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---Logopened Thu Aug 02 00:00:18 2007
00:00<kop>Harrison : That does not look right.
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00:00<istoc>Im getting "no data" and "no such file or dir"
00:00<Harrison>kop: It's more than likely not.
00:00<Harrison>kop: Tjat
00:00<Harrison>kop: That is my first script. XP
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00:01<billy_>how come I cant view istoc's paste?
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00:01<new2debian>billy, i may be mistaken, i think i have GStreamer, not Alsa
00:01<billy_>!tell billy_ -about paste
00:01<kop>billy_ : You are cursed?
00:01<billy_>i guess so
00:02<billy_>the link provided just hangs
00:02<istoc>Should I repaste it?
00:02<billy_>no 404 or anything
00:02<billy_>new2debian, install alsa
00:02<kop>billy_ : works for me. twice.
00:02<billy_>asla is better
00:03<new2debian>billy, thanks for the help
00:03<billy_>no problem new2debian.
00:03<kop>billy_ : I don't think his problem is in sources.list.
00:03<billy_>are yo usure, kop?
00:03<billy_>the error he told us earlier sounds a lot lke there is a typo in there
00:04<kop>billy_ : Nothing in life is sure. (His only etch line is commented out. The rest says "testing".)
00:04<kop>istoc : When did you do this install?
00:04<istoc>Few months ago
00:04<istoc>A friend did most of it
00:04<kop>istoc : You may have the problem of using the name "testing" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
00:05<billy_>kop, "testing" should work fine
00:05<kop>istoc : The meaning of "testing" changed some months ago, from etch to lenny.
00:05<billy_>i wish i could see his paste :( i would know in about 2 seconds flat if its what i think it is
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00:05<istoc>Want me to PM it to you?
00:05<Harrison>kop: So what seems to be wrong with it?
00:05<billy_>if its not too long, yes
00:05<kop>billy_ : i'll copy it into another paste...
00:06<istoc>Its 10 lines
00:06<billy_>kop - i am not resolving at all
00:06<billy_>ping: unknown host
00:06<istoc>Just PMed it to him.
00:06<billy_>istoc - where are you located in the world?
00:07<istoc>Santa Cruz, CA
00:07<billy_>ok try changing to
00:07<billy_>*note its still a http:// url, it just has ftp as the subdomain
00:08<istoc>For all of the times its mentioned?
00:08<kop>Harrison : Have you read the bash man page on getopt?
00:08<Harrison>Skimmed really.
00:08<Harrison>I based that off of examples online.
00:08<kop>Harrison : You need to call getopt repeatedly, for each argument.
00:09<Harrison>kop: So how do I do that?
00:09<Harrison>I thought line 2 took care of that.
00:10<Harrison>kop: This is the site I read it on, which had examples that looked like that.
00:10<kop>Harrison : I guess this is why I don't use getopt....
00:10<Harrison>kop: PITA?
00:11<istoc>Same problem. Didnt see something before, GPG error, sigs invalid
00:11<kop>Harrison : You'll note the script at the url has a while loop over the getopt.
00:11<billy_>that error can be ignore for now
00:11<billy_>try running apt-get dist-upgrade
00:11<Harrison>kop: Okay, I guess I should try that.
00:11<kop>istoc : Hang on a sec.
00:12<kop>billy_ : If he does that, then he's irrevocably commited to lenny, right?
00:12<Harrison>Now I have to add a done...
00:12<billy_>kop - what has happened is he is still stuck on Etch, while most of the other packages are already on Lenny
00:12<kop>billy_ : What if he installed etch, and it changed out from under him into lenny.
00:12<billy_>he needs to dist-upgrade to get all major packages over to Lenny as well
00:12<billy_>he currently had a mixed system - the dist-upgrade will cure him
00:12<Harrison>kop: No difference. =/
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00:13<kop>billy_ : So, you're staying he's already commited to lenny.
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00:13<billy_>the only other option is to manually downgrade each Lenny package - which could take days
00:13<kop>billy_ : Ok.
00:13<istoc>Run the command?
00:14<istoc>Says invalid operation
00:14<kop>istoc : You need to explicitly use a version name "lenny", in your sources.list. That way the next time there's a new debian release you won't upgrade (partially) without knowing it.
00:14<istoc>oops type heh
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00:14<istoc>Do I replace testing with lenny then?
00:15<kop>Harrison : You need to type in the script, and gradually morph it into your script.
00:15<kop>Harrison : Testing each change.
00:15<kop>Harrison : Have you programmed before?
00:15<Harrison>kop: HTML and CSS.
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00:16<billy_>lol - html and css is not programming
00:16<kop>Harrison : That's not really programming. There's no control structures.
00:16<kop>Harrison : Which is where you're having your problem now.
00:16<Eth1c>to bad html and css wasent programming.. then i could feel cool and say i was a programmer
00:16<kop>Harrison : You need to start with something little. Hopefully that you know works, and then build on that.
00:17<Harrison>kop: That's what I did.
00:17<Harrison>kop: This used to be just a 3 line script.
00:17[~]Supaplex <3's
00:17<kop>Eth1c : I'd give xml/xslt the benefit of the doubt though.
00:18<istoc>Tried apt-get dist-upgrade, gives error couldnt stat source package list
00:18<kop>Harrison : Then your testing was not so good. When did it break?
00:18<kop>Harrison : It never handled more than one argument.
00:18<Harrison>kop: No. It didn't handle any arguements.
00:18<Eth1c>uhhh what port is ftp?
00:18<Eth1c>like default.. o_O
00:18<Eth1c>bleh i just check cpanel
00:19<Harrison>kop: The first script consisted of two cd commands, and then run the program.
00:19<billy_>istoc, paste the exact error
00:19<billy_>to me in pm
00:19<kop>Eth1c : ftp is two ports. It's grody. 20 and 21.
00:19<billy_>21 is the "main" ftp port
00:19<Eth1c>mmmkay il give it a go
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00:20<kop>billy_ : there is no "main" ftp port. If either is blocked it won't work.
00:20<billy_>not true
00:20<billy_>my ftp server's port 20 is blocked
00:20<billy_>my ftp server still works fine
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00:21<kop>billy_ : it's not blocked in both directions, or nobody would be able to get listings or download anything.
00:21<kop>billy_ : For that matter the bulk of the information passes through port 20.
00:21<billy_>yeah, well the user connects to port 21 - 20 is used behind the scenes
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00:22<Eth1c>it connected fine
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00:23<kop>Harrison : Try just picking up the arguments and printing them with echo.
00:23<kop>Harrison : Then you'll know that part works.
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00:23<Harrison>kop: I'll try.
00:24<billy_>so... Anyone here use Sid?
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00:25<blarson>billy_: I'm using sarge, etch, and sid. I think I may have lenny on one of my test systems.
00:25<billy_>blarson! yay!
00:25<billy_>do you have an ati card?
00:27<blarson>billy_: Not that I use regularly. The sparc ultra-5 and 10 machines have ati on-board, but I disable it on the 10's since I use creator graphics on them.
00:27<Harrison>Okay, wtf.
00:27<Harrison>It is saying "Error (21) "done" expected.
00:27<Harrison>Line 21 is "done"
00:28<billy_>:/ bummer, blarson
00:28<kop>Harrison : Every while ... ; do ... ; done loop needs a done. it says you don't have one.
00:28<Harrison>I'm looking right at it.
00:28<Harrison>Okay, fixed.
00:28<kop>Harrison : You could be missing a semicolon somewhere.
00:29<Harrison>It was a stupid mistake.
00:29<kop>Harrison : Shell syntax is ... odd.
00:29<Harrison>kop: While somehow disappeared. =/
00:29<kop>Harrison : Almost always is.
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00:30<billy_>kop - i figured out istoc's problem
00:30<billy_>he is behind a proxy
00:30<billy_>he's at a university
00:30<kop>billy_ : oogle.
00:31<kop>billy_ : (Or maybe urgle.)
00:31<billy_>now - i don't know how to get apt to use the proxy
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00:31<kop>billy_ : dpkg-reconfigure apt?
00:31<istoc>If the mirror is on campus (slugug) would that work?
00:31<billy_>it still might be behind the proxy
00:32<billy_>change your sources back to the uni
00:33<kop>istoc : Sorry to hear you accidently partially upgraded. That's one of the few things you can mis-configure and have much badness happen to your system. Hope billy can fix you up. Gotta go.
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00:33<billy_>run apt-get upgrade - see if it still produces the same error as you just pasted me in pm.
00:33<billy_>kop, 'night.
00:33<istoc>Ok, thanks for the help
00:34<istoc>Sorry its been such a pain
00:34<blarson>billy_: I forgot, one of my sid systems does have an ati card. Not that I use the screen on it other than rebooting.
00:35<billy_>blarson, lol - well that doesnt help :/
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00:35<istoc>billy_, same problem "Couldnt stat source package list"
00:35<billy_>my radeon driver upgraded tonight for Sid and now everything is HUGE. The resolution is still 1280x1024, it sjust huge fonts, huge icons, etc
00:36<billy_>istoc, you didnt get the Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) errors?
00:36<blarson>billy_: Probably not related to the ati at all. I think gdm no longer defaults to adding -dpi 96 or some such.
00:36<istoc>When doing apt-get install bzip2?
00:36<billy_>thanks blarson I'll have to look into that
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00:37<billy_>istoc, when doing the apt-get upgrade
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00:37<blarson>billy_: It was discussed on debian-devel. I don't use *dm so didn't pay much attention. (I use startx.)
00:37<billy_>i mena apt-get update
00:37<istoc>Lemme see
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00:37<billy_>freak, i cant type very well tonight
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00:39<istoc>Same bzip2 error 2
00:39<billy_>thanks blarson - I found a lot of recent info on what you mentioned and it all looks relevant to my situation!
00:39<billy_>istoc, do you know the proxy information so you can logon?
00:40<istoc>From the linux box?
00:40<istoc>I need a browser to logon
00:40<billy_>no you dont
00:40<billy_>so you know the login info for a browser to get online?
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00:40<billy_>ok hold on
00:41<istoc>We login via a javascript prompt on a intranet site
00:41<billy_>there you go
00:41<billy_>follow those instructions
00:41<billy_>and then your apt will start working
00:41<istoc>Ok, thanks heh
00:42<billy_>let me know if it works
00:43<istoc>Asked a friend, says they dont think were behind a proxy server /sigh
00:43<billy_>try it anyway
00:43<billy_>i think you are
00:46<istoc>Sigh, I have the sn/pw but I dont know the domain/port
00:46<billy_>open a browser and see if you can find it
00:46<billy_>if the popup dialog doenst show it, view the preferences to find it
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00:48<istoc>I only have to login weekly, not sure how to access it otherwise
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00:48<istoc>Windows clients have to use a program "clean acess agent".
00:48<billy_>its not in your browsers preferences?
00:49<billy_>then you need to contact your uni's admin
00:49<billy_>until you get the proxy info you cannot use apt on that connection
00:49<istoc>Ok, Ill send an email, thanks a lot for the help.
00:50<billy_>and you have confirmed that you have a proxy because ya'll have to logon - if there wasnt a proxy, then there would be no logon
00:50<billy_>your welcome, istoc!
00:50<billy_>glad I could help
00:50<istoc>Night then, Ill probably be back later tomorrow heh
00:50<billy_>i probably wont be back
00:50<billy_>i came in here for my own problem
00:50<billy_>which is now solved too
00:50<istoc>Ah heh
00:50<istoc>Ill make a post then, probably would work better
00:51<istoc>Thanks again.
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01:35<Jason>Isnt it amazing how the manipulation of serotonin and dopamine receptors in the body result in amazing feelings/experiences ?
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02:21<marcel>Hello everyone, and good morining for people in Europe.
02:21<marcel>I have a problem with my keyboard: yesterday I was playing with it to configure the multimedia shortcuts (I used "keytouch" and the kde keyboard tool), and now my left ctrl key does not work anymore (left ctrl+c, ctrl+x, and ctrl+v do not work, for example, while using the right ctrl I have no problems). How may I fix it?
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02:26<hachi>I'm having trouble with a debian box here not running user crontabs... I can't figure out any way to debug it because it just never seems to happen
02:26<hachi>anyone ever seen this?
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02:31<eth1c>what would i use to burn a ISO as an image?
02:32<tupa>eth1c, that's more like a personal choice, I would choose gnomebaker or k3b
02:32<tupa>the former is installed by default if you installed desktop
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02:34<gsimmons>eth1c: Depending on the medium, you can also use 'wodim' or 'growisoimage'.
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02:39<gsimmons>eth1c: s/growisoimage/growisofs/
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02:54<alt_>ÎÉË ÓÐÅÒÌÉ
02:55<mjk>alt_: English, please.
02:56<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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02:58<alt_>im sorry i missplaced net
02:59<mjk>alt_: No problem.
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02:59<alt_>i think i connect to our local irc network :)
02:59<mjk>alt_: :-)
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03:16<eth1c>i have a problem with gnome baker... it says "Empty disk" then it so called burns it... completes a 680mb iso in a minitue... says its done..
03:16<eth1c>but nothing is wrote on cd.. and then it still says its empty o_O
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03:18<larsus>eth1c: and the simulate option is not ticked?
03:20<eth1c>naww.. something is on crack...
03:20<eth1c>cus now it says the disk has 3 something gigs of free space..
03:20<eth1c>and its a 700MG CD-R
03:20<eth1c>ahh nvm that was my error i clicked data-dvd that time
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03:21<eth1c>i see no simulate option in GnomeBaker larsus?
03:22<larsus>eth1c: a testburn option there when clicking burn...
03:23<eth1c>i click the bubble "Only creat iso image" is that where im going wrong?
03:23<eth1c>"only creat image"*
03:24[~]Ten notices own comment is useless and shuts up.
03:24<larsus>ah, that makes an img on you hdd I guess...
03:24<eth1c>"on the fly" should that be checked or not?
03:25<larsus>Ten: no, maybe k3b is easier :)
03:25<eth1c>Ten, k3b is a burner also correct?
03:25<eth1c>is it already installed? if not is it on aptitude?
03:25<larsus>eth1c: on the fly means directly from source to cd
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03:25<larsus>eth1c: no cache
03:25<larsus>eth1c: should be ticked
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03:27<Ten>eth1c: k3b is a burner, and very easy too. Lots of routine stuff is provided for in the GUI.
03:27<Ten>I prefer it to the evil proprietary ones I used to use :)
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03:28<eth1c>installing it now
03:28[~]eth1c nods
03:28[~]Ten goes and does glamorous geeky stuff like washing coffee cups.
03:29<eth1c>loololol..... glamorous... :|
03:29<eth1c>alt+0175 \(o_O)/ alt+0175 =) haha i unno how to do special ascii chars on debian
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03:33<eth1c>omfg! i actually here my cd burner going with k3b
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03:35<ifvoid>Ten: real geeks don't wash there cups!
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03:35<eth1c>i use 1 cupp
03:36<eth1c>wash it every time i get a diff type of drink
03:36<eth1c>it has that crazy frog on it
03:36<ifvoid>well, real geek only drink coffee and beer!
03:36<ifvoid>and eat only pizza!
03:37<eth1c>now thats a true lie
03:37<eth1c>you forgot mac n cheese
03:37<eth1c>if true nerds dont eat mac n cheese
03:38<eth1c>i dont wanna be a nerd ever again
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03:38<ifvoid>macaroni and cheese?
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03:38<ifvoid>isn't that some cheap american rip-off of a nice pasta dish?
03:38<eth1c>if i was as rich as bill gates id still but generic mac and cheese
03:38<eth1c>dont hate till you taste it
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03:39<eth1c>once you taste it your welcome to ur opinion though :)
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03:39<ifvoid>actually, the only person I've ever seen eating macaroni and cheese was a former housemate of mine from Aruba
03:39<eth1c>where are you located?
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03:41<eth1c>kk i shall go test this cd
03:41<eth1c>see if it boots
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03:41<Ten>macaroni cheese is pure gold.
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04:16<personman>hello all :D I recently tried installing Debian 4.0 AMD64 on a machine with a nvidia nforce 570 based motherboard, the hard drive is SATA, and the installer doesn't read any of the partitions on it
04:16<personman>if anyone has any ideas, would be appreciated, thanks.
04:17<sep>personman, the installer found the drive, but didnt find exsisting partitions ?
04:17<sep>do you use some raid configuration on the motherboard ?
04:17<personman>no raid config, as far as i can recall it did pick up the drive
04:17<sep>or did it simply not find the harddrive ?
04:18<ifvoid>personman: easy to check
04:18<personman>it was actually awhile ago last time i tried, i can give it a shot here again in a sec, and get more details, sorry
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04:18<ifvoid>personman: check dmesg for which drives are detected
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04:18<sep>personman, you can alto run cat /proc/partitions to see it the kernel have detected any partitions.
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04:21<AKuehntopf>hello, what can i do if my hard disk drive numbering is not consistent on reboots
04:21<AKuehntopf>for example on one reboot one drive is hda, on another reboot it is hde
04:21<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: that's pretty weird
04:21<AKuehntopf>happens with both etch and sid (2.6.18 and 2.6.21)
04:21<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: using the same kernel?
04:22<AKuehntopf>same kernel
04:22<AKuehntopf>maybe something to do with the initialization order of the ide controllers?
04:22<ifvoid>any kind of unusual hardware?
04:22<ifvoid>extra ide controllors or so?
04:22<AKuehntopf>its just mainboard + sil680 ide controller
04:22<AKuehntopf>i wanted to do a raid 5 setup
04:22<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: yeah, that sounds like it could be it
04:23<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: are you using the stock debian kernels?
04:23<AKuehntopf>i will try to put the pci card into another slot
04:23<AKuehntopf>yes, everything freshly installed
04:23<AKuehntopf>it even happend right after installation
04:23<AKuehntopf>so i had to change the grub root to hda
04:23<ifvoid>I guess you should force the kernel to load the modules for your ide cards in the correct order then
04:23<AKuehntopf>because it thought the drive was hde
04:24<ifvoid>that might involve some initrd trickery though
04:24<ifvoid>maybe there's a module option or something
04:24<ifvoid>let me check
04:25<ifvoid>what kind of controller is on your mainboard?
04:25<Supaplex>and obsessive controlling one ;)
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04:29<AKuehntopf>ifvoid: i have to look but i think it's an via chipset
04:29<AKuehntopf>via chipset..
04:29<ifvoid>I was hoping there would be some nice options to specify the ide port it should be using
04:29<AKuehntopf>i put the card down the last slot on the mobo
04:29<ifvoid>but htere doesn;t seem to be anything nice
04:29<AKuehntopf>the first boot worked ;)
04:30<ifvoid> * If you have strange problems with nVidia chipset systems please
04:30<ifvoid> * see the SI support documentation and update your system BIOS
04:30<ifvoid> * if neccessary
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04:30<ifvoid>sorry about that
04:30<AKuehntopf>it's a via chipset
04:30<ifvoid>that's from the driver source
04:30<ifvoid>oh right
04:32<ifvoid>could you put the output of lsmod on a pastebin?
04:32<ifvoid>and maybe also the output of lspci
04:32<AKuehntopf>yes, a moment please
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04:32<AKuehntopf>now the numbers changed again ;(
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04:32<AKuehntopf>it's always hda with hde
04:33<AKuehntopf>as if the ide controller is initialized before the mainboard controller
04:33<ifvoid>that kind of makes sense
04:33<AKuehntopf> keyboard stopped working
04:33<ifvoid>the question is now only how to force one be be loaded first
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04:35<AKuehntopf>seems like another bug
04:35<AKuehntopf>on 2.6.21 the keyboard stops working ;/
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04:36<OlaF__>hi, sry for disturbing u i have a problem with lirc-modules-source :( it cant find a valid kernel source tree, although i ve got kernel-headers and kernel-source installed
04:37<ifvoid>are you using modules-assistent?
04:37<Maulkin>OlaF__: And what version of Debian are you running?
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04:37<OlaF__>i tried dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source
04:37<ifvoid>that's not an answer to the question
04:37<OlaF__>i use 4.0 amd64
04:38<OlaF__>ok what is the modules-assistent?
04:38<AKuehntopf>it helps with installing modules from source
04:39<OlaF__>no havnt used it
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04:40<ifvoid>OlaF__: you should
04:40<AKuehntopf>ifvoid, lspci and lsmod output is available
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04:41<ifvoid>OlaF__: module-assistent prepare
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04:41<ifvoid>OlaF__: then module-assistent build lirc-modules-source
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04:42<OlaF__>ok thx will try
04:42<AKuehntopf>it would be nice if i could force the system to always load via82cxxx before siimage
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04:43<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: indeed
04:43<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: I think you need to modify the initrd for that
04:43<ifvoid>let me check
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04:47<AKuehntopf>ifvoid, do you think it would help to add siimage to blacklist
04:47<AKuehntopf>and load it later on?
04:47<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: in principle, yes
04:48<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: the problem is that the modules get loaded in the initrd, which is all handled before all your fiels and such are available
04:48<ifvoid>so simply editing stuff in /etc won't xut it
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04:48<ifvoid>you will need to edit the initrd
04:48<AKuehntopf>got any howto on this topic?
04:49<pahari>is there anybody who knows about debian network installation
04:50<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: I was lookign, but I can't find anything
04:50<ifvoid>I'm sur eit should be easily possible though
04:50<ifvoid>pahari: just ask your question
04:51<pahari>i am now able to boot through network but after it is asking for mirror options..
04:51<pahari>but i want to install it from my local server..without using internet..
04:51<pahari>i did pxe booting..
04:52<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: as a workaround, you could use the stuff in /dev/disk/by-uuid or by-id instead of simply hda etc
04:52<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: this identifiers shouldn't change
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04:53<pahari>ifvoid: r u getting me..?
04:53<personman>cat /proc/partitions listed all the partitions, but they aren't showing in the installer
04:53<dpkg>r is, like, a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r"
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04:53<ifvoid>pahari: so you have a local mirror?
04:53<ifvoid>pahari: can't you just enter that?
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04:53<pahari>i wnt to install it from iso cd image
04:54<ifvoid>that should just wokr
04:54<ifvoid>just boot from the cd
04:54<pahari>i wnt it from my server..
04:54<pahari>not frm my cd drive..
04:54<ifvoid>oh, the iso is on the server?
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04:55<pahari>i set up tftp server and dhcp server..
04:55<ifvoid>jus tmount it there then, and make it accessibel from http, and you have you own local mirror
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04:55<ifvoid>booting from the network
04:55<ifvoid>have you read the installation manual?
04:55<pahari>booting frm the netwok is ok now..
04:56<pahari>after setting up the locale it is asking for locale...
04:56<pahari>what i dont want..
04:56<ifvoid>and is the cd available via the network?
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04:57<pahari>under pxelinux.cfg dir default file is there..
04:57<ifvoid>ie, loopback mounted, and accessible via http or ftp?
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04:57<DTE>hi all
04:57<pahari>i suppose i need to configure that default file
04:57<pahari>is it?
04:58<ifvoid>pahari: ?
04:58<ifvoid>pahari: just enter your local address as the mirror
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04:58<pahari>but it is showing that it is not a valid mirror..
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04:59<pahari>this error are coming time and again
04:59<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: ah, found it, I think
04:59<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: mount -t cramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 /mnt -o loop
05:00<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: en then edit the stuff in /mnt
05:00<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: (like blacklisting the sil module)
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05:00<ifvoid>pahari: ah
05:00<pahari>ifvoid: so what i need to do?
05:01<DTE>i'm getting problems trying to setup a mysql cluster
05:01<DTE>i always get ndbd --initial
05:01<AKuehntopf>ifvoid, should i then add the sil module to the normal module loading list?
05:01<tupa>does anyone know a good free html templates website? (something like gpld templates if they exist)
05:02<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: yes
05:02<ifvoid>pahari: i'm note sure
05:02<pahari>do u know some ref..
05:02<AKuehntopf>ifvoid, it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0"...
05:03<AKuehntopf>if i mount it with -t ramfs it mounts, but is empty
05:03<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: hmmz
05:03<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: then I don't know what's going on...
05:03<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: you could try asking in #debian-kernel
05:03<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: even though that's a more developer-oriented channel
05:04<AKuehntopf>i found this guide
05:04<AKuehntopf>seems to be exactly what i'm looking for
05:05<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: ah, that seems to be it indeed
05:05<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: be sure to include all moduel that you nee to boot!
05:06<ifvoid>including the ones for your fs
05:06<AKuehntopf>how can i know?
05:06<AKuehntopf>from lsmod?
05:06<ifvoid>lsmod show all the modules that are currently loaded
05:06<ifvoid>and modinfo modulename show show what each module is for
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05:06<AKuehntopf>well, but some modules are apparently loaded after initrd
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05:07<personman>trying to install debian 4, I have a nforce 570 based mobo and SATA hard drive. the installer doesn't list any partitions, but they all show up in cat /proc/partitions
05:07<personman>it seems to detect it as a scsi drive
05:07<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: indeed
05:07<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: so only include those that you need to boot
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05:07<ifvoid>you won't need sound, etc
05:07<personman>or uses scsi drivers of some sort
05:08<ifvoid>but only those for your ide controllers and filesystems, generally
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05:08<ifvoid>personman: yes, thats right
05:08<ifvoid>sata drivers use scsi kernel layers
05:09<personman>the cat proc listed like 5 or 6 partitions, but nothing shows in the installer
05:10<sep>personman, whats the disk called in /proc/partitions ?
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05:11<ifvoid>personman: so you're looking at /proc/partitions inside the installer?
05:11<personman>yes, i was, it listed about 5 or 6 partitions allm beginning with sda
05:11<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: and could you please file abug about this?
05:12<ifvoid>AKuehntopf: it should probably get fixed
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05:12<personman>but the installer only gives me options to wipe the drive and configure manually, lists no partitions
05:12<ifvoid>very weird
05:13<ifvoid>personman: could you please report this to #debian-boot?
05:13<sep>personman, you dont happen to use a wierd boot/partition manager ?
05:13<ifvoid>personman: all the installer developers are there
05:13<personman>well, i have multi-boot hell on here
05:13<sep>personman, since it looks kinda like
05:13<personman>vista, xp, and mandriva so far
05:13<personman>they all work though
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05:15<personman>ill check it out, and get in touch with them, thanks :)
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05:15<ifvoid>good luck
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05:20<DTE>anybody set up a mysql cluster?
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05:48<Guest669>Hey everyone! I'm having a bit of a problem with tasksel, I am trying to install the desktop environment but when I try it says Please insert the disk labeled "Debain... Netinst...." even when I do insert it and hit enter I still get that error, can anyone help?
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06:05<Guest669>Anybody here?
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06:10<xavi>Can anybody read me?
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06:11<makke>Xavi: no
06:11<Xavi>Tahnk you makke
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06:15<Xavi>Just giving a try
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06:16<Xavi>Does anybody here has a Powerbook?
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06:16<David_>Hey everyone! I'm having a bit of a problem with tasksel, I am trying to install the desktop environment but when I try it says Please insert the disk labeled "Debain... Netinst...." even when I do insert it and hit enter I still get that error, can anyone help?
06:17<David_>Also what is the package that debian uses to install the desktop environment
06:17<Xavi>take care people
06:17<haier>David_ : do you have the cdrom mounted ??
06:17<Xavi>aptitude install gnome
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06:18<haier>David_ : or apt-get install kde
06:18<David_>are they the same?
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06:18<haier>David_ : no, they are two different window managers !
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06:19<David_>because when I tried the desktop environment (Install) I get the error message saying that I need to insert the CD when its already inserted!
06:19<David_>Which one will need the CD and which one wont?
06:19<haier>David_ : can you show your /etc/apt/sources.list ??
06:19<David_>Wait a minute
06:19<personman>i'll show you mine if you show me yours :P
06:19<personman>heh sorry
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06:20<geronimo>Hello. Is there a specific channel for data recovery?
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06:21<David_>It'll take me a few minutes to get since I am uninstalling a few things on that machine
06:21<makke>hey geronimo :-)
06:21<geronimo>hi makke :(
06:21<geronimo>makke, partition mit gesamten daten entfernt :/
06:21<geronimo>wie gehts dir so?
06:21<haier>David_ : ok
06:21<makke>geronimo: testdisk probiert?
06:22<makke>geronimo: zur zeit ganz gut, und selbst?
06:22<geronimo>makke, ne, installiere grad ubuntu auf der anderen hdd
06:22<David_>Great... During un installation it blocked all ports and I can't even get into web min nor FTP
06:22<geronimo>makke, seit mir klar ist dass meine daten nicht mehr wirklich "da" sind ist mir übel
06:22<haier>David_ : strange !! it shouldn't
06:22<David_>Just quickly which is better gnome or kde and which one wont need the installation CD
06:22<makke>mit testdisk und co sollte $einiges zu retten sein
06:23<David_>Just quickly which is better gnome or kde and which one wont need the installation CD
06:23<haier>David_ : there is no better !! it's a personal choice. I'm using Gnome, but kde is also cool !
06:23<David_>And which one wont need the installation cd
06:24<geronimo>makke, hast du das mal ausprobiert? ist das schwierig?`bin doch son honk
06:24<haier>David_ : it depends on which debian you are trying to install ?
06:24<makke>geronimo: bisher hatte ich immer glück ;)
06:24<David_>I am using netinst
06:24<makke>geronimo: aber testdisk/photorec ist nicht so schwer zu bedienen
06:25<geronimo>gibts das als kubunti package?
06:25<haier>David_ : which version of debian ? etch ?? lenny ??
06:25<geronimo>makke, auch wenn die partition, wo es drauf war nicht mehr existiert?
06:25<haier>David_ : i think that the netinst cdrom contain already the gnome desktop environment !
06:26<haier>David_ : i'm not sure about kde
06:26<makke>geronimo: ja, ist in universe
06:26<David_>No, it doesn't, I need to download
06:26<makke>geronimo: Description: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool
06:26<haier>David_ : ok, but if you planned to install debian via netinst, you must have an internet connection
06:26<David_>Obviously, what am I using now? lol
06:27<haier>David_ : cool !
06:27<David_>And I just got into FTP
06:28<David_>Do you need
06:28<David_>or sources.list~
06:28<geronimo>makke, jetzt müsste nur noch mein ubuntu starten O.o warum will das denn nicht
06:28<makke>THIS IS NOT #ubuntu :P
06:28<haier>Davis_ :sources.list
06:28<geronimo>makke, sorry!
06:28<haier>David_ :sources.list
06:28<makke>geronimo: irgendeine meldung?
06:29<geronimo>ne, nur wie als noch gar kein os drauf war
06:29<David_>Line 3: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29]/ etch contrib main
06:29<David_>Line 6: deb etch main
06:29<David_>Line 7: deb-src etch main
06:29<David_>Line 9: deb etch/updates main contrib
06:29<David_>Line 10: deb-src etch/updates main contrib
06:29<David_>Thats all
06:30<kamila>hi, anyone experienced with kernel 2.6.21 ??
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06:30<makke>geronimo: grub evtl. nicht richtig installiert?
06:30<haier>Davis_ : ok
06:30<haier>Davis_ : try to type : apt-get update in a root terminal
06:31<David_>I did that Around an hour ago
06:31<geronimo>makke, scheint so
06:31<David_>I think its already up to date
06:31<haier>Davis_ : did you have an error message before .
06:31<haier>Davis_ : 1 sec
06:32<haier>Davis_ : ls /cdrom/ outputs what ?
06:32<David_>Terminal is currently unavailable
06:32<David_>But FTP is
06:33<David_>I'll check now
06:33<haier>Davis_ : try "ls -l /cdrom"
06:33<David_>Outputs NOTHING
06:33<David_>( in ftp)
06:33<haier>Davis_ : don't use ftp
06:34<David_>I said I can't use the terminal for at least another half hour
06:34<geronimo>why that?
06:34<haier>Davis_ : wait
06:35<geronimo>makke, ich installier mal sidux
06:35<David_>Anything else I can do until its free?
06:35<haier>Davis_ : i must have the result of "ls -l /cdrom" from shell
06:35<David_>If I'm uninstalling something, and I reboot
06:36<makke>geronimo: oder kanotix thorhammer
06:36<David_>Will anything... bad.... happen
06:36<David_>Like corruption?
06:36<haier>Davis_ : no ! what are you uninstalling ?
06:36<geronimo>makke, warum kanotix? hat das team kano nicht verlassen?
06:36<David_>Currently a big package
06:36<makke>geronimo: ich bin noch da ;)
06:36<makke>geronimo: ok, alle anderen sind weg
06:36<David_>Should I reboot?
06:36<haier>Davis_ : use Ctrl+C
06:36<geronimo>ok, reißts das raus? :P
06:36<makke>geronimo: kanotix basiert jetzt auf etch
06:36<makke>also weniger arbeit
06:37<geronimo>makke, hmm, das ist testing, oder?
06:37<David_>Nothing happens
06:37<haier>Davis_ : use Ctrl+X
06:37<makke>geronimo: mittlerweile stable
06:37<haier>Davis_ : or Ctrl+D
06:37<David_>Nothing happens
06:37<haier>Davis_ : ok, reboot then
06:37<geronimo>makke, oh, mag ich nicht, ist doch alles so alt, oder?
06:38<makke>geronimo: im moment gehts noch
06:38<makke>geronimo: sid ist natürlich aktueller
06:38<haier>i'm back in few minutes
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06:39<geronimo>makke, wie ist die trennung der projekte gelaufen? gabs da krach?
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06:40<makke>zumal es sehr plötzlich war
06:40<makke>frag halt kano ;)
06:40<geronimo>der hatts schon 1k mal erzählt
06:41<makke>dir? ;)
06:41<makke>oder frag devil in sidux
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06:41<makke>ich hab da ziemlich rausgehalten und werde mich auch nicht mehr einmischen
06:41<David_>ls -l /cdrom outputs NOTHING
06:41<geronimo>ne, mir nicht
06:41<makke>ich paketiere einiges für kano und für sidux
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06:41<David_>Neither does ls /cdrom
06:42<geronimo>könntest ja nur kurz die streitpunkte nennen, würd mich interessieren, will da ja auch nicht groß salz in die wunde streuen
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06:42<David_>(Done reboot)
06:42<makke>geronimo: naja, kano hat keine neue version rausgebracht, sid war angeblich die ganze zeit zu instabil
06:42<makke>geronimo: da gabs keine richtige kommunikation mehr zwischen kano und slh
06:43<makke>geronimo: dann hat das "kanotix-team" entschieden was auf sid-basis zu machen
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06:43<makke>geronimo: alles demokratischer zu gestalten etc.
06:43<geronimo>traurig irgendwie
06:44<makke>kano wollte seine scripts dann natürlich nicht hergeben, und das führte wieder zu etwas streit
06:44<geronimo>hmm, meine sata platte will nicht
06:44<makke>nvidia und sowas
06:44<David_>(Done reboot)
06:44<geronimo>makke, aber waren die scripte nicht eh gpl?
06:45<makke>kano hat jetzt ein kanotix auf etch-basis mit ubuntu-kernel
06:45<makke>nein, es stand keine lizenz in den scripts
06:45<geronimo>muss man grub irgendwie einprügeln dass das ne sata platte ist?
06:46<makke>wenn ubuntu zu doof ist
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06:46<geronimo>makke, sidux*
06:46<haier>David_ :i'm back
06:46<makke>geronimo: /boot/grub/ stimmt?
06:46<geronimo>makke, ich schau schnell
06:46<David_>Your command output'ed nothing
06:47<geronimo>makke, wie weiß ich ob die stimmt?
06:47<haier>David_ : this mean that the cdromis not mounted
06:47<makke>welches device ist denn deine root
06:47<makke>wo haste installiert
06:47<makke> /dev/?
06:47<haier>David_ : you must mount it
06:47<geronimo>also hd0 ist /dev/hdb
06:47<David_>I did
06:47<geronimo>hd1 ist /dev/sda
06:48<geronimo>auf hd1 ist root
06:48<haier>how ??
06:48<David_>How I mounted it
06:48<David_>Through VPC
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06:49<haier>ok, where is located then ?? /media/cdrom??
06:49<makke>geronimo: grep ^#\ groot /boot/grub/menu.lst
06:49<David_>I even have the option to release it
06:49<David_>I have never had this problem before
06:49<geronimo>was tut das?
06:49<David_>I'm not sure
06:50<haier>try in root : "mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom"
06:50<makke>geronimo: dir zeigen ob die menu.lst auch hd1 (sda) benutzt
06:50<David_>Currently there is nothing in /media/cdrom
06:50<geronimo>ja, hd1,0
06:51<haier>type : mkdir /media/cdrom
06:51<David_>There is something in cdrom0 though
06:51<makke>geronimo: dann sollte er auch booten
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06:51<geronimo>makke, hmm, sollte
06:51<David_>But I tried it and it says I need to specify a file system
06:51<haier>so create a ymbolic name to cdrom
06:52<makke>geronimo: bios auch richtig?
06:52<David_>Whats that
06:52<geronimo>makke, ich gugg
06:52<David_>Sorry I've only been using linux for a week now
06:52<haier>don't worry
06:52<haier>wait ...
06:53<geronimo>makke, advanced bios features>boot sequence, cd/dvd, da drunter sata
06:53<geronimo>makke, hab aber die andere hdd am selben ide kabel wie das cdrom
06:53<noflash>geronimo, this is an english speaking channel
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06:53<geronimo>noflash, sorry, I will continue in english
06:54<haier>ls /media/cdrom0 outputs what ??
06:54<noflash>thank you :)
06:54<geronimo>makke, made the sata first boot device now
06:54<makke>geronimo: k
06:54<geronimo>makke, isn't helping though
06:54<haier>type mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
06:55<makke>geronimo: ask in #ubuntu or ask kano or in #sidux ;)
06:55<geronimo>thanks ^^
06:55<David_>mount: You mut specify a file system first
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06:56<haier>type mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom
06:57<David_>block device /dev/hdc/ is write-protected, mounting read-only
06:59<David_>Still there?
06:59<haier> mount -rt iso9660 -o check=r /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
06:59<haier>this will absolutely work ;-)
07:00<David_>Think again
07:00<haier>it works ?
07:00<David_>mount: /dev/cdrom already mounted or /media/cdrom busy
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07:01<haier>thats mean that the cdrom is aleady mounted
07:01<haier>now remount it ok ?
07:01<haier>you type umount /media/cdrom
07:01<haier>and after that
07:01<haier> mount -rt iso9660 -o check=r /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
07:01<haier>ok ?
07:02<David_>Nothing came up
07:03<haier>ls /media/cdrom
07:03<haier>testing what ?
07:03<David_>Desktop environment
07:03<haier>and ??
07:03<David_>The initial problem
07:04<David_>With the CD not being found
07:04<haier>what the ls /media/cdrom outputs ???ù
07:04<David_>The CDs contents
07:04<haier>now type apt-get update
07:04<haier>ok ?
07:05<haier>and after that apt-get install gnome
07:05<David_>Or tasksel?
07:05<David_>Which one is better?
07:05<David_>Or is it the same?
07:06<haier>as i see you are new in the world of linux
07:06<David_>SOrry I think my internet connection is lagging
07:06<haier>i suggest you to use gnome or kde first
07:06<geronimo>yeah, these are the two most userfriendly and most used
07:06<David_>So don't use Debians desktop environment?
07:07<haier>but you should khnow that there is not a better ! all the linux is better :-)
07:07<haier>i don't mean that
07:07<haier>kde and gnome are in debian
07:07<David_>So the desktop environment uses both?
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07:07<JasonS>as are a lot of other wm and de :)
07:08<haier>for a given software (gnome for example) you have a lot of packages in each system
07:08<David_>Yes I know, Jason just answered
07:08<David_>But thanks a lot for your help
07:08<haier>for gnome there are lot of packages, in theses packages are the package for debian !
07:09<David_>So just use mount -rt iso9660 -o check=r /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom when mounting a CD from now on?
07:09<haier>yeah !
07:09<David_>But of course mounting it in VPC first
07:09<David_>Thanks a lot for your help
07:09<David_>Have a GREAT day
07:09<haier>no problem
07:09<David_>And bye
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07:10<geronimo>haier, how can you be so patient?
07:11<haier>geronimo : ;) thanks !
07:12<haier>geronimo : i like the debian world !!!!
07:12<geronimo>yeah, you REALLY do
07:13<haier>what is the most interesting point in the debian in you opinion ?
07:13<haier>what is the most interesting point in the debian in your opinion ?
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07:14<geronimo>well, I really like the .debs
07:14<geronimo>even stupid people like me can use it
07:15<haier>hehe !
07:15<geronimo>when did you discover linux? how old are you?
07:15<haier>i think debian is the best distribution cause it reflects the real meaning of Open Source Software
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07:16<haier>about 4 years ago
07:16<haier>i'm 25 you ?
07:16<geronimo>I'm 18, too about 4 years ago
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07:18<geronimo>yeah. I just deleted all my data, got a new pc today, made a mistake while partitioning
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07:23<CorpseHU>Please help me with spamassasin, the amavis-spamassassin not write the spamcheck information to the mail header. i configured with more howtos help. but no effect (the log tell me the spam check, i see the hits but if the hits above 5 not write the "***SPAM***" to subject)
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07:24<CorpseHU>any ideas?
07:24<formorer>CorpseHU: first guess would be that the recipient domain is not in the list of local domains
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07:25<CorpseHU>i try the blacklisted "" the hits over 16. my sender client's ip is same subnetwork
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07:26<formorer>amavis won't do any spam actions if the domain is not in the list of local domains
07:26<CorpseHU>i examine any way the server think i'am a local sender?
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07:27<haier>geronimo : what mistake you did ?
07:27<geronimo>slipknot, don't forget the /
07:27<CorpseHU>the sendes domain or the receiver address
07:27<geronimo>haier, windows partition editor mislead me and made me delete the partition ^^
07:27<geronimo>haier, currently trying to recover some data
07:27<haier>geronimo : oh !!
07:28<geronimo>quite important stuff on it
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07:28<haier>geronimo : have recovered data ?
07:28<geronimo>not yet, testdisk is still running
07:28<makke>geronimo is just a ******* idiot ;)
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07:29<geronimo>yeah... I am
07:29<geronimo>makke knows me xD
07:29<haier>ah i see
07:29<geronimo>makke, you should have seen me last time this happened, I had an emotional breakdown
07:29<geronimo>I was freaking shivering
07:30<geronimo>let's see if can cheer me up
07:30<geronimo>hi slipknot
07:30<slipknot>geronimo, how are u?
07:31<haier>hi slipknot
07:31<slipknot>slipknot, this is coooooooool
07:31<geronimo>slipknot, not good
07:31<slipknot>the band, wonderful
07:31<slipknot>rock in rollll
07:31<slipknot>bye , friends
07:31<geronimo>slipknot, shut up!
07:31<slipknot>nice meet to u
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07:37<geronimo>makke, ich liebe dich <3
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07:40<makke> /ignore geronimo
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07:40<geronimo>makke, homophobic? :D
07:40<geronimo>makke, my data are recovered :D
07:40<makke>no, not really
07:41<makke>geronimo: np: Kafkas - Schwule Punks on Schlachtrufe BRD VIII ;)
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07:43<geronimo>makke, thank you so much for your help, I'll be your primary slave :P
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07:44<makke>geronimo: np: Dritte Wahl - Nur ein Sklave on Schlachtrufe BRD III
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07:49<eddie>hello, I just installed debian on this laptop... I dont have a clue what wireless chipset the inbuild wireless uses... how can I find out?
07:50<gsimmons>!tell eddie -about whats my hardware
07:50<gsimmons>eddie: Try using 'lspci | grep Network' to start with.
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07:51<eddie>gimmons: thanks :)
07:51<Karko>I had this screen before, although I forgot what to do. When I insert my debian CD into the laptop I just get a screen saying "ISOLINUX 3.31 Debian-2007-02-14"
07:51<Karko>How do I get to the installation screen?
07:51<pal>how can i set my textmode-terminal's resoultion (i want it bigger then 80x25)
07:51<MoDaX>Karko: enter boot params or just press ENTER
07:52<Karko>it doesnt let me write
07:52<Karko>I just have the screen saying that ISOLINUX
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07:52<Karko>im not in the debian installation screen where it says boot
07:53<pal>btw i can't use svgatextmode because it isn't on amd64
07:53<MoDaX>pal: no framebuffer?
07:54<eddie>gsimmoms: ive tried the suggestions but I cant find any info'
07:54<Berge>Cheers! I wonder wether Postfix can try to relay a message with lmtp before it returns 250 Ok to the original sender (and return the error code from the lmtp transaction if it's a 5xx-error).
07:54<MoDaX>eddie: paste your `lspci` to
07:54<gsimmons>eddie: If you can provide the output of 'lspci' in a pastebin, we can take a look at it.
07:54<pal>no framebuffer either i think
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07:55<pal>apt-get install framebuffer says no suck package
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07:56<eddie>gsimmons: I just tried it again and this time im getting output, I didnt before...Its a Ar5005g Atheros
07:56<MoDaX>pal: that's not what I meant. ls -l /dev/fb0 does it exist?
07:56<gsimmons>!tell eddie -about madwifi
07:56<eddie>gsimmons: I already have that installed
07:57<gsimmons>eddie: What is the problem, then?
07:57<pal>MoDaX nope, it doesn't
07:57<pal>kernel-recompile time?
07:57<eddie>gsimmons: My wireless device isnt showing anywhere other than the lspci output
07:58<eddie>gsimmons: ill do a reboot
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08:02<eddie>hmm, rebooting didnt help.. its still not showing up in ifconfig/iwconfig
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08:02<gsimmons>eddie: Did you install the madwifi modules via module-assistant?
08:02<eddie>gsimmons: no , the package manager
08:02<dpkg>madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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08:03<pal>MoDaX btw i have amd64 distrib:)
08:03<eddie>should I remove it via package manager then do it that way?
08:05<gsimmons>eddie: You can just follow the steps described by dpkg above.
08:05<eddie>gsimmons: Im doing that now :)
08:05<eddie>" Installation of the madwifi-source source failed."
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08:06<eddie>hmm, it was going okay until the last command
08:06<gsimmons>eddie: Did you amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include non-free sources?
08:06<eddie>gsimmons: nope, but I was just doing it now
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08:07<hollo>hey.. anyone who knows how i can use a text file as body with the command mail?
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08:07<formorer>hollo: cat foo | mail -s subject foo@bar.baz
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08:08<Berge>Save the cats! mail -s Subject < file_with_body
08:08<hollo>formorer, thanks a lot
08:09<formorer>Berge: I knew that somebody would say this :)
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08:09<Berge>formorer: (-;
08:09<Berge>formorer: Sorry, just had to.
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08:09<eddie>ah, I had the sarge repos's wrong
08:09<hollo>formorer, ermn... you know if i can use a custom mail server?
08:09<formorer>you can't
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08:09<formorer>install nail and read the manpage
08:10<hollo>formorer, thank you :)
08:10<Berge>Don't nail the cats.
08:10<eddie>Is this correct ?
08:10<eddie>I mean, what is the correct one
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08:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:12<Karko>Enyone know whats the F-button to get into bios in ibm thinkpad
08:12<gsimmons>eddie: "deb sarge/updates main" (append "contrib non-free" if needed)
08:13<haier>wher can i find how to recompile my kernel under debian etch ??
08:14<tarzeau>haier: look for make-kpkg and kernel-package
08:14<tarzeau>Karko: f2, ins, del, f8, f10?
08:14<Berge>Karko: Happens to be the blue IBM-button as well, from time to time.
08:14<haier>tarzeau : but where are the sources ? i want to have the last kernel
08:15<tarzeau>haier: the linux kernel sources?
08:15<tarzeau>haier: you want the latest i guess
08:15<Karko>with f8 f10 and del I always end up in the "error" -> test / restart -page
08:15<Karko>where you can test components
08:15<tarzeau>haier: the end of the linux kernel is not set yet, so you can't have the last kernel
08:16<haier>tarzeau : ^_^ yes !
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08:16<eddie>gsimmons: E: Package madwifi-source has no installation candidate
08:17<Karko>So what should I do when I get a black screen just saying "ISOLINUX 3.31 Debian-2007-02-14" after insering Debian CD and rebooting
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08:17<Zathras>anyone any insights on running Sophos on Debian (especially on the subject of auto updating)?
08:17<gsimmons>eddie: That's because it's not in sarge (the instructions are for the latest stable Debian distribution, which is "Etch"). There is a sarge backport of a previous madwifi release available however.
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08:18<Zathras>help with what?
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08:18<eddie>gsimmons: oh okay,Ill add the etch repos's for this
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08:19<Karko>enyone? :/
08:19<Karko>what should I do when I get a black screen just saying "ISOLINUX 3.31 Debian-2007-02-14" after insering Debian CD and rebooting
08:19<Karko>that one
08:19<geronimo>take it out?
08:20<Karko>and what good will that do?
08:20<gsimmons>eddie: No, you either need to upgrade your system to Etch first, or use the Sarge madwifi backports. It's _unwise_ to mix packages between releases.
08:20<Karko>at lesat it wont take me into debian installer if the cd isnt on
08:21<eddie>gsimmons: ah no, I didnt know where to find the non free sources repos
08:21<eddie>gsimmons: ignore that message, I had the window scrolled up
08:21<ranix>Hey guys, I have heard that there are two kinds of framebuffers and that what I'm trying to do can only be done with the VESA framebuffer. I have vga=0x317 as a kernel parameter. How do I check to see which kind of framebuffer I am using?
08:21<eddie>gsimmons: where can Ifind the non free sources?
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08:22<ranix>Also, I hosed /boot/initrd.img. How do I recreate it?
08:22<gsimmons>eddie: The madwifi sarge backports are mentioned in <>.
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08:23<Berge>ranix: Take a look at update-initramfs
08:23<ranix>thanks Berge. Got any clue about the framebuffer thing?
08:23<Berge>ranix: None at all, sorry.
08:23<Berge>ranix: I use X (-:
08:24<ranix>I do too, but it makes me less efficient
08:25<Berge>Nah, I can fit more terminals in X.
08:25<ranix>I can fit more web browsers in X
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08:25<Berge>Good point. Though I tend to be more distracted by mutt and irssi..
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08:30<eddie>gsimmons: the installtion seems to be working... cheers for the help:)
08:30<gsimmons>eddie: np
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08:32<Karko>guess theres nothing to do about the screen then
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08:33<Berge>Karko: What CD are you using?
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08:33<Karko>and I have a ubuntu already installed on the laptop
08:34<Karko>looks like an old debian sarge 3.1r0a boots to the installer screen
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08:34<Karko>but this new CD just goes to the "ISOLINUX" screen
08:34<Karko>maybe the CD is corrupted or then
08:34<sep>Karko, compare the md5sum /dev/cdrom with the md5sum on the webpage you dl the iso from
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08:36<Karko>how can I do that
08:36<Karko>oh, I found the m5sum when I insert the cd to this comp
08:38<Karko>should there be a dev -folder when I insert the debian CD and open it up for browsing?
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08:51<David>I need some help with Desktop Environment
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08:51<i>èç ðîññèè åñòü êòî?
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08:52<JasonS>Guest675: more specific
08:52<Guest675>I just added Debians Desktop Environment, when I boot Debian, after it has finished starting up it will switch over to the desktop, but when the desktop appears, all I see is several diagonal rainbows with strikes through them and some odd words on the left.
08:52<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
08:52<Guest675>Can anyone help me?
08:53<ranix>define 'odd words'
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08:53<ranix>Rumplestiltskin is an odd word
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08:53<Guest675>Some words and numbers but I can't tell what they are
08:53<ranix>ah, perhaps your resolution is set improperly
08:53<ranix>press alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a virtual terminal
08:54<ranix>log in as root, and do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:54<Guest675>Problem is I can't
08:54<ranix>why not
08:54<Guest675>It just immediately switches over to the "desktop"
08:54<ranix>press alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a virtual terminal
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08:55<Guest675>I'm already booting up
08:55<Guest675>But whenever I boot up it just switches over to the desktop without letting me login
08:55<ranix>press alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a virtual terminal
08:55<Guest675>Nothing happens!
08:55<JasonS>isnt it f7 ranix ?
08:56<Guest675>Nothing happens...
08:57<Guest675>When I press alt+ctrl+f1 and alt+ctrl+f7
08:57<ranix>what about alt+ctrl+backspace
08:57<JasonS>Guest675: i have to ask, you are pressing them at teh same time? i seem people press and releas
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08:58<Guest675>Nothing happens...
08:58<Metalqga>gaim has a nice irc functionality
08:58<Guest675>Do I do this during boot up or during the "desktop"
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08:59<Guest675>because I tried both
08:59<ranix>is it booted right now?
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08:59<Guest675>At the desktop
08:59<ranix>do it right now
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08:59<Guest675>A press them
08:59<Guest675>I hold them down
08:59<Karko>I got to the installation wiht older debian release, but it freezes after the Loading /iinstall/initrd.gz
09:00<Karko>I tried with boot params "linux noapic nolapic"
09:00<Guest675>Then it just immediately switches back
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09:00<Guest675>I tried ctrl+alt+f5 and it worked :)
09:00<ranix>gj Guest675
09:00<JasonS>f5? intersting
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09:02<Karko>Eny ideas why it would freeze? :/
09:02<Guest675>Eek, Server Driver
09:02<MBR>morning guys
09:02<Guest675>Whats the x Server Driver?
09:02<MBR>whats going on
09:03<Karko>trying to get thru debian installer freezing
09:03<Guest675>I just added Debians Desktop Environment, when I boot Debian, after it has finished starting up it will switch over to the desktop, but when the desktop appears, all I see is several diagonal rainbows with strikes through them and some odd words on the left.
09:04<Guest675>Can anyone help?
09:04<Guest675>I am using VPC
09:04<JasonS>Guest675: did you do the command ranix said to do?
09:04<MBR>Karko, what release are you using during the install
09:04<Guest675>But I got stuck at Server Driver
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09:05<Karko>MBR: debian-31r1-i386-binary-1
09:05<JasonS>whats the exact error/message?
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09:05<Karko>I know, its old
09:05<Guest675>It just asked what is my server driver
09:05<Karko>but the latest release wouldnt work
09:05<Guest675>But I have no clue
09:05<MBR>nothign wrong with using a tried and tested
09:05<Karko>Gave me "ISOLINUX" screen and diidnt goto the installation
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09:05<Karko>enyways, it likes to freeze after i press enter on the boot:
09:06<Karko>also tired with "linux noapic nolapic"
09:06<Guest675>I just added Debians Desktop Environment, when I boot Debian, after it has finished starting up it will switch over to the desktop, but when the desktop appears, all I see is several diagonal rainbows with strikes through them and some odd words on the left.
09:07<JasonS>Guest675: repeating isnt going to help
09:07<Karko>what is the IBM pentium microchannel mca-pentium no-hlt
09:07<Karko>should I use it since I have a IBM thinkpad with Pentium 2
09:07<Guest675>But nobody is helping and I am hoping that some people who aren't at their computer will come back and see
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09:08<JasonS>Guest675: all repeating like that will do is get you kicked out, just be patient and wait
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09:08<JasonS>and once again what is the exact error/message you got?
09:08<MBR>i don't know if the ibm think pad uses microchannel
09:08<MBR>i know their old PS/2 series desktops did
09:08<MBR>and it was crap back then
09:09<Guest675>When I execute the query
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09:09<Guest675>It comes up with the x screen driver
09:09<Karko>It just keeps freezing on that screen, no idea what causes it
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09:09<Guest675>Except i have no clue which one to pick
09:09[~]JasonS suspects you didn't install xorg
09:09<larsus>Guest675: Have you tried to install the driver for your graphic card?
09:09<Guest675>I am using VPC for the 3rd time
09:10<MBR>Karko, i'd google it. i have no idea and i'm far from a linux expert. especially debain. i'm new to debain.
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09:14<adelgado>#join iptables
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09:18<Larks>quick question, how do I install using etch minimul cd from a SATA CD-ROM drive?
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09:19<Guest675>I just configured xserver-xorg and I am still getting the raindbows
09:19<Larks>##Refined## How do I enable SATA support on the installation.
09:20<Guest675>I just added Debians Desktop Environment, when I boot Debian, after it has finished starting up it will switch over to the desktop, but when the desktop appears, all I see is several diagonal rainbows with strikes through them and some odd words on the left.
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09:22<ranix>Guest675: you probably selected bad ranges for your resolution
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09:22<ranix>Guest675: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again and use more restrictive resolution settings this time
09:22<ranix>like only 800x600
09:23<ranix>get it to work, then worry about improving the resolution later
09:23<Guest675>I tried only 640x480 but it still does not work
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09:24<Guest675>I tried 640x480 and 800x600 together but that didn't work and I tried 640x480 alone but that didn't work
09:25<MBR>can i ask ubuntu related questions in here?
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09:25<Larks>Can anyone direct me to information reguarding installation from SATA cdrom drive?
09:25<JasonS>MBR: wouldn't #ubuntu be better?
09:25<fxiny>looks like wrong hor/vert sync
09:26<MBR>yeah prolly
09:26<fxiny>Guest675: ^^^
09:26<Guest675>Can anyone help?
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09:26<Guest675>YEs fxiny?
09:26<fxiny>Guest675: read your monitor manual
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09:27<Guest675>I am using VPC, I have ran other Linux distros but this is the first time I have encountered any problems with GNOME and graphics
09:27<fxiny>Guest675: looks like horizontal and vertical sync are wrong
09:27<fxiny>Guest675: and refresh rate
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09:28<fxiny>Guest675: does it detect your monitor ?
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09:29<Larks>The answer to my question: Change SATA support in bios to compatability mode.
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09:30<fxiny>Guest675: so at the monitor scren go for "advanced" and type your correct sync
09:30<MBR>ok i have a quick question. how do i find out what version of the kernel i'm using
09:30<Guest675>I am using VPC so it emulates a monitor
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09:31<tark>hey everyone !
09:31<tark>i'm looking for debblue theme
09:31<fxiny>MBR: uname -a
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09:31<tark>apparently is not up anymore
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09:31<tark>does anybody know where i can find debblue ?
09:32<fxiny>tark: is up
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09:32<fxiny>oh no .is something else
09:32<Karko^>does debian find PC cars in laptops automaticly?
09:32<ranix> is down
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09:32<tark>fxiny replaced by
09:32<tark>very strange
09:33<ranix>lol it's an embarrassing homepage too
09:33<ranix>download my Paranois character sheets
09:33<fxiny>tark: yeahh . i did not check what it loaded
09:33<tark>ranix any idea where i can find the theme ?
09:33<tark>this sucks :|
09:33<ranix>"Sometimes I feel that I have to write down my feelings"
09:33<ranix>good god
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09:33<ranix>tark: I'd just use google myself, and wouldn't find it any better than you
09:34<fxiny>feelings ? you still human ? :)
09:34<ranix>nice find on the embarrassing maintainer's webpage though
09:34<formorer>tark: yeah, I wanted to inform the author of the debblue theme but his mail bounced, so I disabled the vhost
09:34<formorer>tark: the site had its last update two years ago
09:34<tark>hmm sad whatmore google doesn't help me much unfortunately
09:34<formorer>wait a second
09:35<ranix>looks like an orphaned project?
09:35<tark>formorer nice gallery though :)
09:36<tark>formorer many mant thanks !
09:36<tark>hmm maybe you should get it listed by google
09:37<formorer>thats a temporary place I create some secs ago, nicer would be to get in contact with author and create an updated website
09:37<tark>even though i guess all of this happened without you having control over it
09:38<tark>well many thanks still !
09:38<formorer>I unfortunatly don't have control over the .net entry (even if I asked for getting control over it)
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09:40<tark>ok well have a nice day and thanks again !
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09:41<Reaper_NZ>Help!! How do i get mkfs.vfat to turn up??? I swear it's just disappeared...
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09:42<suiside>Reaper_NZ: have you dosfstools installed?
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09:42<Reaper_NZ>I wanna know what package it'd be under in aptitude...
09:43<Reaper_NZ>I'm sure dosfstools is just the mkfs.dos ?!?!
09:43<Reaper_NZ>Also just as a silly idea, can someone pass me back my /whois and all that to me??
09:43<JasonS>Reaper_NZ: why not do it to yourself?
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09:45<Reaper_NZ>hmmm.... Ummmm.. I'm in the middle of disaster here... I got no browser to say the least... ;P
09:45<Reaper_NZ>I had triple boot, and then XP decided to destroy it...
09:45<Reaper_NZ>Went supernova as well as my plans to play mech games....
09:46<Reaper_NZ>Does that link say that vfat is in that package??
09:46<suiside>well, to be brief: you are wrong, mkfs.vfat is infact in dosfstools
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09:46<suiside>just as I said earlier
09:46<stew>Reaper_NZ: mkfs.vfat is in dosfstoos: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg search
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09:48<Reaper_NZ>Geeee... You guys seem a bit titchy... I may have flooded a bit, but straight in here trying to solve a problem that has destroyed my wonderful creation...
09:49<Reaper_NZ>I should RTFM, but IJCBF... 8P
09:49<Reaper_NZ>cheers... ;P
09:49<stew>Reaper_NZ: huh? IJCBF?
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09:49<Reaper_NZ>I just can't be fucked... ;P
09:50<Reaper_NZ>Awesome.... No Swear filter? :)
09:50<stew>i must be missing something
09:51<Reaper_NZ>I did just make it up but it is true...
09:51<Reaper_NZ>But some please care to do a whois on me at all??
09:51<Reaper_NZ>I just wanna see...
09:51<stew>Reaper_NZ: type "/whois" to see for yourself
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09:53<Reaper_NZ>Gee, They're right in J and Silent Bob strike back...
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09:54<Reaper_NZ>Anyone able to paste me my whois.... Or you could e-mail it to me.... (Like I would want you to e-mail it to me)
09:55<stew>Reaper_NZ: are you talking about your whois in irc?
09:55<JasonS>Reaper_NZ: just do it yourself
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09:55<stew>Reaper_NZ: or your whois for your ip address?
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09:56<Reaper_NZ>stew, If I wanted to read the linux how-to's, or search the forum I would've but for a simple question like this, I resorted to bitchx.....
09:56<stew>Reaper_NZ: for which question?
09:56<Reaper_NZ>Which automatically gets on here and decided to contact #debian...
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09:56<stew>Reaper_NZ: what is the question you need to have answered?
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09:56<Reaper_NZ>mkfs.vfat.... being part of dosfstools...
09:57<frank>why not using apt-file
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09:57<stew>Reaper_NZ: yes, not only did multiple people give you the correct answer, i also offered several ways that you could find out this type of information in the future
09:58<stew>Reaper_NZ: so i don't understand what the problem is? or what this has to do with howtos?
09:58<Reaper_NZ>And the whois... it's not like I would actually ask for my DNS whois is it.... I'm asking for my whois... And the other side of that is that if I do it my self I may end up with a different result...
09:58<JasonS>Reaper_NZ: you cant go /whois Reaper_NZ yourself?
09:58<stew>Reaper_NZ: i don't see why you would ask for one and not hte other. you will end up with the same result as I would
09:58<JasonS>and you end up with the exact same result as we do
09:59<frank>i guess he's about usermode i
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10:00<Reaper_NZ>I just had my newly installed triple boot system, collapse spectacularly due to the perfect nature of Win XP....
10:01<sheldonh>i just had my smokebreak pwned by the rain
10:02<Reaper_NZ>It's taken me a fair few hours to get back to some kind of usability, and the other partitions are reporting cluster failures, (Which may just be the mkfs.vfat that disappeared on me bringing me here.....
10:03<Reaper_NZ>It's been hecktic in the last day and a half...
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10:05<Reaper_NZ>And still no-one at all chucks out my details.... This is why I resort to fixing cars, rather than computers...
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10:14<Karko>When I was configuring DHCP for debian, it found the network settings and it seemed to work, now when i'm in the apt-get configuration, the sources doesnt seem to work, cannot connect
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10:21<stew>Karko: can you, for instance, ping
10:22<Karko>dunno, im at the apt configuration screen
10:22<Karko>finishing the installation
10:22<stew>Karko: you can hit alt-f2 to get to a console to test, or alt-f3 to see the installer log, then alt-f1 to get back to the installer
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10:23<Karko>oh, alright
10:24<Karko>ping unknown host
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10:25<Karko>tried to my ping ip (this computer) and it said network unreachable
10:25<Karko>weird, since when I was in the installer doing the DHCP configuration it found the settings, such as etc, and the network light is green on my router
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10:25<stew>can you "ping"?
10:26<Karko>network unreachable
10:26<Karko>oh btw
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10:26<stew>Karko: so dhcp must have failed. you might try repeating the network configuration and try using a static ip
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10:27<Karko>when I was doing the DHCP installation, it didint first work, I changed my PCI card and then it asked me to choose eth0 or eth1, eth0 didint work so I chose eth1 which worked
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10:27<Karko>maybe its trying to use the internet with eth0 and I should point it to use eth1 or something?
10:27<Karko>or am I just guessing
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10:33<Karko>well, I have no idea how I would do that (make it use eth1 instead of 0)
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10:41<Zathras>Karko, if thing do not work the other option besides chosing another NIC is finding out why it does not work
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10:56<FarkinHey>Oh man, I can't believe that I just lost all the partitions..... ALL of em.....
10:57<FarkinHey>I'm even running on knoppix live CD now to see what data I can actually salvage....
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10:58<amphi>FarkinHey: how did you manage that?
10:58<fxiny>gpart at the rescue : mount read only
10:58<fxiny>all your data are still there
10:59<FarkinHey>I WAS successfully running a triple boot, with 98, XP, and Debian....
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10:59<FarkinHey>Nah, Data gone... totally me thinks....
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10:59<fxiny>i bet you told windows to format a partition
10:59<Polska65>can someone help me with connecting usb drives to debian?
11:00<FarkinHey>I gone through rescue 3 times... It says that I can make 1 partition on the disk only and won't even wipe the partition table now....
11:00<amphi>Polska65: plug it in and mount the partition[s] ;)
11:00<deepak_>Polska65, you have usb driver install
11:00<Polska65>it does not get recognized
11:00<FarkinHey>Nah, Quite opposite, I formatted the 2 fat partitions to try and resize....
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11:01<fxiny>if you remeber your partitions size just do it : mount read only and eyeball
11:01<FarkinHey>in linux... :(
11:01<Zathras>Polska65, check lsusb with very verbose output
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11:01<amphi>Polska65: you see nothing in the log when you plug the thing in?
11:01<Polska65>somebody told me that there is 1 line that needs to be changed
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11:02<FarkinHey>and lost my linux ext partition as well for some reason....
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11:02<fxiny>last time it happened to me i lost 10 R.E.M cds on a damned logical !
11:02<FarkinHey>It says there's too many primary partitions....
11:03<FarkinHey>I been contending with that for a while, trying to avoid the win98 floppy, cannot make a partition.....
11:04<FarkinHey>I used QTparted and can only see one drive.... even cfdisk has an issue and doesn't want to touch it.....
11:04<FarkinHey>Flippen XP getting a virus.... Fricken meltdown my PC......
11:05<Polska65>is there a line that can be changed to pick up usb drives?
11:05<FarkinHey>I just plugged mine in and it gets picked up......
11:05<FarkinHey>without any extras.....
11:06<FarkinHey>but then again, aptitude....
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11:07<FarkinHey>Anyone know where I can actually get mechcommander 2 comiled for linux????
11:07<FarkinHey>compiled even...
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11:09<FarkinHey>Lucky, Anyone know how to completely wipe this disk,???
11:09<FarkinHey>I just found a server backed up what I was worried about.....
11:10<FarkinHey>It says there's too many primary partitions on it....
11:10<FarkinHey>Which there were.....
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11:13<FarkinHey>oh well, never mind, seems to let me now....
11:13[~]Nightroad is away: I'm busy
11:13<FarkinHey>It must've been wipeing.....
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11:14<Erbureth>Hi, guys
11:14<Erbureth>Farkin: have you tried direct writing onto /dev/hda using dd?
11:14<AlabamaRider>how are ya?
11:14<dpkg>eh, ok, AlabamaRider
11:14<Erbureth>it should wipe it :)
11:15<Polska65>i do not know that much about linux
11:15<AlabamaRider>eh, how r u dpkg?
11:15<Polska65>this info i need for a customer
11:15<fxiny>dpkg answers are amzing ...
11:15<dpkg>fxiny: okay
11:15<Erbureth>well, i got a little problem here
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11:16<Erbureth>been trying to install propietary NVIDIA drivers onto debian lenny, kernel 2.6.21-2(-k7)
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11:18<Erbureth>driver version 9639, and it refuses to install due to some error
11:18<Erbureth>FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'para
11:18<Erbureth> virt_ops'
11:18<Erbureth> make[3]: *** [__modpost] Error 1
11:18<Erbureth> make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2
11:18<Erbureth> NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
11:18<Erbureth> nvidia.ko failed to build!
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11:18<FarkinHey>I'll be back in like 5 mins if all goes well... :)
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11:19<Erbureth>ah, i cannot even copy-paste error message :)
11:19<Erbureth>FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'
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11:20<Erbureth>anyone has any idea?
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11:20<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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11:22<ranix>Does anyone know anything about bootsplash, or more specifically why it doesn't work?
11:24<graytron_>could you be more specific? :)
11:24<Erbureth>fxiny: thx for links, do you have any idea, how can i make it work under *.21?
11:24<Erbureth>it is working flawlessly under *.18
11:24<makke>Erbureth: edit config and compile your own
11:25<makke>Erbureth: "Processor type and features" -> "Paravirtualization support (EXPERIMENTAL)
11:25<weasel>or use .22
11:26<ranix>graytron_: I have recompiled my kernel with the bootsplash patch applied and compiled in, framebuffer is in 1024x768 VESA 16-bit mode, I've installed bootsplash and bootsplash-theme-debian, done dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash, and set splash=silent in grub as a kernel parameter
11:26<Erbureth>makke: thx, ive never compiled my own krnl, but everything's sometimes for the first time :)
11:27<ranix>and it doesn't work
11:27<makke>Erbureth: or install .22
11:27<ranix>I also do not have a /dev/splash if that makes any sense
11:27<Erbureth>weasel: i would wait, until .22 is in testing
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11:27<Erbureth>i do not feel like experimenting with sid
11:28<JasonS>hello kurumin
11:30[~]fxiny tic tic tic
11:30<ranix>ah well. This is day 2 and still nobody knows anything about bootsplash
11:30<ranix>least of all me
11:30<ranix>I guess I'll give it up
11:30<fxiny>i've done it long ago
11:30<ranix>what, given it up?
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11:31<Erbureth>btw, thank you guys, i will see, if i can make it work :)
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11:36<fxiny>ranix: i'm gonna try bootsplash in 15 minutes ,i'm curious ...
11:37<Jee>even my knoppix CD is failing, Lucky I have debian bootable off PXE......
11:37<ranix>fxiny: good luck
11:37<Jee>but I have court in 4 hours...... hmmm.... think I may just plough on....
11:37<fxiny>ranix: why ? does it mess things up ?
11:38<ranix>fxiny: no, was never in danger of that
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11:38<ranix>it just frustrated me for two days
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11:39<ctx144k>hello all
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11:40<ctx144k>iam using dm-crypt for my root-partition. and some sektors of my harddisk willbe defekt in some years, is then a mounting of the disk possible, or will i lost then all data?
11:41<ctx144k>sorry for my bad english
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11:42<weasel>if you are unlucky you will lose
11:42<DuCkNeT>anyone help me with little trouble ?
11:42<Karko>guys, is there a way to change my debian to use eth1 as a default network device instead of eth0
11:42<Karko>or something
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11:43<ranix>I'm recompiling my kernel to see if maybe I did it wrong
11:43<DuCkNeT>have ftp server install (proftp) and i want that all user using ftp going to /home/ftp how can i do that ??? i actuallty did forward the ftp to /home/ftp but can`t write to it
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11:43<suiside>Karko: look in /etc/network/interfaces
11:44<ranix>suiside: that's not where that's handled
11:45<ctx144k>weasel, ok... thnxs
11:45<Karko>suiside umm what? :)
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11:48<Karko>the primary network interface: iface eth1 inet dhcp
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11:49<Karko>so i guess its already as a default then :/
11:50<fxiny>ranix: it works
11:50<ranix>Karko: there is something that remembers interfaces that have been attached before and sets that
11:50<ranix>fxiny: eat dicks
11:50<ranix>but seriously, what did you do
11:51<ranix>something I forgot?
11:51<Karko>ranix the actual problem here is, during DHCP installion, it found eth0 and eth1, i chose eth1 and it found DHCP settings and it worked etc, seems it had internet connection at that time
11:51<Karko>but now on apt-get configuration it cant connect to eny of the sources
11:51<Karko>nor can I ping eny ip's etc, network unrachable
11:51<ranix>Karko: ah, you do just want to look at /etc/network/interfaces
11:51<Karko>weird since the network seemed to work at the time of DCHP configuration
11:51<Karko>i did take a look at the etc network interfaces
11:51<fxiny>ranix: lemme finish chewing .....
11:51<ranix>change eth1 to eth0 or vice versa
11:51<ranix>fxiny: k
11:52<ranix>fxiny: I'm recompiling my kernel now to see if I perhaps wanged something
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11:52<ranix>When I started this I didn't know as much about bootup and the kernel as I do now
11:52<ranix>although initrd still confuses the hell out of me
11:52<ranix>and initramfs
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11:54<Karko>ranix, got eny ideas how I might be able to fix this? :/
11:54<ranix>Karko: which interface is your primary network interface
11:54<ranix>Karko: eth1 or eth0
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11:55<Karko>and its the one that worked during DHCP conffing
11:55<Karko>eht0 didint
11:55<ranix>Karko: as root: ifdown eth0;ifdown eth1;ifup eth1;dhclient
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11:56<Karko>can you explain to me what that does before I do it?
11:56<Karko>sorry, just a habit
11:57<ranix>Karko: brings down both interfaces just in case they're malconfigured, brings up eth1 (probably with wonky settings from /etc/network/interfaces), then runs dhclient to broadcast a dhcp request over the only active interface
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11:57<ranix>Karko: if it works you can proceed to correctly configure /etc/network/interfaces
11:58<ranix>I'm gonna go to burger king, I'll be back in 20
11:58<Karko>I just want the internet to work so I can configure my sources :P
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12:31<ranix>Karko: how did it work out
12:31<Karko>i got it to work
12:31<Karko>some guy helped me
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12:32<Karko>dhclient eth0 and ifconfig eth0
12:32<Karko>seems it was actually eth0 that was the working one, instead of eth1 which didint exist
12:32<Karko>and yet was listed as primary in network interfaces
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12:33<ranix>Karko: ah, that makes sense
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12:33<Karko>i wonder if I can use that console with a bigger resolution
12:33<Karko>could fit more text into it :P
12:33<ranix>My computer once decided that its onboard nic was different once, after installing a second nic
12:34<Karko>thats what happened
12:34<ranix>so eth0 disappeared entirely, what was eth0 became eth2
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12:34<ranix>then the new card became eth1
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12:34<Karko>interesting :)
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12:34<ranix>yeah it's a little buggy on the functionality side
12:34<ranix>no doubt it's doing exactly what the coder intended to in some funky way
12:35<mjk>ranix: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
12:35<ranix>that's what I was looking for, z25
12:35<ranix>thanks again mjk
12:35<Karko>never try to understand a linux coder :D
12:36<Karko>what was the cmd to update again
12:36<Karko>wasnt apt-get install update
12:37<Karko>ah yes
12:37<Karko>long since i used debian last time
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12:55<kdone>hi had set runlevel to 3 and i when i boot it again it dont open the console but the gui why??
12:55<stew>kdone: debian treats all runlevels between 2-5 the same unless you do something specific to make them behave differently
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12:57<Karko>Where was the place I could change apache2 default directory
12:58<Karko>I want the default www dir to be http://address not http://address/apache2-default
12:59<flami>Karko , write a new vhost file , (looking for a link that explains how to do that )
13:00<Karko>wasnt there a file where you could set these things
13:00<Karko>I remember doing so with apache1
13:00<kop>Anybody else having trouble connecting to Is there anywhere else I can find the installation manual?
13:01<flami>you can add multiple vhosts in 1 file or each vhosts has his own file...
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13:01<blarson>kop: not .com
13:01<Karko>flami where was this vhosts file
13:01<kdone>i wanted to install nvidia drivers
13:02<kop>Karko : You go into /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and copy the default site and jigger it like you like it.
13:02<kop>Karko : Then you symlink into sites-avialable.
13:02<flami>Karko, then type a2ensite <filename> to enable it
13:03<kop>Karko : There's something in /user/share/doc/apache* somewhere. You may need to install a -doc package.
13:03<fxiny>ranix: i'm replacing my backup !
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13:03<Zathras>Hi. I have several debian boxes. One of them is gw/firewall/proxy/etc and runs squid and limits which users have www access. But I want other servers to have access to www. So I have an acl in place for that in squid. Yet there are problems. On windows this is easy. Just tell your browser to use port 3128 and it runs without authentication if the IP is in the acl. On linux not so. I have apps that require netaccess. Any thought?
13:03<Karko>i actually pico default
13:04<Karko>and comment the Redirect line
13:04<Karko>though it would have worked
13:04<Karko>or do i need to restart apache2?
13:04<kop>blarson : It was .org in my browser url. But Wasn't connecting. It is now. oh well.
13:04<kop>Karko : Yes you need to restart to re-read the configs. (There may be a signal you can send. I've not kept up.)
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13:06<Karko>how did the restart go? /etc/init.d apache2 restart ?
13:06<Karko>or what was the line to type
13:07<kdone>while i was tring to install nvidia drivers it send something about "no recompiledkernel interfacewas.."what this mean??
13:07<Supaplex>!lart freenode
13:07[~]dpkg chops freenode in half with a free AOL CD
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13:10<kop>Karko : /etc/init.d/apache2 restart (The tab key is your friend.)
13:11<kop>I'm installing a Xen hypervisor. Do I need to install enough swap for all the swappiness that might happen in the guest OSs? Or do they have their own swap?
13:11<Karko>i was missing one /
13:11<Karko>thats why it didint work :)
13:11<Karko>i tried /etc/init.d apache2 restart
13:11<Karko>when it was actually a / before apache2
13:12<Karko>that did the trick, commenting the Redirecting line in apache2 sites-available default
13:12<Karko>didint have to do eny other fancy stuff
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13:13<kop>Karko : That works, but it's cleaner to have your own site file. Otherwise when you upgrade apache it might ask about replacing config files and such. And then you have to think about it all over again.
13:16<Karko>well I copied default
13:16<Karko>then I type "a2ensite filename" to my console?
13:17<Karko>btw there was /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
13:17<Karko>when you were thinking if there was a way to re-read configs withotu restart
13:18<kop>Karko : I always do a ln -s, but it wouldn't hurt to learn to use a2ensite.
13:18<Karko>i recall after installing apache you just need to make a public_html to a computer user's home folder
13:18<Karko>i did one but it says not found :/
13:19<Karko>or was there something that had to be done first
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13:19<kop>Karko : That's all about enabling ~ in apache urls. You probably want to hit the apache web site docs. Then modify your new "site" file.
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13:20<Karko>now i dont want to edit the computer homepage (/var/www) i want to edit user called karko's public_html (to make it work)
13:20<kop>Karko : Depends on whether you want users to have their own urls automatically.
13:21<kop>Karko : Your "site" file you just copied has the path to the default index.html file. (I'd expect /var/www/karko is where you'd want it.)
13:21<kop>Karko : You may want to modify the "site" config file and then put something there.
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13:22<Karko>nono i dont want /var/www/karko
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13:22<Karko>= http://address/~karko
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13:22<kop>Karko : The site config file is dirt simple, you should read the apache docs and know what each thing does.
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13:23<kop>Karko : So, change your config file to turn on ~ processing. I forget the details. See docs.
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13:24<fxiny>what the problem is ?
13:24<Guest687>hablas español
13:24<fxiny> a2ensite default and a2enmod userdir stuff ?
13:24<kop>!tell Guest687 -about es
13:24<fxiny>i'm replacing my backups
13:24<kop>fxiny : Yes. Karko wants a userdir turned on.
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13:25<Guest687>no puedo imprimir
13:25<fxiny>kop: so #a2enmod userdir and # /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload should do it
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13:28<fxiny>Karko: ^^^^^
13:28<fxiny>kop: i had a quick look at your back up program : no too bad :)
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13:29<kop>fxiny : Where are the docs for all that a2* apache commands.
13:29<dondelelcaro>kop: there are manpages for them
13:29<kop>fxiny : Works for me. But it needs packaging etc. And probably better docs.
13:29<fxiny>kop: #a2enmod shows all command
13:29<kop>dondelelcaro : The programs are on my box but no man pages. Did I miss a package?
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13:30<kop>fxiny : The one thing I sruggled with with the backup program was whether the backup itself should be responsible for deleting old backups or if this should be a separate cron job.
13:30<dondelelcaro>kop: the manpages are in the same package as the programs; apache2.2-common.
13:31<Supaplex>kop: dpkg -L <package> | grep man
13:32<kop>Ah. I guess it's just the a2ensite command that has no man page.
13:32<fxiny>kop: is a pretty good idea checking avaiable space on partitions , you should package it
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13:32<Karko>fxiny so you want me to type "a2enmod userdir" and then restart apache2 and it works?
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13:33<fxiny>Karko: it should , yes
13:33<Karko>woot, works
13:33<kop>fxiny : The trouble with doing it as a separate process is that if the process does not run for some reason, you may not have the free space to make a backup. But I forget the problem with clearing out space in the backup itself....
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13:34<Karko>i just realized my debian laptop's time was read from hardware and it is Fri December 01 in 2001
13:34<kop>fxiny : It's another one of those things I've not gotten around to doing. (I've not actaully made any debian packages at all, ever.)
13:34<Karko>haha :D
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13:34<Karko>shit, I tought we were still on 1996
13:34<kop>Karko : At least it's not the future. _That's_ a pain.
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13:35<Supaplex>no way. it's not 1996 now?
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13:35<Karko>looks like I missed 5 years installing my laptop
13:35<Karko>Shit, I didint even know we were on December
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13:36<kop>fxiny : Ah yes. The trouble with having the backup clear space is that it's another connection. Really you want another key pair for the separate task. And that's more pain to setup.
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13:37<kop>fxiny : Given that the whole things a hassle to setup anyway, I think I left it off.
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13:38<Karko>how can I change the system clock
13:38<kop>Karko : date, then hwclock.
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13:39<Karko>umm, did that even do enything?
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13:39<kop>Karko : You'll probably be better off keeping your hardware clock in utc.
13:39<kop>Karko : No. You need to read the man page for options.
13:40<Karko>well it did say -0.122923 seconds
13:40<Karko>when i typed it
13:40<fxiny>kop: you should talk to some developper : pull/push ,ssh exchange keyes. checking avaiable space, deleting old backups : your idea are pretty good imho
13:40<kop>fxiny : dirvish has already done it. But I don't like the way they did.
13:41<kop>fxiny : Or most of it anyhow.
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13:42<kop>Karko : You should probably also install the ntp package.
13:42<Karko>whats that
13:42<ranix>make menuconfig shows an option for "use graphical bootsplash" or similar. I selected this. Do I also need to use the parameter --added-patches bootsplash when I make-kpkg, or will it be compiled in?
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13:43<kop>Karko : Ntp is Network Time Protocol. It syncs all your clocks to a central time source. (And to each other if you choose to go there.) Highly recommended if you've an always-on internet connection.
13:43<Karko>well, yeah, at least mostly on internet
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13:46<Karko>installed, openntpd, is that fine?
13:46<dondelelcaro>ntp-simple is the easy one but yes, it should work
13:47<kop>Karko : I suppose. It's not as accurate as 'stock' ntp, but is probably more secure.
13:47[~]Nightroad [XMMS] Linux is Mp3 Whitin temptation - Jillian
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13:47<kop>dondelelcaro : I just looked. ntp-simple is now a transition package, it's replaced by the ntp package.
13:47<Karko>well i guess ill install ntp-simple then
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13:48<Karko>well enyways, what should I do next?
13:48<kop>Karko : sudo make me a sandwich?
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13:49<kop>Karko : You set the sw and hardware clocks?
13:49<Karko>What I ment was, does it set the date automaticly or what do I need to do to make it update the time
13:49<Karko>im really a starter with debian
13:50<ranix>unix time is measured in the number of seconds since some time in 1972 IIRC
13:50<ranix>so date is the same as time
13:50<kop>Karko : ntp freaks out if your time is years off. You need to use 'date' and 'hwclock' to set the sw and hw clocks. Read the man pages.
13:50<skrewz>ranix: Epoch is 1970, jan 1.
13:50<stew>perl -e "print scalar localtime 0"
13:50<dondelelcaro>ranix: 1-1-1970 00:00 UTC
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13:51<dondelelcaro>or easier, TZ=UTC date -d @0
13:51<ranix>I still have a lot of noob left in me
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13:51<dondelelcaro>(it was a tuesday, apparently)
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13:52<Karko>"i still have a lot of oob left in me" :) you talk about it like if it was work, hehe
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13:54<kop>And then there's "ddate".
13:55<ranix>make menuconfig shows an option for "use graphical bootsplash" or similar. I selected this. Do I also need to use the parameter --added-patches bootsplash when I make-kpkg, or will it be compiled in?
13:55<Karko>makes no sense what it said to me
13:55<ranix>hate to repeat myself but I don't fully understand how kernel patches work in Debian
13:55<Karko>Today is Setting Orange, the 43rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3166
13:55<Karko>good tips for a scifi movie though
13:56<kop>Karko : That's interesting, where I am Today is Prickle-Prickle.
13:56<fxiny>ranix: so i failed , i "thought" it was working ,but cause i did not like you suggestions about my diet i tryed to fix it , ending with a backup replacement : i wish the SAME to you :P
13:56<ranix>haha sorry fxiny
13:57<fxiny>ranix: heheheh :)
13:57<ranix>yeah it's really on my nerves now, so much that I can't let it go
13:57<ranix>I might write a howto or something if I can figure out what to do
13:57<ranix>I might have to file a bug report against the package though
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13:58<fxiny>ranix: a bug report ? have you tried to reconfigure it ? try try ...
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13:58<ranix>I'm trying everything in my repertoir and have even added armaments to my nomenclature
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14:01<fxiny>kop: Setting Orange ? don't say orange to me : i'll behave like a bull in the arena !
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14:04[~]Nightroad [XMMS] Linux is Mp3 Reliant K - Marilyn Manson Ate My Girlfri
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14:05<fxiny>i need to go into rehab : i'm adicted to xmms2 cli !
14:05<JasonS>no need to advertise your music choices Nightroad
14:05<ajcc>fxiny: isn't xmms2 no longer under development?
14:06<kop>How would I see what comes in "standard system" in the installer?
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14:08<ajcc>fxiny: apparently not, must be only xmms then
14:08<fxiny>ajcc: i'm running the dr.gonzo (sic!) version aka etch stable. there are and dr.jekill versions too .
14:08<fxiny>ajcc: i just miss an ape plugin and i will get rid of xmms
14:08<ajcc>I see
14:09[~]Nightroad [XMMS] Linux is Mp3 Lacrimosa - Ein Hauch Von Menschlichkeit
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14:09<ranix>Nightroad: cut that out, it's unspeakably annoying
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14:10<ranix>Nightroad: you would not believe how little I care what MP3 you are listening to right now
14:10<fxiny>ajcc: i'm keeping an eye to bpo m i want jekill : running gonzo is not "a la page" for us fluxbox-screen-irssi-perl-lover users :P
14:10<ajcc>And Mp3 isn't free, so stop using it! :)
14:10<fxiny>how can i run anything with gonzo on it ?
14:10<fxiny>fetora can have all the gonzos
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14:12<fxiny>ajcc: mp3 ? who cares ? i do radio streams :)
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14:13<Supaplex>does dpkg-deb explicitly use /tmp for --build? I exported TMP= but I still run out of space because /tmp is small. 20mb of 32mb free.
14:13<fxiny>yeass tmp is small even here !
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14:34<zk>hi....can someone help with log rotating stuff?
14:34<stew>zk: just ask your real question
14:35<zk>it's a bit complex....
14:35<theimrot>hello, i have problems with mutt, if i want to delete messages and want to quit, the cursur goes on the left side and nothing happens, what is wrong ?
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14:35<zk>well...when i type syslogd-filelists -w
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14:35<zk>it only shows "some" of the entries in syslog.conf
14:36<zk>and i don't understand why....since when i type syslogd-filelists -a it shows correctly all the entry
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14:37<stew>zk: so that is the weekly vs daily rotated logfiles. not sure what makes something daily vs weekly though
14:37<zk>that's the point...
14:37<Zomb>stew: syslog files?
14:38<stew>Zomb: yes, how is it decided which are daily vs. weekly
14:38<stew>Zomb: syslogd-filelists {-w,-a}
14:38<stew>err listfiles
14:38<theimrot>who use mutt ?
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14:38<zk>i thought it takes as daily everything marked as *.* and the rest in weekly....
14:38<Zomb>theimrot: wrong question
14:38<Zomb>stew: why do you need to decide?
14:38<Zomb>in doubt, do daily
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14:39<theimrot>zomb: i have a problem with.
14:39<theimrot>Zomb: i have a problem with.
14:39<Zomb>theimrot: wrong question, try again
14:40<stew>Zomb: i don't, zk is asking
14:40<zk>it's strange....
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14:41<stew>zk: oh syslogd-listfiles is a perl script, it should be easy to figure out
14:41<zk>ok i try to check
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14:45<Magnus>can anyone send me some file with dcc to test my firewall settings plz
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15:04<theimrot>i have problems with xming and putty under windows
15:05<theimrot>when i start for example aterm at my server, it comes the message that can't open display :0, whre can i adjust?
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15:12<r-diddley>anything happining here?
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15:26<Karko>is there a windows-alike format cmd for debian ?
15:26<formorer>why use a crap shell if you can have real shells?
15:26<formorer>my fault, I should read first
15:27<lupine_85>mkfs.vfat for, um, vfat partitions
15:27<lupine_85>dunno if they have an mkfs.ntfs yet
15:27<weasel>a partition is not the same thing as a filesystem :)
15:27<lupine_85>nice save weasel :)
15:27<Karko>i need to wipe the computer and re-install some OS'es
15:27<MBR>ubuntu is awesome or debian straight up
15:27<weasel>wiping works best with badblocks
15:27<MBR>a new hard drive
15:28<Karko>i dont want to get a new hdd :p
15:28<lupine_85>destructive testing? :)
15:28<MBR>well if its failing. you're just waitning for the eneviabled
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15:29<lupine_85>bloody stupid kmaoi
15:29<lupine_85>back to thun^Wicedove, I guess
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15:29<Karko>well enyways
15:30<Karko>how so i safely wipe the hdd
15:30<MBR>just do a mkfs
15:31<Karko>simply, mkfs in the console?
15:31<kop>Karko: What's "safe"?
15:31<Karko>well the guys above were talkinga bout destructive and getting a new hard drive
15:31<Karko>i wouldnt call that safe :P
15:31<lupine_85>destructive testing is only destructive to the data
15:32<kop>Karko : Destructive just means that the disk is written over.
15:32<MBR>if you want to format the drive.. you're going to lose the data either way. if it's destrucive or not
15:32<lupine_85>rather than written off ;)
15:32<Karko>nothing i need to backup in there
15:32<MBR>destructive just tests the blocks, cylinders and heads
15:32<kop>Karko : You know about lvm?
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15:32<lupine_85>lvm ftw
15:32<kop>Karko : Now would be a good time, if the drive's for linux.
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15:33<kop>Karko : LVM let's you resize partitiions, move them from drive to drive, etc, etc. Logical Volume Management.
15:33<Karko>i dont think ill need that
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15:34<Karko>i just want to wipe the harddrive
15:34<Karko>need to do some re-installing
15:34<MBR>well then format the damn thing
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15:34<kop>Karko : Just run the installer.
15:34<Karko>= mkfs in the console ?
15:34<MBR>i thinks we're talking in circles here
15:36<Magnus>can somebody dcc send me a file please
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15:36<Magnus>i wanna try my firewall
15:36<Karko>kop the thing is, i want to install windows on it, first
15:37<Karko>but i cant seem to boot myself to the windows installer, i put the cd on but it keeps logging into debian, cd should be in bios boot sequence 2nd (floppy as first)
15:37<Karko>otherwise i would have used the debian installer's disk erase
15:37<Magnus>Supaplex, the file is corrupted
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15:38<Supaplex>dev/zero :P let's try /bin/false
15:38<Magnus>can you try again Su
15:38<Magnus>can you try again Supaplex
15:39<Magnus>ok thx
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15:42[~]Nightroad is away: I'm busy
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15:42<inonooby>can some one help me about amsn ??
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15:43<danyaelx>Hi! I'm thinking about seting up a webradio, any one got a suggestion on a server system that is good and uncomplicated?
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15:44<inonooby>its a special question about port and iptables
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15:44<inonooby>and webcam
15:44<noflash>!tell Nightroad -about away
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15:46<JasonS>inonooby: no one will help you until you explain the problem
15:46<inonooby>i m behind a my server runing debian
15:46<inonooby>so on my laptop i will send and recives webcams but it doesent work
15:46<inonooby>some forums said that i have to open ports
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15:47<inonooby>but i dont know if i have to open my ports on the laptop or on the server ??
15:47<JasonS>on whatever the firewall is on
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15:48<inonooby>iptables i think
15:49<Supaplex>iptables yes, if matches ifconfig
15:50<JasonS>inonooby: on what ever machine iptables is on
15:50<inonooby>on laptop and the server
15:50<inonooby>my laptop ip has
15:50<inonooby>my server has
15:51<inonooby>and has an intern connection
15:51<Supaplex>those are all private ips
15:51<Supaplex>what's your router? dsl/cable/etc?
15:51<Supaplex>or vpn like your hostname suggests?
15:51<lupine_85>port forwarding required on the router
15:52<Supaplex>don't privmsg me inonooby
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15:52<inonooby> i received inet by wlan from my university, and i route it with my server to my laptop.
15:53<JasonS>and you have iptables running on both?
15:53[~]JasonS wonders both why and if inonoobys university has a firewall
15:54<inonooby>no because it work before
15:54<inonooby>before i hade internt on my laoptop by wlan
15:54<JasonS>so why iptables on both?
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15:54<Supaplex>well, he said webcam, why not install the webcam package and upload to a public web server.
15:55<Supaplex>!+info webcam etch
15:55<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
15:55<JasonS>Supaplex: he wants live streaming?
15:55<dpkg>webcam: (capture and upload images), section net, is extra. Version: 3.95.dfsg.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
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15:55<Supaplex>ssh port forwarding might be eaiser if his university is in the way.
15:56<inonooby>i want to see my girls friend using the msn webcam protocoll
15:56<inonooby>so amsn said me that i can send or recive because my port are closed
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15:58<JasonS>so open and forward back the necessary ports inonooby
15:58<michael117>How can I find out or know if a drive/partition has some bad blocks?
15:59<weasel>run badblocks on it. if it finds any you lost long ago.
15:59<weasel>and/or run smartctl
16:02<michael117>Is there anyway to figure out what files are located on a particular drive in an LVM setup?
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16:02<lupine_85>michael117: mount the drives, search?
16:03<michael117>How could I go about searching once I have them mounted as usual?
16:03<lupine_85>find <path> -name <filename>
16:04<Hessophanes>lupine_85: I guess he's looking for the *underlying* drive, not the mounted volume.
16:04<michael117>Hessophanes: yes
16:04<lupine_85>ah, got you
16:04<michael117>the physical volume that the data is actually contained on
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16:05<lupine_85>interesting question
16:05<michael117>More accurately, what data is contained on this particular physical volume
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16:05<michael117>because I think I have a drive that is going bad but still readable and would like to rescue the data
16:07<lupine_85>so you need a way to find out which PEs an LV is on...
16:08<michael117>I suppose... and then find out what data is located between those extents
16:08<michael117>and maybe a way to copy them elsewhere
16:09<michael117>How could I copy an LVM partition?
16:10<lupine_85>you can copy a logical volume with dd
16:10<lupine_85>and it'll just be the same as any other partition image
16:12<michael117>Would it still work if I use dd to copy the logical volume to a different sized disk?
16:13<Supaplex>michael117: you might want to review the lvm2 howto
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16:14<michael117>If I use pvremove, is it possible to add the volume at a later time without losing data?
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16:17<Tjerk>I have installed my debian server, but now when I type apt-get install sshd, I get the error E: Can't find packaging sshd... ? I don't know what's wrong
16:17<dondelelcaro>Tjerk: you want to install openssh-server
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16:18<Larks>Quick question: How do I enable support for SATA cd-rom drives in the etch installer?
16:18<Inty>Tjerk, apt-get update && apt-get install ssh should work
16:18<dondelelcaro>Larks: assuming your controller is supported, they should just work.
16:19<Larks>the cd-rom is not detected by the installer
16:19<Magnus>do you know a good soft to listen radio broadcast ?
16:19<Magnus>i just have mplayer
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16:20<Larks>dondelelcaro: board is asus p5k-v
16:20<Tjerk>I get the answere: There are not satisfied requirements
16:20<Supaplex>Magnus: xmms, xmms2 to name a few
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16:21<Inty>Tjerk, which release stream are you running (stable, testing, unstable)?
16:21<Larks>dondelelcaro: I can change bios settings to "compatability mode" and installer finds cdrom drives, however SATA hard disks are not all detected.
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16:22<Tjerk>Inty stable
16:22<Magnus>finaly i forgot i had vlc
16:22<Inty>hmm weird
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16:22<Magnus>vlc the swissknife of multimedia
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16:22<Tjerk>Can I update debian?
16:23<Inty>stable is frozen, meaning everything stays at the same version, only security updates, the problem you are describing is something i would find in unstable, but not in stable
16:23<Supaplex>but, don't forget,
16:23<Supaplex>!sns syndrome
16:23<dpkg>sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
16:23<Larks>I think it is important to mention, the system recognizes the SATA cd-rom drive and starts the installer. However the installer does not see the drive and therefore cannot continue passed language selection etc.
16:23<Inty>so a no satisfied requirements error doesn't apply to stable
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16:24<Inty>i think your sources.lst isn't pointing at the correct release stream
16:24<Tjerk>Well, when it's unstable what's the solution Inty?
16:24<Larks>Am I in the wrong place to request this type of help?
16:24<Inty>Tjerk, don't say it's stable when it's unstable, :/
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16:24<Inty>And there aint no other solution but wait
16:24<Tjerk>Sorry i'm not sure
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16:25<Inty>since some packages sshd needs arent updated to the correct version yet
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16:25<Inty>only logic release stream to put on a server is stable
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16:28<Larks>would someone please offer some assistance, or simply say no?
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16:28<Larks>Tjerk: what is complicated?
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16:28<Tjerk>What's your best advice Inty?
16:29<Inty>reinstall, and this time, install the stable release
16:30<Tjerk>I download the netinstall version of debian :)
16:30<Supaplex>Larks: #debian-boot might know better. they maintain d-i
16:30<Supaplex>be prepared to wait for an answer. they don't respond quickly all that often.
16:30<Larks>Supaplex: Thanks, I will try there.
16:31<Tjerk>@ Inty for now, thanks for your help ;)
16:31<Inty>no problem
16:31<Inty>and unstable is only for fiddling with, ;), not to run on a server
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16:32<c7a7uk>What is xen-vserver?(as opposed to regular 'xen')
16:32<Tjerk>Can you choose between unstably or stably? :$
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16:33<Inty>by adjusting your sources.lst
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16:53<enkrypt>is there a command that just gives me the current cpu usage level? (I don't want top, and I don't want load average)
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16:55<ifvoid>enkrypt: cat /proc/stat
16:55<yeonhoo>Question : when im compiling driver module, several errors from other headers happen
16:55<yeonhoo>/usr/src/linux/include/asm/rwsem.h: In function ‘__down_read’:
16:56<yeonhoo>/usr/src/linux/include/asm/rwsem.h:104: error: expected ‘:’ or ‘)’ before ‘KBUILD
16:56<yeonhoo>like that
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16:56<enkrypt>ifvoid: yeah but which of those numbers is the cpu usage?
16:56<enkrypt>ifvoid: none of them make much sense
16:56<ifvoid>enkrypt: none
16:56<ifvoid>enkrypt: you'll need to calculate it
16:56<ifvoid>enkrypt: man proc
16:56<enkrypt>dammit :p
16:57<yeonhoo>ifvoid, could you look to my problem ?
16:57<ifvoid>yeonhoo: seems you are doing something weird
16:57<ifvoid>KBUILD sounds like a preprocessor symbol
16:58<ifvoid>is this a vanilla kernel?
16:58<ifvoid>and which driver module are we talking about?
16:58<yeonhoo>ifvoid, it happens for all sample driver i compile
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16:59<ifvoid>"all sample driver"
16:59<ifvoid>please just answer my questions
16:59<ifvoid>which kernel?
16:59<ifvoid>which driver?
17:00<yeonhoo>ifvoid, how can i see my kernel version?
17:00<yeonhoo>and driver what is it?
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17:00<ifvoid>which module are you trying to compile?
17:01<ifvoid>and which kernel are you compiling it against?
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17:01<ifvoid>and why are you trying to compile the module to begin with?
17:01<Karko>damn i cant seem to boot into windows installation
17:01<yeonhoo>yes its a simple module that i made that has just 2 functions init_module and cleaup....
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17:01<ifvoid>seems you offtopic here then
17:01<dondelelcaro>Larks: oh, I seem to remember having a problem with one of those earlier; it's possible that one of the development d-is will work
17:01<Karko>cdboot: cannot boot from cd - code 5, grub loading, error 17
17:01<ifvoid>try #kernelnewbies
17:01<dondelelcaro>Larks: but it's a case of the 2.6.18 kernel not supporting your controller. [if you didn't figure it out already]
17:02<yeonhoo>ifvoid, kernel version is 2.6.18-4-486
17:03<ifvoid>yeonhoo: this is offtopic here
17:03<ifvoid>this is not a channel about kernel hacking
17:03<yeonhoo>ifvoid, ops ok
17:03<yeonhoo>thankyou :)
17:03<ifvoid>try #kernelnewbies
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17:05<r-diddley>Anyone out there to help a newbie? ... I have an old Pentium-2 ASUS-P2BLS box with a completely wiped clean 14gig-HD ... The box boots fine with SysRescCD and Knoppix.
17:05<r-diddley>I wouldn't mind trying to build from kernel or any distro that is good for 233MHz and 256K-RAM
17:06<ifvoid>should work fine with debian
17:06<ifvoid>just don't run gnome or kde
17:07<lupine_85>r-diddley: 256KB RAM?
17:07<r-diddley>yep ... is that no good?
17:07<lupine_85>do you mean 256MB?
17:07<lupine_85>I can shoehorn xfce or kde into that
17:07<lupine_85>don't know about gnome
17:08<ifvoid>lupine_85: oh, it will probably work
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17:08<ifvoid>I just wouldn't recommend it
17:08<ifvoid>just stick to xfce or balckbox or so
17:08<r-diddley>is xfce a separate distro?
17:08<r-diddley>i'm not familiar with it
17:08<dondelelcaro>r-diddley: no, it's just a desktop environment
17:08<lupine_85>nope. it does thet same job as kde/gnome. just has a smaller footprint
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17:09<r-diddley>so, I load debian and then dl xfce (as a package)?
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17:09<dondelelcaro>r-diddley: just aptitude install xfce; yes.
17:10<r-diddley>My only experience so far with linux is LinuxMint Cassandra, which I got running beautifully on my daughter's crashed laptop
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17:13<r-diddley>Thx for the advice ... I'll run with that and see how far I can get ... got to go for now, maybe see you back in here tomorrow.
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17:17<duisburg6681m>hello ??
17:17<lupine_85> hello
17:18<duisburg6681m>i need help
17:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:18<duisburg6681m>can speak german or only english ?
17:18<dpkg>from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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17:18<duisburg6681m>I have a problem with dist-upgrade
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17:18<duisburg6681m>können wir in deutsch sprechen ?
17:19<witte>duisburg6681m: if you want to speak in german, go to
17:19<witte>s/be/de/ ;-)
17:19<duisburg6681m>ok no problem i will ask you in english
17:20<duisburg6681m>ok an half an hour ago, i wanna dist-upgrade my debian sarge to etch vserver in the internet
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17:21<duisburg6681m>but after command dist-upgrade and any questions i reboot the system after ending upgrade but after rebooting my system starts with sarge
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17:21<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security>
17:21<duisburg6681m>so a wanna start dist-upgrade again, but it doesn't start again
17:21<lupine_85>how do you know it's still sarge?
17:21<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: I assume you followed the procedure described in the release notes?
17:22<duisburg6681m>yes, because, if a use "cat /etc/debian-version" i see sarge
17:22<duisburg6681m>how can i repeat the dist-upgrade ?
17:23<lupine_85>if all the packages are updated, you're running etch, regardless of what a file says
17:23<duisburg6681m>under virtuozzo web interface i saw sarge too
17:23<duisburg6681m>so is there an command for looking the release number ?
17:23<duisburg6681m>oder name
17:23<lupine_85>are you using the etch repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
17:24<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: which libc version do you have?
17:24<lupine_85>so you're using etch
17:24<duisburg6681m>i dont now, how can i see it ?
17:24<ifvoid>dpkg -l libc6
17:24<dpkg>ii libc6 1.2-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
17:24[~]ifvoid slaps the bot
17:25<witte>duisburg6681m: ok ,that is still sarge if i'm correct
17:25<duisburg6681m>ok what can i do to upgrade sarge again
17:25<ifvoid>that's etch
17:26<Hessophanes>Sarge has 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6
17:26<duisburg6681m>etch or sarge ??
17:26<witte>it is
17:26<witte>ok, sorry
17:26<ifvoid>it's etch
17:26<duisburg6681m>are you sure ?
17:26<lupine_85>666% sure
17:26<duisburg6681m>but my virtuozzo web interface is saying me sarge
17:26<weasel>who cares what your virtuozzo is saying
17:26<weasel>hwo would it know what you did to your system?
17:27<lupine_85>maybe install lsb?
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17:27<weasel>you could havei nstalled gentoo or redhad for all it would know
17:27<duisburg6681m>lsb ?? what is this
17:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at, or very incomplete
17:27<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: so, chaneg the text in /etc/debian_version
17:27<duisburg6681m>ok wait
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17:28<weasel>wouldn't surprise me if that virtual server setup of his actually wrote to debian_version with whatever the user expedcts to see
17:28<ifvoid>and the upgrade didn't update it because it was changed manually
17:28<duisburg6681m>ok wait i reboot the vserver and will lokking via web interface
17:28<weasel>or it did and was overwritten upon reboot
17:28<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: don't
17:29<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: the web interface is irrelevant
17:29<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: you have etch
17:29<duisburg6681m>sorry but after reboot , virtuozzo says me "Operating System debian-3.1-x86"
17:29<lupine_85>oh well
17:29<lupine_85>you're still running etch
17:30<duisburg6681m>and i will let you know the dist-upgrade takes only 15 minutes
17:30<duisburg6681m>is this ok for a dist-upgrade ?
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17:30<ifvoid>not it yhou're on a 64kbit line
17:30<lupine_85>it's a vserver. You're talking 100mbit/sec
17:31<Karko>lupine so how can i wipe that hdd clean :/
17:31<duisburg6681m>ok but the complete upgrades took 15 minutes, i read a upgrade takes 1-2 hours
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17:31<duisburg6681m>and the linux kernel is the same after the upgrade
17:31<ifvoid>duisburg6681m: do you just don't want to believe us or what?>
17:32<duisburg6681m>no no no, i believe in you :-) sorry
17:32<lupine_85>the kernel is dealt with by the VPS provider, normally
17:32<witte>duisburg6681m: you can do a "dpkg -l" and compare all packages installed with the debian website to check :)
17:32<duisburg6681m>is it normally after upgrade to etch, the system wouldn
17:32<duisburg6681m>t reboot automatically ?
17:33<ifvoid>of course
17:33<witte>duisburg6681m: if you would do that, the upgrade would take 1-2 hours :P
17:33<ifvoid>rebooting automatically is something only windows does
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17:34<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2
17:35<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable".
17:35<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
17:35<lupine_85>hey, you can change kernel without reboot these days
17:35<knovak>if lsmod doesn't list something that it should, for instance my ATI driver, fglrx, does that mean that it is not working or that it's just not there?
17:36<lupine_85>just not there
17:36<lupine_85>although it might not be there because something isn't working
17:36<knovak>that it does not exist where it ought to
17:36<lupine_85>well, if a problem prevents the module from being loaded, it won't show up
17:37<knovak>yeah, the thing is, the driver is working right now
17:37<frank>lupine_85: there's also hw that can be hotplugged ..
17:37<lupine_85>totally :)
17:37<ifvoid>knovak: the X driver can work without the kernel module
17:37<lupine_85>even some PCI cards these days
17:37<ifvoid>knovak: abeit unaccellerated
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17:38<knovak>I'll try to reinstall it... I thought it was weird that the ati driver didn't need me to close my gdm to install
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17:46<knovak>is there an option for the kernel makefile which will only compile the parts which need to be compiled so I can make kernel modues? or do I have to compile the entire kernel?
17:48<ifvoid>you need to use module-assistant
17:50<knovak>shoot, can't believe I forgot about that thingy
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17:53<knovak>Thanks for the help, works great
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17:54<Karko>im still working with my problem :(
17:54<knovak>what is the problem?
17:54<Karko>im trying to get rid of the linux on my haddrive, completely
17:54<Karko>so i can install windows
17:54<knovak>mmm, do you have a spare blank Cd?
17:54<Karko>i cant seem to boot myself into the windows installation due to some pieces of GRUB in there or something
17:54<Supaplex>speaking of cds...
17:54<Karko>well, yea
17:55<Karko>I have
17:55<knovak>if so, download a live C Dof ubuntu
17:55<frank>Karko: that's obvious, you have to work the other way round ;)
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17:55<ifvoid>Karko: just wipt ethe mbr
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17:55<lupine_85>Karko: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda (or whatever your hard disk is)
17:55<knovak>and then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
17:55<lupine_85>will kill everything
17:55<ifvoid>knovak: overkill
17:55<lupine_85>well, sort of
17:55<ifvoid>Karko: either do fdisk /mbr from dos
17:55<knovak>I used to use a win98 startup diskette and then do fdisk /mbr
17:55<ricky>I think the stupid windows installer specifically doesn't support ext filesystems.
17:56<frank>he could have suggested using /dev/urandom ;)
17:56<Karko>ifvoid with dos you mean i use my win98 boot floppy
17:56<Karko>and type it there?
17:56<lupine_85>Slow urandom is slooooooooooooooooooooow
17:56<ifvoid>Karko: or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX bs=1K count=4
17:56<ifvoid>that should do the trick
17:56<Karko>where do i type t hat
17:56<ifvoid>kingsley: XP can also do it
17:56<Karko>execution shell @ deb installer?
17:56<ifvoid>Karko: for example
17:56<Karko>i only have pieces left of the os/grub
17:56<ifvoid>Karko: it will remove all partitions and such!
17:57<ifvoid>Karko: as well as any bootloaders that might be there!
17:57<ifvoid>Karko: so you'd better be pretty sure you don't need the data on the disk
17:57<Karko>i am sure i dont need it
17:57<ifvoid>(or just start windows from grub)
17:57<Karko>want me to change that to hd1 ?
17:58<Karko>or does it have to be like that
17:58<ifvoid>or hdb
17:58<Karko>hda it is
17:58<ifvoid>whatever drivbe you want to wipe
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17:59<Karko>invalid number 1K
17:59<Karko>1000 ?
17:59<ifvoid>or 1024
18:00<ifvoid>doesn't really matter much
18:00<ifvoid>it's only the first 512 bytes you want to wipe
18:00<Karko>permission denied >.<
18:00<Karko>and i cant su or sudo
18:00<ifvoid>you need to be root, abviously
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18:01<ifvoid>although, in the installer shell, you should be
18:01<Karko>im doing the cmd from the execution shell during the debi nstaller
18:01<ifvoid>and id says you're root?
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18:01<ifvoid>and /dev/hda exists?
18:01<Karko>well, it has ~ #
18:02<Karko>cant cd to /dev/hda
18:03<Karko>to be precise, the error is
18:03<Karko>dd: /dev/hda: permission denied
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18:03<lupine_85>so sudo it
18:03<lupine_85>or su
18:03<Karko>i just said i cant
18:03<Karko>they dont work
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18:06<Karko>ill try to goto dos with a win98 bootdisk and try the fdisk /mbr
18:08<ifvoid>Karko: the windows recovery thingy can also do it
18:08<Karko>if only i could get there
18:08<Karko>the problem in the first place was i could not get into the windows installer
18:09<Karko>i would get a cdboot error, grub loading, error 17
18:09<Karko>cant really remember what it was
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18:09<ifvoid>that has nothing to do with the boot sector on your harddrive
18:10<Karko>well i just want to get to the windows installation :/
18:10<Karko>on dos i went to fdisk, show partition information lists no partitions now
18:11<ifvoid>that doesn't matter
18:11<ifvoid>partitions have nothing to do with it
18:11<ifvoid>just fdisk /mbr
18:11<ifvoid>that clean out grub
18:11<Karko>did fdisk /mbr
18:11<Karko>loaded like a few seconds and gave me a new line
18:11<Karko>should enything else happen?
18:11<ifvoid>nope, that's fine
18:11<ifvoid>all done
18:12<ifvoid>try rebooting and see if grub comes up
18:12<ifvoid>it shouldn't
18:12<ifvoid>you shoudl get an error about the harddisks having no os or something
18:12<Karko>yep, thats where i am aiming
18:12<Karko>woot, now i got to the windows installation (had the cd on)
18:12<Karko>so the only trick i really had to do was fdisk /mbr
18:13<Karko>now i can install windows and try debian with it later
18:13<Karko>had to do some cleaning and re-installing
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18:13<Karko>thanks for the help
18:13<ifvoid>you're welcome
18:13<Karko>i knwe i could rely on you debian pro's :)
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18:15<Karko>the laptops for desktop use so i tought id put a windows on it, i prefer debian on the server machines
18:15<Karko>guess ill have to fight with the bluescreen during the windows setup hehe
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18:16<Karko>something to do with harddrive
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18:17<Karko>CDboot cannot boot from cd, code 5
18:17<Karko>when i rebooted
18:18<Karko>i wonder if the hdd was fully wiped
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18:22<ifvoid>"cannot boot from cd:"
18:22<ifvoid>that has nothing to do with your harddisk
18:22<ifvoid>the cd might be broken
18:22<Karko>i dont think so, i got 2 windows cd's
18:23<Karko>would have to be a real bad luck then
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18:25<jest>Is this the right channel for the "I'm new to Debian and am having trouble with what I expected would be a simple installation/configuration problem," or is there a better, more newbie place I can go?
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18:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:26<witte>jest: if have tried the channel, and did not find any help there, you can ask here :-)
18:27<jest>Sorry :-(
18:28<mtnman>jest: go ahead and ask...
18:29[~]lupine_85 likes easy questions :)
18:29<jest>I'm new to Debian, from a FreeBSD background, and have been blown away with how good and easy everything has been so far. However, I'm having trouble getting Apache configured, and am feeling stupid.
18:29<jest>I need Apache 1 with SSL and mod_perl support. I first tried to install the apache, apache-ssl and apache-perl packages, but this seemed to install three overlapping instances of Apache.
18:29<jest>Then I removed these and just installed apache and the mod_perl packages, but I start getting "Invalid command 'PerlModule'" errors when I try to config things.
18:29<jest>What am I meant to do to install this correctly?
18:29|-|jest kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
18:29<mtnman>what is your name, quest, and favorite color?
18:30<lupine_85>nick, pwning n00bs, black
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18:30<jest>Sorry about that. Did anything get through?
18:31<lupine_85>the bot's a bit, um, zealous :)
18:31<witte>jest: you got aquinted with the bot, don't paste more than 3 lines
18:31<lupine_85>got to "What am I meant to do to install this correctly?"
18:31<witte>!tell jest about paste
18:31<ifvoid>witte: he didn't paste
18:31<jest>lupine_85: that was the end of my post.
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18:31<witte>ifvoid: than he can type very fast, or i am experiencing a lot of delay...
18:32<jest>It wasn't a paste, I can type fast.
18:32<ifvoid>well, it's not something he should have used the pastbin for, anyway
18:32<Supaplex>!tell jest -about search
18:33<Supaplex>jest: there are a few flavors of apache packages. you most likely only need one and to enable/install extra modules
18:33<mtnman>jest: i'm not sure what is going on there, but you can check exactly what each package is/does by reading the descriptions at
18:33<mtnman>jest: sounds like you have a deeper apache background than i do.
18:33<Supaplex>or aptitude show <package> or apt-cache show <package>
18:34<lupine_85>jest: I think you want apache-ssl + libapache-mod-perl
18:34<lupine_85>I'm an apache2 person
18:34<jest>I have read the descriptions, and done the searching, but it's still not clear what I need to do for this. If there's something I need to do to enable this, I don't know what it is :-(
18:34<jest>I know I should be on Apache2 by now, but my working server is still on 1 and I need this box for dev work.
18:34<ifvoid>jest: any particular reason why you need apache 1?
18:35<ifvoid>apache 2 is much cleaneer imo
18:35<ifvoid>at least the debian packaging
18:35<witte>jest: maybe reed /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian
18:35<jest>ifvoid: See above. I'm supporting a working server running Apache 1
18:35<lupine_85>well, apache-ssl will give you httpd & SSL. libapache-mod-perl gives you mod_perl. That should work.
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18:36<jest>lupine_85: OK, perhaps I'll try that. I will say that I didn't like the fact that apache-ssl installs with weird commands ("apache-sslctl" instead of "apachectl", etc.), but if that's how to do it, that's what I'll do.
18:37<lupine_85>mm. ssl support doesn't seem to be available as a module, which is weird
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18:38<Supaplex>modssl isn't apache-ssl, so there should be. modssl can do stuff apachessl cannot (like use of proxy+mod_rewrite on ssl)
18:38<mtnman>buon giorno zk
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18:39<Supaplex>!+info libapache-mod-ssl
18:39<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
18:39<dpkg>Package 'libapache-mod-ssl' does not exist.
18:39<Supaplex>uh it does here. :P
18:39<ifvoid>only on stable
18:39<lupine_85>mm. I am on lenny. d'oh.
18:40<Supaplex>!+info libapache-mod-ssl etch
18:40<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
18:40<dpkg>libapache-mod-ssl: (Strong cryptography (HTTPS support) for Apache), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.25-2 (etch), Packaged size: 321 kB, Installed size: 865 kB
18:40<ifvoid>lenny doesn't seem to have apache 1 anymore\
18:40<knovak>do programs see sym-links to files as links, e.g. my program opens a file which is a sym-link, will my program know the difference?
18:40<lupine_85> 1.3.34-4.1 0 is available here
18:40<lupine_85>just not mod-ssl
18:40<ifvoid>oh, still does, waiting for removal
18:40<ifvoid>lupine_85: it's in the process of being removed
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18:41<ifvoid>lupine_85: so the modules probably are gine already
18:41<jest>The weird thing is that I'm getting an error with "PerlModule", which shouldn't be affected by whether I'm running apache or apache-ssl or something else.
18:41<jest>Perhaps I should ask in #apache...
18:41[~]Supaplex watches pdo crash konq :-/
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18:43<Willly>Hi! I have a problem with hal. Essentially, I upgraded my system, and hal would no longer initialize or run.
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18:46<Supaplex>jest: usr/lib/apache2/modules/ net/apache2.2-common see
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18:47<kop>Why does the xen-hypervisor package come in a pae and non-pae version, whereas the linux-image-xen-* packages are all pae? I installed the non pae xen hypervisor, and now it won't boot. I get pae mismatch errors. What good are the non-pae xen-hypervisor packages?
18:48<jest>Supaplex: Thanks, but that's for Apache2...
18:48<jMCg>ricky: I want to punch d-media in the face :-/
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18:48<kop>knovak : No. Not unless it explicitly looks.
18:49<dondelelcaro>kop: they're good for people who are running old, non-pae kernels, of course.
18:49<November>Hello! Yesterday I asked here about the "no screens found" problem I was having in Debian Etch but I didn't have the xorg.conf file, nor had any idea how to transfer it to my NTFS partition. The I downloaded and Knoppix and finally retrieved the file. By the way, strangely, Knoppix boots to X just fine. Anyway, could anyone help me with the problem?
18:49<dondelelcaro>kop: it's primarily so that people who are running such machines suddenly don't have them all fail.
18:50<ricky>jMCg: Hehe.
18:50<Supaplex>you want apache1? usr/lib/apache/1.3/ net/libapache-mod-ssl
18:50<kop>dondelelcaro : I understand. I've got less than 4G of ram, why would I want to run a pae kernel? Does it matter?
18:50<Supaplex>jest: start at, bottom form is what you're after, or install apt-file
18:50<dondelelcaro>(the reason why the kernel packages don't build them is because the fewer binaries built, the bettter
18:50<dondelelcaro>kop: it doesn't really matter.
18:51<dondelelcaro>well, unless you actually need to eke out every last bit of performance out of the machine
18:51<Supaplex>November: try reconfiguring X
18:51<kop>dondelelcaro : How much are we talking? It's a slow machine, yet the fastest I've got. :)
18:51<November>That was the first thing I tried
18:51<Supaplex>November: what video hardware do you have?
18:51<dondelelcaro>kop: depends on what you're doing; you may not even notice it
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18:51<November>Choosing Vesa driver crashes the system
18:52<November>ATI 850XT PE
18:52<dondelelcaro>kop: I don't remember what the exact overhead is, though
18:52<dondelelcaro>(google probably does)
18:52<kop>dondelelcaro : I guess I'll overoptimize later. That way I can look back on my deathbed and be happy I recompiled the kernel one more time. :)
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18:53<November>I thought about the PIC Bus, but the I checked knoppix conf.file and it had the same PIC BUS number - 1:0:0 as the conf.file in Debian. So it's probably not related to the PCI Bus
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18:55<November>The most interesting thing is that when I reconfigure xorg to choose the the Vesa drive and then start X, the monitor just starts flickering and nothing happens. Usually the Vesa drive helps, but not for me, it seems
18:56<November>Another interesting thing is that Knoppix loads to KDE just fine I can't get it
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18:58<Supaplex>I own a really old ati card, so I'm lost myself :)
18:58<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or
18:58<ranix>hey guys, how do I find out who is connected to my apache2 server right now?
18:58<dondelelcaro>ranix: localhost/server-status
18:58<Supaplex>ranix: netstat, or look at /var/log/apache*/ or like dondelelcaro says (if that's enabled)
18:59<Willly>Hi! I have a problem with hal. Essentially, I upgraded my system, and hal would no longer initialize or run.
18:59<ranix>dondelelcaro's suggestion doesn't seem to be enabled
18:59<dondelelcaro>ranix: well, you can easily enable it
19:00<dondelelcaro>since that's the only thing that actually gives you information on who is connected at that second (and what they're doing)
19:00<Supaplex>ranix: which debian release, and what apache?
19:00<dondelelcaro>you'll have to enable mod_status and possibly uncomment the mod_status define
19:00<Supaplex>I <3 less /var/log/... myself
19:01<ranix>I got all the information I needed from tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log
19:01<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: the problem with that is that the access logs only get updated after the request is completed
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19:01<ranix>I just didn't think of that
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19:01<ranix>I guess I just forgot to brain today
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19:01<dondelelcaro>(so if you want to know why 50 children are tied up, it's the only way to tell)
19:01<Supaplex>there's another log style that'll log on request (instead of completion) I forget what it is though
19:02<dondelelcaro>well, you can log on the initial request, but you won't know the result code or anything else
19:02<dondelelcaro>(and it's definetly not on by default)
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19:03[~]Supaplex reaches for yet another avacado.
19:03<Supaplex>man these are so good, they're nearly addictive :P
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19:04<ryanCH>how do you change your desktop enironment?
19:05<dondelelcaro>ryanCH: depends; I personally use .xsession. You may be able to change it using your DM, too.
19:05<Supaplex>dungeon master ;)
19:05<dpkg>DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM.
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19:08<ryanCH>dondelelcaro: one more thing, debian seems to do everything for me, like when i plug in usb drive it automatically mounts it, i want to learn everything manually how do i do this?
19:08<Willly>Hi! I have a problem with hal. Essentially, I upgraded my system, and hal would no longer initialize or run. I'm running an AMD64 using 2.6.21 kernel, though the problem first appeared using 2.6.18. Anyone have any answers about how to get the thing to run?
19:08<dondelelcaro>ryanCH: you can do everything you want manually too; I actually don't have my setup automounting things because I find it annoying.
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19:09<ryanCH>dondelelcaro: how do i shut it off?
19:10<dondelelcaro>ryanCH: um... it's probably gnome's hal or something
19:10<ryanCH>i see
19:10<jest>OK, I think I'm in the right direction now. I was incorrectly specifying my LoadModule line.
19:10<jest>Thanks all.
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19:12<Internat85>hey whats a good set of hdd checking utilities... to check that the drive is free of defects etc?
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19:13<dondelelcaro>Internat85: most of the time just writing to the entire drive will tell you
19:13<dondelelcaro>Internat85: modern drives automatically remap failed sectors, so there's no need for ardous surface scaning anymore
19:13<Supaplex>badblocks (8) - search a device for bad blocks
19:13<Supaplex>and if you spot them, it's time to replace it
19:14<ranix>So, I'm running an apache2 server and I want to limit it to only be able to upload 100k/s total. Where do I start looking to find out how?
19:14<ranix>My router can't handle QoS, too slow
19:16<Supaplex>ranix: iproute has tc
19:16<ranix>I'm unfamiliar with tc
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19:26<Willly>Hi! I have a problem with hal. Essentially, I upgraded my system, and hal would no longer initialize or run. I'm running an AMD64 using 2.6.21 kernel, though the problem first appeared using 2.6.18. Anyone have any answers about how to get the thing to run?
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19:27<Supaplex>Willly: so in all, what's changed from when it was last working to when it first stopped working?
19:27<Internat85>my raid marked the drive as failed after it did a check.. so if its faulty i want to take it back and get them to replace it since its under a year old.. so i just want some way of getting disagnostics to take it back to slap them with
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19:28<kop>Okaaayyyy. If you have some sort of SIS chip on your mobo, apparently xen won't run in dom0 unless you pass acpi=off to the kernel. FWIW.
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19:29<dpkg>somebody said sis was, or shit, or, or tEh SUCK
19:29<Supaplex>did you expect anything less? :P
19:29<kop>Is there somewhere I should report this? The xen people have a bug (#556) and seemed to have closed it for lack of interest.
19:29<kop>Supaplex : Well, the whole box did cost me all of $150.
19:30<Willly>Supaplex: What has changed, AFAIK, is the version of hal that is trying to run.
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19:31<Supaplex>Willly: dpkg -l hal | grep hal
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19:33<Willly>Supaplex: iF hal Hardware Abstraction Layer
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19:35<CodeBlue>hey all, I was on ubuntu and everything worked find but i wanted full drive encryption and couldent follow any of the tutorials online so I just installed debian, the only problem i have is my wireless PCI card wont detect its a BELKIN Wireless G, any help would be greatly apreacheted
19:36<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: you'll have to look up exactly what model the belkin is
19:36<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: once you know that, you'll know which firmware and/or driver to build
19:36<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: lspci should give you a starting place
19:36<CodeBlue>Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
19:37<lupine_85>you're in luck
19:37<CodeBlue>iv tryed the drivers for the RT61 but the wont "make all"
19:37<lupine_85>got the kernel headers installed?
19:37<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: you should be able to just m-a a-i rt2x00;
19:37<CodeBlue>not sure?
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19:38<CodeBlue>m-a a-i rt2x00 ??
19:38<lupine_85>if unsure, then no. Do what dondelelcaro suggested rather than using the ones off the website though
19:38<lupine_85>Ralink rock
19:38<Supaplex>Willly: according to "F" (second letter), that Failed-config. try dpkg-reconfigure hal
19:38<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: yes; you'll have to install module-assistant; and then run that command (as root)
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19:40<Willly>Supaplex: It merely comes back and tells me that hal is either broken or not fully installed.
19:40<Reaper_NZ>Dang it!! Gonna have to smoke some more.@!!
19:40<Supaplex>Willly: are you running sid? or lenny?
19:40<CodeBlue>ok thank you dondelelcaro & lupine_85
19:40<Willly>Supaplex: I'm running TESTING
19:41<CodeBlue>dondelelcaro: do i include the ; at the end of m-a a-i rt2x00;
19:41<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: doesn't matter
19:41<Supaplex>Willly: you should check bts more often
19:41<CodeBlue>ahh its like end of statment like in php
19:42<lupine_85>yep. you can omit them in bash
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19:43<CodeBlue>random question: can i write c directly into the console?
19:43<lupine_85>erm. Not really.
19:43<mtnman>reaper_nz what part of nz?
19:43<lupine_85>You could - maybe - if your shell was gcc
19:43<lupine_85>but that would be silly
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19:44<mtnman>codeblue: c-shell
19:44<Reaper_NZ>Hmmm, Anyone know a good free HTML editor setup, thats on debian???
19:44<lupine_85>speaking of which, I still need to try out zsh
19:44<lupine_85>apparently it pwns
19:44<CodeBlue>so once iv done m-a a-i rt2x00 do i just try to make the RT61 drivers agean
19:44<mtnman>reaper_nz what part of nz?
19:44<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: I tend to use kate
19:45<CodeBlue>or is that it
19:45<Reaper_NZ>Welly... :)
19:45<lupine_85>CodeBlue: m-a a-i installs the drivers for you
19:45<CodeBlue>hassle free
19:45<mtnman>reaper: i visitied wellington last year. my sister lives in karori
19:45<Reaper_NZ>true that.. ;P
19:45<lupine_85>you'll probably need to modprobe them this time round, but they should be loaded automatically after reboots
19:45<CodeBlue>you know iv only been using linux for 4days
19:46<Reaper_NZ>I only been up there to find good park up spots... :)
19:46<CodeBlue>but im getting the hang of this
19:46<mtnman>codeblue the best 4 days of your life!
19:46<CodeBlue>o yes
19:46<Reaper_NZ>I'm a bit further north in Titahi Bay...
19:46<Reaper_NZ>but still welly.. ;)
19:46<CodeBlue>screw windoz
19:46<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: Quanta Plus also gets ++ for WYSIWYG editing
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19:47<Jetson>Help: new installation of the etch distribution, cannot get the screen resolution above 640X480. How do I configure XWindows? I am pretty new...
19:47<ranix>thanks for the tip on tc, Supaplex
19:47<mtnman>jestson dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:47<ranix>I am now limiting outgoing http to 60% of my upstream bandwidth
19:47<CodeBlue>is it possible to add ubuntu reposotries into debian
19:48<lupine_85>CodeBlue: very bad idea to do so
19:48<lupine_85>but possible, certainly
19:48<Willly>Supaplex: Unfortunately, upgrading to kernel 2.6.21 did NOT help me at all. :(
19:48<lupine_85>they're compiled against different versions of various libraries
19:48<ranix>CodeBlue: sure if you want to download a bunch of packages maintained by blind howler monkeys
19:48<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: they have entirely different dependencies and build processes; adding them really doesn't gain you anything.
19:48<lupine_85>so the packages are generally not binary-compatible
19:48<mtnman>it will gain complexity
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19:49<Jetson>mntman: THANK YOU! Google has been no help...I recognize the configuration program from an earlier attempt at Linux. I should be good from here...
19:49<Reaper_NZ>If only I knew that "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"....
19:49<mtnman>jeston: youre very welcome
19:49<CodeBlue>its just i find that theres more progs on ubuntus
19:50<lupine_85>CodeBlue: if there's a package in ubuntu that isn't in debian that you absolutely can't live without, you can get the source package and compile it. But that's a fairly complex thing to do
19:50<mtnman>codeblue; no there are not.
19:50<CodeBlue>yeah i know
19:50<Reaper_NZ>Google for some strange reason picks up on the unanswered questions of forums... and every person that jumps on there and asks... Thats what IRC is for... ;P
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19:51<CodeBlue>after i have installed the drivers is there anything else i need to do or just restart
19:51<lupine_85>CodeBlue: once the interface is up (i.e. the drivers are loaded), they'll need configuring
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19:52<lupine_85>no real need to reboot to get the drivers loaded, but you can if you don't feel like finding out the module names
19:52<CodeBlue>how do i configure?
19:53<lupine_85>in command line, with a combination of iwconfig and ifconfig
19:53<lupine_85>there are all sorts of graphical tools though
19:54<lupine_85>it might be as simple as "iwconfig wlan0 scan" followed by "dhclient wlan0" from the command line though, if you're lucky
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19:55<lupine_85>if you're unlucky, it could be a 20-line script
19:55<CodeBlue>iwconfig not found
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19:55<lupine_85>you need to be root/sudo
19:55<CodeBlue>i am
19:55<lupine_85>is the package "wireless-tools" installed?
19:56<lupine_85>hi xero9364
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19:56<xero9364>It's fun to emulate (hence my version reply)
19:56<CodeBlue>im not sure but runing wireless-tools in term dosnt work
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19:56<CodeBlue>but is that ever how to start it
19:56<lupine_85>it's a package that has the iwconfig binary inside it
19:57<mtnman>wb reaper.
19:57<lupine_85>so apt-get install wireless-tools
19:57<Reaper_NZ>cheers.. ;P
19:57<xero9364>I was about to say build it frm source, but apt is good too.
19:57<CodeBlue>apt always better
19:57<xero9364>dpkg sauce
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19:57<lupine_85>!sauce should be a saucy repluy
19:57<mtnman>i must say i was very impressed that the wellington public library system runs their internet terminal on debian systems.
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19:57<CodeBlue>less human error
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19:58<xero9364>true, CodeBlue
19:58<lupine_85>about the perils of source
19:58<xero9364>Source is fun, though.
19:58<lupine_85>so is #gentoo :p
19:58<xero9364>I use linux for the fun.
19:58<CodeBlue>thats y windows is so popular no such thing a source
19:58<mtnman>terminals even
19:58<CodeBlue>or free
19:58<xero9364>Windows is bad juju.
19:58<lupine_85>13 there, 278 here
19:58<Reaper_NZ>Eeekk.. this bitchx is different to use, I see why I prefered to stick with mIRC for so long...
19:58<xero9364>WINE is very very good juju.
19:59<ranix>Reaper_NZ: apt-get install irssi
19:59<xero9364>That was directed at Reaper_NZ btw
19:59<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: irssi is a good console client
19:59<mtnman>xero: but bad hangover
19:59<xero9364>use wine to run mirc, Reaper_NZ
19:59<ranix>irssi is so much better than bitchx
19:59<ranix>xero9364: are you on drugs
19:59<CodeBlue>too bad linux cant run any top of the range games, at least not without 1week+ of work
19:59<xero9364>CodeBlue: Cedega
19:59<ranix>xero9364: no
19:59<lupine_85>it runs some of them
20:00<Reaper_NZ>mtnman: I'm actually semi-partially on my way to making things work out so I can setup, tens upon tens of dumb clients... :)))
20:00<ranix>Cedega is not a solution
20:00<xero9364>Don't tell me I'm wrong when everything I do works.
20:00<ranix>you run games off your windows partition and you dual boot
20:00<lupine_85>fight! fight! fight!
20:00<Supaplex>cedega is an old snapshot of wine. did we mention old? yea, it's ... old.
20:00<CodeBlue>The-Hive:/home/codeblue# iwconfig
20:00<CodeBlue>lo no wireless extensions.
20:00<CodeBlue>eth0 no wireless extensions.
20:00<CodeBlue>sit0 no wireless extensions.
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20:00<Reaper_NZ>but yeah, we have good setups... and good wireless hotspots... ;)
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20:00<xero9364>ranix: it works for me.
20:00<Reaper_NZ>Your US I presume??? :)
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20:00<lupine_85>mm. cedega should share more with wine
20:01<mtnman>reaper it seemed to me that most access points were locked down in nz
20:01<lupine_85>ah well
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20:01<xero9364>I'm just trying to help. Dont criticize please.
20:01<lupine_85>this is the internet. You'll get criticised for everything
20:01<Reaper_NZ>Depends on what you want to think of as locked down...
20:01<lupine_85>WEP? :p
20:01<xero9364>lupine_85: Not everything, but yeah.
20:01<mtnman>reaper well i didn't come across any open ones.
20:01<Reaper_NZ>good call lupine_85...
20:02<CodeBlue>so what do i need to do with iwconfig
20:02<lupine_85>WEP is as locked down as my bike
20:02<lupine_85>which is to say, it got stolen last month
20:02<mtnman>codeblue: man it? as in man iwconfig.. heheh
20:02<lupine_85>CodeBlue: first, you need to load the drivers
20:02<Reaper_NZ>Wellington airport recently signed up with telecom... you can now browse while on stop-overs, (Not that there are any) 8)
20:02<lupine_85>either modprobe the modules (there's 3, and they have to be in a specific order) or reboot
20:02<xero9364>@ranix: I don't dual boot. This mirc is on wine.
20:03<lupine_85>ieee80211 rate_control rt61_pci
20:03[~]mtnman dual boots his feet, otherwise one gets cold in the winter.
20:03[~]xero9364 lols
20:03<Reaper_NZ>Oh, man, I actually like this sort of IRC setup... Terminal font is ALWAYS better than Arial, and Times New Roman, ETC...
20:03<lupine_85>I run XP in qemu
20:03<lupine_85>needless to say, I don't play games on it
20:03<xero9364>gaming on a vm = BAAAAAAAAAAD juju
20:04<lupine_85>well. You can get away with it if the client is running X
20:04<mtnman>xero but, like wine, is good for a headache.
20:04[~]Reaper_NZ just done a triple setup.... It was MMAADD!!
20:04<xero9364>lol @ mtnman
20:04<xero9364>class slown?
20:04<CodeBlue>FATAL: Module rt61_pci not found.
20:04<mtnman>lots of class. all low.
20:04<lupine_85>bah. I fail.
20:04<ryanCH>how do you set kde as the default??
20:04[~]xero9364 doesnt lol at that one. YOU PHAIL
20:05<lupine_85>CodeBlue: I don't remember what the module is called, sorry. You could google for it, or reboot
20:05<xero9364>Reaper_NZ: I like bitchx and irssi but i decided to experiment today.
20:05<mtnman>ryanch: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager or something similar
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20:05<xero9364>in reply to what you said about liking the IRC setup
20:05<mtnman>ryanch: man update-alternatives should enlighten.
20:05<Reaper_NZ>true that xero9364...
20:06<Reaper_NZ>Seems there may be a collective aye... :)
20:06<Reaper_NZ>BTW, My triple boot went supernova last night..... and I lost everything....
20:06<xero9364>Oh fuck.
20:06<xero9364>Ever tried one boot, multiple VM?
20:07<lupine_85>as in, /boot?
20:07<xero9364>Not much chance of data loss, but it sucks.
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20:07<lupine_85>the trick is to have a big partition you mount on /boot-root, then mount ---bind /boot-root/<this-distro> /boot
20:07<Reaper_NZ>I did something I shouldn't have....
20:08<lupine_85>and keep your grub config file from being automagically updated :D
20:09<lupine_85>(also ln -s /boot-root/*/grub to /boot-root/grub, of course)
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20:09<Reaper_NZ>I ran 98SE, XP, and Debian.... I even had grub controlling it....
20:10<lupine_85>how'd it break?
20:10<xero9364>No offense but 98SE is better than XP by miles.
20:10<lupine_85>heh, except in the areas of security and stability
20:10<Reaper_NZ>Definately aye....
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20:10<lupine_85>faster and easier to use, though
20:10<Reaper_NZ>lupine_85 and xero9364.....
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20:11[~]Reaper_NZ is still smoking from losing 12 - 15 gigs of data....
20:11<xero9364>Well damn,.
20:11<lupine_85>so how did you break it?
20:11<xero9364>Don't triboot.
20:11<mtnman>reaper: data or pr0n?
20:11<lupine_85>and why didn't you have a backup?
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20:11<xero9364>I never keep a backup, lupine_85.
20:11<Reaper_NZ>The primary partitions were too many......
20:11<xero9364>Partition table fuckup.
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20:12<Reaper_NZ>And then I formatted one drive, then formatted the other....
20:12<xero9364>So they got formatted the wrong way I'm guessing?
20:12<Reaper_NZ>Thinking, YEAH!!!! Triple boot MOTHER@@@@@@s....
20:12<Reaper_NZ>Well, Not really...
20:12<ryanCH>mtnman: i did that, now kde and gnome startup the same time so it's like mix now, what do i do?
20:12<Reaper_NZ>I got the ones I was wanting to format.... Win98 and XP....
20:12<xero9364>lol @ knome
20:13<mtnman>ryanch: not sure what is happening, but make sure you're not starting gnome as a user, rather than using the system default.
20:13<lupine_85>the lessons for today: 1) back up. 2) use lvm. 3) call your data partition data-do-not-delete-me
20:13<xero9364>I can't really help with much, but when it's fixed, I suggest WinXP and Debian with a 98SE virtual
20:14<lupine_85>ryanCH: do you mean you get GNOME applications in the KDE menu, and vice versa?
20:14<xero9364>He means a problem I had before.
20:14<lupine_85>or do you actually have gnome-panel and kicker are running at the same time, and the like?
20:14<xero9364>KDE and GNOME panels starting at same time
20:14<ryanCH>lupine_85: no, KDE starts and then gnome starts as well
20:14<Willly>Supaplex: I managed to disconnect myself accidentally after rummaging a bit more in the bug report to which you directed me, before I could check for any further answers. Were there any?
20:14<Reaper_NZ>But yeah... Simple as aye.......
20:14<xero9364>and one desktop being dominant over the toher.
20:14<lupine_85>that's broken
20:15<ryanCH>lupine_85: yes
20:15<Reaper_NZ>Worst of all I seen it starting to occur.... Crazily enough...
20:16<ryanCH>lupine_85: what do i do?
20:16<Reaper_NZ>and xero9364.... It's kinda fixed now... but what I have put on now is WinME and Debian... and intend on avoiding MS a bit more......
20:16<mtnman>ryanch: how did you get gnome to be the default in the first place?
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20:16<Reaper_NZ>I only wanted to play Mechwarrior.... :`(
20:17<ryanCH>mtnman: it was defaulted when i installed linux
20:17|-|david changed nick to Guest718
20:17<mtnman>ryanch: if you have no need for gnome, it would be easy enough to remove it.
20:17<Reaper_NZ>Least I don't think that I lost my pics and vids.. and HTML....
20:17<ryanCH>how? ... apt-get remove gnome?
20:18<xero9364>Reaper_NZ, if you just wanted to play MW, you could've used Wine or Cedega.
20:18<mtnman>gome is probably a metapackage.
20:18<xero9364>gnome-desktop i think.
20:18<Reaper_NZ>xero9364: Want to avoid the emulator thing....
20:18<xero9364>Emulation isn't bad. Why do you avoid it?
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20:19<Reaper_NZ>It just doesn't seem right, and driving and shooting games I find there's a lag....
20:19[~]Reaper_NZ hate lag
20:19<mtnman>dpkg tell ryanch about remove gnome
20:19<Jetson>mntman: Perfect! Why doesn't Debian run the configuration program by default? I seem to remember that Redhat did...anyway, thanks again!
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20:20<mtnman>jetson: i think it depends which level of verbosity apt is set to use.
20:20<Supaplex>Willly: no
20:20[~]xero9364 hates lag too. What video card do you have Reaper_NZ
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20:20<mtnman>jetson: afair, i've always seen that dialog on installing X
20:20<Reaper_NZ>Ummm, Another few simple questions..... Aptitude is downloading xorg and kde... Will it run it by default without reboot?? and .... ummmm....
20:21<Jetson>Didn't happen when I installed from DVD...unless it was something I (didn't) do/did?
20:21<Reaper_NZ>Forgot the other one.....
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20:21<Reaper_NZ>xero9364: I got a 16 Mb ATI rage....
20:21<CodeBlue>after reboot no change
20:21<CodeBlue>sit0 no wireless extensions.
20:21<mtnman>jetson: as i said, i think it depends on the level of verbosity apt is set to use. you set the level at install time.
20:21<xero9364>Oh the damn.
20:22<xero9364>No wonder you have a lag.
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20:22<Reaper_NZ>Hmmmm... I just prefer to run native.....
20:22[~]Reaper_NZ whips his clothes off to reveal he is wearing a toga setup.....
20:23[~]mtnman considers native superior to commando (esp. as an observer)
20:23<Reaper_NZ>Fark, Neighbour rung me before.....
20:23<Reaper_NZ>Gotta go over for a coffee...
20:23<xero9364>I don't have any problems using Wine or Cedega. Ever.
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20:23<Reaper_NZ>I have to restart to let X run aye???
20:24<mtnman>reaper no
20:24<Jetson>I don't recall an option to change it...unless there is a "hidden" setting. Anyway, as I said, newbie here. You don't know how much I appreciate the point in the right direction...a bit embarassing when the wife walks in the office and asks "what's wrong with the computer when she sees the 640X480.
20:24<Reaper_NZ>true... ;P
20:24<xero9364>or gdm
20:24<lupine_85>ryanCH: no idea, sorry
20:24<xero9364>kdm gdm xdm
20:24<xero9364>whichever you installed
20:24<mtnman>jetson: man apt. i think you want dpkg-reconfigure apt.
20:24<Reaper_NZ>Hmmm.... Nice....
20:24<xero9364>If you didnt install a dm, apt-get install kdm since you run kde
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20:25<Reaper_NZ>I got a server giving out the boot roms for debian, and ubuntu....
20:25<xero9364>:) nice
20:25<Reaper_NZ>And my CDs are limited as... (I'm in the process of shifting)...
20:25<xero9364>i have ISOs hidden on my site
20:26<Reaper_NZ>Can you actually use an iso image from inside linux??? Similar to daemontools but not?
20:26<xero9364>i think it's mount -t iso9660 /file/path/here/iso.iso
20:26<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: mount -o loop /path/to/iso -t iso /path/to/mountpoint
20:27<lupine_85>erm, -t iso9660
20:27<xero9364>Well, I was close. Do i get a cookie.
20:27<lupine_85>half a cookie
20:27<lupine_85>no milk
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20:27[~]xero9364 eats cookie part.
20:27<lupine_85>did I mention the poison
20:27<CodeBlue>lupine_85: i dont think the modules loaded
20:28<lupine_85>do you get a wlan interface when you run iwconfig?
20:28[~]xero9364 sets a C4 in myself and runs to lupine_85's house
20:28<lupine_85>and do you get any promising modules listed if you lsmod |grep rt ?
20:28<Willly>Supaplex: Thanks VERY much. It sounds as though there is at least one bug in process concerning hal at the moment for this very problem. So it may be just a matter of my hunkering down and awaiting a solution.
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20:29<CodeBlue>i get sit0 which is new since i installed the drivers
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20:29<lupine_85>nah, that's not it
20:29<CodeBlue>sit0 no wireless extensions.
20:29<Reaper_NZ>Righto.... Be back soon....
20:29<lupine_85>that's an ipv6-to-ipv4 tunneling thing. completely automagic
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20:29<lupine_85>can you dpkg -L name-of-package-iwconfig-made ?
20:29<lupine_85>erm, m-a
20:29<CodeBlue>when i try to make the source files i got i get
20:29<CodeBlue>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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20:30<lupine_85>yeah. you still don't have the kernel headers installed
20:30<Supaplex>Willly: you might try <downgrade> and <pinning> if you really need hal, but I have no idea what's in store for you in that direction. just /query dpkg for those factoids.
20:30<lupine_85>(apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
20:30<xero9364>Is there anything I can install that will make GL any faster?
20:31<xero9364>I get a good 40 FPS on almost everything, but I thought I would ask.
20:31<lupine_85>xero9364: depends on the driver
20:31<lupine_85>mm, dunno what sort of control you get with that
20:31<xero9364>Not much.
20:31<lupine_85>with nvidia, I can turn off antialiasing, that sort of thing
20:31<xero9364>It's ati's binary blov.
20:32<xero9364>I can change gamma correction. That's all.
20:32<lupine_85>also has a speed<->quality slider
20:32<lupine_85>no is probably your answer then :/
20:32<Willly>Supaplex: Thanks VERY much. I'm not sure what's meant by "pinning". Actually, I have another machine -- a 32-bit -- that hasn't been upgraded in the last three months which I can depend on for my reminders daily ... :/
20:33<xero9364>Any awesome (pre-compiz) 3d stuff I can download?
20:33<lupine_85>3ddesktop? :p
20:33<xero9364>Got it.
20:33<xero9364>Works okay.
20:35<xero9364>Got that and kxdcker. Trying to make a good looking pre-compiz desktop for a bet with some friends.
20:35<lupine_85>my desktop looks pretty good without any 3d
20:35<xero9364>If I can make/get something that looks good without compiz/beryl I get $50
20:36<xero9364>Got a nice theme. Complements the Tux desktop.
20:37<lupine_85> -- the third one is how my screen looks without any open windows atm
20:37<lupine_85>got the kde taskbar hidden by default, for greatest win :)
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20:38<lupine_85>I'm unsure about the staring quistis, thoug
20:38<xero9364>i'll take a screenshot of mine with some open.
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20:39<dante>hello everyone
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20:39<lupine_85>I was just firing up his inferno, too
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20:39<dante>i have kind of a stupid question
20:39<CodeBlue>lupine_85: after trying to install the source drivers i get ra0 no wireless extensions. in iwconfig
20:40<CodeBlue>somthing is still wrong
20:40<lupine_85>just a bit
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20:40<lupine_85>which drivers did you install?
20:40<lupine_85>rt61 or rt2x00?
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20:40<xero9364>sorry. forgot http
20:41<dante>i wrote to the mailing list, someone replied, but i can only see the reply on the net, i did not get it via email
20:41<dante>how do i reply now?
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20:41<lupine_85>CodeBlue: those drivers are deprecated in favour of rt2x00, AIUI
20:41<dante>write to again?
20:42<lupine_85>you're using /ancient/ drivers
20:42<lupine_85>nobody uses the ones released by ralink any more
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20:43<CodeBlue>im re doing m-a a-i rt2x00; to see if that works
20:43<lupine_85>CodeBlue: if not, you want to be at
20:43<lupine_85>you have a choice of rt61 and rt2x00
20:44<lupine_85> is probably the least-hassle
20:45<dante>ok i see you guys are busy atm
20:45<dante>i'll come back and ask some other time
20:45<xero9364>dante: I'm not.
20:45<lupine_85>xero9364: is that being hosted on 56K, or is it just a really big image?
20:45<dante>xero9364: read my question?
20:45[~]Nightroad is back (gone 05:02:55)
20:45<xero9364>It's hosted on very shitty cable
20:45<xero9364>Yes, and I don't know how to help with that, really.
20:45[~]lupine_85 hugs his ISP webspace and 100KB/sec upload
20:46<lupine_85>dante: are you subscribed to the ML?
20:46<xero9364>In a few weeks i'm getting bandwidth upgrades.
20:46<dante>lupine_85: no, i'm not
20:46<xero9364>That'll be quite a lot faster.
20:46<lupine_85>that's why you're not getting replies
20:46<dante>i simply mailed there coz the bug system told me to write to that addresss
20:46<dante>(if i did not know what package it is)
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20:47<dante>well someone did reply but i can only see that on the internet
20:47<dante>i^ll post the link
20:47<dondelelcaro>Nightroad: please turn off the back notification.
20:47<lupine_85>You could set a custom reply-to on future emails, I guess... though that's generally considered impolite
20:47<lupine_85>dante: what you're seeing is the expected behaviour
20:47<dante>lupine_85: i see
20:47<lupine_85>you could also ask in future emails for responders to CC: you
20:47<dante>lupine_85: so if i want to talk further with that person, i write to the mailing list again? or what?
20:48<dondelelcaro>dante: yes
20:48<lupine_85>keeping the discussion on the ML is the politest course of action, yes
20:48<dante>i see
20:48<lupine_85>sorry, xero9364, that's not pretty p
20:48<dante>lupine_85, dondelelcaro, thank you for informing me.
20:49<dante>i'm going to bed now.
20:49<dante>goodbye all, and good luck solving further problems.
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20:51<CodeBlue>lupine_85: tried that one too didnt work
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20:51<lupine_85>it's got more chance of working than the PoS STA ones :p
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20:52<lupine_85>ubuntu does have the advantage over debian when it comes to wireless drivers, it must be admitted
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20:53<CodeBlue>yeah it worked stright away
20:53<CodeBlue>ill prob just end up going back to ubuntu
20:53<lupine_85>I have an rt61 downstairs and have had it working under debian, so don't despair :)
20:54<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: did you put the firmware in place?
20:54<CodeBlue>i get loads of errors when using make on them
20:54<CodeBlue>dondelelcaro: yes
20:54<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: the rt61 driver does work; so if you're getting errors on make it's generally because you don't have the dependencies installed
20:54<lupine_85>errors like...?
20:54<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: if you show us the build logs, we'll be able to tell you what to do
20:55[~]dondelelcaro knows that the rt61 drivers work, since the mythtv box at his parents house uses that
20:55<lupine_85>I used to use rt2x00, but it looks like that's been merged into the mainstream kernel from .6.22 ?
20:56<CodeBlue>^^build logs
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20:57<lupine_85>that built fine
20:58<lupine_85>sudo make install
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20:58<dondelelcaro>or just cp/home/codeblue/rt61-*/Module/rt61.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/; depmod -a; modprobe rt61;
20:58<November>Supaplex - I got that X server to work finally
20:59<lupine_85>mm, that too
20:59<lupine_85>in fact, IIRC make install depends on your running red hat derivs to work properly
20:59<lupine_85>so you need to copy the .ko manually
21:00<lupine_85>don't forget to blitz that other module first, though
21:00<lupine_85>get rid of
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21:01<lupine_85>with extreme prejudice
21:01<CodeBlue>ahh how?
21:01<lupine_85>rm the .ko; rmmod the module
21:02<stev7en>hello everyone
21:02<CodeBlue>the .ko in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
21:02<lupine_85>wherever the previous installation put it
21:02<lupine_85>find it's name by lsmod and adding .ko
21:02<stev7en>hi from Australia
21:03<lupine_85>ralink were good to GPL their driver, but it's a crap piece of code
21:03<Nightroad>from chili
21:03<lupine_85>Couldn't agree more
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21:04<CodeBlue>cant find them
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21:04<lupine_85>well, it must be somewhere :D
21:04<xero9364>I just got mad at my dad and installed a trojan on his Winblows PC.
21:04<CodeBlue>iv tryed to install like 3or 4 diffrent ones does this mean i need to remove all of them
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21:05<lupine_85>well, it's best to
21:05<lupine_85>is the module loaded at the moment
21:05<CodeBlue>how do i tell
21:05<lupine_85>s/the/there a/
21:05<lupine_85>look for a module mentioning 61 or ra or rt
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21:05<lupine_85>almost certainly a combination thereof
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21:06<lupine_85>find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name rt* might help you, also
21:07<CodeBlue>rtc 12372 0 <-- only one
21:07<lupine_85>nope, that's fine to have
21:07<lupine_85>just put this newest one in and hope for the best, then
21:07<CodeBlue>ok how do i do that?
21:08<lupine_85>[02:58] <dondelelcaro> or just cp/home/codeblue/rt61-*/Module/rt61.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/; depmod -a; modprobe rt61; <-- like that
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21:09<CodeBlue>Module Size Used by
21:09<CodeBlue>rt61 212644 0
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21:09<lupine_85>ok. Now you should have a useful interface when you run iwconfig
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21:10<CodeBlue>Module Size Used by
21:10<CodeBlue>rt61 212644 0
21:10<CodeBlue>Module Size Used by
21:10<CodeBlue>rt61 212644 0
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21:10<CodeBlue>ra0 no wireless extensions.
21:10<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:10<CodeBlue>what the hell is going on
21:11<CodeBlue>driving me nuts
21:11<lupine_85>anything informative when you run dmesg?
21:11<dondelelcaro>CodeBlue: check what dmesg said
21:11<dpkg>somebody said glx was OpenGL Extension to the X Window System
21:11<dpkg>i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done.
21:12<twb>Is AIGLX a *replacement* for GLX?
21:12<twb>Oh wait, that's XGL
21:12<CodeBlue>RT61: Vendor = 0x1814, Product = 0x0301
21:12<lupine_85>XGL * aiglx solve the same problem, but in different ways
21:12<CodeBlue>thats the only relevent thing
21:13<gravity>Xgl and AIGLX both require GLX
21:13<gravity>GLX isn't going away any time soon
21:13<lupine_85>glx ftw
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21:14<twb>lupine_85: yabbut isn't AIGLX endorsed by Xorg, and GLX is only used by losers like compiz?
21:14<gravity>twb: You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what GLX is
21:14<lupine_85>GLX != XGL
21:14<twb>Gah, XGGL
21:14<twb>Sorry, thinko
21:15<lupine_85>It just so happens the the compiz developer davidr also develops xgl
21:15<gravity>twb: Xorg does have Xgl hosted, but it's not really being worked on.
21:15<lupine_85>compiz itself - and other compositing managers - can use either
21:15<twb>gravity: GLX is an extension like the SHAPE and MIT-SHM extensions, yes?
21:15<Reaper_NZ>Back, and with another simple question.... How do you stop X from restarting now??? I want to shut it down...
21:15<gravity>twb: Right
21:15<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
21:16<CodeBlue>this dosnt make any sence if the driver is loaded y wont iwconfig work?
21:16<twb>For ATI and Nvidia GPUs, you need tainted drivers to get GLX support?
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21:16<lupine_85>I really don't know :/
21:17<lupine_85>twb: pretty much, yeah
21:17<lupine_85>well, older ati cards work fine with radeon/ati
21:17<Reaper_NZ>Crazy, so if I have X installed, doesn't generally mean I have to have a Display manager... Thats only to login and select the desktop???
21:17<twb>lupine_85: really?
21:17<Aleric>I want another browser than iceweasel ... this thing is HORRIBLE. It's always stalling. I mean... I have #%!$$ four cores now! Why the f#$@%ck does iceweasel lock up my WHOLE desktop constantly?
21:17<lupine_85>radeon 9600 and earlier
21:17<abrotman>twb: so do some older nvidia cards
21:17<twb>My trusty Radeon 9000, which I bought because it works with untainted drivers, is bitching about GLX
21:17<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: sudo X -br :0 also works
21:18<CodeBlue>should i rm all .ko's in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless, theres loads of them
21:18<lupine_85>no no no
21:18<lupine_85>don't do that
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21:18<twb>Aleric: iceweasel is single-threaded, AFAIK, so it can only use one core
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21:18<lupine_85>what's the output of find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name rt* ?
21:18<takt>TOR rules :)
21:18<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:19<CodeBlue>find: paths must precede expression
21:19<Reaper_NZ>How can I get a minimal KDE install?? I had one earlier on but I can't seem to find it again...
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21:20<JSmith>quick question, ive done apt-get install pure-ftpd and for some reason after it installed i cant connect to the server. I just get connection refused... when i do /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start nothin happens either.
21:20<JasonS>minimal and kde in the same sentence?
21:21<Aleric>twb: That's fine - but then I should have three cores left for the rest of my desktop. Yet, the whole gnome desktop stops updating (ie, gkrellm)
21:21<lupine_85>CodeBlue: The command: "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name rt*" works fine here.
21:21<Aleric>Also, panel (I have auto hide) starts to react very slow, if at all.
21:21<twb>Aleric: use netsurf!
21:21<lupine_85>though it does list a load of rtc-related ones that can be ignored
21:21<twb>Come with me, submit bugs far and wide
21:22<Reaper_NZ>JasonS, Yeah, On my last install, there were 4 apps in the internet folder in the start menu thingee....
21:22<Reaper_NZ>now there's like 10 -15....
21:22<lupine_85>minimal kde? install kdebase :)
21:22[~]Reaper_NZ likes streamlined....
21:22<CodeBlue>nope wont work here
21:22<Reaper_NZ>lupine_85: Is that what I had on there??
21:22<Aleric>Maybe I'll install ... hmm, whats the name
21:22<lupine_85>it's the most minimal kde you'll ever get
21:23<lupine_85>although you don't really need khelpcenter...
21:23<lupine_85>yeah, you could strip it down further
21:23<CodeBlue>works without -name rt*
21:24<CodeBlue>works without *
21:24<CodeBlue>but dont list anything]
21:24<lupine_85>well, it won't
21:24<CodeBlue>maby my find dosnt accept *
21:24<lupine_85>try escaping the * ?
21:24<lupine_85>(so \*)
21:25<twb>lupine_85: any idea WTF that is all about?
21:25<lupine_85>twb: nope. older radeons work fine with glx
21:25<lupine_85>does glxinfo give you any hints?
21:25<twb>bash: glxinfo: command not found
21:26<lupine_85>it's in mesa-utils:
21:26<twb>As usual, it says "direct rendering: yes"
21:27<lupine_85>CodeBlue: delete the files in lines 28, 23, 22, 1
21:27<lupine_85>then re-install that latest one, and re-do depmod -a
21:27<lupine_85>then rmmod rt61 && modprobe rt61
21:28<lupine_85>oops. twb: anything useful in the rest of it? might be worth pastebinning xorg.0.conf too
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21:29<lupine_85>it certainly looks like GLX is set up correctly from that output
21:29<twb>Tremulous works, if that's any help
21:29<twb>bzflag works, but REALLY slowly
21:30<CodeBlue>as in: cp /home/codeblue/rt61-*/Module/rt61.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/; depmod -a; modprobe rt61;
21:30<twb> xorg.conf
21:30<lupine_85>CodeBlue: yep
21:31<CodeBlue>done still ra0 no wireless extensions.
21:32<chealer>Reaper_NZ: ask #debian-kde
21:32<lupine_85>twb: that's quite a minimalist xorg.conf
21:32<twb>Damn straight.
21:32<lupine_85>how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
21:32<twb>One moment.
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21:33<lupine_85>CodeBlue: I dunno then. It should be working; it isn't
21:33<lupine_85>firmware is definitely in the right place?
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21:33<CodeBlue>ok thanks for all your help
21:34<twb> Xorg.0.log
21:36<CodeBlue>AHHHHHHH i got it to work
21:36<CodeBlue>WOOOOO hooooo
21:36<lupine_85>oh? woot? how?
21:37<lupine_85>twb: hmm. A few things - the EXA or FBDev options could be interfering with GLX (although that's a complete guess) or your program could be depending on one of the visuals you're missing
21:37<gravity>EXA shouldn't
21:37<CodeBlue>i done depmod -a; modprobe rt61; before without rmmod
21:37<gravity>fbdev maybe
21:38<lupine_85>bad CodeBlue :p
21:38<lupine_85>or, you know, it could just be a bug in desmume full-stop
21:39<twb>lupine_85: OK, thanks
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21:39<lupine_85>oh wow. My glx is all broken
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21:40<lupine_85>no need to thank us, don't worry... :p
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21:41<lupine_85>quick poll: how many virtual desktops do people have - and use regularly?
21:41<dondelelcaro>10 or more
21:41<lupine_85>cor. How do you manage them?
21:42<dondelelcaro>I use ion and/or wmii
21:42<lupine_85>ah; ion is considerable win :D
21:42<lupine_85>I'm more or less stuck with kwin
21:42<Aleric>I have 4, and use 3 regularly (I have three 20" monitors per virtual desktop though - so I don't need a lot for space)
21:43<lupine_85>I'm using 4, and they're all constantly full now
21:43<lupine_85>what i'd like is for kwin to automatically put each application on it's own virtual desktop
21:43<Aleric>Use devilspie
21:43<lupine_85>create new ones as needed; delete unneeded ones
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21:44[~]lupine_85 has a try
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21:45<twb>I can only see parts of the game
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21:45<lupine_85>haha. man devilspie: "BUGS: This manpage is almost useless, as it was thrown together on a train."
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21:48<lupine_85>mm. What appears to be missing at first glance is a mechanism to find an empty workspace; and to liase with kwin to add/remove workspaces as needed
21:48<Aleric>lupine_85: and another example that I use that sets it on a particular work space:
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21:49<CodeBlue>what is the apt-get name for sun-java6-jre
21:49<lupine_85>it doesn't seem to do what I want it to, but thanks for pointing it out
21:49<lupine_85>I can possibly hack the code, assuming relevent dcop calls are available in kwin
21:50<lupine_85>are those s-thingies lisp?
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21:51<lupine_85>in the meantime, I'll just expand to 8 workspaces
21:52<twb>lupine_85: it's not Lisp, it's Scheme written by someone who doesn't know Scheme.
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21:52<twb>Probably using Guile, the most evilest of Schemes
21:52<lupine_85>fair enough
21:52<lupine_85>I don't know lisp *or* scheme
21:53<lupine_85>don't suppose you know if it has if-then and exec() equivalents, does it?
21:53<lupine_85>s/does it/do you/
21:53<chealer>CodeBlue: if you're asking what's the package name of sun-java6-jre, it's sun-java6-jre
21:54<twb>If Lisp is a complete machine shop with every possible tool, then Scheme is the same thing during a power outage, so you have to build a backup generator with hand tools before you can do any real work
21:54<twb>lupine_85: Lisp invented the if/then/else construct
21:55<CodeBlue>see i tryed that but no package was found
21:55<lupine_85>ah; I see an if-then example in the readme
21:55<CodeBlue>dont matter ne way done it manuly
21:55<CodeBlue>cya all l8r and thanks for all the help
21:56<lupine_85>np CodeBlue
21:56<lupine_85>but for this to work, I'll need to be making dcop calls
21:56[~]lupine_85 googles
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22:00<lupine_85>ho hum. looks like devilspie doesn't support variables or exec()
22:00<lupine_85>...for now :D
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22:10<Reaper_NZ>Wow.... mint....
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22:11<twb>lupine_85: (let ((x 2)) (+ x x)) ?
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22:13<lupine_85>it seems to be using a really small subset of stuff
22:13<lupine_85>A quick grep of the parser .c file suggests that "let" isn't a supported function
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22:15<Reaper_NZ>Far out... mtnman and xero9364.... Who was it said quanta??? Maybe lupine_85? L:)
22:16<Reaper_NZ>lupine_85.... Awesome... :)
22:16[~]lupine_85 emails the developer of devilspie
22:16<Reaper_NZ>Just as a question, is your nick off lupus??
22:17<kurumin>i have a cd with debian here, is there a way to run it in VMWare?
22:17<lupine_85>no, it's not lupus :)
22:17<kurumin>i need the vmx file...
22:17<lupine_85>kurumin: qemu can make vmx files
22:18<lupine_85>or you could use qemu + kqemu
22:18<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: it's latin for "wolf-like". similar class of word to "bovine"
22:18<kurumin>ok, i'll get some info on that
22:18<kurumin>thank you
22:19<lupine_85>np. It's the "qemu-img" binary that you need
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22:20<lupine_85>hang on. The vmx isn't the disk image, it's the running paramters?
22:20<lupine_85>qemu-img can make the vmdk for you
22:20<lupine_85>you can get a .vmx suitable for running a live/install CD in from various places around t'internet
22:20<twentiethII>i have a cd here, it's an old version i think, but i'am on kurumin right now, through VMWare, and i was wondering if i could do the same with debian
22:21<Reaper_NZ>Ummm, If I want to delet a whole load of files, and folders, excludeing 1, what command could I type.... and also the non-hidden ones only....
22:22[~]Reaper_NZ is really a newbie... but just hates reading for basic ones.... You could say I am so-what a "Script-Kiddie" or Bunny or something...
22:22<lupine_85>Reaper_NZ: I'd use find to get a list of files, and grep -v to exclude the ones I didn't want to delete
22:22<lupine_85>or, you know, copy out the few files you don't want to lose, delete everything, then move the treasured files back in
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22:23<Reaper_NZ>Yeah, it's the home folder....
22:23<Reaper_NZ>mc may come to the rescue... :)
22:23<lupine_85>in that case, I'd definitely do it the second way
22:23<lupine_85>actually, my ~ is a complete mess atm
22:23<lupine_85>it's a mass of symlinks
22:24<Reaper_NZ>yeah, mines full of WinFirefox Bookmarks and txt docs....
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22:24<twb>lupine_85: version control
22:24<Reaper_NZ>I need to do a big transitition to linux...
22:26<lupine_85>twb: It's more complicated than that :)
22:26<twb>That's what they all say
22:26<Reaper_NZ>That worked.... mc that is.... trusty... small....
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22:33<lupine_85>hrm. that doesn't work - execve() isn't what I thought it was
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22:33<lupine_85>I need a C function that executes a given program, blocks until it completes, then returns the program's exit value
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22:34<gravity>That sounds pretty easy
22:34<gravity>lupine_85: system
22:34<lupine_85>Mmm, if you know what the function is called
22:35<lupine_85>you rock
22:35<lupine_85>thanks :()
22:35<lupine_85>erm, :)
22:36<Reaper_NZ>Does anyone have an idea on how different rar is to tar?? I just noticed that I would've thought they were all rar, but seems they may have been changed by something...
22:38<gravity>Reaper_NZ: They're very different, aiui
22:38<gravity>tar just basically cats the files together. rar compresses them and is able to do funky things like split in to multiple files for a single archive
22:38<lupine_85>very, very different
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22:43<Reaper_NZ>true... Ah well....
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22:48[~]lupine_85 may have just implemented system()
22:50<lupine_85>it's just a wrapper for this s-expressions thing in devilspie
22:50<gravity>lupine_85: You know that one's in k&r, right?
22:50<lupine_85>it's my first time playing with a parser
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22:50<lupine_85>I'm not /that/ NIH :D
22:50<SAouthernC>i compiled my own kernel using the same config from my working etch2 kernel and now i cant connect to the internet anyone got any idears ?
22:51<lupine_85>hehe... whoops: "e-sexp.c:647: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘system’ from incompatible pointer type"
22:52<gravity>char* ftw
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22:54<Reaper_NZ>Can I chuck a tty session from here (tty2) to x????
22:55<Reaper_NZ>in to a window?? :P
22:56<lupine_85>mm. Turns out I had to argv[0]->value.string rather than just argv[0], lol
22:56<lupine_85>time to test!
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22:58<lupine_85>OMG, it seems to sort-of-work
22:59<lupine_85>It does. It works.
22:59<oxymor00n>Reaper_NZ: use screen
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23:04<Reaper_NZ>oxymor00n: Awesome.. ;P
23:05<Reaper_NZ>I have to install that package too aye.. ;P
23:05<oxymor00n>yeah i think it is the only way. and screen rocks anyway
23:08<Reaper_NZ>Hmmmm... O.k..... Maybe I might resist setting it up crazy again.... I've got WinME up and ready to do the final boot prep... sitting under grub.. :)
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23:12<Reaper_NZ>Woah, I even done man grub and edited the grub loader to remove the extra line....
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23:14<Dirtyworks>anyone know why upgrading my kernel would make my ethernet device not work anymore ?
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23:16<twb>Dirtyworks: missing driver?
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23:17<Dirtyworks>its still the same system and the same config from the previous kernel
23:17<twb>What is your point?
23:17<Dirtyworks>it says its connection established and is there but wotn connect
23:17<twb>What says this?
23:17<ryanCH>how do i make it so only the linux console only comes up on startup?
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23:18<twb>ryanCH: as opposed to what?
23:18<Dirtyworks>the toolbar thing at the bottom
23:18<twb>Dirtyworks: I have no idea what you're talking about
23:18<Dirtyworks>network manager aplet
23:18<ryanCH>twb: KDE starts automatically, how do i prevent that??
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23:18<twb>ryanCH: remove KDE, is easiest
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23:19<ryanCH>twb: there has to be a way to boot just to the console, but i still want to use "startx" to start KDE when i need it
23:19<twb>ryanCH: sure.
23:19<twb>ryanCH: use rcconf or similar to disable kdm from starting
23:19<blarson>ryanCH: remove kdm, gdm, xdm, etc.
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23:20<twb>Yes, or remove all ~Px-display-manager packages, but this may not be possible if you are using the `kde' metapackage.
23:20<ryanCH>is "rcconf" a command?
23:21<twb>ryanCH: yes.
23:22<twb>ryanCH: you will probably need to install it.
23:23<Reaper_NZ>Hold up...
23:23<Reaper_NZ>I had this just before.... Remove the DMs???
23:24<ryanCH>twb: i did "apt-get remove kdm" and it says it's not installed
23:24<twb>aptitude search ~i~Px-display-manager
23:24<twb>Don't use apt-get, it doesn't create a log.
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23:29<Reaper_NZ>twb: What? How does that work, i is obviously installed; What are the rest??? :)
23:30<twb>Reaper_NZ: what are you trying to do?
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23:32<Reaper_NZ>wanna list all the x-display-managers.. ;P
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23:33<twb>Reaper_NZ: run 14:19 <twb> aptitude search ~i~Px-display-manager
23:33<twb>Actually drop the ~i, which limits to installed packages.
23:33<Reaper_NZ>actually... aptitude search ~Px-display-manager
23:35<Reaper_NZ>How would I find things like kde, enlightment, blackbox and all that?
23:35<twb>Do you mean x window managers?
23:36<ice63>i have Blackbox on my other box
23:38<twb>ice63: congratulations. Have a cookie.
23:39<ice63>hmm not
23:41<ice63>twb, you moust have kde runing right ?
23:42<twb>ice63: why do you think that?
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23:52<Reaper_NZ>ice63: Yeah.... Like list em all.... not the display managers, the actual desktop themselves....
23:52<Reaper_NZ>Dang it...
23:52<Reaper_NZ>Back later..
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23:54<twb>Blackbox is not a desktop environment.
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