nicooo: we cant read your mind currently. :)
19:31<nicooo>Ganneff: do you can speak spanish?
19:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:32<Ganneff>nicooo: follow what dpkg just said
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19:34<Quick>Hey everyone, I need some help with netinst. While it was configuring it said that there was a problem with the install and that it had to be aborted, how can I resume the configuration (Configuring the selected packages) or will I have to re-download?
19:35<Quick>Anybody there?
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19:35<abrotman>afaik .. start again
19:35<abrotman>wait .. which part of the install ?
19:36<Quick>Select and install packages
19:36<Quick>How do I resume it without re-downloading
19:37<tark>Supaplex found the answer here it seems : - if you don't see me arround later it'll mean the trick worked
19:37<tark>thx for your help
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19:37<Quick>Can anyone help?
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19:37<chealer>Quick: which Debian suite are you installing?
19:38<abrotman>Quick: does the system boot ?
19:38<Quick>I am using netinst
19:38<Quick>Yes it boots
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19:39<Quick>And I selected the Desktop Environment and the Basic OS
19:40<Quick>Do you need the debug log because I got the error (Cannot install) while it was configuring fonts
19:40<nicooo>please! some body helpme! my video card only found in user single mode... why? I have a Compaq F505LA
19:41<Quick>In the debug log it says: Fatal Server Error: Could not open default font 'fixed'
19:41<Quick>Can anyone help?
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19:42<Ganneff>nicooo: join #debian-es or #debian-ar, there you can get help in your language
19:42<Quick>How can I resume a netinst installation (Configuration of: Select and Install Packages part) without having to re-download because I got an error saying that it could not install. The debug log says: Could not load the font: 'fixed'
19:42<nicooo>Ganneff: the people don´t talk in #debian-e
19:43<azeem>nicooo: wait
19:43<Quick>Ok, maybe I don't need the Desktop Environment just yet, can I install it later?
19:44<Quick>Can I install the Desktop Environment at a later date without having to run the setup to re-install the OS?
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19:45<nicooo>azeem: you tell me why?
19:45<azeem>why what?
19:46<nicooo>azzem: why my video card only found in user single mode? (nvidia)
19:46<azeem>no idea
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19:47<nicooo>my screen is black color fill and diplay random color pixel
19:48<chealer>the guy weared his nick
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19:57<takt>hi there
19:58<takt>I've got a problem with my etch box... I'm running an self compiled kernel with no modules
19:58<takt>the machine has a Via NIC (it's the only nic) and the device namen of it is not eth0 (as expected) but eth2
19:58<takt>why is the nic called eth2?
19:58<peterS>takt: probably udev thinks you used to have other NICs and so it reserves eth0 and eth1 for those
19:59<takt>thats an idea
19:59<peterS>or ifrename, or something
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19:59<takt>there has been a 3com nic in the server until yesterday
20:00<takt>but we decided to use the VIA Nic...
20:00<peterS>well ... I don't know udev, so I can't offer further advice (I don't even have it installed), so take it from there
20:00<cydork>takt: /msg dpkg z25
20:00<cydork>takt: follow that factoid.
20:00<Internat>can anyone tell me why apt-proxy keeps giving me this
20:00<Internat>Failed to fetch 500 Unknown status code: 302
20:03<tcsetattr>apt-proxy doesn't understand 302's?
20:04<peterS>what should it do with them? following redirects seems suboptimal, compared to forcing the admin to fix the address
20:04<takt>works :)
20:05<Internat>yeah i didnt realise 302 was a redirect
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20:06<Internat>til i just put the address into my browser and loe and behold it changed to
20:06<tcsetattr>well that applies to *all* uses of http redirect...
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20:08<tcsetattr>hmm... is leaking some ARRAY(0x911c45c) thingies into the search forms
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20:08<peterS>tell dondelelcaro, he's the one doing most of the hacking on these days
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20:09<peterS>(that's a ping)
20:11<Supaplex>!ping dondelelcaro
20:11[~]dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over dondelelcaro's head
20:11<peterS>dpkg: who owns you
20:11<dpkg>dondelelcaro does
20:12<peterS>ungrateful bot.
20:12<Supaplex>hehe yup
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20:30<eldowan>I'm running lenny. I currently have gcc 4.1.3 and the kernel was build with 4.1.2 . How would I go about getting 4.1.2 ?
20:31<chealer>eldowan: why would you want that?
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20:32<eldowan>chealer: I'm trying to install vmware. the kernel 2.6.18-3-k7 was built with .2 and it seems that the installer needs the same version. I get the following error when I proceed anyway:
20:32<eldowan> 'insmod' -p '/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon.o' >/dev/null 2>&1 Unable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel: There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the set of C header files you specified and your running kernel. You may want to rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory.
20:32<tcsetattr>building an out-of-tree module needs the same compiler that was used to build the vmlinux.
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20:33<chealer>tcsetattr: eew. why are you using 2.6.18-3?
20:34<eldowan>chealer: that me that is using it. if I upgrade to .20 the nvidia drivers won't work. they can't compile because of a gpl restriction.
20:35<chealer>eldowan: there's not just .20, there's .21 though with the same bug, .22 in sid and 2.6.18-4 in etch.
20:35<eldowan>chealer: sorry, it was .21 that I tried earlier today.
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20:35<chealer>eldowan: so why not use 2.6.22 or at least 2.6.18-4?
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20:36<kurumin>I'm brasilian
20:36<kurumin>How are brasilian in the channel?
20:36<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:36<eldowan>chealer: the lenny repos only show 2.6.18-3 nothing higher
20:37<chealer>eldowan: 2.6.18-3 shouldn't be in lenny [anymore]. you can get 2.6.18-4 from stable or 2.6.22 from sid
20:37<kurumin>sorry, tank's...
20:38<eldowan>chealer: these are the relevant entries from sources.list:
20:38<eldowan>deb testing main contrib non-free
20:38<eldowan>deb testing main contrib non-free
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20:39<chealer>eldowan: those look equivalent. you'd need stable or unstable to get a secure kernel compatible with the nvidia driver.
20:39<eldowan>chealer: and here is the output of aptitude search linux-image :
20:40<twb>chealer: of he could wait N days for it to migrate from Sid?
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20:41<eldowan>chealer: so why would a newer kernel be in stable than in testing? Am I understanding correctly that 2.6.22 from should be compatible with nvidia drivers, and built with 4.1.3?
20:41<weasel>stop nick hilighting me
20:42<weasel>just because I helped you once doesn't mean I'm your personal support monkey from now on
20:42<twb>weasel: I still love you
20:42<chealer>eldowan: first, gcc 4.1.3 is not released yet, you're mixing it with a prerelease.
20:42<Brudus>:( I'm sorry. I just wanted to thank you for putting up with me. I'm running debain perfectly now.
20:42<chealer>eldowan: Linux 2.6.22 from sid is compatible with the nvidia driver.
20:42<weasel>glad to hear.
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20:44<chealer>eldowan: the Linux in stable is not really newer. the sub-sub-minor release may be newer, but it's an older sub-minor release.
20:45<chealer>twb: yes, where N >= 10
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20:47<twb>Can I provide a message body using bts(1)?
20:47<eldowan>chealer: I'm reading, from your comments, that both the stable and unstable kernels listed will fill both of the requirements I have at this time. Is this correct?
20:48<chealer>twb: hum...what are you trying to do?
20:48<twb>That is, a more-than-one-line remark after the "thank you" line
20:48<chealer>eldowan: I think so, yes.
20:48<dondelelcaro>twb: bts is primarily for using hte control
20:48<chealer>twb: yes
20:49<twb>chealer: how?
20:49<chealer>twb: oh, sorry. I don't know
20:49<eldowan>chealer: great, I'm glad I haven't confused myself reading this. What would the best method be of getting 2.6.22 ? would I use pinning or another method?
20:49<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: over here. 19:06 < tcsetattr> hmm... is leaking some ARRAY(0x911c45c) thingies into the search forms
20:49<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr, Supaplex: yeah, that's a known bug; it'll be fixed when I rewrite the entire param altering bits
20:50<twb>What's b.d.o implemented in, perl?
20:50<Supaplex>that's my guess
20:51<chealer>eldowan: I'd setup a testing/unstable mix.
20:51<Supaplex>looks like an arrayref is printed
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20:51<eldowan>chealer: by adding an unstable entry in sources.list and specifiying only the kernel to install?
20:51<blarson>twb: perl
20:51<twb>Incidentally, why does my /etc/motd say I'm using testing/unstable when I'm using JUST unstable?
20:51<dondelelcaro>twb: yes, it's in perl (primarily)
20:51<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages.
20:51<mtnman>hi don
20:52<dondelelcaro>mtnman: sup!
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20:52<mtnman>nuttin much.
20:52<mtnman>got tix?
20:52<eldowan>chealer: thanks for the info. I hope this gets me where I want to be. :D
20:52<twb>mtnman: brother, I've fot uppers, downers, and sidewaysers
20:52<chealer>eldowan: by doing that with foo=linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7
20:53<twb>That'd be fun to watch
20:53<twb>I think Paul Jennings wrote a story about that once
20:54<eldowan>chealer: just to make sure I don't mess myself up than I already have: unstable == sid for the current matter?
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20:55<chealer>eldowan: for all matters, yes
20:55<eldowan>chealer: :D
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21:06<JasonS>wrong window inventr :)
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21:16<Danyael_X>I'm having troublle getting my mind wrapped around the Xorg conf file, it's the first time I'm confing it (i run Debian stable) since I'm migrating from Ubuntu. I've read the man file and cant quite make heads or tail of it. Does any one know a good how to for a newbie? Google has failed me...
21:17<twb>Danyael_X: what are you trying to achieve by editing it?
21:17<Danyael_X>I'm trying to get the correct resolution(?) to my Fujitsu Lifebook
21:18<twb>Which is?
21:18<Danyael_X>one sec
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21:20<tcsetattr>`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is easier than editing the file manually (at least until you get a minimally working config to start from)
21:20<eldowan>chealer: after doing this: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf and aptitude update, it seems like the default policy is to get from sid. How can I confirm this is not the case?
21:21<twb>IME xorg.conf works best when you follow the "delete most of it and let X autodetect everything" approach
21:21<eldowan>chealer: I may have solved my question. apt-cache policy apt shows 990 for testing and 500 for sid. This shows that testing is preferred over sid, correct?
21:23<twb>eldowan: yes.
21:23<Danyael_X>i'm sorry I cant find the page withthe spec for the native resolution but it isnt a standard resolution since its a 16:9 10.2 inch TFT
21:23<eldowan>twb: thanks for the confirmation
21:24<twb>At least, it shows that for the apt package.
21:24<Danyael_X>TCSetattr: so the best way is to just delete everything and then run dpkg-reconfigure xserv-xorg?
21:24<twb>And that might be 990 only because that's the version that is installed.
21:24<twb>Danyael_X: don't delete everything first.
21:25<Danyael_X>i should just leve it be and run the command?
21:25<eldowan>twb: apt-cache policy shows the same for kate. except that all versions listed for sid are 500, and both other versions from testing show 990
21:25<gsimmons>Danyael_X: What model is your Lifebook?
21:25<eldowan>twb: this is the desired behavior for only getting from sid by request, correct?
21:26<twb>eldowan: I believe so, yes.
21:26<dondelelcaro>eldowan: yes, that looks right
21:26<eldowan>chealer: twb: thanks.
21:26<eldowan>dondelelcaro: you too
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21:27<Danyael_X>gsimmons: p7010 (i'm new to Irc sorry for my confusing self)
21:27<node_3667>should i play xmess-sdl or xmess-x ?
21:27<kidbuntu>can someone help me please. can you give me a channel where newbie programmers have questions?
21:28<twb>kidbuntu: what language?
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21:28<node_3667>kidbuntu: #perl
21:28<kidbuntu>twb: I just want to ask some questions. I'm doing a documentation. I have a low comprehension with deep words.
21:29<kidbuntu>twb: no language yet
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21:29<twb>You will find it difficult to talk about programming without a specific language to act as context.
21:29<kidbuntu>twb: lots of questions like what do you mean by "real-time shipping quotes" and so on.....
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21:30<twb>For example, something as simple as "function" means entirely different things in Haskell, Lisp and Python.
21:30[~]dondelelcaro isn't sure that he wants to know what "real-time shipping quotes" has to do with programming
21:30<twb>kidbuntu: that sounds like a customer liason question.
21:30<kidbuntu>twb: yeah. sounds like that
21:30<gsimmons>Danyael_X: The native resolution appears to be 1280x768 for your model. You'd need to use '915resolution' to achieve this resolution within Xorg.
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21:31<twb>kidbuntu: I don't see how anyone on IRC can answer questions like that.
21:31<kidbuntu>well anyway. can you give me a channel for python programmers
21:31<twb>#python, on Freenode.
21:31<Danyael_X>gsimmons: i suppose it's a VGA standard chip from intel?
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21:32<twb>Danyael_X: VGA is a VERY old standard.
21:32<kidbuntu>twb: thanks
21:32<twb>Danyael_X: you probably want at least VESA, which has been around for something like a decade
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21:33<tcsetattr>VGA is the name of the class of graphics devices that includes basically all of them in use today. Much like "i386" is the name of a class of processors, still current after the 80386 is nearly forgotten (in spite of the neologisms x86 and ia32)
21:35<twb>Good point
21:35<Danyael_X>so Intel Extreme Graphics 2 should be in the VGA or in the VESA alternative?
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21:35<twb>Danyael_X: it will support both VESA and VGA
21:36<tcsetattr>nevertheless, you don't want to run your graphics card in VGA mode, since that means you're using a minimal set of features.
21:36<Danyael_X> good, I chose VESA
21:36<twb>Danyael_X: it will also probably be supported by a driver like i810, which can leverage better-than-VESA hardware-specific shininess
21:36<twb>This is what you should use, where possible.
21:37<Danyael_X>then I'll have to restart the config
21:37<Danyael_X>or is that nnessecary?
21:37<tcsetattr>`lspci | grep VGA' will tell you more about your graphics hardware
21:38<twb>Leave it as vesa for now
21:38<twb>It's easy to change it later
21:38<tcsetattr>restart the config? you mean the dpkg-reconfigure? that's like 10 questions long it's not like restarting would cost you a lot of time
21:38<node_3667>or maybe fbdev ?
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21:42<eldowan>!beer chealer
21:42[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for chealer
21:43<eldowan>chealer: thanks. you fixed my nvidia problem, but now a set of new vmware problems seem to present themselves... :/
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21:44<twb>!bear twb
21:44[~]dpkg watches a horny grizzlybear hump twb
21:44<eldowan>WOO WOO
21:44<twb>Yay for cross-bot compatibility
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21:44<eldowan>twb: ??
21:45<twb>fsbot (erbot) has the same methos.
21:47<Danyael_X>twb, tcsetattr and gsimmons: Thanks for the help, my X now has the correct resolution =)
21:52<chealer>eldowan: tasty
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21:57<eldowan>chealer: glad I could be of *some* service to such a pillar of the community.
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21:59[~]chealer adds to this list of titles.
22:00<chealer>too bad he omitted to describe tasty vmware problems.
22:01<twb>Meh, vmware problems aren't tasty
22:02<twb>If it was Free they probably wouldn't happen
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22:04<ranix>free libre or free gratis
22:04<ranix>because it is free gratis right now
22:04<chealer>ranix: the capital "F" indicates the former
22:04<ranix>which I am cool with, because they are doing a damn good job with it in my personal opinion
22:04<chealer>twb: that may have been sarcastic
22:05<twb>ranix: Free as in Free.
22:06<ranix>I enjoy corporate projects
22:06<twb>I like Free software because it means that bugs tend to get fixed before I even complain about them
22:07<twb>And obviously because they tend to target the market to which the author belongs, and I'm more like the author than Joe Schmuck
22:08<ranix>I like closed-source software because I believe that the developer should have the broadest range of licensing options possible
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22:09<ranix>rather, I like having closed source software as a viable option
22:09<twb>I can't see how that option would go away any time soon
22:10<twb>Not that you can't make money maintaining Free software
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22:10<ranix>Didn't say it would. I just enjoy saying that I have no problems with licensing done the way VMware does it
22:10<venkatesh>*sorry, wrong window
22:11<ranix>I do have a problem with hardware developers not releasing even binary drivers for linux, however
22:11<twb>I have to say, though, the huge, immediate problem with non-Free software is you can't track it with apt
22:12<ranix>twb: what is the non-free repository for?
22:12<twb>Excepting for a small amount of shareware and suchlike
22:12<ranix>oh, you mean specifically licenses that restrict redistribution
22:13<ranix>I think that is bad business sense personally, but that's just my opinion
22:13<twb>I've learnt to automatically trust less any software that's not in the official Debian repositories.
22:14<twb>In terms of "installing this will break your OS and you probably can't uninstall it properly either"
22:14<ranix>I dislike the ndiswrapper and cedega projects
22:14<twb>I remember last time I looked at vmware it wasn't available as a .deb, and the install script assumed /bin/sh was bash.
22:15<ranix>I think they cause more problems by inciting laziness than they solve by adding functionality where there would otherwise be none
22:15<twb>So I basically went "sod this" and went back to qemu
22:15<ranix>twb: I recently installed vmware and was impressed at their install script
22:16<twb>Impressed at how policy incompliant it was?
22:16<ranix>Impressed at how well it worked and how many things it accouned for
22:17<twb>I bet you're using bash for /bin/sh, though, eh?
22:17<ranix>the install script specifically used /bin/bash
22:17<ranix>and there was a note in the INSTALL doc about that
22:18<ranix>but then again, I haven't tried installing it on a BSD or any kind of strange system
22:18<ranix>The big thing that stuck out was that they support directX and 3d hardware acceleration
22:19<ranix>up to directX 8
22:19<ranix>which is admittedly useless but impressive to me anyway. I wouldn't have a big problem firing up VMware to play a video game in a sandbox someday
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22:22<twb>computer games can go shove their inflationary hardware requirements up their asses
22:22<twb>The same goes for OS X's windowing system
22:24<ranix>I enjoy a game by Egosoft, a space sim that's light on the graphics but tracks thousands of entities around a huge universe and runs some simple AI for them
22:24<ranix>the beefier processor you have, the denser the universe can be
22:25<ranix>I don't have a problem with this kind of inflationary hardware requirement
22:25<twb>I do
22:25<ranix>video cards haven't improved significantly since 2003 in my opinion, however
22:25<twb>Instead of having $100 computers, I have to pay the same price for about 20 times the resources I actually want
22:26<ranix>there's no reason a $70 radeon 9800 shouldn't be running modern games
22:26<twb>For example, try to find a new 200MB HDD
22:26<ranix>I bought one last year for $40 from Staples
22:26<ranix>a little on the expensive side
22:27<twb>The smallest I've seen -- new -- these days is like 80GB
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22:27<ranix>yeah at work we're paying $50 for 80GB drives
22:27<twb>(Er, not counting SCSI)
22:27<ranix>oh, excuse me
22:27<ranix>that was a 200GB drive
22:28<ranix>you will not find a 200mb hard disk drive because it is not worth manufacturing them
22:28<twb>Because all these wankers keep jacking up their requirements
22:28<twb>If MacOS still fit into 60MB, people would still buy 200MB drives, and it would cost effective to manufacture them
22:29<ranix>my debian installation has 1.8gb of data on root
22:29<twb>The same goes for CPUs and GPUs
22:29<dondelelcaro>feel free to use rexx then on your i486
22:31<ranix>ah 1.1 gig of that is in var
22:32<ranix>yeah ok so with lighter logging I would have 500mb worth of operating system
22:32<Supaplex>windows 2012 server requires 1 petabyte of harddisk
22:32<Supaplex>;) hah. who knows.
22:32<ranix>I like to think I run my system light. I don't think 200mb hard drives are feasable, I disagree. I would take your side if you had said 10 or 20gb drives
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22:33<twb>OK, make it 10GB then
22:33<tcsetattr>imagine if reliability obeyed Moore's law... the length of the warranty on new hard drives doubling every 18 months... for the next few years, instead of capacity increases. Would we be better off that way?
22:33<ranix>then, at $5 a gigabyte, why not move to compact flash to save electricity
22:33<twb>flash shits itself if you do a lot of writes
22:34<ranix>I keep forgetting that
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22:34<inventr_>at #debian-ve
22:34<ranix>faggoty HIPAA regulations make me want to never remember it
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22:58<Frankson_z>Hi guys.
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23:00<Frankson_z>I'd like to ask, would a Celeron 733 with 190MB RAM be enough to run Debian?
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23:00<Quick>I didn't install the Desktop Environment and the PHP package when I installed Debian, can I install them via apt-get and if so, what are the package names?
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23:02<blarson>Frankson_z: Depends on what you want to do. For command-line or lightweigt
23:02<Brudus>Anyone familiar with wine?
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23:02<Quick>Frankson_z: Yes, you can run Debian on those specifications, it just depends how much HDD space you have
23:02<blarson>Frankson_z: window manager, it is plenty. (kernel compiles will be slow.)
23:02<Quick>I didn't install the Desktop Environment and the PHP package when I installed Debian, can I install them via apt-get and if so, what are the package names?
23:03<blarson>Quick: You can use tasksel.
23:03<Frankson_z>I see. Basically I just want a machine for web surfing and email, music listening, etc.
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23:04<Quick>Whats tasksel?
23:04<Quick>Sorry, I'm new
23:05<blarson>Quick: man tasksel : tasksel - a user interface for installing tasks
23:05<Quick>How do I execute it?
23:06<Quick>I think I just executed it
23:06<Frankson_z>Another thing. I notice when using debian, man pages get piped through more. How does one tell it to use less instead?
23:07<blarson>Frankson_z: set PAGER to less.
23:07<Quick>How big is the PHP and Desktop Environment?
23:07<Frankson_z>Oh man YEAH. Thanks blarson.
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23:29<Quick>Does PHP come with Debian or is there a package which I have to install?
23:29<node_3667>Quick: install
23:30<Supaplex>!tell Quick -about search
23:30<Quick>I did search
23:30<node_3667>Quick: apt-get install libapache-mod-php5
23:30<Quick>I went on google but it said that there is no official package
23:30<node_3667>Quick: apt-cache search php5
23:31<node_3667>yeah ?
23:31<dli>Quick, you should have apt-cached :(
23:31<Quick>Debian really does have every feature imaginable
23:31<node_3667>Quick: it's pretty good, yes
23:31<Quick>I'm still learning
23:32<Quick>Which package do you recommend?
23:32<node_3667>like i said, libapache-mod-php5
23:32<Quick>(I have apache 2.2)
23:33<Quick>Thanks for your help
23:33<node_3667>hey, not apache, apache2
23:33<node_3667>i forgot 1.3 is still around
23:33<node_3667>Quick: ack ?
23:34<Quick>Thanks everyone
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23:48<stuart>how do i get msttcorefonts?
23:49<chealer>stuart: did you install the package?
23:49<sysop>stuart, I don't know but some minutes ago... i removet that
23:50<stuart>why sysop?
23:50<sysop>stuart, because the machine where I installed need to connect to sourceforge
23:50<stuart>chealer: i installed the only relevant package fron the multimedia repository
23:50<sysop>stuart, and this machine have no connection to internet, only a localmirror of debian
23:50<chealer>stuart: which multimedia repository?
23:51<stuart>(is that 1 "safe"
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23:53<sysop>how can I configure a usb wireless card (enuwi-g2 enocre) with debian?... I downloaded driver rt73, compiled that and install, but I have no rausb0 and no wlan or other device
23:54<chealer>stuart: that's not "the multimedia repository". I don't know which package you're talking about, but you should install the package distributed by Debian.
23:54<chealer>sysop: depends on the chipset.
23:54<stuart>chealer: is that a well known/safe repository? Which deian package do you mean?
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23:55<chealer>well, maybe the proper "configuration" doesn't
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23:55<chealer>stuart: it's well known and probably relatively safe. the "msttcorefonts" package in contrib.
23:56<sysop>chealer, lsusb say realtek, but encore say ralink rt73 is for his usb wireless
23:57<chealer>sysop: hum, I would assume that lsusb is right unless you have strong evidence of the opposite.
23:57<stuart>chealer: without that mulktimedia repository it becomes more difficult to install things like java, yes?
23:57<stuart>chealer: i can't see that package
23:58<chealer>stuart: depends on what you mean by "things like java", but for java itself, no.
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23:58<stuart>chealer: install java via SUN's instructions?
23:59<chealer>stuart: which Debian suite do you use?
23:59<sysop>chealer, Thank you... I tried with ndiswrapper and driver for winxp, loaded right but yet there is no wlan or rausb0 (ifconfig or iwconfig device)
23:59<stuart>not sure wot ure asking -- Debian etch, with gnome desktop
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