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---Logopened Fri Aug 03 00:00:19 2007
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00:41<twb>I done scared everyone quiet
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00:43<windio00>has anyone gotten sprint mobile broadband (evdo soon to be wimax) working on debian?
00:43<windio00>with the sierra 595u
00:44<windio00>the only wiki i can find is for ubuntu server edition
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00:46<Internat85>is there much in the way of commandline tools that i can use to check the health of a sata drive? SMARTD apparently doesnt work with my drive.. but im pretty sure its bogus and want like a tool to stresstest it.. it can be destructive for all i care
00:50<twb>Internat85: SATA drive?
00:50<twb>smartd does work, it's just confused
00:50<twb>It thinks sda is SCSI unless you tell it the drive is ATA underneath
00:51<Internat85>with -d ata?
00:51<Internat85>i tried tyhat and it sayd no i dont suppor tsata
00:51<Internat85>err smartd
00:52<twb>Internat85: do sudo smartctl -i -d ata /dev/sda, FSVO sda
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00:52<twb>It really says "not available"?
00:52<twb>For Some Value Of
00:52<twb>e.g. if the drive is sdb, use that instead
00:53<Internat85>1 sec
00:53<Internat85>Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)
00:53<Internat85>A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
00:54<twb>Internat85: what make/model is the drive?
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00:55<Internat85>i bought 2 identical drives at the same time.. it should be
00:55<Internat85>Device Model: SAMSUNG HD501LJ
00:55<Internat85>Serial Number: S0MUJ1KP308153
00:56<Internat85>actually maybe it is fubar and thats why smartd wont touch it.. cause i just tried smartd on the other drive in the system and it works
00:56<twb>Internat85: OK, now what does lspci say about the SATA bus?
00:56<twb>You may have to enabled smart in the BIOS, I don't know.
00:57<Internat85>well the other drives work for smart so i assume it is enabled
00:57<Internat85>04:05.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02)
00:57<Internat85>maybe thats smartds way of telling me the hdd is dead and it isnt even going to look at it
00:58<twb>Internat85: I don't think so.
00:58<twb>Is the drive actually cabled correctly and working?
00:59<Internat85>i believe so.. i cant pyscially check it at this point in time. i assumed it wouldnt have been found by the bios if it wasnt
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01:05<jm_>new versions of smartmontools luckily no-longer need -d ata for SATA drives and will ahndle them automatically
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01:10<jm_>Internat85: check dmesg output when you run smartctl
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01:14<Supaplex>oh goodness. my 320gb drive has a fubar partition table
01:14<Internat85>doing that now
01:15<Supaplex>I think I'm going to look for ext2 signatures and try and figure out where a superblock is. *sigh*
01:16<jm_>hmm you should not need that, mkfs will list them for you
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01:16<jm_>Internat85: which kernel version is that?
01:17<Internat85>Linux channel #1 SMP Tue Apr 10 04:38:47 EST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
01:18<Internat85>sshould i be looking at moving to a newer kernel
01:18<jm_>2.6.18 supports ATA pass through for SATA drives, does smartctl -a -d ata /dev/foo report the same error?
01:19<Internat85>yeah it does
01:20<jm_>and it's smartmontools 5.37?
01:21<Internat85>Version: 5.36-8
01:21<Internat85>am running stable
01:21<jm_>hmm might be worth trying a newer version first
01:22<Internat85>yeah assuming it doesnt break dependsancies i will look
01:22<jm_>!simple sid backport
01:22<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
01:22<jm_>should be trivial to rebuild
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01:25<dpkg>i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport>
01:26<Supaplex>HAH! it was there all along. /dev/sda: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files)
01:28<Supaplex>first clue :) # hd /dev/sda | grep "53 ef" | head -n 10
01:28<Supaplex>00000430 48 27 94 46 01 00 1c 00 53 ef 01 00 01 00 00 00 |H'.F....S.......|
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01:29<jm_>so it doesn't have partition table at all? :)
01:30<Supaplex>the machine it was plugged into, ran for soooo long (no reboots) I totally forgot about it.
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01:31[~]Supaplex is running a fsck atm just to be safe
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01:32<Supaplex>perfect. no errors. \o/ yay
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01:42<DennisTheTiger>Is ndiswrapper known to not work on a k7 compiled kernel?
01:42<SAouthernC>anyone know why updating my kernel would make it so i cant use internet ?
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01:42<Supaplex>it should work just as well as any other x86 kernel
01:42<Supaplex>which is to say, substandard...
01:42<Supaplex>SAouthernC: symptoms > conclusions
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01:43<SAouthernC>well im using the same config as the old kernel and it says connection established on the network manager aplet
01:43<SAouthernC>but no connection
01:44<SAouthernC>ive tried ifconfig up down all devices nothing works
01:45<Supaplex>can you ping the router/gateway?
01:45<SAouthernC>one sec
01:45<SAouthernC>network is unreachable
01:46<Supaplex>can you ping
01:47<SAouthernC>trying hang on it says i got three devices lo eth32 eth3
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01:48<Supaplex>afk/bbiam, visitor
01:49<DennisTheTiger>I have an AirLink ALWH3026T, which uses a Ralink 2x00 driver. I followed the directions at, but the problem is that while I see the card in lspci, I cannot get it to list with 'ifconfig -a'. What did I miss, and what can I do to fix this?
01:49<jm_>and your network config is actually configuring the right interfaces?
01:49<DennisTheTiger>Note, using Etch.
01:49<jm_>DennisTheTiger: is the driver loaded?
01:50<DennisTheTiger>jm_: I'm not sure, but modprobe when run manually didn't gack at me.
01:50<DennisTheTiger>jm_: How should I check for this?
01:50<jm_>DennisTheTiger: lsmod and see
01:51<SAouthernC>Supaplex no i cant ping either on anyd evices
01:51<SAouthernC>100% packetloss
01:51<DennisTheTiger>jm_: It's loaded.
01:52<SAouthernC>any ideas ?
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01:53<jm_>DennisTheTiger: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth*/device/ and see if anyone is related to rt2000
01:53<jm_>"any one" even
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01:54<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Nope. One is the NIC that doesn't want to work since a BIOS flash, the other is the 3COM I'm using.
01:54<jm_>DennisTheTiger: then check dmesg output for anything that rt2000 might have said
01:55<jm_>DennisTheTiger: ohh and there are different variants of this thing - rt2400-source, rt2500-source, rt2570-source and rt2x00-source -- are you sure you're using the right one?
01:55<DennisTheTiger>jm_: It says nothing.
01:56<DennisTheTiger>jm_: I'm using rt2500, let me doublecheck the email from airlink...
01:58<jm_>DennisTheTiger: what does ls /sys/class/net show?
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01:59<DennisTheTiger>eth[01], lo, sit0. eth1 is the dead NIC.
01:59<Supaplex>SAouthernC: make sure lo is up
01:59<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
01:59<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Already checked ifconfig -a as well.
02:00[~]Zomb had mostly bad experience with Ralink. The independently-maintained driver only compiles with the latest chipset and still makes weird crap like data output getting stuck, and ralink only maintains the driver for the latest chipset, so older ones do not work with the current kernel. Pure crap.
02:00<jm_>DennisTheTiger: then try loading it with debug=1
02:02<SAouthernC><Supaplex: lo is up and cant ping on all 3 devices will it work
02:02<SAouthernC>it wont work on any of the three rather
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02:03<DennisTheTiger>jm_: ...erm, how do I do that? *blush*
02:03<jm_>DennisTheTiger: rmmod rt2500 && modprobe rt2500 debug=1
02:03<jm_>DennisTheTiger: ahh wait, it might need recompiling with debugging enabled
02:04<berat>i am sorry but i dont connect to web site
02:04<berat>i paste here because of this
02:04<berat>hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
02:04<berat>hdc: command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 }
02:04<berat>ide: failed opcode was: unknown
02:04<berat>ATAPI device hdc:
02:04<berat> Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
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02:04<DennisTheTiger>jm_: ...yeah, no debug enabled.
02:04<DennisTheTiger>...sounds like berat's disk is dying.
02:04<jm_>DennisTheTiger: then I think your best bet is to do that and contact the developers
02:04<gsimmons>DennisTheTiger: I think you're using the wrong driver. The AWLH3026T is a rt2561-based card, for which you'll need to use the rt61 driver.
02:05<jm_>there you go
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02:05<jm_>debug would have told you that anyway
02:05<DennisTheTiger>berat: Sounds like a dying or underpowered drive.
02:06<berat>there is a point i dont understand itt meantion my hdd or cd-rom(medium) ?
02:06<DennisTheTiger>jm_, gsimmons: Well, there's something on, methinks I should give it a shot.
02:06<DennisTheTiger>berat: Whatever device is at /dev/hdc is failing.
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02:07<berat>it is cd-rom
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02:09<DennisTheTiger>...holy jeez, I haven't compiled in ages.
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02:11<vicky>how do i check my hardware arch in linux
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02:11<DennisTheTiger>vicky: cat /proc/cpuinfo
02:12<DennisTheTiger>vicky: eh?
02:12<vicky>not showin me the arch
02:13<vicky>processor : 0
02:13<vicky>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
02:13<vicky>cpu family : 6
02:13<vicky>model : 15
02:13<vicky>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz
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02:13<DennisTheTiger>!tell vicky about pastebin
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02:14<DennisTheTiger>vicky: Based on this, you want 686.
02:14<vicky>whats my arch
02:14<gsimmons>vicky: uname -m
02:14<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
02:15<DennisTheTiger>gsimmons, jm_: got it, I think. Just have to pick through it.
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02:16<DennisTheTiger>!beer jm_
02:16[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for jm_
02:16<DennisTheTiger>!beer gsimmons
02:16[~]dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Pils for gsimmons
02:16<DennisTheTiger>Thank you, both.
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02:17<jm_>what was it?
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02:22<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Wrong driver. I just downloaded and compiled a driver from ralink's website.
02:23<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Now... how would I go about hooking up this thing to a wireless LAN?
02:23<jm_>DennisTheTiger: have you tried steps listed in the howto you linked us with earlier?
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02:24<DennisTheTiger>jm_: So far, yes, but I'm a little confused as to what to look for. This is my first time toying with wifi, see.
02:25<vicky>ok i have issues with my fc7
02:25<vicky>gives me some ext3 inode errors
02:25<vicky>i need to copy paste em but cant seem to find em
02:25<vicky>they dnt show in dmesg
02:25<vicky>where else can i look
02:25<gsimmons>vicky: You're referring to Fedora Core? You're in the wrong place, I'm afraid.
02:25<vicky>forget fc
02:26<vicky>its a linux ques
02:26<DennisTheTiger>jm_: ...back
02:26<vicky>where would such logs go
02:27<jm_>DennisTheTiger: ohh I have no clue about that, I have never in my life used wireless either ;)
02:28<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Heh, then we're even. =^_^= Me, I'm gonna want it to use in a hotel at the end of the month - and I really don't want to find out the hard way that their supplied wifi/ethernet bridges don't work worth a damn.
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02:36<gsimmons>DennisTheTiger: There's more than enough HOWTOs on the subject (ask dpkg about 'wireless'), but you'd want to install the 'wireless-tools' package and read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian.
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02:36<DennisTheTiger>gsimmons: Yeah, I'm also discovering wifi-radar as well.
02:36<gsimmons>DennisTheTiger: You can save yourself from repetitive 'iwconfig foo' commands by placing oft used values within your /etc/network/interfaces file.
02:37<DennisTheTiger>gsimmons: Indeed. I'll be playing with this later, though, as it is time I hit the hay.
02:37<DennisTheTiger>Thanks again for the help.
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02:40<Kebianizao>etch (and Debian now on) is suppose to use utf-8 by default
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02:40<Kebianizao>why is this then: grep CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT /boot/config-2.6.22-1-686
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02:44<Glanzmann>My debian platin support number is 8374381
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02:44<Glanzmann>I have prio 1 support call (standstill): How can I configure my xdm that it listens for indirect queries with debian etch?
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02:46<Kebianizao>I'll try on #debian-kernel
02:47<jm_>Kebianizao: that's just the default, doesn't mean user can't change it
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02:50<Kebianizao>jm_: right, after recompiling the kernel and have to do it on each kernel upgrade
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02:54<jm_>Kebianizao: no, not really
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02:55<Kebianizao>jm_: how do you propose then?
02:56<jm_>Kebianizao: you can load NLS module of your choice, several filesystems support iocharset mount option
02:57<Kebianizao>aha, so the proposed solution is echo "nls_utf-8" >>/etc/modules ?
02:57<jm_>for example
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02:58<Kebianizao>i find that more convenient than using iocharset="utf-8" on each mounting
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02:58<Kebianizao>jm_: still don't you think changing default kernel charset is better?
03:00<jm_>Kebianizao: no, are you sure UTF8 is the default?
03:00<Kebianizao>jm_: utf-8 should be the default charset in etch AFAIK?
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03:02<jm_>let's see
03:03<jm_>2 minutes to download netinst
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03:03[~]Kebianizao is reading the release notes
03:04<Kebianizao>Default encoding for etch is UTF-8
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03:05<Kebianizao>jm_: ^
03:05<jm_>Kebianizao: yuo
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03:25<Morsik>Hi all
03:25<Morsik>i need help
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03:26<Morsik>i'm from russia]
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03:29<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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03:41<jm_>yup, verifie, it's UTF8
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03:42<Kebianizao>jm_: and what's to be done, I've suggested kernel people to change it, but no answer FTM
03:42<jm_>Kebianizao: by sugmitting a bug?
03:43<Kebianizao>ok, I'll do it
03:43<Kebianizao>against what linux-?
03:44<Kebianizao>source?, image?
03:44<jm_>then one oyu're using? :)
03:45<Kebianizao>I use my own linux build :)
03:45<jm_>ahh yeah just pick one and it will be OK
03:45<Kebianizao>jm_: etch's already released with that, too late for utf-8
03:46<jm_>Kebianizao: yes but it's important to point it out, unless they are already aware of it obviously
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03:47<Kebianizao>I guess I'll find some generic linux-image package
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03:51<Kebianizao>jm_: how would you qualify this bug? important?
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03:53<davep>Anyone in?
03:53<davep>I'm having some major IPv4 problems...
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03:54<Supermule_>Hi all.
03:54<Supermule_>I'am trying to figure out which version of the GTK library I have installed. What do I do?
03:54<Supermule_>I am running debian stable on i386.
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03:54<davep>tried dpkg -l | grep gtk
03:55<Kebianizao>Supermule_: apt-cache policy blah
03:55<Kebianizao>or s/policy/show as well
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03:56<Supermule_>davep: ii libgtk2.0-0 2.8.20-7 The GTK+ graphical user interface library
03:56<Supermule_>so which is it? 2.0-0 or 2.8.20-7 ?
03:56<Kebianizao>with 7tn debian version
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03:57<burningphire>Hi. Which platform CD should I use to install to take full advantage of an Intel Core 2 Duo (64 bit bus and dual cores)?
03:57<yaeyo>Please dont shoot! Please point me in the right direction to some XGL under debian documentation :) anyting other than sonique
03:57<Supermule_>thanks davep & jm_ & Kebianizao
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03:58<jm_>burningphire: i386 or amd64
03:59<burningphire>jm_: amd64 for an Intel? who made up that nomenclature?!
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03:59<jm_>burningphire: AMD was first to come up with 64bit extensions so it's fair it is named after them
04:00<burningphire>jm_: i see.
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04:03<alex__>keywords !ia64
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04:03<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
04:04<alex__>that wasnt directed at anyon
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04:04<burningphire>alex__: Thanks for the info, anyway.
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04:16<evaso2>Hi guys.. what program could try to automatic send mail to www-data@domain ?
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04:20<sep>evaso2, imagine your webserver havnig a script that sends mail. the sender will be the apache user often www-data. imagine someone relpying to that mail, or that it bounced for any reason. the senders address www-data would be the recipient of that reply/bounce.
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04:24<evaso2>sep: seems that this message are generate localhost.. what kind o standard installation could produce this?
04:24<alex__>evaso2, error logs
04:24<alex__>system logs
04:24<alex__>apache logs
04:24<alex__>apache errors
04:24<alex__>anything related to something going on with user:group interaction on files/processors
04:25<alex__>with *that*
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04:29<evaso2>alex__: where could be configured to send mail to this address www-data@domain ?
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04:29<alex__>or depending on your cirtual host setup
04:29<alex__>should be around httpd.conf
04:32<evaso2>alex__ if i not specify Serveradminamil in httpd.con it will use www-data@domain?
04:32<evaso2>i mean Serveradminemail
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04:33<alex__>um, probably
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05:00<tslh>someone know how to see which process make a lot of software interruptions?
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05:01<Kebianizao>tslh: maybe in /proc/<pid>
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05:02<ifvoid>tslh: powetop
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05:05<tslh>ifvoid: thanks for the name, I try that
05:07<tslh>ifvoid: seem cool, even if my system is not an Intel :)
05:07<tslh>hum... my aptitude segfault, but apt-get wroks well
05:07<tslh>any clue? :p
05:07<tslh>(using lenny)
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05:11<Kebianizao>tslh: use aptitude-create-state-bundle and send a bug report
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05:13<tslh>Kebianizao: do you mean aptitude create-state-bundle?
05:15<tslh>damn, this look a aptitude companion, but I don't have it
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05:24<Kebianizao>tslh: exactly that aptitude-create-state-bundle
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05:29<disposable>i need to back up my MBR/partition table. do i need to back up first 512 bytes of /dev/sd? or 1024?
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05:31<tslh>Kebianizao: i'm using aptitude, not 0.4.6 where it appeared :(
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05:34<Kebianizao>tslh: oh, ok
05:34<Kebianizao>tslh: then i will be difficult to reproduce
05:35<Kebianizao>I guess the aptitude developers created that new command with the intention to reproduce that kind of problems
05:35<tslh>that will be more difficult ever since it segfault no more... Oo
05:36<tslh>Kebianizao: thanks for your voodoo help :p
05:36<Kebianizao>tslh: if you don't mind I'll stick to intel :D
05:36<gsimmons>disposable: The first 512. You can use sfdisk's '-d' option to dump the partition table (of your specified device) to a file.
05:36[~]Kebianizao turns bad jokes mode off
05:36<Kebianizao>tslh: np
05:36<disposable>gsimmons, thank you
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06:10<bcochofel>What's the port on the server when I access smb://host ?
06:11<weasel>"it depends"
06:11<Kebianizao>bcochofel: samba are several ports, but I think its 445 mainly
06:11<Kebianizao>(check out /etc/services)
06:11<bcochofel>Kebianizao: thx
06:11<weasel>445, or 137-139
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06:12<Kebianizao>right, 137-139 is for network /browsing/
06:13<berto>137 is udp iirc
06:13<weasel>Kebianizao: 445 is a rather new thing. previously all the stuff was done over netbios (137-139)
06:13<weasel>therefore "it depends"
06:14<berto>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 7266/smbd
06:14<berto>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 7266/smbd
06:14<berto>udp 0 0* 7263/nmbd
06:14<berto>udp 0 0* 7263/nmbd
06:14<berto>that's what I have
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06:17<frank>445 is since samba 3.0
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06:39<Zooby>Hi everybody
06:39<Feisty>hey zoob
06:39<Zooby>save me, my debian is broken :'(
06:40<Feisty>what did you do?
06:40<Zooby>hmm i don't know
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06:40<Zooby>i was working on my firewall rules
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06:40<Zooby>& then i reboot
06:40<Zooby>gdm freezed
06:40<Zooby>i hard reboot
06:40<Feisty>you must have done something else
06:40<Zooby>& now i can't boot
06:40<Feisty>any error message
06:40<Zooby>Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
06:41<Feisty>never got that
06:41<Feisty>are your disks ok?
06:41<Zooby>i boot with knopix
06:41<dpkg>Telling us that something is broken is fairly useless. You need to tell us exactly what is failing, and what you expected it to do. Ask me about <doesn't work>
06:41<Feisty>looks like some files got corrupted
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06:41<Feisty>i got a question myself
06:41<Zooby>i guess too
06:41<Feisty>is anyone using ktorrent?
06:42<Zooby>but i don't know how to fix it
06:42<Zooby>nope i'm using rtorrent
06:42<Kebianizao>Feisty: me
06:42<Zooby>i was*
06:42<Feisty>thanks Kebianizao
06:43<Zooby>So the exact error message is
06:43<Feisty>i just installed version 2.2 and now i cant seem to get at the page where you can set the priority of individual files to be downloaded
06:43<Zooby>Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
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06:43<Feisty>do you know that screen? it used to be default
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06:43<Zooby>BusyBox 1.1.3 built-in shell ..
06:43<Feisty>i spent 15 minuets on it already ;)
06:43<Zooby>/bin/sh : can't access tty; job control turned off
06:43<Kebianizao>Feisty: I don't know it, but I'd like
06:44<Feisty>zooby i guess you have to replace init
06:44<Kebianizao>Feisty: maybe we could move to #debian-kde
06:44<Feisty>see if you can access it with an editor
06:44<Zooby>how do i do ?
06:44<Feisty>ok kebianizao i will do that
06:44<Feisty>in knoppix, go to the init file and see if it looks ok, not garbled or inaccessible
06:45<liam>recently installed from 4.0 (was 3.1) and am confused: gcc "... not found" yet gcc-4.1-base package is installed ... anyone know what i'm doing stupidly wrong?
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06:45<Zooby>ok Feisty
06:45<Zooby>i'm gonna try this
06:50<Feisty>if there is something wrong with the init file then replace it
06:50<Feisty>either from someonelse with debian or from knoppix or from scratch ok
06:50<Zooby>is a plain-text file ?
06:50<Feisty>Kebianizao: moving to debian-kde!
06:50<Feisty>yes zooby
06:50<frank>liam: so you use gcc? just install gcc
06:50<gsimmons>liam: You'd want to install the 'gcc' package. 'gcc-4.1-base' only contain common files WRT the GNU Compiler Collection.
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06:50<liam>i've tried apt-get install of gcc; did little/nothing. still no "gcc" in /usr/bin have gcc-4.1 .... even /usr/include is "empty"
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06:51<liam>the contents of /usr/inlcude consists of just this: gdict-1.0 initreq.h python2.3 python2.4 X11
06:51<Zooby>it seems
06:51<Zooby>init has been deleted
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06:52<CodeBlue>hello all
06:52<Feisty>ok zooby
06:52<Feisty>then replace it
06:52<Zooby>whereis scratch ?
06:52<Feisty>or do a locate init
06:53<Zooby>i've got the init of knoppix
06:53<Zooby>but i need the init of debian right ?
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06:54<CodeBlue>yesterday i managed to get my wireless card to detect (with help). but i cant get connected to my router. my card is picked up in Desktop>Administration>Networking and iv set up all the options but i dont think there being applied
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06:55<frank>CodeBlue: take a look at "iwconfig DEVICENAME"
06:55<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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06:57<CodeBlue>^ iwconfig
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06:58<lirovax>alguien habla espanol?
06:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:59<Zooby>i don't find it
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07:00<lirovax>i need to mount just the disk
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07:00<frank>CodeBlue: look wether essid and encryption is correct, then try "dhclient ra0" if your router has dhcp enabled otherwise set up your ip manual with ifconfig/ip
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07:01<liam>just did an apt-get install g++-4.1 ...... apt-get did its magic ...... still no compiler, but now there's more in /usr/include ... ???
07:02<Feisty>knoppix is a debian based distro
07:02<Feisty>that doesnt mean for certain that it will work, you might need to edit it by hand
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07:05<moongoose>hello everybody
07:05<gsimmons>liam: Try reinstalling the 'gcc-4.1' package: apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.1
07:06<moongoose>i have a problem with dhcp and iptables, anybody there who can help?
07:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:07<Feisty>where is the screen in ktorrent 2.1 and up where you can set the priority of individual files to be downloaded? thanks guys
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07:11<liam>ok --- did a reinstall of gcc, gcc-4.1, and g++-4.1 ---- it **SEEMS** as if the pieces are there; i still only have /usr/bin/gcc-4.1; i created a symlink to this called "gcc" and ... well ... now it seems i can build things. but this doesn't seem right .... shouldn't "gcc" (and "g++") already be there?
07:11<CodeBlue>Hi i got my wireless working. next prob. iv installed the latest java in /usr/local/jre1.6.0_02 but when i do java -version it shows me version1.4 how do i add /usr/local/jre1.6.0_02/bin/ to path?
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07:11<moongoose>i wirte a script for my gateway computer and it works, all rules where set. after all i decided to install dhcp3 and it works also fine. my problem is: Even when i flush the rules and set ALL Policys to DROP, the DHCP seems to work. In my opinion this shouldnt appear
07:11<Feisty>hey sweethearts ive got this question: where in ktorrent 2.1 and up is the screen where you can change the priority of files to be downloaded?
07:12<Feisty>or even manipulate which files are going to be downloaded
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07:12<chealer>Feisty: ask #debian-kde or #kde
07:12<Feisty>hey code-blue
07:12<frank>CodeBlue: tell us, why did you install that by hand? and not using the packages
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07:12<Feisty>i know that!
07:12<CodeBlue>i cant find the apt-get package
07:13<lupine_85>CodeBlue: export PATH=/usr/local/jre1.6.0_02:$PATH
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07:13<CodeBlue>i tryed sun-java6-jre
07:13<Feisty>sudo update-alternatives --config jave
07:13<Feisty>sudo update-alternatives --config java
07:13<lupine_85>maybe /usr/local/jre1.6.0_02/bin, I dunno
07:13<Feisty>thats it codeblue
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07:13<chealer>liam: yes (and with g++)
07:13<Feisty>changes the default java to use codeblue
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07:14<frank>CodeBlue: sun-java5-jre
07:14<yangvnc>I have a PPPd problem on my PDA , it connects to the phone and disconnects after 60 seconds, and it never completes -
07:14<CodeBlue>Feisty: There is only 1 program which provides java
07:14<CodeBlue>(/usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1). Nothing to configure.
07:14<yangvnc>i figured out that rfcomm works, but the ppp script doesnt
07:14<lupine_85>Feisty: you right-click on the file in question and select "download first" or "download last"
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07:14<Feisty>lupine_85 thank you very much, which version do you use?
07:14<Feisty>codeblue your install went wrong
07:15<Feisty>if it doesnt show up there
07:15<Feisty>put it in /usr/java for example
07:15<CodeBlue>the install never works for me even in ubuntu but all seems to go fine
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07:15<lupine_85>Feisty: KTorrent: 2.1.4
07:15<Feisty>it works for me though but it was tricky
07:16<frank>CodeBlue: the package i mentioned is in non-free
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07:16<CodeBlue>lupine_85: what file is it i add export PATH=/usr/local/jre1.6.0_02:$PATH to
07:16<lupine_85>well, ~/.bashrc, I guess
07:16<lupine_85>it's a shell command
07:16<liam>so any clue why "gcc" and "'g++" are missing? i installed from the "net install" CD: 1 disc boot then rest came down 'Net; all seemed OK until i started installing some tools that need building .... "make" made it in, but come on!! gcc and g++ missing .... i don't get it ... and i have no confidence that my hack (the symlink) was a smart thing to do
07:17<moongoose>Can any body help me with my iptables/dhcp problem? why does dhcp work, even when allm policys and rules whre set to DROP?
07:17<Feisty>thanks lupine_85, im using 2.2.1, and priority has been removed from that right click menu
07:17<lupine_85>heh. Has it been exported to a plugin that needs enabling?
07:17<jm_>moongoose: when do you set them to drop?
07:18<Feisty>with your version i had the problem of crashing ktorrent through a bug in dht peer finding
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07:18<frank>moongoose: i guess that depends on your rules
07:18<CodeBlue>where is .bashrc ?
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07:18<moongoose>jm_ i wrote a scrip which set all Policys to DROP, before all Chains where Flushed, and even then DHCP works
07:19<leo>in m on debain sid
07:19<leo>and want to install xen
07:19<leo>please help me out
07:19<jm_>moongoose: you didn't answer my question
07:19<Feisty>codeblue its in home
07:19<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default.
07:19<lupine_85>that would be my first guess
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07:20<moongoose>jm_:at first i set them to drop, then i flushe the rules
07:21<moongoose>sry,my writing isnt very good
07:21<frank>moongoose: paste "iptables -vnL" to some paster
07:22<jm_>moongoose: when, i.e. does it get set before networking is configured and so on
07:22<CodeBlue>where can i get "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4'"
07:22<gsimmons>liam: gcc and g++ are no longer installed by default (wrt Etch) due to their priority being lowered from 'standard' to 'optional'. It's the case for other development tools also (install the 'build-essential' package to pull in most of these).
07:22<moongoose>jm_ ah i see, that could be my problem
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07:23<frank>CodeBlue: i advised you using the package ...
07:23<moongoose>jm_ it is started manually whern the computer is started
07:24<CodeBlue>no i used Path it worked fine for me last time but this is for a diffrent problem
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07:24<frank>!tell CodeBlue about search
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07:24<moongoose>im new in this materia and try to get some expirince
07:25<CodeBlue>i did not know that
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07:26<moongoose>frank: nothing 2 paste, it only reports me that all rules whre empty and the default Policy is drop
07:27<CodeBlue>darn couldent find it
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07:28<moongoose>frank: DHCP shouldnt work, or is this a failure in my logic?
07:28<Zooby>how do i get a backup of init from scratch Feisty ?
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07:30<CodeBlue>Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux/drivers/md/dm.h not found. ???
07:30<CodeBlue>how do i fix this
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07:31<frank>moongoose: didn't jm_ already told what the issue is?
07:32<lupine_85>is /usr/src/linux a symlink to the right place?
07:32<frank>CodeBlue: install kernel-headers?
07:32<lupine_85>it's linux-headers these days :)
07:32<moongoose>frank i see, your geman, können wir auf deutsch reden?
07:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
07:33<frank>this channel is english only
07:33<CodeBlue>frank: iv installed kernel headers yesterday
07:33<moongoose>sry im new at irc
07:33<CodeBlue>maby i didnt get the right one?
07:34<CodeBlue>Package kernel-headers is not available, but is referred to by another package.
07:34<frank>CodeBlue: if you wanna compile e.g. some kernel module versions of kernel headers and installed kernel must match
07:35<lupine_85>check where /usr/src/linux is pointing to...
07:35<frank>moongoose: no priv message please
07:36<CodeBlue>linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 is already the newest version.
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07:37<CodeBlue>wow debian is anoying
07:37<ifvoid>not half as annoying as the users
07:37<CodeBlue>hmm i have 4 headers folders
07:38<CodeBlue>in /usr/src
07:38<tslh>ifvoid win!
07:38<CodeBlue>is that ok
07:38<ifvoid>what do you need kernel headers for in the first place?
07:38<CodeBlue>ifvoid ur forgeting to take into account windows users
07:38<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
07:38<CodeBlue>to install truecrypt
07:39<chealer>liam: is g++ installed?
07:39<frank>moongoose: you can e.g. use pre-up dir to start your script
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07:41<Zooby>Does anybody knows how to rescue my system. My /sbin/init is missing .
07:41<moongoose>frank: what do you mean by that? do you mean i have to start the script before other services where start?
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07:42<lupine_85>Zooby: to get a shell in it, add 'init=/bin/bash' to your kernel boootline
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07:42<lupine_85>as for fixing it... well. Depends on how you screwed it up in the first place
07:42<frank>moongoose: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
07:43<frank>or use pre-up in your interfaces file
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07:44<Zooby>i don't know
07:44<Zooby>it's just not here
07:44<Zooby>can i reinstall the kernell ?
07:44<lupine_85>Zooby: it might be as simple a fix as reinstalling sysvinir
07:44<Zooby>how i do that ?
07:45<lupine_85>apt-get install sysvinit sysvinit-utils
07:45<CodeBlue>is there a debian package of truecrypt (not the ubuntu one wont work for me)
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07:45<moongoose>frank: there i have to set the script?
07:45<Zooby>i can't boot
07:45<Zooby>so no apt
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07:45<lupine_85>if you add 'init=/bin/bash' to your kernel bootline, you should be able to
07:45<lupine_85>if not, you've got bigger problems
07:45<frank>moongoose: you can also place a symlink
07:46<Zooby>where do i put init=/bin/bash
07:46<lupine_85>are you using grub?
07:46<Zooby>yes i am
07:46<lupine_85>when it comes up with the list of kernels to boot, press 'e'
07:46<lupine_85>scroll to the line beginning 'kernel', press 'e' again (IIRC)
07:46<lupine_85>go to the end of the line, put it there, hit enter, hit b
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07:47<CodeBlue>is there a page that lists all debian reposotries
07:47<chealer>!tell CodeBlue about mirrors
07:47<lupine_85> ?
07:47<streuner> is for "backports"
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07:48<dpkg>backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport>
07:48<liam>chealer -- yes, it seems g++ is installed
07:49<Zooby>ok lupine_85 i'm trying
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07:53<Zooby>TargetFilesystem doesn't have /bin/bash
07:53<lupine_85>you're pretty screwed then
07:53<lupine_85>load in a live CD and see what's there
07:54<Zooby>what do i search
07:54<tslh>Zooby: have a look in /usr/bin, too
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07:54<lupine_85>A live CD will give you a GUI over and above grub, so you can see what's left on your partition
07:55<Zooby>i try first$
07:55<Zooby>no .?
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07:56<lupine_85>Zooby: what did you do to it, anyway?
07:56<moongoose>frank: ok, i try
07:56<Zooby>to waht ?
07:56<lupine_85>your partition
07:57<Zooby>hmm don't realy know
07:57<moongoose>frank: thx
07:57<Zooby>gdm freezed
07:57<Zooby>i hard reboot
07:57<Zooby>& then problems
07:58<Zooby>usr bin
07:58<Zooby>not working
07:58<lupine_85>well, it won't
07:58<Zooby>i'm switching on knopix
07:58<Zooby>what do i search for ?
07:58<Zooby>damnit what a pain
07:58<lupine_85>just see if there's /anything/ left in your partition
07:59<Zooby>hda1 ?
07:59<lupine_85>if not, you might want to fsck it
07:59<lupine_85>if that's what it is
07:59<lupine_85>if there is stuff in there, find a shell and chroot into it
08:00<Zooby>the partition is ok
08:00<Zooby>everything here
08:00<Zooby>except sbin init
08:01<lupine_85>including /bin/bash ?
08:01<Zooby>knoppix is not booted at the moment
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08:04<Zooby>bash is in bin
08:04<Zooby>but bin is on hda5
08:04<Zooby>not hda1
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08:05<lupine_85>heh. so your partition has switched places ?
08:05<Zooby>i don't know
08:05<lupine_85>try modifying grub so it reads kernel ... root=/dev/hda5
08:06<Zooby>yes but the kernell is on hda1
08:06<lupine_85>(it should already have a root= parameter; just modify it)
08:06<lupine_85>yeah, that doesn't matter
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08:07<Zooby>what do i exactly do ?
08:07<Zooby>& init=/bin/bash
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08:08<Zooby>here we go
08:08<artista_frustrado>I have a dns server resolving a bunch of domains
08:09<artista_frustrado>from the outside network everything works fine
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08:09<Zooby>not working
08:09<artista_frustrado>but form my lan, wich user that dns server to resolv names, all those domains are not resolved
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08:10<artista_frustrado>how can I figure out what is wrong ?
08:10<CodeBlue>can anyone help me fix this:
08:10<CodeBlue>truecrypt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by truecrypt)
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08:10<Zooby>i'm gonna destroy this shit
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08:13<Zooby>lupine_85 i tried root=/dev/hda1 init=/dev/hda5
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08:13<Zooby>it says target filesystem doesn't have /dev/hda(
08:13<Zooby>it says target filesystem doesn't have /dev/hda(
08:13<Zooby>it says target filesystem doesn't have /dev/hda5
08:14<lupine_85>ok. root= tells the kernel which filesystem to mount as /. init= tells the kernel which program to run once it's finished booting
08:14<Zooby>whe have a pb
08:14<schoppenhauer>hello. since the kernel 2.6.18-bla had some problems with the nvidia-driver and ndiswrapper (and alsa and bluetooth and some keys and the screen and ...) anyway, i chose to upgrade the kernel. as i saw already, 2.6.21 seems not to be compatible with the nvidia-driver. so i chose to install the unstable kernel 2.6.22. Now I did so but when now booting the kernel booting stops and the Message "Waiting for root file system" occurs and ...
08:14<schoppenhauer>... nothing is done. The Computer does not crash, it reacts on my types still, but it doesnt do anything. As I read this is a known bug because some SATA-Drivers are not loaded early enough, and should be solved by upgrading udev, uninstalling initramfs-tools and installing yaird. I did so, but still I have the same problem. Any suggestions?
08:14<Zooby>it refuse to boot on hda5
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08:16<njende>G'day ;-)
08:16<lupine_85>schoppenhauer: I used to get that on ubuntu from time to time. I solved it by adding " noapic acpi=off noresume" to the kernel boot line
08:16<lupine_85>no idea why it worked, but it did
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08:17<Zooby>can i mount myself the hda5
08:17<Zooby>when i'm in the initramfs
08:17<schoppenhauer>lupine_85: i read that too somwhere and already tried that. didnt change anything.
08:17<lupine_85>or you could roll your own kernel with the sata drivers built-in
08:18<schoppenhauer>i dont want to compile a kernel myself
08:18<schoppenhauer>(if i wanted i would use gentoo)
08:18<njende>schoppenhauer: but compiling a kernel isn't such a big thing
08:19<schoppenhauer>njende: it is. i tried five times now and never managed it. on *no* computer. not even on a qemu.
08:19<lupine_85>*ouch*, that'd be slow
08:19<njende>schoppenhauer: really...???you must be jokin
08:19<lupine_85>compiling a kernel is easy. getting an optimal configuration is hard
08:20<lupine_85>luckily, debian comes with a pretty good default config. You just modify it as needed
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08:20<schoppenhauer>yes. and if i compile a kernel myself i want to configure it.
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08:21<njende>schoppenhauer: nothing wont stop you to configure your kernel as you need and like
08:21<lupine_85>my first kernel compile was highly amusing
08:21<lupine_85>talk about crippled
08:21<njende>lupine_85: sounds familiar ;-)
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08:21<njende>schoppenhauer: are you german?
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08:21<schoppenhauer>njende: why should i compile a kernel myself even though i know that i wont manage it
08:21<schoppenhauer>njende: yes
08:22<njende>schoppenhauer: there are heaps of easy to understand howtos
08:22<njende>in German
08:22<lupine_85>or you could downgrade your kernel
08:22<njende>or that, true
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08:23<lupine_85>or cleverly modify initrd.img in some devious fashion
08:23<schoppenhauer>njende: i know. i have read many of them. all of them have "mistakes" which dont work. you have to read at least three to get a high *propability* to at least get a running system in the end.
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08:23<njende>schoppenhauer: wow...i hadn't had such probs at all
08:23<schoppenhauer>lupine_85: i didnt even have to downgrade the kernel - i have images of the configuration before i started the upgrade... but as I said, the old kernel didnt work properly anyway.
08:24<tslh>schoppenhauer: there's a pretty good and simply one, but in french
08:24<schoppenhauer>njende: i had them. thats the reason why i do not want to compile my own kernel so far. maybe some day i will try it again but definitely first in a qemu or so.
08:24<njende>schoppenhauer: whats your kernel prob get a picture of what you're trying to do
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08:26<schoppenhauer>njende: i upgraded udev, uninstalled initramfs-tools and installed yaird, and upgraded to 2.6.22. When trying to boot 2.6.22, i get the message "waiting for root file system" and booting stops. i know that this is a known bug and i did what is said to do: upgrade udev and turn from initramfs-tools to yaird. but still have the problem. i am sure i just have forgotten something obvious.
08:26<Aleric>How can I use ssh to create a tcp tunnel?
08:27<jm_>Aleric: ssh -L
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08:29<Zooby>lupine_85 i'm dying
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08:30<Zooby>i just have access to the initramfs
08:30<Zooby>whatever partition i mount
08:32<schoppenhauer>njende: hm. ok. i am lucky today. maybe i try to compile a kernel. i mean... compiling a kernel cannot damage my grub, can it?
08:32<njende>schoppenhauer: sounds like it. But what do you need a 2.6.22
08:33<njende>schoppenhauer: nope it should F*** up your grub ;-)
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08:35<schoppenhauer>njende: 2.6.18 has problems with almost all hardware I have... 2.6.21 /should/ be better for most things but i cannot install nvidia. i wouldnt have any problems running debian unstable... except the kernel. most programs are better and if they dont work they are easy to patch. but i have no idea about the kernel.
08:35<CodeBlue>has anyone here been able to install truecrypt on debian etch
08:35<schoppenhauer>njende: was that serious @grub ?
08:36<njende>schoppenhauer: yep, that was serious...compiling a kernel shouldn't do any bad to your grub
08:36<schoppenhauer>njende: i dont know how it could but... as long as it doesnt harm my partition table and my boot flags and bootloader i can at any time restore my old configuration. (yes, ok, i will have to add a new item to my menu.list at the end, but thats something i do myself)
08:36<schoppenhauer>njende: ok. so it was not serious.
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08:38<njende>schoppenhauer: i wanted to say *shouldn't"
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08:38<njende>however, I've got to go, mate
08:38<schoppenhauer>njende: ok thanks.
08:39<njende>schoppenhauer: no worries... ;-)
08:39<njende>cu next time
08:39<schoppenhauer>njende: i could google but... you said you know some tutorials... can you... recommend any (as long as they are in english or german i am satisfied)
08:39<njende>hopefully with your own kernel
08:40<schoppenhauer>if you dont know at the moment i will just google it
08:40<njende>schoppenhauer: you will find some in the ML-Archive
08:40<sheldonh>is there a util for undeleting files on a fat compact flash disk?
08:40<njende>I haven't got any on hand ringht now, mate
08:40<sheldonh>my partner just wiped out all the photos his wife drove 2 hours out of town to take this morning
08:40<schoppenhauer>njende: ML? whats ML?
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08:40<njende>check the german Mailinglist
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08:41<njende>schoppenhauer: hold on a sec
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08:43<njende>in there you can search for wahtever and I'm sure you'll find a way to get either your nvidia or Kernel prob solved easily
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08:44<njende>hope that helps
08:44<njende>cu, schoppenhauer....
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08:49<runix__>hey :) I have a shell account in a server and I would like to install a Subversion server for my user only. Something like downloading the tgz and configure --prefix /home/runa/. Any hints for doing this with debs?
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08:50<gsimmons>sheldonh: Try either 'foremost', 'magicrescue' or recover <>. The first two are packaged within Debian.
08:51<sheldonh>gsimmons: thanks. i could end up looking like a superhero
08:51<yangvnc>I have a PPPd problem on my PDA , it connects to the phone and disconnects after 60 seconds, and it never completes -
08:51<yangvnc>i figured out that rfcomm works, but the ppp script doesnt
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08:53<sheldonh>tell no lies, write no documentation :)
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09:00<sheldonh>gsimmons: you don't happen to know how to figure out what device node in dev to interact with, given messages like "usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" from the kernel?
09:01<alex__>whats a good text based console bandwidth monitor?
09:01<alex__>im using bwm but its not *enough*
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09:02<sheldonh>alex__: i find a combination of tcpstat, iptraf and trafshow helpful to have knocking about
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09:03<padski>alex__: there are several network 'top' type programs
09:04<alex__>padski, such as?
09:04<padski>alex__: darn it, I knew you'd ask htat ...
09:04<alex__>top style sounds nice :)
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09:05<padski>alex__: top hit on google is ntop
09:05<alex__>ah yeah ive used ntop
09:05<padski>alex__: but actually that seems to be web based :-(
09:05<alex__> yeah
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09:06<theclaw>hi there
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09:07<alex__>hi the-me
09:07<alex__>hi theclaw
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09:10<alex__>padski, hmm i think ill just use stinky ntop agian
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09:10<theclaw>hi alex__
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09:12<padski>alex__: found a few in the debtags browser (highly recommended!) ...
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09:12<alex__>padski, thanks ill check it out
09:12<padski>it lists bmon, bwm-ng, cbm, ethstatus, iftop, jnettop, ntop, pkstat
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09:13<padski>alex__: dunno if any of those are what I'm thinking of, but I'm fairly sure I've used one in debian that seemed really cool, exactly what you'd expect a network top to be :-)
09:13<theclaw>when i have "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" in inittab, i can login as root, but when i have "c0:1235:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty0" i can't - why?
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09:14<theclaw>(i'm running an uml-kernel if that matters)
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09:17<gsimmons>sheldonh: The associated block device details should have been listed after device detection. If it's a USB CF adapter, check if the SCSI subsystem found it (/proc/scsi/scsi).
09:17<padski>alex__: take a look at jnettop
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09:24<allix>hello, i installed ia32-libs on testing which according to the online debian package form includes the file, yet its not there on my system
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09:26<snama>hey whats up?
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09:39<Knight_Lord>If I stop an NFS server umount the partition it's exporting, mount it somewhere else and make a symlink from the original path to that somewhere else and then restart the NFS server, will the hard mounted clients able to continue running fine without programs crashing?
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09:51<Guest10>hello.can anyone give me a link to page where i could download debian live cd from?
09:52<alex__>Knight_Lord, you could try
09:52<alex__>allix, check backports
09:53<Guest10>JasonS: thank you for help.
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10:06<Mixer>server 1999
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10:09<jakub>could you recommend me a good p2p program for debian system?
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10:10<snama>dc++, frostwire
10:10<snama>though frostwire has a slow interface
10:10<snama>its based one java
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10:15<snama>debian is so good
10:15<snama>i downloaded the xfce cd1 and i got everything the way i like it
10:15<snama>its simple and fast
10:15<snama>stable too
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10:17<jakub>snama:but what path i must add to my /etc/apt/sources.list file ?
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10:18<fireinice>does somebody here use fvwm ?
10:18<MoDaX>jakub: depends on the network you want to use
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10:19<jakub>MoDaX: i really don't know:) what are you talking about:)
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10:20<MoDaX>jakub: p2p network. emule/ed2k, torrent, dc++ etc?
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10:21<jakub>p2p i think
10:21<jakub>or i don't know:)
10:21<jakub>i want to download music
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10:24<MoDaX>jakub: then probably you want amule or mldonkey (ed2k network), linuxdcpp (dc++ network). for bitorrent, apt-cache search torrent
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10:27<jakub>MoDaX: ok thanks
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10:30<wouterl>a small java question, i declared $CLASSPATH inside my console, but i can't seem to run anything under that directory in java (so CLASSPATH=~/bin/java, while the package is in ~/bin/java/, i can't run java Ocl.OclParserApp)
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10:31<Hispano>ahi alguien aqui?
10:31<stew>wouterl: if the package is in ~/bin/java/ you need to have ~/bin/java/ in your classpath, not ~/bin/java
10:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:31<Hispano>ok sorry
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10:35<wouterl>still doesn't work,more info: inside, there is the dir ocl and beneath that dir is OclParserApp
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10:35<jakub>if it is about amule, i run it first time and why i can not connect to the network?
10:35<stew>wouterl: what happens when you run "java -cp ~/bin/java/ ocl.OclParserApp" ?
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10:37<wouterl>i found my error
10:37<wouterl>Ocl needed to be ocl
10:37<wouterl>quite stupid of me
10:37<wouterl>thanks !
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10:42<jakub>don't say that:)
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10:54<StCyr>Can anyone explain me the difference between i386, i486, i586,.. ?
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11:06<StCyr>thanks suiside
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11:07<StCyr>suiside: I'm upgrading my etch and aptitude decided upgrade my package "linux-image-2-486" to "linux-image-2686"
11:08<ranix>StCyr: do you have a pentium 2 or better?
11:09<StCyr>I guess :-/
11:09<snama>you should know that man
11:09<ranix>then you should be using linux-image-2.6.18-686
11:09<snama>is your pc fast?
11:09<snama>if its fast its probably p2 or higher
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11:10<ranix>snama: a wise man once didn't say anything because he didn't know what he was talking about
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11:11<ranix>or not talking about, as was the case at the time
11:11<StCyr>ranix: Yes, I've just double checked and saw that linux-image-2.6.18-686 was appliable finaly.
11:12<ranix>StCyr: yep, you should be fine
11:12<StCyr>I was afraid of bug #424861 but finaly it seems to be a false alert
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11:13<StCyr>ranix: at first, I didn't note it applied to sid :)
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11:14<fxiny>ranix: so , is your bootsplash splashing today , or what ?
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11:17<ranix>fxiny: I gave up. The closest I got to a boot splash was a bad horizontal refresh rate in the framebuffer
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11:20<fxiny>ranix: ok , off goes from my todo list .
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11:22<ranix>I'll spend my time doing more constructive things
11:22<fxiny>ranix: nbd-server/client gets the slot :)
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11:23<fxiny>ranix: i should not check debian-admin to have some rest :)
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11:25<fxiny>or my gmail box :)
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11:33<MaddySon>any who could explain me this:
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11:33<MaddySon>my system goes freeze, meaning no inet or network connection to debian possible anymore
11:34<MaddySon>solution is shutdown box and restart then it works for couple off hours sometimes day's
11:34<MaddySon>then whole thing starts over again
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11:34<MaddySon>syslog no error but i saw this inside the deamon.log
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11:35<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:19:53 multi dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to port 67
11:35<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:20:07 multi dhclient: parse_option_buffer: option log-servers (4) larger than buffer.
11:35<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:20:12 multi dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to port 67
11:35<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:20:53 multi last message repeated 3 times
11:35<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:21:57 multi last message repeated 4 times
11:35<MaddySon>and so goes the entire log file :(
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11:36<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:25:06 multi dhclient: parse_option_buffer: option log-servers (4) larger than buffer.
11:36<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:25:27 multi dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to port 67
11:36<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:25:52 multi last message repeated 2 times
11:36<MaddySon>Aug 3 00:26:58 multi last message repeated 5 times
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11:38<cyorxamp>Hi folks, two slightly urgent but simple Q's ;P I'm using the XFCE disk but its still GDM - how can I get it to allow root to logon graphically... also whats easiest way of letting it know it can do higher resolutions and actually use them
11:39<cyorxamp>Thanks in advance!
11:39<JasonS>cyorxamp: you shouldnt be logging on as root to x
11:39<cyorxamp>Tough! I need/want to
11:40<cyorxamp>I need to run something as a service, so I prefer it as root- but it needs graphical X for some odd reason - even tho its command line
11:40<cyorxamp>Can't get around it sorry!
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11:41<fxiny>use gksu
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11:41<themill>or sux
11:41<cyorxamp>fxiny, I suppose, but then theres the issue I'll be doing this over VNC
11:41<cyorxamp>And VNC will display whatever root screen displays
11:42<cyorxamp>I know theres a way of letting it let me log in as root!, I just can't remember how - please tell me
11:42<cyorxamp>I can wrestle with the morality of it later
11:42[~]JasonS curious who wrote an app that has to run as root in x :)
11:43<themill>JasonS: galternatives is one that I can think of
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11:43<themill>you could ssh onto the box forwarding X and then use sux.
11:43<cyorxamp>I already use NX
11:43<cyorxamp>but it needs a _real_ display that has GLX
11:44<cyorxamp>Come on folks, it was a simple question
11:44<cyorxamp>Why are we going through these motions
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11:46<cyorxamp>All I asked was to let me log in as root on X
11:46<twix>hello, how can i launch a programm in an other desktop as the current working?
11:46<twix>..from konsole
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11:47<themill>cyorxamp: /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf I believe. Be it on *your* head.
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11:47<cyorxamp>the-me, My head is so heavy
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11:48<cyorxamp>done :D
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11:49<twix>is it not possible?
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11:51<themill>twix: there is a dcop call that you can use for that, I think.
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12:06<zero_>tem alguem ai?
12:07<twix>themill, thanks it works ;)
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12:07<zero_>how can i see user list?
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12:09<zero_>twix, where are u fromm?
12:10<zero_>i need some help with debian
12:10<azeem>zero_: just ask your question
12:10<zero_>install now a version 3.0
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12:11<azeem>and somebody might know
12:11<fxiny>3.0 ?
12:11<zero_>i think..
12:12<zero_>i want a software to edit php / html / homepages
12:13<zero_>do u have names?
12:13<zero_>i speak fromm Brazil..
12:14<grochap>zero_, you can try bluefish, quanta, nvu, and a lot more....
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12:14<zero_>in pt_br do u think something?
12:15<grochap>zero_, if you need to put your hands in code, use bluefish, emacs or vim
12:15<paul-jambi>what package is iwconfig and ifconfig, and how do i find out which linux-headers to install?
12:15<zero_>i search for bluefish
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12:16<grochap>zero_, if you want a WYSIWYG (argh) you can try nvu or quanta
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12:17<zero_>is bluefish complet?
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12:18<grochap>zero_, you can answer this question ;)
12:18<zero_>with sql / css e a nice help?
12:18<zero_>i down bluefish
12:18<grochap>zero_, google provides a nice help
12:19<zero_>grochap, were are u speak?
12:19<grochap>zero_, same place of you
12:20<grochap>with 'S' please
12:20<zero_>vamos falar em portugues entao
12:20<JasonS>brazils? ;)
12:20<twix>paul-jambi, i think net-tools
12:20<zero_>Brasil - penta campeão mundial
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12:21<zero_>grochap, tu ja uso o nfts sg3?
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12:22<zero_>eu montei ele aqui e não consigo viasualiar o diretorio do windows
12:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:22<grochap>noflash, tks
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12:22<noflash>zero_, channel policy is english in here
12:23<zero_>my apologies
12:24<zero_>i want a soft like adobe dreanwave..
12:25<zero_>with every tools and sources
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12:32<paul-jambi>net-tools installed iwconfig still not found?
12:33<azeem>iwconfig is in wireless-tools, I believe
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12:34<paul-jambi>thanks i had been trying network-tools
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12:36<paul-jambi>how do i find out which headers to install, i know theres a link dir someware that tells me but i cant remember
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12:44<themill>!tell paul-jambi about search
12:45<paul-jambi>that dosnt tell me which headers i need
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12:55<paul-jambi>im installing rt61 drivers i have allready done make but where do i copy the r61.ko to (if needed) and how do i load the module?
12:55<paul-jambi>in debian etch
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12:56<jest>I've just installed Opera on an Etch box, and am having trouble getting mplayer to work in it. I have mplayer plugin installed, and in the plug-in area, Opera reports that it's there. But going to an mpeg video, I just get a gray screen. This works fine in Firefox.
12:56<jest>Is there something specific I need to do? Google had no obvious suggestions.
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12:58<Maulkin>jest: you're best off checking with the opera guys
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13:00<jest>Maulkin: OK, will do, thanks.
13:01<fxiny>opera works fine here
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13:02<paul-jambi>how is it i list hardware interfaces
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13:04<Maulkin>paul-jambi: what sort?
13:05<paul-jambi>like network interfaces, cdrom ect my wlan device is not in iwconfig but did show up on another command that i cant remember
13:06<paul-jambi>thats it
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13:07<paul-jambi>can anyone tell me how i load my rt61 module
13:09<Maulkin>paul-jambi: Did you compile it yourself?
13:09<azeem>hrm, how can I easily filter out every second line from stdin?
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13:10<Maulkin>azeem: awk should be able to do that
13:10<azeem>I knew that was coming
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13:10<Berge>sed as well.
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13:11<Berge>"sed -n 1~2p" will return every odd-numbered line.
13:11<Berge>Or even.
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13:11<tcsetattr>awk 'NR%2'
13:11<Berge>Had to check now (-:
13:12<tcsetattr>actually, % isn't a shell metacharacter, so... awk NR%2 -- 8 characters, beat that
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13:13<nslater>Is this a good place to ask debian mentor questions or is there a specific channel for that?
13:13<nslater>Thanks, heh.
13:13<Maulkin>np ;)
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13:14<Berge>tcsetattr: You win (-: But perhaps sed uses less CPU?
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13:17<stew>'sed 1~2d' for the even number lines (and still only 8 chars) :)
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14:05<ranix>I am user ranix, and I own a script I need to execute with user:group permissions set to www-data:www-data so that files it creates are the correct owners. I am a member of www-data. How do I do it?
14:06<ranix>oh, nevermind
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14:06<stew>ranix: setup sudo to allow your user to run sudo -u www-data
14:06<stew>err sudo -u www-data
14:07<ranix>I logged in as root, gave www-data a password with passwd www-data, then was able to su into www-data
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14:08<dkr>you don't need to assign a password to an account in order to su to it or run a command as that user
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14:09<ranix>I was unable to before assigning a password though
14:09<stew>dkr: not with sudo
14:09<kop>dkr : Good point. The way in is via becoming root and then using su.
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14:11<Golfgeo>Hi all
14:11<alaya>wow i had no idea that mozilla-plugin-vlc could deal with windows media sites. anyone know of any good windows media sites to test?
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14:13<kop>Anyone know if xen 3.2 will work with a SiS 74/741GX/M741 pci host bridge? xen 3.1 (etch) gets me no pci support. :(
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14:16<alaya>i have up on xen
14:16<alaya>gave up
14:16<kop>alaya : Why?
14:16<alaya>maybe when its merged into the kernel it will finally be more compatible with more hw
14:17<alaya>i have never gotten it to run on any of the hw configs that i ever tried it on
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14:17<kop>alaya : You'd hope. At least it does not require hardware VM support.
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14:17<alaya>and kvm and vmware are both good alternates
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14:19<alaya>well, kvm is good if you have hw vm support
14:19<alaya>otherwise vmware is good
14:19<alaya>i actually really like kvm on a hw supported platform. its simple and fast.
14:19<kop>alaya : I don't have the hardware for kvm and I'm leery of vmware, because you never know when they'll change their policies and I'll have to start forking over dough. But I hear vmware is nice.
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14:19<alaya>yeah it sucks that its not free
14:20<alaya>but i have to say it works really well
14:21<alaya>if you're in some enterprise situation, its definitely worth the small amount of money to get a license
14:21<kop>I'm downloading xen 3.2 from the xensource site, but I don't know just what I'm getting. I'm hoping for a live cd to try it out.
14:21<alaya>i think knoppix or some knoppix derivatives have xen on them
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14:27<kop>Humm. All the debian xen release seem to be 3.0.x, but the xensource site talks about a 3.2 release (as well as a 3.1 release). I wonder whether debian is slow on the uptake or xensource is slow on the release, or what?
14:29<alaya>or maybe the newer ones are considered too unstable or too brittle to work with debian kernels
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14:31<alaya>i'd check the debian xen mailing list archives and see what's going on
14:31<kop>alaya: good thought
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14:39<kop>alaya : I don't see a specific debian-xen mailing list. The debain-devel list does not seem to have much xen traffic.
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14:40<fgh>is there i a way to change Hz when using framebuffer console?
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14:41<nslater>In my sudoers file I have "nslater ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/cowbuilder" but running sudo cowbuilder still requires my password... any reason why?
14:42<kop>fgh: There could be a kernel boot parameter. See the linux-doc package in the Documentation directory there's a kernel_parameters.txt file. (IIRC)
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14:43<zaikxtox>hello. when i do netstat -antp i get some weird ipv6 lines with truncated info:
14:43<zaikxtox>tcp6 1 1 ::ffff: ::ffff:124.227.23:42300 LAST_ACK -
14:44<zaikxtox>is there some ipv6 compatible netstat ? or could y better tell linux not to use ipv6?
14:45<fgh>kop: so i cant change res. when system's running?
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14:47<dondelelcaro>fgh: fbset is the way you set it once you're running
14:47<dondelelcaro>(but I almost never run a framebuffer, so)
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14:49<Golfgeo>I've been looking into VPN solutions and like the fill meshed option of tinc. But are there other daemons under Linux for full meshed vpn's?
14:50<Golfgeo>*fill = full
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14:54<tcsetattr>fgh, look at the fbset command
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14:58<tcsetattr>even better: can we just drop the "truncate to fit" code from netstat? truncating sucks infinitely more than overflowing the pretty columns.
14:58<fgh>i have set resolution to 1024x768 in lilo.conf and it works fine but i want to change Hz as well..
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14:59<tcsetattr>anybody else want to tell fgh to use fbset? he's not hearing it
15:01<fgh>tcsetattr: i cant figure out how it works. nothing happens when im running it.
15:02<tcsetattr>try reading the man page?
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15:03<tcsetattr>and then did you look in the fb.modes file?
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15:04<fgh>~# fbset -v -fb /dev/fb0 640x480-60
15:04<fgh>Using video mode `640x480-60'
15:04<fgh>Setting video mode to `/dev/fb0'
15:05<fgh>but nothing realy happens..
15:05<tcsetattr>640x480-60 is the default. you were probably already in that mode, or something very close to it.
15:06<tcsetattr>if you try 640x480-75 there should be a change, though it may not be extremely noticeable
15:06<fgh>no, im in 1024x768 wich ive set from within /etc/lilo.conf
15:07<tcsetattr>I never heard of anybody using lilo mode-setting and fbcon together
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15:08<tcsetattr>are you sure you're actually in fbcon and not vgacon?
15:09<fgh>no :)
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15:09<tcsetattr>did you get the Tux logo on boot?
15:10<xero9364>Tux kix ass.
15:11<tcsetattr>if you do a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/fb0 bs=1024 count=1024" does it paint a bunch of random pixels on the screen?
15:11<mjk>How can I easily check by software that my Athlon64 supports Hardware Virtual Machine (Pacifica)?
15:12<fgh>tcsetattr: yes.
15:12<mjk>I tried "cat /proc/cpuinfo", but nothing reads "Pacifica" there, and I don't know all that acronyms.
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15:13<tcsetattr>isn't Pacifica a radio network?
15:13<mjk>tcsetattr: Dunno, at least it's some hardware virtualization stuff in some AMD processors.
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15:13<stew>mjk: look for svm or vmx in the flags line
15:14<xero9364>tcsetattr: That works for me (the dd)
15:14<tcsetattr>fgh, at least that proves /dev/fb0 is active... I don't know why fbset would fail to change it then.
15:14<WorJu>im alone?
15:14<fgh>tcsetattr: maybe i should remove the line from lilo.conf
15:14<xero9364>Mine takes count=2048 to fill up the whole screen, tcsetattr
15:15<WorJu>hello everybody!!!
15:15<nslater>HELLO WorJu!!!oneoneone
15:15<mjk>stew: Hooray, both cores have "svm"!
15:15<mjk>stew: But no "vmx", is that bad?
15:15<tcsetattr>fgh, strace -e ioctl fbset 640x480-60
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15:16<stew>mjk: no, one is for intel and one is for amd
15:16<WorJu>i want know, how i can change my permision on debian because, when i mount my "winHD"
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15:16<WorJu>i dont have acces
15:16<mjk>stew: Ah, now I see, thanks!
15:17<WorJu>hello NSLATER!!
15:18<tcsetattr>I killed him
15:19<WorJu>how i can change my permission
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15:21<fgh>tcsetattr: i can change resolution with fbset now when i removed the line in lilo.conf
15:21<fgh>still no tux at boottime though :(
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15:21<xero9364>WorJu: What is your Windows HD
15:21<xero9364> /dev/hdxx
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15:22<xero9364>What is the /dev
15:22<xero9364>That's usually swap.
15:23<xero9364>Try mounting /dev/hda2 somewhere
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15:23<WorJu>xero9364, i have mounted
15:24<xero9364>type "mount" without the quotes
15:24<xero9364>Tell me what's on the list in #Flood
15:24<xero9364>join #flood
15:24<xero9364>I'm not sure the dpkg bot will like it if you flood in here.
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15:26<xero9364>What does mount tell you?
15:26<WorJu>i have mounted
15:26<xero9364>Please tell me the output of mount
15:27<WorJu>when i want see any file specially .mp3 i dont have permition
15:27<xero9364>Please tell me the output of mount.
15:27<xero9364>Also, try this
15:27<xero9364>(As root) chmod 777 /dev/hda*
15:27<WorJu>ok, tell me
15:28<xero9364>That's not too safe, but it's a quick fix.
15:29<xero9364>(opinion alert) I don't like dual boot too much. Try virtual machines if this doesn't work out well for you.
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15:30<WorJu>ok, but.. what i done? when put "chmod 777 ..."
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15:30<xero9364>That's set permissions to read/write/execute for every user on the system.
15:30<xero9364>If you're the only user on the Linux partition, no big deal
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15:31<chuy>does HDDs have to be umounted before you do a dd on them? and why?
15:31<xero9364>WorJu: If you need any more help, tell me.
15:32<tcsetattr>when a filesystem is mounted, the fs code assumes that nothing else will be modifying the device. if you break that assumption, you can cause all kinds of disaster
15:32<xero9364>I'm not any good with advanced stuff, though.
15:32<WorJu>ok, I already did it
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15:32<WorJu>and i have the same
15:32<xero9364>Do you have permissions to your files now?
15:33<xero9364>Were you logged on as root when typing that?
15:33<WorJu>he tell me: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "winxp2".
15:33<chuy>tcsetattr, hmm, I did dd on my ipod to not use windows to restore it, it was recently restored and it took 5 minutes before I stoped the command, the output was a 7 GB file, when the ipod space used was like 30 MB
15:33<WorJu>yes.. i wrote as root
15:34<xero9364>try chmod 777 /winxp2 (if that's where your mount is)
15:34<WorJu>let me try
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15:35<Maulkin>don't do any of that.
15:35<xero9364>I told you i'm not good.
15:35<Maulkin>man fstab and look at the uid and gid options
15:35<xero9364>Let me try to help.
15:35<tcsetattr>chuy, if you copy the device you get everything, including the "unused" space.
15:35<xero9364>Thanks jackass. I'm not wanted here so I'll just leave.
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15:36<chuy>tcsetattr, even if its not mounted?
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15:36<Maulkin>Correct, you're not wanted here if you give BAD information.
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15:36<WorJu>xero9364 it gone?????
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15:38<fgh>tcsetattr how come ive got no tux when booting? :(
15:38<WorJu>where i can get help whit the permissions of debian
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15:38<sport>okay im not sure what i did. i installed xorg then blackbox.I ran blackbox via startx it worked fine i shutdown w/ ctr alt backspace. tried to restart and got a black screen.
15:39<sport>:this is on ubuntu server
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15:39<EmleyMoor>I am running gbuffy remotely and the counts are not clearing after reading mail - why would that be?
15:40<EmleyMoor>Also, I want to run ekiga, but I need help getting round NAT
15:40<EmleyMoor>I am not sure that it is possible
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15:42<EmleyMoor>I get a timeout trying to register to my asterisk box at home from here
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15:42<tcsetattr>fgh, CONFIG_LOGO=n maybe? who cares, it's stupid anyway
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15:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... reading up, there's no simple cure for that... better off with IAX phones in circumstances like these
15:49<EmleyMoor>Still, surprised at gbuffy - it works but the counts do not update here
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15:54<Guest26>alguna chiquilla por ahi??
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15:55<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:01<Atlantis>hey guys i'm having some problems with azureus
16:01<Atlantis>i download the new patch for it and it installs it
16:01<Atlantis>but then it can't restart because of a missing plugin
16:01<Atlantis>that means that the install of the patch never gets completed
16:02<Atlantis>it says, "can't install without the "azupdater" plugin installed
16:03<Atlantis>*"can't restart
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16:15<oddtod>is it safe to fdisk the drive your booting from and edit the partitions after the one your OS is on while booted in said OS?
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16:19<EmleyMoor>oddtod: As long as you don't disturb partitions being used, it should be. However, "always have a backup" is a good idea
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16:19<oddtod>yeah i got you ont he back up reinstall HAHAH
16:20<oddtod>but with fdisk is there any way while creating a new partition to go by megs instead of block count>?
16:20<oddtod>because BC messes with my head
16:20<EmleyMoor>FWIW I have fdisked on a running disk
16:21<Maulkin>oddtod: try cfdisk
16:21<oddtod>thanks i'll try it out
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16:24<oddtod>hey guys i have three paritions on my drive /dev/sda1(ubuntu) /dev/sda2(swap space) /dev/sda3(blank) /dev/sda4 (also blank) is there any way i can install windows on /dev/sda3 NOW and still hae debian work and use grub as my boot loader
16:24<oddtod>ppl told me i have to install xp like normal ont hat drive
16:24<oddtod>then reinstall grub
16:25<EmleyMoor>oddtod: I have never installed Windows after Linux
16:25<oddtod>yeah i know its a bad idea HHAA
16:25<oddtod>but i really don't want to have to reformat
16:26<oddtod>i kinda like my current OS and stuff
16:26<oddtod>got it where i want it
16:26<oddtod>i'll try it like the ppl said and tell ya how it works out emley
16:31<ranix>I need windows for video games
16:31<ranix>as in, that's the only reason I use it ever
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16:36<oddtod>yeah i use windows for recording guitar
16:36<oddtod>my unit isn't supported by nix
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17:05<oddtod>hey guys i'm trying to move a /dev/sda1(my OS partition) to another parition on the drive
17:05<oddtod>how would i go about doing this?
17:06<ranix>dd if=/dev/sda1 of=foo
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17:08<tcsetattr>moving a partition can also be done with parted
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17:11<oddtod>parted how would the command look like for that?
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17:16<mbraun>hi, i'm thinking about contributing a java software, it depends on some dependencies which i did not found so far at the debian repository, is anybody from the maintainers over here?
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17:16<stoned>mbraun: best way is to contact them through email as they may or may not be on irc
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17:17<mbraun>jep, i'll try that way :)
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17:17<stoned>mbraun: have you read the debian maintainers guide
17:17<stoned>and debian policy?
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17:17<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
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17:17<dpkg>policy is probably available at - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly.
17:17<mbraun>it's just at the very first planing stage
17:17<mbraun>but i'll read it, thanks for the information
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17:27<noobasaur>here goes nothing ... I'm gonna try install vserver on etch .. wish me luck ;-)
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17:34<zero_>hello, i lost my sistray, how can i put in control painel again?
17:36<WorJu>there is any one to know how i can instal the gcc compiler????
17:37<Berge>WorJu: Install the package build-essential
17:37<Berge>WorJu: It depends on, well, essential packages for building stuff, including gcc.
17:37<WorJu>i will do
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17:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:47<WorJu>Berge, now i have the gcc, do you know how configure the program?
17:47<ifvoid>WorJu: just add the options
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17:48<WorJu>how? ifvoid
17:48<Berge>WorJu: What do you mean by configure?
17:48<ifvoid>WorJu: listen
17:48<ifvoid>WorJu: your question isn't very clear
17:48<ifvoid>WorJu: which program?
17:48<ifvoid>configure how?
17:49<ifvoid>please remeber that we can't watch over your shoulder
17:49<WorJu>well... im traying install my onw apache server
17:49<ifvoid>you'll have to tell us what you are trying to do
17:49<WorJu>but i need this compile
17:49<ifvoid>apt-get install apache2
17:49<ifvoid>and voila
17:49<Berge>WorJu: You don't need a compiler for that.
17:50<Berge>just the the command you mentioned.
17:50<WorJu>what command?
17:50<Berge>Sorry, what ifvoid mentioned.
17:50<Berge>apt-get install apache2
17:50<Berge>(Or aptitude install apache2)
17:50<WorJu>forgiveme every body but im new in this wolrd
17:51<ifvoid>no problem
17:52<WorJu>Berge "apt-get install apache2" whats minds?.. i write this in my terminal?
17:52<Berge>WorJu: Yep.
17:52<Berge>WorJu: You need to do it as root, though.
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17:53<Berge>Prepend with "sudo" or become root first.
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17:56<ifvoid>WorJu: or use synaptic
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17:56<ifvoid>WorJu: in the menu somewhere
17:57<WorJu>ok i do it
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17:58<WorJu>ifvoid i used synaptic, because the apt-get not work
17:59<WorJu>now i have instaled the apache
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18:04<sport> okay im not sure what i did. i installed xorg then blackbox.I ran blackbox via startx it worked fine but when i exit .and try to xstart again i get a black screen and when i ctl alt bkspace out i see errors like "could not init font path element" and " error opening /dev/input/wacom: success":this is on ubuntu server
18:06<tcsetattr>this is not #ubuntu
18:07<dondelelcaro>sport: #ubuntu on is the place to ask
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18:08<gravity>That's not a debian bug I've seen
18:10<sport>dondelelcaro: so far they just ignore me
18:10<dondelelcaro>sport: they may not know; try their forums then.
18:10<streuner>well, they might dunno about
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18:11<streuner>we dunno too...
18:12<sport>well can you gusy suggest a better window manager that also small like blackbox
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18:13<dondelelcaro>fluxbox, openbox, ion3, wmii, ratpoison, ....
18:13<streuner>fluxbox and openbox are based on blackbox, some people say fluxbox is well configured and easy to use
18:14<streuner>alternatively wmaker, its a fine WM in Debian and well configured
18:15<sport>im almost thinking about not using a window manager but im so bad at bash
18:15<oddtod>hey guys i just did a copy of my OS from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda3 now i want to install windows on /dev/sda1. after i do that i need to then boot in with a live cd and install grub correct?
18:15<dondelelcaro>oddtod: and fix your fstab, yes.
18:16<oddtod>i know this is a debian chat room and this will prlly get me no help but i am using ubuntu that doesn't effect anything correct(just making sure)
18:16<lupine_85>oddtod: yes
18:17<oddtod>one last question guys the swap area is BEFORE the /dev/sda3 its /dev/sda2 does this effect operation at all?
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18:18<oddtod>sorry to ask so many questions i've just never really delt with moving partitions like this and i don't want to screw things up
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18:19<tcsetattr>the order of partitions doesn't matter. (except for possibly some tiny speed benefit for having the most frequently used partition near the middle of the disk)
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18:19<oddtod>thanks guys for all your help crossing fingers i don't F my lappy up
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18:20<Berge>oddtod: It's always a good idea to have backups, though.
18:21<sport>is there a alternatice to xorg?
18:21<amphi>scottDkoDer: scottDkoDer ( is in #vbox #ubuntu-effects #compiz-fusion ##c++ ##c #beryl #ubuntu
18:21<amphi>ECHAN, sorry
18:23<Berge>sport: There's always XFree86.
18:23<Berge>sport: And there's a few commercial alternatives.
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18:24<streuner>nobody wants that
18:24<streuner>(commerical alternatives)
18:24<Berge>No, by all means (-:
18:24<Berge>But they do exist.
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18:25<streuner>sport: not really
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18:26<streuner>xorg has the development in free/open source
18:26<fhd>hi, got a problem. I'm using kde, and gtk1 apps really use some theme to adopt the look of qt. however, gtk2 doesn't. is there any way to easily "clone" my qt theme to gtk2 apps?
18:26<Berge>sport: That's X alternatives, though. If you're thinking about X replacements, that's another story.
18:27<sport>Berge: how are their replacements ?
18:27<inonooby>kde is not so good i think
18:27<kop>tcsetattr : (In theory, the fastest partitions for bulk data transfer are on the outside edge of of the disk, because there's less head movement.)
18:27<gravity>Heh, directfb
18:27<Berge>sport: None are anywhere close.
18:27<inonooby>kde take a long time to start up
18:27<Berge>sport: There was the Y Window System at one point.
18:27[~]gravity chuckles in xfree86's direction
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18:28<sport>Berge: i feel like im ordering cheese in a Monty python skit
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18:28<Berge>sport: Heh, sorry..
18:28<gravity>sport: You could always just help make xorg not suck
18:28<gravity>It's gotten better and better over the past few years
18:29<Berge>In practice, there are no alternatives to X (and xorg, in free software).
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18:29<Berge>There have traditionally been a number of complains towards X, most of them about speed.
18:29<sport>gravity: i would if i could. but i hardly am able to do CLI
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18:30<gravity>sport: Is there a specific problem with it for you?
18:30<sport>berge id settle for it working
18:30<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or
18:30<Berge>sport: Then all you need is probably a friendly window manager to run on top of X.
18:30<gravity>Oh right. This is the ubuntu server guy.
18:30<Berge>gravity: Hm?
18:30<gravity>sport: Use a distro that didn't break their X
18:31<sport>gravity lead me of great leader
18:31<sport>oh not of*
18:32<kop>Where can I find a list of xen hypervisor boot parameters. It must use the linux kernel boot parameters, but which ones? I can't find documentation anywhere. *urg*
18:32<gravity>sport: I don't know what patches ubuntu is carrying for you, but I've never heard of your bug in Debian
18:32<gravity>sport: And I read all the Debian Xorg bugs
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18:32<sport>gravity im sure it something i did
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18:33<gravity>sport: You should *really* get help in #ubuntu
18:33<gravity>sport: They know your distro. We don't.
18:33<sport>ubuntu runs on debian...
18:33<gravity>sport: They modify it in their own ways.
18:33<gravity>sport: So they have different bugs.
18:33<gravity>sport: So go to them for help.
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18:35[~]kop is going to poke the xen hypervisor with a stick
18:36<noobasaur>Berge: I assume your earlier comment about YWM means you also recall VTWm ? ;-)
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18:36<Berge>noobasaur: I'm afraid I don't..
18:37<noobasaur>Berge: ah_ no matter ..
18:37<Berge>Or, hm, Virtual WM or something?
18:38<noobasaur>linux VT window manager
18:39<noobasaur>opps... *blush* wrong window.
18:40<noobasaur>Berge: virtual tab window manager ... ( I'd forgotten what VT stood for) ..
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18:40<Berge>noobasaur: Ah. Never got around to that one.
18:41<Berge>Was it any good? (-:
18:41<noobasaur>ouch no. used for a day and gave up.
18:41<tcsetattr>related to tvtwm?
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18:42<noobasaur>an extension of twm I believe....
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18:44<noobasaur>I just clicked .. sport might be thinking "gravity sucks" ...
18:44<gravity>I have an interest in not fixing bugs that aren't Debian's or Xorg's
18:44<gravity>Suck or no
18:45<noobasaur>Oh I agree .. no offense intended I simply found the pun amusing ( even if not exactly original) :-)
18:46<gravity>Yeah, I figured. I just wanted to explain why I wasn't really helping.
18:47<noobasaur>I got it. I guess the other side of the coin is a bad sport ;-)
18:47<EmleyMoor>Why would I be able to have gbuffy running on a remote machine some distance away but the figures for the boxes are not updating? I can still get things to work by clicking on it
18:47<gravity>ba-dum tsh
18:47<gravity>peterS: noobasaur is giving you a pun for your money
18:48<noobasaur>yeah ... I need sleep :-0
18:48<noobasaur>night all.
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18:48<Berge>noflash: Good idea. Gnight (-:
18:48<Berge>noflash: s/noflash/noobasaur/
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18:49<peterS>tcsetattr: vtwm and tvtwm were two implementations of the same concept. two forks of twm
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18:50<peterS>well, I say 'were', but vtwm is still in debian
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18:50<kop>What's the right way to put comments in /boot/grub/menu.1st between the automagic kernel options markers? I use ## and the comment just goes away after running update-grub.
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18:50<peterS>kop: I don't think you can put comments there
18:51<kop>peterS : Lameosity. That's a big feature of config files. :(
18:51<bernardo>Did anyone installed the vmware player on debian ?
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18:51<peterS>kop: what do you think, should menu.lst just go XML and be done with it?
18:52<kop>peterS : I'm conflicted. xml is so verbose, and persnickity.
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18:52<peterS>kop: hey, it was a joke. that file has to be read by a process running in real mode before the OS boots. best not to add an xml parser to that.
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18:53<klys>the world needs a real mode c compiler
18:54<klys>something that will link
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18:54<peterS>klys: gcc supports ms-dos, if that's what you mean
18:54<peterS>and as for linking, binutils has a 16-bit mode
18:54<klys>peterS: I know. emx-gcc is probably the best bet for using VCPI to run anything in real mode
18:55<peterS>I thought emx was protected mode. hmmm.
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18:55<klys>of course, everyone agrees that VCPI is completely incompatible with a stable linux installation
18:55<peterS>or is it v86 under protected mode?
18:55<bernardo>Does anyone knows a (working one) machine virtualizer software?
18:56<klys>it's protected mode I think. there isn't a good way to use it with dosemu or anything
18:56<klys>there's bochs
18:56<kop>klys : Lord, not vcpi again.
18:57<klys>it's my favorite future project
18:57<klys>jut fix up fdxms.sys to include vcpi support
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18:58<klys>I don't think bochs could handle flat real mode though
18:58<klys>so, best way to use real mode is still dos
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19:00<peterS>klys: I thought the point of v86 mode is that apps generally can't tell it apart from real mode
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19:02<klys>I'm not generally in favor of the point mentioned for v86 mode
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19:03<peterS>well, what do I know, I haven't touched anything 16-bit with a compiler or an assembler in quite a long time
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19:05<klys>pretty soon 32-bit will be deprecated at intel
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19:06<peterS>klys: good luck with that, Intel, your userbase isn't gonna be pure 64 for years and years
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19:06<noobasaur>does the installation of linux-image-vserver-686 kernel 'break' networking on a host or does it adhere to the debian policy of leaving local configs alone?
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19:08<noobasaur>I used apt-get install linux-image-vserver-686 on a Debian Etch box over a screen/ssh session.
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19:08<noobasaur>now I can't ping the box or ssh / telnet to it.
19:08<noobasaur>this is after rebooting immediately after the apt-get
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19:09<sport>noobasaur what happened to your sleep?
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19:09<peterS>noobasaur: not that it's any comfort to you now, but I wouldn't ever recommend upgrading to a different type of kernel without local access to the boot console
19:09<noobasaur>no sleep for the stupid I guess *grin*
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19:10<noobasaur>yes, that would be ideal. sadly the box is in canada. I am not.
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19:14<cro>hello i want install debian on my pc it is a Pentium D 2.8 what distribution do i have to download? [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch]
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19:14<peterS>cro: i386, unless your pentium d is a 64-bit chip. I think those are not, though
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19:15<cro>no it is 32 bits
19:15<klys>use i386
19:16<cro>thanks guys i'll use Debian becuase im a n00b with linux but i couldnt install ubuntu it shows me a message "Umcompressing Kernel Ok" and stays that way forerver.. :S
19:17<klys>it means you have a bad write. try a perfectly new cd
19:17<cro>i burning a new one while i download debian...
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19:19<klys>and when installing debian, only install a basic system with the installer (no desktop or laptop) then ask someone here for their --get-selections, and change your sources to sid/unstable, then set your selections and download debian that way instead of downloading etch
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19:21<cro>ok guys i'll try right away
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19:22<SAouthernC>anyone got any ideas why compiling a kernel version 2.6.18- will work fine but 2.6.19.* my network wont work using the same exact config
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19:24<klys>SAouthernC: do "make menuconfig" and save your new config
19:24<SAouthernC>i did
19:24<oddtod>hye guyes i'm trying to restore grub when i enter grub i get invalid string to setup hd0 which from what i read is what i'm suposed to do when find returns hd0,2
19:24<SAouthernC>but any kernel above 2.6.18 will not let me connect to internet
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19:25<peterS>SAouthernC: we might or might not be able to help you, but at least we need to know what kind of NIC you have
19:25<SAouthernC>liek i just compiled using the same config as the one for on 2.6.18 and iot works fine
19:25<SAouthernC>its a realtek
19:26<peterS>SAouthernC: so like the 8139too driver, or the 8139cp driver, or the r8169 driver?
19:26<peterS>(those are all realtek - 8139too is by far the most common)
19:26<peterS>or for that matter the ne2k-pci driver, which supports the realtek 8029....
19:26<SAouthernC>how do i find out ?
19:26<peterS>SAouthernC: lspci | grep Ethernet
19:27<peterS>it will probably say Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) or so - the rev number at the end is useful to know
19:27<peterS>'cause if it is at least 32, you need 8139cp, if not, you need 8139too
19:27<klys>oddtod: you should install grub on a bootable primary partition, and mbr on (hd0)
19:27<SAouthernC>rev 10
19:28<SAouthernC>and yes it says exactly that
19:28<tcsetattr>all hail peterS, who knows what all the PCI numbers mean.
19:28<peterS>right so you need the 8139too module, CONFIG_8139TOO=m or so in the kernel config
19:28<oddtod>well i'm getting invaild string command when i do a setup hd0
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19:28<klys>do you mean setup (hd0,2)
19:28<oddtod>Error 11: Unrecognized device string
19:28<peterS>well, I've dealt with figuring out 8139too vs. 8139cp before. it so happens that the PCI ID was kept the same for the newer model of chip, and you only tell them apart by their chip revision ID
19:28<SAouthernC>so how come it works fine with the older version of the kernel image ?
19:29<SAouthernC>using the same config
19:29<peterS>SAouthernC: I don't know. I have the same ethernet chip (rev 10 even) and it works fine with 2.6.18 and 2.6.20.
19:29<klys>install (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,2) (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p /boot/grub/menu.txt
19:29<klys>oddtod: do you have a grub boot cd? can you burn cds?
19:30<SAouthernC>so just add what you said to the config and it should work ?
19:30<peterS>SAouthernC: if you do 'grep 8139TOO .config' what options does it list? and do you have them turned on or off?
19:30<oddtod>i can burn cds i'm using a Ubunut live cd
19:30<oddtod>right now but i can burn cds
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19:31<SAouthernC>it says no such file or directory
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19:31<SAouthernC>zZZ hang on
19:31<peterS>SAouthernC: I mean in your 2.6.19 (or .22) kernel build directory
19:31<peterS>that's where .config will live
19:32<oddtod> now once i get that booted is hould be fairly cut and dry from there klys?
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19:32<klys>oddtod: as long as you can deal with a grub commandline
19:33<peterS>and PIO?
19:33<SAouthernC>PIO not set
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19:33<oddtod>why isn't the live cd working if you don't mind me asking?
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19:33<peterS>debian kernels have _PIO set to y. I don't know if this would make a difference for your chip. but since the same option exists in 2.6.18 and 2.6.19, I don't see how it would affect your problem
19:34<klys>oddtod: usually when a cd fails to boot it is either bad hardware detection or bad cd write
19:34<peterS>SAouthernC: also, it's still only a theory that the reason your network doesn't come up is because of the 8139too driver. it could be an unrelated failure.
19:34<SAouthernC>i mean i cant boot the kernel works fine network control applet in toolbar says connection established but ic ant ping localhost or router
19:34<peterS>like udev horking up the interface name somehow
19:34<oddtod>no i'm in the live cd now
19:34<oddtod>i'm wondering why the live cd isn't working to fix grub
19:35<oddtod>its working to boot up i'm talking over it right now
19:35<peterS>SAouthernC: run 'ifconfig -a' or 'ip addr' (if you have the iproute package installed) and see if the output looks similar between your two kernels
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19:35<peterS>I know that's time-consuming, but it might be enlightening. you can redirect the output to two files in /var/tmp or something, and compare them with diff -u
19:35<klys>ok, make sure you've run install-mbr, and make sure you've got partition hda3 set active
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19:36<klys>you can back up your mbr this way: dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.stp bs=512 count=1
19:36<SAouthernC>would you like me to contact you when im done ?
19:36<SAouthernC>this is gonna take a min
19:36<oddtod>i have the drives mounted
19:36<peterS>SAouthernC: sure, ping me on channel. I'll hear the irc highlight beep
19:37<klys>oddtod: then it just means you can't change the partition table. install-mbr should still work
19:37<oddtod>in the grub command line area or in bash?
19:37<klys>oddtod: also, be sure to copy stage1 and stage2 to /boot/grub (or where you want them) on /dev/hda3
19:38<klys>run install-mbr /dev/hda from bash
19:39<klys>the install command I typed earlier should be run from the grub command line
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19:39<peterS>SAouthernC: oh also, run 'dmesg | grep 8139' from both kernel boots, if you could. any strange error messages that show up there might give a clue
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19:40<oddtod>its complaining about there not being an option do i point it at hd0?
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19:40<klys>oddtod: is your harddrive on /dev/hda ?
19:40<oddtod>no it would be sda
19:40<oddtod>its a sata drive
19:40<oddtod>but grub returned hd0
19:41<oddtod>on its find
19:41<klys>oddtod: I don't know about grub detection of serial ATA. see the grub site
19:41<oddtod>so i assumed it did something funny and redirected it
19:41<peterS>oddtod: /boot/grub/ should be consistent with what you just said - double check
19:41<peterS>like it should say "(hd0) /dev/sda"
19:41<oddtod>oh got you
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19:42<oddtod>yeah it says that exact thing peter
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19:43<klys>oddtod: you shouldn't have to do anything with grub from linux besides copy stage1 and stage2 to /dev/hda3
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19:44<oddtod>well when i boot up it now goes to xp but before it defaulted to the next boot device so i have the feeling i should reinstall grub(just guessing)
19:44<klys>oddtod: can you boot the iso ?
19:44<oddtod>where would stage1 and stage2 be located
19:44<klys>in /lib/grub/i386-pc
19:44<oddtod>i'm pretty sure i'll be able to
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19:45<klys>from the grub commandline you can do "root (hd0,2)" and then "makeactive"
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19:46<oddtod>i jsut ran that
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19:46<oddtod>should it work now ya think?
19:46<klys>remember the install command I typed a minute ago
19:47<klys>install (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,2) (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p /boot/grub/menu.txt
19:47<klys>go for it
19:48<peterS>".uy", interesting nick
19:48<oddtod>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0,2'
19:48<oddtod>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0,2'
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19:49<peterS>oddtod: I think he mean to get into the grub shell first
19:49<oddtod>oh shit
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19:50<klys>right, boot the cd and do it from the shell
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19:51<oddtod>oh shoot ok
19:51<oddtod>i'll try that be back in a few
19:51<oddtod>thanks guys for all your help
19:51[~]peterS csh -c 'If I had a ( for every csh bug, what would I have?'
19:51<peterS>sometimes I'm easily amused
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19:53<SAouthernC>peter you know where i could find a reference of what all the setting are in menu config for the kernel i cant find anything very detailing
19:53<peterS>for those of you who don't have csh (or tcsh) installed, it spits out the error "Too many ('s."
19:53<SAouthernC>and im compiling 2.6.22 now so it will be done in about 20 and give you that info
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19:54<peterS>SAouthernC: each option has help text, you just hit ? and it shows it. I guess some options don't have very good help though
19:54<klys>SAouthernC: the kernel has a file in Documentation (part of the kernel source) about kernel-parameters
19:55<SAouthernC>never even thought of that
19:55<SAouthernC>lol thanks
19:55<puntouy>i'm updating from etch to testing.. but the 'dpkg' package (:p) fails on md5 checksum :S
19:55<tcsetattr>not to mention that the menuconfig has 3 buttons on the bottom labeled "OK" "Cancel" and "Help"
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19:56<SAouthernC>yea but the help isnt very informative
19:56<SAouthernC>on some things
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19:59<peterS>SAouthernC: seriously though - 3 years ago I used to always compile my own kernels because I trusted that I knew what I wanted better than some generic distro packager. today I just use Debian kernels. the Debian kernel team is good enough that whatever things I might compile differently just aren't terribly important.
19:59<Guest55>Uh, I really and desperately need help
19:59<Guest55>My problem is:
19:59<SAouthernC>well the biggest thing was i wanted to use HZ 1000
19:59<Guest55>I recently installed Debians Desktop Environment but when I start it I get diagonal rainbows on the screen
19:59<SAouthernC>and then i got into other things
20:00<Guest55>Before I coul use install gui but now I get the same thing
20:00<Guest55>I also install ubuntu and I got the same thing as well
20:00<Guest55>I even re-installed Windows to try and fix it
20:00<Guest55>(I am using VPC)
20:00<Guest55>Can anyone help?
20:00<klys>SAouthernC: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:01<klys>for startx, check ~/.xsession ; for xinit, check ~/.xinitrc
20:01<puntouy>any idea about my problem? :|
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20:01<puntouy>it fails allways :S
20:02<Guest55>I recently installed Debians Desktop Environment but when I start it I get diagonal rainbows on the screen. Before I could use install gui but now I get the same thing, I also installed ubuntu and I got the same thing as well. I even re-installed Windows to try and fix it (I am using VPC), can anyone help?
20:02<mmavipc>!reconfigure x
20:02<dpkg>methinks reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>".. From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:02<klys>puntouy: do dpkg -x dpkg_*.deb /tmp/new/dir
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20:02<peterS>SAouthernC: I find it hard to believe most people can tell HZ=250 (debian kernels) from HZ=1000
20:02<peterS>but OK
20:02<puntouy>i'm updating from repos
20:02<Guest55>Except it worked fine before and I even installed Ubuntu and that still didn't work
20:02<SAouthernC>i wanna run a 1000 fps hlds server
20:03<klys>Guest55: I was really talking to you up there (I think)
20:03<SAouthernC>and cant unless Hz is set to 1000
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20:03<peterS>very well.
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20:04<Guest55>Syntax error next unexpected token: check
20:04<oddtod>does any one know if there is a grub for pen drives?
20:04<oddtod>i can't burn that iso in ubuntu live
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20:04<klys>Guess55: I am not logically telling you to type check. use your intuition
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20:05<peterS>intuition: command not found
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20:06<klys> has aptitude!
20:06<peterS>aptitude install spidersense
20:07<Guest55>klys: This is not an isolated incident, before I could use install gui but now I can't, and now I can't use Ubuntu, I even re-installed windows
20:08<klys>Guest55: if your Xorg.0.log shows you an error, you may have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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20:10<eldowan>klys: isn't direct editing of xorg.conf frowned upon? I've been under the impression that the correct method of changing the xorg.conf is to use !drxx
20:10<Guest55>Yes, except this is not only appearing on debian, this is appearing on all VPC's
20:10<Guest55>Everything worked fine until today
20:10<eldowan>Guest55: vpc?
20:11<Guest55>virtual pcs
20:11<klys>virtual. he must be using vmwhare or what not
20:11<Guest55>Microsoft Virtual PC...
20:11<eldowan>Guest55: if you are using vmware, have you installed vmtools?
20:12<Guest55>I haven't installed any VPC addons
20:12<Guest55>But everything worked fine until I turned on my computer today
20:12<Guest55>I even re-install XP
20:12<eldowan>Guest55: aah. I guess that you have the drivers for the guest OS installed then. Sorry, I havent used Microsofts VPC, can't help there.
20:13<Guest55>Should I try VMWare?
20:13<eldowan>what changed between you turning the PC on today and the time before that?
20:13<Guest55>Ummm, nothing
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20:13<eldowan>Guest55: That is my personal preference, take that with a grain of salt though. IF you do use vmware, know that the images are portable to different machines and OSs, so if you switch to a linux host instead of windows, your VMs will transfer easily.
20:13<klys>I would not use a microsoft product to virtualize linux
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20:14<Guest55>So can I migrate from Microsoft to VMWARE?
20:14<eldowan>Guest55: I immagine you already have an install on MVPC?
20:14<klys>vmware is around, I'm not sure how free it is
20:14<Guest55>Or will I have to re-install debian
20:14<peterS>Microsoft needs to release a Xen-compatible ntoskrnl.exe
20:15<eldowan>klys: vmware (server) is free as in beer.
20:15<peterS>for use in a xen domU I mean
20:15<Guest55>Is VMWare free?
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20:15<Guest55>VMware Server 1.0.2?
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20:16<eldowan>Guest55: Take this with a grain of salt, as it is the advice of just a faceless user on the 'net. IF you have debian installed in the MVPC and don't want to re-install, I would download a device imiging program and make an image from the MVPC and then try to restore it in vmware.
20:16<eldowan>Guest55: I believe that I'm currently running 1.0.3.
20:16<eldowan>Guest55: I'm running 1.0.3 build-44356
20:17<Guest55>And what if migrating wont fix the problem?
20:18<eldowan>hmm, reinstall?
20:18<Guest55>Because I already tried re-installing Ubuntu and Windows
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20:19<eldowan>Guest55: Again, personal opinion. If you are going to try vmware, I would do a fresh load if you haven't extensively tooled around with your current install in MVPC
20:20<Guest55>Because I just found a converter made by VMWare
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20:21<eldowan>Guest55: Good luck with that. I tried their P2V (iirc) many months ago to migrate a physical machine over to a VM. It didn't work so well for me. Though that might have been 6 months or more ago...
20:21<klys>use the netinstall boot cd, install a basic (not 'desktop' or 'laptop') system, apt-get install emacs after rebooting, and emacs /etc/apt/sources.list; change your sources to unstable/sid and then install from your other system's dpkg --get-selections
20:21<Guest55>Well thanks for your help
20:21<Guest55>Bye and have a great day! :)
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20:22<eldowan>Guest55: I'm going to be away from the channel for a while. if you need more help in the next hour, hang around and ask, I'll try to help if I can.
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20:26<AndyJ_Australia>Good morning everyone, can anyone assist with creating an IA32 chroot?
20:27<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: best to just ask your question
20:27<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: though in this case, man cdebootstrap; (or man debootstrap;) will resolve most of them
20:28<AndyJ_Australia>Thanks dondelcaro... I'm working through the instructions at and have just added entries to fstab
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20:29<AndyJ_Australia>the next instruction is to mount the four chroot directories, and I'm wondering if this means to run the mount commands, or add the mount commands to fstab
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20:29<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: those actually aren't chroot directories
20:30<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: what you're doing is bind mounting yorur home, tmp, dev and proc (though bind mounting proc is kind of redundant)
20:30<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: so you should add those to fstab, then run the mount command to mount them (or use mount -a)
20:31<AndyJ_Australia>OK. doe mount -a mount everything it finds in fstab?
20:31<AndyJ_Australia>Sorry that was does
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20:31<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: man mount ;-)
20:31<AndyJ_Australia>So... will I need to remount each time I restart the system (which is often, I'm not a runtime kind of person)
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20:32<dondelelcaro>AndyJ_Australia: nope; that's why you put them in fstab.
20:32<AndyJ_Australia>Bingo. That's what I was hoping.
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20:37<oddtod>hey guys i'm back again :( i booted up my pc and before i got a chance to enter the cd mod it went right into grub
20:37<oddtod>i tried running that command Klys
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20:38<oddtod>and it said must use absolute pathname
20:39<SAouthernC>peterS you still there ?
20:39<SAouthernC>ill upload that file for you to see
20:40<SAouthernC>using the same exact configs for bolth kernels
20:40<SAouthernC>one sec had to reboot iot
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20:40<klys>oddtod: it must be referring to the last parameter
20:40<klys>install (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,2) (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.txt
20:41<oddtod>i'll try that sir brb
20:41<klys>did you get any tab completion or file lists in grub? it works that way
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20:43<klys>touch /boot/grub/menu.txt
20:43<SAouthernC>peterS did you get that ?
20:43<peterS>SAouthernC: yes, I'm sure you could have posted it publicly instead, but I got it
20:43<peterS>SAouthernC: if you run 'diff -u' between the two files, are there any differences?
20:44<peterS>SAouthernC: oh, never mind, the difference is obvious. look at the names of the eth interfaces.
20:44<SAouthernC>if i do ifconfig up down on all of them none of them work
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20:45<peterS>SAouthernC: what is eth0? I notice it doesn't appear in 2.6.22
20:46<SAouthernC>i believe thats the motherboard ethernet adapter
20:46<SAouthernC>that debian installed by default
20:46<SAouthernC>as you can see i only need eth2 which is my realtek
20:46<SAouthernC>but dunno how to fix that
20:47<peterS>SAouthernC: hmmm, eth0 is made by Abit Computer Corporation. I think I know the brand of your motherboard now....
20:47<SAouthernC>there terribasd
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20:47<SAouthernC>no usb support ZzZz
20:47<peterS>wait, you mean eth1, not eth2
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20:48<SAouthernC>yea eth1 sorry
20:48<SAouthernC>i see its a updated driver but other then that i dont know why it wouldnt work
20:49<peterS>SAouthernC: yeah. I also note you're trying to load the 8139cp driver, which fails because your chip isn't an 8139cp ... but that is true of both your kernels, and it is harmless
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20:50<SAouthernC>any ideas
20:51<peterS>SAouthernC: I also notice that on both kernels, ifconfig claims that eth1 is transmitting ("TX") and receiving ("RX") packets. so I seriously don't know where the problem is. the IRQ number is different, but that's probably just ACPI stuff
20:51<SAouthernC>i mean ive read and read on google etc and cant find anything
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20:52<peterS>also your 2.6.22 doesn't have sit0, but that is only needed for IPv6, and I'm guessing you aren't using IPv6 there
20:52<SAouthernC>yea i dont know why cause like i said there the same configs
20:53<peterS>well, config options are renamed sometimes, so 'same config' doesn't always get you quite the same config
20:53<peterS>but it is strange that the 8139too driver would fail, as that's an extremely popular network chip, everyone would have noticed
20:53<klys>oddtod: or maybe, root (hd0,2) then the command I gave you the first time
20:53<peterS>I think we can rule out 8139too driver failure though - if that were the problem, ifconfig would not have shown all those TX and RX packets
20:54<peterS>unless ... unless it _is_ driver failure in the sense of corrupting incoming packets so that the TCP checksums don't verify and your app never sees the traffic. I think that would show up in the ifconfig stats, but I can't be sure
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20:55<peterS>(or outgoing packets being corrupted, for that matter)
20:55<SAouthernC>but wouldnt i be able to ping localhost or router for that matter ?
20:55<SAouthernC>i get 100% loss
20:55<klys>oddtod: how'd it go?
20:55<oddtod>klys: still same resolve complained about pathname needing to be full does that mean i have to mount it first or something?
20:55<peterS>SAouthernC: wait - you can't even ping localhost?
20:56<klys>oddtod: or maybe, root (hd0,2) then the command I gave you the first time
20:56<peterS>what about ping ?
20:56<klys>touch /boot/grub/menu.txt
20:56<peterS>(in case it is hostname lookup that fails)
20:56<SAouthernC>cant ping that either
20:56<peterS>what's the error message from ping? or is it just silent hanging?
20:57<SAouthernC>well eventually it will give me the error
20:57<SAouthernC>one sec
20:57<SAouthernC>right now its just hanging
20:57<peterS>so it prints the header line "PING ( ..." but then hangs?
20:58<klys>oddtod: these error messages are a bit cryptic, I'm sure you understand
20:58<SAouthernC>does this make any sense to you if i try to do ifconfig down eth2 it says unknown host....
20:58<peterS>ifconfig eth2 down
20:58<peterS>not ifconfig down eth2
20:58<oddtod>oh yeah
20:58<oddtod>well i don't understand HAHA thats why i'm here
20:58<SAouthernC>zZZzz my head this is killing me lol
20:59<oddtod>ok so root (hd0,2) then that command ok
20:59<SAouthernC>yes its doing what you said
20:59<oddtod>i'lll try it hopefull brb on my normal system
20:59<klys>right, the way I gave it to you first
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20:59<SAouthernC>ping ( etc
20:59<SAouthernC>and is just haning
20:59<oddtod>OH ok
20:59<oddtod>that clears things up
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20:59<peterS>SAouthernC: so the failure is elsewhere in your network stack. it is quite possibly a kernel config option added or renamed in 2.6.19, but I don't know what
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21:00<SAouthernC>there anyway i can check the two files against eachother ?
21:00<SAouthernC>like after you save the config after doing menuconfig it makes a new file
21:00<SAouthernC>and make a old.config
21:01<blarson>SAouthernC: diff -u
21:01<SAouthernC>not really my question
21:01<peterS>yeah. copy the config into the 2.6.22 directory. then 'make menuconfig' and save and exit. then 'diff -u .config.old .config | less' or similar
21:01<SAouthernC>question is does it save the kernel options present in that config or load it when you make
21:02<SAouthernC>k one sec
21:02<peterS>the make menuconfig will update the config to match the kernel, so diff will show you what the new options are that you haven't looked at
21:03<peterS>alternatively, you can use 'make oldconfig' which reads your old config, then asks you a one-line question for each new option that you didn't already have in there
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21:05<f0rtune>hey, im having trouble installing debian 4.0 on my laptop, im using an external cd-rom drive to boot eh cd, and im not usre where it is mounted can someone help me out/
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21:08<SAouthernC>whys the output so long ?
21:08<peterS>SAouthernC: because 2.6.18 -> 2.6.22 is a very long time in linux kernel development. lots of stuff has changed.
21:09<SAouthernC>wanna take a look ?
21:09<SAouthernC>cause i dont know what im looking for
21:10<peterS>in terms of kernel development, 2.6.18 -> 2.6.22 is probably equivalent to windows 2000 -> windows xp
21:10<peterS>you'll find your output is somewhat shorter if you do the same test for 2.6.18 -> 2.6.19
21:10<peterS>that might help
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21:11<oddtod>hey klys i'm in my old OS but the command didn't work
21:11<oddtod>i tried setup (hd0,2)
21:11<oddtod>and it ran and did some stuff
21:11<klys>does it boot now??
21:11<oddtod>then i tried booting with it and it was still pinting at hd0,0
21:11<oddtod>so i changed it
21:12<oddtod>its booted now i'm werry about rebooting it hah
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21:12<oddtod>windows was still not in there
21:12<oddtod>any way i can add that manually?
21:12<klys>edit the config file on /boot/grub
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21:13<oddtod>and add the parameters forwindows?
21:13<klys>you want, root (hd0,0) and chainloader +1
21:13<klys>or simply chainloader (hd0,0)+1
21:14<lhadji>Hey, i was going about my day on etch, and i thought i would do a aptitude update - aptitude upgrade. It said i had 1 package awaiting for upgrade. so i clicked yes. As i looked to see what was happening, the package was: linux-image. or something. and it then said i needed a reboot after the install.
21:14<klys>there should be a title, a default, and sometimes you want a timeout. usually for a laptop I would point the default to an entry that does 'halt'
21:14<lhadji>I rebooted only to find that my modules was stuffed. and x didn't boot
21:14<lhadji>why did etch even ask me to install another kernel?
21:15<peterS>lhadji: there was probably a security issue
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21:15<peterS>lhadji: why does etch ever offer you upgrades? that's why
21:15<oddtod>what is the config file called in grug menu.lst?
21:16<lhadji>peterS - I mean, for users that just want an up to date system and click yes to everything that comes from aptitude upgrade
21:16<lhadji>i was like that
21:16<lhadji>and my system was boomed because of it
21:17<peterS>what do you mean, your modules were stuffed?
21:17<lhadji>none of them were found
21:17<klys>lhadji: yu should probably get linux from, unpack it to /usr/src/linux, apply a few favorite patches such as qreboot, and with module-init-tools worknig properly and X with the right DRM module, etc. dpkg --purge linux-image.
21:17<lhadji>when i started x
21:17<peterS>klys: very helpful advice, that
21:18<oddtod>dude klys is the man
21:18<peterS>lhadji: so it was your X modules which were not found? I'm confused now
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21:19<lhadji>peterS, after the reboot it told me to do(after installing linux-image), glx, GLCORE n all that were not found
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21:19<peterS>lhadji: that doesn't sound kernel-related. do those files exist in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ ?
21:19<klys>lhadji: out of curiosity, lspci -vvv (you can post it in #flood or on
21:20<peterS>well and /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/, etc.
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21:20<peterS>klys: that's a lot of -v, what do you expect to learn from that?
21:20<klys>peterS: the type and model of video device
21:20<peterS>you can get that without any of the -v, just lspci | grep VGA
21:21<klys>sounds good to me
21:23<peterS>lhadji: my theory is that your broken system was already broken before the latest update, but it took a reboot to notice this
21:24<lhadji>peterS - so really, updating the package i mentioned should not alter the system in any way, i.e) by deleting?
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21:26<klys>lhadji: lsmod should prove that you're missing the appropriate DRM. fix it with modprobe
21:26<klys>add the right module to /etc/modules
21:27<dondelelcaro>glx and glcore are not kernel modules.
21:27<dondelelcaro>lhadji: where are you seeing this error message? Show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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21:29<peterS>lhadji: you still didn't answer my earlier question about whether the module files exist in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ and /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/. so I can't help you further
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21:30<bakincool>i need
21:30<bakincool>for install compiz
21:30<bakincool>in debian etch 4
21:31<bakincool>i have instaled nvidea drivers
21:31<peterS>first of all, stop hitting Enter every few words. type a whole sentence or a whole thought, then hit Enter
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21:31<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate!
21:31<dondelelcaro>bakincool: it's not in etch; someone may have backported it from unstable though. Check and/or backport it yourself.
21:31<dondelelcaro>!factinfo enter
21:31<dpkg>enter -- last modified at Tue May 22 06:57:03 2007 by Vasistha!n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha; it has been requested 101 times, last by klys, 30s ago.
21:32<lhadji>it's fine, now that i know they aren't kernel modules, i have to blame it on something else for why my system doesnt boot into x. I just want to know that - choosing to upgrade "linux-image.", and if it's for security, that's what the "average" user should do yes? or is it thought to be that every user should know what klys said to do from the ftp after the image is installed via aptitude?
21:33<dondelelcaro>dpkg: no, enter is <reply> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
21:33<dpkg>dondelelcaro: okay
21:33<peterS>lhadji: don't do what klys said. he was advising advanced users, not beginners
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21:33<peterS>lhadji: anyway, your system broke probably because it was already broken, but you only noticed because you restarted X (because you rebooted).
21:34<klys>lhadji: my argument on compiling the kernel is you would have wanted to do it for some driver or kernel addon anyway eventually. everyone should learn ther kernel too
21:34<dondelelcaro>lhadji: everyone should be installing the kernel on updates like that.
21:34<peterS>lhadji: so the update didn't cause the problem, but rebooting showed that the problem was there. I believe.
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21:34<dondelelcaro>klys: there's no point in compiling your own kernel unless you have specific requirements, and doing it without using make-kpkg and walking someone through it isn't particularly useful either.
21:35<klys>I don't atempt to claim I'm carrying a point, ever
21:35<peterS>yeah, klys, don't advise people to compile their own kernel without a specific reason. that's bad advice in general.
21:35<peterS>and we're not terribly fond of bad advice in a help channel
21:36<klys>make menuconfig should be viewed by all beginners, not just the hardware-howto
21:36<klys>I suggest someone post a screenshot of it
21:36<peterS>a screenshot of menuconfig just so people can see what it looks like? amusing, maybe, but not really useful
21:37<lhadji>so what are the steps to updating the system correctly. i always thought with aptitude update and upgrade, pressing y for packages was enough. so it downloads and installs. I just didn't know that for this linux.image., i had to something more then press y
21:37<lhadji>see where i'm coming from :D
21:37<klys>so I can say *this* is where all your drivers are. want to find out if it works with linux?
21:37<peterS>lhadji: I already said, about 4 times now, that your kernel update DID NOT CAUSE YOUR PROBLEM
21:37<lhadji>i know
21:37<lhadji>im asking a simple question now
21:37<bakincool>hi i can ask something?
21:37<peterS>lhadji: believe us or don't believe us, but can you stop going on about your linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 problem, because that is not your problem.
21:37<klys>of course
21:38<lhadji>peterS, relax man i know it wasnt the package now! im simply asking if there was something more I had to do to upgrade properly
21:38<peterS>no, you did the right thing
21:38<peterS>but when you rebooted, you discovered that something else had broken earlier
21:38<bakincool>i need a guide for install compiz in debian etch 4, i have instaled nvidea drivers for my gforce
21:38<lhadji>peterS, yep
21:39<peterS>lhadji: we're trying to establish what broke, but you are not giving us the information we keep asking for, so it's kinda hard
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21:39<lhadji>it's ok - i thought i was stumped finding the problem if it was kernel related. now i know that it isn't i can go back to reading manuels and googling to find it
21:39<lhadji>thanks for all your time
21:40<dondelelcaro>peterS: strange that you wouldn't want to ask the people who would know even when google doesn't.
21:40<klys>ok if it just says your GLX isn't accelerated, you need the module though
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21:41<oddtod>hey klys everything is working as far as nix portion goes
21:41<klys>so, your menu file?
21:41<peterS>lhadji: see what dondelelcaro just said - I'm pretty sure he meant it for you not me
21:41<oddtod>menu file is all set up
21:41<dondelelcaro>peterS: nah, i meant it for you
21:41<peterS>so I'm confused now
21:42<oddtod>except for windows i tried configuring the win portion but think i got my maps wrong
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21:42<klys>I haven't used 'map' with grub
21:44<oddtod>oh in the menu.lts i guess i'm suposed to put map (hd0) (hd1)
21:45<oddtod>i'll keep reading what i'm readin
21:45<oddtod>its kinda helping me
21:45<klys>I don't know what map does, sorry
21:45<oddtod>oh its cool
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22:12<Leo_RJ>Someone can help me with sound in my we browser?
22:12<JasonS>Leo_RJ: only if you actually explain the problem you're having
22:13<Leo_RJ>Thanks, jasonS :) Thatś my first time in this chat
22:13<Leo_RJ>Weel, I got Debian Etch
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22:13<Leo_RJ>And I got Alsa to control the sound and a Soundblaster
22:14<Leo_RJ>The sound works fine with local mp3 files, or videos
22:14<Leo_RJ>But do not work in the net ,in sites like youtube, for exemple
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22:14<Leo_RJ>It seems to me that all the permissions are fine
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22:15<twix>can iptables do stateful packet inspection?
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22:15<twix>hello first
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22:16<Leo_RJ>And there is a detail about my alsa... I don't know what happened in the instalation process, but alsa loaded itself fine to the root. But when I log like another user, I must run alsaconf to have the sound
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22:17<Leo_RJ>Is iptables a pakagefor sound check?
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22:18<twix>Leo_RJ, no relation with sound.. it's a packetfilter pkg
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22:18<Leo_RJ>Thanks, twix
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22:21<hxizan>which file(s) I can change to create multi binary packages? rules, control or *.install/*.dirs ?
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22:24<moddinati>I installed DSL on an old laptop i was given. I need to modify grub's menu.lst but the file system is read-only. I tried the 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1' and it gives me an error saying '/mnt/hda1 is not mounted already, or bad option'. If I type just mount it says '/dev/hda1 on /cdrom type ext2 (rw)'.
22:24<moddinati>how can i get write access?
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22:28<klys>mount /proc; mount -o remount /
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22:30<moddinati>thanks for the reply. it tells me that proc is already mounted though
22:30<klys>now touch /file
22:32<moddinati>it gives an error saying read only file system
22:32<klys>the error from mount -o remount / ?
22:33<klys>if you have to, dmesg | tail
22:33<moddinati>mount -o remount/ doesn't give an error
22:33<moddinati>what does dmesg | tail do?
22:33<klys>does, mount -o remount /
22:34<klys>s/t\//t \//
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22:34<moddinati>alright, i tried dmest | tail and tried touch /file again but it still says read-only system
22:35<klys>what is the latest few lines from dmesg | tail
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22:35<moddinati>there is a couple lines about the cdrom saying illegal request
22:36<klys>hrm, do you have / mounted loopback from a cdrom file?
22:36<moddinati>when i do 'mount' it says /dev/hda1 is mounted at /cdrom
22:36<klys>ls /cdrom/boot/grub
22:37<moddinati>it lists a bunch of files
22:37<klys>includes, menu.lst ?
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22:38<klys>now, if you typed /mnt/hda1 ...
22:38<klys>try mount -o remount /cdrom
22:38<moddinati>ls /mnt/hda1 lists nothing
22:39<klys>no, though your error message indicated it had some imput to the effect of '/mnt/hda1' I was just checking
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22:40<moddinati>i can now touch /cdrom/boot/grub/menu.lst
22:40<moddinati>is that the right menu.lst file i need to edit, or is it the one in /boot/grub/menu.lst
22:40<klys>it is
22:41<moddinati>alright, thanks for the help
22:41<kurumin>no hay brasilianos aqui?
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22:47<klys>Leo_RJ: run X as root and see if your browser has sound
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22:48<djmachado>maybe it's off-topic
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22:48<djmachado>but i'm needing some help
22:48<djmachado>i want to recompile my system back to 32 bits
22:48<djmachado>it's running on 64 bits
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22:49<djmachado>it's athlon 64.
22:49<klys>djmachado: you must then install the base system and a kernel capable of ELF32. use the debian netinstaller iso
22:49<djmachado>is it the only way ?
22:49<klys>unless you want my --get-selections from when I last installed a (laptop) system
22:50<djmachado>ok then
22:50<klys>I don't think you can install on the same partition, though
22:50<klys>you could try installing to a loopback device (made with mke2fs and tune2fs) on your big partition
22:51<klys>booting the device initially would be difficult
22:51<klys>and when installing, you would have to tell dpkg where to put it
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22:52<djmachado>but i don't know exactly how to do this
22:52<djmachado>could you explain it better?
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22:56<djmachado>klys:are you still there?
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22:56<klys>I'm having trouble with ftp. would you like me to /dcc you the file?
22:57<klys>hold on
22:58<klys>now you need to fetch the latest dpkg package and dpkg -x it to /loop
22:58<klys>...when /loop exists
22:59<klys>do you have a partition large enough to hold the files or would you like to use the loop approach to replace your current setup?
22:59<klys>on your largest partition (run df to see)
22:59<klys>...not an ntfs partition
22:59<djmachado>i do have a large partition
23:00<klys>dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/newfs.ext2 bs=1048576 count=number_of_megs
23:00<klys>is your large partition presumably empty and ext2, or is it your current 64-bit system?
23:01<klys>then, mke2fs /mnt/newfs.ext2 > /mnt/newfs.ext2.txt 2>&1
23:01<klys>and it might take 2 minutes
23:01<djmachado>it's my current 64-bit system
23:01<klys>then modprobe loop
23:01<klys>ok, so use something like, /root/newfs.ext2 ok?
23:02<djmachado>i'll do that
23:02<klys>then, mkdir /loop
23:03<klys>then, tune2fs -j /root/newfs.ext2
23:03<klys>modprobe ext3 (unless it's built-in, which it probably is) or grep ext3 /proc/filesystems
23:04<klys>then, mount -t ext3 /root/newfs.ext2 /loop
23:04<klys>now, the debian packages are at
23:05<klys>apt-cache show dpkg | grep ilename
23:05<klys>and you can see where to get the i386.deb file
23:05<klys>the strange part will be installing dpkg for the first time
23:06<djmachado>i see it will bem a long weekend then
23:06<klys>you have to say: touch /loop/var/lib/dpkg/status
23:06<klys>now, this should be a simple trick
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23:07<klys>dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB dpkg_*i386.deb
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23:08<klys>after that works (untested but I'm sure...), just run dpkg --root=/loop on anything else you want to install by hand, and there's another thing with dpkg --root=/loop --set-selections dpkg-getsel.txt
23:09<klys>you'll want to install libc6 and apt, and I can tell you apt's dependencies if you like
23:09<klys>I'm sure you can too with apt-cache showpkg apt
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23:10<klys>you'll have to edit /loop/etc/sources.list and run apt-get update, chrooted, before you can fetch all your selections
23:10<klys>'scuse me, /loop/etc/apt/sources.list
23:10<moddinati>i have another question real quick. since my /dev/hda1 is seen as /cdrom, does that mean my cd drive will not work?
23:11<klys>moddinati: that depends on your /etc/fstab
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23:11<moddinati>ok, I'll look at it. thanks again
23:11<klys>np man
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23:12<djmachado>klys:i've never tried it before's interesting
23:13<f0rtune>hey i have a question, sorry this isn't about debian, but i would greatly appreciate your answer, if i have a white wire and a green wire which is possitive?
23:13<klys>no clue
23:13<GhostlyDeath>f0rtune, are you defusing a bomb?
23:13<djmachado>maybe the green one
23:13<f0rtune>no just trying to set up my panel on my mobo right
23:13<klys>real men use multimeters
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23:14<GhostlyDeath>real men use 9v batteries
23:14<djmachado>actually i don't know
23:14<GhostlyDeath>to your tounge
23:14<GhostlyDeath>infact, real men stick paperclips into power outlets
23:14<djmachado>klys: is that all i have to do?
23:14<GhostlyDeath>Getting electrocuted isn't that bad really, must be why I'm nuts though
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23:15<klys>I heard this story about a guy who had a transformer and knocked out the whole neighborhood
23:15<f0rtune>i dont wanna test it and if im wrong ill fry it...
23:15<blarson>GhostlyDeath: real men climb power poles and do chin-ups from both wires.
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23:16<GhostlyDeath>blarson, real men stick up 20ft metal poles in a lightning storm
23:16<f0rtune>well what would your guess be for which is possitive green of white?
23:16<GhostlyDeath>f0rtune, look for a + and a-
23:16<f0rtune>i did
23:16<klys>you have to assume this is for the power LED
23:16<GhostlyDeath>any luck?
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23:16<f0rtune>nope, they both have the same writings
23:16<phorce1>f0rtune: No way to tell. Manufacturers are idiots. I toasted a nice head unit in one of my vehicles because I hooked up an aux-power port (12V plug) backwards because it was wired grey/white and I assumed white was +
23:16<klys>LEDs are diodes, so if you get it backwards the signal is blocked
23:17<f0rtune>its for the power switch
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23:17<phorce1>OH, if it's just for an LED you won't toast it unless you overvoltage it it at the same time you hook it up backwards.
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23:18<f0rtune>no its for the power switch
23:18<tcsetattr>Meatwad says the ground wire is tasty.
23:18<klys>so, with an AT power switch, the answer should be obvious to anyone with a 486
23:18<f0rtune>and last time this happened an old motherboards southbridge started burnging and i saw a few bright lights...
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23:18<GhostlyDeath>oo bright lights :)
23:19<GhostlyDeath>There any way I can make my laptop EMP proof?
23:19<klys>erm, just leave everything unplugged and rely on the fan for testing
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23:19<f0rtune>that would still harm the motherboard
23:20<klys>unplug it
23:20<f0rtune>then there wouldnt be any power going from the motherboard to the power source, and the switch is on the motherboard...
23:21<klys>oh, you're AT
23:21<klys>it's like a reset switch
23:21<klys>erm ATX
23:21<djmachado>klys: i was checking the getsel.txt
23:22<klys>you can add/remove what you want.
23:22<GhostlyDeath>hmm my dead Win98 needs a new ATX power supply
23:22<klys>it doesn't include emacs, which you want (eg, emacs21)
23:22<djmachado>this is what i was about to ask
23:22<djmachado>thanks i'll try that
23:22<klys>it's just the laptop default
23:23<djmachado>any doubt i'll be back here again
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23:23<klys>well, let me know if you want to talk later for sure
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23:23<f0rtune>has anyone tried to start a computer with a paper clip?
23:24<klys>or just say when
23:24<f0rtune>err wait that wouldnt help
23:24<klys>f0rtune: I've done stuff like that
23:24<GhostlyDeath>f0rtune, i;ve turned PCs off with a metal screwdriver
23:24<GhostlyDeath>by sliding it across the motherboard
23:24<f0rtune>that would work but im trying to turn it on lol
23:24<GhostlyDeath>There was a display of fireworks too
23:25<djmachado>thanks i'm going to sleep now's late here in Brazil...bye
23:25<f0rtune>so if i log off or something, you nkow my power has gone out
23:26<klys>i just thought of this: mkdir /loop/var/lib/dpkg/info
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23:42<jeremiahzg>i'm using debian etch, fully updated, with a custom kernel. apt-get autoremove seems to be missing. how can i get this? google didn't turn much up
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23:42<mjk>Which program can I use to log which files the Nvidia installer creates, removes or changes? strace? Or is there a better-suited tool for that purpose?
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23:50<tcsetattr>checkinstall, perhaps
23:50<mjk>tcsetattr: Ah, thanks.
23:50<craigevil>jeremiahzg: autoremove probably isn't in apt in etch,Installed: 0.7.5
23:50<jeremiahzg>craigevil: so i'll need to compile a custom apt?
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23:50<craigevil>i woudl try to grab the version in lenny
23:50<craigevil>or look for a backported version for stable
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23:57<jeremiahzg>craigevil: that will require me to update libc, libgcc, and libstdc++ to the lenny versions. would this be advisable?
23:57<craigevil>probably not if you want to continue using etch
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23:58<craigevil>never really saw the point of running stable myself, unless you are running it on a server
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23:59<jeremiahzg>i use this box for a lot of stuff, especially operating system development, and it hosts a small subversion server
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23:59<jeremiahzg>looks like i'll have to compile a new apt, then?
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