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---Logopened Wed Aug 01 00:00:00 2007
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00:00<plm156>can the debian installer install in a 200mb hard disk ?
00:00<plm156>the lastest one
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00:00<UnKnowN>So it's something I gotta figure for myself?
00:01<blarson>plm156: I think it needs a gig. 480mb wasn't enough for one of the sarge testing releases.
00:01<UnKnowN>I mean that's fine, I'll just make a howto for other people when I'm done then ;p
00:01<UnKnowN>oh klys
00:01<UnKnowN>if that simplifys anything?
00:01<klys>the router does not have a reachable configuration utility other than further petitions to your treasonable sysadmin. so, you cannot change the policy
00:02<plm156>blarson, i am talking for the netinst version here . i think needs less (around 300mb)
00:02<UnKnowN>I could ask, hold on let me call them.
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00:02<plm156>of course a test will help me
00:03<blarson>plm156: That was sparc, and they may have trimmed it down some.
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00:03<klys>UnKnowN: what you want from them is IP aliasing.
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00:03<UnKnowN>So I tell them that
00:04<klys>have you ever done this: ifconfig eth0:1
00:04<UnKnowN>yea ;)
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00:04<UnKnowN>i've done so much, I've actually broken a few things before
00:04<UnKnowN>I came here one day and accomplished it
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00:04<UnKnowN>But I basically broke IP standard, and many things stopped functioning as they should
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00:06<klys>the ipv4 standard is generally only broken with unworkable hardware or hacked source.
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00:06<plm156>blarson, we are talking for this yes ?
00:06<UnKnowN>mac spoofing
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00:07<klys>if your sysadmin is a slave to his router configuration, like some are, he won't allow ip aliasing.
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00:08<UnKnowN>klys you are aware i have root permissions to this server right?
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00:08<klys>is some op available for a temp ban request?
00:09<klys>anyway, I know you have your own server on this network, but you sound like you're going through backdoor thinking when it comes to your router,
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00:09<UnKnowN>Or w/e it is, it's annoying as hell, when I try getting things to work.
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00:09<klys>which doesn't sound like it can get you what you want.
00:09<UnKnowN>And how uncooperative they are when I want something to work.
00:09<blarson>plm156: I don't realy know the current requirements on i386.
00:09<UnKnowN>Yeah, you wanna know something funny.
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00:09<UnKnowN>I told them about my plans to startup some virtual systems, a month later they start a dynamic arp table
00:10<UnKnowN>All my virtual machines stopped working.
00:10<UnKnowN>they want to know what ip aliasing is.
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00:11<klys>tell them to read about it in the kernel docs.
00:11<klys>it's a function of linux networking.
00:11<klys>part of ipv4.
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00:11<klys>that's the info I might have for them.
00:12<UnKnowN>well wait why would it be around therfe
00:12<UnKnowN>That's a kernel thing, I can fix those things myself.
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00:12<klys>no, not with your network.
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00:12<klys>if you're making a petition, do it right.
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00:12<UnKnowN>So are you saying I can do all of this on the machine I'm currently on, client-side, or you talking network-side routers a infrasticture
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00:13<klys>no, you're thinking backwards if you thought I would send you to petition the sysadmin for something that you could solve.
00:13[~]Supaplex nudges knoppix_ off balance
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00:14<klys>you want hosting. server
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00:14<live-cd>now is ok ?
00:14<klys>does youe server ned a new IP? get with it
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00:14<UnKnowN>I have a dedicated server, I want the vmware machines I have there to have there own ips.
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00:15<UnKnowN>I got 5 ip's
00:15<UnKnowN>All are assigned to my interfaces right now.
00:15<Supaplex>UnKnowN: so you want them to use bridging, right?
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00:15<UnKnowN>-[Supaplex]- You always get my issues dont u XD
00:15<Supaplex>I've used vmware quite a bit. I use it far less now that I'm using vserver+openvz
00:16<UnKnowN>I wonder
00:16<klys>you have 5 local ips.
00:16<UnKnowN>klys if u followed that link
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00:16<UnKnowN>I had a nice table to describe what I was trying to do
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00:17<UnKnowN>Supaplex u looked at that link right?
00:17<Supaplex>what link
00:17<UnKnowN>here i'll notice u it
00:17<UnKnowN>i dont want my public ip's floating around
00:18<klys>see, it looks like you've got them all in and they're responding
00:18<UnKnowN>thats okay with u right?
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00:18<UnKnowN>But they all goto the physical machine, they need to reach the virtual machine
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00:19<UnKnowN>and the virtual machine needs to understand its ip, is the one its receiving not a private ip.
00:19<klys>so, route. iptables
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00:19<UnKnowN>a few issues there are they dont respond
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00:20<UnKnowN>It could be that I didn't set it up right, but I'm thinking it might be a limitation of what I was doing.
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00:20<klys>your virtual interface will not be a public ip
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00:21<UnKnowN>That's why I was thinking of PPPoE for this, cause it can route itself very effectively.
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00:21<Supaplex>UnKnowN: so is this a vmware+iptables issue?
00:21<UnKnowN>I guess
00:21<Supaplex>or just vmware+bridging?
00:21<klys>you can configure it in the virtual machine as a private ip and as long as it is routed this is all you want
00:21<UnKnowN>Right now its working with nat
00:21<UnKnowN>and iptables
00:21<Supaplex>if it's +iptables, this is the type of thing vmware charges money for. why? well, it's their critter. they know how it works. If only they gave us the code ;) What I'm really saying is, check out their support forums/documentation/etc for firewalling issues.
00:22<Supaplex>my guests have sufficent firewalls to run on their own :)
00:22<klys>do iptables
00:22<UnKnowN>how do i clear my existing iptables configs
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00:22<UnKnowN>So I can start fresh
00:22<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
00:23<Supaplex>iptables -F (per table, eg iptables -t nat -F)
00:23<UnKnowN>How do I know where tables are :S
00:23<UnKnowN>Is there a list command?
00:23<klys>iptables -t nat -L
00:23<Supaplex>iptables-save | less
00:24<UnKnowN>ill use that one
00:24<Supaplex>if the host has the interfaces bound, it's not going to play well with the guest...
00:24<Supaplex>well, interface+ip.
00:24<UnKnowN>so should i drop all the other 4 ips
00:25<Supaplex>unless the host is using the ip, drop it.
00:25<UnKnowN>ill take down the machines
00:25<klys>the guest has no representation of the interface you have bound to your public addresses
00:25<UnKnowN>thats easier ;)
00:25<Supaplex>your ifconfig might be normal if you were using vserver, but that's not the case. :)
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00:26<UnKnowN>ugh u make me feel bad Supaplex
00:26<UnKnowN>so take them out of eth0:1 and above?
00:26<UnKnowN>or leave that alone?
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00:26<Supaplex>I would ifdown them one by one, and edit your /etc/network/interfaces afterwards.
00:27<klys>use the aliases for the public ips, and use the virtual device for wach private one
00:27<UnKnowN>they aren't auto bound that way, this server been up for 9 days ;)
00:27<Supaplex>ps, ifdown eth0 will down more than just eth0. :P
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00:27<UnKnowN>I just saw that :S
00:28<UnKnowN>its fine i typed --help first
00:28<UnKnowN>How do I drop virtual interfaces?
00:28<klys>add them to /etc/network/interfaces
00:28<Supaplex>ifconfig eth0:xxxx
00:28<UnKnowN>i did it
00:28<klys>ifconfig -a
00:29<UnKnowN>its ifconfig eth0:1 down
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00:29<blarson>UnKnowN: use ip . much more capable than ifconfig.
00:29<UnKnowN>looks more simple and easy to understand i have to say ;)
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00:29[~]klys uses ifconfig, it's the kernel
00:29<UnKnowN>yea and i use ifconfig way more, and already understand most of its
00:30<UnKnowN>Okay step 2...
00:30<UnKnowN>drop iptables entries
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00:31<UnKnowN>Does that look good?
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00:32[~]Supaplex kicks said host "Resolve already!"
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00:33<klys>route -n ; name your interfaces
00:33<UnKnowN>k hold on
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00:35<klys>do you need say, vmnet1 vmnet2 vmnet3 vmnet4
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00:36<UnKnowN>well thats vmware
00:36<UnKnowN>u want me to setup more, or you just asking why?
00:36<klys>it would be a private pointopoint network for each virtual interface
00:37<UnKnowN>They can all route through vmnet8
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00:38<klys>you then route each ip to its corresponding port provider
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00:39<UnKnowN>Ugh I'm dumb founded
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00:40<Eth1c>Anyone who can give me a bit of advice?
00:40<dpkg>You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See
00:40<klys>you need a reachable interface for each vm
00:40<klys>not eth0
00:40<UnKnowN>eth0 -- > vmnet8 -- > guest
00:40<UnKnowN>vice versa
00:40<klys>not that easy
00:40<UnKnowN>i know
00:40<UnKnowN>i wish it was :(
00:40<klys>they are individual
00:41<live-cd>Hello who know the live-cd kealle on knoppix ?
00:41<UnKnowN>hold on
00:41<UnKnowN>so make 4 more
00:41<UnKnowN>or 3 more*
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00:43<UnKnowN>so make vmnet2, vmnet3, vmnet4
00:43<Eth1c>lol, mmkay UnKnowN, can i ask a qeusiotn?
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00:44<Eth1c>btw that is so true about WoW :|
00:44<chealer>live-cd: what do you mean by "kealle"?
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00:44<klys>usually you can unless it's too unrelated or self-contradicting
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00:45<DarkSun88>Hi all
00:45<live-cd>erf sorry chealer Live-cd is in French, but it's me that we can boot on by cd without install
00:45<Eth1c>Meh, highly related i sopose,.. perhaps i should ask and let you be the judge haha
00:45<Eth1c>Is debian, nice for a "noob" in some sence.. to learn on?
00:45<live-cd>I don't know what is the word in English to say "livd-cd"
00:45<chealer>live-cd: I don't understand
00:45<klys>depends on how you get it in the first place
00:46<live-cd>it's me = it's mean
00:46<klys>if you have to hack the debian-installer like I did, stay online and talk about what you're doing
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00:46<chealer>live-cd: LiveCD is an English word, I understand that. I don't understand what you meant by "kealle".
00:46<live-cd>chealer, like mandriva-one, we can boot on without install
00:47<klys>the debian-installer has no editor, only bash and sed
00:47<live-cd>ahhh sorry
00:47<chealer>live-cd: you must mean "it means" or "I mean"
00:47<live-cd>chealer, Kaella = live-cd (knoopix = English, kaella = French)
00:47<chealer>Eth1c: yes
00:48<Eth1c>ty :)
00:48<chealer>live-cd: ah, kaella, OK. I don't know kaella.
00:48<klys>probably cd-key
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00:49<klys>er, I think he's looking for an iso
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00:51[~]klys lays low
00:51<live-cd>but it doesn't matter. chealer I tryed to boot on because it is in French but I not able. and I don't know why :(
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00:52<Eth1c>chealer, mind if i send you a tell?
00:52<chealer>Eth1c: a factoid? no
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00:54<gustavo>hello, can someone help me with vsftpd? I'm trying to set up a vsftpd server behind a cable modem and a router. I did the NAT on port 21000 but ppl from internet cant find my server. Anyway, it logs the attempt.
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01:00<mcsniff>gustavo: you need at least port 21, ftp can be difficult with firewalls
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01:03<gustavo>mcsniff: but my cabel operator seems to do not allow connections on 21
01:03<gustavo>mcsniff: thats why i set it to 21000
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01:04<Alk3>what program is good for memory quotas?
01:06<mcsniff>gustavo: I assume you have forwarded port 21000 on the router to your ftp server?
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01:07<gustavo>mcsniff: yes, sure. Through NAT
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01:08<Alk3>what program is good for memory quotas? trying to set up limitted RAM usage per user
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01:10<jm_>gustavo: FTP uses two ports
01:10<mcsniff>gustavo: well I would expect you to be able to connect atleast, just not be able to do anything without other ports
01:11<gustavo>jm_: i know, but how do i change its ports? by enabling PASV?
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01:11<mcsniff>the client can change to pasv with the pasv command (from memory)
01:12<jm_>gustavo: you can't force the client to use that, plus with passive, you'd have to forward a range of ports
01:13<gustavo>jm_: yes, thats what i would like to try ;P
01:13<gustavo>jm_ and mcsniff: maybe it has something to do with connect_from_port_20?
01:13<jm_>gustavo: you mean in active mode?
01:14<gustavo>jm_ yes
01:16<jm_>gustavo: vsftpd doesn't use port 20 for connections by default
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01:24<jm_>gustavo: but sample config file enables it so I think it's the default in Debian
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01:25<gustavo>jm_ really. can you please try to connect: ftp://anonymous@ ?
01:25<jm_>gustavo: not now, I'm at work
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01:26<gustavo>jm_ k, thanks
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01:26<jm_>gustavo: you can try setting connect_from_port_20 to NO, and then use passive mode
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01:26<gustavo>Eth1c: yes?
01:26<Eth1c>No permission
01:27<gustavo>Eth1c: you're trying as "anon", please try "anonymous"
01:28<gustavo>Eth1c: maybe using the ftp on shell you can connect as anonymous
01:28<Eth1c>yeah i tried, error details 200, 500, 500
01:28<Eth1c>this pc is on windows atm, perhaps thats why?
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01:33<Eth1c>Anyone know what would happen if i tried burning a iso on a dvd-r with a cd burner that dont sopport dvd? cus i cant find any damn cd-r's...
01:34<jm_>it will fail
01:34<stew>Eth1c: wodim would exit with somd kind of 'no media found' error
01:34<jm_>because your drive will reject the media
01:34<Eth1c>thought so =\
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01:43<Eth1c>ahaha! i think i found one
01:45<Eth1c>mmkay, now i shall be attempting a network install
01:48<Eth1c>lol @ "Configuring connection with DHCP - This may take a few minitues" done in 5 seconds o_O
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01:50<Eth1c>Okay question
01:50<Eth1c>Use entire disk/Dust and set up LVM/disk and set up encrypted lvm
01:50<Eth1c>which one?
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01:51<inonooby>hey all
01:51<inonooby>i mount a ntfs extern hard disk but i can get on as a user
01:52<inonooby>look at my commad pllz
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01:52<inonooby>mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb/ -t ntfs
01:52<inonooby>what ist wrong why can t i have acces as a normal user ??
01:54<jm_>man mount, read ntfs related options
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01:55<inonooby>there is a option umask=
01:55<inonooby>what are the value
01:56<inonooby>can some one explain
01:56<inonooby>i know i need the octect value
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01:57<c7a7uk>Hey, how can I resolve the dependency of by Audacity in order to export as MP3?
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01:59<dpkg>ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish.
01:59<dpkg>i guess ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs>
01:59<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see for release status. Read the FAQ at, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports)
02:00<Eth1c>"Erasing data on IDE1 master, partition #5 (hda5)...... 5%...
02:00<Eth1c>guess its time for hot chocolate and a movie
02:00<jm_>!tell c7a7uk -about msg
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02:04<imbruce>help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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02:06<jm_>imbruce: that's possible in icewm, not sure about other window managers
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02:16<imbruce> help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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02:19<Eth1c>who thought id hate having a 500 gig hard drive..
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02:21<imbruce>say help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
02:21<imbruce>help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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02:22<c7a7uk>Do you have any idea why there would be a package for a keyring when users can just use gpg/apt-key?
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02:23<jm_>keyring packages actually include the keys themselves
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02:28<c7a7uk>but it still issues apt-key?
02:32<jm_>it issues apt-key update AFAIK
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02:42<kirikaza>Good day, people!
02:43<kirikaza>Can I get help here? I have trouble with KDM (KDE Display Manager)...
02:44<tralala>you can start by defining "trouble"
02:45<kirikaza>I tried to use KDM instead of GDM (Gnome DM).
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02:46<kirikaza>And all symbols in the KDE and in some KDE applications were very-very small.
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02:47<c7a7uk>Eth1c: % ?
02:48<kirikaza>I checked installed fonts -- all right, they're 10px. But really the look like 4 or 5 px.
02:48<tralala>kirikaza, and if you use GDM to start KDE the problem is not there?
02:49<kirikaza>Yes! I return back GDM today -- and the problem disappeared!
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02:50<jm_>check how X server is started in both instances, especially xdpyinfo|grep resolut
02:51<kirikaza>Yes, I can use GDM, of course, but It's interesting...Is it a bag or a my curve hands. :)
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02:54<tralala>It's hardly a bag
02:55<tralala>what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
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02:56<kirikaza>Etch x86.
02:56<kirikaza>I'll restart X now...
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03:00<Supaplex>so much for screen+irssi :P
03:01<arinomi>What do you mean?
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03:04<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
03:05<Supaplex>nm, he must be happy.
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03:09<kirikaza>tralala: Hum... xpdyinfo under GDM says 96x96 and under KDM says "unable to open display :0.0"
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04:07<sheldonh>how do i find out if the pkg-zenoss alioth project has work-in-progress packages i can try out?
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04:11<petemc>someone blogged about having working debs for zenoss, but i couldnt find them
04:12<sheldonh>petemc: yeah, i'm on the same trail. i've mailed bernd to ask (the blog's author)
04:13<petemc>keep me in the loop, if you dont mind..
04:13<sheldonh>petemc: but maybe alioth has a public svn feature and i could find the stuffed burried in there :)
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04:22<jon_>hello everyone
04:23<jon_>i cant seem to remember the command to install another kernel
04:23<petemc>aptitude install linux-kernel-foo
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04:23<jon_>i'm in the debian net-install (with the CD) and it was something with: apt-install
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04:24<jon_>so its gotta be apt-install linux-kernel-[version]
04:24<tupa>aptitude install does the same job as apt-get install
04:24<jon_>(last time it worked with apt-install)
04:25<petemc>i doubt it
04:25<jon_>yeah, but apt-get isnt there on the installation kernel...
04:25<jon_>well, i'm installing debian
04:25<jon_>and press alt-f2
04:25<jon_>so i get a command line
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04:25<tupa>apt-get it's not in the kernel, it is an application
04:25<jon_>yeah, thats what i mean
04:25<jon_>its not there anyway
04:26<petemc>what are you talking about?
04:26<jon_>during the installation, alt-f2, and use apt-install, because apt-get isnt working (not installed)
04:26<tupa>I guess ALT+F2 are for boot options, not a command line shell
04:26<jon_>it worked last time
04:26<jm_>no it didn't
04:26<jon_>oh yes it did
04:26<petemc>you're confused
04:26<jon_>ive got the chat history on my laptop (cahoot told me)
04:27<jon_>but my laptop isnt here :)
04:27<jon_>so i figured i could ask again
04:28<tupa>jon_ what are you trying to do?
04:28<jm_>he's trying to confuse us
04:28<jon_>what jm_ said...
04:28<jon_>i'm trying to install a kernel before the grub is configured
04:29<jon_>so its gotta be during the installation
04:29<jm_>installer handles that
04:29<jon_>i know
04:30<jon_>but it installs the wrong kernel :S
04:30<tupa>doh ?
04:30<jon_>listn... you dont need to come up with different solutions, i just want to remember the command...
04:32<tupa>petemc_ already told you
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04:33<jon_>its apt-install linux-image-[version]
04:33<jon_>thanks guys
04:33<jm_>naah that won't work while installing Debian
04:33<jon_>it allready did once
04:33<jm_>(aptitude install solution that is)
04:33<larsus>jon_: so you want to apt with no apt and no running system
04:33<jon_>i'll come back with you guys when i'm done
04:33<tupa>larsus, right :p
04:33<jm_>yes, I am talking about previously suggested command
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04:34<Schoolkin>W. T. F. ?
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04:37<Woet>Im trying to install IRCU
04:37<Woet>But it gives errors
04:37<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
04:38<jm_>!b-e Woet
04:38<dpkg>Woet: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
04:38<Woet>I did that already
04:38<jm_>besides, ircu is packaged
04:38<Woet>The old version is packaged
04:38<Woet>I just used CVS to get the latest
04:38<Woet>And i do got build-essential
04:38<jm_>you feel confident using something from CVS but you have no idea how to fix configure errors?
04:39<Woet>well.. i have no idea what cvs was
04:40<Woet>but apt-get install ircd-ircu gives me a very buggy and outdated version
04:40<Woet>and somebody said I should use CVS
04:40<Woet>so I did.
04:40<JasonS>Woet: i doubt very much its buggy, out of date perhaps though
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04:41<Woet>I dont like that.
04:43<jMCg>Woet: either put Jurian on ignore or events in general.
04:44<Woet>Jurian is my collegea
04:44<Woet>he pointed me out that bug
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04:44<Woet>I see no reason glining everyone who does that, except of just updating to the newest version
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04:44<JasonS>ignore part, joins?
04:45<Woet>.. you really think that's the best sollution?
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04:47<JasonS>Woet: well if you got that from debian and its in stable they apparently don't think its worthy of an update so you have a couple of options as i see them, 1. don't run an irc server (my personal choice) 2. backports if its there
04:47<Woet>3. maybe its outdated?
04:47<jm_>or figure out the error from configure
04:48<JasonS>Woet: do you understand how debian works its releases?
04:48<JasonS>3. what jm_ said
04:48<Woet>im trying to figure out.. thats why im asking
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04:49<JasonS>stable is frozen and only gets security updates and isn't the latest and greatest but roughly 2ish years old
04:49<JasonS>all this is of course on debians website
04:51<Woet>its wrong of having installed stablew?
04:51<jm_>not quite
04:51<JasonS>quite the contrary
04:52<Woet>how do i go to testing?
04:52<dpkg>Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
04:53<Eth1c>Anyone mind taking a second to help a noob o_O
04:53<tupa>!tell Eth1c about ask
04:54<Eth1c>meh, so first time using debian.. or any other non windows OS for that matter
04:54<tupa>Woet, what dpkg said is for you
04:54<Woet>i know
04:54<tupa>ah ok :P
04:54<Woet>everything is lenny already
04:54<Eth1c>and i downloaded, Opera, the browser... and clueless to what to do with what ive downloaded o_O
04:54<Woet>that is my sources.listr
04:54<Woet>.list *
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04:55<JasonS>then it appears that you are on testing
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04:55<Woet>oops :)
04:55<Woet>but is my sources.list ok?
04:55<JasonS>all though i see non-free isnt there but to each thier own
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04:56<tupa>Eth1c there is an opera repository so you don't have to compile
04:56<jm_>Eth1c: what did you download?
04:56<tupa>!opera apt
04:56<Woet>is it ok?
04:57<bcochofel>What program can I use under etch to share my desktop using vnc?
04:57<tupa>Woet looks like it, append contrib and non-free to the first 2 lines if you want to have all the packages
04:58<Woet>I just want testing so i can download the latest ircu..
04:58<Woet>so is it ok?
04:58<petemc>bcochofel: rfb or x11vnc allow you to export the running desktop
04:58<bcochofel>petemc: rfb is kde, right?
04:58<Woet>its saved
04:59<Woet>and now?
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04:59<Woet>dist-upgrade ?
04:59<bcochofel>petemc: wich one is the best? Or at least the one that offers more options and takes less to install?
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04:59<jm_>bcochofel: apt-cache search vnc
04:59<Woet>phobos:/# dist-upgrade
04:59<Woet>-bash: dist-upgrade: command not found
04:59<tupa>Woet apt-get update && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
05:00<Woet>all on 1 line?
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05:00<tupa>separately if you want
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05:00<Woet>phobos:/# apt-get update && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
05:00<Woet>now its done i guesS?
05:01<Woet>phobos:/# dist-upgrade
05:01<Woet>-bash: dist-upgrade: command not found
05:01<bcochofel>petemc: I don't see rfb on apt-cache search vnc
05:01<petemc>bcochofel: perhaps its been removed, its been a while since i used it
05:02<petemc>bcochofel: do what jm_ said
05:02<Woet>it didnt download apt-get dist-upgrade
05:02<Woet>so im doing that separately now
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05:04<tupa>bcochofel, grepped output: krfb - Desktop Sharing for KDE
05:04<bcochofel>tupa: that's why I've asked if it was kde
05:05<tupa>well, learning how to use grep is a great advantage
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05:06<arinomi>Is Metacity default for Gnome?
05:06<petemc>bcochofel: there was a package called rfb which wasnt kde based
05:07<bcochofel>petemc: I got that, thx. But I only have krfb
05:07<bcochofel>petemc: now I have to learn how to use x11vnc. It doesn't seen too hard
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05:08<tupa>bcochofel, are you sharing a windows desktop?
05:10<bcochofel>tupa: nop. For that I use realvnc
05:11<tralala>using x11vnc is as easy as starting it
05:12<tupa>I will keep it in mind, I wanted to share some desktops using both linux and windows
05:12<tupa>I've just done sshx
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05:13<Eth1c>How come when i make a link for opera and bring it to my desktop, when i run it it does nothing?
05:14<arinomi>cause Opera sucks :P
05:14<cahoot>Eth1c, invalid syntax?
05:15<Eth1c>meh.. i just got alottt of getting used to i sopose..
05:16<Eth1c>What irc client is sugguested for debian? Xchat?
05:16<tupa>Eth1c whatever you like
05:17<arinomi>Eth1c: Irssi :)
05:17<sep>Eth1c, i like xchat
05:17<sep>Eth1c, try a few and find out witch you like :)
05:18<Eth1c>mmkay :P, "i like the built in irc in opera.." *watches as they all pull out crucifix's
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05:23<arinomi>May the Source protect me from this one pure Evil *mumbles
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05:24<Eth1c>lol... i just hit "Alt+Ctrl+Del" to notice it does nothing.. laugh at me people.
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05:26<jens-der-held>is it a bug if i cant apt-get install g++ (etch)
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05:28<tupa>jens_der_held bugs happen, but probably not, what error does it give you?
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05:28<jens-der-held>there is no package
05:28<Eth1c>is there a way to full screen this "Totem mozilla plugin" ?
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05:29<jens-der-held>but i've looked at the website and there is g++ in stable (etch)
05:29<arinomi>jens-der-held: I installed it without a problem. Try googling it and see if you can install it in some other way
05:29<C>Hi, can anyone help me with Iptable rules for OpenVPN?
05:29<tupa>jens_der-held, did you checked it it is in main?
05:30<jm_>apt-get can print an URL for things it tries to download, then there's apt-cache policy
05:30<jens-der-held>i 've all contrib an non-free for java but no g++
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05:31<tupa><jens-der-held> did you do apt-get update, and then apt-cache search g++ ?
05:32<bcochofel>tralala: ok, can I start it auto on boot?
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05:33<jens-der-held>i found it but aptitude does not list it
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05:33<tralala>bcochofel, it needs a running X, you can use your WM's autostart feature
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05:34<bcochofel>tralala: then I can only use it when I'm logon? Or can I start it when I start X11?
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05:35<jens-der-held>*hmm* who has changed the search angine in aptitude why need i to escape g++ to find it ?
05:36<tralala>bcochofel, x11vnc shares a running desktop, if you're not logged on there isn't a running desktop to be shared, is there?
05:37<bcochofel>tralala: I was hopping to share a running X11. Then I can logon remotely
05:37<tralala>jens-der-held, aptitude has been using regexp search for ages
05:37<tralala>bcochofel, you can do that as well but not with x11vnc
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05:38<jens-der-held>but i'm using sid, lenny too and they found g++
05:38<lindab50>I have recently installed etch
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05:38<bcochofel>tralala: can you tell me what prg to use?
05:38<Woet>I just installed dist-upgrade
05:38<Woet>but dist-upgrade still returns error
05:38<Woet>phobos:/# dist-upgrade
05:38<Woet>-bash: dist-upgrade: command not found
05:38<lindab50>The problem I face is, apt nods about untrusted sources from main packages
05:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 306] by debhelper
05:39<lindab50>I have key
05:39<lindab50>pub 1024D/ADB11277 2006-09-17
05:39<lindab50>uid Etch Stable Release Key <>
05:39<lindab50>+ 2 other Automatic Signing Key
05:40<Woet>[12:39:22] <Woet> I just installed dist-upgrade
05:40<Woet>[12:39:28] <Woet> but dist-upgrade still returns error
05:40<Woet>[12:39:33] <Woet> phobos:/# dist-upgrade
05:40<Woet>[12:39:33] <Woet> -bash: dist-upgrade: command not found
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05:40<arinomi>Does aMSN tell me if someone adds me to their contact list?
05:40<lindab50>I have tried to install debian-keyring but no help
05:40<tralala>bcochofel, configure your DM to allow xdmcp and X to listen for tcp connections. For internet connection you'll want an ssh tunnel.
05:40<lindab50>where can I get the updated key?
05:40<bcochofel>tralala: thx
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05:41<Woet>[12:39:22] <Woet> I just installed dist-upgrade
05:41<Woet>[12:39:28] <Woet> but dist-upgrade still returns error
05:41<Woet>[12:39:33] <Woet> phobos:/# dist-upgrade
05:41<Woet>[12:39:33] <Woet> -bash: dist-upgrade: command not found
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05:41<lindab50>btw howtos mention "debian-archive-keyring", but etch does not have any such package
05:41<petemc>Woet: stop doing that
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05:43<tupa>Woet, because dist-upgrade is not an application -_-
05:43<Woet>how do i check my debian version?
05:43<tupa>Woet: apt-get dist-upgrade
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05:44<Woet>i got lenny
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05:45<lindab50>Woet more /etc/apt/sources.list and you will see what repo you are using
05:45<Woet>Kernel Version 2.6.18-4-486
05:45<Woet>Distro Name Debian lenny/sid
05:45<Woet>i got it.
05:45<Woet>now lets install ircu
05:46<Cav>can anyone help me with openVPN?
05:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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05:47<Woet>(Reading database ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
05:47<alex__>Woet, RTFM
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05:47<jm_>lindab50: of course Etch has that package
05:48<lindab50>jm_: sorry I am blind
05:48<lindab50>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
05:48<lindab50>Reading package lists... Done
05:48<lindab50>Building dependency tree... Done
05:48<lindab50>debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
05:48<lindab50>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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05:48<lindab50>oops sorry
05:48<Woet>There isnt a fucking package for IRCD-IRCU
05:48<Woet>You told me that testing would have the latest
05:48<Woet>But it still has the same as stablehas
05:48<arinomi>How often does a new Debian version come out?
05:48<Woet>stable has *
05:49<lindab50>jm_: but still ie gcc is "untrusted" application
05:49<jm_>lindab50: run apt-get update
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05:50<lindab50>jm_ did it today, to fix "file" vuln
05:50<lindab50>so rep is updated
05:51<larsus>wow, Woet, easy
05:51<Woet>You giving me like 20 thigns to do.. and all 20 give errors
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05:52<Woet>i go to testing like you said, i wait 30 minuts, and it still isnt working
05:52<lindab50>_jm: wow it helped, but nothing was updated!
05:52<jm_>lindab50: yes
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05:53<lindab50>jm_: thnak you
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05:53<jm_>lindab50: no worries
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05:57<alex__>Woet, did you add testing/stable to sources.list?
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05:58<alex__>how are you searching for ircd-ircu?
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05:58<jens-der-held>Woet, apt-get install ircd-ircu does not work?
05:58<Woet>and it STILL gives a wrong version
05:58<Woet>I want the latest!
05:59<alex__>Woet, download it and compile from source then
05:59<jens-der-held>Woet, is in unstable sid
05:59<Woet>I tried before..
05:59<Woet>gave errors to
05:59<Woet>2.10.12 isnt unstable
05:59<Woet>Current Release: ircu2.10.12.10 [release notes]
05:59<Woet>Required Release: ircu2.10.12.09 [release notes]
06:00<formorer>then you have to compile it on your own
06:00<jens-der-held>searching at ?
06:00<Woet>I TRIED.
06:00<Woet>But it gives errors
06:00<alex__>Woet, what are the errors the
06:00<formorer>Woet: fix the errors and try again
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06:01<jens-der-held>try apt-get build-dep ircd-ircu
06:01<formorer>jens-der-held: useless tip
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06:01<alex__>Woet, what are the errors then? paste them too:
06:01<Woet>E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.surfnet.nl_os_Linux_distr_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
06:01<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
06:02<alex__>Woet, are you using su?
06:02<Woet>no idea
06:02<Woet>i just installed lenny
06:02<ifvoid>Woet: run apt-get update
06:03<tralala>dpkg, what do you know!
06:04<arinomi>Woet: type "su -" and type the root password. Then you will be root for that session
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06:04<Woet>apt-get update is still busy
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06:05<arinomi>Just a tip :=
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06:28<sheldonh>woohooo! "NMI received for unknown reason" on a hosted intel server. just what i need to aid digestion of my lunch :/
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06:41<dun>When I boot, my kernel detects my nforce network hardware as eth0, however, something renames it to eth1. I originally had eth1394 in the kernel and that gave me eth0 for 1394 and eth1 was my nforce. I removed eth1394 and eth0 still gets named to eth1. ifconfig yells that it failed to configure eth1 but it turns out that it has managed to configure it. Any ideas?
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06:42<cahoot>dun, I'd look at z25_persistent-net.rules in /etc/udev/udev.d
06:42<cahoot>err rules.d
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06:44<dun>cheers I'll look at it
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06:46<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
06:47<dun>cahoot: Thanks! It was associating eth1 with the MAC address.
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06:48<Woet>[13:47:14] <Woet> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
06:48<Woet>[13:47:27] <Woet> ??
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06:49<cahoot>build-essential is installed?
06:50<cahoot>a look at config.log might be elucidating
06:51<Woet>i have NO IDEA what it means
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06:53<Woet>what do i need to do?
06:53<cahoot>your msg implies you're attempting to configure some source for compilation - the configure step tends to produce a log of it's activities
06:55<cahoot>see this at line 11? See `config.log' for more details.
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06:56<Woet>I DID
06:56<Woet>Its a freakign big file and I have no idea what to do with it
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06:58<Eulex>look at it, to try to find out why it thinks that your C cannot produce executables?
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06:59<Woet>i have no idea
06:59<Woet>I just want to have the latest IRCU installed
06:59<Eulex>did you even try?
07:00<Woet>no not vista.. i want ircu
07:00<Eulex>(1) be content with the current version in debian (2) try to find a backport somewhere (might exist if you're lucky) (3) compile yourself.
07:01<Woet>(4) explain me how..
07:02<Eulex>you do know how, you're on the right track, but for some reason it fails. why it fails is detailed in config.log. I do not know why, and noone else does.
07:02<Woet>i will give you a link to my config.log then
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07:03<Woet>password = bbl
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07:04<formorer>Woet: gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program as)
07:04<formorer>something on your system is broken, maybe even your hardware
07:05<Woet>so how to fix?
07:05<formorer>try on different hardware first would I guess
07:06<Eulex>what version of debian? what version of gcc? what arch?
07:06<Woet>you think i got servers lying arround here?
07:06<Woet>i got 1..
07:06<formorer>then you have a Problem
07:07<Eulex>you might want to 'fix' your attitude before trying to ask us to fix your problem.
07:07<formorer>your system seems broken
07:07<formorer>try a memtest first
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07:07<Woet>and how to do a memtest..?
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07:07<Gromitt>Woet: install memtest68 and simply reboot
07:07<Gromitt>Woet: choose memtest on grub/lilo
07:07<Woet>is it so hard to install a damn ircu server
07:08<formorer>Woet: no its hard to fix your fucking broken server
07:08<Woet>I got no error at all before
07:08<Woet>im doing like 1 million things to get the latest
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07:08<Woet>why doesnt apt-get give me the latest
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07:08<Ten>Woet: well the first thing you need to do is take a step back and stop getting flustered about it.
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07:08<formorer>Woet: gcc shouldn't segfault for that program, so your system is broken
07:08<formorer>end of discussion
07:09<formorer>and you can't get the latest version from debian, because nobody has packaged the latest version yet.
07:10<Woet>somebody do..
07:10<sheldonh>vanilla ice ice weasel
07:11<Woet>Can someone please package icu?
07:11<lupine_85>Woet: you could read the docs and do it yourself..
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07:12<Woet>Why is it so hard installing a program on debian
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07:12<Eulex>(you're not just installing, you're _compiling_)
07:12<formorer>Woet: you don't want to hear? your system is broken!
07:12<Woet>Why do you say its broken, and the owner says it isnt broken?
07:13<formorer>Woet: because I can read logs?
07:13<Ten>where are you getting the source from woet?
07:13<cahoot>segfaulting gcc isn't a sign of health
07:13<Woet>someone go do something usefull and package ircu please
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07:14<Ten>Yes sir!
07:14<cahoot>while you do something else?
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07:14<Ten>Ironically, I was just about to build it for the twat.
07:14<Ten>And he left. Ahaha.
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07:14<Eulex>while he sits on his butt and whines until its done.
07:15<JasonS>he still whining about not being able to run an irc server on his computer?
07:15<formorer>no I found a broken gcc on his system
07:16<sep>ircu ? isn't that allready packaged as
07:16<formorer>sep: he wants the "newest" stuff
07:16<JasonS>sep: "its too old"
07:16<lupine_85>it's not new enough for him
07:16<formorer>sep: and debian is one minor version behind
07:16<streuner>!info ircd-ircu
07:16<formorer>latest is .12 and debian has .11
07:16<dpkg>ircd-ircu: (Undernet IRC Server daemon), section net, is optional. Version: (sid), Packaged size: 545 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB
07:17<Ten>Can someone arrange a refund for Mr Woet please?
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07:17<sep>Ten, :)
07:17<lupine_85>hah. Remove one patch and the debian/ for .11.04 seems to work fine
07:18<lupine_85>I told him/her to try that yesterday...
07:18<TBBle>Yeah, the 0.2 suggests there's no one particularly stepping up and caring enough to update it...
07:18<Ten>I think they just got flustered by it and acted like an idiot. I can kind of understand it, I'm the same with cars, heh.
07:19<Ten>Well, maybe not the same.
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07:19<lupine_85>eh, and one change to debian/rules
07:19<streuner>the problem is rather he dont trust us vs. his admin
07:20<streuner>otherwise he would listen to us
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07:20<formorer>maybe his admin should join here :)
07:20<streuner>good idea :-)
07:20<formorer>but anyhow such people shouldn't run an ircd
07:21<JasonS>formorer: no kidding :)
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07:25<lupine_85>you know, if I gave him a binary package, he'd probably install it as well
07:26<streuner>that's not a solution, he should what he doing (in order to run IRC-server)
07:26<streuner>otherwise he shouldnt start that at all
07:26<lupine_85>not a solution, no, but a great opportunity for exploitation
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07:26<theo>How do i recover a slost root passwd?
07:27<lupine_85>theo: generallly, you don't
07:27<streuner>!i forgot root's passwort
07:27<streuner>!listkeys forgot
07:27<dpkg>Factoid search of 'forgot' by key (11 of 14): i forgot root's password ;; i forgot rahul's password ;; forgot all karma ;; forgot mysql root password ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; forgots ogg ;; forgot what ;; _default i forgot root's password ;; #debian-bots i forgot root's password ;; #debian i forgot root's password ;; #debian forgot mysql root password.
07:27<streuner>!i forgot root's password
07:27<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
07:27<theo>quit this behaviour now, theo. make an exit in fice seconds.
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07:36<ranix>Is there a way to use bootsplash without recompiling my kernel?
07:37<ranix>I am willing to spend 10 minutes on it but the 20 that that would take is pushing it
07:37<dpkg>Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you!
07:37<streuner>!tell ranix about bootsplash
07:38<streuner>!factinfo bootsplash
07:38<dpkg>bootsplash -- last modified at Mon Dec 5 14:46:41 2005 by misieq!; it has been requested 96 times, last by streuner, 34s ago.
07:38<streuner>hm, out of 2005
07:39<ranix>I think that was rude, streuner
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07:39<ranix>thanks for the dpkg tips though
07:39<dpkg>ranix: de rien
07:40<ranix>I guess you can't have a bootsplash without compiling the kernel to support it. I just don't feel like doing that, is all
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07:40<streuner>ranix: go the website of bootsplash and look for an HOWTO or similar, the factoid is pretty old
07:41<oxymor00n>ranix: there is splashy, which is a userspace bootsplash-package
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07:51<alex__>Woet someone go do something usefull and package ircu please
07:51<alex__>DIE YOU ()"¬&$&$!_$"*
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07:51<alex__>FUCK i wish i was here and not in a meeting
07:51<alex__>to fucking own him
07:52<udo>!tell udo
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07:52<lupine_85>You know, he's not even here
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07:54<JasonS>im sure alex__ that you'll get a chance to smack woet around later
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07:54<alex__>yes i know
07:54<alex__>his firewall is completly open
07:55<alex__>"not" that i would try and do anything to him
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08:15<stew>alex__: that attitude of yours is not acceptable. if he is annoying you and you don't have the intention of helping him, use /ignore
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08:20<Cav>can anyone help me with access to my VPN through my firewall?
08:20<ranix>stew: I disagree, Woet is a douchebag
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08:20<cahoot>living out agression on irc is really pointless though
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08:20<stew>ranix: take a 10 minute break. name calling isn't allowed
08:20<stew>Cav: ask a more specific question
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08:20<k-man_>anyone know of any good creative commons music sites?
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08:22<tralala>k-man_, if we knew any they'd be listed in
08:22<k-man_>cool! ill check it out
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08:22<tralala>make sure you do - lot's of good stuff there
08:23<lupine_85>cahoot: living out agression on irc means you're a 1337 d00d. And everyone wants to be a 1337 d00d, surely? ;)
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08:32<bcochofel>His there any console pdf viewer? I need one without X11
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08:33<jkoenig>IIRC there is something such as 'pdftotext' included with xpdf, but its ouput is rather inconvenient (very wide page, approximations, ...)
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08:34<larsus>bcochofel: you could use pdf2txt...
08:34<Cav>ok - I need help with what ports to open on my firewall to enable me to access my VPN from outside my network
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08:34<jkoenig>bcochofel: but there are console-based graphic viewrs as well.
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08:35<Cav>i can access my servers VPN from within my network fine but my routers firewall is blocking access from outside
08:35<bcochofel>jkoenig: how's that?
08:35<sep>Cav, depends on what kind of vpn you have
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08:35<bcochofel>larsus: yes, I believe emacs has a mode that uses pdf2txt
08:35<jkoenig>bcochofel: which work on the Linux VC, with svgalib or the framebuffer device
08:35<Cav>im using openVPN
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08:36<bcochofel>jkoenig: do you know a name or something I can google for?
08:36<ifvoid>Cav: 1194/tcp is the default port
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08:36<sep>Cav, then you need to open/portforward whatever port you run openvpn on from your router to your internal vpn "server"
08:37<Cav>yes, so on my router/firewall i have ports 1194 open for TCP and UDP
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08:37<sep>and you have openvpn running on your router or a machine on the inside ?
08:37<Cav>do i need to forward that to my vpn server then?
08:37<ifvoid>Cav: it doesn't only need to open, it also needs to be forwarded to the openvpn server
08:37<Cav>no on a server inside
08:37<jkoenig>bcochofel: bmv - PostScript viewer for SVGAlib
08:37<sep>Cav, then you must forward to the internal machine
08:37<sep>that port
08:38<Cav>ah ok, would 'map to host port' be what i need to do on the router/firewall then?
08:38<jkoenig>bcochofel: you can easily convert pdf to ps
08:38<Cav>and obviously map to the vpn servers static ip?
08:39<sep>on my router it's called port forwarding
08:39<Cav>great, thanks! i'll give that a go
08:39<sep>or DNAT
08:40<bcochofel>jkoenig: thx, I'll try that
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08:46<deserve>How can I prevent fork bombs?
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08:47<deserve>Can you give me a web manual for that?
08:47<deserve>man doesn't help me
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08:48<skrewz>deserve: Edit /etc/security/limits.conf.
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08:51<chipi>why could xrandr say that 640x480 is the maximum supported resulution for the vga output? (Thinkpad X40)
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08:56<Cav>sep, i have those ports already forwarded to the VPN server machine - yet i cannot get a connection from outside
08:57<sheldonh>where do you submit bug reports for linux itself (not drivers)? it's braindead that linux prints 3 lines of output on receipt of an NMI with unknown reason (thwarts syslog message coalescing)
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08:58<lupine_85>against the linux-image package, I presume
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08:58<lupine_85>or you could pop off to
08:59<jkoenig>chipi: is it just xrandr saying it, or does the X server have that limit ?
09:00<chipi>jkoenig: laptop's screen is working at 1024x768
09:01<skrewz>Cav: Have you looked at logs from both the client and server? Set Verbose to 9 and they're very talkative.
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09:02<Cav>set verbose to 9 where?
09:02<skrewz>Cav: in the configuration files for OpenVPN.
09:03<Cav>ok thanks
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09:05<chipi>jkoenig: I plugged other screen and now it supports up to 800x600 (both screens should support up to 1280x1024)
09:05<jamesc>having trouble setting up a subdomain. I want the parent domain to recursively follow queries made for the subdomain. I've added the glue record (which works fine) but as soon as I add the NS record I get NXDOMAIN returned to any queries made for the subdomain - including the query for the nameserver that's in the glue A record.
09:05<jkoenig>chipi: maybe check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, the refresh frequencies might be detected incorrectly or somthing.
09:05<jamesc>I've put a log of what I'm doing at
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09:06<jamesc>this is debian etch
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09:07<chipi>jkoenig: anyway it does not transform the signal to that resolution, the external screen does not the whole screen.
09:07<chipi>s/does not/does not show/
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09:08<jkoenig>chipi: wow, that's weird.
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09:09<chipi>jkoenig: seeing the log file... when the external screen is connected... intel(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
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09:10<deserve>I think ulimits can't stop ":(){ :|:& };:"
09:11<jkoenig>chipi: okay, maybe you should scroll up and see what frequencies are detected for your monitor
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09:11<alex__>hmm i want to disable a module - lm_sensors, any clues?
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09:11<jkoenig>chipi: if they are detected incorrectly you can override them in the configuration file
09:12<chipi>jkoenig: fixed
09:12<jkoenig>chipi: how ?
09:12<deserve>alex__, try rmmod
09:13<chipi>jkoenig: in the Monitor section at xorg.conf, the VertRefresh high limit was too low.
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09:14<skrewz>deserve: Checked bash's `ulimit -a` -- has the limits had any effect?
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09:16<deserve>hm, I just typed 'ulimit 150' but this isn't for processes. :P
09:17<deserve>maybe ulimit -u can help me
09:17<skrewz>deserve: It might. ;)
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09:18<deserve>I'm wondering what "max user processes" means. Global processes or local processes?
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09:20<skrewz>deserve: `man bash` -- search (use /) for ``ulimit''.
09:20<locutus266>Just one simple question: Does anybody know a good web-based tty?
09:21<deserve>OK, thank you.
09:21<locutus266>Possibly PHP or Perl based
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09:26<ranix>I have downloaded a kernel patch and am about to recompile my kernel. The patch is in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply. How do I apply this patch? Is it done automatically by the makefile?
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09:27<stew>ranix: man make-kpkg look at --added-patches
09:27<suiside>ranix: man patch
09:27<bzed_work>tarzeau: ping
09:28<ranix>thanks stew that's simple
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09:28<rjent>Greetings, I have a traceroute question namely when I try to traceroute an address that in the path that has a hop that does not have a dns record it stops there. Could someone please advise?
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09:29<petemc>rjent: it shouldnt do that, but try -n
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09:33<rjent>petemc: same results. May I post an address for you to test?
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09:34<fxiny>try tcptraceroute
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09:34<petemc>rjent: sure
09:34<stew>mtr is a very nice traceroute program
09:35<petemc>i use mtr-tiny
09:35<fxiny>mtr ? oh ncurses !
09:35<fxiny>i use tcptraceroute
09:35<ranix>ncurses is sexy
09:36<chapel>when I create a group and some users , if I do a ps command a can't see the group, I only see the same name
09:36<chapel>anybody can help me?
09:37<stew>mtr is both ncurses and x
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09:38<chapel> how I can see the group I created before?
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09:39<petemc>chapel: ps shows running processes
09:40<chapel>but if you do ps -wweALo user,group
09:40<chapel>you can see
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09:42<chapel>petemc you undestand that I want?
09:42<petemc>you want ps to show you secondary groups you've added users to?
09:43<chapel>more or less
09:43<petemc>no idea how to do that, sorry
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09:43<chapel>but is possible?
09:43<petemc>i dont know that, either
09:43<formorer>its not
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09:43<stew>chapel: how is "ps -wweALo user,group" different than what you are looking for?
09:44<formorer>processes are bound to the current gid, not to the user
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09:44<formorer>so there shouldn't be any connection to secondary groups
09:44<chapel>a little example
09:44<chapel>groupadd qos
09:44<chapel>useradd -G qos john
09:45<chapel>How I can see the group qos with ps command?
09:45<formorer>as john: newgrp qos
09:45<formorer>then start something
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09:48<chapel>thank you formorer
09:48<chapel>and other people
09:48<formorer>no problem
09:48<stew>chapel: adding a user to a group doesn't change the effective gid that the process is running under, the process would have to call setgid for that to happen
09:51<chapel>stew you refer that the gid that the process is running under is john john
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09:52<chapel>for security questions?
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09:54<chapel>I don't want change the gid
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09:54<chapel>I only want to see the group in a ps command
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09:57<deserve>Thanks to all ;) ulimit works perfectly
09:58<ranix>chapel: in ps you see the user/group whose permissions the program is operating under
09:59<deserve>Just one last question. I'd like to set ulimit via bash script but for the script there isn't 'ulimit' command. What do I have to do?
10:00<E0x>show the script
10:00<ranix>chapel: if program kermit is owned by root:engineering and is run by joe who is part of engineering, the program will be running with the permissions of Engineering, IIRC
10:00<ranix>it might be running as joe though
10:01<deserve>lines are similar but there're different parameters
10:01<deserve>ulimit -u 10
10:01<ranix>I assume I'm about to be corrected
10:02<E0x>deserve: hmm take off the #!/bin/bash and try it
10:02<E0x>for test proporse
10:02<chapel>ranix ok
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10:03<mikegrb>chapel: I have the same but -t 10 in a shell script
10:03<stew>ranix: it would be running with the gid that the user who started it was running under unless the program itself runs setgid after it started
10:04<chapel>mikegrb -t 10 ??
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10:04<deserve>~# ./test
10:04<deserve>++ ulimit -u 20
10:04<chapel>what is that?
10:05<deserve>I've looked 'ulimit -a' and there are no changes
10:06<chapel>what is the meaning of -t 10 ??
10:06<E0x>if you script have conditions for set the ulimit maybe the condition is complete
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10:07<mikegrb>chapel: it is a different thing being limited
10:08<chapel>I don't understant you
10:08<sheldonh>how did pwned become kiddy speak for rooted? you'd think it'd be chowned
10:08<chapel>what is the meaning of <mikegrb> chapel: I have the same but -t 10 in a shell script???
10:09<stew>sheldonh: from a typo from the developers of some mmorpg or something
10:09<deserve>maybe ulimit -t 10? :P
10:09<sheldonh>chapel: man bash and search forward for ^/ *ulimit
10:10<sheldonh>stew: that puts everything into perspective. thanks
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10:10<stew>sheldonh: urban dictionary has it
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10:12<_cj>hurm... I'm getting an unknown pgp signature error... where do I find the current list of signing keys?
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10:18<chapel>thanks people
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10:32<deserve>Why doesn't ulimit work correctly?
10:32<deserve>I set 'ulimit -u 10', then 'exit'
10:33<deserve>and ulimit resets...
10:33<kop>deserve : ulimit only works for the current process and any children of that process.
10:34<fxiny>hmm : i just noticed mc menu and mouse not working in a screen session
10:34<deserve>kop, so what do I have to do?
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10:38<alex__>offtopic: i need to name a bunch of servers something, and i cant think of anything
10:38<alex__>i was thinking starwar characters, but thats old and used hardcore
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10:39<fxiny>i have a brilliant idea for you : name every server according to the root passsword :P
10:39<dun>alex__: How about DR WHO enemies
10:40<fxiny>DR ? nahh Black Adder !
10:40<alex__>never watched DR who stuff
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10:40<alex__>i was thinkin famous people
10:40<alex__>like stalin for the firewall
10:40<kop>deserve : I'm not clear. I suspect that's the sort of thing you need to change in /etc/profile. But that sounds spooky.
10:41<dun>Greek Philosophers?
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10:44<kop>I have a apt key signing problem. When I did aptitude update; aptitude upgrade, I get: Err etch/updates Release.gpg Connection failed [IP: 80] And now aptitude always tells me that the "file" and "libmagic1" packages are untrusted. What should I do?
10:44<kop>(I could go ahead anyway, but what's the right way to recover?)
10:44<deserve>file and libmagic1 are vulnerable
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10:44<deserve>there are two updates for these packages :P
10:44<fxiny>both fixed today
10:45<kop>Right. And the fixes are "untrusted", supposedly.
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10:46<fxiny>88d2fa490cbe688797453acd951e3b4b /var/cache/apt/archives/file_4.17-5etch2_i386.deb
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10:47<kop>(By my system, probably because the Release.gpg download failed.
10:48<kop>fxiny : I don't have the etch2 file file in the apt-cache archives.
10:48<dun>alex__: Call the firewall Cerebrus. The guardian to the gates of hell.
10:48<fxiny>this morning i had problems connecting to many USA sites
10:49<alex__>dun: who is the gaurdian to the gates of heaven?
10:49<kop>There must be some way to get apt "caught up" on the checksums (or whatever it's using.)
10:49<fxiny>from europe , i remember security hanged for a while
10:49<kop>alex__ : I think that'd be St. Peter.
10:50<JasonS>alex__: same thing isnt it?
10:50<fxiny>kop: maybe is a temporary mirror problem
10:50<fxiny>alex__: it depends : pagans differs from rocats
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10:51<kop>fxiny : I suppose. Thing is, aptitude update now gives me no errors. Perhaps dns has sent me elsewhere, where the new packages are not available. But that does not sound right.
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10:51<deserve>So, does anyone know why ulimit resets after 'exit' command? :\
10:52<kop>deserve : I told you the why. The question is, what are you trying to do?
10:52<deserve>I tried to set ulimit -u 10 for all users.
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10:53<kop>deserve : All people, or all deamons too?
10:53<deserve>All people.
10:53<dun>alex__: Not sure if there is a guardian to the gates of heaven. I'm not really religious so don't know off the top of my head.
10:54<deserve>I also don't want people have access to change ulimit -u
10:54<kop>deserve : Read "man bash" and see if /etc/profile is not where you want to put your ulimit command. (Unless somebody has a better idea.)
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10:54<Larks>quick help, I cannot get any of the ia64 images to boot.
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10:54<petemc>Larks: what processor do you have?
10:54<Larks>I burn them with k3b
10:55<Larks>using intell q6600
10:55<Larks>on asus pk5-v
10:55<deserve>kop, are you sure that users won't have access to change ulimit -u?
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10:56<kop>deserve : Once you set a hard limit down, it can't be raised. The question is, will you be setting limits on all your daemons too? That could be bad.
10:56<petemc>Larks: i think you want the amd64
10:56<Larks>for intel chipp?
10:56<Larks>where can I find this information?
10:56<petemc> , perhaps
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10:57<Larks>ok thank you.
10:57<petemc>i only know as i see other people talking about it, use 32bit on my core2duo
10:57<deserve>kop, I'd like this be valid only for users (people) not for daemons. :P
10:57<raoni>i need open my partition sda1 in NTFS for my users open
10:57<kop>deserve : You also might want to reconsider what you're trying to do. Number of processes is not a very limiting sort of limit.
10:57<Larks>yah, this seems weird.
10:57<petemc>raoni: umask=022 will let them read
10:57<Larks>I read something similar
10:57<kop>deserve : Yes. That's why you need to read the instructions and see what applies to what.
10:58<Larks>I have used debian for years, but never 64bit
10:58<ranix>I have two machines running 64 bit
10:58<ranix>I don't think I get noticable performance increase
10:58<Larks>ranix: why would ia64 netinstall not boot with a core 2 quad 6600?
10:59<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
10:59<bzed_work>Larks: ^^^
10:59<kop>fxiny : I guess I'll try again tomorrow and see if the problem goes away.
10:59<ranix>Larks: haha bzed nailed it before I could
10:59<bzed_work>Larks: you want amd64
10:59<ranix>you want amd64 IIRC
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10:59<Larks>thanks bzed
10:59<Larks>appreciate it
10:59<ranix>also known as em64t
10:59<bzed_work>btw, flashplugin-nonfree works well on amd64 :D
10:59<Larks>where did you get that?
11:00<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing!
11:00<bzed_work>Larks: ^
11:00<omer>I've just tried to install debian
11:00<fxiny>kop: lemme boot another box . i'll chek in aminute
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11:00<omer>All it could install is the base system, and it don't let me install anything else
11:00<kop>fxiny : I've another box where everything worked fine. But the Release.gpg download did not fail.
11:00<Larks>how did you do to get dpkg spit that out?
11:00<dun>ranix: You wonk get much of an increase in performance due to the 64 bit achitecture (extended instructions will help). The improvement is in the maximum amount of memory which can be addressed.
11:00<omer>all I have is command line
11:01<bzed_work>Larks: or do you mean the flashplayer? just add non-free and contrib and apt-get install it, it'll pull a wrapper to run old plugins in firefox
11:01<omer>someone could help? plz?
11:01<dun>ranix: I meant wont not wonk :-D
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11:01<Larks>bzed_work: I was not talking about flash, that was someone else's post
11:01<bzed_work>ah ok
11:01<Larks>bzed: how did you make dpkg spit out that info?
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11:02<Larks>bzed: or where can i find it on the net?
11:02<kop>omer : You should now be able to install and a desktop like kde by typing: aptitude install kde
11:03<ranix>dun: I realize. I just wanted to put that out there
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11:04<fxiny>kop: try to rename trustdb.gpg to see what ?
11:04<raoni>i'am write is /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs defaults,user,auto,umask=022 0 0
11:04<raoni>is right?
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11:06<kop>fxiny : And then what, try the upgrade again?
11:07<dun>ranix: I found the decision to move to 64 bit difficult as I knew the improvement gains were not there. I switched because the new motherboard chipset gave much better performance. Unfortunatley times change quickly and now my Sempron64 nforce3 is dated.
11:07<fxiny>kop: yes
11:08<ranix>dun: I started with slightly dated hardware because the necessety wasn't there. I'm running some plain old Prescott P4s on Supermicro boards for the SCSI support
11:08<kop>fxiny : That worked. What did I actually do? What's the theory here?
11:08<ranix>the 64 bit kernel was a lark mostly, because I could
11:09<dun>ranix: I was having fun getting 64bit woody working!
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11:09<ranix>dun: Nothing but Etch would support my SATA correctly
11:09<kop>fxiny : (And, of course, why isn't apt recovering all by itself?)
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11:09<ranix>I had to use Etch when it was still in testing
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11:11<chaoticmass>On Debian Etch how do I change Xterm's default colors and font size on a system wide basis?
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11:12<fxiny>kop: how can you trust a trustdb.gpg if you are 100% sure file*.deb md5sum is correct ? trustdb.gpg could be corrupted or it can get corrupted . so apt/gpg is right warning you
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11:13<dun>ranix: Woody's cdrdao on 64bit decided to not do anything, which was annoying as I used it alot. I was quite used to mucking around with 32 bit woody by building my own debs (had no net connection) so I just downloaded a new version of cdrdao and compiled from scratch. Besides from that, 64bit woody seemed to work well and I went straight to 64bit Etch. Don't regret it at all.
11:13<kop>chaoticmass : This is a guess, and may be bad practice. You could probably put the right X resource lines somewhere into /etc/X11/Xresources (maybe in a new file?) The X man page describes the resource syntax, and they'll be stuff in man xterm as well.
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11:14<stew>dun: 64 bit woody? on what arch?
11:14<ranix>dun: I just did a woody to etch upgrade on my webserver and was amazed at how well it went
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11:14<ranix>The biggest problem I had was a minor locale issue
11:14<kop>fxiny : Yes, it's right warning me, but why didn't it get updated automaticly when again became available?
11:14<stew>ranix: you would have had a problem with the pre-depends loop on e2fsprogs too
11:15<ranix>stew: I must have stumbled through it, because I don't remember it being an issue
11:15<stew>ranix: are you sure you really skipped sarge?
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11:16<chaoticmass>kop : which man page? I'll try reading up on it and go that direction
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11:16<chaoticmass>I know ~/.Xdefaults file or something would work on a per user basis
11:17<kop>chaoticmass : I think just "man X" describes the generic resource syntax, and stuff like size and color is generic I think.
11:17<stew>ranix: then either e2fsprogs was not installed (which is bad), you had already upgraaded e2fsprogs from something newer than woody, or you had to use some --force options at some point when things started failing to upgrade
11:17<dun>stew: I cant really remember what arch. I was using a sempron 64 and the arch must have been x86_64. I think every package I built myself needed the arch to be labelled x86_64 but checkinstall was defaulting to the kernels 'amd64'
11:17<stew>dun: there were no 64 bit debs for woody, unless you were compiling every single package youserlf
11:17<ranix>stew: I did need to use some --force options at one point when things failed to upgrade.
11:18<dun>ranix: I never managed to upgrade very well. Mostly because of my mongrel self built packages.
11:18<ranix>stew: some problems with "X depends on Y because of blah, but Y will not be installed"
11:18<dun>stew: I used an unnoficial one.
11:18<stew>dun: are you sure you don't mean sarge instead of woody?
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11:19<dun>stew: Yep! It's the end of the day. I'm having trouble with my spelling so it wouldn't surprise me if I'm getting a bit loopy!! :-)
11:20<stew>dun: i find it hard to believe. woody was frozen years before the semperon came out
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11:20<ranix>I was using Woody in 2002, IIRC
11:21<ranix>On a 333mhz K6?
11:21<kop>fxiny : Humm. /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg was not re-created. I'm thinking I've turned security entirely off or something.
11:21<dun>stew: I strated with woody, then sarge, then I moved to the unoficial sarge 64 bit and now I am on etch.
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11:22<fxiny>kop: i never looked deep into apt/gpg . i suppose it works like tripwire : /etc/tripwire/*.key and /var/lib/tripwire/*.twb . so if twb is corrupted and i am 100% sure i'm still the owner of my box i rename *.twb just in case and i reinit tripwire
11:22<kop>fxiny : I ran "apt-key list" and it re-created trustdb.gpg.
11:23<fxiny>kop: all this things are the same
11:23<dun>stew: Right at this moment I'm at work running Etch in a virtual PC running on windows XP.
11:23<fxiny>kop: what is nice is : apt blocked your updates and this is very good !
11:24<stew>dun: i don't believe you were ever running 64 bit packages on woody, no matter what you say
11:24<kop>fxiny : Yes. Next time I'm going to wait and see if it recovers all by itself. Otherwise I'll be unhappy because it's brittle.
11:25<dun>stew: I wasnt. I had got a little confused due to it being a long day at work. I had forgotten all about sarge.
11:25<ranix>does anyone know where I should look to find out what option to supply to my kernel on boot to enable the framebuffer correctly?
11:25<ranix>Google has trouble helping me when I don't know what to ask for
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11:25<dun>ranix: try vga=0x314
11:25<kop>ranix : etch? Install linux-doc-2.6 and then look at Documentation "kernel_parameters" or some such.
11:25<stew>ranix: vga=0x111 where 0x111 is a valid mode as reported by 'hwinfo --framebuffer'
11:26<ranix>thanks guys
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11:27<kop>fxiny : (Of course, there's always the possiblity that apt _did_ recover all by itself, and all the fussing we did just gave it the time it needed. :-)
11:27<dun>ranix: vga=0x314 is what I use. I'm using the vesa framebuffer.
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11:28<fxiny>kop: having a trustdb.gpg backup autocreated should be better , i think apt should just block any updates
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11:29<kop>fxiny : It needs to recover by itself from temporary network failure.
11:30<ranix>score, it works
11:30<fxiny>kop: in this case it should autorevert to a previous db and send a mail ?
11:30<ranix>irssi looks much better in 1024x768
11:31<ranix>Wish the framebuffer supported my native resolution of 1440x1050 though
11:32<kop>fxiny : I'm unclear on the underlying process, so my opinion isn't worth much. But I think it needs to detect that it's db is out of date and automatically update it when it again becomes available. It _seems_ like what happened is an update was triggered, the trust db failed to update due to network problems, and then it did not detect that the trust db was out of date.
11:32<dun>ranix: Great. I can't go above 800x600 with my CRT as I cant put up with the annoying whine it makes at 1024x768. I may try higher resolutions when I get home.
11:32<fxiny>kop: or leave untouched the original db until it finish , using a db.tmp ?
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11:33<dun>I'm off now guys!
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11:37<fxiny>kop: i believe mantainers will improve it . we are safe cause it did not update you box , and this is good !
11:37<miksuh_>Hm.. TP-Link TL-WN610G Cardbus wlan-card seems to works fine in Debian
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11:37<stew>ranix: are you sure it doesn't? i run a framebuffer console at 1400x1050
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11:38<stew>ranix: using 0x342
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11:42<bmatanzo>Sorry to bother but anyone knows why on Sources there is an error on the gzip file?
11:43<fxiny>kop: ^^^ :))
11:43<ben_goodger>please paste all output to a pastebin
11:44<Maulkin>bmatanzo: Which sources, and which server?
11:44<bmatanzo>ok how do i paste to a pastebin?
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11:45<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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11:47<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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11:48<dondelelcaro>dpkg: paste =~ s/ use instead/. Instead, use/
11:48<dpkg>OK, dondelelcaro
11:49<bmatanzo> etch/updates/main Sources
11:50<bmatanzo>Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
11:51<geitje>kop : here i am again :)
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11:54<bmatanzo>ok i already posted it in
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11:56<bmatanzo>the url i have now on my browser is
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12:00<fxiny>bmatanzo: did it stopped at 99% ? , can you try again ?
12:00<bmatanzo>ok i'll try again
12:00<fxiny>99% [3 Sources gzip 0]
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12:01<bmatanzo>it hapend again
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12:02<Waddledee>Hey, there's an update available for iceweasel on testing, but it's dependent on something that isn't in testing yet. Anybody have an ETA for when that little glitch will be taken care of?
12:03<fxiny>could be a dns problem , it happened to me this morning
12:03<bmatanzo>I've been using two diferent internet conections?
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12:03<stew>Waddledee: show us the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel foo" where foo is the pacakge you are saying isn't in testing ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
12:04<stew>Waddledee: it should basically never happen
12:04<Waddledee>stew: do I need to use root terminal for that, or will regular terminal be fine?
12:04<stew>Waddledee: regular
12:05<bmatanzo>fxiny: It happened to me also last night.
12:05<fxiny>i read about another uri firebug problem , i don't care too much cause i keep jscript off
12:06<fxiny>bmatanzo: armageddon coming :)
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12:06<Waddledee>stew: okay, here.
12:07<Waddledee>stew: the package is in testing, just not the version iceweasel wants.
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12:08<stew>Waddledee: what version does it want?
12:08<arinomi>How can I run programs (like aMSN) from terminal?
12:09<bmatanzo>fxiny: Maybe not but perhaps the sky will fall
12:09<Waddledee>stew: according to SPM, >=2.3.5 .
12:09<stew>oh, ait, 2.3.5-1 is in testing
12:10<stew>Waddledee: have you run "aptitude update" recently?
12:10<stew>Waddledee: -> # [2007-07-20] freetype 2.3.5-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
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12:11<Waddledee>stew: I use SPM, so I just click the 'reload' button now and again. That should do the same thing, right? But I can give the console command a whirl and see if it helps.
12:11<burningphire>Hi. I was wondering if it was possible to import an Ubuntu source package into Debian.
12:11<stew>Waddledee: i don't know what SPM is
12:12<Waddledee>Synaptic Package Manager.
12:12<stew>Waddledee: try running "aptitude update" then check "apt-cache policy libfreetype6" and see if the candidate version jumps to 2.3.5-1
12:12<fxiny>bmatanzo: it already happened at your latitude :)
12:14<Waddledee>stew: Okay, I've tried that, but the version number of libfreetype6 hasn't changed.
12:14<fxiny>burningphire: what ? armageddon is not so close :P
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12:14[~]fxiny touches^32 woods
12:16<burningphire>fxiny: I was going to import the Ubuntu dhcp3-client (dhclient) package for it's feature of running a non-root user. The Debian package maintainer hasn't added the non-root user patch for the past 2 years that it has been available.
12:16<fxiny>i bet it will be rewritten even the bible one of this daye , in full ubu style : "and a orange horseman came ..."
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12:17<burningphire>fxiny: Do you know how or are you just wasting my time?
12:18<dondelelcaro>burningphire: the dhcp-client has to run as a root user, or use a root shell at some level so it can bind port 67.
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12:18<fxiny>burningphire: my friend . i am just a user like you . but you are wasting your own time asking about ubu in the official debian channel
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12:19<fxiny>burningphire: i got you now . i am deeply sorry , yopu are using debian , sorry again
12:19<burningphire>dondelelcaro: The patch that Martin Pitt submitted makes a pseudo-superuser that's not root named dhcp.
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12:19<burningphire>dondelelcaro: Let me get the bug report link to explain to you, one second.
12:20<dondelelcaro>burningphire: right, but it still runs for some parts of its lifetime as root
12:20<dondelelcaro>burningphire: and the bug is
12:20<burningphire>dondelelcaro: Yes, that's the one.
12:21<dondelelcaro>burningphire: that said, you can trivially apply the patch to your debian packages, rebuild them and use them.
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12:21<dondelelcaro>I'm not entirely sure why Eloy hasn't just applied it, but he's probably waiting for upstream to weigh in
12:22<burningphire>I talked to Andrew Pollock via e-mail, and yeah, they were waiting for upstream.
12:22<burningphire>I just want a 'secure' DHCP client, goddammit.
12:23<dondelelcaro>so all you have to do is apply the patch from that bug and rebuild your package
12:23<dondelelcaro>and it's not like droping root is going to suddenly make it secure, either
12:23<burningphire>I know, I was trying to make a daemonless system, but it is impossible due to the way DHCP is made.
12:24<burningphire>Damn IETF.
12:24<burningphire>I could just do static IP addressing, but not on a laptop that I will be taking on different wireless networks.
12:24<dondelelcaro>so apply the patch!
12:25<dondelelcaro>it's not exactly hard
12:25<burningphire>Yeah, I don't know how to, that's why I am here. LOL.
12:26<dondelelcaro>apt-get source dhcp3-client; cd dhcp*; apt-get build-dep dhcp3-client; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; patch -p1 -i ../foopattch; increment changelog using dch or an editor; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary;
12:27<burningphire>Wow, I'll try it out, thanks.
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12:27<burningphire>dondelelcaro: Do you run dhclient as it is default without any security qualms?
12:27<Metalqga>why do i get 100% cpu load when the screen saver is active?
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12:28<dondelelcaro>burningphire: I don't usually run it, but it's not like I don't have security qualms about it, I'm just aware of them.
12:29<dondelelcaro>Metalqga: because you're using a screensaver that uses all of the CPU
12:29<stew>Waddledee: try a different mirror, perhaps the mirror you are using didn't update
12:29<dondelelcaro>Metalqga: pick one that doesn't.
12:29<Metalqga>it's one that shows pictures of the space
12:29<Metalqga>it's a standard saver included in etch
12:29<Waddledee>stew: *nods* Okay, thanks for the advice.
12:29<dondelelcaro>yes... a lot of screen savers run at full tilt
12:30<stew>Waddledee: if you find that it is still missing check back
12:30<Metalqga>and why is that? screen saver, cpu burner?
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12:30<dondelelcaro>Metalqga: it's not like using your CPU hurts it. well, unless your cooling is garbage. But if it matters, pick a different screensaver.
12:30<dondelelcaro>Metalqga: ones that just display pictures or do simple animations tend to be ok
12:31<Metalqga>this is not a solution and you know it
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12:31<Metalqga>i'll try all screen savers
12:31<Metalqga>and report
12:32<sartek>hi, my eth1 is named "eth1_renasomething" after fresh install, how can i solve this?
12:32<dondelelcaro>of course it's a solution. if you care deeply about it, file a bug
12:33<dondelelcaro>sartek: /etc/udev/rules.d/ has the naming rule for your iterfaces. It'll be something like z25-net-peristent.rules
12:33<Metalqga>pop art is ok
12:35<Metalqga>floating gnome, no good
12:35<Armand>Can anyone try to help me with wireless adaptor on Debain plz? :)
12:35<Armand>on a Toshiba laptop..
12:35<JasonS>Metalqga: you aren't actually going to go through them all and saw which are fine and which aren't here are you?
12:36<bmatanzo>Armand: Make of your wireless card?
12:36<Metalqga>exactly the opposite
12:36<Metalqga>and they are less than 5
12:36<Armand>sadly, not a clue.. got the laptop today and went straight to debian.
12:36<Armand>was tempted to do a dual-boot, looks like I may have to.
12:37<sartek>dondelelcaro, and what to edit there? it's *properly* setted eth0 and eth1, when i: ifconfig -a it shows the same MAC for both,
12:37<bmatanzo>Armand: you'll have to start with a dual-boot sorry ;( get the make and the look for the kernel module if exists, there is a lot of help on the internet.
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12:38<Armand>was afraid of that. :P
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12:39<Metalqga>can you read?
12:39<Armand>yeah, although I am bit of a twat. :P#
12:39<Metalqga>read the manual of the laptop
12:39<Armand>Wish I had one..
12:39<Metalqga>download one from the internet
12:40<Armand>yeah, of course
12:40<Metalqga>come back with answers :D
12:40[~]Armand must reduce stupidity level. :)
12:41<Metalqga>i hate being bug buster
12:41<Armand>Well, I'm a bit baked today.. had to got to Piccadilly circus to pick up the unit.. 2 trains.
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12:43<bmatanzo>fxiny: I downloaded the file with a browser and decompressed it there seems nothing wrong with it.
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12:46<Eth1c>Meh, im new to the debian/linux thing... and well the UI is quite simple... but the installing/using files completely throws me off.. what am i soposed to do with the "control.tar.gz" "data.tar.gz" and debian-binary o_O
12:47<Armand>I'm an M$ user going back to DOS 3
12:47<fxiny>bmatanzo : what file ?
12:47<fxiny>Armand: is the Intrepid Fox close for goods ?
12:48<Armand>huh.. ?
12:49<dondelelcaro>Eth1c: you shouldn't be doing anything with those. If you want to install something, just aptitude install foopkg;
12:50<dondelelcaro>Eth1c: data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz are the internals of the ar archive (which is what a Debian package (.deb) is), but you shouldn't ever have to deal directly with them.
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12:51<Eth1c>Ahh.. thx for shining some light... because ive been extracting them.. going through the files lost like a mad man..
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12:51<dondelelcaro>Eth1c: yeah, you don't even want to download them manually. Just open up a console and use aptitude install foopkg; or run synaptic to install whatever you're looking for
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12:52<Eth1c>ah, "GDebi Package Installer" <- that work?
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12:55<Eth1c>mmkay... new problem... my adminitarative password is not working.. and yes i know im typing it right o_O
12:55<dondelelcaro>uh... wouldn't use it
12:56<dondelelcaro>use synaptic or aptitude; that's pretty much it
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12:56<dondelelcaro>as far as your password goes, what is asking you?
12:56<alexweb>hi. Does anybody know how to enable voice support in kopete (testing)
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12:57<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to rm files with names which are not typable?
12:57<Armand><fxiny> Armand: is the Intrepid Fox close for goods ? do what?
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12:57<Eth1c>"Enter the administrative password" - the application "Update Manager" lets you modify essential parts of your system, "Paswword:_________________" "Checkbox's *Remember me - Options Save for this session, Save in the keyring"
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12:58<Ganneff>try /quit
12:58<Eth1c>nvm.. O_O my root pw worked O_O
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12:59<fgh>i apt-get install'ed linux 2.6.8 and now ive lost my sound :(
12:59<Metalqga>installed xscreensaver
12:59<streuner>fgh: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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13:01<EmleyMoor>I have some files with awkward names on my phone memory card - they are junk and I would like to delete them - can anyone guide me as to how?
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13:02<streuner>fgh: we need the whole output in order to help you
13:02<Supaplex>EmleyMoor: rm -i ?
13:02<skrewz>EmleyMoor: Midnight commander might do it.
13:02<fgh>ii libc6 2.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
13:02<fgh>streuner: its all i get
13:03<EmleyMoor>Supaplex: Right - possibly
13:03<streuner>fgh: ok, show us your sources.list, paste that in paster bot
13:03<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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13:05<fgh>i cant paste, but its like: testing main contrib non-free. nothing wrong as i can see
13:05<fgh>what does it have to do with my soundmodules? :)
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13:07<dondelelcaro>burningphire: best to keep it in the channel. The .deb will be in the directory above the one that you ran fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; in by default.
13:08<streuner>fgh: we need a whole complete info, what you are using
13:09<streuner>fgh: anyway, it doesnt hurd, if you give more infos like you think we would need ;-)
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13:10<burningphire>dondelelcaro: It ran into an error when makeing. includes/droppriv.h:15:28: error: sys/capability.h: No such file or director
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13:10<fgh>streuner: ive got no browser, nor a mice so its kind of hard to paste :/
13:11<burningphire>dondelelcaro: I think I have to install libpcap-dev.
13:11<streuner>fgh: well, only *one* line in sources.list?
13:11<fgh>its a sb live pci card wich have been running without problems before. (on the etch installation kernel)
13:12<streuner>and you upgraded to lenny?
13:12<fgh>streuner: yes
13:13<streuner>hm, there is no 2.6.8 kernel in lenny, nor etch. How did you able to apt-get the kernel?
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13:13<fgh>deb testing main contrib non-free
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13:14<streuner>well, thats a simple "testing" line
13:14<streuner>fgh: /exec -o cat /proc/version
13:15<fgh>streuner: oops apt-cache search kernel|grep image shows a lot of 'linux-image..' debs AND my kernel-image-2.6.8..
13:15<fgh>maybe i just installed the wrong stuf, lol?
13:15<fgh>Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Sep 7 05:39:52 UTC 2006
13:16<streuner>fgh: ok, just install a 2.6.18 kernel
13:17<fgh>should i use 486 or 686 on a P3?
13:17<dpkg>In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel
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13:18<Armand>ok, Backtrack2 was no help. :(
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13:19<BeCkY>hey guys
13:19<ranix>stew: yeah, hwinfo --framebuffer gives me 1280x1024 as the max
13:19<ranix>stew: which probably wouldn't even work
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13:20<BeCkY>can u /Join #ubuntu-offtopic
13:20<fgh>linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 or linux-image-2.6-686 ?
13:20<ranix>ps aux | grep usplash
13:21<streuner>2.6-686 is the metapackage, it just installs the latest 2.6.x kernel which is available
13:21<ranix>haha ignore me, wrong terminal. I hate that
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13:23<dondelelcaro>burningphire: please use the channel instead of /msg'ing me. You probably missed the apt-get build-dep dhcp3-client; step.
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13:24<Eth1c>whats this mean as i try to intall the X-chat package from "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libdbis-1-2
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13:25<burningphire>dondelelcaro: This error has to do with the patch which build-dep doesn't cover.
13:25<rasvanel>can i get some help with a bebian instalation , pls?
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13:25<dondelelcaro>Eth1c: uh... is there any reason why you just don't aptitude install xchat?
13:25<Eth1c>cus i have no clue what aptitude is o_o
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13:26<dondelelcaro>Eth1c: open up a console, and type that in.
13:26<Supaplex>well start learning :)
13:26<dondelelcaro>(as root)
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13:26<tarzeau>bzed: pong
13:26<dondelelcaro>rasvanel: not with bebian, but with debian, yes.
13:26<fgh>streuner: hm.. shouldnt my soundcard however work on any 2.6 kernel? :)
13:26<EmleyMoor>Ethlc: OK, why are you trying to install that version of xchat
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13:27<rasvanel>lolz sorry tired after a long day's work :)
13:27<Eth1c>speaking of "Well start learning" supaplex, is there a place, such as a "Need to know" about newcomers to debian?
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13:27<Supaplex>!tell Eth1c -about grounding
13:28<rasvanel>i just downloaded the netinst of debian, put it on a cd ... and my computer does not boot form the cd
13:28<streuner>fgh: sure, but it doesnt hurd to use a newer kernel
13:28<rasvanel>any ideeas why ?
13:28<streuner>fgh: 2.6.8 had some security issues as well...
13:28<ben_goodger>Eth1c: generally the strategy is to watch and learn, or just fiddle and reinstall repeatedly, and above all to google before asking obvious questions
13:28<burningphire>dondelelcaro: I was supposed to install libcap-dev
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13:29<oxymor00n>rasvanel: boot order in the bios isn't right, the image is damaged, you didn't burn it right...
13:29<streuner>fgh: sure, but it doesnt hurd to use a newer kernel
13:29<streuner>fgh: 2.6.8 had some security issues as well...
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13:31<rasvanel>checked the bios boot order 2 times, downloaded the image 3 times, and come on ... how hard is it to burn an image :)
13:32<Armand>whats a good wireless PCMCIA to use on debian, 11.g WPA & such.
13:32<Armand>? :)
13:32<mjk>rasvanel: Did you accidentally burn the image itself as a file on the CD (now containing an ISO9660 file system with the netinst image as single file)?
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13:34<tslh>hello there
13:34<nick_>is there a way when using etch to have apt-get automatically download subgested and recamended packages for me but still get prompted if I want to continue?
13:35<rasvanel>myk:nope i burned the image right, no doubt about that , but i am worried that i diddent chose the right computer architecture(insted of i386 i chose alpha).....can this be the problem ?
13:35<mjk>rasvanel: Well, do you have an Alpha?
13:35<mjk>rasvanel: Then why did you choose it?
13:35<oxymor00n>because it sounds cool, maybe
13:35<rasvanel>:)) do i really have to answer that ? :)
13:36<ben_goodger>it would be an interesting boon to the field of behavioural psychology
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13:36<mjk>rasvanel: 8-) So you wanted to be a an Alpha male, right? =)
13:36<tslh>Hi folks. I just get a strange problem with aptitude: it segfault :(
13:36<tslh>I have a lenny
13:36<ben_goodger>mjk: when I become supreme overlord of earth and its moon, that joke will be a capital offence
13:37<mjk>tslh: You could use strace to narrow down this error -- maybe.
13:37<tslh>mjk: thanks for the advice... how can I use strace? :-/
13:37<rasvanel>oxymor00n : 10x for the escape ... i was warried i wold have to say ..stupididy
13:37<mjk>ben_goodger: Then I got to prevent that. Let's kill hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim!
13:37<oxymor00n>rasvanel: heh
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13:38<ben_goodger>nah, it'll be more fun to watch him interact with an electricity pylon and aluminium ladder
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13:38<rasvanel>mjk: if i instal debian tonight i will be happy to settle with beta of gamma.. np for me ! :)
13:38<fhd>debian people name their firefox/thunderbird differently. is there a sunbird-version which is debian patched and rebranded like this too?
13:39<fxiny>nick_: see apticron or cron-apt
13:39<mjk>rasvanel: Subordination is the first step to mankind's decline!
13:39<ben_goodger>fhd: "aptitude install sunbird" should tell you...
13:39<fxiny>a ruler on the moon ? which side ?
13:39<ben_goodger>fxiny: this side
13:39<mjk>ben_goodger: And wouldn't the ruler just float around stupidly?
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13:40<tslh>mjk: damn! strace make me an awful trace... could you help me to pull sens from that?
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13:40<ben_goodger>I'd install a revolving space station with a lunar-synchronous orbit
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13:41<fhd>ben_goodger, it won't tell me. just says there's no sunbird packet
13:41<mjk>tslh: Alas, no. Maybe someone who knows gdb could help you. :-}
13:41<fhd>apt-get is a little more determined
13:41<rasvanel>mjk: i think mankind alredy reached the 6th or 7th step .. dont you think ?]
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13:41<fxiny>ben_goodger: same side of mine : "where talk is cheap and vision true" ?
13:41<tslh>mjk: :-/ no luck
13:42<mjk>tslh: Sorry pal. :-( And you're sure your hardware is OK?
13:42<EmleyMoor>Is there a HOWTO/recipe anywhere for building a Debian-based DSL-modem/router/firewall with QoS?
13:43<mjk>rasvanel: Mankind needs a lot more trials. :-)
13:43<rasvanel>so anyway could this be the reason why my cd doesent boot? :)
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13:43<tslh>mjk: I think so, since it's my server, and all services works well
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13:43<tslh>mjk: I'm using irssi from it in a screen to speak to you
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13:44<mjk>tslh: That's not a good proof for working hardware, I fear.
13:44<fxiny>same here : screen rocks
13:44<oxymor00n>rasvanel: that you have a netinst cd for alpha? yes. alpha is a different processor type
13:44<tslh>EmleyMoor: are you looking for a wrt-like distribution?
13:44<fgh>streuner: linux 2.6.21 and still no sound. :(
13:44<mjk>tslh: Do you have ECC memory? (And a mainboard supporting that)
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13:44<tslh>fxiny: screen is life :)
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13:44<EmleyMoor>tslh: I don't even know what wrt-like is
13:44<burningphire>dondelelcaro: It works!
13:44<tslh>mjk: negative, it's a "desktop machien converted as a server"
13:44<EmleyMoor>I'm more interested in plain Debian but with some advice on hardware and configuration
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13:45<mjk>tslh: *gulp* Well, then at least you could run memtest86+ to check for memory failures.
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13:45<rasvanel>mjk: 10x .. just downloaded the i386 image and i will give it a go an see if it works ... 10 again
13:45<tslh>EmleyMoor: have a look to, it's a special distro that apply on AP router (mainly linksys) and damn... that kick asses :)
13:45<EmleyMoor>OK - will have a look but not sure it will do what I want
13:45<mjk>rasvanel: No prob =)
13:46<streuner>fgh: did you use ALSA or OSS?
13:46<tslh>mjk: hum... it could be strange that only aptitude fail, and not randomly on every app
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13:46<tslh>but I'll check that that night
13:46<mjk>tslh: Wish you luck anyway. aptitude works fine on my Lenny box.
13:47<tslh>mjk: thanks ;) With the latests versions, I suppose?
13:47<mjk>tslh: Doing an "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" daily. =)
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13:48<tslh>mjk: damn, that happen only to me :'(
13:48<fxiny>safe-upgrade ? this is new !
13:48[~]mjk hands tslh a hanky.
13:48<fxiny>is it a Lenny bonus ?
13:48<EmleyMoor>I'm really looking to replace my FreeBSD box with one running Debian - but if I can make it my router as well, so much the better
13:48<tarzeau>EmleyMoor: why not debian gnu/kfreebsd ?
13:48<tslh>fxiny: new aptitude options for upgrade and dist-upgrade
13:48<fgh>streuner: no, pci emu10k1? :)
13:48<tslh>make more sens
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13:49<EmleyMoor>tarzeau: Tried it on a qemu and it was a resounding unsuccess
13:49<tarzeau>EmleyMoor: how's that?
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13:50<EmleyMoor>tarzeau: I found it impossible to get it set up - too many things went wrong
13:50<fgh>streuner: OSS
13:50<EmleyMoor>I prefer Linux anyway
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13:51<tarzeau>EmleyMoor: i see
13:51<streuner>fgh: is the module loaded?
13:51<fgh>streuner: yes
13:52<EmleyMoor>I only kept the FreeBSD anyway because I never got a DHCP server working on any of my Linux machines
13:52<EmleyMoor>Besides, at least if I had my own router, I could install what networks I liked on it, within reason
13:52<streuner>fgh: ok, your sound should working, unless you are not using some ESD or ARTS crap
13:53<fxiny>EmleyMoor: what QoS is ?
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13:53<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Quality of Service - the tagging and prioritising of packets - such as the ones for VoIP
13:53<Batman_polsl>moze mi ktos pomoc??
13:53<Batman_polsl>jest tu ktos taki??:)
13:54<streuner>english please
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13:54<fxiny>EmleyMoor: have you checked shorewall ?
13:54<Batman_polsl>is anybody here who can help me to install Debian Alpha??
13:54<ben_goodger>Batman_polsl: do you have an alpha?
13:54<EmleyMoor>fxiny: No
13:55<Maulkin>Batman_polsl: What's your problem?
13:55<ben_goodger>right, that's the first step...
13:55<Batman_polsl>i download a mirror from the site
13:55<Batman_polsl>and i burn the CD
13:55<fxiny>tslh: are you runing Lenny ?
13:56<stew>Maulkin: someone was in here earlier saying that the iceweasel testing-security update isn't installing becuase libfreetype6 hasn't yet propagated to testing on yet (even though says it should have 10 days ago)
13:56<Batman_polsl>but this CD doesnt booting
13:56<fxiny>"the first step" :heheheh
13:56<stew>Maulkin: have you heard anything else like that?
13:56<Batman_polsl>on the restart computer
13:56<Batman_polsl>why its happend??
13:56<Batman_polsl>i dont know this system
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13:57<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Hmmm... sounds good - nothing about QoS there but that's a lesser issue
13:57<Maulkin>stew: Odd...
13:57<Maulkin>stew: hang on... I'll look at my logs
13:57<Batman_polsl>maybe you know the better version??
13:57<EmleyMoor>All I really need to find now is some spare hardware and a DSL modem that will work
13:58<stew>Maulkin: i verified packages.gz on (not sure which one) as still referring to libfreetype6 2.2.1
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13:58<stew>Maulkin: where's the best place to ask about this? #-release?
13:58<Batman_polsl>Maulkin: could you help me
13:59<stew>i think abrotman was saying that he has alphas still on sarge becuase the etch kernel won't work on them
13:59<Maulkin>stew: erm... very odd. Looking
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14:00<stew>Maulkin: actually is just gluck?
14:01<Batman_polsl>Maulkin: do you help me
14:01<stew>yeah, "wget -O - | zgrep -A10 "Package: libfreetype6" | grep ^Version" -> Version: 2.2.1-6
14:01<stew>Batman_polsl: how far does it get when you reboot? do you see anything?
14:02<stew>Batman_polsl: like do you get a debian splash screen?
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14:02<stew>Batman_polsl: have you in the past been able to boot from other CDs on this machine?
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14:03<Batman_polsl>of course
14:03<streuner>stew: no,
14:03<Batman_polsl>its working
14:03<Player>hello? world!!! ))))
14:03<stew>streuner: yes, gluck is, i thought was a rotation of machiens, but it seems to just be gluck
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14:03<EmleyMoor>Player: Can we help you?
14:04<Player>Yes, please, speak russian?
14:04<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:04<Batman_polsl>so maybe i have the wrong version
14:05<stew>Batman_polsl: which version did you download?
14:05<Batman_polsl>wait a minute
14:05<stew>Batman_polsl: perhaps you could check the md5sum of the cd you burned?
14:06<Player>Thank's a lot
14:06<Batman_polsl>md5sum it there
14:06<Batman_polsl>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official alpha NETINST Binary-1
14:06<Batman_polsl>this version
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14:07<stew>Batman_polsl: that shoudl be the correct version. can you double check the md5sum:
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14:08<Eth1c>Im a huge movie fan, and i used to watch movies on , which required divx ... anyone know of a way i can watch movies there on debian?
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14:09<ben_goodger>er, the vlc mozilla plugin is quite good
14:10<Eth1c>but you cant full screen eh?
14:10<November>Hello everyone!
14:10<Batman_polsl>sorry what its that mind??
14:10<Batman_polsl>i dont get it
14:13<Batman_polsl>is anybody there who speaking polish?????
14:13<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
14:13<JasonS>short and to the point i see
14:14<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
14:15<Batman_polsl><JasonS>: kurwa
14:15<Ma3oxuct>Hi, I am having trouble with networking on a new system I setup. I copied (using rsync to be more precise) an existing system comparable hardware. The network devices on the new machine refuse to work in any configuration what so ever. To make matters worse the system is giving no error messages (at least where I have looked). The ethernet devices are the same as on the machine I copied the system from. Everything else works an
14:15<Batman_polsl>czemu tu nikt nic nie pisze
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14:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer
14:16<dpkg>i guess linux is closed
14:16<Ma3oxuct>In knoppix it the network devices work perfect
14:16<streuner>and thats an english spoken channel (ie) ;-)
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14:17<fxiny>Ma3oxuct: the ethernet mac address is not the same . see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
14:17<November>I've got a problem with the "no screens found" message. I'm sure this is a know problem but I haven' been able to fix it. System: My system is AMD64, A8N-E, VideoCard - ATI X850XT PE. StartX returns "no screens found" and the Xorg report says "no devices are connected", though it does detect the card. I've tried to reconfigure Xorg but vesa drivers don't work either(
14:17<November>Could anyone help me?
14:18<Maulkin>November: can you pastebin the error lig?
14:18<Ma3oxuct>fxiny: deleting this file should do the trick? thanks!
14:20<stew>Ma3oxuct: deleting that file will cause it to be regenerated the next time you reboot
14:21<November>Mmm... not right now, since I'm running Xp now. A'm new to Debian actually and I haven't quite figured out how to share files between Linux and NTFS partitions.
14:21<November>However I can try
14:21<November>Meanwhile, can you tell me what can be the most probable cause of this problem?
14:21<stew>November: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose "ati" or "radeon" for your driver. if it still doesn't work, upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to
14:23<November>I tried to reconfigure Xorg. Neither ATI not Vesa drivers work, unfortunately.
14:23<November>As for, the log file, I'll do that.
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14:29<nick_>when running reiserfs what command can I type so on the next reboot fsck will check the filesystem?
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14:30<Amos>Hello. I'm on the trail of elusing information about the characters at the end of a Bind9 querylog entry (i.e. '+', '-', '-S', '-E', '-SE') ... they look like "flags" or response codes ??
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14:31<imbruce>help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows
14:31<imbruce>never autoraise. never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the
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14:32<imbruce>iicon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when
14:32<imbruce>tthey are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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14:32<Ma3oxuct>fxiny,stew: after moving that file out and rebooting, I still have the problem :(...I am getting "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" messages
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14:35<stew>Ma3oxuct: when you rebooted, the file was recreated, you should alter /etc/network/interfaces to match the file that was recreated if they don't match now
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14:38<deb_usr>hi all
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14:43<kop>Any good names for a box running the Xen hypervisor?
14:43<esaym>can anyone recommend a backup program? I have debian on a 200gb drive. I have a spare 200gb drive that I want to back up to every few weeks or so. I guess I could write an rsync script or something? Are there any gui programs?
14:43<kop>esaym : dirvish
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14:44<fxiny>kop: xhype ?
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14:44<esaym>hmm, looks promising, anything else?
14:45<kop>esaym : (Although I don't care for it's security model, dirvish would be just fine for everything running on one box.)
14:45<ranix>hey all, I'm having trouble with bootsplash. I've added the patch via make-kpkg --added-patches bootsplash and when I compiled the kernel I was asked if I wanted to add bootsplash support, I chose yes. The framebuffer is working properly in 1024x768, but I have no bootsplash. What gives?
14:45<kop>fxiny :)
14:45<fxiny>kop: very hype :)
14:46<esaym>thank you kop
14:46<kop>esaym : I"ve an rsync script I wrote.
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14:46<esaym>can I see it?
14:47<deb_usr>when i insert a cdrom, an icon is created in the Desktop
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14:47<kop>esaym : You can also search for backup programs.
14:47<ranix>Grub is configured for splash=silent vga=791
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14:47<deb_usr>how to configure gnome to not create this icon automatically ??
14:47<Anon150>hola alguien habla español
14:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:47<kop>esaym : Sure. Lettsee. Easiest would be for me to paste it somewhere where I can put a tarfile.
14:47<Anon150>no hay nadie
14:48<Anon150>ya entre
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14:49<Eulex>Anon150, try #debian-es on instead? appears to be more people there.
14:49<Anon150>es necesario tener los 3 dvds para instalar debian ecth
14:49<kop>esaym : Uh, where can I stick a tarfile where you can get it?
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14:50<kop>esaym : Wait. I know.
14:51<esaym>I don't know
14:51<esaym>something like ?
14:51<lupine_85>if you BASE64 encoded it first, maybe...
14:52<Eulex>Anon150, no, teneis solo el net-installer, si habeis internet en el ordenador
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14:52<Anon150>entonces solo nesecito el primer dvd
14:52<deb_usr>when i insert a cdrom, an icon is created in the Desktop
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14:52<deb_usr>how to configure gnome to not create this icon automatically ??
14:52[~]fxiny feels like reading somenelse mail
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14:53<kop>esaym :
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14:54<esaym>got it
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14:54<esaym>kop: that is one heck of a script
14:54<kop>esaym : Email me feedback if you happen to find a bug.
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14:55<esaym>I got to figure it out first :p
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14:55<kop>esaym : It's grown over the last year or so. :)
14:55<imbruce>help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows
14:55<imbruce>never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the
14:55<imbruce>icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when
14:55<imbruce>they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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14:55<fxiny>ahhhh now i know what kop means !
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14:56<imbruce>#flood help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows
14:56<imbruce>never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the
14:56<imbruce>icon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when
14:56<imbruce>they are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
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14:56<ranix>hey all, I'm having trouble with bootsplash. I've added the patch via make-kpkg --added-patches bootsplash and when I compiled the kernel I was asked if I wanted to add bootsplash support, I chose yes. The framebuffer is working properly in 1024x768, but I have no bootsplash. What gives? I have splash=silent and vga=791 as kernel arguments, everything seems to be working but no splash screen.
14:56<ranix>sorry to repeat myself ^
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14:57<kop>fxiny : ?
14:57<fxiny>kop: readme file , first line :)
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14:58<kop>fxiny :)
14:58<imbruce>how does one use the flood command?
14:58<ranix>roadrunner and cox have extremely similar IP ranges
14:58<kop>!tell imbruce -about paste
14:58<ranix>imbruce: /join #flood eh?
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14:59<fxiny>sawfish ? last time i saw it was on a freebsd 4.0 box !
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14:59<Maulkin>stew: libfreetype6 2.3.5-1 seems to be the latest in testing according to dak
14:59<kop>fxiny : I kinda like sawfish. (Although can't say when I've last used it.)
14:59<imbruce>I havee a 4 line question
14:59<Maulkin>stew: possible lagging mirror?
14:59<ranix>nobody knows about bootsplash? I guess I'm just a ricer loser :(
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14:59<stew>Maulkin: did you see my wget? i was checking
14:59<kop>imbruce : You can just keep typing and let the line wrap.
15:00<kop>!tell imbruce -about enter
15:01<imbruce> I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows
15:01<imbruce>never autoraise
15:01<imbruce>never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the
15:01<imbruce>iicon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when
15:01<stew>Maulkin: its fixed
15:01<imbruce>tthey are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
15:01<Maulkin>stew: good good
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15:01<stew>Maulkin: it must have changed since the last time we talked about this
15:02<Maulkin>stew: :)
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15:02<stew>Maulkin: no, really, i just hit up arrow and can see different results from the same command
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15:02<stew>Maulkin: thanks for following up
15:02<Player>it's me again )))
15:03<fxiny>kop: i used it on the woody age , debian time . can't remember the year .
15:03<kop>imbruce : I have trouble with gnome. There's some way to get it to show you the sawfish setup screen. There might be an option there.
15:03<imbruce>it use to be ok. but during the sessoin it somehow changed
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15:04<Player>where can i get the SEMC DSS SyncStation driver?
15:04<ranix>sawfish is alright
15:04<fxiny>it is
15:04<fxiny>nice name
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15:05<ranix>I lol at writing lisp code in the rc file though
15:06<fxiny>you too lisping like twb ?
15:06<ranix>I hear that lisp is the only programming language you can teach to HATE YOU
15:07<fxiny>that's in the emacs legend too :P
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15:07<bathat>i cannot get alsa sound to work
15:07<stew>if we were in #emacs someone at this point would probably be claiming that if lisp can do it, scheme can do it better
15:07<stew>bathat: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
15:07<bathat>it used to work, but i've recently reinstalled debian
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15:11<deb_usr>can somebody tell me : why the right margin in gedit is used ??
15:11<ranix>stew: apt-get install alsa alsa-utils
15:11<fxiny>i bet twb will kill himself when reading this scheme nuke line :P
15:11<ranix>stew? no. Bathat
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15:12<bathat>ranix, sound wouldn't work under those two packages
15:12<bathat>i've installed the packages from alsa's website
15:12<fxiny>ohhh he's not in .
15:12<bathat>and run alsaconf, but it still won't work
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15:12<ranix>what kind of audio drivers does alsa detect?
15:13<bathat>nvidia ck804
15:13<ranix>alsa throws a fit when it finds more than one, often
15:13<bathat>which is the correct audio controller
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15:14<mars>who has installed debian via PXE boot ?
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15:14<bathat>how do i stop esound and/or arts, assuming they're started? /etc/init.d?
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15:16<bathat>if i restart alsasound, this is what i see...
15:16<bathat>/usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1329: No soundcards found...
15:17<fgh>how do i unmute soundcard when using OSS?
15:17<bathat>gnome volume control, select oss mixer
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15:19<kop>Does /proc/cpuinfo tell you the actual clock speed, or just what the chip will do?
15:19<mars>who has already installed debian via PXE boot ?
15:21<stew>kop: cpu MHz is actual current speed
15:21<kop>stew : Thanks. (I did it right. I just un-crippled a cheap Fry's box that came with a crippled bios.)
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15:24<haier>who has already installed debian via PXE boot ?
15:24<yangvnc>anyone else lags reading gmail mails?
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15:24<yangvnc>haier: I did some time ago
15:25<bathat>none of the suggestions in alsa checklist work for me
15:25<haier>yangvnc : can i install via PXE debian from another debian ? without internet or cdroms !
15:25<bathat>it always worked in my previous debian installation
15:25<bathat>i couldn't get it to work in Ubuntu either
15:26<yangvnc>haier: yes you tftp boot the PXE image from another linux box
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15:27<fgh>whats the package name for mouse in console?
15:27<haier>yangvnc : are the users in the server machine duplicated in the new installation machine ??
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15:27<kop>fgh : gpm?
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15:28<fxiny>haier: looking for a tutorial ?
15:29<bathat>none of the audio output drivers in mplayer work
15:29<fgh>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:09.0[A] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
15:29<fgh>bad or good?
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15:30<haier>fxiny : no i already have one, but i want to khnow if this type of installation is recommended before i GOoo ! ;-)
15:30<bathat>sorry to nag, but could someone please help me this problem...
15:30<bathat>it's getting really frustrating
15:30<kop>haier : You could look at the installation manual at (I'd bet it's a perfectly fine way to install.)
15:32<haier>kop : thanks !
15:32<haier>kop : i'll test it
15:32<fxiny>haier: i never tried . is on my todo list , i can read from debian-admin that under certain circumstances is "ideal"
15:32<haier>fxiny : sure
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15:34<fgh>bathat: what?
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15:35<bathat>alsa sound does not work
15:35<bathat>and i've tried everything in the alsa checklist
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15:36<bathat>`aplay -l` displays the audio controller
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15:37<bathat>it always worked in my previous debian installation but no longer does
15:38<fxiny>same box ?
15:38<fxiny>are you loading oss modules perhaps ?
15:38<fgh>its not just muted? ...mine was, just got it working, installed a mixer. using OSS though
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15:39<bathat>don't think so, there are no oss modules under /etc/init.d
15:39<fxiny>fgh: a mkxer ? just type alsamixer in a console
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15:39<fxiny>bathat: did you run alsaconf ?
15:39<bathat>and all channels are unmuted in alsamixer
15:40<fxiny>does alsamixer show up ?
15:40<bathat>it picked up my audio controller, intel8x0 nvidia ck804
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15:40<fgh>fxiny: im not using alsa, as i said.
15:40<fxiny>any other mixer on your way ? what desktop are you running ?
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15:41<bathat>i've always used alsa and it has worked great
15:41<fxiny>bathat: are you running gnome or kde ?
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15:42<fxiny>must be esound
15:43<bathat>how do i stop esound?
15:43<fxiny>kill it
15:43<bathat>it's not started, according to ps
15:43<fxiny>bathat: any mixer ?
15:43<bathat>and it's not under /etc/init.d
15:44<oxymor00n>look for esd
15:44<bathat>nothing for esd either
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15:44<bathat>there was an oss mixer under gnome volume control, but it disappeared
15:45<Alk3>whats a good package to install to manage memory and disk quotas?
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15:45<oxymor00n>bathat: i have some intel chip as well, sure they are actually unmuted and not muted?
15:45<lupine_85>memory quotas? as in RAM?
15:46<Alk3>yes lupine
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15:46<un>hi, i am new to linux/debian and got some problems with installing my X1400 ati card. Some channel I can ask for help?
15:46<lupine_85>didn't know you could limit how much ram a user could use outside a VM
15:47<bathat>oxymor00n: according to alsamixer they are
15:47<fxiny>a vmware ?
15:47<Alk3>lupine_85: thats what i am trying ti figure out
15:47<fxiny>you can set it from the server gui
15:47<lupine_85>virtual machine
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15:48<lupine_85>I'd be doing it inside a VM if I had to limit it... probablt Xen
15:48<Alk3>its a VPS running a xen kernel
15:48<Alk3>trying to keep user RAm usage low
15:48<Alk3>so i can keep it for other things
15:48<lupine_85>heh. xen in xen probably doesn't work :D
15:48<fxiny>i'm not running xen yet : but i WILL !
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15:49<oxymor00n>bathat: sorry if i sound stupid, but are there two OO under the bars? otherwise you have to press MM (it is a common problem, so please don't feel offended)
15:50<Alk3>its a VPS powered by Xen
15:50<Alk3>thats what my spec say
15:50<bathat>they are all 00s
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15:50<bathat>so they're unmuted
15:50<bathat>you think oss might work better?
15:51<oxymor00n>no, not really
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15:51<bathat>it's not possible that my architecture is messing it up
15:51<bathat>i was using i386 but now it's amd64
15:51<Alk3>lupine_85: do you know of a way to limit RAM usage per user?
15:52<lupine_85>not without using a VM, no
15:52<oxymor00n>bathat: i don't have expierience with 64 bit systems. i wouldn't rule it out
15:52<lupine_85>disk is easy enough - just mount their /home/user onto a device of the correct size
15:52<bathat>ah, great...
15:52<bathat>i hope that's not it
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15:54<oxymor00n>have you looked up your card on ?
15:54<fxiny>if alsamixer shows up alsa works
15:54<bathat>is that right... i didn't know that
15:54<oxymor00n>how did you test sound, only thing i can think of is that it is muted in gstreamer
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15:55<oxymor00n>or gstreamer gets something wrong, wrong output-pipe
15:55<fxiny>it detects the cards so it must work . what was that "disappeared" mixer ?
15:55<bathat>oss disappeared from gnome volume control
15:55<cahoot>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
15:56<bathat>nothing :(
15:56<bathat>cat /proc/kcore>/dev/dsp doesn't even work
15:57<bathat>oxymor00n: how do i check gstreamer?
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15:57<oxymor00n>but if aplay doesn't work that doesn't sound like it's the problem
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15:58<bathat>hmm, here's something interesting...
15:58<proton>hi guys,
15:58<bathat>gstreamer-properties says 'unsupported' for output device
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15:58<fxiny>bathat: check application >sound&video > volume control
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15:59<fxiny>and then to double check esd is off .open : volume monitor
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16:00<bathat>cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompty
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16:01<osvaldo>alguien habla castellano?
16:01<fxiny>what about volume control ?
16:01<bathat>but what's up with this unsupported output device in gstreamer-properties/
16:01<oxymor00n>can you change it to alsa?
16:01<bathat>ah, that worked
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16:02<bathat>still no sound though
16:02<oxymor00n>then there should be a test button and you should hear a sound
16:02<oxymor00n>ah damn
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16:02<bathat>i appreciate all the help so far though
16:02<fxiny>still waiting : did you find volume control ?
16:03<fxiny>is it up ?
16:03<bathat>oh sorry, what about it?
16:03<fxiny>sound&vido menu > colume control
16:03<proton>hi guys a noob here, i have a dual boot problem
16:03<bathat>all channels are unmuted if that's what you're asking
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16:05<bathat>i just ran apt-get and it says linux-sound-base is no longer required
16:05<bathat>not sure why
16:06<fxiny>bathat: desktop > preferences > multimedia system selector : is it set to alsa ?
16:07<fxiny>yes : next to places : desktop menu
16:08<bathat>sorry, i don't use GUIs too often
16:08<fxiny>mee to . i' am a flux user . just booted a gnome box to check it up
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16:08<bathat>you mean System>Preferences?
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16:10<fxiny>i see it on top panel > desktop >preferences
16:10<fxiny>i hate menu
16:10<bathat>hmm, i'm not seeing it
16:10<bathat>haha yeha
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16:11<bathat>i wish i knew the command for it
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16:12<fxiny>ahhh is gstreamer ok ok , i need to boot this box at least once per month :)
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16:13<fxiny>have you already checked gstreamer ?
16:13<bathat>gstreamer-properties? yes
16:14<fxiny>i don't see any gstreamer properties window but a "multimedia sustem selector" .
16:14<bathat>ah, that's the command for it
16:15<bathat>the title of the window is multimedia system selector
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16:15<fxiny>is output autodetect or alsa ?
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16:15<bathat>it was, but i changed it to alsa
16:16<bathat>i wonder what the deal is
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16:16<bathat>maybe it's because of my x64_64 arch
16:17<fxiny>and volume control cursors all up . hmmm strange
16:17<bathat>that's the only thing i can think of that is different
16:17<lupine_85>nah, I have functioning sound on x86_64 here
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16:17<bathat>oh good
16:17<lupine_85>can you get any sound at all?
16:17<lupine_85>speakers plugged in? ;)
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16:18<fxiny>you never know ...
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16:18<lupine_85>I sat here once, for 30 minutes, looking for help...
16:18<fxiny>a cat like mine runnig wild
16:18<lupine_85>well, not *here*
16:18<bathat>ah! very good idea
16:18<lupine_85>...stupid speaker cables
16:18<bathat>i have an extension and it's possible it was unplugged
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16:18<bathat>as a matter of fact, i bet you're right since i've been messing with my machine
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16:19[~]fxiny loads the spit-nuke
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16:19[~]lupine_85 feels the anticipation building
16:20<lupine_85>you know, it's hardly a flood if you paste slowly to avoid the floodboty
16:20<fxiny>pil ? get drunk next !
16:20<bathat>OMG i'm an idiot
16:20|-|mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
16:20<bathat>why didn't i check that, of all things!!!
16:20|-|mode/#debian [+q LollopiL!*@*] by Ganneff
16:20<bathat>i've been messing around with this for a really long time, in Ubuntu too
16:20<fxiny>that's it : down the lollo gutter
16:21<bathat>i could have been watching videos all this time :P
16:21<lupine_85>well, you'll never do it again
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16:21<bathat>_that's_ right, good point
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16:22<fxiny>time of the wolf again ?
16:22<lupine_85>The empire of the wolf will rise again!
16:23<Ganneff>i wonder how you find a link to the channels topic with that... :)
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16:23<ranix>his audio cable was unplugged
16:23<fxiny>lupine_85: mech warrior ?
16:23<ranix>that would indeed cause alsa to malfunction
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16:23<Ganneff>ranix: nah, also does work perfectly well.
16:23<lupine_85>fxiny: nah. Dr Who
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16:23<lupine_85>Also latin
16:23<ranix>Ganneff: however, it's not producing the desired effect
16:24<Ganneff>but it works.
16:24<Ganneff>like kde - works too, but doesnt produce any desired effect
16:24<lupine_85>ooh, harsh
16:24<ranix>I laughed
16:24[~]lupine_85 hugs his KDE
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16:24<fxiny>it does, but i can't tell what effects :P
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16:24<Ganneff>it has one effect - make the desktop slow.
16:25<Ganneff>which is actually good for business - you need to buy more ram and cpu.
16:25<Ganneff>damn, now im offtopic.
16:25[~]Ganneff hits himself
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16:25<fxiny>but then the smartass fluxers get the things right with speed :)
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16:25<ranix>flux got boring
16:25|-|mode/#debian [-q Dalale!*@*] by Ganneff
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16:26<ranix>It's perhaps too good
16:26<ranix>it leaves me wanting nothing
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16:27<max>is apache needed for a fileserver
16:27<max>on a LAN
16:27<petemc>not unless its serving files over http
16:27<EmleyMoor>max: Do you want to serve files by http?
16:28<lupine_85>I got KDE working with 128MB RAM and a P3-600. /that/ was slow
16:28<max>would I use nfs
16:28<ranix>I use samba
16:28<fxiny>everything is a file : i do serve debs with apache on my lan : apt-cacher
16:28<lupine_85>max: you could use FTP, anything-over-ssh... lots of options
16:28<@Ganneff>max: depends on what you want. "fileserver" is not specific enough to give you any help
16:28<max>would ssh be any slower than just sending it through the router to the other computers on the LAN
16:29<lupine_85>a little slower. Not much
16:29<@Ganneff>define "just sending"
16:29<lupine_85>heh, you could even use netcat
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16:29<lupine_85>/that/ would be "just sending"
16:29<ranix>netcat definitely qualifies as "just sending"
16:29<fxiny>ohhh yeahhh
16:29<max>ok fileserver-- we just want a computer full of music and have the other LAN computers play it
16:29<rasvanel>i am having a problem with a debian instalation
16:30<ranix>are the other computers windows
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16:30<fxiny>it really rocks !
16:30<rasvanel>a little help pls ? :)
16:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:30<max>hmmm... mostly all LInux
16:30<fxiny>i'm addiced to xmms2
16:30<ranix>xmms2 is good?
16:30<fxiny>very good
16:30<ranix>I will have to try it
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16:30<ranix>vlc is buggy
16:31<lupine_85>something-over-ssh is going to be the simplest to set up
16:31<rasvanel>aha 10x dpkg
16:31<ranix>10x = thanks?
16:31<max>lupine: how do I deal with DHCP on my lan and the ssh
16:31<lupine_85>I use sshfs in linux; there's a program that'll mount a folder over ssh to a network drive in windows, but I forget it's name
16:31<ranix>wow I feel like my head has been invaded by the pop cell phone generation
16:31<fxiny>i don't like running gonzo which is the etch xmms2 version : i'd love to run jekill !
16:32<lupine_85>max: give your server an infinite lease?
16:32<lupine_85>Or take it off DHCP. DHCP is los.
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16:32<ranix>I like dhcp
16:32<@Ganneff>dhcp is good.
16:32<lupine_85>or, you know, you could use hostnames
16:32<lupine_85>DHCP + infinite leases is perhaps the best of both worldws
16:32<max>hostnames will work in place of IP even over ssh
16:33<@Ganneff>max: what you probably want is an ftp server serving all files to anoynmous. thats simplest setup
16:33<ranix>how about just configuring the dhcp server properly
16:33<@Ganneff>lupine_85: no.
16:33<ranix>so the same mac is always assigned a static ip
16:33<@Ganneff>max: next step would be a streaming server. ask google, there are some howtos
16:33<rasvanel>I have a problem with debian instalation; I'm running Debian version lastest. when I try to do make the partitions I get the following output "". I expected it to do ___
16:33<lupine_85>IME, an ftp server is more hassle to set up than an ssh server
16:34<@Ganneff>rasvanel: try again.
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16:34<ranix>rasvanel: Oooh, you need to install man
16:34<ranix>rasvanel: apt-get install man
16:34<@Ganneff>lupine_85: no. anonymous ftp means just one time config. ssh needs a user for everyone and their ability to use ssh/scp
16:34<lupine_85>and logging in to the ftp and copying out the file every time you want to play a track would quickly become boring
16:34<@Ganneff>lupine_85: which many do not have.
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16:34<ranix>don't forget to fsck the man, or else it might not mount properly
16:34<lupine_85>for a small lan, that's hardly an issue
16:34<rasvanel>Input/Output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus1/traget1/lun0/disc
16:35<ranix>your hard drive is bad
16:35<rasvanel>i am suspecting a bad on my disk ?
16:35<ranix>yeah, fsck it
16:35<fxiny>ranix: sqlite3 queries on medialib.db , connections to streamripper , icymetaint plugin to digimport : that's how the addictions get my brain !
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16:35<rasvanel>can i bypass this bad ?
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16:35<@Ganneff>rasvanel: yes, buy a new disk
16:35<max>lupine and Ganneff: is there a way to just have my server show up as a folder full of music on the clients?
16:36<@Ganneff>rasvanel: you can bypass it, but then you can also put your data into /dev/null, same effect
16:36<@Ganneff>max: samba or nfs, depending on the clients OS
16:36<ranix>rasvanel: when your drive starts to get bad sectors/clusters, you should get a new disk
16:36<@Ganneff>max: as you say "folder" i bet its samba
16:36<ranix>if it's under warranty you should RMA it
16:36<max>yeah, I am still a bit plauged by windows vocab
16:36<max>thanks though
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16:37<rasvanel>there maybe someting else , i'm usinf a 40gb hhd.. but my mother board does not detect it so i am using limitotion on my hdd ... can this be it ?
16:37<ranix>rasvanel: probably not
16:38<ranix>rasvanel: if your motherboard does not detect your hard drive you are probably confused
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16:39<fxiny>does it get 30G something ?
16:39<rasvanel>my motherboard detects only 31,1 Gb
16:39<rasvanel>and the debian instalating detects 41,1Gb
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16:40<fxiny>debian does it better : always :P
16:40<ranix>rasvanel: I don't believe it
16:40<EmleyMoor>rasvanel: That is to be expected - Debian doesn't use the BIOS and is therefore not subject to its limitations
16:40<fxiny>fetora should get 30M ony :P
16:40<EmleyMoor>ranix: You are Victor Meldrew and I claim my 7 Euros
16:41<ranix>if the IDE controller doesn't understand 40 jiggabytes it can still use the drive?
16:41<lupine_85>as long as it's not 40 jiggawatts, you're fine
16:41<rasvanel>i had windows on it yesterday
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16:41[~]EmleyMoor declines to yap - he's not a small dog <g>
16:41<max>what other packages would I need besides nfs to share those music files?
16:41<ranix>I need at least 1.2 jiggawatts to power my porn influx capacitor
16:42<ranix>max: if I was you I would use samba
16:42<ranix>on the server, you want samba, and on the clients you want smbfs
16:42<rasvanel>do you have any ideeas on how can i continue the instalation with this problem ?
16:42<max>I will give it a shot
16:43<EmleyMoor>rasvanel: Other than excluding the failing part of the disk, it's not easy
16:43<ranix>max: man samba might confuse you, try checking out man smb.conf first
16:44<max>confusion is emminent
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16:44<max>I'm ready though
16:44[~]CR_ 24 @ 2;
16:44<ranix>As you wish, your emminency
16:45<max>is there a way to be on the IRC and do other stuff at the same time
16:45<ranix>I want caffeinated beverage
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16:45<ranix>alt control f1-f6
16:45|-|a changed nick to Amir
16:45<fxiny>hmmm . another wierd nick i suppose ...
16:45<fxiny>a lollo wanna be ?
16:45<ranix>also, screen
16:45<max>i like max
16:45<EmleyMoor>max: Certainly - just do the other stuff in another terminal - or xterm if you're using X
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16:45<max>I'm not using X
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16:46<max>whoa! cool. thanks
16:46<fxiny>be leet : screen yourself up
16:46<ranix>you may exclude ctrl when not in X
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16:46<ranix>max: apt-get install screen
16:47<max>ok, I've heard of that
16:47<ranix>also, the best command line irc client is irssi
16:47<ranix>best command line aim client is pork
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16:47<fxiny>of course : screen churches at every corner ...
16:47<max>I am running Irssi
16:48<ranix>I didn't realize bitchx sucked until I used irssi for a week
16:48<lupine_85>irssi ftw
16:48<fxiny>hahahah : yeahhhh
16:48<ranix>the home key brings you to the beginning of the line instead of scrolling the chat window all the way up
16:48<ranix>that was retarded
16:48<max>so F1-F6 I can use all separately
16:48<ranix>f7 is X
16:49<ranix>if you run X
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16:49<ranix>for epic win enable the framebuffer so you can still do graphical things from the command line
16:49<max>ok, what is a very basic, slimmed down gui just in case I ever need it
16:49<ranix>like gaia or mplayer
16:49<lupine_85>X + fbpanel ?
16:49<max>like the one on Damn Small
16:49<lupine_85>that's about as basic as it gets
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16:49<ranix>I don't know fbpanel
16:50<lupine_85>it's, um, just a panel
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16:50<max>how do I install that
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16:50[~]EmleyMoor is highly impressed with the Gnome desktop (standard on Debian) but that's not small
16:50<fxiny>you run screen , ok ? and irssi , ok ? how can you ignore fluxbox ? you cannot !
16:50<ranix>gnome is aids
16:50<ranix>kde is aids
16:50<lupine_85> <------ X + fbpanel + beryl
16:50<ranix>gnome is gonnhorea
16:50<EmleyMoor>It has proven its worth today
16:50<lupine_85>fbpanel at the bottom
16:50<EmleyMoor>ranix: No wonder I applaud it
16:51<fxiny>nop jokes : gnome is very good
16:51<lupine_85>NOP NOP NOP
16:51<max>ok, more dumb beginner questions, is there a way to scroll up this conversation or copy it
16:51<fxiny>it is . i don't use it but gnome has improved like no other desktops
16:51<max>too much to remember
16:52<ranix>fxiny: that's a nifty panel
16:52<EmleyMoor>max: In irssi, Esc p - Esc n to go down
16:52<simonrvn>pgup, max
16:52<ranix>beryl is lame though
16:52<lupine_85>as for copy & paste... screen lets you, but I forget how
16:52<lupine_85>it was fun while it lasted
16:52<JasonS>as well as page up and down depending on your term max
16:53<fxiny>beryl ? who wants to play with cubic desktops when there are wonders like xen and , why not, hard games like se-linux ?
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16:53<ranix>wait until this box is downloading torrents and usenet feeds for you, fxiny
16:53<ranix>what is xen
16:53<lupine_85>beryl + xen can be fun
16:53<lupine_85>a different OS on each side of the cube
16:54<max>whoa, that would be cool
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16:54<ranix>oh nevermind, a vm
16:54<fxiny>ranix: torrents ? do you think i'm so dumb ? i do rafting (rtorrent) and streamripping :)
16:54<lupine_85>well, unless you'd prefer to have 3-4 boxes sitting next to you
16:54<fxiny>but i do xmms2 and you don't :)
16:54<lupine_85>then you could VNC or FreeNX them
16:55<ranix>sorry fxiny, I meant to say max there
16:55<fxiny>ranix: no worries :)
16:55<ranix>you do xmms2, but I do exim4
16:56<fxiny>max: join the beautiful people (irrsi tm) club ?
16:56<twb>Help! Mail generated by cruft(8) and popularity-contest are regularly rejected by my postfix MTA, and I don't know why.
16:57<fxiny>twb: hahah . you've lost a couple of jokes about lisp :)
16:57<fxiny>something about scheme .... :P
16:57<fxiny>whick nails the lisper at the wall :P
16:58<EmleyMoor>I would like the module "kqemu" to load automatically if an attempt is made to access /dev/kqemu - what do I add in /etc/modprobe.d?
16:58<twb>EmleyMoor: add "kqemu" or "kqemu major=0" to /etc/modules. I forget which is needed for current versions.
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16:59<max>fxiny, what is that club?
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16:59<twb>EmleyMoor: I assume you're using the version in main, not Etch's non-free version
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16:59<EmleyMoor>twb: At present, I am using etch's non-free version simply because the free one does not seem to be in etch
16:59<themill>EmleyMoor: have you installed kqemu-common
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16:59<EmleyMoor>themill: Yes
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17:00<fxiny>max: "the irrsi for beautifull people only club" , see irssi home page :)
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17:01<themill>EmleyMoor: then you should be able to just add kqemu to /etc/modules. the major= stuff is taken care of by kqemu-common
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17:01<twb>EmleyMoor: correct, nor will it enter Etch.
17:01<twb>themill: ah, good.
17:01<EmleyMoor>themill: That's a little more permanent than what I was thinking
17:02<ranix>!tell me about kqemu
17:02<EmleyMoor>I will do that in the meantime though
17:02<lupine_85>well, it doesn't much matter if the module's loaded or not if nothing is using it
17:02<lupine_85>you could just have a wrapper script for qemu if you absolutely must have it unloaded when not being used
17:02<EmleyMoor>via-rhine and psmouse are loaded but I always need those
17:03<EmleyMoor>I don't need to unload it as a rule
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17:05<EmleyMoor>kqemu is only of mild use at present though - it only partially works to run Debian and doesn't work for BSDs... still, it seems to fully work for ReactOS
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17:05<ranix>Is there both a kqemu in etch and one on non-free?
17:06<EmleyMoor>ranix: The one for etch is non-free
17:06<EmleyMoor>Later versions are in main, but only in lenny and later
17:06<ranix>I guess they changed the license for later versions, but are unable to change the license for the previous release
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17:07[~]EmleyMoor must find the PSU for his scanner
17:08<ranix>wow some retards made a graphical frontend for qemu using kde
17:08<ranix>guess what they called it
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17:09<ranix>why does everything gnome have a G prefix and everything KDE has a K prefix
17:10<ranix>while everything Apple has an i prefix
17:10<themill>ranix: everything for gnome has a sodding gnome-blah-foo- prefix...
17:10<ranix>oh right
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17:10<lupine_85>don't forget aKregator
17:10<themill>actually, kde is moving away from the K think for the most part.
17:10<EmleyMoor>Any single letter prefix you can come up with will likely be ambiguous
17:11<lupine_85>it's pretty annoying ;)
17:11[~]EmleyMoor has a Windows box to repair now
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17:11<themill>we feel your pain
17:11[~]lupine_85 gives EmleyMoor an Etch install CD
17:11<EmleyMoor>Don't you mean my pane? <g>
17:11<lupine_85>healing begins with "format c:"
17:11<EmleyMoor>I wish - David uses my machine when he wants to use Linix
17:11<themill>"It said 'winxp or better' so I installed etch"
17:12<ranix>like gnome-icon-theme-dlg-neu
17:12<themill>that's the one :)
17:12<ranix>is that really necessary
17:12<themill>it's certainly unambiguous....
17:12<ranix>It invokes my tl;dr response
17:13<ranix>as if conjuring it from thin air
17:13<ranix>too long; didn't read
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17:13[~]themill looks around his desktop and sees Konversation, Kontact, Kwrite*many, Kdevelop, kpdf*many and sighs
17:14<themill>too many K's in one place
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17:14<ranix>seriously what the hell is that
17:14<themill>!info kdevelop etch
17:14<ranix>that's the name of the program you spent how many hours on?
17:14<dpkg>kdevelop: (An IDE for Unix/X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7944 kB, Installed size: 24684 kB
17:14<themill>that was useful.... thanks dpkg.
17:14<themill>it's an IDE for Qt and KDE apps
17:15<ranix>If I spent 1000 manhours on a projectr
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17:15<themill>also does nicely for PHP, Java, C# bindings are in the works
17:15<ranix>I would at least take a one hour coffee break with a pad and pen and come up with a name that didn't suck
17:15<themill>sounds better than Visual Studio :)
17:15<ranix>not in my opinion
17:16<themill>actually, the K and G thing are a pig when you're looking for things in alphabetical order in a list... (e.g. /usr/bin...)
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17:16<ranix>well without the K its name would be 'develop'
17:16<ranix>apt-cache search ide
17:17<ranix>well, gotta avoid that like the plague
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17:17<ranix>package would get more downloads if its name was do-not-download
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17:18<themill>Actually, I quite like kdevelop. I've used it a lot for a couple of PHP apps over the past couple of years. Nice syntax completion bits etc. And apparently it's even better for C and C++ but I've not tried it much with them yet.
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17:18<lupine_85>good with C++
17:18<lupine_85>less good with ruby
17:19<ranix>I use vim for php
17:19<lupine_85>showoff :p
17:19<lupine_85>I use kate for most things
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17:21<themill>I used to use kate for lots but then it started getting too heavy (sessions etc) and all I really wanted was kwrite most of the time...
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17:22<ranix>I can't use anything but vim as a text editor
17:22<ranix>I don't really write C
17:22<ranix>I've used Eclipse as a java ide before
17:22<themill>I love vim.... but I just start cracking it when I get to a big project that's spread across multiple files.
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17:29<guillaume>I add modules to iceweasel and obtain segmentation fault, I try to restart it with safe-mode but it fail, what can I do ? I search iceweasel profil for my user account but don't know where to search. I made a strace but don't know how to identify what's wrong
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17:30<themill>guillaume: your profile is in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/
17:32<guillaume>themill: the problem occur when I add timer module (for calculate load time of pages) to iceweasel
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17:32<guillaume>themill: can I have an access to a list of module load by this profile ?
17:33<ranix>correct term is plugin, not module
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17:33<ranix>module is confusing me
17:33<themill>extension, actually
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17:35<themill>guillaume: you there is an extensions.ini file in there that lists the extensions to be loaded by iceweasel. unfortunately, they are all refered to by GUID not name.
17:36<themill>guillaume: I presume you don't want to delete your entire profile and start again, so try editing that ini file.
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17:36<themill>guillaume: make sure you back your profile up first though :)
17:37<themill>guillaume: within each GUID named directory, there's an install.rdf file that contains the name of the extension so you can see which one to delete.
17:37<guillaume>themill: thank you for all :)
17:37<themill>guillaume: well... I just hope that works for you!
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17:39<guillaume>themill: I see that strace report some errors with iceweasel like (Inappropriate ioctl for device) or (No such file or directory) it doesn't matter ?
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17:47<EmleyMoor>Done - not too bad in the end
17:47<EmleyMoor>(if it fails again it needs either a new battery or a new motherboard)
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17:48<themill>guillaume: I don't know, sorry. #mozilla on freenode might be a better bet.
17:48<themill>guillaume: but it's probably not a problem. just searching for directories to see if they exist
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17:49<guillaume>themill: thk for all I clean the extension and all start again without pb
17:49<themill>guillaume: safe mode should let you do that without hacking around in your profile
17:49<guillaume>Load Time Analyzer 1.5 module crashed iceweasel
17:50<guillaume>themill: I try it but it fail
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17:50<themill>guillaume: hmm.... iceweasel -safe-mode should prevent all extensions loading.
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17:53<guillaume>themill: i think that it's another pb as I'm on dell laptop I have pb with hwclock, maybe this module use this command for timestamp or something like that
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17:58<casp>hello debianiras
17:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:59<panagos>if openoffice uses neither qt nor gtk, then what does it use?
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18:01<skrewz>panagos: QT and GTK aren't the only widget systems around.
18:02<ranix>YES THEY ARE
18:02<panagos>skrewz: but what does oo use? something of its own?
18:02<themill>iirc, yes
18:03<skrewz>panagos: I don't know. But the X11 protocol doesn't call for using a widget system, only encourages it.
18:04<skrewz>themill: If that was aimed at me, I have a counterexample: wxWidgets.
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18:07<hever>Hello. I've got an AMD64 Desktop CPU and 512 MB and I'm going to install a new Debian System. Is it performant for me to run 64 bit mode ???
18:08<ifvoid>with only 512MB, I'd advice you to run 32 bit mode
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18:08<ranix>doesn't matter hever
18:08<ifvoid>sure it matters
18:08<ranix>you can if you want
18:08<ifvoid>64 bit uses quite a lot more memory
18:08<ifvoid>and 512MB isn't too much
18:09<ifvoid>there no need at all to run 64 bit
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18:09<ifvoid>unless you like hacking in the system to get flash to work, and stuff like that
18:09<ranix>how do you screw that up, really
18:09<hever>;) When do I need 64bit ?
18:10<ranix>int i = ubyte4 j or what
18:10<hever>just on servers ?
18:10<ifvoid>hever: if you have more than 2 GB of memory, or if you run processes that use more than 1GB of memory
18:10<skrewz>ifvoid: However, you shouldn't advise using legacy solutions.
18:10<ifvoid>it's not a legacy solution
18:11<ifvoid>32 bit is very well supported
18:11<hever>I think it'll be a 32bit system
18:11<skrewz>ifvoid: I'd argue it is. You'll sacrifice forwards compatability with the 64bit world for stability of current-day software.
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18:11<hever>thanks for your help !
18:11<ifvoid>"forwards compatability with the 64bit world"
18:12<ranix>my world is 128 bits
18:12<ifvoid>256bit ftw!
18:12<ranix>it's twice as good as yours
18:12<ranix>256 bits are for fat americans
18:12<hever>And much fun on the 64 bit discussion ;) (sorry)
18:12<ifvoid>I'm not american!
18:12<ifvoid>hever: oh, no prob
18:12<ranix>then you should be using 128!
18:12<ifvoid>hever: you asked an honest question
18:12<ifvoid>nothing wrong with that
18:13<ranix>this discussion happens daily regardless
18:13<ifvoid>fwiw, IMO there's no reason whatsoever for normal computer users to switch to 64 bit yet
18:13<ifvoid>it will only cause headaches
18:14<ranix>but "forwards combatability with the 64 bit world" is up there with the series of tubes imo
18:14<ifvoid>there no such thing like "forwards compatibility"
18:14<skrewz>ifvoid: To be honest, I haven't had neither problems running amd64 or any wishes to run 32 bit executables.
18:14<ifvoid>all your files will just be 32 bit
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18:14<ifvoid>8 bit
18:14<ifvoid>and you can witch whenever you want
18:14<skrewz>ifvoid: USB1.1 is forwards compatible with USB2.0.
18:15<ifvoid>USB2.0 is backwards comaptible with USB 1.1
18:15<ifvoid>that;s something totally different
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18:15<ranix>my computer is compatable with usb from the front but not from behind
18:15<skrewz>ifvoid: No, the other way around. Cronologically, though, it's USB2's design that made USB1.1 forwards compatible, though.
18:16<ranix>it is forwards compatable and not backward compatable
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18:16<ifvoid>skrewz: no, usb 1.1 devices don't work on pure usb 2.0 connections
18:17<ranix>skrewz: compatability is not a big truck. You can't just dump something on it, and it only moves backwards
18:17<ifvoid>its the usb 2.0 chips that have 1.1 compatibility layers
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18:19<skrewz>ifvoid: You're discussing backwards compatibility; the ability of new hardware to support old devices. Forwards compatibility is old hardware supporting new devices. Which USB2-oriented devices are suggested to do, so that they will work -- albeit slower -- on USB1.1-connections.
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18:20<ifvoid>it's the new hardware supporting the old devices in this case
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18:20<ifvoid>either way arounf
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18:20<skrewz>ifvoid: The same happens bus-wise in PCI-express. 1x-devices may be put in 16x-ports (they should fit, too), but the bus sees no problem in mounting 16x-oriented devices such as graphics cards in a 1x-slot. Except that it won't fit. And that it's not a legacy support issue.
18:20<ranix>if a gamecube was forwards compatable with a wii, it would play gamecube games and wii games
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18:20<ranix>therefore, it would be a wii
18:21<ranix>ergo, "forwards-compatable" is retarded
18:21<ifvoid>skrewz: that has _northing_ to do with backward compatibility
18:21<ifvoid>ranix: and here, it's even nonsensical
18:22<skrewz>ifvoid: As I stated. But the principle is the same: Low-speed hardware accepting high-speed devices.
18:22<ifvoid>it's the high speed devices having a special compatibilty layer for the old devices
18:23<ifvoid>anyway, I'm off to bed
18:23<ranix>in this conversation, we invent words and defend them to the death claiming they are real
18:23<ranix>next up: configurator
18:23<skrewz>ifvoid, ranix. You take your -- retarded, I might add -- stands. I take mine.
18:24<ranix>hey I'm not disagreeing with you
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18:24<ranix>hand on, I have to configurize my toaster to support waffles
18:24<skrewz>ranix: What's this calling forwards-compatibility retarded, then?
18:24<ranix>brb, configurizing
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18:41<ryanCH>when i boot the debian install CDROM, it freezes when in the text mode configuration after the boot options, what is wrong?
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18:44<kop>ryanCH : What's the last thing it says?
18:45<ryanCH>well, the only thing i remember is that, if i try the boot option "noapic" then it works
18:45<ryanCH>but will this effect when linux tries to start after the install?
18:46<kop>ryanCH : Dunno. But you can put that same boot option in so it's used when the installed system boots.
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18:47<kop>ryanCH : There should be a place in the installer for special boot options. (See install manual.) But you might just want to wait until rebooting after the install.
18:47<kop>ryanCH : If you use grub as the bootloader you can type "c" and change the kernel command line options.
18:47<kop>ryanCH : (or use the install cd as a rescue disk, but grub is easier.)
18:48<kop>ryanCH : Then you'd modify /boot/boot/grub/menu.1st (iirc) and re-run update-grub.
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18:48<kop>ryanCH : That'd make it permanent.
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18:49<dem0n>how do u open the root file system there is a command it starts with an n any one know it
18:49<imbruce>help! I somehow set my window manager so that newly created windows
18:49<loserbar>what do you want to open it in?
18:50<imbruce>never autoraise. I have to go and click the "on top" option on the
18:50<ranix>open the root file system?
18:50<guillaume>is there a flash player for amd64 ?
18:50<imbruce>iicon to fix it. Is there a way to set new windows to autoraise when
18:50<imbruce>tthey are created? I am running sawfish and gnome.
18:50<loserbar>i dunno dem0n are you root?
18:50<ranix>how do you open a file system
18:51<dem0n>no its a command u type in the terminal and it brgs a folder up and it says root file system some say its dangrous
18:51<ranix>I am having mental images of my computer doing a goatse
18:51<loserbar>root filesystem is /
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18:52<kop>dem0n : I don't think you mean root file system. I think you mean root user. Regardless, you'll probably find what you want by looking at the reference manual at
18:52<dem0n>no it gives u root permissions on the file system .......
18:52<kop>dem0n : "su -" in any terminal window will make you the root user, if you know the password.
18:52<dem0n>not that eather it is in a folder
18:52<dem0n>it starts a folder
18:53<loserbar>oh you mean /root
18:53<loserbar>thats basically the home folder for root
18:53<kop>dem0n : As in, "opens a window on the screen"?
18:53<loserbar>theres nothing in there unless you put something in there as root
18:53<dem0n>-.- no you go to terminal and type sudo nuitls or something like that
18:53<dem0n>and yes kop
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18:53<guillaume>:( no flash player under lenny amd64 ???
18:54<kop>dem0n : You know it begins with "n"?
18:54<loserbar>well there is no nutils afaik
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18:54<loserbar>and its supposed to open the /root folder?
18:54<kop>dem0n : Then do : su -, then type n and the tab key twice. That will show all the commands beginning with n.
18:55<dem0n>thats what it was
18:55<loserbar>thats just a file manager
18:55<kop>dem0n : Then you can hit the backspace key for a while and then type "exit" to get back to your usual user window.
18:55<loserbar>are you using gnome dem0n
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18:55<dem0n>yes loser why?
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18:55<kop>dem0n : Why would you want to go into nautilus as root? T
18:56<loserbar>kop maybe he wants to mv files graphically as root
18:56<loserbar>i do it sometimes when im feeling lazy
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18:56<dem0n>because i gotta edit a file with root permissions and its not letting me do it in terminal
18:56<kop>loserbar : Sure. But he sounds like he could be dangerous.
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18:56<loserbar>well it depends on what he wants to do
18:57<kop>dem0n : Ah. You need to start your editor as root. What editor do you use?
18:57<guillaume>loserbar: cmd line is not more easy ?
18:57<dem0n>i had to delet a file
18:57<kop>guillaume : It is, 98% of the time. There's a few things the gui is good for.
18:57<dem0n>i am working with ehcp and its not working correctly
18:57<loserbar>guillaume, cmd is easier yes, but when youre in a maze of folders that you dont exactly know like a map
18:57<loserbar>you know...?
18:58<kop>dem0n : Oh. You don't need to edit a file for that.
18:58<guillaume>kop: that's i think to, with ; and && it's often quicker
18:58<dem0n>well could you help me get it working kop do you know how?
18:58<guillaume>loserbar: I use tab when it's the case
18:58<kop>dem0n : You might be well served by reading the basic unix commands in the debian reference manual.
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18:58<kop>dem0n : Ask. We'll see.
18:59<dem0n>kop can you please help me get ehcp
18:59<loserbar>guillaume true, true, usually i just open the shell from the folder im in and work from there
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18:59<loserbar>sometimes you have to do things differently depending on what it is youre doing ;)
18:59<kop>dem0n : Ask here and if somebody knows and has time they'll answer.
18:59<kop>dem0n : You mean dhcp?
19:00<kop>dem0n : What's wrong? (while I go look it up.)
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19:00<loserbar>geez ehcp isnt even in wikipedia
19:00<dem0n>it wont start
19:01<kop>dem0n : It's a daemon?
19:02<loserbar>did you try starting with /etc/init.d/* start as root?
19:02<loserbar>check htop or something like that to see what services you have running
19:03<kop>dem0n : It should be putting messages in /var/log/daemon.log. Unless it's doing something odd, in which case it's probably putting messages somewhere in /var/log/ but could be putting them anywhere.
19:03<kop>dem0n : So, look there (as the root user) and see if it's telling you what's wrong.
19:04<kop>dem0n : If it's not there you'll have to read it's directions to see about finding whatever error message it's showing.
19:04<dem0n>ok screw it tell me how to remove it
19:04<dem0n>please :D
19:04<loserbar>how to remove what, ehcp?
19:04<loserbar>or the service
19:05<guillaume>there is still no better way than chroot for flash player under amd64 ?
19:05<loserbar>because if you want to remove the thing entirely that would depend on how you installed it in the first place
19:05<dem0n>and services it installed
19:05<loserbar>i dont think its in the debian repo is it?
19:05<loserbar>did you compile it?
19:05<kop>dem0n : If you followed the instrctions on the site, it does not have a package.
19:05<kop>loserbar : it has a (!)
19:05<loserbar>it should have an in wherever it installed probably /usr/bin
19:06<loserbar>i dont really know for sure, sometimes scripts can get strange
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19:07<dem0n>can you remote desk top and fix it?
19:07<kop>dem0n : The Debian people package all their software, which makes it easy to install using aptitude or synaptic or some other friendly debian tool. Packages keep track of what's where and belongs to what on your system. Without them your system gets plogged with old stuff until it eventually stops working. (like MS Windows)
19:07<loserbar>heh, come on you can at least try
19:07<loserbar>only if you install random crap without thinking
19:08<kop>dem0n : You should not install stuff if it's not part of debian, unless you know what you're doing.
19:08<loserbar>new software always takes a little waiting to get an actual .deb
19:08<loserbar>yes, kop is right dem0n
19:08<dem0n>wtf im in wrong channel :D
19:08<kop>loserbar : True. But those just starting out should stick with packages.
19:08<dem0n>im on ubuntu
19:08<loserbar>i agree
19:08<kop>dem0n : Ah.
19:08<kop>!tell dem0n -about ubuntu
19:09<loserbar> THIS IS NOT #ubuntu
19:09<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>.
19:09<dem0n>i know i know
19:09<dem0n>i just mistaked channels :D it auto joined this one it usualy auto joins ubuntu
19:09<loserbar>okay dem0n all i could tell you is that you should find out where the installed
19:10<loserbar>and there should be a there
19:10<kop>dem0n : You'd _still_ be best advised to stick with what comes with ubuntu.
19:10<twb>There should be different words for debian-based-like-adamantix and debian-based-like-ubuntu, seeing as the former only supplements the existing packages and the latter replaces it entirely.
19:10<loserbar>the best place to look would be the /usr folder
19:10<loserbar>thats the common place for installed programs
19:10<kop>twb: Extended debian and...?
19:10<loserbar>so have a look and be careful
19:10<mcsniff>I don't think there is an uninstall, it looks pretty messy
19:10<dem0n>if i remove all files with ehcp in it will it be gone?
19:11<loserbar>really.. i havent checked it out to be honest
19:11<kop>dem0n : You could read the script and see what it put where.
19:11<loserbar>dem0n: depends on how you do it
19:11<mcsniff>dem0n: it installs a lot of packages - look at install.php
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19:12<loserbar>looks like it still uses apt-get
19:13<Atlantis>hey I just got compiz, I wanted to know if there was a way to move applications to another workspace just like in regular gnome?
19:13<twb>Sweet, someone adopted screen.
19:14<kop>twb : Allright.
19:14<twb>Still hasn't got --enable-256color, AFAICT :-(
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19:15<kop>I've flashed a new bios and wacked about in the cmos settings. How long should I run memtest86+ for to be sure I've a stable system? Any suggestions?
19:16<loserbar>dem0n: it looks like the program uses apt-get to get dependencies from ubuntu and then sets up services based on the config from the ehcp files
19:17<loserbar>i dunno kop, how much time do you have
19:17<mcsniff>kop: hours if you have changed ram/cpu settings
19:17<kop>loserbar : It'll be all night if I want much longer.
19:18<loserbar>well like mcsniff said it could take a while, id be safe and run it all night and check the errors
19:18<kop>mcsniff : Thanks. That makes sense. It took 45 minutes for it to find a problem after I chose the bios settings tuned "for performance" (or whatever) rather than stability. That was only half way through one pass.
19:19<mcsniff>memtest will only find mem problems, it doesn't really stress the system that much
19:19<kop>mcsniff : (I cut the front side bus speed and that seemed to fix it.) What would you recommend for a better stress test for strange bios settings?
19:20<kop>mcsniff : I cleared the cmos as part of the bios upgrade.
19:20<kop>mcsniff : So it's hard to know what changed.
19:20<twb>Upgrading netbase removes the last dependency on inetd. Is it *really* safe to remove it?
19:20<mcsniff>kop: it should be fine then...default settings are usually safe, but sometimes ram timings aren't picked up properly
19:21<mcsniff>I use 'stress' or the old favourite prime95
19:21<kop>mcsniff : I did choose the "performance" settings rather than the "safe" ones. That's how the fsb got too fast.
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19:22<kop>mcsniff : I use badblocks for disk and memtest86 for ram, but don't do much else.
19:23<mcsniff>kop: well all you can do is set things to what they should be, and if you are worried about stability run prime95 or something overnight
19:24<kop>mcsniff : It's hard to tell what they should be. It's a cheap $150 box from frys.
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19:24<kop>mcsniff : I'll try stress.
19:24<kop>mcsniff : (I can't find prime95 as a package.)
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19:25<mcsniff>prime95 comes as just a binary from somewhere...
19:25<loserbar>how does one go about flashing a dell bios in debian, would i need a boot floppy?
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19:25<kop>mcsniff : The d*m box came with a crippled bios. Wouldn't boot when plugged in, power button was required, etc.
19:26<kop>loserbar : I use a old dos floppy, generally. There's freedos now, if you've got a floppy.
19:26<mcsniff>sounds like a good one!
19:26<kop>loserbar : The freebios (sp?) people have a generic bios flasher, but it only works with some hardware.
19:27<mcsniff>loserbar: I assume you would use the usual windows boot floppy? haven't flashed a bios in a while
19:27<loserbar>trouble is i dont have a floppy drive, so any live cd's you know of
19:27<kop>mcsniff : Cheap is good. Cheezy is bad. I can't believe they spent the extra money to cripple it.
19:27<loserbar>and dell has .exe binaries for their bios updates
19:28<mcsniff>kop: probably work out ok once you get it stable
19:28<kop>loserbar : I came across quite a lot of "no floppy" bios flashing stuff in google. But it disappeared into the web.
19:28<loserbar>ive heard of dos live cd's but i dont know how good they are
19:28<kop>mcsniff : Yes. Next time I'm just buying something from a reputable linux box maker, and paying the extra money. It's worth my time.
19:28<loserbar>id imagine i couldnt do this with anything mounted and the like?
19:28<loserbar>ive never really flashed a bios before
19:29<kop>loserbar : You might be able to pxe boot.
19:29<loserbar>but im not completely retarted when it comes to this stuff :)
19:29<mcsniff>loserbar: I doubt it, how old is the box?
19:29<loserbar>eh, about 4 years? its got an 865g chipset in it
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19:29<loserbar>all the hardware is dell stock, its a 4600C
19:30<kop>loserbar : You might consider paying $25-$30 to have someone send you a new bios chip. If it's in a socket. It'd be worth your time.
19:30<kop>loserbar : What's wrong with the current bios?
19:30<loserbar>well why do you say that, is it more trouble than its worth to flash it? and if so why
19:31<kop>loserbar : Everything takes longer than you think. And if your not careful you get a brick. There's not much in the way of second chances.
19:31<mcsniff>loserbar: you only want to flash it if you are having problems or need new hardware supported
19:31<loserbar>well, honestly nothing. but theres some petty updates i wouldnt mind having, updated microcode and a fix for the bios to boot from cd faster. honestly its not that important i just wanted to know how to go about doing it
19:31<loserbar>and doing it right :)
19:32<loserbar>i wouldnt risk bricking my system unless i really felt confident that i wanted to brick my system
19:32<kop>That's a good reason.
19:32<mcsniff>loserbar: well usually you just run a program from a boot floppy
19:33<loserbar>i see
19:34<kop>loserbar : I've not done it without a floppy. You could pxe boot or boot from cd and do it that way, probably.
19:34<kop>loserbar : The real trouble is that all the bios flash utilities are designed to run under MS dos, or worse Windows.
19:34<loserbar>the thing is that floppy drives have been obsolete on desktop systems for a while now,
19:34<loserbar>i know theres floppies on other flavors and setups
19:34<loserbar>but still i cant spend 2 grand on an sgi
19:35<loserbar>yeah kop, i noticed that when i got my a9 bios flash in a .exe lol
19:36<loserbar>i managed to get the thing up with wine but it gave me an error about accessing local drives
19:36<loserbar>which to me i thought thats cause theyre active at the moment
19:36<loserbar>since like you said before youre supposed to flash from a boot floppy
19:36<mcsniff>you may be able to unzip the exe
19:36<kop>loserbar : To flash the bios you need the system to be running one thing, and one thing only. The bios flash program. Both the bios and the rest of the os need to be out of the picture.
19:36<loserbar>in any case i suppose i could just tr
19:37<loserbar>kop: right, i figured that
19:37<loserbar>actually i didnt think to do that mcsniff
19:37<kop>mcsniff : Yes. I find most bios exe's are self extracting zip files. Then you get the actual bios data and feed it to the bios update program.
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19:38<kop>loserbar : But, you still need to get the bios update program to run. pxe boot might be a good choice for this because it just gets a program into ram and runs it. Period.
19:38<loserbar>any good packages that you know of to do that
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19:39<loserbar>i dont think this box supports that, though im not certain... thats booting it from another system right?
19:39<kop>loserbar : Usually, you use the bios update program supplied by the PC OEM, who delivers it to you from the same page where you get the bios.
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19:39<kop>loserbar : It's booting from the network. Sorta via a tftp sort of thing.
19:39<loserbar>right. i got mine from the dell site
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19:40<kop>loserbar : I think the bios update programs run right on the metal, so all you need to do it get it running. Grub might work for that.
19:40<loserbar>okay, but that would require an active internect connection, or could you do it directly
19:41<loserbar>hey, thats an idea :)
19:41<loserbar>though i would have to run wine with that too
19:41<kop>loserbar : Pxe boot is a ethernet thing. You need another box on the lan. (I like the grub idea the more I think of it.)
19:41<kop>loserbar : Why wine?
19:41<loserbar>yeah i was reading about booting .iso files from grub
19:42<loserbar>yeah, i could extract the exe
19:42<kop>loserbar : I'm thinking you use the dos based bios flasher.
19:42<kop>loserbar : And have grub load it instead of dos.
19:42<kop>loserbar : The trouble there is that you need a fs from which to get the new bios. :-(
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19:43<kop>loserbar : Maybe it's not such a good idea after all. (Although a ramfs would work.)
19:43<kop>loserbar : Google is your friend.
19:43<loserbar>yeah since the thing couldnt be more than a mb
19:43<loserbar>google is everyones friend :)
19:44<loserbar>as exciting as this could be it seems quite risky haha
19:44<loserbar>though the risk is in the hands of the one whose doing the risking i suppose
19:44<version2>I'm having a problem. For some reason, my router has been assigning new ip addresses to my debian server, but not to any of my other computers. This is really annoying because it means I have to catch it, and change port forwarding... Any idea how to reassign ips?
19:45<loserbar>is your server requesting new ip's at a short interval?
19:45<kop>loserbar : I'm sure the dos bios flasher wants a fat or vfat fs. As long as that was about, and accessable via the bios, because that's what it probably uses to get to the fs, then you're good.
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19:45<version2>loserbar: no clue?
19:46<mcsniff>version2: you will probably have to set the ip to the mac address on the router
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19:46<kop>version2 : Or you could statically assign the debian box an IP on the lan that you know the router will not hand out to anyone else with dhcp.
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19:47<kop>version2 : Depends on whether you want to mess with the router or the debian box.
19:47<Atlantis>hey i lost the ability to right click on app and switch it to another workspace after i installed compiz, is that normal?
19:47<version2>kop: I'd perfer to mess with the debian box.
19:47<kop>version2 : man interfaces
19:48<kop>version2 : (But you do need to know of an IP that the router won't give to another box.)
19:48<loserbar>how are you getting an ip
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19:49<kop>loserbar : We're all guessing it's dhcp.
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19:50<loserbar>well yeah, but i meant the program used to recieve it, for instance i use dhclient, or would that not matter
19:50<version2>yeah, dhcp
19:51<kop>loserbar : I've not configured a dhcp client directly in a long time. I trust in /etc/network/interfaces.
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19:51<version2>iface eth0 inet static address netmask up flush-mail
19:51<version2>something like that? I have no clue what flush-mail is
19:52<mcsniff>need a gateway too
19:52<kop>version2 : up is what program gets run after the interface comes up.
19:53<kop>version2 : I'd guess flush-mail is a program that causes anything in the mail queue to be sent once the net is available.
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19:54<version2>kop: oh, well it gave "up flush-mail" as an example...
19:54<kop>version2 : There's probably something commented out in the file itself as an example.
19:55<kop>version2 : Maybe not. Anyhow, you need what you got minus the "up flush-mail" and with a "gateway xx.xx.xx.xx". That should work.
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19:55<version2>iface eth0 inet static address netmask gateway
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19:56<kop>version2 : sounds plausable. How did you pick
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19:56<jam>somebody install symfony in debian ?
19:56<mcsniff>version2: don't forget "auto ethx" at the start
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19:57<kop>mcsniff : Oh yeah. I forgot that last time I messed with that stuff.
19:57<version2>Because my gateway doesn't assign ip's with 192.168.1.x, and if I ever get a gateway in the future that uses I'd be confused why there was confliction
19:58<version2>mcsniff: iface eth0 inet static auto eth0 address netmask gateway
19:58<version2>like that?
19:58<mcsniff>it has to be on the same network as the gateway, unless you want to do more configuration
19:58<kop>version2 : What IPs does it assign? You need to be on the right subnet.
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19:58<kop>version2 : then you need a 192.168.0.x IP.
19:58<mcsniff>version2: you have to use 192.168.0.x then
19:59<mcsniff>version2: look at the router configuration, it usually only assigns a range of ips
19:59<Atlantis>is there a place to find a patched libwnck?
19:59<kop>version2 : Your router probably only assigns ips from, e.g., 1-64, so if you use you'd then be safe. But it depends on the router.
19:59<version2>Yeah, I've been looking for that. I can't find it anymore. But my router has never assigned ip's above 12
20:00<kop>version2 : OOps.
20:00<mcsniff>version2: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.x netmask gateway
20:00<kop>version2 : And what gateway does it use?
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20:01<DeepDayze>hey all you Debianites :)
20:01<DeepDayze>how's Lenny?
20:01<kop>version2 : Then there ya go. Don't forget to comment out the part of the interfaces file that turns on eth0 with dhcp.
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20:02<nick_>anybody there
20:02<kop>version2: Then you can do "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" and it should work.
20:03<kop>nick_ : No. Nobody's here.
20:03<kop>!tell nick_ -about ask
20:04<nick_>-about ask
20:04<nick_>lol this is wierd
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20:05<loserbar>nice one kop
20:06<kop>loserbar : I liked how everybody kept silent.
20:06<loserbar>it was a group effort
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20:10<DeepDayze>kop's the only one alive
20:11<kop>I'm in that haze of procrastination where memtest86 is putting little #s across the screen.....######
20:12<loserbar>think of it as defragging
20:12<loserbar>only you can stare at memtest for a bit longer
20:14<kop>Anyone used pmacct?
20:14<kop>I'm thinking of using it and want to know if it's a good idea.
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20:27<DeepDayze>what is pmacct
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20:28<litage>DeepDayze: apt-cache show pmacct
20:29<DeepDayze>ah a network traffic analysis tool
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20:33<Atlantis>etch means stable?
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20:34<Atlantis>what is the nickname for stable?
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20:35<JasonS>Atlantis: etch - stable, lenny - testing and sid is as always unstable
20:35<Atlantis>thanks :D
20:37<DeepDayze>sid's the bad boy
20:37<DeepDayze>I use sid and its a nice ride :P
20:38<DeepDayze>experimental I use too
20:38<DeepDayze>experimental's as bad as sid at times
20:38<JasonS>DeepDayze: or worse i bet :)
20:38<dondelelcaro>experimental is different
20:40<twb>If my iptables -L tables are all empty, is there any need to even have iptables installed?
20:40<dondelelcaro>because it's not really a distribution (it's a collection of packages) comparisons aren't quite accurate.
20:40<dondelelcaro>twb: not unless you've got something that uses it
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20:40<dondelelcaro>(like fail2ban or similar)
20:41<mcsniff>twb: I can't think of a reason to have it installed, something may depend on it though
20:42<twb>mcsniff: according to apt, nothing depends on it.
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20:50<sander>Does a itunes simular program exist for linux.. ?
20:50<loserbar>well theres rhythmbox
20:50<loserbar>and exaile
20:50<loserbar>bmpx looks promising if not bloated
20:50<loserbar>but have you given amarok a try
20:50<ranix>I enjoy amarok
20:50<ranix>beat me to it
20:51<sander>can I buy songs from apple.. and listen to podcasts.. just like in itunes?
20:51<loserbar>i believe so
20:51<loserbar>though ive never tried it
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20:52<ranix>amarok is the best program associated with the KDE project
20:53<loserbar>it is nice
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20:54<ranix>I just captured a huge alien destroyer
20:54<ranix>with lazers and everything
20:54<ranix>how cool am I
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20:55<JasonS>not so much cool as geeky
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20:56<loserbar>oh does anyone know what to make of the bug in dpkg #432893 im running lenny and this is a block in my upgrading, has anyone on here upgraded dpkg within the last month and what kind of related problems have you ran into since then? is this something i should worry about?
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21:02<bmatanzo>Sorry to bother but can anyone tell me why do i get this line from apt-get update:"Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
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21:02<bmatanzo>Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
21:03<Golfgeo>Hi all
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21:10<keehan>I was trying to use GQView to print some images. It could not recognise the default printer. Going to printer set-up, when I select "use as local default" and "use as user default", the options came blur. GQView still cannot recognise the default printer. Help!
21:11<Golfgeo>Figuring some vpn options out and am looking at tinc. Got some questions though: 1) How much memory does one instance of tinc need? 2) The basic premis is that one creates a "virtual" subnet that is shared between all tinc daemons? Does tinc spawn multiple instances for each connection or are they all handled by the one daemon?
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21:12<Golfgeo>Oh yea, and: How stable is the daemon? (Need to create a connection to sites 800 km away and can't go there every week to fix the daemon...
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21:15<eth1c>Does anyone here know of divx support for debian, so far ive only found 1.. mozilla... but it will not full screen video's on pages.. any suggustions?
21:17<dondelelcaro>eth1c: divx? mplayer supports divx just fine, as does xine.
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21:17<eth1c>ty, i shall try both.
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21:18<eth1c>they on aptitude?
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21:22<Golfgeo>no one?
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21:24<mcsniff>golfgeo: you are probably better off looking at tinc for support, im not sure how many people would use it here
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21:27<cwilson>Hey guys i need some help
21:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:28<cwilson>!ask scsi migration
21:29<cwilson>Can anyonetell me what i need to do to upgrade my drives from to 72.8gb?
21:29<dondelelcaro>cwilson: you just want to add more drives?
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21:30<cwilson>i want to go from all 9.1 to all 72.8
21:30<cwilson>but i dont want to reinstall debian if possible
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21:31<Golfgeo>mcsniff, There is just one guy in #tinc, so a large channel was my next best bet...
21:31<cwilson>Is that not possible
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21:32<dondelelcaro>cwilson: do you just want to add the 72G drives and keep your existing 9G
21:32<mcsniff>cwilson: it should be ok - copy everything across to the new drives and reinstall grub/lilo is a very simplistic answer
21:33<cwilson>No i want to replace the 9g with 72g but i want to take them out and let them rebuild to the 72g one at a time
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21:33<dondelelcaro>cwilson: so what's the configuration of the 9G drives now?
21:34<cwilson>Raid 5?
21:34<dondelelcaro>cwilson: with 3 drives?
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21:34<dondelelcaro>oh, you've even got a spare.
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21:35<dondelelcaro>yeah, so what you want to do is swap out one of the drives, drop in the 72G; format it, and add it to the array using mdadm.
21:37<cwilson>i got a compaq proliant server 6400r running debian etch and i need to replace the drives in it (4 9.1gb) with 4 72gb drives but i do not want to reinstall the operating system. I am wondering that if i take a 9.1gb out and insert a 72gb if it will rebuild to that drive?
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21:37<dondelelcaro>cwilson: if you're using software raid and use mdadm on it, yes.
21:37<dondelelcaro>if you're using hardware raid, that's a function of your hardware raid card.
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21:39<cwilson>They are hot swap drives
21:39<dondelelcaro>the actual drives don't really matter
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21:40<dondelelcaro>what matters is what the raid card can do
21:40<dondelelcaro>(or if you're using mdadm)
21:41<cwilson> cwilson: if you're using software raid and use mdadm on it, yes.
21:41<cwilson><dondelelcaro> if you're using hardware raid, that's a function of your hardware raid card.
21:41<cwilson>* debhelper sets mode: +l 284
21:41<cwilson><cwilson> They are hot swap drives
21:41<cwilson><dondelelcaro> the actual drives don't really matter
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21:44<dondelelcaro>cwilson: yes, I read that, but it doesn't tell me whether you're using mdadm or a hardware raid card.
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21:45<cwilson>how can i find out
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21:48<dondelelcaro>cwilson: looking at where the drives are mounted would be a start... you did set the machine up, right?
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21:50<cwilson>kinda sorta
21:50<cwilson>if i take a picture and host it can you tell me?
21:52<dondelelcaro>cwilson: actually, you can just look at the output of mount;
21:52<dondelelcaro>cwilson: if you tell me what / (or whatever filesystems are on the raid) is mounted at, it should be obvious
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21:56<cwilson>it has an raid card 3200 smart arry
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21:57<bathat>any idea why mkdosfs says No such file or directory (mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sdc1)
21:57<bathat>i've created a FAT16 partition on the usb stick
21:58<bathat>i just can't figure out, so this is the second place I go.. right after Google
21:58<cwilson>how do i expand my os space?
22:02<Atlantiz>are you using root?
22:02<Atlantiz>you need to switch to another account
22:02<Atlantiz>a non root account
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22:07<cwilson>ok i got a non root
22:07<cwilson>how so i expand
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22:26<MBR>is idling here ok?
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22:34<dasenjo>Hi, I'm configuring my exim, but after dpkg-reconfiguring exim4-config there is no /etc/exim4/exim4.conf at all .... why?
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22:44<dasenjo>no one knows? :( I've reinstalled the package ... replaced exim4-daemon-light with exim4-daemon-heavy ... and it is almost a "fresh" installation ..
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22:52<cwilson>Does anyone know how to expand the OS on a debian OS?
22:54<gsimmons>cwilson: Do you mean, how to make more space available for use by Debian? (eg. partitioning/resizing)
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22:55<cwilson>idk i was told this buy a guy cause i am moving from 4-9.1gb to 4 72.8gb drives and he said i need to expand my OS
22:57<repair-man>quick question
22:57<repair-man>i ran apt-get install hotplug because I was working on getting my wifi card to work
22:57<repair-man>why did it remove a lot of stuff? I had to recover...
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22:59<giwe>Is libgtk2.0-dev supposed to fail to install on etch?
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23:00<blarson>repair-man: Hotplug is outdated and has been mostly replaced by udev. Don't expect hotplug to work well on sid, possibly not well on etch even.
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23:00<loserbar>hey everyone, i was wondering if anyone here has had any trouble with the current version of dpkg in lenny, i noticed theres a bug report for it that ive been following for a while but seems stagnant at this point. so has anyone run into any problems with that? is this something i should be weary of?
23:01<loserbar>heres the full bug report in question if anyone wants to see it
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23:03<billy_>Can someone help me with the free Radeon driver (not "ati") on Debian Sid? I upgraded earlier tonight and now all sorts of things are too big (fonts and icons, etc). I have tried manually making these smaller, but it's not working for everything.. It's really kinda weird how it's acting, it's not just fonts and icons.. Everything seems just a bit too big, and my resolution is still set to 1280x1024.
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23:07<billy_>Does anyone here use Sid?
23:09<kop>billy_ : I stick with stable, because I don't want your problems. :) Sorry.
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23:09<cwilson>can anyone help me in the backing up of my debian machine how i wiould go about that?
23:09<billy_>:/ Sid is worth it for the most part
23:09<billy_>this is the first error on sid I've had in years that I could not figure out
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23:10<kop>cwilson : Where do you want to put the backup? (The best option is on another box, so if your mobo goes bad or something you won't ruin everything on all the disks.)
23:10<billy_>and its technically not really an error - everything still operates fine - i am sure its a config somewhere that upgraded, but i am clueless as to where it would be
23:11<billy_>cwilson: install Mondo - it will allow you to backup your entire system (or parts if you choose) to CD/DVD
23:11<kop>cwilson : Sure.
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23:11<kop>billy_ : I like the rsync approach. It can happen automatically so you actually have backups.
23:12<kop>cwilson : Anyway the first step is to decide where to put backups, how often you want them, and how long you want to keep them.
23:13<billy_>'tis true. ;) didn't think people really did that unless it was for a server.
23:13<kop>billy_ : Once it's set up you can forget about it. And do all your boxes the same way too. :)
23:13<kop>billy_ : Sid would be cool, but I've enough other stuff to think about I don't want the extra problems.
23:14<billy_>yeah, but all I ever do it get an optimal system going, then make a mondo dvd of that. if anything ever goes wrong i have a clean slate on a single dvd.
23:14<billy_>all my important data (music, photos, etc) are stored remotely via nfs to my home server
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23:14<billy_>my server is raid, so i never worry about backups
23:14<kop>cwilson : In additon to mondo. There's the low level stuff, tar, cp, rsync. Then there's stuff like anaconda, dirvish, and a host of other programs you can find by searching for backup. (There's also grsync.)
23:15<kop>billy_ : You don't have backups then. :) Backups mean you can accidently delete a file, figure it out a week later, and still recover.
23:15<Atlantiz>night people...debian is rocking my socks right now :D
23:16<billy_>good point, kop.
23:16<kop>billy_ : Raid is no substiute for backups either. If the controller goes bad it can ruin the data on all the drives. And if it does not do that then you need to find a compatible controller to be able to get to your drives. (Depending on the kind of raid.)
23:16<billy_>raid5 of course
23:16<kop>billy_ : Hardware raid is fine for the enterprise, where they can keep spare controllers around. Otherwise software raid is better.
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23:17<billy_>i work in a DC in downtown Houston - I have access to all the hardware i'll ever need ;)
23:17<kop>billy_ : No worries then. :)
23:18<billy_>exactly - well, except for right now - i want to un-upgrade to get my radeon driver working again
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23:18<billy_>*is tempted to grab Lenny's, but is scared to try it
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23:18<billy_>experimental's radeon driver didnt help the situation either :/
23:19<istoc>Hi, would anyone mind helping me a minute? Im new to linux and the corresponding documentation doesnt really help. When I do ifconfig -a, Im missing a ethernet card from the list and they start counting at 1.
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23:20<kop>cwilson : You may want to check out: but be sure to look into rsync's --hard-links option.
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23:21<kop>istoc : Hang on a sec.
23:21<istoc>Ok, thanks.
23:21<kop>istoc : You're running debian stable, etch?
23:22<istoc>I think this should be a stable version. My friend helped me set it up but I dont want him to feel obligated to help me for the rest of my life heh.
23:22<kop>istoc : cat /etc/debian_version
23:23<kop>istoc : 4.0 is stable, which is probably what you should be running because that way it just keeps working.
23:23<kop>istoc : Oh well.
23:24<kop>istoc : Things occasionally break. But it's still more stable than lots of other distros.... Anyway.
23:24<billy_>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
23:24<kop>billy_ : Good point.
23:24<istoc>Im getting it from our campus mirror
23:25<billy_>the output of the above command will tell you which version you have
23:25<billy_>what do yours point to?
23:25<istoc>Lemme see
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23:25<kop>istoc : Anyhow, I suspect this has to do with how debian keeps track of which devices are which. It remembers when you change devices. The old names stay stuck with the old hardware, even when that hardware's removed.
23:26<billy_>OMG i am going to kick something!
23:26<istoc>When I type cat /etc/apt/sources.list it just gives me what looks like a list of the mirrors I got it frmo
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23:26<billy_>deb sid main contrib non-free
23:26<billy_>see that?
23:27<billy_>I have Sid
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23:27<kop>istoc : Toward the right side it has names like 'sid" or 'etch" in the path.
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23:27<istoc>etch main
23:27<billy_>there we go - you have Etch
23:27<istoc>irc is on a differnt box than the linux one
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23:27<billy_>which is also known as Stable
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23:27<kop>istoc : Anyhow, you have how many nics and how many does ifconfig report?
23:28<istoc>I have one NIC on the mobo and 2 identicle gigabit cards
23:28<billy_>hi tupa
23:28<kop>istoc : Do they all show in ifconfig?
23:28<istoc>No, just eth1 and eth2
23:28<istoc>It should start @ 0 right?
23:29<istoc>(lo and sit0 too)
23:29<kop>istoc : Usually. Look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
23:29<billy_>what doeslspci |grep Eth
23:29<tupa>is there any person kind enough to let me host an application I need to show a friend over internet? (I don't have public IP neither my friend, and he is not a techie, so he can't set it up)
23:29<billy_>what does lspci |grep Eth optput?
23:29<kop>istoc : That's where it keeps track of the mapping between MAC address and nic name.
23:29<billy_>man, tonight is not my night for typing :p
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23:30<istoc>Honeywell IAC unknown..., Intel... and Realtek...
23:30<billy_>tupa: try geocities - if its an image try imageshack
23:31<billy_>istoc: i thought you said you had two identical gigs?
23:31<tupa>billy_ it is a Qt application, I need a linux box with Qt libraries in it so I can show it to my friend, I'm handing him a Live-CD to do a sshx, its just to visualize the app, not to host it forever
23:31<billy_>you listed 3 things... none are identical
23:31<istoc>Yea I thought so too...
23:31<kop>istoc : Why don't you use paste and put the output of ifconfig and lspci and the contents of that z25 file in there?
23:31<kop>!tell istoc -about paste
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23:32<istoc>Ok gimme a minute or so, not sure if I have a browser on the linux box
23:32<billy_>istoc: you can ssh to your linux box with a program called Putty - it makes copy and paste a lot easier ;)
23:32<istoc>How do I get the ip of the linux box?
23:33<kop>tupa : You could tell your "router" to redirect ssh traffic to your box, and then just tell your friend your IP.
23:33<billy_>istoc: which device is getting you on the network?
23:34<tupa>kop: no public IP, neither my friend, so it is not possible
23:34<kop>istoc : You may need to be sure that the linux box has sshd installed. (aptitude install ssh-server)
23:34<billy_>tupa: if you are on the internet, then you have a public ip...
23:35<kop>tupa : There's a public IP somewhere or you wouldn't be talking to us. Perhaps you've no control over the device that's doing NAT?
23:35<tupa>kop, the later
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23:36<istoc>The ip is what follows "Inet addr:" right?
23:36<kop>istoc : You need the IP associated with whatever nic's plugged into your lan. Ssh (with putty) to that IP.
23:36<kop>istoc : yes.
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23:37<istoc>Sigh, putty says connection refused, think I may have to login to our network on the linux box through a browser
23:37<billy_>tupa: what about your friend - he doesn't have a "public IP" either?
23:37<istoc>How do you spell links?
23:37<kop>istoc : You may not have ssh running on the linux box.
23:37<tupa>billy_ nope, I've tested it
23:37<billy_>tupa: how did you test it?
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23:38<kop>istoc : Do you have ssh-server (or openssh-server or lsh-server) installed?
23:38<istoc>It should have some of the bare bones stuff like ssh I would think.
23:38<billy_>etch does not install ssh by default anymore
23:38<billy_>sarge was the last to do that
23:38<kop>istoc : You never know. Try: aptitude show openssh-server
23:38<billy_>this should get you ssh: apt-get install ssh
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23:39<kop>billy_ : aptitude is better than apt-get, in the long run.
23:39<billy_>i know
23:39<tupa>billy_ port scan, connect directly to the modem, no routers, no firewalls, I've done it a bunch of times
23:39<billy_>my apt-get is actually a symplic to aptitude ;)
23:39<tupa>in some PCs work, in some don't
23:39<billy_>i could never break the "apt-get" habbit
23:39<billy_>now i dont even think about it anymore
23:39<kop>billy_ : Better to tell new folks aptitude then.
23:40<istoc>Tried using apt-get, it cant get it frmo the mirror, size mismatch
23:40<billy_>yeah i know - i just forget i am using it myself :p
23:40<kop>tupa : You guys using modems, perhaps?
23:40<tupa>kop, of course
23:41<tupa>cable modem(me), and ADSL(my friend)
23:41<kop>tupa : Then just have him call you and establish a ppp connection.
23:41<kop>tupa : Ah, not POTS.
23:41<tupa>kop, did you mean telephonic modem?
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23:41<kop>istoc : You want openssh-server anyway.
23:42<kop>tupa : Yes. But that's lame and slow.
23:42<billy_>tupa - do you have a router behind your modem, or is your pc hooked directly to the modem?
23:42<new2debian>hello, i have a question
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23:42<billy_>hello new2debian
23:43<istoc>Sigh, same problem with openssh-server.
23:43<kop>istoc : What's the error message?
23:43<billy_>what problem?
23:43<istoc>"Size mismatch"
23:43<billy_>thats odd
23:43<new2debian>every time i boot, my sound is muted, i have to go into the volume control and enable the PCM switch and the master volume, any way to do this automatically at boot ? im using etch
23:43<kop>istoc : Humm. I don't get it.
23:43<billy_>give me details
23:43<new2debian>hi billy
23:44<istoc>Ok, lemme type em out
23:44<istoc>Failed to fetch [campus mirror of debian] Size mismatch.
23:44<istoc>its trying to get libkrb53_1.4.4-8.deb
23:45<kop>istoc : Maybe you need to do an "aptitude update" first.
23:45<billy_>my thoughts exactly kop
23:45<istoc>Ok, will try that.
23:45<billy_>new2debian, what DE ar eyou running?
23:45<billy_>*are you
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23:45<new2debian>billy, DE ?
23:46<billy_>Desktop Environment
23:46<billy_>KDE, Gnome, XFCE?
23:46<istoc>No such files..."You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" Gonna try that.
23:46<kop>istoc : It's the same thing.
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23:47<kop>!tell istoc -about aptitude
23:47<istoc>"Some index files failed to download..."
23:47<billy_>istoc - your sources are wrong then
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23:47<billy_>probably a typo in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
23:47<billy_>new2debian, I am searching for a solution for you
23:47<new2debian>thanks billy
23:48<kop>istoc : Try the "aptitude install" again. If some sources updated maybe it will proceed and we can deal with this later.
23:48<istoc>Install the ssh server?
23:48<billy_>new2debian, what brand/model pc do you have?
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23:49<kop>istoc : (I don't like it that your /etc/debian_version says sid/lenny but your sources are etch. But I don't know what to do about it or if anything can be done....)
23:49<kop>istoc : Yes, ssh server
23:49<new2debian>billy intel motherboard, on-board sound
23:49<billy_>that tells me nothing - i need a name brand of the whole machine
23:49<new2debian>billy, d865gvhz
23:49<billy_>Dell, Gateway, HP, Sony?
23:50<new2debian>billy, homebuilt
23:50<billy_>that changes everything
23:50<billy_>ok hold...
23:50<Harrison>Hey, can anyone in here help me with using getopts in a bash script?
23:50<kop>istoc : If you continue to have "aptitude update" problems then ask back here. (Sometimes those "missing file" messages go away by themselves if something wasn't initialized.)
23:50<new2debian>motherboard is intel D865GVHZ
23:51<istoc>Yea, aptitude install openssh-server doesnt do anything, says it couldnt find any packages with that name.
23:51<kop>Harrison : The best option is to find another bash script that uses it and read that.
23:51<istoc>Oops, lemme try update.
23:51<billy_>istoc - paste your sources.list file here
23:51<billy_>i bet there is a typo in there
23:52<Harrison>kop: I'm reading some tutorials online, and from what I can tell, its set up correctly. However, it doesn't seem to be working.
23:52<billy_>new2debian, are you using alsa?
23:52<istoc>Cant paste, gonna have to type it. Gimme a min.
23:52<new2debian>billy, i dont know what alsa is, let me find out
23:52<kop>Harrison : Try using paste and I'll look. Although I've not used getops much. I find it easier to just case.
23:53<Harrison>kop: ???
23:53<kop>!tell Harrison -about paste
23:53<Harrison>That's pretty cool. Join #pastebin ?
23:54<kop>Harrison : I get confused when I join more than one channel at a time.
23:54<new2debian>billy, yes, im using alsa
23:54<kop>Harrison : i don't really know how to use irc.
23:54<billy_>new2debian, did you run alsa-conf?
23:54<new2debian>billy, negative
23:54<Harrison>kop: Alright, give me a second. It's on another computer.
23:54<billy_>go ahead and run it
23:54<new2debian>in terminal ?
23:55<billy_>just follow the on screen instructions - its pretty simple
23:55<billy_>yes in a terminal
23:55<billy_>brb - smoke break
23:55[~]billy_ *poof*
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23:56<kop>istoc : I worry that your computer was installed with sid/lenny and then the sources changed to use etch (aka stable). As I understand it that won't work. Maybe somebody here knows more.
23:57<istoc>Heres the "paste" of sources
23:57<kop>istoc : Ah. You're using lenny (aka testing).
23:58<Harrison>kop: Here is mine:
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23:58<chealer>new2debian: see /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.Debian
23:58<kop>istoc : The only one that says 'etch" is commented out.
23:58<istoc>So one part is lenny the other is etch?
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23:58<new2debian>billy, ok, ill check that out
23:59<kop>istoc : The only thing is that testing sometimes breaks. So.... Your "aptitude update" continutes to give errors, even when you do it a second time?
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23:59<istoc>Lemme see
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