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00:19<geode>as lspci is to pci, as what is to firewire/ieee1394? I'm trying to figure out the chipset/vendor of a device attached to the bus.
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00:20<vortek>HI :)
00:20<jm_>gscanbus - scan IEEE1394 (firewire/ bus
00:20<vortek>Is there any way to make gmail some how send out email receipts? Maybe a programg ?
00:20<jm_>!tell geode -about search
00:21<geode>I tried search, but only got a bunch of libraries
00:21<geode>eg, aptitude search 1394
00:22<Mankod>vortek, umm how send out email receipts ? please detail more yourproblem !
00:23<jm_>that would be because aptitude doesn't search package descriptions using that option (only name)
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00:24<jm_>you'd want to start using search patterns in aptitude
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00:25<kop>I'm working with a serial console. Things are fine with grub (although I'd like to know more about preset menus under debian), and after the kernel boots. But the bios is grody. I'm sure it's doing lots of old IBM-PC graphic chars, and worse, the graphics spatter around the screen. I'm using minicom in vt102 mode. Anybody have any hints?
00:26<kop>geode : You might try searching packages at The interface there is easy.
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00:27<simonrvn>jm_! :)
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00:28<vortek>Mankod: I just want gmail to send a receipt to the sender so I know i he rejects or accepts th email. "It's actualy to help trak problems with my mothers email"
00:30<vortek>"so i know i he rejectts" So I know "IF" she rejects"
00:31<vortek>Because emails ae not going to hr shity yahoo from lots of peple and goole not helping
00:31<jm_>simonrvn: heya
00:31<vortek>please :) ? I know there has 2 b rpgrams
00:32<simonrvn>jm_: how's it going?
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00:41<jm_>simonrvn: same old - how about you? you started joining oftc now?
00:41<jm_>kop: minicom on console?
00:41<simonrvn>have for while, just the quiet chans
00:41<jm_>ohh, I thought I noticed your bot here a while ago
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00:43<helpme>That's a big topic message there.
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00:46<helpme>Is there anyone that is willing to point me in the direction of the solution to my problem..
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00:50<simonrvn>not running that bot right now, porbably will again after i fix it
00:51[~]helpme needs to know how to update from 2.2 to 2.6 when there is no 2.4 to be found.
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00:54<Supaplex>helpme: what debian release are you running?
00:54<jm_>how did you end up with 2.2 kernel and Debian release that no longer has 2.4 kernel?
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00:55<jm_>you obviously failed to follow Debian upgrade instructions
00:55<Supaplex>he's still using hamm or something ;)
00:55<Supaplex>well, hamm was 2.0 I bet.
00:55<helpme>I sorta didn't touch it for a few years.
00:56<helpme>2.6 depends on a version of libc6 that won't install unless I have kernel 2.4.1 or greater.
00:56<jm_>you need to upgrade to next release after what you have and continue doing so until you reach Etch
00:56<Supaplex>or, backup your data, and install the current release.
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00:59<helpme>So how exactly did that happen? Was there no 2.4 for debian?
00:59<Supaplex>there is in sarge
00:59<formorer>woody and sarge had 2.4
01:00<jm_>it happened because someone failed to read the documentation
01:00<helpme>what's the name of mine..
01:01<Supaplex>look at /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/issue
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01:01<helpme>says it's Lenny
01:01<Supaplex>or dpkg --version
01:02<Supaplex>lenny is testing
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01:04<Supaplex>if you say so. *shrug*
01:04<niru>if my debian-installer ia of one built
01:04<niru>can I use some udebs like ttf-dejavu-udeb from another version
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01:08<dpkg>udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius
01:08<helpme>If I can't find a 2.4 kernel in etch, would it be worth trying
01:09<streuner_>etch has only 2.6.x kernel(s) - no 2.4.x kernel
01:09<erikrocha>Hi! :D
01:09<helpme>I thought woody was moved to archive or whatnot
01:09<helpme> <- that news post
01:10<Supaplex>helpme: what's dpkg -l dpkg say?
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01:15<helpme>um..well I'll tell you after this download. :)
01:15<twb>helpme: you can't open another tty?
01:15<Requiem>Um, why is unrar missing from the repository?
01:15<Supaplex>!+info unrar
01:15<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
01:15<dpkg>unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
01:15<helpme>yeah I just stopped it anyway..
01:15<Supaplex>Requiem: it's in nonfree.
01:15<helpme>What do you want, the version?
01:15<jm_>helpme: yes, but I doubt using archive will help you now unless you manually downgrade to your real release
01:15<Requiem>I have nonfree...
01:15<Supaplex>helpme: yes
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01:15<Supaplex>helpme: that's somewhere between oldstable and stable.
01:15<twb>Requiem: the non-free unrar package in unrar-nonfree
01:15<twb>Oops, no it's not.
01:15<helpme>"somewhere" is about right.
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01:15<twb>Requiem: what architecture are you on?
01:16<twb>You mean i386?
01:16<jm_>then you don't have non-free repositories in sources.list or you failed to run apt-get update
01:17<Requiem>I did both of those
01:17<jm_>then you're not using Debian :)
01:17<Requiem>I'm looking at the non free repository list right now
01:17<Requiem>can't find anything
01:17<jm_>which Debian version?
01:18<jm_>see here
01:18<helpme>guys: If I change "stable" to "sarge" can I get a 2.4 that way? :/
01:19<twb>helpme: why do you want a 2.4 kernel?
01:20<helpme>so I can install that libc6 dependency for the 2.6
01:20<dondelelcaro>helpme: if you're running hamm or whatever, you need to upgrade stepwise.
01:20<twb>helpme: what do you mean by that?
01:20<dondelelcaro>helpme: you should upgrade to potato, then to woody, then to sarge, then to etch.
01:20<helpme>I can't find potato..
01:21<dondelelcaro>helpme: you'll find the old distributions mirrored on or similar
01:21<Requiem>jm_ That's nice, but it's not in the gaddomn repository
01:21<dondelelcaro>Requiem: it certainly is in the repository, it's just in non-free.
01:21<dondelelcaro>!+info unrar
01:21<jm_>Requiem: yes it is
01:21<dpkg>unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
01:21<dondelelcaro>Requiem: see above
01:21<twb>Requiem: perhaps your local mirror is damaged or incomplete.
01:21<helpme>nevermind I found potato
01:21<Requiem>Did I not just say that I'm looking in the non free repository right now?
01:21<dondelelcaro>Requiem: which non-free repository then?
01:22<dondelelcaro>!+info unrar etch
01:22<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
01:22<dpkg>unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB
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01:22<dondelelcaro>so it's in
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01:23<jm_>Requiem: Get:1 etch/non-free unrar 1:3.5.4-1 [92.2kB]
01:23<jm_>that's aptitude download output for you
01:24[~]helpme potatos.
01:24<dondelelcaro>jm_: shall we take bets on whether non-free is in his sources.list or not?
01:24[~]helpme fails to potato
01:26<jm_>dondelelcaro: I am not quite sure, he claims it's in sources.list and that "update" was run
01:26<Requiem>added, still nothing
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01:26<Supaplex>!tell Requiem -about sources.list
01:26<jm_>ahh :P
01:26<helpme>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ldso_1.9.11-9_i386.deb (--unpack):
01:26<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
01:26<helpme> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man8/', which is also in package manpages
01:27<jm_>so yes, dondelelcaro was right :)
01:27<Requiem>I had a different non free repository
01:27<Requiem>May or may not be complete
01:28<Requiem>the one you gave me doesn't seem to be working either though
01:28<dondelelcaro>Requiem: use a paste site to show us your sources.list
01:28<jm_>it is working just fine, but you're the error - fix your sources.list as per dpkg
01:28<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
01:29<helpme>oh geez, it's just a manpage.
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01:29<dondelelcaro>helpme: you want to use --force-confmiss
01:29<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
01:29<dondelelcaro>(and no, don't bother to file a bug if that's potato)
01:29<dpkg>The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>;
01:29<helpme>(file bugs? me? nah!)
01:29<Requiem>deb etch main <<The one you just gave me
01:29<dondelelcaro>helpme: err, --force-overwrite
01:30<dondelelcaro>Requiem: no, that's not what I gave you
01:30<dondelelcaro>and no, that definetly won't work
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01:30<Requiem>Then why did you tell me it was there?
01:30<dondelelcaro>Requiem: you should have a single line which says deb http://foomirror/debian etch main contrib non-free
01:30<helpme>my apt-get doesn't have a --force-overwrite
01:30<dondelelcaro>helpme: see what dpkg said
01:31<Requiem>what mirror?
01:31<helpme>oh there's a different ...nevermind
01:31<dondelelcaro>Requiem: one that's close to you
01:31<Requiem>that doesn't help me
01:31<niru>can I get metisse debian package
01:31<streuner_>!find metisse
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01:32<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'metisse' returned no results.
01:32<dondelelcaro>Requiem: sure it does. Pick a Debian mirror that is close to you. replace foomirror/debian with it. run apt-get update; install away.
01:32<streuner_>niru: "metisse"?
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01:32<Supaplex>!tell Requiem about mirrors
01:33<streuner_>niru: did you try the "search" factoid yet? (/msg dpkg search)
01:33<Supaplex>use a fishing pole for once.
01:33<dondelelcaro>streuner_: wonder if it's a badly done matisse forgery
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01:34<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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01:36<streuner_>oh, its the same like compiz or beryl, i guess
01:36<niru>streuner_, yes
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01:36<streuner_>!listkeys metisse
01:36<dpkg>Factoid search of 'metisse' by key returned no results.
01:37<streuner_>!listvals metisse
01:37<dpkg>Factoid search of 'metisse' by value returned no results.
01:37<niru>streuner_, any idea how can deb package of metisse
01:37<helpme>I found one
01:37<helpme>Is pentium 586 or 686?
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01:40<streuner_>niru: no idea
01:40<baloo>The cause of death is great...many of 'em are funny and almost all were self-preventable.
01:40<streuner_>niru: why not just using compiz-fusion?
01:41<niru>streuner_, I have used beryl and it works fine
01:41<baloo>And I"m looking at the wrong channel.
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01:42<Clawfinger||work>canyou help me
01:42<Supaplex>!tell Clawfinger||work -about ask
01:42<Clawfinger||work>I want to install Debian to my PC
01:43<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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01:43<Clawfinger||work>I got P2- 300 RAM 128Mb/ How fast would it work there?
01:44<streuner_>as server fine
01:44<Clawfinger||work>nope workstation
01:44<Supaplex>I have a whole cluster of those.
01:44<streuner_>as Desktop a PITA with DE's
01:44<Supaplex>avoid firefox and kde. use flwm and dillo, or elinks
01:44<Clawfinger||work>please explain what means PITA? I'm new to linux
01:45<dpkg>hmm... pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :)
01:45<Clawfinger||work>got it :)
01:45<Clawfinger||work>why i shouldn't use FFx? I like it
01:45<streuner_>modern browsers use plenty of RAM
01:45<Supaplex>well, you can, but it won't be pleasant
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01:46<Clawfinger||work>now the pc runs Win98 with ff pretty good
01:46<streuner_>any idea how old 98 is?
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01:46<Supaplex>I ran dillo+flwm on a p133 with only 32mb of ram (and swapd). that was atleast useable, until the cardbus corrupted the data on the cf card. :(
01:47<streuner_>its designed for that amount of RAM, but its a very old OS
01:47<Clawfinger||work>and what about epiphany or how it's called
01:47<Clawfinger||work>the browser by default instaled
01:48<streuner_>dillo is what you searching for
01:48<Supaplex>streuner_: my desktop is using 440MB ram and 76M of swap. I'm using kde, a few instances of FF (about 5 tabs open), and an instance of konsole (with 3 sessions)
01:48<streuner_>!info dillo
01:48<dpkg>dillo: (Small and fast web browser), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.5-4.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 351 kB, Installed size: 836 kB
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01:48<streuner_>it didnt have https, if you need https you might be out of luck...
01:48<Supaplex>but this box is 1.6ghz p4 1gb ram =)
01:48<Clawfinger||work>10nx I'll examin it
01:49<streuner_>there is/was a beta version for, but it didn't work well
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01:49<streuner_>argh, i need galeon (old version) back
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01:50<streuner_>all features and fast
01:50<Clawfinger||work>does it have a tabed browsing feature?
01:50<streuner_>it had eveything
01:51<Clawfinger||work>well what is faster and less resoure demanding Gnome or KDE?
01:52<streuner_>any WM
01:52<dpkg>well, window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
01:52<twb>Only crap wms decorate
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01:53<Clawfinger||work>so Gnome is WM or not?
01:53<Supaplex>flwm is very lean. :)
01:53<streuner_>DE (desktop environment)
01:54<streuner_>the same goes with KDE
01:54<Clawfinger||work>the difference betwean WM and DE is that WM = GUI DE=GUI+ smth. else?
01:55<Clawfinger||work>am i right?
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01:57<Kebianizao>I've had a problem with suspend and enabling swap. I hibernated after I had already upgraded the kernel so on next boot I could resume. I run then a 3rd different kernel but on the boot the swap couldn't be mounted
01:57<Kebianizao>the swap signature was gone in the process
01:58<Kebianizao>who's to blame? swapon or suspend?
01:58<Kebianizao>maybe me?
02:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
02:01<helpme>What's the syntax to downgrade a package?
02:01<Supaplex>!tell helpme -about downgrade
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02:04<helpme>This is my current sitation: packages too recent? :
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02:06<Supaplex>helpme: try using oldstable only entries in your sources.list, and upgrade as far as you can go. get on a 2.4 kernel to. have you tried that yet?
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02:07<helpme>I'm using woody as my only source..and I want to get that 2.4 kernel installed.
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02:08<baloo>What in the world?
02:08<helpme>Should I move on to the next one and try to get 2.4 from there? (and which is older, oldstable or sarge)
02:08<helpme>[That looked like an impressive netsplit]
02:08<baloo>Is this a floor or did I miss a netsplit?
02:09<baloo>Aah, OK.
02:09<baloo>All the sudden there's about three times as many people here.
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02:11<helpme>Q. Is oldstable == sarge?
02:11<Valombre>yes, helpme
02:16<bulkathos>how to install lenny
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02:16<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
02:18<Supaplex>bulkathos: install etch first. /msg dpkg lenny
02:18<helpme>Who owns dpkg(bot)?
02:18<jm_>dpkg who owns you
02:18<dpkg>dondelelcaro does
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02:22<baloo>Wow, shows you how long it's been since I paid attention to release names and numbers...last time I was paying attention to them, stable was symlinked to bo.
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02:22<baloo>I can't even remember how many releases back bo is now.
02:22<bulkathos>to supalex :What means "./msg dpkg lenny"
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02:23<dondelelcaro>!release history
02:23<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <>.
02:23<EmleyMoor>How do I use the gnome desktop on my vnc server?
02:23<dondelelcaro>the above is how I don't even have to try to remember
02:23<baloo>So it's been a decade since I've been paying attention. Wow.
02:24<Supaplex>and they say debian is old. it's all baloo's fault. ;)
02:24<EmleyMoor>(I'm getting icewm instead at present)
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02:25<baloo>Heh, I only really remember bo because my high school used it when I was a freshman, and going to school literally a single stop on the light rail from Nike's world headquarters...
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02:25<Kebianizao>EmleyMoor: what's the problem. Please explain a little better
02:25<baloo>...we were always coming up with things like "Bo Knows 2.0.36!"
02:26<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao: When I start a VNC server, it starts an icewm session in it. I want the gnome desktop instead, as per when I am at home
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02:28<Kebianizao>I thought vnc servers were unrelated to window managers, roughly speak it should just show a series of interactive screenshots taken from the remote computer, isn't it?
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02:29<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao: No. A vnc server is an X display in its own right, unless you're running one that gives you access to the actual screen as at home
02:30<Kebianizao>then it should be a matter of configuring the vnxc server you're using
02:30<EmleyMoor>But how?
02:30<Kebianizao>you should tell us first the one you're using :)
02:31<Kebianizao>still I have some discrepancies with your concept, but it will be ok
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02:31<tupa>is there a distro to use linux while running windows?
02:32<EmleyMoor>Is there more than one? I would be able to give you a more accurate answer if I had some way of looking it up. I'm running etch if that helps
02:32<baloo>tupa: No, though there's not much point in running Windows on bare metal.
02:32<Kebianizao>EmleyMoor: aptitude search vnc |grep '^i'
02:33<Kebianizao>you should have at least one
02:33<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao: That won't work in irssi
02:33<Kebianizao>you should do that on command line :)
02:33<baloo>tupa: It also sounds like you're asking a small question about a bigger issue. What's the end result you're looking to acheive by that?
02:34<Kebianizao>EmleyMoor: that sounds better
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02:35<EmleyMoor>It wouldn't be so bad but they don't like us Xforwarding from untrusted machines here
02:35<tupa>baloo, this friend broke his system, so he has no Cd-Drive, and his USB is not properly configured in the installation application, so we found a tutorial that needs linux dump a special installation image for usb sticks
02:36<Supaplex>tupa: ?
02:37<helpme>Q. How do I know if my bootloader is using initrd properly (so I can upgrade my kernel w/o worrying)?
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02:37<EmleyMoor>helpme: Are you doing this the Debian way?
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02:38<Supaplex>helpme: keep the old kernel around? better yet, keep a rescue cd available.
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02:38<Supaplex>!tell helpme -about rescue
02:38<Kebianizao>EmleyMoor: I suggest you looking into the vnc4server documentation, since I'm not fond of vnc
02:38<helpme>yes the debian way
02:38<EmleyMoor>helpme: Don't worry about it
02:39<Supaplex>EmleyMoor: he's heading from a 2.2 kernel on up.
02:39<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao: Is there some command I could run in .vnc/xstartup (or similar) that will start the gnome desktop?
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02:41<Kebianizao>EmleyMoor: I'm sorry but I'm not either familiar with gnome and bare x starting procedures
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02:42<Kebianizao>what since the concept shoud be similar to kde, I'd do startx and then starkde on that display
02:42<EmleyMoor>I don't currently have access to a web browser - which doesn't help
02:43<Kebianizao>this is, vnc would create a new x instance and you'd have to start gnome there, ther should be a similar gnome command to the startkde one
02:43<Kebianizao>I'd do 'DISPLAY=<vncdisplay> startgnome' probably
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02:44<Supaplex>EmleyMoor: why not install one?
02:45<EmleyMoor>Supaplex: I have a machine with one installed just to my right - but no access to it as it is taking ages to apply settings
02:45<Supaplex>ahh. fire up a new terminal on the local one? elinks :)
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02:45[~]Supaplex <3's the mouse support
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02:46<EmleyMoor>Supaplex: If local == 15 miles away, maybe
02:46<Supaplex>the one you're typing on :P
02:47<EmleyMoor>Yes, that's 15 miles away. I don't think elinks will quite cut it for what I'm after anyway
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02:47<Supaplex>you must have some long fingers
02:47<twb>Supaplex: all the better to finger you with
02:48<helpme>"/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 845: ldd: command not found" <- oh no! What's this?
02:48<Supaplex>helpme: install ldd? :)
02:48<Supaplex>ldd (1) - print shared library dependencies
02:49<helpme>is there a package for that?
02:49<helpme>or am I searching my apt-cache for the wrong thing
02:49<twb>helpme: libc6
02:50<Supaplex>dpkg -S `which ldd` == libc6: /usr/bin/ldd (on etch)
02:50<dpkg>Package: `which ldd` == libc6: /usr/bin/ldd (on etch): Status: install ok installed
02:50[~]Supaplex nudges dpkg off balance
02:51<EmleyMoor>OK - what's the command to start the gnome desktop?
02:51<twb>EmleyMoor: if I tell you, you might run it
02:52<twb>I can't take that risk
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02:52<EmleyMoor>twb: Do you think it's a bad thing, then?
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02:52<helpme>I certainly have libc6...but I don't know why I don't have a ldd.
02:52<Kebianizao>helpme: which ldd
02:53<Kebianizao>helpme: test it's working
02:53<twb>Kebianizao: if it's not in his path, that won't work.
02:53<Kebianizao>ldd /bin/ls
02:53<helpme>which ldd is blank
02:53<helpme>I have a lddlibc4 for some reason.
02:53<Kebianizao>helpme: dpkg -L libc6
02:53<Kebianizao>or even better dpkg -L libc6 |grep ldd
02:54<helpme>again: /usr/bin/lddlibc4
02:54<twb>Is there a version of dpkg -L that doesn't include directories?
02:54<helpme>or dpkg -L libc6 |grep ldd ==>> /usr/bin/lddlibc4
02:54<Kebianizao>helpme: what arch are you on?
02:55<Kebianizao>and what libc6 version do you have?
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02:57<helpme>i386 and I don't know the syntax for checking libc6's version at the moment.
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02:57<Supaplex>use dpkg -l <package>
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02:58<Kebianizao>on etch that should be: 2.3.6.ds1-13
02:59<helpme>I'm working on sarge atm.
02:59<Kebianizao>that changes eveything
02:59<Kebianizao>I can't remember much for sarge
02:59<helpme>Once I get a kernel to 2.4 I'm going to step up to etch and then get it to 2.6 (because libc6 that's required for 2.6 requries kernel 2.4.1+)
02:59<Kebianizao>but ldd shouldn't have changed much since that
03:00<helpme>yeah, but my ldd is completely missing for some reason.
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03:00<Kebianizao>oldstable libc6 version is 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6
03:01<EmleyMoor>twb: You are Mick Fitzgerald and I claim my 7 Euros <vbg>
03:01<Kebianizao>why do you want a kernel 2.4?
03:01<helpme>because it wouldn't let me install 2.6 without it. Last I tried anyway.
03:02<Kebianizao>what version are you on now?
03:02<Kebianizao>:O :O
03:03<Kebianizao>but 2.4 should be available for sarge, right?
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03:03<helpme>Yes. And that's what I was doing, installing 2.4 when it fell apart because it couldn't find ldd.
03:04<EmleyMoor>It turned out all I had to do was change "window" to "session" in .vnc/xstartup
03:04<helpme>(Tangent: What is the correct term for getting a new kernel version? Upgrading? Updating? Installing?)
03:04<Kebianizao>oh, ok now I'm up to date
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03:04<Kebianizao>there's a slight difference between install and upgrade IMHO
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03:04<Kebianizao>I meant up-to-date to your issue, BTW :)
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03:06<Kebianizao>have your sarge system uptodate as well?
03:06<Kebianizao>including security updates and the rest?
03:06<helpme>It's apt-get upgraded including non-free and security apart from the kernel.
03:07<Kebianizao>search there for ldd
03:07<Kebianizao>do you happen to have anything related to amd64?
03:07<helpme>Not that I'm aware of.
03:08<helpme>but I see what you're saying.
03:08<Kebianizao>do you see, you have ldd missing for real, reinstall libc6
03:08<helpme>If I removed a package with it, it would have taken ldd with it.
03:08<helpme>and that's dpkg -i libc6?
03:09<Kebianizao>TBH I hadn't think of that posibility yet :D
03:09<Kebianizao>helpme: apt-get better I think
03:09<Kebianizao>apt-get reinstall could work
03:09<helpme>my apt-get has no reinstall
03:10<stew>helpme: apt-get install --reinstall packagename
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03:10<Kebianizao>then look for it in the archive which should be on /var/cahe/apt I think
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03:10<Kebianizao>stew to the rescue :D
03:10<helpme>thanks stew
03:11<stew>helpme: you are trying to upgrade to etch?
03:11<stew>helpme: are you follwing chapter 4 of the release notes?
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03:12<helpme>Of course not. :) I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
03:13<stew>helpme: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
03:13<helpme>"Reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." aww.
03:13<helpme>I'm still working on sarge at the moment.
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03:14<Kebianizao>there's something wicked with that package since you don't have the latest sarge version on a sarge system
03:14<stew>helpme: what version of libc6 is installed now?
03:14<helpme>The wrong one
03:14<helpme>probably too new.
03:14<helpme>(for sarge)
03:14<streuner>helpme: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
03:14<stew>helpme: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 " use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
03:15<helpme>yeah 4.1.5 Support for 2.2-kernels has been dropped
03:15<helpme>That's me in a nutshell.
03:15<Kebianizao>helpme: this is like free SW you can choose what to do now
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03:15<helpme>hang on, let me scroll up
03:15<streuner>helpme: why aren't you answer our questions?
03:16<Kebianizao>helpme: it's recommended to upgrade to 2.6.8, BTW since there could be some issue with your current libc6 do as they told you
03:16<streuner>oh god
03:16<stew>helpme: so you are running something between sarge and etch.
03:16<helpme>I kn0w!
03:16<stew>helpme: anyway, your best bet is following the procedure in the release notes
03:16<Kebianizao>stew: I have the impression that with such a lost libc6 will fail as it's the case
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03:17<helpme>I'm trying it now.
03:18<stew>Kebianizao: i didn't understand that sentence, what will fail?
03:18<helpme>My ldd is missing.
03:18<stew>helpme: /usr/bin/ldd doesn't exist?
03:18<helpme>my /usr/bin/ldd is missing for reasons unknown.
03:18<helpme>100% correct. it is gone.
03:18<streuner>thats very odd
03:19<helpme>Can't reinstall with --reinstall libc6.
03:19<stew>helpme: does any version of libc6 exist in /var/cache/apt/archives? if so, which ?
03:20<helpme>Only two versions. libc6_2.3.6 and it's dev version
03:21<Kebianizao>helpme: or take this directly and install with dpkg -i
03:22<stew>helpme: what arch are you on?
03:23<stew>helpme: wget that one and install it with dpkg -i
03:23<helpme>wget to /archives?
03:23<stew>helpme: to anywhere
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03:23[~]helpme downloads.
03:24<Kebianizao>stew: why that one?
03:24<stew>helpme: oh wait
03:24<stew>i thought i got his
03:24<stew>i got 2.3.6 not 2.3.5
03:24[~]helpme cancels
03:24<tupa>what happens if some intelligent person wants to install ubuntu having a debian box, so he changes his sources to ubuntu's and does apt-get upgrade?
03:25<stew>helpme: 2005/08/31/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb
03:25<jm_>tupa: they get banned in #debian
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03:25<stew>tupa: someone finds themself with neither #debian not #ubuntu willing to support their install
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03:26<Kebianizao>helpme: what tupa says is worst that being between sarge and etch :P
03:26<helpme>I got that distinct impression.
03:26<tupa>jm_ not me though :P
03:26<helpme>You mean "worse than being between sarge and etch with an unsupported kernel"
03:27<Kebianizao>stew: still I'd like to know why should he install 2.5.6-6 and not sarge latest?
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03:27<Kebianizao>helpme: err I didn't in that last part
03:27[~]Kebianizao doubts now
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03:27<helpme>because it's reinstalling my current libc6
03:27<stew>Kebianizao: becuase having him downgrade right now is going to require him to also downgrade every other package he has installed which is dependent on his newer version of libc6
03:27<warfick>hello everyone
03:28<helpme>ldd is back!
03:28<stew>Kebianizao: the reason he has a newer than sarge version of libc6 now is most likelyt hat he installed some packages depending on a newer than sarge version of libc6, so he'd have to downgrade all of those at once
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03:29<helpme>I wanted to upgrade my php5
03:29<Kebianizao>and wouldn't it be more sensible to return to a whole sarge (e.g. known state) system?
03:30<stew>Kebianizao: that would take a long time and require lots of work just to then, in turn, upgrade all the recently downgraded packages
03:30<stew>helpme: now i'd suggest sticking to the script in chapter 4 of the release notes
03:30<Kebianizao>I see, thanks for the explanation
03:31<stew>Kebianizao: if apt-get / aptitude would be willing to automatically downgrade him to sarge it would pehaps be a good idea, but he'd have to go and fix all of the newly broken packages manually as soon as he queues a downgrade to libc6
03:32<stew>(he'd have to since they AREN'T willing to automatically downgrade, if that wasn't clear)
03:33<Kebianizao>right becuase he told that he already did an apt-get upgrade
03:33<stew>and we know he did, since he has a new libc6
03:33<Kebianizao>helpme: out of curiosity, could you paste your sources.list?
03:33<stew>or at least he did something to get it upgraded
03:33<helpme>actually it was some of lenny in there too.
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03:34<helpme>I was trying to upgrade php5, which wanted an upgrade of apache2, which needed an upgrade of apache2-mpm-prefork and I think the libc6 was its dependency.
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03:35<Kebianizao>helpme: :O
03:35<stew>both php5 and apache would have a versioned libc6 as a dependency
03:35<helpme>My sources list:
03:35<Kebianizao>helpme: maybe that little insignificant clue would have helped before,don't you think :/
03:35<helpme>well I think apache2 requested it first.
03:36<stew>well anything written in C is going to have a versioned depends on libc6
03:37<stew>they are all versioned depends becuase libc6 is a (the only?) shared lib with non-versioned symbols
03:37<Kebianizao>helpme: please next time try to provide more accurate information. including that thing you shladn't have done and indeed did
03:38<helpme>Heh, well, you guys did come half-way through.
03:38<Kebianizao>also that sources.list doesn't reflect you're real system status now
03:38<stew>and requesting php5 that requests apache2 there is no real concept of which requested it "first", they all just become part of some 'solution' to a package dependency 'problem'
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03:38<Kebianizao>helpme: ok, I accept that
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03:39<stew>helpme: you really dont want to have testing and unstable in your sources.list
03:39<Kebianizao>stew: why not?
03:39<helpme>Not anymore I don't. :)
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03:40<stew>Kebianizao: becuase stable and {testing,unstable} don't mix well
03:41<Kebianizao>oh, right
03:41<stew>and him having them in their now is akin to skipping the etch release, which is not supported
03:42<stew>(depending on what pinning he might have setup)
03:42<Kebianizao>yes, that's also important to know
03:43<Kebianizao>well, this has been neither a common nor sensible case
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03:43<Kebianizao>I'll try again with my question today:
03:43<Kebianizao>I've had a problem with suspend and enabling swap. I hibernated after I had already upgraded the kernel so on next boot I could resume. I run then a 3rd different kernel but on the boot the swap couldn't be mounted
03:44<helpme>I killed it.
03:44[~]Kebianizao feels channel's hotter now
03:44<Kebianizao>helpme: what?
03:44<helpme>It's dead! I killed my computer.
03:45<Kebianizao>please explain
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03:45<helpme>It gets to "Loading linux........" and then reboots.
03:46<Kebianizao>f$%&g lilo
03:46<Kebianizao>what did you do?
03:46<helpme>I tried to update the kernel.
03:46<Kebianizao>to what?
03:47<Kebianizao>stew: you see, I think this is one of the points for going to a real stable system, even that is more work
03:47<helpme>specific information is a bit unavailable at the moment.
03:47<stew>Kebianizao: what do you mean by "this"?
03:47<Kebianizao>system not booting
03:48<Kebianizao>s/for/in favour/
03:48<stew>i don't see why
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03:49<stew>helpme: you should still be able to boot to your previous working kernel, right?
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03:49<Kebianizao>I think chances to have an unbootable system are lower with a real stable system
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03:50<helpme>Is there some sort of function key I should push?
03:50<stew>Kebianizao: lots of peple upgraded to etch from pre-release etch versions without having to downgrade from etch to sarge before upgrading to etch, it was a well testing thing to do
03:51<stew>helpme: do you use lilo or grub or what?
03:51<stew>helpme: left shift key
03:51<helpme>It's sorta down the other end of the house, so brb.
03:53<helpme>It's alive again!
03:54<stew>helpme: what doesn "uname -r" say? and exactly what command did you type to upgrade the kernel?
03:55<helpme>It's 2.2.20-idepci and I typed apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.(something)-3-686
03:55<dpkg>i guess idepci is 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Do so now.
03:55<Kebianizao>stew: right
03:55<helpme>I didn't even install that kernel myself.
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03:56<stew>helpme: no you didn't the installer did, but you were supposed to replace it at the end of the install
03:56<stew>helpme: anyway, 2.6.8-3-686 was the right kernel to install, do you have any idea why it wasn't booting?
03:56<stew>helpme: did lilo.conf know about the initrd?
03:57<Kebianizao>stew: that should have started loading at least, shouldn't it?
03:57<stew>Kebianizao: yes
03:57<helpme>I put in initrd=/initrd.img but I don't know if I put it in the right section. Nonetheless the installer saw it and linked it symbolically to my kernel image.
03:57<stew>helpme: can you put your lilo.conf into a pastebin?
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03:58<stew>helpme: and what does "ls -l /initrd.img" return?
03:58<helpme> - lilo.conf
03:58<helpme>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Jul 31 16:36 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686
03:59<stew>helpme: you should have put it in the "image=/vmlinuz" section, not the "image=/vmlinuz.old" section
04:00<helpme> that it?
04:00<stew>(which actually, possibly makes it somewhat lucky that 2.2.20 is still bootable)
04:00<helpme>Yeah I realised that just then too.
04:01<stew>helpme: you might consider making a separate stanza that points directly to /boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-idepci so that one has a better chance of not going away
04:01<stew>helpme: and after you make those changes, of course, rerun lilo
04:03[~]stew never knows when the right time is to suggest that someone might actually be better off using grub
04:03<stew>but doing it at times like these always seems like maybe asking for trouble, maybe asking for less trouble
04:04<Kebianizao>I'll always think that I should have used grub from my begginings
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04:04<Supaplex>grub rawx
04:04<helpme>I'm gonna go try it again.
04:04<Supaplex>I use pxegrub to :)
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04:05<stew>many of my machines are back to lilo as I move more machines to lvm
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04:07<sigp239>how do I setup grub to dual boot along with windows which is installed on /dev/sda4 ?
04:08<stew>sigp239: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples has examples
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04:08<helpme>It did it again.
04:08<stew>helpme: what is the error?
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04:09<helpme>Loading Linux .............................. (something normal) BIOS data ^*#REBOOT$(^$
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04:09<helpme>So no error printout as such.
04:09<helpme>The existing kernel is fine.
04:10<stew>helpme: it starts to boot then spontaneously reboots?
04:11<helpme>It never gets to "Uncompressing Linux"
04:11<helpme>it reboots before that.
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04:11<Supaplex>helpme: what cpu is this?
04:11<helpme>Pentium 200Mhz w/ MMX
04:12<stew>helpme: you want a -486 kernel not a -686 kernel then
04:12<stew>helpme: err, i mean -386 kernel, not -486 or -686
04:13<helpme>I asked earlier and someone said 686. *shrug*
04:13<stew>helpme: someone made a bad assumption
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04:14<Supaplex>even my geode supports 686. how odd.
04:14<Supaplex>my bad. :)
04:15<helpme>It was you? *gape* ;)
04:15<stew>helpme: and NOW is when you should really be careful about that happens with your 2.2.20 kernel, if you just install a -386 kernel, then the (not useful) -686 kernel becomes "Linux-old" and if you were using "Linux-old" to boot 2.2.20, then 2.2.20 will no longer be available
04:15<helpme>but I have a linux_2.2.20 in there now like you suggested.
04:15<stew>helpme: and does that entry DEFINATELY boot?
04:16<Kebianizao>isnt' a MMX a 686?
04:17<Eulex>ppro was the first 686
04:18<Supaplex>the kernel is suppose to warn about bad cpus on bootup. I've seen the code that yells "hey, I'm only a 386!" or some such, with a way to bypass that stopgap.
04:18<helpme>there is a 486 version
04:18<helpme>of this kernel
04:18<Kebianizao>for the case 386 is safer
04:18<Supaplex>evil memory in use. 666m :P
04:18<helpme>wait no, there's not
04:18<sheldonh>i see most linux systems seem to provide the mtree utility in a bsd-derived package, as if mtree isn't a very "linux thing" -- what do linux-heads use instead?
04:19<stew>helpme: no, there is not -486 until you get to etch
04:19<stew>sheldonh: what does "mtree" do?
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04:20<sheldonh>stew: produces human- and machine-readable output that describes the permissions and ownerships of the filesystem objects in a directory tree
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04:21<azeem>it's in freebsd5-buildutils
04:21<sheldonh>azeem: yes, i know you can get it if you need iut
04:22<sheldonh>azeem: but the fact that it's pretty clearly identified as bsdish on more than one linux distro makes me think it's an affordance for bsd people, and that linux people tend to use something else
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04:22<stew>"find | xargs ls -ld" ?
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04:22<azeem>sheldonh: maybe check the bug-coreutils archives on whether this was discussed for inclusion in coreutils
04:23<stew>crap just made a bad commit, i should really be in bed
04:23<Supaplex>bed? what's that?
04:23<Supaplex>!caffinate stew
04:23[~]dpkg gives stew a bottle of Coke
04:24<sheldonh>stew: yeah, with a bit of awk, that'll give me a description file. then i need to write a script to apply it
04:24<sigp239>stew: I set up menu.1st according to the way I thought was right, but when I boot up I do not see the entry I made for Windows.
04:24<sheldonh>stew: so in your experience, there isn't such a tool that people know and love that's available in most distros?
04:25<azeem>sheldonh: it's called "File Manager", maybe
04:25<sheldonh>azeem: no idea what that is
04:25<azeem>sheldonh: maybe if you pastebin'd sample output from mtree, somebody might be more able to propose an alternative
04:25<stew>sheldonh: since i've still not looked at this tool, i'm probably not the guy to ask. but to get the info you seem to be describing (not ever having heard of this tool) i'd probably be doing some combination of find | xargs ls or find | xargs stat or something
04:25<azeem>but it really sounds like some convience tool glueing together two other shell commands
04:26<sheldonh>azeem: consider it a lightweight tripwire :)
04:27<helpme>I've got good news and bad news: It boots, but it has lost its network connectivity.
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04:29<sheldonh>actually, i think that's the answer... people are probably using tripwire for this
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04:37<Kebianizao>helpme: not so ba
04:37<helpme>Where do I look for drivers for my debian-box's network card? The new kernel failed to load it.
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04:38<alex>hello, i found my old distro back (knoppix) now hes bit oud dated... so i try to update my system (upgrade) but i dont know how :( su apt-get update wont work ...
04:38<serge>Hello! Where is sudoers file in Etch?
04:39<Maulkin>alex: try #knoppix
04:39<alex>k ty
04:39<Maulkin>serge: /etc/sudoers
04:39<Kebianizao>serge: /etc
04:39<sep>serge, use the visudo command
04:39<Maulkin>serge: but you shoudl use visudo
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04:39<serge>Maulkin: there is no /etc/sudoers in my installation. Is it wrong?..
04:40<serge>ok. .. visudo
04:40<Maulkin>serge: do you have sudo installed?
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04:41<twb>Is there a sandbox pseudopackage that I can use to demonstrate reportbug(1) and usage?
04:42<serge>Maulkin: .. it looks :) well, let me fix.. I didn't know that it's not installing as Base system.. Ok, thanks.
04:43<padski>twb: if there isn't you could file a bug against the pseudo-package asking for one as your demonstration ;-)
04:44<gsimmons>twb: For reportbug, you can use '-d' to have the report sent to yourself, rather than the maintainer.
04:44<mikegrb>heh, good idea padski
04:45<padski>mikegrb: thank you, I'm here all week :-)
04:45<twb>gsimmons: still, I'd rather not file bugs against arbitrary packages just to demonstrate reportbug
04:46<gsimmons>twb: Sure, you wouldn't want to have people leaving off that option by mistake, etc.
04:47<padski>but it is a nice way to enable you to file against any package
04:47<padski>twb: I think your idea is a good one for if you want to demonstrate the on-line parts of the system
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04:52<twb>I'm reporting it as a bug, as suggested
04:53<mikegrb>[04:47:36] <%fo0bar> <-- the Debian weather-making-machine is now operational
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04:55<KaiSVK>hi there
04:55<Kebianizao>mikegrb: :D
04:56<KaiSVK>how can one change the font during booting and on the virtual terminals ?
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04:56<Kebianizao>KaiSVK: console-setup?
04:57[~]twb loves the console-setup
04:57<helpme>10ec8139 Yes Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139 8139too,8139cp v2.6.21
04:57<helpme>Fails to work after my 2.2->2.6 kernel upgrade
04:57<twb>teeny tiny terminus fonts, 320 characters across
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04:59<jm_>KaiSVK: read FB docs
04:59<Kebianizao>helpme: have you tried loading those modules?
04:59<Kebianizao>they are exclusive
05:00<jm_>kernel has some built in fonts and you can use those, I have used 4x6 font in the past when I needed something really tiny
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05:01<helpme>Kebianizao: What do I have to change to make it the same as my previous kernel?
05:01<helpme>oh wait..
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05:03<helpme>Ok, so I've got a bucketload of files in lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci and almost none in 2.6.8-4-386. Apart from 8139too.o, what else should I copy over?
05:03<Kebianizao>helpme: stop there, don't even try to mix binaries between kernels.
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05:03<helpme>where I get a new one
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05:04<Kebianizao>modprobe -l 8139*
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05:05[~]Kebianizao tells helpme off for the previous thing
05:06[~]Kebianizao is still thinking about trying to copy binary module object from a 2.2 to a 2.6
05:07<helpme>what does modprobe do
05:08<helpme>I mean, do you have an example.
05:08<themill>helpme: loads modules into the kernel to give hardware support
05:08<Maulkin>man modprobe
05:08<Kebianizao>helpme: did you do that command? and?
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05:09<Supaplex>modprobe (8) - program to add and remove modules from the Linux Kernel
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05:10<KaiSVK>fonts are better
05:10<KaiSVK>but ... now exactly what I wanted
05:10<KaiSVK>I wanted fonts like in opensuse or gentoo are
05:10<KaiSVK>does anyone know please ?
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05:13<Supaplex>like what fonts?
05:14<KaiSVK>like those in suse or gentoo I have seen
05:15<themill>KaiSVK: we don't use suse or gentoo, we use debian. Can you tell us the names of the fonts? or at least what they looked like?
05:15<KaiSVK>something like this
05:15<Supaplex>I've only used gentoo as a server, and only dabbled with suse. I don't really know what fonts you're talking about. However, maybe you can search for others
05:15<Supaplex>!tell KaiSVK -about search
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05:15<bcochofel>Can I start several programs on different tabs when I start gnome-terminal?
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05:18<Kebianizao>KaiSVK: do you mean color?
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05:19<KaiSVK>Kebianizao yes, but the fonts are diffrent
05:19<KaiSVK>see on the screenshot ?
05:19<KaiSVK>somebody know what I mean ? :)
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05:19<KaiSVK>I know I am not exact today... but it is theme hard to talk about
05:19<helpme>Kebianizao, bbs
05:19<KaiSVK>and I know it's a silly thingy, but didn't want Debian to be sexy again ? ;)
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05:21<Kebianizao>KaiSVK: I see your point but you are not providing info enough, at least a font name
05:21<Kebianizao>anyway I see it quite similar (if not same) to debian font I get using console-setup
05:21<KaiSVK>Kebianizao aaaah :( I just dont know, see the picture
05:22<KaiSVK>Kebianizao which one ?
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05:23<Kebianizao>KaiSVK: whatever your like in /usr/share/consolefonts
05:24<KaiSVK>Kebianizao aaah thanx... I will see what I can "do"
05:24<KaiSVK>Kebianizao it would be great and sexy to see next deb release with sexy booting font and console fonts :/
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05:25<Kebianizao>I'd prefer proper boot beautyfication, e.g. colors, tabs in a robust way
05:25<Kebianizao>people is working on that I think
05:26<KaiSVK>Kebianizao do you know some link to those people ?
05:26<monra>themill, I fixed it! I installed a ready package XAMPP and then go to mysql properties and make it show to the new mysql installed and now works! :)
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05:27<Cyorxamp>Does anyone know of a nice howto for setting up a news server? revolving around debian? (not a relay, just an empty newsserver nntp, make my own groups)
05:27<Kebianizao>sysv-rc-bootsplash is the package and Free Ekanayaka freee at debian(dot) org is the maintainer you could start there
05:27<Kebianizao>or maybe there's a list about that
05:28<formorer>KaiSVK: yeah, having fun with broken framebuffer drivers and this pretty broken bootsplash implementation per defaults sounds like fun
05:30<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: personally i liked sn
05:30<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: it should be very simple to set up
05:30<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: but i don't know if it is full featured
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05:31<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: i.e. can handle exotic nntp requests
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05:37<Supaplex>YEHAW! fimeware update on my firewire enclosure apparently WERKS! YIPPIE!
05:38<Cyorxamp>Harzilein: I could use a proper guide, i've had no luck in setting this up so far
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05:40<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: did you even do apt-get install sn so far?
05:40<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: and had a look at its readme?
05:40<Supaplex>no more sbp2: sbp2util_node_write_no_wait failed. messages :)
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05:42<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: of course if you want a more "industrial grade" solution instead i can understand you want a howto
05:42<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: but sn should be dead easy if you just follow the documentation
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05:48<Cyorxamp>Harzilein: isn't sn just for normal usenet tho?
05:48<Cyorxamp>I don't want it to connect to other places
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05:49<Cyorxamp>setting up the servers (of those tried) isn't an issue, its configuring the things
05:49<Cyorxamp>and working out how your supposed to make new groups in them
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05:54<Cyorxamp>Harzilein: for example, I've told sn NOT to use cron jobs as I don't want it to get 'new news'
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06:00<Harzilein><Cyorxamp> Harzilein: isn't sn just for normal usenet tho?
06:00<Harzilein>it's _intended_ for that, but it can also run local groups
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06:01<Harzilein>Cyorxamp: well, if you told it that and it still does, i'd consider it a bug with the debian package
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06:03<Cyorxamp>Harzilein: so all I've got is 'man sn'
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06:03<Cyorxamp>any kind of pages or guides?
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06:08<metaur>Cyorxamp: The sn homepage mentions a mailing list.
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06:11<Supaplex>uh do pci devices just magicly go stupid? ... this use to be my ieee1394 controller :P 00:07.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Gammagraphx, Inc. Unknown device [0000:0002] (rev 08)
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06:13<Kebianizao>Supaplex: what's the problem?
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06:13<Le_Vert>hi people
06:13<Supaplex>oh and hardware compatibility
06:13<Le_Vert>is there someone that check for dkim signed mails here ?
06:13<Le_Vert>i just set up dkimproxy
06:14<Supaplex>oh and SUCKFACE vendors that release garbage. </gripe>
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06:14<Le_Vert>I would know if the signature works fine
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06:18<Kebianizao>Supaplex: you said that worked, don't you?
06:18<helpme>If I want to load a module at startup I need to add a line to /lib/modules/module.dep ?
06:18<Kebianizao>helpme: no
06:18<Kebianizao>to /etc/modules
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06:19<Kebianizao>that file lists inter module relationships, updated with depmod (automatically done when needed)
06:20<Supaplex>well, it did for a minute or two. the kernel messages didn't happen. but suddenly durring a fsck -nf /dev/sda4 the machine locked up hard. I power cycled it and all connected devices, and the firewire card appears to be toast. :( like wtf.
06:20<Kebianizao>oops, that hurts
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06:20<Kebianizao>I hope it's not as serious as it seems
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06:21<Kebianizao>Supaplex: kernel ver?
06:21<Supaplex>debian stock 2.6.18-4
06:21<Kebianizao>any chance to update? the FW stack has been rewritten for 2.6.22
06:21<Supaplex>actually, it's based on debian stock - but with static nfsroot,nfs,and ethernet drivers (for pxeboot)
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06:22<Supaplex>I'm not sure what good it'll do on a card that's semingly dead. lspci shows it as a rogue device.
06:22<Supaplex>00:07.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Gammagraphx, Inc. Unknown device [0000:0002] (rev 08)
06:23<Supaplex>I've checked the seating, and it appears good...
06:23<ploinkerstone>gentlebeings, I must be braindead - it's the initrd issue that seems to have thwarted my plans for a shiny new kernel again
06:23<ploinkerstone>it's the umpteenth time that it turns out botched
06:23<Kebianizao>Supaplex: lspci -nn
06:24<Supaplex>the machine's off, but this was just before I turned it off: 00:07.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Gammagraphx, Inc. Unknown device [0000:0002] (rev 08)
06:24<Kebianizao>you could also try to see if it's indeed dead using latest knoppix, HW behaves weirdly, you know
06:24<sortadi>what's the access level por admins?
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06:24<Supaplex>I'd sooner roll a .22 kernel then meddle with 'based on debain' (unless it's my hand that's altering it!)
06:24<Kebianizao>Supaplex: what I'm trying to know if the wrong identification is dued to any lspci id list rather than a misreporting from the card
06:25<Supaplex>lspci was fine 1h ago
06:25<Kebianizao>Supaplex: .22 is already in unstable
06:25<ploinkerstone>cramfs and romfs are supported, and I have mkinitramfs tools as well as yaird installed - and yet four times out of five that I've compiled a kernel the Debian way, the reboot was the most disappointing thing since I'd last run out of hash
06:25<Kebianizao>lspci relies on some kind of list somewhere, maybe the list is wrong
06:25<Supaplex>all I know is that it was some via chipset
06:26<Supaplex>then why did the pci bus id go to this? 0000:0002
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06:26<Supaplex>it's a vt6306 chipset
06:26<ploinkerstone>god, via chipsets . . . I've had exactly the same problem with a PCI usb interface just the other day - all zeroes and no signs of life
06:27<Kebianizao>ploinkerstone: and then?
06:27<ploinkerstone>and then I gave up on it\
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06:28<Kebianizao>really? was it so bad?
06:28<ploinkerstone>I've tried pretty much everything
06:28<ploinkerstone>lspci, lsusb, hwinfo and so on
06:28<ploinkerstone>but I lack the skills necessary for hacking the damned thing at firmware level
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06:29<Kebianizao>uff, that sounds very bad
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06:29<ifvoid>ploinkerstone: eyah, I'm avoiding all thing via nowadays
06:29<Kebianizao>I'd try knoppix as nearly latest resort
06:29<ploinkerstone>I'm more concerned with the ramdisk that won't boot
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06:29<ploinkerstone>dunno - it's a hardware issue, I'm certain
06:30<ploinkerstone>the mainboard was also via chipset-ridden
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06:31<ploinkerstone>it's a 200Mhz Pentium MMX with 64 megs of RAM that I intended to use as a DSL gateway
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06:31<ploinkerstone>but this ordeal is far from over
06:31<ploinkerstone>especially given that the modem in question is a wretched USB affair
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06:31<Supaplex>it's a curse!
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06:31<Supaplex>beware of the via
06:32<ploinkerstone>there's like four people living in this flat
06:32<ploinkerstone>Via Dolorosa
06:32<ploinkerstone>and everyone's more or less online
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06:33<ploinkerstone>right now the gateway is hooked up to the WinXP machine of a fellow squatter, which is a bloody shame
06:33<Aleksej>Hi, I've updated my Debian Etch to Lenny recently, and updated the NVIDIA proprietary driver, too (had to patch it off of GPL filtering; the nv driver was slow). Today I have found that xine (but not mplayer or VLC, but that must be the settings) crashes X with "gdm[8135]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0." What should I try first?
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06:34<Aleksej>Search for the error didn't show anything useful; at least, the results are 2003-2005 or something.
06:35<ifvoid>Aleksej: mail nvidia
06:35<ifvoid>Aleksej: most likely is a bug in their driver
06:35<Aleksej>I'm thinking of rebuilding the driver again and letting it to edit xorg.conf -- that helped against slowness last time...
06:36<Aleksej>ifvoid: oh, did that happen to others, too?
06:36<ifvoid>no idea
06:36<ifvoid>but it sounds like a Gl or XV operation is crashing your X
06:36<ifvoid>which shouldn't happen
06:36<ifvoid>en is most likely the driver's fault
06:36<Aleksej>With other packages, mesa also was updated.
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06:37<Aleksej>I'll try changing the drivers...
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06:38<ifvoid>can't you just use the free driver?
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06:41<Eulex> was prolly the problem
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06:42<ploinkerstone>erm, did I miss anything?
06:43<Aleksej>heh, sorry for bothering, reinstalling the driver helped, as usual; probably because it (as I expected) deleted the "dri" module from xorg.conf...
06:43<Aleksej>It also said that libglx has been replaced since last installation, though.
06:43<ploinkerstone>Nvidia, is it?
06:44<ploinkerstone>I'll be doing it next
06:44<ploinkerstone>once I manage to boot with the new kernel
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06:45<ploinkerstone>might not be logical, but I want to try the Nvidia bundle this time, although installing the driver the Debian way worked marvellously the previous time
06:46<ifvoid>Aleksej: ah
06:46<ploinkerstone>but what could possibly be wrong with initrd.img?
06:46<ifvoid>Aleksej: you are installing the nvidia driver directly from nvidia?
06:46<Aleksej>ifvoid: yep
06:46<ifvoid>Aleksej: then of course, it will overwrite local files (F**CKNG crapware)
06:47<Aleksej>It was newer or something back then...
06:47<ifvoid>Aleksej: and when you upgrade, debian will overwite these files again
06:47<ifvoid>so either use a nice deb to install the nvidia driver
06:47<Kebianizao>anyone could drop a line about the maturity and convenience of each linux memory allocators (SALB,SLUB and SLOB)?
06:47<ifvoid>or coerce the nvidia thing to put its stufff in /usr/local/
06:47[~]ploinkerstone thinks he'll refrain with experimentation
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06:47<Aleksej>ifvoid: Does the new kernel support the nvidia .deb,though?
06:47<ifvoid>no idea
06:47<ploinkerstone>'s the other way round though innit?
06:48<Aleksej>The official driver doesn't install, because it's not GPL...
06:48<neo->hello?, i'm using debian and my mysql wont work
06:48<JasonS>neo-: more information would be helpful
06:48<neo->i created an database: denora
06:48<ploinkerstone>the unofficial is not quite GPL either
06:48<ifvoid>Aleksej: debian has version 100.14.11 of the driver
06:48<neo->but wont work :S
06:48<neo->its standart mysql in debian
06:48<Aleksej>ifvoid: is in non-free?
06:48<Aleksej>*it in
06:48<neo->and it wont work
06:49<ploinkerstone>you mean the binary install?
06:49<ifvoid>!doesn't work
06:49<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
06:49<Aleksej>hmm maybe I forgot to apt-get update then...
06:49<ploinkerstone>i got the source package deb
06:49<ploinkerstone>compiled it using the running kernel source directory for reference
06:49<Aleksej>ah, is it not in the binary distribution?
06:49<ploinkerstone>there are two options IIRC
06:50<ifvoid>Aleksej: no idea
06:50<Aleksej>Last time I used the debs was last year or before...
06:50<ploinkerstone>either finding a compiled module that will fit your kernel, or compiling it yourself
06:50<ploinkerstone>naw, I installed mine about two months ago
06:50<ploinkerstone>and they were pretty much up to date
06:51<Aleksej>More than a year ago, because a year ago I've bought this motherboard with a crappy Via IGP.
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06:51<Aleksej>And only near the New Year bought a GeForce for it... before then, I were using TNT2 Pro on the other motherboard, which now is using vesa or nv.
06:51<ploinkerstone>but, of course, you can run the official installer with the option of not installng anything, just unpacking, and then make deb packages out of their bric-a-brac
06:52[~]ploinkerstone relishes in the delights of the console presently
06:53<ploinkerstone>i thought of trying it . . . but I'll probably just do it the Debian way again to save time
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06:53<Aleksej>Any non-free packages I see in aptitude make me want to delete them.
06:54<ploinkerstone>well, they're technically free . . . "non-free" means a restrictive licence in this case
06:54<Aleksej>I know.
06:54<ploinkerstone>and the source contains a binary file
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06:55<fxiny>as a user i appreciate debian "controlling" non-free
06:55<ploinkerstone>at any rate, I won't be doing the Nvidia bit before I manage to boot with the new kernel
06:56<Aleksej>fxiny: good point
06:56<ploinkerstone>I've perused every man page I could find, and I can't see what I'm doing wrong
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06:57<Aleksej>"This method is easy, and should work for most people, with either a stock or custom kernel. Please note that it does not work with kernel 2.6.21. Please see [WWW] for solutions."
06:58<Aleksej>also valid for the package...
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06:58<ploinkerstone>when I do make-kpkg --append blah --verbose --initrd --make-image "update-initramfs -c -k [version]" kernel_image, it seems to work
06:59<ploinkerstone>the package builds alright
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07:05<deb_usr>hi all
07:05<deb_usr>i have a question
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07:05<deb_usr>how can i change the splash screen of debian gnome desktop ??
07:05<calestyo>hi... since yesterdays updates from sid my X segaults very strange when starting,.. any ideas? did the libc6 update change anything?
07:06<calestyo>deb_usr: use the package gnome-splasscreenmanager or something like this
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07:07<Kebianizao>deb_usr: it should be a configuration of gnome, right?
07:07<chealer>calestyo: it might help to provide the log
07:07<deb_usr><Kebianizao> : i think so
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07:08<deb_usr>calestyo : the packages doesn't exist !!!
07:08<calestyo>chealer: well,.. that's a little problem
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07:08<Aleksej>deb_usr: menu -> System -> Preferences -> Splash Screen, if you have a single menu on the panel.
07:08<calestyo>deb_usr: look in the gnome section i don't recall the exact name
07:08<Aleksej>the package is probably needed, though
07:08<calestyo>chealer: wait a second
07:08<Aleksej>deb_usr: gnome-splashscreen-manager here
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07:10<deb_usr> Aleksej : bash: gnome-splashscreen-manager: command not found
07:10<Aleksej>apt-get install gnome-splashscreen-manager
07:10<deb_usr>i'm not speaking about login screen
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07:10<Aleksej>It's a package, not a program.
07:10<deb_usr>but splash screen
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07:10<Aleksej>I think it's about the splashscreen you see after logging in through gdm
07:11<Aleksej>I don't have any, though.
07:11<calestyo>chealer: Everything seems ok,.. theres a warning about xkbdcomp but this doens't matter than after loading the input event drivers I receive the followoing:
07:11<calestyo>0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x6d) [some addr]
07:11<calestyo>1: /lib/ [some addr]
07:11<calestyo>2: /usr/lib/ [some addr]
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07:11<fxiny>deb_usr: just read this : apt-cache show gnome-splasscreenmanager
07:12<deb_usr>after installing the package
07:12<deb_usr>what command should i use ?
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07:12<Aleksej>deb_usr: gnome-splashscreen-manager
07:12<fxiny>why don't you read that ?
07:13<calestyo>chealer: did my error message appear or was it blocked?
07:13<chealer>calestyo: it appeared up to "2: /usr/lib/ [some addr]"
07:13<Kebianizao>calestyo: it's exactly the bug referenced before
07:13<chealer>calestyo: which packages are suspect?
07:13<deb_usr>thank you very much
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07:13<calestyo>Kebianizao: where was it referenced?
07:13<Aleksej>deb_usr: no problem
07:14<calestyo>chealer: that is the remainder:
07:14<calestyo>Fatal server error: and Caught signal 11. Server aborting
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07:15<Kebianizao> and there is the bug number:
07:16<calestyo>Kebianizao: wow this depends on udev? I've looked through all the reports of glibc and most important xserver packages but couldn't find any hint
07:17<calestyo>Kebianizao: thank you a lot :)
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07:18<Kebianizao>it was not me, someelse point that, but I followed the link ;)
07:18<calestyo>Kebianizao: anyway,.. you was the one that told ME,.. and a big thanks to the person that hinted you :)
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07:20<Kebianizao>it was Eulex to give deservations
07:20<calestyo>Eulex: Lots of thanks :-)
07:20<calestyo>Kebianizao: what did you to solve the issue? downgrade?
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07:27<mark>hello everyone, i have a problem with X (it does not start), may i ask here or i'd better wait for people in #help?
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07:27<mark>(they just say to ask here)
07:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:27<helpme>Well I got some pretty good help here, but it took me a while before they actually got around to answering :)
07:28<calestyo>Kebianizao: Oh I've just seen that the fix is already in the report ^^
07:28<Ganneff>mark: so just ask
07:30<mark>i am running sid, and since yesterday X does not start, both with nvidia and nv drivers. This is the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
07:30<mark>0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x6d) [0x48586d]
07:30<mark>1: /lib/ [0x2ab77072d680]
07:30<mark>2: /lib64/ [0x2ab76faddd30]
07:30<mark>3: /lib64/ [0x2ab76fae4dc8]
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07:32<mark>sorry for flood, how should I post the output? it is about 20 lines
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07:32<runix__>hey :) anyone knows where are newer svgalib packages for debian? or advancemame?
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07:33<ifvoid>mark: use
07:34<ifvoid>runix__: why do you need a newer svgalib?
07:34<ifvoid>the latest seems to be in debian
07:35<mark>here it is:
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07:38<ifvoid>mark: interesting
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07:39<ifvoid>mark: seems to be a font problem
07:40<ifvoid>which version of xserver-xorg-core do you have?
07:42<runix__>ifvoid: nope, curr version is 1.4.x and latest is 1.9.25. I need it for advancemame
07:42<ifvoid>runix__: I vaguely rememebr it being depricated
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07:43<mark>the last one, xserver-xorg-core_2:
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07:44<ifvoid>mark: and which packages were upgraded?
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07:48<runix__>ifvoid: weird. anyway, I'll use the fb
07:49<ifvoid>runix__: nah, the concept op svgalib is flawed, adn the drivers are vry old
07:49<mark>I would like to know that too: i thought it was an upgrade problem, so i looked the version of that package in another pc i have, but it is the same... so it seems not package-related (it seems... but it may be)
07:49<ifvoid>runix__: it's much easier to do stuff like this with sdl and X or so, nowadays
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07:49<ifvoid>mark: it might be anothr package that is the culprit
07:50<ifvoid>mark: could you put /var/log/dpkg.log on a pastebin?
07:50<Kebianizao>mark: could you paste the full X log?
07:50<mark>ok, i'll post both
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07:51<Golfgeo>Hi all
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07:53<Golfgeo>Got an sh question: I have this: tun="tun0 tun1 tun2" in a script and need to append the values in $lan $vhl to that list so I can use them in a script. How do I do this? (tun="$lan $vhl tun0 tun1 tun2" doesn't work)
07:53<ifvoid>Golfgeo: that should work
07:53<ifvoid>we're talking sh script, right?
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07:54<ifvoid>mark: and the crashes started after your upgrade of today?
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07:55<Golfgeo>Crap, I used lowercast when I needed Uppercast :-)
07:55[~]Kebianizao thinks it would be convenient to follow the discussion on #debian-x so they are also aware of this
07:55<Golfgeo>ifvoid, thanks mate /me is just stupid ;-)
07:55<ifvoid>Kebianizao: yeah, I'm first trying to find out what could be the problem
07:56<ifvoid>mark: hold on, are you using the nvidia driver?
07:56<Kebianizao>he does, but I'd like to know what free/privative?
07:57<ifvoid>mark: try mount -oremount,exec /dev/
07:57<mark>yes, and no. I tried with both. the crash was yesterday, not today. the last upgrades are not the cause
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07:58<ifvoid>I think that should fix it
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07:59<Kebianizao>are you thinking this is also the problem calesto experienced?
07:59<mark>I will give a try now
07:59<mark>i'll let you know ;)
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07:59<ifvoid>Kebianizao: not sure, but I wouln't be surprised
08:01<Kebianizao>it's what I thought in the beggining, but not sure
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08:02<ifvoid>now that I think about it, it could very well explian his problems
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08:04<mark>back again, but 'mount -oremount,exec /dev' did not help. tnx anyway
08:05<ifvoid>mark: could you please file a bug about this then?
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08:05<Kebianizao>I'm sorry but I think #debian.x people would like to be informed about that
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08:06<mark>looking at dpkg.log, there is not any xorg-related package
08:06<Kebianizao>it's always handy to have the person who's experiencing the problem at hand IMO
08:06<mark>i first ask at #debain.x
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08:08<mark>thank you very much, i really appreciate your help
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08:21<Kebianizao>3rd time today:
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08:22<Kebianizao>bah, forget about it...
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08:45<kurumin>como configuro meu IRC????
08:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:50<julioh>quien lo croma
08:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:51<dpkg>us is probably United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun
08:52<julioh>i dont have a problem to talk in english
08:52<julioh>Eulex, you have a problem
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08:54<fxiny>hhuhuhu : RIIA fought the Paternoster (=god) and lost on pr0n grounds heheheh
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08:55<themill>julioh: do you have a debian-related question that we can help you with?
08:57<julioh>themill, yes i have problem with my Network-manager, dont show in the desktop
08:58<julioh>i have a problem with de apple i used debian sid
08:58<julioh>themill, yo cant help me
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08:59<themill>julioh: do you have one of the desktop frontends to it installed? network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde?
09:00<julioh>only network-manager-gnome
09:01<themill>julioh: try running nm-applet from the terminal. That should bring up the applet controls on your desktop
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09:03<julioh>themill, i probe that, ion the terminal. and use alt+f2, in tried no open de applet, but nothing
09:03<Bunny>ðóññêèå åñòü? :)
09:04<themill>julioh: could you put the output of the command nm-tool into a pastebin for me?
09:04<julioh>ok themill
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09:06<ifvoid> Bunny could you please stop doing that?
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09:08<themill>julioh: please keep it in the channel. /msg bots not people
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09:09<MutilatedFla>So who wants to help me?
09:09<themill>julioh: it looks like you do not have permission to configure network devices. What's the output of groups
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09:09<julioh>themill, let me search in /etc/group
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09:09<MutilatedFla>I need to figure out the hotkey for force quit as well as get a wireless pcmcia and a usb card working.
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09:10<themill>julioh: it's easier to start a terminal and just type groups :)
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09:10<julioh>themill, i know
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09:12<fliguy>hope someone can help me. I'm trying to backup some files to DVD using Gnomebaker. When ever I try to burn I get an error saying that some directories are too deep and the max is 6. I've read that I can disable Joilet and Rock Ridge will allow you to go to 8 but it doesn't work. Can't find any bugs regarding this. Any help?
09:13<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: We can point you in the right direction regarding wireless drivers, but we need to know what chipsets are in your PCMCIA and USB wireless devices (or at the very least, the manufacturer and model of each).
09:14<MutilatedFla>ok the pcmcia is a very little known card:Parkervision wlan1500
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09:14<MutilatedFla>the usb card is: Netgear WG11v2
09:15<MutilatedFla>when I probe the pcmcia it returns with no drivers
09:15<MutilatedFla>when I probe the usb it returns with correct make/model but I've been told my distro doesnt support usb wireless and that I need to use rtl8187
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09:16<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Just to confirm, which distribution are you currently using?
09:17<MutilatedFla>Debian 40r0
09:17<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Please install 'pcmciautils' package and provide the output of '/sbin/lspcmcia -v' via a pastebin.
09:17<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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09:19<fliguy>hope someone can help me. I'm trying to backup some files to DVD using Gnomebaker. When ever I try to burn I get an error saying that some directories are too deep and the max is 6. I've read that I can disable Joilet and Rock Ridge will allow you to go to 8 but it doesn't work. Can't find any bugs regarding this. Any help?
09:19<MutilatedFla>You might as well be speaking chinese :P I should probably clarify that I'm semi mentally handicapped when it comes to *nix. This is my first venture into the world
09:20<gsimmons>!tell MutilatedFla -about grounding
09:20<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: You can install the pcmciautils package by entering "aptitude install pcmciautils" as the root user.
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09:21<MutilatedFla>ah it can be installed via aptitude, that I know how to use
09:21<MutilatedFla>I jsut didnt understand the "provide output ... via pastebin" bit
09:22<gsimmons>!tell MutilatedFla -about pastebin howto
09:22<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: I'll assume you meant to say 'WG111v2' earlier, I've never seen Netgear use double digits in their product models. :)
09:23<MutilatedFla>Sorry, you are correct, that was in fact a typo
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09:26<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: It seems like your WG111v2 uses a Ralink chipset. You might want to examine (and optionally, pastebin) the output of 'lsusb' to confirm.
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09:29<MutilatedFla>It doesnt say, it only says my card name
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09:30<piju>how can i install java plugins for iceweasel on debian amd64 ?
09:32<MutilatedFla>and it would seem I have already installed pcmciautils
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09:35<witte>piju: iirc, sun did not make a java plugin for amd64
09:35<witte>piju: you should complain with sun...
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09:36<stew>piju: there is java-gcj-compat-plugin ; no idea how well it works
09:36<piju>witte; maybe it can be use with nswrapper
09:36<piju>same like flash plugins
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09:37<witte>piju: could be, never tried to do it
09:38<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: Im working on two PCs right now, so pastebin isnt possible but the pcmcia query returns with ZyDAS ZD1201 802.11b Wireless LAN Version 1.00
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09:38<piju>i installed my flash plugins with nswrapper
09:38<fliguy>Trying to use gnomebaker to backup files. keep getting error say some directories are too deep and the max depth is 6. any help?
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09:41<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: You received that from a _lspcmcia_ query? AFAIK, the ZD1201 is only used in USB network adapters.
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09:42<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: then it would seem we have a problem, or rather I do. Yes that was returned from the lspcmcia query
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09:44<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Eject your WLAN1500 and try the command again.
09:44<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: just empty sockets now
09:45<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: I dont need both working, just one or the other would be excellent. So whatever would be less stress
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09:45<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Does `lsusb' list a ZD1201 device?
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09:46<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: nay it correctlyt identifies the netgear card
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09:48<casp>hola boris_
09:49<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Okay. Without the pastebin output to confirm, your WG111v2 uses a RTL8187 (Realtek) chipset, with your WLAN1500 PCMCIA card apparently using a ZD1201 chipset.
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09:50<casp>alguno de ustedes programan en ruby on rails, symfony
09:51<dpkg>esp is, like, I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
09:51<dpkg>sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp!
09:51<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: I can confirm the pcmcia chipset, unsure of the usb chipset
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09:52<fliguy>Trying to use gnomebaker to backup files. keep getting error say some directories are too deep and the max depth is 6. any help?
09:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:54<boris_>I've got a question about Iceweasel. How could i change the write correction in german?
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10:02<boris_>thx suiside!
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10:04<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: You'll need to obtain, compile and install the rtl8187 module, in order to use your USB WLAN. You'd want to follow the Debian-specific instructions at <>.
10:05<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: I have gotten a bit into it, but get hung up on the make and make install commands
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10:09<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: You need to supply more information, "hung up" doesn't describe anything. Use the pastebin if you have to.
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10:10<aitiba>someone here has ever use cedega?
10:11<suiside>ask for information, not people
10:12<MutilatedFla>gsimmons: it tells me no such file or directory and then returns with error 2. Although I was using a friends directions, Ill try this method first
10:12<aitiba>how can I install game that is on ISO fomat with cedega?
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10:13<gsimmons>MutilatedFla: Better to use the directions at the previously-supplied wiki page instead.
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10:22<inonooby>hey all
10:22<inonooby>can some one help me
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10:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:24<alex_>opps, sorry lagged :)
10:24<JasonS>i was going to say :)
10:24<inonooby>i have made a nmap port scan on my server, i would like to know what services i have to shutdown and what each server is for??
10:24<inonooby>here is the out put:
10:25<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
10:25<JasonS>inonooby: dont paste it here
10:25[~]JasonS holds on
10:25[~]alex_ holds JasonS
10:25<JasonS>please, im not that kind of guy :)
10:25[~]fxiny moves over
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10:27<inonooby>i upload it
10:28<JasonS>inonooby: we need the address
10:28<inonooby>oki whar
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10:28<alex_>.... we need the link
10:28<alex_>the url
10:28<alex_>the www address
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10:29<alex_>ssh is ssh
10:29<alex_>http is http
10:29<alex_>thats all rather straight foward
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10:29<inonooby>i run a printer on the server too
10:30<inonooby>is that IPP
10:30<inonooby>that oki too
10:30<avu>inonooby: you can run nmap with -sV to get more information about what software is providing the services in question
10:30<inonooby>ohh oki thx
10:30<inonooby>i will try
10:30<avu>inonooby: and/or netstat -tulpen on the server itself
10:30<fxiny>inonooby: grep 631 /etc/services
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10:31<inonooby>do i need this 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd
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10:32<avu>inonooby: today, you only "need" this when using IRC I think. And even there, the quotation marks are important.
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10:32<avu>inonooby: (meaning you can use IRC without running auth, in most cases that just means that connecting to the server might take a littke longer and that there will be a tilde in front of our username)
10:33<inonooby>olhh oki also is auth for irc thx
10:33<inonooby>and the last one is 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000)
10:33<inonooby>why do i need this
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10:34<inonooby>it had to do with some thing like pcm
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10:34<avu>it's portmap
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10:34<avu>used by all sun-rpc services
10:34<avu>inonooby: you almost never want to expose that to the internet
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10:34<fxiny>portmap ?
10:34<shawn_work>something broke with 'kde' ?
10:34<avu>maybe even s/almost //
10:34<inonooby>ohh i use kde
10:35<shawn_work>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:35<shawn_work> libopenexr2ldbl: Conflicts: libopenexr2c2a but 1.2.2-4.3 is to be installed.
10:35<shawn_work>i removed 'kde' and it wont let me put it back
10:35<shawn_work>the metapackage
10:35<shawn_work>but there's a conflict in sid
10:35<eliteforce>hey, i wonder why icedove 2.0.0.x still isn't in testing?!
10:35<inonooby>does i need rpcbind ????
10:36<shawn_work>now i can install KDE manually w/o the metapackage
10:36<shawn_work>perhaps I should
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10:37<eliteforce>avu: i know that page and it doesn't say anything useful for me
10:37<ciphergoth>I've got myself into a spot of bother: just upgraded main company server from sarge to etch, and now no-one can log in because it can't seem to talk to the LDAP server any more
10:37<avu>eliteforce: read the dependency analysis again
10:38<ciphergoth>I keep seeing errors in the logs like "Connection to LDAP server failed for the 5 try!!
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10:38<boris_>i want to load a modle every start, in which file could i paste the module name?
10:38<ciphergoth>and "failed to bind to LDAP server [...]: Invalid credentials
10:38<_cj>hey folks
10:39<themill>avu: looks circular to me...
10:39<_cj>if I wanted to become familiar with the format of .deb files and the process of creating them, what docs should I read?
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10:39<eliteforce>avu: why does it take months for the devs to solve a little dependency problem?
10:39<alex_>ciphergoth, whats the box doing?
10:39<avu>themill: hu? libxul-dev comes from xulrunner, not icedove?
10:40<alex_>ciphergoth, as in, whats the boxs' role?
10:40<ciphergoth>alex_: all sorts of things, but including LDAP server and CVS host
10:40<alex_>so the server does the LDAP for the office?
10:40<avu>themill: ah, now I see what you mean
10:40<ciphergoth>and it's also an LDAP client to itself
10:40<avu>themill: nss<->libxul-dev
10:40<ciphergoth>so no-one can SSH into it, and I can't even log in with my normal login at the console
10:41<alex_>what are you using for the LDAP serivce?
10:41<alex_>how did you perform the upgrade?
10:41<ciphergoth>following the release notes
10:41<alex_>are you a silly boy for not testing it first on a dev box?
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10:41<avu>eliteforce: that is a void question. If you want it done quicker, do it yourself.
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10:41<ciphergoth>alex_: heh
10:42<eliteforce>avu: and thats riddiculous :)
10:42<avu>eliteforce: no, that's how it works.
10:42<ciphergoth> slapcat -n 1 produces plausible looking output
10:42<alex_>ciphergoth, did slapd upgrade aswell?
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10:42<ciphergoth>yes, everything did except postgres and msttcorefonts
10:43<alex_>slapd ties into mysql/postgres?
10:43<alex_>remind me
10:43<ciphergoth>oh, good question
10:43<ciphergoth>I didn't think so but maybe it does
10:43<alex_>where the cfg's set?
10:44<alex_>and "failed to bind to LDAP server [...]: Invalid credentials
10:44<alex_>this error comes from slapd?
10:44<alex_>or slapclient?
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10:44<ciphergoth>that's in the logs, but I think it must be a client trying to talk to it and failing
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10:44<alex_>logs for?
10:45<ciphergoth>it's from libnss_pam_ldap or suchlike, hang on
10:45<eliteforce>avu: i guess it would take another couple of weeks..
10:45<alex_>isnt there like a handle, that then passes the auth to slapd?
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10:47<ciphergoth>other machines are using the new ldap server just fine
10:47<ciphergoth>so it's not related to postgres
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10:48<alex_>so people can auth to the slpad?
10:48<alex_>whats the problem agian?
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10:49<alex_>random errors in logs?
10:49<ciphergoth>there are two machines: nodachi and tanto. Nodachi is LDAP server and CVS machine; Tanto is other. Tanto uses Nodachi's LDAP server.
10:49<ciphergoth>I can log into Tanto but not Nodachi
10:49<ciphergoth>having just upgraded Nodachi from Sarge to ETch
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10:50<alex_>no even through console.
10:50<ciphergoth>not even through console
10:50<boris_>Question: i want to load a module every startup, in which file could i paste the module name? Ime Using etche stable...
10:50<ciphergoth>fortunately I have another incarnation on that machine as "paullocal" in /etc/passwd
10:50<_cj>ciphergoth: you might consider restoring from backup on your production machine until your testing machine is working well on etch
10:50<ciphergoth>and I can log in with that
10:50<_cj>ciphergoth: and then swap 'em
10:50<alex_>ciphergoth, just with ssh?
10:51<ciphergoth>ssh and console are the same for both paul (fails) and paullocal (works()
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10:52<alex_>sounds like the ldap client/handle on the nodachi box isnt talking to itself properly
10:52<ciphergoth>no indeed
10:52<alex_>next step
10:52<ciphergoth>slapd is fine, but the pam and ssh stuff that talks to it isn't
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10:52<ciphergoth>pam_ldap.conf looks OK
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10:52<Inty>Question: i want to load a module every startup, in which file could i paste the module name? Ime Using etche stable...
10:52<Inty>in /etc/modules
10:53<Inty>boris_, in /etc/modules
10:53<alex_>ciphergoth, hmm
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10:54<ciphergoth>I'm currently looking at /etc/**dpkg** to see if there's a dpkg-dist file with a change I need
10:54<alex_>ciphergoth, isnt there a client type of program, similar to smbclient that can send test auth's to ldap servers?
10:55<ciphergoth>alex_: slapauth looks like it
10:55<ciphergoth>ah, no
10:55<ciphergoth>No, then, not that comes with slapd anyway
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10:56<boris_>Inty: that was easy, thx ;)
10:56<Inty>np :)
10:56<alex__>ciphergoth, slapauth?
10:57<zarchne>Why is it, when I kill X, gdm restarts it on a different vt?
10:57<ciphergoth>nope - see the manpage
10:57<alex__>-> failed to bind to LDAP server [...]: Invalid credentials
10:57<ciphergoth>it doesn't actually make a connection
10:57<alex__>try, as ip
10:57<ciphergoth>no, I can telnet to the port it's trying to connect to
10:58<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
10:58<alex__>pam_ldap.conf -> paste that in !paste
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11:03<boris_>Q: How could i mount an RAID1? fdisk -l shows me two seperate partitions (example: /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2) it is possible to mount them seperate. But i think it would be fatal if i write in only one disk...
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11:06<alex__>ciphergoth, hmm ell
11:06<alex__>that looks all normal to me
11:06<alex__>nothing special
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11:06<ciphergoth>and of course it used to work
11:08<ciphergoth>whose credentials are invalid - the clients or the servers?
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11:10<ciphergoth>nsswich.conf says "files ldap" for passwd, group, and shadow
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11:11<ciphergoth>again as it should be I think
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11:13<ciphergoth>interestingly it takes a long time whenever it tries to make an authentication decision eg whenever I run sudop
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11:18<vreten>how do i apt-get install a new kernel in a proper way?
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11:22<fxiny>vreten: like any other packages : aptitude install linux-image-2.6.xxxxxx
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11:23<patrushka>hello i got a question about LInux kernel ... On my laptop i m using the low latency kernel wich is more adapted for laptops .... i don t know if i should install this kernel also on my tower ..? thanks for helpp
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11:25<ciphergoth>is it possible that it's somehow related to TLS?
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11:27<patrushka> hello i got a question about LInux kernel ... On my laptop i m using the low latency kernel wich is more adapted for laptops .... i don t know if i should install this kernel also on my tower ..? thanks for helpp
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11:29<cahoot>patrushka, isn't that more dependent on the use than the model?
11:29<patrushka>yup .. i use it as desktop ... so maybe i should use low latency ?
11:29<patrushka>what you think ?
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11:31<cahoot>patrushka, as I understand it low latency is supposed to better the 'feel' of interactivity - might be wrong
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11:31<chrisben>anyone have any idea wheree kdm stores a user's default session type?
11:31<ciphergoth>alex__: there's nothing that needs to be restarted when you change pam_ldap.conf is there?
11:32<patrushka>ok .. thanks cahoot .. :)
11:32<patrushka>i will google a little bit to learn more about it
11:32<stew>low latency is for realtime applications, don't know why it would be useful for a laptop
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11:33<deb_usr>can you view this page : ??
11:33<deb_usr>or ?
11:34<deb_usr>ican't view them !!
11:34<fxiny>oui oui
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11:34<ciphergoth>it's libnss-ldap.conf now it seems
11:35<deb_usr>fxiny : je peut pas les afficher !!
11:35<vreten>ive got a problem when running apt-get dist-upgrade. dpgk cant install debianutils becouse it trys to overwrite /usr/sbin/add-shell wich is also in package passwd?
11:35<deb_usr>fxiny : ;-)
11:35<fxiny>deb_usr: moi je ne parle pas francais : i can't speak french mate :)
11:35<deb_usr>fxiny : oh ! sorry ! ;-)
11:36<vreten>then apt-get upgrade exits :(
11:36<fxiny>deb_usr: :)
11:36<deb_usr>who has already used Doom3 in debian ?
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11:37<patrushka>i didn t but use open arena
11:37<patrushka>this is a nice game
11:37<deb_usr>is it a first person choot ?
11:37<deb_usr>is it a debian package ?
11:37<patrushka>it s like quake
11:37<patrushka>it s in the repo
11:37<patrushka>installation is easy
11:38<patrushka>and garfics are nice
11:38<deb_usr>apt-get install arena ???
11:38<patrushka>i think it s smth like open-arena
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11:38<patrushka>you can play it online .. chaotic but funny
11:39<deb_usr>i can't find the package name ;(
11:39<patrushka>ahh it s openarena
11:39<xerophyte>Err woody/main Sources 404 Not Found does anybody know why do i get error ?
11:40<xerophyte>how can i fix it that
11:40<fxiny>woody ?
11:40<fxiny>xerophyte: ^^^
11:40<xerophyte>yes i have old production box where i need to install package
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11:40<xerophyte>can not upgrade :) with too much trouble so
11:40<xerophyte>just wanna fix the apt-get :)
11:40<deb_usr>no it doesn't exist in my packages
11:41<patrushka>somone knows a debian package for vidalia ?
11:41<deb_usr>what is the source adress should i add in my sources.list file ??
11:41<fxiny>xerophyte: old ? this box is a '98 box . loved woody sarge and now enjoy etch : are you 100% syure you cannot install etch on it ?
11:42<fxiny>anyway woody/main Sources looks wrong
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11:44<xerophyte>fxiny, how can i fix that
11:45<fxiny>deb_usr: something like : deb-src etch main contrib non-free
11:45<deb_usr>i'll test it just one sec
11:45<fxiny>xerophyte: fix ? you said a production box ! you wanna fix sources line or what ?
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11:46<xerophyte>fxiny, yes i am tring to install nfs-common package the old source.lst gives me errors
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11:47<deb_usr>no it doesn't work
11:47<deb_usr>"apt-cache search openarena " returns nothing !!!
11:49<fxiny>xerophyte: all i know is about stable and old-stable which is sarge . no idea about woody
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11:51<fxiny>xerophyte: how much ram do you have ?
11:51<patrushka>you can find openarena there also :
11:51<fxiny>also ?
11:51<stew>xerophyte: show us the output of " cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-cache policy libc6 " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:51<stew>deb_usr: show us your sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:52<fxiny>patrushka: what debian flavour are you running ?
11:52<patrushka>yes also :)
11:52<patrushka>i m running ubuntu but its deb based so it shouldn t be a problem
11:52<fxiny>i can't see any arena on etch
11:52<fxiny>ubu ?
11:53<deb_usr>i'm sownloading the file
11:54<deb_usr>but should i install it ?
11:54<stew>deb_usr: why would you do that instead of using the debian packages?
11:54<deb_usr>stew : i can't use the debian package cause i don't khow wch one
11:54<deb_usr>wich one
11:55<stew>deb_usr: the one called "openarena" its in testing/unstable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
11:55<patrushka>deb_usr : what linux do you use ?
11:55<deb_usr>debian etch 4
11:56<lontra>!info openarena
11:56<vreten>do i have to recompile my kernel to get framebuffer working?`
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11:56<stew>vreten: what does "uname -r" say?
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11:57<dpkg>openarena: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 743 kB, Installed size: 1580 kB
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11:57<stew>vreten: then no, you just have to tell your bootloader to pass an argument to your kernel to have it use a framebuffer mode. do you use grub? lilo?
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11:58<fxiny>vreten: what debian flavour are you running ?
11:58<fxiny>nice !
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11:58<fxiny>at least is not a ubu !
11:58<fxiny>vreten: :))
11:59<lontra>fxiny: flavour ... are you british or canadian or something ;)
11:59<stew>vreten: you need to append vga=0x123 but replace the 0x123 with one of the valid modes listed by 'hwinfo --framebuffer'
12:00<lontra>anyone know if mplayer plugin works in konqueror?
12:00<vreten>stew: hwinfo? :/
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12:00<stew>vreten: you should consider upgrading to a newer kernel, your kernel is from oldstable, you should consider upgrading at least to the stable kernel
12:00<fxiny>lontra: nahhh :)
12:00<stew>vreten: yes, hwinfo
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12:01<vreten>stew: doesnt have it
12:02<stew>vreten: what doesn't have what?
12:02<fxiny>lontra: something ! yeahhhh i am something :)
12:02<vreten>stew: nwm..
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12:02<lontra>fxiny: good to hear ... better to be something than nothing
12:03<stew>vreten: huh?
12:03<xerophyte>fxiny, do you have source.lst for the woody .. the new one .. because the stable one changed ?
12:03<fxiny>xerophyte: i don't . i have all woody cds
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12:04<vreten>stew: so i just replace 'vga=normal' with for example 'vga=0x0315' (to get 800x600)?
12:05<lontra>woody is the old old stable
12:05<xerophyte>does anybody know what will be the source.lst file if want to update the old woody software .. the old source.lst does not work because the stable change to the etch so just wondering if anybody know how can i modify the source.lst
12:05<xerophyte>lontra, how can i specify on the source.lst
12:05<stew>vreten: yes
12:05<lontra>xerophyte: can't you just change the word from woody to sarge?
12:05<vreten>cool, gotta test
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12:05<lontra>xerophyte: pastebin your sources.lst
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12:06<fxiny>lontra: to be honest if i have to choose i go for nothing ! i don't have colour nor color on my horizon
12:06<xerophyte>lontra, i tried that its not working
12:07<lontra>xerophyte: paste your sources.lst
12:07<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
12:07<patrushka>some one knows smth about vidalia in this chat ?
12:07<patrushka>i m looking for a deb package
12:07<fxiny>lontra: i met beautifull USA people and UK people on my life , makes no difference to me colour or color
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12:08<vreten>thanks stew
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12:10<xerophyte>lontra, thats what i have corrently
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12:10<undercode>hello all, how i clone my system hd from a hd usb? i can make this on system executing??
12:12<lontra>xerophyte: use this ...
12:12<lontra>xerophyte: that'll get you up to old stable ... then you can just change the word 'sarge' to 'etch' and don't forget to add a security update
12:12<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". , or ask me about testing security or unstable security
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12:14<fxiny>ahhh you are from ca
12:14<fxiny>i don't think you can get woody
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12:15<xerophyte>lontra, i don't want to upgrade it ..
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12:16<xerophyte>lontra, i need package from woody
12:16<xerophyte>lontra, so need a working woody source list
12:16<lontra>xerophyte: oh ... i can't help you then ... sorry
12:16<lontra>other then ... go here
12:16<fxiny>xerophyte: you can check for old packages >> 2005/06/19: may lost 2004/02/27 - 2005/03/12
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12:19<xerophyte>never thought it will this hard :)
12:20<fxiny>xerophyte: best thing is going to a lug asking for woody cd collection
12:20<fxiny>but no security fix !
12:20<fxiny>and woody had so many ...
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12:27<kop>Anyone have experience working with a serial console & BIOS? Linux and grub work fine, but the bios is printing odd (no doubt MS extendend ascii graphics) characters, and worse, is putting them in odd places on the screen. I'm using minicom in vt220 mode (IIRC.) Anybody have any hints?
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12:29<dondelelcaro>kop: is there a different mode for the serial bios? sometimes that clears it up. [I've been using tyan boards with it, which really don't have that problem.]
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12:29<kop>(Ah, sorry, it's in vt102 mode.)
12:30<kop>dondelelcaro : Not that I can figure out. There seems to be one bios setting. Something like "Remote always on". (It's also annoying that when that's chosen you can't get into the bios _except_ through the serial port.)
12:31<kop>dondelelcaro : I can't recall the board. I don't suppose there's a way to tell via software, instead of opening up the box?
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12:32<dondelelcaro>lspci and/or the nvram will sometimes tell you
12:32<dondelelcaro>but there's no sure fire way
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12:33<kop>(It sure feels odd to go back to 9600 baud.)
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12:34<kop>dondelelcaro : I'm not super-concerned, so if you want to stop that's ok. How do I poke at nvram from Linux?
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12:35<kop>dondelelcaro : (lspci does not seem to reveal any secrets.)
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12:37<geitje>any debian-pro here that would like to help me( debian-newbie) out with some issues?
12:37<kop>While we're on the subject, is there some handy console logging program for when you've mutiple boxes with serial consoles connected to some master monitoring box? Something that will log all the serial console output?
12:37<azeem>geitje: just ask your question
12:37<azeem>geitje: if people know the answer, they will tell you
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12:37<geitje>well when i try to startx
12:37<geitje>i get this
12:37<geitje>Fatal server error:
12:37<geitje>failed to initialize core devices
12:39<kop>geitje : You need to look at the X logs in /var/log/. There you will find more detail. (I don't have a box handy to tell you the exact file name.)
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12:39<geitje>gimme a sec
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12:41<casp>I l
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12:50<geitje>how do i find this log?
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12:52<kop>geitje : Do you know how to use the command line?
12:52<Cyorxamp>What file do I alter to permanently change the $PATH ?
12:52<xerophyte>if i have the ftp url like this how would the source.list entry will look
12:52<stew>Cyorxamp: systemwide or for one user?
12:53<stew>geitje: what does "uname -r" say? how is your mouse connected? ps2? usb?
12:53<Cyorxamp>hmmm, just for root will do for now, but tell me both
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12:53<kop>Cyorxamp : .bash_profile
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12:53<kop>Cyorxamp : In your home directory.
12:53<Cyorxamp>ah! I was looking at .profile and .bashrc - wild goose chace
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12:54<fxiny>even potato , nice !
12:54<Cyorxamp>kop - that doesn't exist
12:54<fxiny>archeo debian ...
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12:54<kop>Cyorxamp : You weren't exactly off-base with .profile . See: man bash
12:54<Cyorxamp>stew, you knew :P whats the secret
12:55<geitje>i do know to use the command line a lil bit
12:55<kop>Cyorxamp : It won't show up with ls unless you do ls -a.
12:55<Cyorxamp>I know, its not there
12:55<Cyorxamp>theres only .bash_history and .bashrc in /root/
12:55<kop>Cyorxamp : You can always make one. Your regular home directory has one. Take a look at that.
12:55<stew>Cyorxamp: .bash_profile for a user, /etc/profile for all users
12:56<geitje>how do i get to the directory /x/var/log?
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12:56<fxiny>xerophyte: it works !
12:56<j0ned>Any have any ideas why php in a chrooted environment would have problems resolving domain names? Using djbdns to run my own nameserver.. Specific example, wordpress 2.2 will connect to a sql DB if the host is, but not "localhost"
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12:57<fxiny>xerophyte: not really . gimme a sec
12:57<kop>geitje : I don't think /x/var/log/ exists. Look in the /var/log/ directory.
12:57<Jaana>j0ned: copied the /etc/hosts file as well?
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12:58<j0ned>Janna: yes, the chrooted directory (/webroot/) contains /etc/hosts, and /etc/resolv.conf
12:58<geitje>and how do i get there xD
12:58<Jaana>then i'm out of ideas
12:58<stew>j0ned: you'd probably also need nsswitch.conf
12:58<j0ned>would I need to copy anything from djbdns into the chrooted environment?
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12:59<j0ned>stew: it's there, too
12:59<stew>geitje: with the 'cd' shell builtin
12:59<stew>j0ned: does "getent hosts" work from inside the chroot?
12:59<kop>geitje : You need to read:
12:59<fxiny>xerophyte: yes !
13:00<geitje>k thnx kop
13:00<j0ned>stew: Please excuse the noob question, but how exactly would I execute it within the chroot environment? just su as the user with permissions?
13:00<stew>j0ned: 'chroot /path/to/chroot' will give you a shell in the chroot environment
13:01<j0ned>excellent, just a second
13:01<stew>j0ned: or "chroot /path/to/chroot command" will execute 'command' in the chroot
13:01<fxiny>xerophyte: add : deb woody main contrib non-free to your sources list
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13:02<geitje>uhm ow do open the log now i found it?
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13:02<danieldoran>hi all
13:03<danieldoran>I am looking for some noob support
13:03<j0ned>stew: when I execute the command from within the chroot, I'm immediatly taken back to the command prompt
13:03<kop>geitje : The best way is with the "less" command. You might want to "man less" at some point to learn how to search. It will make your reading of man pages in the future _much_ easier.
13:03<j0ned>stew: outside the chroot, three IP's are displayed
13:04<kop>geitje : (search the document you're looking at with "less" that is.)
13:04<danieldoran>I used synaptic to install firefox however it does not appear in the menu
13:05<danieldoran>I run it at command promt and iceweasle runs instead :(
13:05<grml>hello everyone, I have a question: is it possible to write up a list of packages, and then have apt install or uninstall packages as neccessary to reflect that list?
13:05<geitje>yea now i have a large file
13:05<kop>danieldoran : iceweasel is firefox.
13:05<geitje>no idea what to do with it :P
13:05<stew>j0ned: strace it from inside the chroot
13:05<danieldoran>kop I know but I want firefox proper not ice wesle
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13:06<danieldoran>I used synaptic to download firefox and it's not in the menu
13:06<kop>grml : That's pretty much what the apt system does. You might want to look at the debian reference manual at for various ways to do what you want.
13:06<sheldonh>how do you get iceweasel to lie and say it's firefox in its browser identification string?
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13:07<kop>danieldoran : Sadly, debian does not have permission to put security fixes into firefox. Hence iceweasel. I'm not clear on how to get plain-vanilla firefox.
13:07<j0ned>stew: thanks, (man strace) - never knew about this :)
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13:08<geitje>kop: i found some warnings in the log (Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
13:08<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm not following : is it a "real" question ?
13:08<geitje>is that any strange?
13:08<kop>sheldonh : I bet it's somewhere in the "about:config" url. It's exactly how you get firefox to lie about what it is, so there should be plenty of info on the web.
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13:08<kop>geitje : That's probably not it.
13:08<stew>j0ned: between strace and ltrace and comparing inside and out, you should be able to figure out what is missing
13:08<fxiny>i see , is real : get the user-agent extension
13:08<sheldonh>kop: i found references to Tools -> Change browser identification, but perhaps that was an older version
13:08<geitje>kop: what should i look for in the log then?
13:09<kop>geitje : At this point you should probably have somewhere here look at the log.
13:09<kop>!tell geitje -about paste
13:09<stew>geitje: the problem is that X doesn't see your mouse.
13:09<geitje>i know that
13:09<stew>geitje: what does "uname -r" say? how is your mouse connected? usb? ps2?
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13:09<geitje>but the thing is i have the pc just plane without anything on it
13:10<sheldonh>kop: about:config is it, thanks
13:10<geitje>just a powerplug and utp-cable in it
13:10<geitje>and i want to install x
13:10<danieldoran>so if anyone can help I would apriciate it
13:10<stew>geitje: x is installed already, you just have to load driver(s) for your mouse
13:11<stew>geitje: please don't msg me, keep the conversation here
13:11<danieldoran>kop, how do I get say apps to show up in the menu?
13:11<geitje>stew: i dont have a mouse connected
13:11<stew>geitje: you plan to use x without a mouse or use a built-in mouse?
13:11<deb_usr>lol .... i have problem playing flash videos !!
13:11<geitje>stew: i want to use the pc only by remote
13:12<deb_usr>where can i find the flash player ??
13:12<geitje>stew: there i need vnc for right?
13:12<stew>geitje: yes, and you don't need x, just vnc
13:12<kop>danieldoran : I'd expect them to just show up. But it might be that, depending on whether you're using gnome or kde or something else, you might need to logout and log back in. Let me think....
13:12<geitje>stew: and i thought i need x for that?
13:12<geitje>stew: i have vnc installed
13:12<deb_usr>uname -a = Linux 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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13:12<stew>geitje: vnc is its own x server
13:12<geitje>stew: ow ok thnx
13:12<geitje>stew: but that one gives an error asswel gimme a sec
13:12<stew>geitje: (well depending on which vnc server you are using)
13:12<danieldoran>Hi kop I am using gnome
13:13<geitje>stew: where should i paste the error?
13:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
13:13<geitje>its 2 lines
13:13<kop>danieldoran : You might try holding down, control-alt-backspace. That might log you out of X though. (By default it restarts X.)
13:13<danieldoran>hi kop will do brb
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13:14<deb_usr>where can i find the flash player ??
13:14<deb_usr>for debian
13:15<kop>deb_usr : Probably in one of the non-free repositories. See for how to setup apt to install stuff from there. (I forget the exact details.)
13:15<stew>geitje: install xfonts-base
13:15<geitje>stew: apt-get?
13:15<witte>!tell deb_usr about debian-multimedia
13:15<deb_usr>kop : thanks i'll look
13:15<stew>geitje: aptitude or apt-get
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13:15<kop>witte : Ah, that makes sense.
13:15<geitje>such an easy answer
13:16<geitje>took me all afternoon ^^
13:16<BoBo_BoSs>how update my debian
13:16<geitje>stew: u use a thing for typing geitje: or u do it urself?
13:16<stew>BoBo_BoSs: what version of debian are you using?
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13:16<grml>kop: specifically, if i have heaps of programs installed (as the result of a livecd to hd installation), rather than going through aptitude or dpkg -l and uninstalling the ones i don't want, how would I uninstall everything except some specified packagse I do want?
13:16<stew>geitje: g<tab> (/msg dpkg nicktab)
13:16<kop>geitje : That's how it always is at first. Unix makes the easy things difficult and the hard things possible. (At least that's the way it used to be. These days life is better.)
13:16<StucKman_>hi all. a question about debian and xen: which kernel should I install under sid? under etch it's linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686
13:17<BoBo_BoSs>what is command for version :))
13:17<stew>BoBo_BoSs: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ?
13:17<witte>kop, i am doubting, could be in non-free after all
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13:17<BoBo_BoSs>-bash: /usr/bin/apt-cache: Input/output error
13:17<geitje>stew: i now got it started: New 'X' desktop is debian:1
13:17<BoBo_BoSs>what is this error :-??
13:17<geitje>stew: how can i login?
13:18<StucKman_>BoBo_BoSs: it says it can't read the executable
13:18<kop>grml: There info on that at, either in the reference manual or the faq. I'd do: aptitude search ~i | cut -d ' ' -f 1 > installed_list Then edit the installed_list file. Then: aptitude remove $(cat installled_list)
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13:18<j0ned>stew: I have no idea what all that menas ( any recommendations?
13:18<StucKman_>BoBo_BoSs: somethingś wrong with your machine
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13:19<BoBo_BoSs>but what :(
13:19<kop>grml : You probably want to omit automatically installed packages, they will get automatically un-installed.
13:19<StucKman_>BoBo_BoSs: ram, disk, the usual suspects
13:19<kop>grml : Of course. I've not tried that out. It could do terrible things.
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13:19<BoBo_BoSs>StucKman_ component is ok :(
13:19<stew>j0ned: is libc6 installed in the chroot?
13:20<ranix>hey guys, I just did a dist-upgrade from Woody to Etch on a system and I'm having a problem with my locale. LC_ALL seems to be unset. I tried doing LC_ALL="en_US" in bash but apparently I'm confused and it's not really an environment variable. How do I set my locale to en_US?
13:20<ranix>the command setlocale that man suggests is nonexistant, and apt-cache search setlocale is empty
13:21<j0ned>stew: probably not.. can I copy the files over? or would I have to compile from source? apt-get?
13:21<kop>ranix : You may need to "export" the variable.
13:21<grml>kop: thanks heaps anyway :) when looking initially for documentation on apt on i ignored "debian reference manual"
13:21<deb_usr>!tell deb_usr about test
13:21<stew>j0ned: how did you setup the chroot? you didn't use debootrap?
13:21<stew>ranix: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:21<grml>kop: i filtered it out :\
13:21<deb_usr>!tell deb_usr about beryl
13:21<kop>geitje : You get a login screen?
13:21<stew>BoBo_BoSs: did you recently upgrade some software?
13:21<witte>!tell deb_usr about selftell
13:22<stew>BoBo_BoSs: does "dpkg -l libc6" report a version?
13:22<j0ned>stew: negative.. used this tutorial:
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13:23<stew>j0ned: did you do "# cp /lib/ /webroot/lib" becuase that seems to be missing in the chroot
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13:23<kop>geitje : If not, you may have started X from a console terminal. If you do ctrl-alt-f7 (all at once) you should go to the X login screen. From now on when you boot you should get the f7 (X) console by default.
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13:23<stew>j0ned: (from line 85 of your paste: #
13:23<stew>open("/lib/", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
13:23<j0ned>stew: Thanks so much for your help - I will do so now because I probably didn't...
13:24<geitje>kop: i'm doing all this from putty does that matter? cause the key doesnt do anything at all
13:24<kop>geitje : Ah you're remote.
13:25<stew>geitje: do you have a vnc client? have you tried connecting with the vnc client?
13:25<geitje>kop: i thought i mentioned that, my goal is to get vnc working with putty
13:25<geitje>i dont know what to enter in vncviewer
13:25<kop>geitje : (Yes, it matters.) Sorry, wasn't paying attention the whole time.
13:25<Cyorxamp>Anyone got experienced with setting up INN (InterNetNews?) - when I try to connect to it I get... 502 You have no permission to talk.
13:25<j0ned>stew: just looked, and it's there..
13:25<stew>j0ned: not according to strace
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13:25<geitje>kop: np, but i dont need x stew told me
13:26<kop>geitje : Right.
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13:26<j0ned>stew: investigating..
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13:26<geitje>kop: but when i start tightvncserver i only get this
13:26<stew>j0ned: line 85 of your paste says it is ENOENT
13:26<geitje>New 'X' desktop is debian:1
13:26<kop>geitje : So you need to start vncviewer on your MS Windows box. And tell it to connect to debian:1.
13:26<stew>geitje: have you tried connecting with a vncclient?
13:27<geitje>stew: what do i need to fill in?
13:27<stew>the ip address
13:27<geitje>stew: done that
13:27<kop>geitje : (Assuming that "debian" is a name that is known to dns (or all the /etc/hosts) on your network.
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13:27<geitje>the other pc is in this lan
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13:27<geitje>so its
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13:28<BoBo_BoSs> 2.3.6.ds1-13
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13:28<BoBo_BoSs>this is version
13:28<stew>BoBo_BoSs: what does "uname -r" say?
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13:28<kop>When you give the MS Windows vnc program the IP of your debian box, what does it say?
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13:28<stew>BoBo_BoSs: had you just recently upgraded some software?
13:29<geitje>failed to connect to server(
13:29<Kleber_>hello folks, is there anybody who could help me about Etch x86 and Postfix + ClamAV ?
13:29<stew>geitje: try
13:29<BoBo_BoSs>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
13:29<BoBo_BoSs>how upgrate this version
13:29<BoBo_BoSs>updatedb ?
13:29<geitje>stew: now it asks for username and pass
13:29<stew>BoBo_BoSs: what version does "dpkg -l apt" report?
13:29<geitje>stew: thats better
13:30<kop>geitje : Yay!
13:30<BoBo_BoSs>ii apt Advanced front-end for dpkg
13:30<geitje>kop: i got a grey screen, is that normal?
13:30<kop>geitje : I think so.
13:30<geitje>kop: or should i start kde or something
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13:31<kop>geitje : Id' guess you need some window manager running so that you've something to look at with vnc.
13:31<BoBo_BoSs>stew ?
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13:31<geitje>kop: i believe i have kde installed :S
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13:32<stew>BoBo_BoSs: in general, the recommended way to update is "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" ; there shouldn't be much to upgrade
13:32<deb_usr>excuse me, but when i try to install the flash player 9, it ask me to enter a valid mozilla or firefox path
13:32<stew>BoBo_BoSs: (assuming your sources.list is pointing to 'stable' or 'etch')
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13:32<deb_usr>when i entered /usr/lib/mozilla or /usr/lib/firefox the message is the same !!!
13:33<deb_usr>any idea ?
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13:33<kop>deb_usr: try: which firefox
13:33<kop>deb_usr : _If_ firefox is installed, which will then give you a path.
13:33<witte>deb_usr: can you just do "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and hit always enter :-)
13:33<Maulkin>deb_usr: make sure you have non-free in your sources.list (/msg dpkg non-free) and then "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree"
13:33<stew>yeah, it would give him /usr/bin/firefox
13:33<fxiny>i think is a macromedia flash installer fault
13:34<geitje>how can i see a list of programs that is running using putty?
13:34<deb_usr>witte : ok thanks i'm trying :)
13:35<kop>geitje : I've never tried to run vnc without having an X session started. There's probably some way to have it start when you connect in with vnc, but I don't know for sure. (I always use vnc to share a screen with somebody who needs help.)
13:35<kop>geitje : ps ax
13:35<geitje>kop: ow ok so maybe i need X?
13:35<stew>geitje: no, you don't
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13:36<geitje>doesnt sound logical no, but whats the solution?
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13:36<kop>geitje : I think maybe you need to start the vnc server that has a built in X.
13:36<deb_usr>what do you think about that message ?
13:36<kop>geitje : It's all coming back to me. aptitude search vnc
13:36<deb_usr>Download done.
13:36<deb_usr>md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
13:36<deb_usr>The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
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13:36<kop>geitje : I think there's something called xvnc.
13:36<BoBo_BoSs>stew and now ?
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13:37<witte>deb_usr: try again, there is a download error probably...
13:37<deb_usr>witte ...
13:37<stew>BoBo_BoSs: you ran "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" ?
13:37<geitje>kop: bash: aptitude: command not found
13:37<stew>BoBo_BoSs: then that is it. you have updated
13:37<BoBo_BoSs>k stew
13:37<kop>!tell geitje -about aptitude
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13:38<kop>geitje : apt-get install aptitude (If you like. You don't _have_ to use aptitude. It just helps keep your system cleaner.)
13:38<deb_usr>witte : doezn't work
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13:38<geitje>kop: got that allready
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13:38<geitje>kop :i x2vnc - A dual-screen hack - link an MS-Windows and X display
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13:39<geitje>kop :like that
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13:39<kop>geitje : I don't think x2vnc is the right thing.... Lemmie look.
13:39<dkr>check out synergy also, for crossplatform shared displays
13:39<geitje>kop: guess not it states i need X display
13:39<witte>deb_usr: strange, the md5sum is just a check that is done to look if the file is downloaded correctly
13:40<deb_usr>witte : the browser can't show me the videos !!
13:40<deb_usr>witte : what should i do then ?
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13:40<witte>deb_usr: I know, the installation failed, you showed us that
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13:41<geitje>kop: can find anything?
13:42<deb_usr>witte : np
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13:42<kop>geitje : My brain is full.
13:42<geitje>kop : haha
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13:43<kop>geitje : You are running vnc4server?
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13:43<geitje>kop: tightvncserver
13:43<geitje>kop: but i can change
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13:44<fxiny>that works on windows
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13:44<BoBo_BoSs>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
13:44<BoBo_BoSs>how repair this error ?
13:44<kop>geitje : I tend to stick with the stock vnc. The tightvnc people forked when they didn't really need to. I think vnc has since got their functionality.
13:44<BoBo_BoSs>apt-get install tcl8.4 ?
13:44<fxiny>what do you exactly type to connect to yor debian box ?
13:45<kop>geitje : But I don't know exactly what will solve your problem.
13:45<BoBo_BoSs>or what ?
13:45<geitje>kop: ok gimme a sec then ill install the regular one
13:45<fxiny>tight works
13:45<stew>BoBo_BoSs: /msg dpkg apt-file ; use apt-file to figure out which package contains this file and install it
13:45<geitje>kop : this then?apt-get install vnc-server
13:46<stew>BoBo_BoSs: what command gave you that error?
13:46<kop>geitje : aptitude install vnc4server
13:46<BoBo_BoSs>is a program
13:46<BoBo_BoSs>but no`t work
13:46<kop>geitje : apt-get'll work too, but it won't uninstall the dependencies if you uninstall later.
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13:47<geitje>kop: so all the time i used apt-get i screwed thinks up?
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13:47<kop>geitje : Not really, but I went back and marked "automatic" all the stuff I didn't explictly install.
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13:48<kop>geitje : Then from now on I don't have to think about it.
13:48<geitje>kop: ow ok
13:48<geitje>kop: well the normal vnc is running
13:48<kop>geitje : There's also "deb-orphan" and suchlike. The sarge->etch release update notes talk about switching to aptitude.
13:48<geitje>kop: should i also download the other windows thing?
13:49<kop>geitje : A grey screen is X with no window manager. I think the right mouse button might call up a menu....
13:49<kop>geitje : What other windows thing?
13:49<geitje>kop: another viewer
13:49<geitje>kop: still grey screen, right mouse wont help
13:49<j0ned>stew: I mounted /usr/lib to /path/to/chroot/usr/lib and strace produced the same error. ???
13:50<j0ned>stew: errors* :P
13:50<kop>geitje : You need the viewer on the MS Windows box. You probably need the vnc viewer that goes with the vnc server, but maybe not.
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13:50<geitje>kop: from
13:50<kop>geitje : It's something to do with how X automatically starts your desktop.
13:50<stew>j0ned: well the missing library was in /lib not /usr/lib
13:50<kop>geitje : Yes. But I don't _think_ that's your problem. (Although never hurts to fix one thing at a time.)
13:51<j0ned>stew: ... wow, duh.. *ahem*
13:51<kop>geitje : You have kde installed?
13:51<geitje>kop: i think you are right cause i used to start kde manually when i had my things connected
13:51<geitje>kop: yeah i thought so
13:51<geitje>kop: anyway to do a quickcheck?
13:51<kop>geitje : I'd expect that if you get the grey screen with the X that the mouse moves then vnc is doing it's thing.
13:52<geitje>kop: well probably vnc is working but i want to show a desktop ofcourse
13:52<kop>geitje : You might read the man page for the vnc server, to see how it decides to start a desktop or whatever.
13:53<geitje>kop: okk i'll do that
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13:54<geitje>kop: thnx for all the help i'll come back when i found something
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13:54<deb_usr>witte : the problem was the iceape
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13:55<deb_usr>witte : i entered /usr/lib/iceape and the installation is completed
13:55<deb_usr>witte : thanks for help !
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13:56<witte>deb_usr: You did it all yourself, i do not deserve any thanks ;-)
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13:56<deb_usr>witte : oh ! thanks !
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13:57<deb_usr>witte : i have another problem with the sound
13:57<deb_usr>witte : in the youtube videos, i can't hear sounds !!
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13:57<deb_usr>witte : do you have an idea ?
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13:57<witte>deb_usr: and the sound works in other applications
13:57<kop>geitje : You're using "vncserver" to start vnc on the debian side?
13:58<deb_usr>witte : yeah
13:58<j0ned>stew: ok, getent hosts from chroot now populates IPs, but if I put localhost instead of in my wordpress config.php, still fails to establish a connection to DB
13:59<xerophyte>is there anyway i can find out the disk capasity .. not the partitions .. i know i can add up the partition is there any command give me thta info .. dmesg get overwirted and i got nothing there
13:59<geitje>kop: yes
13:59<j0ned>stew: should resolve.conf contain my server providers nameservers or ?
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14:00<kop>geitje : I've an _old_ version. It says that vnc.conf has a $vncStartup that defaults to /etc/X11/XSession. That's the file that X (used to have) has to startup stuff like kde.
14:00<geitje>kop: but my X wont startup because i have nothing connected
14:01<stew>j0ned: is it trying to connect to your db via a tcp socket or via a domain socket?
14:01<deb_usr>witte : it's ok i just had to restart iceape !
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14:01<kop>geitje : It's remotely possible that you need X installed, but not running, to have the config files in place so that kde (or whatever) starts up.
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14:01<deb_usr>witte : thanks
14:01<stew>j0ned: if its a domain socket (which would be my guess) then it is probably failing to find /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
14:01<geitje>kop: but i got X installed though
14:02<kop>geitje : You can boot the box (/etc/inittab) into runlevel 2, so that X does not try to start (to avoid error messages.)
14:02<stew>you don't need X installed
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14:02<stew>kop: he setup runlevel 2 to not start x?
14:02<kop>stew : He's not getting an X session.
14:02<geitje>stew: now im only getting a grey screen
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14:02<kop>stew, geitje : Oops. It's RH coming back into my brain.
14:02<witte>kop: this is debian: in debian, runlevel 2 is the default level (often with X)
14:03<stew>geitje: did you read /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian ?
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14:03<geitje>stew: nope
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14:04<j0ned>stew: mounted /var/run/mysqld to /path/to/chroot/var/run/mysqld, and it worked like a charm..
14:04<j0ned>stew: mounting external directories to directories within the chroot is dangerous, isn't it?
14:04<kop>geitje , stew: Duh. I should have known. Read the directions.
14:05<geitje>kop, stew: i missed something?
14:05<kop>geitje : Stew recommends reading the readme.
14:05<geitje>kop: ow but i cant atm cause kde is updating and that takes 30 mins :(
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14:05<kop>geitje : It may well say how to setup an X session for vnc.,
14:06<kop>geitje : Nothing stops you from ssh-ing into the box a second time.
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14:06<geitje>kop: ow ok
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14:08<stew>j0ned: if you are mounting /lib and /usr/lib/ to your chroot you are defeating the purpose of the chroot in the first place.
14:08<geitje>kop: should i look in the vnc or in t X manual?
14:08<stew>j0ned: i don't know that there is necessariy a safer way for you to get your chroot access to mysql, though
14:08<kop>geitje : /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian
14:09<kop>geitje : I'd say the vnc server.
14:09<stew>geitje: the one for the vncserver you are trying to use
14:09<geitje>kop: README.inetd
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14:10<stew>geitje: see if any of the files in there mention xsession. maybe 'zgrep -i xsession *'
14:10<kop>geitje : I forgot. You don't know command line.
14:10<kop>cd into /usr/share/doc/
14:10<geitje>kop: not much no
14:10<geitje>kop: i found that out :p
14:10<kop>geitje : Then "ls" for the vnc server package.
14:11<geitje>i got it open
14:11<kop>geitje : Then cd into that and ls to look for a readme.
14:11<geitje>kop: yeah think i found it
14:11<geitje>: now trying to search for an X
14:11<kop>geitje : If it has a .gz on the end, then you need to use zless (that's the easy way) to read it.
14:11<kop>geitje : Start with the vnc server readme.
14:11<petemc>eval $(lesspipe)
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14:12<geitje>kop: yeah can i cntrl+f it somehow?
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14:12<kop>geitje : ?
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14:12<geitje>kop: search in the doc
14:12<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or
14:12<hachi>anyone know how to get dch to not block on "dch: Did you see that warning? Press RETURN to continue..." ?
14:12<kop>geitje : Press the 'h' key in less. It will give you help. (The / key searches.)
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14:13<kop>geitje : (Or read man less)
14:13<geitje>kop: ok thnx
14:13<hachi>I mean apart from fixing the warning, because the warning is happening because I'm not following debian release policy
14:14<kop>geitje : "man less" and "info info" are the 2 things you need to read to learn to read linux docs.
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14:14<kop>geitje : (Maybe "man man" to learn about "man -k".)
14:15<geitje>kop: joke?
14:16<kop>geitje : Nope. (less is more -- another not-joke joke)
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14:16<geitje>kop: well the manual doesnt have a pattern for xsession or zgrep
14:17<kop>geitje : The readme you mean?
14:17<geitje>kop: yeah, it doesnt say anything about those 2 words
14:17<kop>geitje : I'd stick with "session", or "startup".
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14:18<kop>geitje : You want the README.Debian file, which says what you need to do to get it to work on Debian.
14:18<kop>geitje : The Debian people write those.
14:18<geitje>kop: then i guess i got the wrong one
14:19<geitje>kop: these are the only ones in the directory: changelog.Debian.gz copyright examples README.inetd
14:20<kop>geitje : See if there's a vncserver-doc (or whatever your package name is vnc4server-doc?) package.
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14:22<kop>geitje : I don't see one. Maybe it's time to go back to stew? (It really shouldn't be this hard. But I always get confused with vnc.)
14:22<geitje>: i dont see any neither :S
14:22<stew>i have no idea how to configure a session in a vnc server
14:23<geitje>that makes 3 of us then :p
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14:24<kop>geitje : I bet the vnc people have a faq....
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14:26<geitje>kop: there are like a million sites that provide vnc, i dont know which is a proper one, or which one im using
14:26<kop>geitje :
14:26<Supaplex>there's also plenty of variants that will not work with some feature in another vns variant
14:26<Supaplex>there's also plenty of variants that will not work with some feature in another vnc variant
14:26<kop>geitje : It says you're not starting your vnc server with the "vncserver" command.
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14:27<geitje>kop: i do but i dont use any commands further then that
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14:30<kop>geitje : That page says that $HOME/.vnc/xstartup needs to startup kde. By default it starts twm and an xterm, and you probably don't have twm installed.
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14:31<geitje>kop: is it better then?
14:32<kop>geitje : I think that's what your using when you use the regular vnc packages (not tightvnc).
14:32<kop>geitje : Did you see the part about $HOME/.vnc/xstartup ?
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14:33<raoni>to com uma duvida
14:33<raoni>alguem pode me ajudar?
14:33<kop>!tell raoni -about es
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14:33<raoni>you speak portuguese?
14:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:34<raoni>thanks a lot
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14:35<geitje>gimme sec kop, phone
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14:37<bighornram>I am unable to find a rt2500-modules-2.6.21-2-486 package is there any information about this?
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14:38<witte>bighornram:: you need to compile that
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14:39<witte>bighornram:: "apt-get install rt2500-source; m-a m-i rt2500-source" i think
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14:39<bighornram>I get rt2500-source failed in module-assistant
14:39<guillaume>mysql5.0.45-1 failed to start after aptitude safe-upgrade with lenny amd64
14:39<bighornram>i had for 2.6.18 but the kernel upgrade broke it.
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14:40<bighornram>won't recompile with 2.6.21
14:41<witte>bighornram: look at the bug tracking system, there are some bugs reported
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14:42<raoni>i need help to my mouse
14:43<raoni>i' am install in my notebook de debian
14:43<geitje>ok im back kop u still there
14:43<raoni>but before install de touch screen is very loow
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14:45<bernardo>What is the nearest debian software compared to corel draw or adobe fireworks?
14:46<geitje>kop: u there?
14:46<kop>geitje : Sorta here. What's in the ~/.vnc/xserver file?
14:46<witte>bernardo: the gimp
14:46<geitje>kop: still looking for it :S
14:46<kop>raoni : You need to ask specific questions.
14:47<bernardo>witte: ty... i will try it
14:47<kop>geitje : cd; cd .vnc ; cat xserver
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14:47<witte>bernardo: also look at the manual: grokking the gimp
14:47<geitje>kop : thats the problem -bash: cd: .vnc: No such file or directory
14:48<kop>geitje : ls ~/.vnc says there's nothing there?
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14:49<geitje>ls: /home/henk/.vnc: No such file or directory
14:49<kop>geitje : The solution is in "man vncserver" somewhere. Let me find a box and install vnc quickly.
14:50<geitje>kop : u are my angel :$
14:50<geitje>kop : probs i installed a wrong vncprog
14:50<kop>geitje : What does "aptitude search ~ivnc" say?
14:51<lontra>panthera: i'm curious if you ever packaged bub-n-bros and if you have if you could share the source with me? thanks!
14:51<kop>geitje : I need to install the same thing you've got.
14:52<geitje>kop : i now see i got about 6 installed :S
14:52<geitje>kop : let me remove everything except vncserver
14:52<kop>geitje : Some might be needed as dependencies.
14:52<kop>geitje : It will complain if you try to uninstall those.
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14:52<geitje>kop: no they are all from the vnc list i found before
14:53<geitje>kop : dunno y i got them all installed
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14:53<kop>geitje : No harm. You might want to do a "purge" rather than a simple "remove", later, when things are sorted out.
14:54<geitje>kop : i think some servers are still running cause its complaining if a proces is using it
14:54<bighornram>witte: thanks got it working. ;)
14:55<kop>geitje : It should only complain if another package needs it, because it depends on a library or something. (IIRC)
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14:55<geitje> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
14:55<geitje>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
14:55<kop>geitje : Your MS Windows vnc viewer program is from
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14:55<kop>geitje : Is your kde install still upgrading?
14:56<geitje>kop : i was using tightvnc but i can use the
14:56<geitje>kop : yeah kde is finished downloading, now installing
14:56<kop>geitje : You won't be able to (un)install until that's done.
14:56<geitje>kop : ow ok :P
14:56<geitje>kop : im learning more and more
14:56<kop>geitje : Let's use the realvnc stuff everywhere.
14:57<geitje>kop : ok
14:57<kop>geitje : Unix is designed for multiple users, and keeps them from stepping on each others toes.
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14:59<kop>geitje : You are running Debian etch?
15:00<geitje>kop : i have no idea?
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15:01<kop>geitje : cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0?
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15:02<geitje>kop : yes it does
15:03<kop>geitje : That's debian stable, aka etch.
15:03<geitje>kop : okidoki, still running kde updater
15:03<geitje>kop : rdy!
15:04<kop>geitje : I installed the vnc4server package and there's a /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/README.Debian file.
15:04<geitje>kop : i didnt instal that one
15:05<geitje>kop : only the plain vncserver
15:05<kop>geitje : The plain vncserver says it's old. Let's try the new one.
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15:06<geitje>kop : ow my bad
15:06<kop>geitje : Is your MS Windows box got the right vnc viewer?
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15:07<geitje>kop : the one from
15:07<kop>geitje : Ok.
15:07<geitje>kop : when i n - Virtual network computing server software
15:07<geitje>i vnc4server - Virtual network computing server software
15:07<geitje>i vnc4-common - Virtual network computing server software
15:07<geitje>i vnc4server - Virtual network computing server software
15:07<geitje>kop : those are the only 2 found with aptitude search ~ivnc now
15:08<kop>Ok. Let's try running the server and connecting again.
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15:08<kop>geitje : (It's not so polite to paste more than a line or 2.)
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15:09<geitje>kop : yeah was accidental :(
15:10<ranix>hm, I think it's pretty amazing that you can upgrade your operating system by two major versions with one command and it (mostly) works
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15:10<kop>geitje : What does "ps ax | grep vnc" say?
15:10<geitje>kop : alot
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15:10<ranix>so far so good for a woody to etch upgrade
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15:10<kop>geitje : Let's stop all the running vnc servers.
15:11<geitje>kop : great idea but how :p
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15:11<kop>geitje : The number in the first column is the pid (of ps ax). You type "kill <pid>".
15:11<kop>geitje : After each one do: ps ax | grep vnc
15:12<mixter>hi! i've just installed etch, and have some problems with the resolution on my computer. in xorg.conf I got the right resolution (1280x800) but gnome will only give me up to 1024x768. do i have to change settings in gnome too?
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15:12<geitje>kop : i cant kill this one :21697 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep vnc
15:12<kop>geitje : That's ok. That's the grep command looking through your ps output.
15:12<geitje>kop : ok
15:13<kop>geitje : If that's all that's left then vnc is stopped.
15:13<guillaume>madroach: have you restart xorg ?
15:13<geitje>kop : it is i guess
15:13<kop>geitje : So, try: vncserver (to start the server)
15:13<mixter>guillaume: i have, if you're talking to me :-)
15:14<geitje>kop : can i whisper u to paste the returned info?
15:14<mixter>guillaume: i used alt+ctrl+backspace
15:14<kop>geitje : Let's just pretend it worked and try connecting from the MS Windows box.
15:15<guillaume>mixter: have you edit xorg.log to see if something's wrong at restart ?
15:15<geitje>kop : wow it works
15:15<geitje>kop : i got a desktop
15:15<geitje>kop : well not a desktop but a konsole :S
15:16<kop>geitje : I guess it was a question of having the right version on both sides.
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15:16<geitje>kop : true, but i dont see my desktop now, only a konsole :S
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15:16<geitje>kop : hmm this is strange
15:16<ranix>dist-upgrade from Woody to Etch uninstalled my kernel and didn't install a new one
15:16<kop>geitje : konsole?
15:16<ranix>I got you beat in strange, geitje
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15:16<geitje>come again ranix?
15:17<ranix>dist-upgrade from Woody to Etch uninstalled my kernel and didn't install a new one
15:17<kop>ranix : Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
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15:17<ranix>well I've done this tons of times so I got a handle on fixing it
15:17<wutbox>don't mean to interupt, but what are the main packages needed for a fileserver
15:17<ranix>and I did it right, from what I've done before
15:17<ranix>I just thought it was funny
15:17<kop>geitje : Ah. konsole is the kde terminal program?
15:17<geitje>kop : yup
15:17<blarson>ranix: Skipping debian releases is not supported.
15:18<kop>wutbox : samba and cups
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15:18<ranix>blarson: I guess, haha
15:18<ranix>I won't like to waste bandwidth though
15:18<kop>geitje : You have menus and stuff?
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15:19<geitje>kop : no :S
15:19<geitje>kop : and now i quitted my konsole i have grey again ^^
15:19<kop>geitje : Right, no window manager.
15:20<kop>geitje : do you have xdm or gdm or kdm installed?
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15:20<geitje>i thought kdm lemme check
15:20<geitje>whats the quick thing to put kop : for it?
15:21<kop>geitje : aptitude search dm might do it.
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15:21<kop>geitje : aptitude search ~idm
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15:22<mixter>guillaume: i found one row there... saying it wont use my 1280x800 mode, since there is no mode with that name. :-/ instead it reverts to the standard-modes 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768
15:22<geitje>kop : found alot again
15:22<mixter>guillaume: how could i specify/install/download a 1280x800 mode to X?
15:22<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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15:23<ranix>100% success in my dist-upgrade
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15:23<ranix>had to reboot, though
15:23<geitje>kop :
15:23<ranix>this distribution has come a long way. I don't see why anyone would use anything else
15:23<guillaume>mixter: you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:24<kop>geitje : Ok. kdm is installed...
15:25<geitje>kop : maybe konsole just popped up because i updated kde
15:25<ranix>mixter: you should become familiar with xorg.conf
15:25<mixter>guillaume: i only have the 1280x800 modes autodetected there, (under subsection display underneath screen) i haven't used x11 in over 10 years, so i don't remember how to do it. :-) is there any tutorial?
15:26<ranix>mixter: I find it much easier to just open it up in vim and make a couple changes than to dpkg-reconfigure or anything else
15:26<witte>mixter: you can also do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", which should give you a nice interface
15:26<kop>geitje : I think by default it comes up with a terminal in a window manager. But why has it not started the whole desktop?
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15:26<geitje>kop : that's the question
15:26<kop>geitje : I think we want it to get the kde login screen (via kdm).
15:27<kop>geitje : Maybe kdm is not installed as the default x login manager, or kde is not the default desktop?
15:27<mixter>witte: thanks, but i already did, and it find the correct resolution, and puts it in xorg.conf :-/
15:27<kop>geitje : perhaps try: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
15:27<geitje>kop : it dood look familiar, the konsole thingy
15:27<ranix>a fresh apt-get install kdm should set kdm as the desktop manager
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15:28<kop>ranix : He does not have X installed.
15:28<ranix>apt-get install xserver-xorg
15:28<kop>ranix : Maybe he should purge and re-install?
15:28<kop>ranix : He does not want X installed. Just vnc.
15:28<witte>mixter, can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin?
15:28<ranix>vnc is wrong
15:28<geitje>i do got X installed but not running
15:28<ranix>that is the problem
15:28<geitje>ranix ?
15:28<ranix>mixter: you want to search google for "xdmcp howto"
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15:29<ranix>VNC is Doing It Wrong
15:29<ranix>it's backwards
15:29<kop>ranix : But, there's a free MS Windows client. I know of nothing available for X.
15:29<guillaume>mixter: look at my xorg.conf it may help you :
15:29<mixter>ranix: guillaume: it seems like i need an extra patch to my gfx-card i'll try this
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15:29<ranix>kop: there is cygwin and others
15:29<ranix>kop: cygwin can run x quite admirably
15:30<kop>ranix : I forgot about cygwin. It's a pain to setup last time I tried. That was years ago.
15:30<guillaume>mixter: what's your graphic card ?
15:30<kop>geitje : Of course, this has been a pain with vnc.
15:30<ranix>kop: we're using it here at work and it was a slick setup. It's actually called Cygwin-X now
15:30<witte>mixter: that 915resolution thing is in debian, you can apt-get it
15:30<ranix>heading home now, catch you folks later
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15:30<geitje>thnx for the tips
15:31<geitje>kop : so what about this cygwin?
15:31<kop>geitje : running dpkg-reconfigure on kdm and maybe kde might help get vnc configured.
15:32<kop>geitje : It's an xwindows server (meaning screen and keyboard) for MS Windows.
15:32<kop>geitje : Actually, it's a whole Unix environment with lots of other programs too.
15:32<mixter>now i got the right resolution! i used `aptitude 915resolution` and restarted X. all seems fine! i don't know exactly wich gfx-card it is, i got an acer travelmate
15:32<geitje>kop : but y would i wanna do that?
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15:32<geitje>kop : i want remote acces, not unix on my ms windows
15:32<mixter>thank you all for the tips!
15:33<kop>geitje : X runs over the network. You can run the keyboard, mouse and screen on your MS Windows box, and all the programs/desktop/etc on the Debian box.
15:33<geitje>dpkg-reconfigure doesnt doe anything with kdm
15:33<lupine_85>Exceed is an X server that runs without the need for cygwin... that + putty would do the trick
15:33<geitje>both kde and kdm dont respong on dpkg-reconfigure
15:34<geitje>respond *
15:34<kop>geitje : You might try following the Debian vnc instructions.
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15:34<kop>geitje : They're in /usr/share/vnc4server/README.Debian.gz
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15:35<kop>geitje : They say to look in /usr/share/vnc-common/examples/vnc.conf.gz and put the contents (uncompressed) in /etc/vnc.conf.
15:35<geitje>kop : yeah i will have a look at it tommorow and otherwise i will try the other thingy's
15:35<geitje>kop : thnx for all the help
15:35<kop>geitje : All of vnc.conf is commented out, but I bet if you uncommented the part about the Xsession it would do the right thing.
15:35<geitje>kop : im probably back tommorow ;)
15:35<kop>geitje : or at least something.
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15:36<kop>geitje : Good. I'm tired of this too.
15:36<geitje>kop : yeah thnx for all the patience with me
15:36<kop>geitje : You're welcome.
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15:37<wutbox>does the debian net install support LVM
15:37<kop>wutbox : Yes.
15:37<wutbox>how do I do it
15:38<kop>wutbox : If nothing else, start it in expert mode. I forget if it'll do lvm otherwise.
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15:38<kop>wutbox : The install docs might say.
15:38<wutbox>ok, how do I start in expert mode
15:38<wutbox>(new guy)
15:39<kop>wutbox : There's a F2 key right at boot. It says something like "type expert" at the prompt.
15:39<wutbox>awesome, thanks
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15:41<[Magnus]>any ircops here?
15:41<lontra>[Magnus]: why you got some pot?
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15:42<lontra>[Magnus]: what's your question?
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15:42<stew>[Magnus]: if you need a channel operator, you can talk to me, if you need network operator, ask in #oftc
15:42<[Magnus]>well its about my name on the server, I keep getting PM from some dude to change it
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15:42<stew>[Magnus]: ask in #oftc
15:43<stew>[Magnus]: or just put the person on /ignore
15:43<mikegrb>stew: it's probably nickserv ;)
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15:43<[Magnus]>well I register it, so its mine
15:43<nick>what is the purpose of the uswsusp package as it is saying generating rsa key this may take a while but is so far taken over an hour and is still running at nice --20
15:44<weasel>nick: try to move the mouse
15:44<weasel>it's probably waiting for randomness
15:44<mixter>is there any good graphical bittorrent clients included in etch?
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15:45<mixter>lupine_85: thanks! i'll try it out
15:45<lupine_85>it's a bit of a CPU hog on large torrents, but good otherwise IME
15:46<nick>it is running with out me moving the mouse as at nice --20 the other processes are very slow which proovs it is running. also my hard drive is running a lot. what does this package do?
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15:49<mixter>lupine_85: it looks ok. i use azeurus on my mac and like it, this looks ok too. the included gnome bittorrent was a litle basic IMO, i'd like to see what happends :-)
15:49<nick>sense I put this process in the background should I bring it back to the for ground?
15:52<twb>In galeon and iceweasel, when I render a page that asks for Arial instead of Sans (via CSS), the fonts are bitmaps instead of antialiased. How can I change this?
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16:18<ellobo>is there any way of changing the installation prefix of a .deb (normally /usr) in install time with dpkg ?
16:18<ellobo>dpkg: ping
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16:19<Hessophanes>ellobo: Normally /usr? The contained tarball is usually extracted at /... but see --root, --admindir, --instdir.
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16:20<ellobo>Hessophanes: thnx
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16:21<stew>ellobo: why do you want to change it?
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16:53<cire>I have an old laptop which shall be used as a file server. I have several (4) SATA disks which should be connected to it. How would you do that? (don't want to pay 300-400 Euros for an 4- or 6-Bay solution, I also want to be able to spin them down with hdparm.)
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16:54<cire>The laptop has 4 USB 2.0 Connectors. But, as I read, hdparm doesn't work through these SATA-USB adaptors.
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16:56[~]Ten Has the hilarious experience of hearing apt scoffed at by a SuSE guy.
16:57[~]Ten just laughed.
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17:06<broedje>just testing konversation, as i cannot find gaim pidgin anymore
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17:12<Woet>hello, I would like to install an irc server on my debian (IRCu or so)
17:12<stew>Woet: aptitude isntall ircd-ircu
17:12<Woet>i did
17:12<Woet>but its outdated
17:13<stew>err install
17:13<stew>Woet: what do you mean outdated?
17:13<Woet>somebody says i need to download it, and then compile it
17:13<JasonS>Woet: define outdated?
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17:13[~]JasonS bets Woet is on stable
17:13<stew>Woet: why?
17:13<Woet>they say debian package is outdated
17:13<Woet>and that i need to compile the source
17:13<JasonS>Woet: most likely is, we dont strive to be bleeding edge in most cases
17:13<twb>Woet: upstream developers always say that.
17:13<stew>Woet: why does it matter that it is 'outdated'?
17:13<stew>it works fine for me
17:13<twb>Woet: it's usually safe to ignore them.
17:13<Woet>i just had like 20 part messages on a channel
17:14<JasonS>Woet: as long as it gets security updates
17:14<Woet>without the join messages
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17:14<Woet>i dont like such shit :)
17:15<stew>Woet: did the person actually leave? or just use /me ?
17:15<twb>I direct my OpenWRT router to send its syslog entries to my Debian server; logcheck flags them ALL as scary, because there are two spaces before the hostname instead of one. Is this Debian's fault, or OpenWRT's? I asked the OpenWRT people but got no answer :-(
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17:15<Woet>they left stew
17:15<stew>Woet: like that^^
17:15<Woet>its was green
17:16<stew>Woet: and this is a bug that was fixed between 2.10.11 and 2.10.12 ?
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17:16<Woet>i got a very old version i guess
17:16<Woet>how do i check the version? :)
17:17<stew>Woet: apt-cache policy ircd-ircu
17:17<twb>Woet: dpkg -l
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17:17<Woet>keep on 1 line please
17:18<lupine_85>just pipe it to grep
17:19<Woet>it takes long?
17:19<Woet>what stew said
17:19<Woet>got it
17:19<Woet>[00:18:18] <Woet> keep on 1 line please
17:19<Woet>[00:18:18] <Woet> xD
17:19<stew>Woet: please don't hit enter so much
17:19<Woet>[00:18:18] <Woet> keep on 1 line please
17:19<Woet>[00:18:18] <Woet> xD
17:19<Woet>oops sorry
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17:19<ricky>twb: !enter seems to be it.
17:20<Woet>now its ircu2.10.12.10
17:20<stew>Woet: you should file a wishlist bug against the package requesting that a newer version be packaged: /msg dpkg reportbug
17:20<Woet>i need to wait? :-/
17:21<Woet>isnt there something better to run an IRC server on debian>?
17:21<twb>!enter >Woet
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17:21<Woet>cant i download the tar from their site
17:22<Woet>and then install it on debian?
17:22<stew>Woet: if you want to use the debian packages you need to wait. if you want to compile and install a newer version from source, you can do that too
17:22<stew>Woet: yes, of course
17:22<Woet>how? :)
17:22<stew>Woet: how what? how do you download it?
17:22<Woet>and how do i unistall my older one? :P
17:22<stew>Woet: aptitude remove ircd-ircu
17:22<Woet>i got a tar on my desktop computer
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17:22<Woet>and i got a download link
17:22<Woet>cant debian install that link?
17:23<twb>Woet: how do you imagine that would work?
17:23<stew>Woet: no, untar it and follow the instructions in README and/or INSTALL
17:23<Woet>i untarred.
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17:23<lupine_85>well, s/he could steal the debian/ from the current version and pray ;)
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17:25<Woet>i will stay with the bugged old version
17:25<Woet>i cant get the new one to work
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17:25<stew>Woet: file the wishlist bug
17:25<Woet>how long does that take?
17:25<stew>Woet: to file the bug?
17:26<Woet>to make apt-get install ircd-ircu
17:26<Woet>grab the latest
17:26<stew>Woet: you mean how long after you file the bug will a new version be available?
17:26<Woet>how long does it take untill i can use apt-get install ircd-ircu
17:26<stew>Woet: it will take however long it takes until the ircd-ircu maintainer decides to take to upload a new version
17:27<twb>Is there an easy way to query popcon data, rather than downloading a txt.gz and grepping over it?
17:27<stew>Woet: are you running etch? aka debian stable aka 4.0?
17:27<Woet>the latest debian
17:27<stew>Woet: which version?
17:27[~]twb hands stew a stiff drink
17:27<Woet>how do i find out?
17:27<stew>Woet: then never. stable never gets new versions of software
17:27<MoDaX>Woet: cat /etc/debian_version
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17:28<Woet>then has someone a tutorial to get the very latest ircu-ircd
17:28<Woet>or another irc server?
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17:28<stew>Woet: i thought you said you had already downloaded the lastest ircu-ircd?
17:28<Woet>i know got an unzipped tar on my desktop
17:28<Woet>en now?
17:28<Woet>and now * ?
17:28<MoDaX>twb: via<packagenamehere>
17:29<twb>I actually wanted to compare two packages.
17:29<Woet>can i use cvs?
17:30<stew>Woet: so the tutorial for isntalling it should be named INSTALL or README from the tarball
17:30<Woet>it says "use cvs"
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17:31<stew>Woet: instructions on using cvs are here:
17:31<stew>Woet: and the install instructions from cvs are here:
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17:32<stew>Woet: if you want a different ircd from debian, apt-cache showpkg ircd ; they will be listed under the "Reverse Provides" section
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17:32<jusae>okay i'm tryin to get samba to act like a PDC
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17:33<jusae>and its not lettin me log in and google suggests addin the machine name somewhere
17:34<jusae>but the -w isn't workin for me and most of the crap refers to a ldap, which is something i don't need right now
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17:34<twb>aptitude search ~Pircd
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17:34<stew>twb: nice one
17:35<guillaume_>how to decompress a rar archive with space in the name "archive 1.rar" with unrar ?
17:35<twb>aptitude search ~Pircd ~nircd might be better, some are missing Provides headers.
17:35<stew>twb: except i don't have a Pircd user on my system :P
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17:35<guillaume_>i try with archive\ 1.rar but it fail
17:35<twb>stew: get a POSIX shell
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17:36<Woet>INSTALL said i need to use: cvs -d co -P ircu2.10
17:36<Woet>but that doersnt install
17:36<Woet>i guess
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17:36<twb>Woet: plonk
17:36<stew>Woet: then you should talk to the upstream developers
17:36<twb>guillaume_: rename it?
17:36<stew>Woet: there is a bug tracker on their sourceforge page
17:37<twb>guillaume_: I wouldn't really expect unrar to work properly on Unix :-/
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17:37<guillaume_>twb: it's a segmented archive... I think that if I do that it'll break archive no ?
17:37<MoDaX>guillaume_: unrar x "archive 1.rar"
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17:38<mtnman>does anyone know, off-hand, the name of the module under 2.6 for intel 810?
17:38<twb>mtnman: i810?
17:38<stew>Woet: wait do you mean it fails to checkout the code? or it fails to install the software after checking out?
17:38<Woet>i see a loooooooooong list of files
17:38<Woet>nothing else.
17:38<mtnman>twb: well, that was under 2.4 and it seems to have changed for 2.6.
17:39<stew>yes, that is you obtaining the lastest version of the source code
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17:39<twb>find /lib/modules/ -name \*8?0* -exec basename {} .ko \; | fmt
17:39<stew>mtnman: for which? the video driver or the audio driver?
17:39<twb>mtnman: you mean for post-VESA graphics support?
17:40<guillaume_>MoDaX: thk u
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17:41<mtnman>twb: well if by post-vesa, you mean xv... then yes.
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17:41<mtnman>twb: ah it _is_ i810. thanks.
17:42<Woet>how did i check the version of ircu again?>
17:42<Woet>or someone else? :)
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17:42<stew>Woet: apt-cache policy ircd-ircu
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17:43<Woet>i did cvs update -dP
17:43<Woet>but it doesnt update?
17:43<Woet>or do i need to do something after it updated all the files?
17:43<guillaume_>I have another question about apache2 package for debian sarge, I set up a virtualhost on port 81 with a documentroot in a specific folder /home/xxxx/xxxx but when I load the page, the document root return by log is /htdocs. I search every where in /etc/apache2/ but can't find what's doing that. The documentroot setup in my virtualhost contain an .htaccess file but it doesn't refer to /htdocs...
17:44<stew>Woet: probably becuase nobody has checked in any new changes since the time you checked out the code
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17:44<Woet>so what do i need to do?
17:44<stew>Woet: after you checked out the sourcecode, you need to continue with the installation instructions
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17:45<stew>Woet: are you asking me to type the installation instructions in here?
17:45<stew>Woet: do you prefer reading them from irc than reading them from the INSTALL file for some reason?
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17:45<Woet>But I just want the commands to get the latest ircu
17:46<stew>Woet: you already have the lastest ircu
17:46<stew>Woet: you need to install it
17:46<Woet>and the INSTALL isnt correct
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17:46<stew>Woet: which part isn't correct?
17:46<Woet>the CVS part
17:46<stew>Woet: what part is incorrect?
17:46<Woet>the CVS part
17:46<Woet>all of it
17:47<stew>Woet: it worked for me
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17:47<stew>Woet: did you get an error?
17:47<Woet>stop using my name lol
17:47<Woet>i hear like 20 sounds
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17:47<inonooby>hey all
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17:47<inonooby>i want to start in a bash fil this command at the starting up
17:47<stew>Woet: did you run "cvs -d co -P ircu2.10" ? did that command succeed?
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17:47<Woet>i saw a long list
17:47<Woet>and now i see that dir
17:47<inonooby>/usr/lib/xscreensaver/xmatrix -root -small -density 15 -delay 50000 -phone 0329623466 -knock-knock -trace
17:47<Woet>at my root
17:47<stew>Woet: so what is the problem then?
17:47<Woet>starting it?
17:47<Woet>installing it?
17:48<Woet>configurating it?
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17:48<stew>Woet: you need to continue with the installation instructions where you compile it and install it
17:48<twb>inonooby: well?
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17:48<Woet>wtf? which instruction?
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17:48<stew>Woet: they are in the file named INSTALL
17:48<Woet>i know now
17:49<inonooby>i set in a bash fils and he dont start this command
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17:49<twb>inonooby: what do you mean by `fils'?
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17:53<Cyor>Lo folks, odd question - but I want to be sure
17:53<Cyor>Whats the plural of my nick?
17:53<Cyor>Cyorxamps or Cyorxamp's
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17:54<Woet>"After obtaining the latest version of the ircu source code, change into the
17:54<Woet>source directory (ircu2.10.xx.yy), and run "./configure".
17:54<Woet>phobos:/# ./configure
17:54<Woet>-bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
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17:54<tcsetattr>if you didn't comprehend "change into the source directory" you need to buy a Unix For Dummies book or something.
17:54<stew>Cyorxamp: without ' ; 's is only used to pluralize things in extremely rare cases
17:55<Cyorxamp>what cases stew?
17:55<Cyorxamp>wouldn't is be using a ' in all cases of possession ?
17:56<Woet>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
17:56<twb>tcsetattr: RUTE, perhaps
17:56<stew>Cyorxamp: the only i know of is when you are pluralizing a lowercase letter. the plurar of e is e's and some peole will challange that one
17:56<Woet>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
17:56<ranix>posessive pronouns are what people screw up most, which is retarded
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17:56<Woet>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
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17:57<tcsetattr>in Debian, to get a function C compiler you should "apt-get install build-essential"
17:57<ranix>apt-get install gcc
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17:57<stew>Woet: please don't repeat yourself
17:57<ranix>or build-essential is probably better
17:57<Woet>Media change: please insert the disc labeled
17:57<Woet> 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 CD Binary-1 20070528-09:58'
17:57<Woet>in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
17:57<Woet>i dont want to do that
17:58<ranix>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:58<stew>heh, he said he was running sarg
17:58<stew>err, etch
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17:58<Woet>i did ranix
17:58<ranix>I still can't believe etch is stable
17:58<ranix>Woet: do it right
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17:58<Woet>I did it right ranix
17:59<ranix>apparently not, check it again and make sure "deb cdrom:" lines are commented out with hashes
17:59<stew>Woet: run 'aptitude update' anytime you edit sources.list
17:59<ranix>oh, I'm a loser
17:59<ranix>thanks stew
18:01<antgel>this problem seen on two etch boxes, but i cloned them, so it may well not be a debian bug. still want to understand it. using stock kernels with initrd, ethernet interface is e.g. eth0 in dmesg, then when system boots, i get SIOCSIFADDR: no such device, and ifconfig -a reveals ethernet interface moved to e.g. eth5. how and why could this occur?
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18:01<stew>antgel: /msg dpkg z25
18:02<stew>and /msg dpkg widbu
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18:03<antgel>stew: thank you. funny that i've only seen it on these two boxen though. i wonder if another admin got involved
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18:04<stew>antgel: perhaps they are not running udev, or are running udev older than 090 which is the version that added it
18:04<twb>Well, it probably is just deja vu
18:04<stew>antgel: or they just only have ever had one nic
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18:05<twb>Go on then, shake your head and walk out.
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18:06<antgel>stew: could be - not sure if they are up to date etch. what /really/ got me was that it took me half a day of head-scratching to try ifconfig -a :|
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18:06<stew>antgel: well now you won't forget :)
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18:07<antgel>stew: yeah, best way to learn something is when it costs you money (=time)
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18:07<Woet>how long does aptitude update take
18:07<stew>antgel: if you think it would help, i'll charge you for this conversation :P
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18:07<antgel>if you saw some of the stupid things i tried to solve this *runs in embarassment*
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18:08<antgel>stew: sure, just send your bill to /dev/null ;)
18:08<stew>antgel: ln -s /usr/sbin/sendmail /dev/null
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18:13<ivanz>buenas Juan!
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18:13<ivanz>como andas?
18:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:14<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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18:18<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compile cannot create executables
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18:18<stew>Woet: aptitude isntall build-essential
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18:18<stew>Woet: err install not isntall
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18:19<Woet>If configure runs without error(s), you are ready to compile. To compile ircu,
18:19<Woet>run "make".
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18:19<guillaume_>I wish to use hibernate but have problem with ipw3945 and nvidia module, how can I solve the pb, must I force the script or is there a smarter way to allow suspend and hibernate ?
18:19<Woet>how to run make??
18:20<stew>Woet: type "make"
18:20<Woet>i did
18:20<ricky>Then press enter.
18:20<Woet>missign arguments
18:20<Woet>phobos:/ircu2.10# make
18:20<Woet>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
18:20<Woet>it works now
18:20<Woet>it doesnt
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18:20<stew>Woet: stop hitting enter instead of punctuation
18:20<Woet>If configure runs without error(s), you are ready to compile. To compile ircu, run "make".
18:20<Woet>run gives error
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18:20<Woet>make gives error **
18:21<stew>Woet: does ./configure complete successfully?
18:21<Woet>its doing it now
18:21<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
18:21<Woet>i installed build-essential
18:22<stew>Woet: what does "dpkg -l build-essential | tail -1" return?
18:22<Woet>wait a min
18:22<Woet>its installing again
18:22<tcsetattr>you shouldn't be doing compilation as root and in such a weird location either.
18:22<stew>Woet: stop hitting enter so much
18:23<Woet>its reinstalling now
18:23<Woet>it went wrong last time
18:23<stew>Woet: stop hitting enter so much.
18:23<Woet>stew: stop repeating yourself.
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18:24<tcsetattr>maybe you could ease up on the campaign to force peopel to type unnaturally long lines that don't allow for any conversational rhythm at all, for example this one which by the time I finish typing it and press enter you have no idea what I'm referring to
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18:25[~]JasonS hands stew a beer and sits back and watches
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18:25<ranix>tcsetattr: flooding is uncool
18:25<tcsetattr>IRC line length limit should be around 100 bytes, longer lines arepeople givins speeches instead of chatting.
18:25<ranix>tcsetattr: do you like it, really?
18:26<ranix>I mean, isn't it obnoxious?
18:26<tcsetattr>giving speeches that come half-a-screenful in one burst is obnoxious
18:26<JasonS>tcsetattr: so is one word and enter, one or two and enter etc etc
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18:26<ranix>tl;dr huh? Isn't that the same reason people don't read documentation
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18:27<tcsetattr>insisting that other people give speeches instead of using a natural rhythm is obnoxious squared
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18:27<JasonS>well if one doesnt like the rules one is free to travel elsewhere
18:27<ricky>If this is about pressing enter repeatedly in the middle of sentences....
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18:28<tcsetattr>the C in IRC stands for "Chat", not "Complete sentences" :)
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18:28<ranix>if using emoticons and several three word sentences is less obnoxious than typing a sentence with a proper subject and predicate, I'd rather be rude
18:28<JasonS>tcsetattr: bored tonight are you?
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18:29<tcsetattr>maybe you want to be on Internet Relay Filibuster
18:29<ranix>sometimes I can't tell if I'm trolling or being trolled
18:29<JasonS>ranix: being in this case i think
18:29<ranix>JasonS: thanks for clearing that up
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18:29<JasonS>thats what im here for :)
18:29<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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18:30<ranix>lol what
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18:30<Woet>phobos:/ircu2.10# dpkg -l build-essential | tail -1
18:30<Woet>ii build-essential 11.3 informational list of build-essential packages
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19:05<Atlantis>hi there
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19:12<Atlantis>I just wanted to say this is the easiest os i've ever used
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19:13<Atlantis>not to mention with a little customization it looks great :)
19:13<Atlantis>I'm highly impressed
19:13<Atlantis>and I've used many distros in the past
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19:14<oxymor00n>i use debian for more than 5 years now :)
19:14<Atlantis>I can see why
19:14[~]mtnman just found an old bootable 120 MB drive which boots to debian 3.1
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19:15<Atlantis>I was just doing a temp install, but it's a keeper lol
19:15<mtnman>i mean 1.3
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19:15<oxymor00n>3.1 was woody?
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19:15<oxymor00n>ah 1.3
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19:15<dpkg>well, hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998
19:15<dpkg>somebody said bo was Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia
19:16<oxymor00n>i started with woody
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19:21<litage>a friend experienced a power outage. he was unable to boot into 2.6.18, so he went into recovery mode and reinstalled the linux-image package. however, this error keeps occuring during kernel installation. what should we do?: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/...
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19:24<twb>A power outage shouldn't do that
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19:25<litage>twb: we can't be certain if the power outage caused it. however, we need to fix it
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19:25<ifvoid>it could have broken the disk
19:25<litage>when we run depmod with any one of -a , -u , -e ,it results in this error: depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
19:25<mcsniff>what do you mean by unable to boot
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19:26<litage>mcsniff: sec, we'll reboot and grab the error message(s)
19:26<Atlantis>"486 processor. 16MB RAM, VGA 2MB. Debian inside with SSH sever too slowly and 9" monitor ;-) "
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19:27<litage>when booting, this error occurs many times:
19:28<ben_goodger>oh, my god, it looks like the equivalent one of those injured cats you bludgeon to death to put it out of pain
19:28<litage>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory
19:28<litage>then it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." and just sits there
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19:28<ifvoid>litage: well, it seems the fs is fucked up
19:28<ifvoid>have you run fsck?
19:28<litage>ifvoid: not yet. which args would you recommend we run fsck with?
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19:29<ifvoid>just fsck /
19:29<ifvoid>or /dev/root
19:29<litage>ifvoid: /dev/root ??
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19:29<oxymor00n>maybe remount / ro before
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19:30<litage>ifvoid: ``fsck /'' results in "WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a moutned filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage."
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19:30<mcsniff>mount it ro
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19:31<oxymor00n>not sure if i get the syntax right, but should be something like mount -o remount,ro /
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19:31<mcsniff>oxymor00n: I think thats right
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19:32<oxymor00n>:) i'm not stupid! cool
19:32<zulu9>hi! is the gpl3 dfsg compatible?
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19:34<deb_usr>zulu9 : look at
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19:34<litage>ifvoid, oxymor00n: after remounting / as read-only, ``fsck /'' resulted in one question, which we answered yes to: Superblock last mount time is in the future. Fix<y>?
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19:35<zulu9>deb_usr: thanks. I will do so
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19:35<ifvoid>litage: so it seems the fs was indeed broken
19:35<deb_usr>zulu9 : no problem
19:35<ifvoid>litage: now just reinstall the kernel deb and it should be fine again
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19:35<litage>ifvoid: what's the significance of the question that fsck asked?
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19:37<ifvoid>it asked it it should fix the fs
19:37<litage>ifvoid: when reinstalling the kernel package, the exact same errors about unresolved symbols occured
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19:37<zulu9>deb_usr: this article is informative but kinda old tho. any news about it?
19:38<litage>ifvoid: just like before running fsck
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19:38<deb_usr>zulu9 :
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19:39<ifvoid>litage: you might have to reboot
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19:40<zulu9>deb_usr: thx. I know that one. does not say anything about the position of debian tho
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19:41<zulu9>so I guess debian is still checking and arguing about this issue
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19:41<deb_usr>zulu9 : yes i think so too ;-)
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19:42<zulu9>I just hope that gpl3 will be considered compatible. I'm no lawyer nor dev. but as a user it would be bad to not have gpl3 software (and I'm sure there will be a lot of it) in debian
19:42<oxymor00n>next emacs version will be gpl3
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19:42<Atlantis>anyone running debian unstable?
19:42<Atlantis>how is it?
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19:43<oxymor00n>fine. but you should get familiar with debian before you try it, it can and does break at times
19:43<zulu9>Atlantis: yes
19:43<litage>ifvoid: after fsck'ing and rebooting, reinstalling the kernel package resulted in the same errors again
19:43<Atlantis>ah alright...just tempted to try it
19:43<zulu9>it is exciting and new. unstable on updates sometimes
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19:43<zulu9>needs some care but is useable
19:43<ifvoid>litage: weird
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19:44<Atlantis>i might drop it in a partition
19:44<ifvoid>litage: it seems the fs is more severely broken then
19:44<ifvoid>litage: cna you try reinstalling module-init-tools?
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19:45<Atlantis>debian tatoo anyone haha
19:46<litage>ifvoid: what might that accomplish?
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19:47<mcsniff>litage: module install tools may be damaged
19:47<litage>mcsniff: ah gotcha
19:48<oxymor00n>Atlantis: a friend of mine has one too, but smaller
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19:48<Atlantis>nice :)
19:48<tcsetattr>QM_MODULES error is a sign you're using the modutils package (designed for pre-2.6 kernels) on a 2.6 kernel
19:48<oxymor00n>on the underarm
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19:48<Atlantis>looking good
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20:11<JasonS>ya thats not annoying broedje
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20:14<UnKnowN>Is it possible to route ip's to virtual servers, when there are dynamic arp tables in place to prevent me from using more than one mac for my ips
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20:14<burningphire>Hi. Why is it that whenever I do an apt-get install <package> that it requires me to insert the Debian CD? BTW, I used the 4.0r0 netinst iso to install Debian.
20:15<JasonS>burningphire: you need to set up your sources most likely to include those on the net and remove the cd one
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20:16<UnKnowN>Did I format my question wrong or something?
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20:16<burningphire>JasonS, thanks.
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20:17<JasonS>UnKnowN: patience is a must on irc
20:18<JasonS>lets see if i recall the bot trigger correctly
20:18<JasonS>!tell burningphire about sources
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20:19<klys_>ciao (bbl)
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20:22<udo>!tell udo about sources
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20:22<burningphire>Will iceweasel be updated to anytime soon? I don't see a bug report for a security update.
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20:24[~]JasonS puts broedje on /ignore
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20:24<ketone>about time for that really
20:25<ketone>i've got a 3-screen buffer of that rubbish
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20:28<ifvoid>what rubbish?
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20:29<JasonS>ifvoid: broedje join, quit, join, quit, join, quit, join, quit
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20:32<ifvoid>oh right
20:32<ifvoid>I'm ignoring join quit here
20:33<ifvoid>anyway, if there's an admin around, they can probably put a ban in place
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20:34<JasonS>they're all doing what i should be doing by now i suspect, catching up on the beauty sleep
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20:52<UnKnowN>-[JasonS]- So wait day :p
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20:56<deb_usr>i feel very sleepy !
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20:56<deb_usr>i think that it's time to go sleep ;-)
20:56<novinha>afim de tc?
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20:57<deb_usr>good night !
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20:58<inonooby>my probleme is to know how can i change the default mouse skin ??
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20:58<inonooby>im using sawfish
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20:59<juliocb>boa noite
20:59<juliocb>uma ajuda
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20:59<juliocb>alguem ja teve problemas de instalação do debian relacionadas a IRQ ?
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20:59<inonooby>so the default skin isn t so nice so i decided to change it but i can found where the default skin is instaled
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21:00<juliocb>chipset Intel Corporation P965/G965
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21:01<novinha>eu naum to entendendo nada
21:01<juliocb>é comigo novinha ?
21:01<novinha>o vc que me entende
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21:02<novinha>hum rum
21:02<juliocb>posso explicar meu problema ?
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21:02<novinha>eu quero aber que tipo de chat é
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21:03<juliocb>chat de ajuda on line para linux
21:03<novinha>todo mundo o fala ingle?
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21:03<juliocb>boa noite alguem poderia me ajudar a resolver um problema de instalação do debian ?
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21:05<novinha>julio e etalar echi negocio pra que?
21:05<novinha>me ajuda eu to perdida
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21:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:06<Apt_Quadruped>hi every1
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21:07<Apt_Quadruped>could some1 help me out with a problem that i'm having with iceweasel?
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21:08<inonooby>what preobem do u have ??
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21:10<inonooby>are u still here
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21:11<juliocb>anybosy can help me ?
21:11<juliocb>anybody can help me ?
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21:12<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:13<inonooby>i hear you
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21:13<inonooby>what is your probleme ??
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21:15<udo>gravity, they seemed to be portugueses
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21:16<udo>next time we can make !es !pt
21:16<inonooby>so what is your problem ??
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21:18<Atlantis>hey which is the sleekest version of compiz for debian/gnome
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21:21<oxymor00n>Atlantis: the latest one i guess, but there is some conflict with the libwnck in etch IIRC
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21:22<Atlantis>I'm asking because I see several like compiz-gtk and compiz-gnome
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21:22<Atlantis>also plain compiz
21:22<oxymor00n>compiz-gtk is the window-decorator i think
21:22<oxymor00n>for gtk
21:22<oxymor00n>compiz is the core. not sure what compiz-gnome is
21:24<Atlantis>there's compiz-core with opengL that's the one I meant to ask about
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21:24<Atlantis>I guess I could try a few and see which one works best
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21:25<oxymor00n>if you use gnome compiz-gnome is the best bet, it pulls in what you need
21:25<Atlantis>excellent I'll give it a try
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21:25<Atlantis>I've wanting to try the cube
21:26<oxymor00n>compiz is cute, but i'm using something else now
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21:26<Atlantis>what are you using?
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21:26<oxymor00n>xmonad, a minimalistic tiling-windowmanager
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21:27<Atlantis>interesting, well I can give that a try too :)
21:27<oxymor00n>it is not in debian, need to compile it yourself
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21:28<Atlantis>I'll check it out
21:29<Apt_Quadruped>hi every1, i'm having a lil trouble with iceweasel...
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21:29<Apt_Quadruped>when i try to apt-get install iceweasel, I get an error saying "iceweasel: Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but 2.2.1-6 is to be installed"
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21:32<oxymor00n>Apt_Quadruped: what are you running? sid? etch?
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21:32<blarson>Apt_Quadruped: Sounds like a mixed-release problem.
21:33<oxymor00n>yep it does
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21:34<Apt_Quadruped>so wut do u suggest?
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21:34<Apt_Quadruped>i'm running lenny
21:35<Apt_Quadruped>with the 2.6.21-2-amd64 kernel
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21:45<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: please provide the output of $ apt-cache policy libfreetype6
21:46<Apt_Quadruped> Installed: 2.2.1-6
21:46<Apt_Quadruped> Candidate: 2.2.1-6
21:46<Apt_Quadruped> Version table:
21:46<Apt_Quadruped> *** 2.2.1-6 0
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21:47<Apt_Quadruped>libfreetype6: Installed: 2.2.1-6 Candidate: 2.2.1-6 Version table: *** 2.2.1-6 0 500 lenny/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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21:48<blarson>Apt_Quadruped: libfreetype6 2.3.5-1+b1 should be available if your mirror is up to date.
21:48<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: when did you last update your packages index?
21:48<Apt_Quadruped>as in apt-get update?
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21:48<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: yes
21:48<Apt_Quadruped>just like 5 minutes ago
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21:49<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: did you notice any errors in the output?
21:49<Apt_Quadruped>just did it now... no errors
21:50<inonooby>hey where is the .Xdefault in debian plzz
21:50<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: if the output of apt-cache policy didn't change after your last update, please provide the output of # apt-get update; You can use a paster to avoid flooding.
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21:51<Apt_Quadruped>may i ask wut a paster is?
21:51<chealer>!tell Apt_Quadruped about paster
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21:52<oxymor00n>inonooby: hm. try ~/.Xresources
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21:53<inonooby>how can i change the cursor of X11
21:53<oxymor00n>have to reboot emacs, brb
21:53<inonooby>i have installed comix cursor
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21:53<Apt_Quadruped>ok i just pasted it up chealer
21:53<inonooby>i want to install it now but dont now how ??
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21:55<nichos>what package(s) do i need to build the kernel using menuconfig?
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21:56<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: please paste your sources.list
21:56<chealer>!tell nichos about kp
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21:57<inonooby>is no body here who can tell me where the ./Xdefault is ?
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22:01<tanjung>cure me
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22:01<gravity>inonooby: What?
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22:01<Apt_Quadruped>chealer is my sources list
22:01<gravity>inonooby: Or rather, what is it you're trying to do?
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22:07<chealer>Apt_Quadruped: when was your file for binary main sid in /var/lib/apt/lists/ last changed?
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22:23<jedi|w>im fairly new to debian, so this is a bit of anoob question. i installed it about 3-4 months ago, so i'm running 4.0 (etch i assume?). aptitude dist-upgrade is telling me i have 140 packages to upgrade - why is that, and is there any danger to letting it do its thing?
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22:26<chealer>jedi|w: it might be simply security updates. you can see which upgrades would take place with the -s switch and check whether these would be simply security updates.
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22:27<BobHartge>how long has etch been stable?
22:27<jedi|w>well, gcc, lots of libs etc. it doesnt look like simple upgrades
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22:27<jedi|w>no idea ;o
22:27<chealer>!tell BobHartge about etch
22:28<chealer>jedi|w: what's the candidate version for gcc?
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22:29<jedi|w>im running 3.3.5 though..
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22:29<jedi|w>oh wait, 3.3 is an upgrade, 4.1 is a new installed packae
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22:30<kevin>I recently moved my etch drives from one server to another identical server and am having problems with the network card. As far as I can tell the hardware is found and the correct module is loaded; however, whenever I try to bring the eth0 interface up I receive messages such as SIOCSIFADDR: No such device. Anybody have any ideas?
22:30<chealer>jedi|w: jedi|w which version (Debian) of gcc 3.3.5 do you have exactly?
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22:31<jedi|w>gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
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22:32<chealer>kevin: what kind of ideas? I think that simply indicates that your network card for eth0 is not present.
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22:34<chealer>jedi|w: huum. Debian 4.0 is etch, yes. which version of libc6 do you have?
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22:34<kevin>chealer: I am not that familiar with how the network interfaces are setup; however, I know the e100 module is loading for the NIC and is finding the PCI device/mac address and shows eth0 in the output.
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22:35<chealer>jedi|w: are you sure you're running Debian 4.0, and not Debian 3.1?
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22:36<chealer>kevin: ah, I see. this is a wild guess, but maybe eth0 is the preliminary interface name, and the interface is later renamed by udev.
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22:36<kevin>when loading the module, the last line shows: e100: eth0: e100-probe: addr 0xfa200000, irq 169, MAC addr xx:xx:etc
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22:36<jedi|w>well, /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, i have to assume its 4.0
22:37<jean> does anyone know of a video card that has triple heads that is very well supported. Or one dual head and one single head cards that are very well known to work
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22:37<chealer>jedi|w: please provide your sources.list
22:39<jedi|w>its only 3 lines - is that ok to paste?
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22:39<chealer>jedi|w: yes
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22:39<jedi|w>deb stable main non-free contrib
22:39<jedi|w>deb-src stable main non-free contrib
22:39<jedi|w>deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
22:40<chealer>jedi|w: when exactly did you install Debian?
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22:42<jedi|w>one sec
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22:43<jedi|w>april 5, give or take 3-4 days..
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22:44<jedi|w>well, the first kernel i compiled was april 3rd. so it was between april 1-3.
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22:46<kevin>chealer: thanks, that was the tip I was looking for. The udev rules still had the previous cards mac address renaming to eth0 and the new cards mac address as eth1, which neither worked since the the e100 module was attempting to use eth0. Back up and running. Thanks for the help.
22:47<chealer>jedi|w: that was before Debian 4.0 was released, so you must have installed Debian 3.1. how many packages are installed on your system?
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22:48<jedi|w>182 ish
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22:50<chealer>jedi|w: some of your packages are up-to-date but most aren't. dist-upgrade is proposing you to complete the upgrade to Etch.
22:50<jedi|w>i see
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22:51<jedi|w>i'll read the release notes on how to do it safely
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22:58<jedi|w>thanks for the help!
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23:37<UnKnowN>wow i never got an answer to my question, after i was told patience was key
23:37<UnKnowN>is there a better place to ask than here?
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23:41<klys>UnKnowN: try me
23:42<Supaplex>!tell UnKnowN -about ask
23:42<klys>I'm sure he's afk
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23:43<UnKnowN>now i am ;)
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23:43<UnKnowN>but the question was
23:43<klys>you know it ;)
23:43<UnKnowN>It's networking
23:44<klys>subnet masks?
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23:44<UnKnowN>its basically, how would i acomplish this thing, any means possiblke
23:44<UnKnowN>Well you see the datacenter enforces a dynamic arp table
23:44<UnKnowN>we are only allowed 1 MAC per customer to assign our allocated IP's
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23:44<UnKnowN>I have one physical server, and I wanted to setup my virtual machines to use individual ips to themselves
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23:45<klys>this has to do with network card drivers alreay
23:45<UnKnowN>i already solved that one ;p
23:45<chealer>!tell UnKnowN about enter
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23:46<UnKnowN>okay sorry about that, its my way of usually talking.
23:46<klys>communication is interaction
23:46<UnKnowN>But I want to find a way, to assign those extra Ip's I have to the virtual machines in the machine.
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23:47<UnKnowN>If at all possible with routing or a transparent bridge.
23:47<klys>you are MAC restricted. it is a hardware restriction. do you have another port or nic?
23:47<klys>you need a vpn?
23:48<UnKnowN>Well I have 4 v machines running
23:48<UnKnowN>I wanted to give each its own ip
23:48<klys>you want port forwarding?
23:48<UnKnowN>I was thinking of using maybe ebtables
23:48<UnKnowN>Or possibly I could use the method I use at home, PPPoE.
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23:49<klys>iptables is for port forwarding if you're using popular linux
23:49<UnKnowN>Having the server route them transparently.
23:49<UnKnowN>Okay, if that works, would it duplicate issues associated with routers and firewalls between the virtual machine and outer world?
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23:50[~]Supaplex stabs asn 14501
23:50<UnKnowN>That's my core concern, that it could be like having a dsl modem and a route in between.
23:50<klys>it's a wat to grant acess from a router to, say, port 80 on an internal network
23:50<blarson>UnKnowN: The ip command can be used to assign multiple addresses to one interface.
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23:51<UnKnowN>Yeah I already have them all assigned to the server, I just need to figure a way to route them, to my virtual servers
23:51<UnKnowN>It's vmware, if that helps any
23:51<Supaplex>vmware unneccessarily complicates many things
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23:51<UnKnowN>I know, but its something I know better than most.
23:52<klys>you're not in charge of routing here. the individual machines with IPs are. if they are running windows, there may be no good tool for port forwarding.
23:52<UnKnowN>I'm using centOS, and trying to setup debian v machines, since the provider refuses to support me installing debian
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23:53<Supaplex>UnKnowN: vserver or openvz :)
23:53<klys>to support, to allow or to maintain?
23:53<UnKnowN>maintain yes
23:53<UnKnowN>allow yes, help maintain/setup no
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23:53<klys>there should be no reason for vmware, I'll look up centos for you
23:54<UnKnowN>-[Supaplex]- so it would be easier to setup that thing im trying to accomplish, with vserver or openvz
23:54<UnKnowN>-[klys]- thx
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23:55<klys>this requires that your vpn be on a private network.
23:55<UnKnowN>Yeah I tried a few of those
23:55<UnKnowN>with pptp
23:55<klys>you can rewire it for a public network when you have hosting for it
23:55<UnKnowN>I also tried setting up one with iptables, and poptop
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23:56<UnKnowN>I don't understand klys
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23:56<dpkg>hmm... mutt is the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux ( or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out, or more Free than pine
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23:56<UnKnowN>look there?
23:57<klys>take a machine with hosting for the extra IP you want at your datacenter. does the operating system available on it understand your need for hosting, or only debian? you are not well understood by your sysadmin either
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23:58<klys>you probably wanted an ip aliasing setup in centos. your sysadmin has disallowed that,
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23:58<UnKnowN>I was very well understood, they straight up told me, "We will no longer assist any issues associated with you're customizations to your server envirorment, including the issues involved with Debian, and --"
23:58<UnKnowN>The only barrier I have, is the Dynamic ARP table, and thats it.
23:59<klys>and now you must find a public or reachable ip that you can connect to your port
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23:59<UnKnowN>Are you talking about the ip assigned to eth0 currently?
23:59<klys>the barrier for me was clear when you said it
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