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---Logopened Sun Aug 05 00:00:44 2007
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00:21<Waddledee>I just had a strange problem with Gnome on testing. I stepped away from my computer for a moment, and when I came back, the screen was fading to black as it typically does when the screensaver kicks in. I wiggled the mouse right as the screen went completely black, but before the pointer disappeared-- and the screen didn't come back. Tapping keys didn't work, either. Does this bug sound familiar? Is there a workaround? To who
00:21<Waddledee>m should I report it?
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00:23<Nemoder>I've had that happen before, I think it may be related to opengl screensavers
00:27<tcsetattr>by trying to stop a screensaver the instant it was turning on you created a hole in the universe which will destroy us all
00:27<tcsetattr>well, probably not but that *would* be cool.
00:28<kingsley>Waddledee: It seems to me that if you can duplicate the bug, and if it hasn't otherwise been reporteed yet, then it might be helpful if you filed a bug report.
00:28<Nemoder>as long as he doesn't work at CERN I think we're ok
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00:29<Waddledee>kingsley: all right. If it happens again, I'll report it.
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00:35<chealer>|comfort tcsetattr
00:35<chealer>there there tcsetattr. you'll have your black hole one day.
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00:51<Metalqga>hey chealer
00:51<Metalqga>don't you sleep? :D
00:53<GhostlyDeath>pfft sleep
00:53<Metalqga>some say there is no memory from sleep
00:54<chealer>sleep is overpriced
00:54<Metalqga>yes time is money
00:55<Supaplex>!comfort chealer
00:55<dpkg>There, there, chealer. It's OK. I'm here for you.
00:55<Metalqga>there was a program in which you sleep 6 times a day but for 30 minutes
00:56<Supaplex>no memory from sleep? I guess dreams don't count?
00:56<Metalqga>I dream so rarely
00:56<Metalqga>i must have banged my head when i was a child
00:57<GhostlyDeath>I know I banged my head as a kid
00:57<GhostlyDeath>Banged my head into walls, wood, metal, keyboards, etc.
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01:06<Metalqga>new xorg ati driver
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01:57<southernc>anyone know a good program like cpanel thats gnu
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02:07<luke>Hello all. I'm new to Debian, and I was wondering if someone could tell me the "official" debian repository apt lines?
02:09<tcsetattr>look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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02:11<luke>tcsetattr - thanks
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02:41<sander>anyone know which modules in apache I need loaded to get the rewriteengine from .htaccess file working? I got the rewrite module loaded
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03:19<Supaplex>sander: check the context on the apache site. that and the allowoverride directive
03:20<Supaplex>02:20 < fajita> RewriteRule may be used in .htaccess files if AllowOverride is set to FileInfo
03:21<Supaplex>or cheat and ask fajita in freenode #apache "fajita: rewriterule override" :)
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03:46<oddtod>hey guys how can i from a live cd install grub on my hdd ?
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03:54<glguy>when I use aptitude to update my sources, I get 404 not found for etch/updates/main Packages and Sources
03:54<glguy>am I doing something wrong? is my system out of date? is a server down maybe?
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03:58<lupine>oddtod: "grub install"
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04:01<glguy>is there a better place to ask questions like mine?
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04:02<glguy>this channel seems rather inactive the last few times I've stopped in
04:02<Corner>I think this is normaly a good place.. but it sems that nobody is here..
04:02<Corner>Last time I was here (2 weeks) it was buzzing..
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04:06<kevc>if anyone here was at debconf and wants to help out with some report writing let me know, there's a couple of things we could use assistance with
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04:22<oddtod>hey guys i'm just looking to install grub so i can configure it on boot how do i just install grub onto the hard drive so when the computer boots it goes into Grub>?
04:23<Maulkin>oddtod: grub-install
04:23<simon888><oddtod> hey guys how can i from a live cd install grub on my hdd ? <lupine> oddtod: "grub install"
04:24<oddtod>simon888 grub-install /=/ grub install
04:24<simon888>oddtod, how many times are you going to ask? This is a debian channel not ubuntu.
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04:25<simon888>oddtod, we know.
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04:25<oddtod>i don't see what i'm booting matters
04:25<oddtod>but i have three OS's
04:25<oddtod>debian runs on my system also
04:25<oddtod>and grub install didn't work
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04:28<theimrot>i have problem with exim4 to send mails over gmx
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04:43<theimrot>what i have to adjust in exim4-config , when i send mails over gmx
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04:45<theimrot>nobody an idea
04:46<theimrot>who send email over exim4
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04:57<theimrot>exim -d+auth -qf
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05:05<Travo>sup people
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05:27<vidda>xdcc send
05:28<vidda>xdcc list
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05:36<matth_>guys, do you know of any tool to print out complete dependency tree of a package ?
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05:40<matth_>is apt-cache showpkg $package showing all the deps ? (I see there are more listed than in dpkg -s $package)
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05:51<DTE>hi all
05:51<fxiny>matth_: aptitude -D -s install <packagename>
05:51<DTE>is there somebody using a macbook pro with debian?
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05:53<matth_>fxiny: the answer isn't independant of the system I run it. I just want a plain extensive dep tree
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05:54<Supaplex>!tell DTE -about ask
05:55<DTE>ok...i get many problem trying to run debian on a new macbookpro
05:55<DTE>from acpi to nvidia driver
05:55<Supaplex>fun :) like? anything in the i-g about it? elaborate
05:56<DTE>Supaplex: do u speak to me?
05:57<Supaplex>DTE: yes
05:57<DTE>ah ok...what does it mean i-g?
05:57<Supaplex>!tell DTE -about i-g
05:58<DTE>no installation went fine with the latest d-i
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05:58<DTE>computer run, but nvidia driver are not runnig correctly
05:58<fxiny>a a ahhh : 888 today ? got a sunday promotion mate ?
05:59<DTE>sometime i get acpi errors
05:59<DTE>the cpufreq is not working correctly
06:00<Supaplex>DTE: try searching the wiki and user lists
06:00<DTE>Supaplex: i follow the guide in the wiki (macbook and macbookprob)
06:01<DTE>but it seems they are referring to the old macbook
06:01<Supaplex>have you searched on the word for word errors re acpi?
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06:03<DTE>no yet...i'll do it right now
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06:09<fxiny>embdebian ? for small devices ? i'm just reading a digg about google phone ...
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06:09<Supaplex>yea, like in the debian wiki
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06:12<DTE>one thing i noticed....why under linux the hard disk is louder then under mac osx?
06:12<DTE>is there any way to make it quiter?
06:13<Supaplex>hdparm might support accoustics (sp) mgmnt
06:13<fxiny>main hardware vendors are already using psion/symbian which iirc is opl language based or something like that : i don't see why the industry should trust google/ubu
06:13<oxymor00n>because a harley davidson is louder than a scooter
06:14<gsimmons>DTE: Try adjusting the AAM setting on your device, via hdparm ('-M' option).
06:14<DTE>i'll give a look
06:16<Supaplex>fxiny: ubu?
06:16<fxiny>Supaplex: according to that digg link , ubu should run google phone
06:17<Supaplex>what's ubu?
06:17<Supaplex>shorthand for ubuntu?
06:17<Supaplex>~lart shorthand
06:17[~]dpkg pours hot grits down the front of shorthand's pants
06:17<fxiny>Supaplex: untu can't fit in my small brain :)
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06:19<Supaplex>i give up. gray matter don't want to stretch...
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06:20<fxiny>exactly ! all this g-phone will end as a big flop !
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06:57<alaya>my god this broswer is absolute shit
06:57<alaya>iceweasel crashing constantly
06:58<matth_>a friend encountered repetitive segfaults recently. I asked him to strace it and found out the disk was full.
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07:01<alaya>it could be some add-on i installed. i recently installed several.
07:01<JasonS>theres the culprit more then likely
07:01<alaya>still, clicking on the help menu shouldn't cause an app to crash
07:01<alaya>how an add-on could cause that i don't know
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07:02<alaya>mozilla scares me too much to rely on heavily
07:03<alaya>current window count in my other browser is 74, and often its much higher
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07:08<_spOOn_>anyone suggest a good antivirus for corporate linux desktops?
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07:08<dpkg>virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent. or a working version of windows without windows
07:08<Supaplex>oh, those. man I've never seen one in linux.
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07:09<Supaplex>i guess you could use clamav
07:09<_spOOn_>i know i know, but is corporate desktop, and cant afford a possible infection from windows box to linux box or something similar
07:10<_spOOn_>yeah, have had a read about clamav, but seems to say its more based at mailserver level
07:10<_spOOn_>was wondering if anyone could suggest more of desktop level avp, as desktop wont be running sort of services mail server would run
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07:12<alaya>"a possible infection from windows box to linux box" man what are you talking about???
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07:13<Supaplex>if you mount /tmp and /home as noexec it'll be astonishly difficult to run anything under control of the user (minus shell scripts and explicit calls to shell+script). rbash and other measures would lock it down further.
07:13<_spOOn_>windows box becomes infected, then virus moves over to linux box via samba share....
07:14<Supaplex>and no, I don't expect astonishly to be a real word.
07:14<_spOOn_>i assumed it might be possible, but obviously am just being anal
07:14<Supaplex>you realise the api calls are totally different.
07:14<_spOOn_>yeah i know, just cant afford for any possible chance of data loss
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07:15<Supaplex>then unplug the computers and keep them off, cut all data cables with lock cutters
07:15<_spOOn_>lol, true,
07:15<Supaplex>it's not about %0.0000000000000000000000 risk
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07:18<alaya>i'm wondering how you could be a sysadmin and actually believe that a virus could propagate from a windows to a linux box
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07:19<alaya>or who hired you to be responsible for their network in that capacity
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07:19<alaya>DoD maybe?
07:19[~]JasonS rereads what alaya just said about virus
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07:22<_spOOn_>i suggest you do some research before you attack the next person
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07:22<Supaplex>you can lessen possibilities, but you'll never be able to eliminate them
07:23<_spOOn_>true, and all i asked was some advise for a simple desktop av for linux, to help minimise the risk, but instead i got the usual b/s people get from people in here.
07:24<Supaplex>the safest computer is one that's off (not to mention physical security)
07:24<Supaplex>!tell _spOOn_ -about search
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07:24<_spOOn_>i totally agree, but it then becomes somewhat un-usable
07:24<Supaplex>ok, I'll lighten up :)
07:25<Supaplex>using noexec on /tmp and /home mountpoints will do alot, but it might break things to
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07:25<Supaplex>routinue scans can do alot to
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07:26<_spOOn_>yeah, i have been using clamav, but as i said before, it seems more based at a mailserver, and i have h/w avp for those. i just wanted a desktop solution....
07:26<_spOOn_>found this:
07:26<Supaplex>even famd+clamav would be a relatively seamless solution (allthough still prone to some issues).
07:26<_spOOn_>and was wondering if anyone had tried it, but guess not
07:26[~]_spOOn_ scratches head
07:27<Supaplex>!+info famd
07:27<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
07:27<dpkg>Package 'famd' does not exist.
07:27<Supaplex>famd (8) - The File Alteration Monitor (FAM) daemon
07:27<_spOOn_>yeah am also using rkhunter
07:27<Supaplex>uses kernel hooks
07:29<Supaplex>you have dispursed frequent backups right? on media that's not always present?
07:29<_spOOn_>yeah, nightly backups, and are taken off site, plus eom and eoy tapes that are stored for the last 7 years :)
07:29<_spOOn_>as i said, cant afford to loose data....
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07:30<Supaplex>it sounds like you have data backed up. good job.
07:30<Supaplex>mitigation :)
07:30<_spOOn_>lol, am glad i pass your test :)
07:32<Supaplex>too bad you're not local, or I'd bum time off your lto1 tape drive (if you had one). I have a tape I want restored.
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07:33<_spOOn_>yeah, we have two :)
07:33[~]Supaplex drools
07:33<Supaplex>what's your 20 anyway? :P
07:34<alaya>a good sysadmin should read that article and understand what it means, not react out of paranoia
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07:36<_spOOn_>alaya, do you really have nothing better to do, as i said, its possible, i want to minimise the risk, so a av on the linux desktop would *help* (not fix)
07:36<Whoppix27>hello together...
07:36<_spOOn_>can you get over the fact that you were wrong, and it is possible
07:36<alaya>that's more like an upper-mgmt type of reaction than one a linux sysadmin would have
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07:37<Supaplex>!+listkeys whoppix
07:37<dpkg>Factoid search of 'whoppix' by key (4): #debian whoppix ;; #debian-bots whoppix ;; whoppix ;; _default whoppix.
07:37<_spOOn_>oh, seriously, i guess the difference is its my arse on the line if something goes wrong, and im quite attached to my arse
07:37<Whoppix27>I come from Germanz - Deutschland
07:37<Supaplex>oh gosh.
07:37<alaya>i could see a few former bosses of mine (over)reacting about a potential win/linux hybrid virus based on an article like that and trying to get all the admins in a frenzy to implement some new security measures
07:37<Whoppix27>shit USA kezboard
07:37<Supaplex>Whoppix27: whoppix isn't debian btw. do you have a debian releated question?
07:38<Whoppix27>but it is based on
07:38<_spOOn_>do i seem like im in a frenzy? i just asked a simple question, and rather than answer it, you felt it necessary to have a go at me
07:38<JasonS>!based on
07:38<dpkg>Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> <Linux Mint> to name a few.
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07:39<Whoppix27>how can i configure kismet_
07:39<alaya>well you did say "a possible infection from windows box to linux box"
07:40<_spOOn_>yes, i did, if a windows box receives the email, it is possible (however un-likely) that it could infect a linuxbox user
07:40<alaya>as they said in the article, that hybrid was more a proof-of-concept than anything else
07:41<Whoppix27>if zou can not help me here where can i get help?
07:41<abrotman>##linux on
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07:41<alaya>there's also a #linux here
07:42<_spOOn_>yes, so again (and for the last time), i am simply trying to minimise my attack surface
07:42<abrotman>with 15 people ...
07:42<Whoppix27>thank zou verz much alaza
07:42<alaya>ah, true...
07:42<_spOOn_>i dont see why i should have to justify myself to you anyway, all i wanted was a "yes, i have used blah", or a "no, i havent used a desktop avp solution"
07:43<_spOOn_>but obviously you have something to prove....
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07:45<Supaplex>I'll admit _spOOn_ is apparently agressive in this desire, but also shows acceptance of reality. he'll have to figure out the middle ground on his own. (I'm sure he will)
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07:47<abrotman>he wants to know if someone would write a win32 virus to hunt for a vuln in linux boxes?
07:47<Whoppix27>a little bit crazy or?
07:47<Supaplex>the register already said so
07:48<Supaplex>sure, it's not a big threat. but what if. *shrug*
07:48<Whoppix27>thank you for help... the channel linux on this server seems to be empty
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07:50<toddy>any one knows about the configuring of the mldonkey?
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07:54<Req-Rajohan>how can i change owner of an folder from root to a user?
07:55<dpkg>i heard chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt
07:55<toddy>chown folder user
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07:56<Supaplex>!tell Req-Rajohan -about grounding
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07:56<Supaplex>(for future reference)
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07:57<Req-Rajohan>chown path/to/file username_i_want_to_be_the_owner?
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08:14<Guest1>Can someone help me ?¿? (German will be very good and english is ok but not the best for me )
08:14<Pepper>Guest1: just ask
08:15<Guest1>i have an gpg error and don't know how to fix it... it says me to update but that is no help
08:16<Pepper>Guest1: Where? on apt-get?
08:16<Pepper>Guest1: did you modified your sources.list?
08:17<Guest1>yes i modified them from my isp update servers to the german debian servers
08:17<Guest1>but the problem was there before i modified them
08:17<Pepper>Guest1: what's the error message
08:18<Guest1>it's in german
08:18<Guest1>W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: Unbekannter Fehler beim Ausführen von gpgv
08:18<Pepper>Guest1: ok for me
08:18<Guest1>W: GPG error: etch Release: Unbekannter Fehler beim Ausführen von gpgv
08:18<Guest1>W: Probieren Sie âapt-get updateâ, um diese Probleme zu korrigieren.
08:19<Pepper>Guest1: do you get this error in apt-get updated? or on upgrade?
08:19<Guest1>i get that on evry time when i try to use apt-get like install like update and upgrae
08:20<grochap>Guest1, you need to discover the gpg key of repository, or simple change it
08:21<oxymor00n>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring maybe?
08:21<Guest1>keyring is installed and needs no update »oxymor00n«
08:21<oxymor00n>i see
08:22<Guest1>grochap how to change or discover the key ?¿? i never had that problem bevor and don't know what to do
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08:23<Pepper>Guest1: is gpgv installed?
08:23<grochap>Guest1, change the repository, use another
08:24<Guest1>yes it is Pepper
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08:27<Pepper>Guest1: did you updated from an older version of debian or is this a new install?
08:28<Guest1>i installed my system new from my root ISP, i dont know of update or new install... i think they are idiots on that support :(
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08:29<Guest1>they say "it is your problem if you changed some configurations from us" and nothing else :(
08:29<Supaplex>!etch key
08:29<dpkg># apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update
08:29<grochap>Guest1, this warning is not an error, your apt are running, but He can't locate the gpg key of repository
08:30<Guest1>how can i update that key ?¿?
08:30<dpkg>from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
08:31<Supaplex>Guest1: try that again, but with LANG=C apt-get update
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08:31<Supaplex>Guest1: and show me at instead of here
08:33<Guest1>ok here is the no paste link @ Supaplex -
08:33<Supaplex>thank you
08:34<Supaplex>Guest1: is gpgv in your path?
08:34<Guest1>if i run "apt-ge update" i get the same error
08:35<Supaplex>run this: which gpgv
08:35<Guest1>i don't know where i can look for it
08:35<Guest1># which gpgv
08:35<Guest1># which gpgv
08:35<Supaplex>ok. not installed.
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08:36<Supaplex>oh there it is.
08:36<Pepper>Guest1: have you tried apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg?
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08:36<Supaplex>or apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update
08:37<Guest1>i tried that apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update but i did nothing new and the same error was there i'll try apt-key add
08:37<Guest1># apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
08:37<Guest1>gpg: key 6070D3A1 was created 27423111 seconds in the future (time warp or clock problem)
08:37<Guest1>gpg: key 6070D3A1 was created 27423111 seconds in the future (time warp or clock problem)
08:37<Guest1>gpg: key 6070D3A1: no valid user IDs
08:37<Guest1>gpg: key ADB11277 was created 21898943 seconds in the future (time warp or clock problem)
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08:38<Pepper>now try apt-get update
08:39<Guest1>same error
08:40<Supaplex>date --set="Sun Aug 5 13:39:17 UTC 2007"
08:40<Supaplex>it's a little behind, but not 27423111 seconds :P
08:41<Supaplex>or rdate
08:42<Guest1>damn it the server time blows out that problem
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08:46<jobbe>anyone know how to use SSH?
08:47<JasonS>jobbe: a little less vague a question please
08:47<Supaplex>!anyone use ssh
08:47<dpkg>No, no one uses ssh, not even the people who use it.
08:47<jobbe>well i need remote administration for my server
08:48<JasonS>uh huh
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08:50<Pepper>jobbe: what is the question?
08:50<Supaplex>sounds like he wants to install ssh.
08:51<Pepper>Suppaplex: i don't think so.
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08:51<JasonS>they want to admin thier server with it but thats a pretty wide open statement
08:52<Supaplex>!tell jobbe -about smart questions
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08:53<jobbe>yep i wanna install and use ssh
08:54<ifvoid>aptitude install ssh
08:54<ifvoid>it's called openssh-client nowadays
08:54<ifvoid>or -server
08:54<Supaplex>ssh depends on openssh-client+openssh-server doesn't it?
08:55<ifvoid>ah, yes, indeed
08:55<Supaplex>Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server
08:55<jobbe>installing ssh-server on my server
08:55<Pepper>jobbe: and read if it's connected to the internet
08:56<ifvoid>jobbe: you probably also want something like fail2ban
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08:56<ifvoid>jobbe: and use pubkey auth, and hard passwords
08:56<ifvoid>lots of zombies out there nowadays that try to brute force ssh access
08:57<jobbe>well i dont have any port's in my router so they can't acces my server
08:57<ifvoid>ah ok
08:57<jobbe>or i have not forwarde any ports
08:57<jobbe>so it's safe
08:57<ifvoid>if it's not connected to the internet, it's not a proble, of course
08:57<jobbe>not internet only lan
08:58<Aleksej>I've found that a Cherry CyMoMa Linux keyboard is being sold "here" for US$42.80. Cherry's and its partners' and other sites with that keyboard have typos, old years, or poorly navigable -- not that it matters now that I've found it, even if I don't know if I'm going to buy it, but... are its drivers libre? What is the state of its support? I've found things like and http://www.t
08:59<Aleksej>the latter is , sorry, it got broken up in my XChat
08:59<GhostlyDeath>!damn XChat
08:59[~]dpkg sends XChat to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
09:01<GhostlyDeath>that document makes no sense
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09:01<GhostlyDeath>but I changed de to en and now it does make sense
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09:08<guillaume>Got an error with eclipse start under java-6 under lenny amd64. Can someone help me with it ?
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09:09<GhostlyDeath>guillaume, where you online when you did this?
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09:11<guillaume>GhostlyDeath: yes
09:13<guillaume>GhostlyDeath: i see that somme people recommend to use eclipse 3.3 with jvm 6
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09:14<Aleksej_>christianna`: don't spam, please
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09:15<guillaume>GhostlyDeath: but i wanna use it for php development so I need PHPeclipse but it doesn't work on 3.3 ...
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09:16<GhostlyDeath>don't know
09:17<kevc>debconf on you tube seems to want to associate videos involving absinthe
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09:18<GhostlyDeath>hey does Debian have hybrid sleep like in Windows?
09:18<ifvoid>hybrid sleep?
09:18<ifvoid>what's that?
09:18<SamWeasley>Someone could say me with, when I plug my mp4 player, I receive a error from a security policy?
09:18<GhostlyDeath>Combination of Hibernation and Sleep
09:18<ifvoid>GhostlyDeath: ?
09:18<GhostlyDeath>Saves the session to disk then goes on standby
09:18<guillaume>GhostlyDeath: hibernate ?
09:18<ifvoid>that makes no sense
09:19<ifvoid>I doubt that windows has it
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09:19<GhostlyDeath>does have it
09:19<ifvoid>GhostlyDeath: that's just hibernation
09:20<GhostlyDeath>it is but it doesn't power the PC off
09:20<GhostlyDeath>suppossidly you can wake up from it but it won't wake up - I have to power off then back on
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09:20<GhostlyDeath>but my session is still there
09:20<ifvoid>just hibernation with an S3 shutdown
09:20<ifvoid>yes, that's possible
09:20<ifvoid>at least with suspend2
09:21<GhostlyDeath>afaik Vista and possibly Server "Longhorn" have Hybrid sleep
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09:21<GhostlyDeath>Still gotta set up sleeping and hibernation on linux
09:22<simon888>!fuck xchat
09:22<GhostlyDeath>I use XChat-GNOME because it's way better than Pidgin and XChat
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09:23<dpkg>rumour has it, fuck is cool
09:23<GhostlyDeath>I hate it for the same reason of those X ScreenSavers
09:23<simon888>lol, who has been fucking with the bot?
09:23<fxiny>you !
09:23<SamWeasley>Someone could say me with, when I plug my mp4 player, I receive a error from a security policy?
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09:24<GhostlyDeath>they got mp4 players now?
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09:25<SamWeasley>it's a mp3 with video
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09:27<SamWeasley>Previously the mp4 mounted in my debian, but didn't maintained mounted
09:27<SamWeasley>Now, with a new debian in my notebook, neither this.. :'(
09:27<GhostlyDeath>what arch?
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09:30<SamWeasley>Really, a Core 2 Duo lap
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09:31<SamWeasley>I don't use 64 bits actually
09:31<GhostlyDeath>but you can
09:31<SamWeasley>I know
09:31<GhostlyDeath>I do in Linux but not in Windows
09:31<SamWeasley>I only prefer this
09:31<fxiny>good , just load 32bit on the 64 donkey
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09:33<simon888>fxiny, not me
09:34<fxiny>simon888: do you prefere a dingo ? :P
09:34<simon888>!slap fxiny
09:34[~]dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across fxiny's face
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09:36[~]fxiny didgeridoo(es?) "who killed bamboo" to simon444
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09:37<fxiny>simon888: why 888 today ?
09:38<GhostlyDeath>I wonder how I could flash my BIOS...
09:38<simon888>because I'm 24 today
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09:39<fxiny>simon888: do not ask for a present !
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09:43<brian_>i have just install debian
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09:45<Pepper>brian_: welcome :-)
09:48<brian_>i like to let window pc see my linux system
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09:49<ifvoid>brian_: install samba
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09:54<brian_>it seams to be working
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09:55<guillaume>why did I get eclipse 3.2.1-6 in aptitude and reportbug return a 3.2.2-1 version ??? I do a full-upgrade but can get this version under lenny
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09:55<brian_>it can see the system but cant see a file
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10:02<brian_>i have just installed debain and need some help
10:03<simon888>!just ask
10:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:03<simon888>shit... forgot how long that is
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10:04<GhostlyDeath>Guys I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___.
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10:05<brian_>its a great system
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10:07<GhostlyDeath>I really need compression for my Ext3 drive...
10:08<simon888>GhostlyDeath, _____
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10:08<GhostlyDeath>simon888, I tried that but it still gives me ___.
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10:09<GhostlyDeath>!damn ___
10:09[~]dpkg sends ___ to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
10:10<dpkg>i guess ___ is fill in the blank
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10:12<dennis_>Hi there, I'm trying to get beryl with Aiglx. only thing is i have a ATI card and aiglx gives this error
10:12<dennis_>woops brb
10:13<dennis_>i get this error AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 ,
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10:52<assem>hey guys, any gtk programming channels on irc?
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10:53<gravity>assem: You'll probably want to go on
10:53<assem>^^ aight thanks
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11:21<bighornram>does anyone know the package name for the rtl8187 module source?
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11:22<Supaplex>dpkg -i fresh-wellrested-eyeballs
11:22<dpkg>package fresh-wellrested-eyeballs is already installed
11:22<Supaplex>liar! these feel like day old ones.
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11:23<fxiny>fried fresh eyeballs ?
11:23<Supaplex>uh no
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11:30<fragge>How do I backup my encrypted dvd as an image?
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11:31<Supaplex>dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.bin ?
11:31<ssb>Supaplex, this won't work
11:32<Daemon-->where do i put iptables in etch?
11:32<fxiny>cp /dev/cdrom image.iso ?
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11:33<Supaplex>ssb: so what will?
11:33<Supaplex>fragge: encrypted in what way?
11:33<fragge>Decss i think
11:33<fxiny>say it all
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11:37[~]fxiny watches RMS talking about Alice ....
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11:39<fxiny>i found it today floating on a stream ...
11:40<fxiny>Supaplex: yeahhh : he said "hummMMmmm" hahahah :))
11:40<fxiny>indeed : now is talking about a guy in Finland ...
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11:52<Daemon-->where do i put iptables in etch?
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11:53<petemc>Daemon--: you've been told to read section 3 of the iptables readme, why is that so hard?
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11:54<Daemon-->cos i dont understand it
11:54<Daemon-->it may seem easy to you but i dont get it
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11:55<petemc>put your script in /etc/init.d/ , run update-rc.d yourscript start 40 S . stop 89 0 6 .
11:55<Daemon-->omg - thank you so much
11:55<petemc>thats from the readme
11:55<Daemon-->do i call my script whatever i want?
11:55<Daemon-->what does the start 40 S do?
11:56<Daemon-->and the stop 89 0 6?
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11:56<petemc>man update-rc.d
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11:57<Daemon-->i run man update-rc.d after those other commands or before?
11:57<Daemon-->does my script name need an extnsion?
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11:58<petemc>Daemon--: no
11:58<Daemon-->ok when do i run man update-rc.d?
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11:59<Daemon-->ok running it now
11:59<Daemon-->ahh its a manual
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12:03<Daemon-->ok ive no idea what its telling me...... if run "chmod +x iptables" then "update-rc.d iptables start 40 S . stop 89 0 6" , will this start my script and have it start automatically on boot?
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12:05<petemc>think you missed a period at the end there..
12:05<Daemon-->but that will do the job?
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12:06<Daemon-->i found this on the web "update-rc.d rc.firewall defaults 19" what the difference?
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12:08<yos87>when I connect my usb hdd, I cannot write on it, it say no permission, what sould I edit on my fstab file ?
12:09<petemc>Daemon--: see section 3 of the iptables readme
12:09<borfast>hi everyone. I'm trying to get postfix+dovecot working on a VPS with Etch. I have postfix receving the mail but I can't seem to configure the darn thing to deliver it to Maildirs on each user's home directory. I tried using procmail and maildrop (configured in /etc/postfix/ without success. The only time it did deliver to the users' Maildirs was when I tried Dovecot's delivery mechanism but then I was getting the mail both on users' Maildirs and on
12:09<borfast> /var/spool/mail (in mbox format) which I do not want (I only want users' Maildirs so I can control their quota). It's driving me crazy, so please, can someone guide me through this nightmare?
12:09<Daemon-->where is the iptables readme?
12:09<petemc> /usr/share/doc/iptables/
12:09<borfast>(oops... sorry for the long talk... didn't realize I had written so much)
12:10<Daemon-->petemc - where the exact readme file i need? there's loads in /usr/share/doc/iptables/html
12:12<petemc>zless README.Debian.gz
12:12<simon888>yos87, Yosef!
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12:13<yos87>simon888: simon, how are you
12:13<simon888>how are you?
12:13<dpkg>peachy, simon888
12:13<yos87>simon888: i'm fine , Thanks for care
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12:15<Daemon-->petemc - tht file doesnt exist
12:15<Daemon-->keymaster:/usr/share/doc/iptables# dir
12:15<Daemon-->changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright html
12:17<IMC>greetings new to Debian from FreeBSD and looking for a little help
12:18<Mankod>IMC, welcome :)
12:18<IMC>thank you
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12:19<simon888>IMC, why?
12:19<Fill>good afternoon
12:20<IMC>just got a deicated server exportal but with no compiler, dpgk and little confused
12:20<formorer>if there is no dpkg it broken or not a debian system
12:21<IMC>hmm that would make sense
12:21<Daemon-->petemc - can i just ask if that run command you gave me actually starts the script or tell it to be run from next boot?
12:21<petemc>its to start it at boot
12:22<Fill>I have an FTP server, and I need to give access to 2 different users to a folder on my home directory. One of that users, is my account, the other is the username that is going to be used to connect to the FTP server. Now, i have some problems with file permissions. If the other user connects to my server and uploads a file, I have full access to it - I can write, read, etc... but if I change that file or create a new one,
12:22<Fill>he is even unable to download the files
12:22<Fill>*the file
12:22<Fill>It tells permission denied
12:22<Fill>I created a new users group with my username and his username
12:22<Fill>then, chmod -R 770 directory
12:23<Fill>but no way, the problem is, now when I create a new file, the owner is my username - ok - but the owner group is the same as my username, and I wanted it to be the users group I created
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12:24<Fill>I don't know what to do, does anyone have any idea?
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12:26<Daemon-->ok petemc - thanks for your help, i presume if i read this redme file it will tell me how to start it now as well or i'll have to reboot my server to get it running will i?
12:26<fxiny>set gid on that dir ?
12:26<fxiny>Fill: ^^^
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12:27<petemc>Daemon--: where did you get your iptables script?
12:28<Fill>how do I do that
12:28<Fill>I'm newbie
12:28<Daemon-->petemc -
12:28<Daemon-->just added a few extra rules for my specfic ports i wanted opening on which ip
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12:29<fxiny>Fill: if i tell you a line you won't learn .best way is to google for "set gid" or "unix file permisions"
12:29<Fill>ok I'll try it
12:29<Fill>let me search
12:29<fxiny>Fill: np
12:30<petemc>Daemon--: you can run scripts by cd'ing to the directory they're in and typing ./rc.firewall
12:30<petemc>or using the full path /etc/init.d/rc.firewall
12:30<Daemon-->ok but i only need to do this once do i cos if i ever reboot the server it will start automatically?
12:30<petemc>if you have it set to start at boot, yes
12:31<petemc>which you can do with update-rc.d
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12:31<Daemon-->well i ran that command you said before
12:31<petemc>ok then
12:31<Daemon-->Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/iptables ...
12:31<Daemon-->/etc/rc0.d/K89iptables -> ../init.d/iptables
12:31<Daemon-->/etc/rc6.d/K89iptables -> ../init.d/iptables
12:31<Daemon-->/etc/rcS.d/S40iptables -> ../init.d/iptables
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12:31<Daemon-->whoops, sorry
12:32<Daemon-->ok well if what i showed u there is correct im good to go, thank you very much for your help petemc
12:32<Daemon-->its much appreciated :)
12:32<petemc>assuming the script works ok..
12:33<Daemon-->hmm actually dont think it does
12:33<Daemon-->its saying its not fining my ips
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12:34<Daemon-->dont suppose you could have a quick look at the script for me please?
12:34<bighornram>how do I unload a kernel module?
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12:37<Daemon-->petemc - ive run it and its blocking everying
12:37<Daemon-->omething is seriously wrong
12:37<Daemon-->how do i stop it?
12:38<Daemon-->holy shit
12:38<Daemon-->im locked out of ssh
12:38<Daemon-->please help
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12:38<bighornram>frank: thanks
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12:39<petemc>iptables -F , iptables -X , iptables -t nat -F , iptables -t nat -X
12:39<petemc>Daemon--: dont run random scripts you find on the internet
12:39<Daemon-->how do i get it
12:40<petemc>the box is remote?
12:40<frank>serial console
12:40<Daemon-->whats that?
12:40<Daemon-->its stopped my webserver, ssh, game server everything
12:41<frank>why do you run a script without knowing what it does
12:41<Daemon-->cos someone looked at it for me before and said it looks fine
12:43<Daemon-->is there a way i can get my box back?
12:44<Daemon-->can i show one of you the script then you might see whats happened?
12:45<frank>if you already added the script (without testing ..) to startup, then there's only serial console, or backup restore, or asking the local support to fix that for you
12:45<frank>if not in startup, just reboot
12:45<Daemon-->errm petemc showed me how to add it in from boot
12:46<petemc>advice from petemc comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
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12:47<petemc>to the extent permitted by applicable law.
12:48<Daemon-->im not blaming you buddy, still happy you helped me, just saying yeah its on boot
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12:49<Daemon-->would someone mind checkin out my script to see wahts gone wrong?
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12:50<petemc>Daemon--: if its the rc.firewall script you posted earlier, thats a complicated script
12:51<Daemon-->well i made some slight changes to it
12:51<Daemon-->but yes it is
12:51<petemc>do you have anyone at the location of your remote box to type a few commands for you?
12:51<Daemon-->no its in a secure network data center
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12:51<petemc>then you're kinda snookered
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12:52<Daemon-->i can request a reboot but its definately set to run from boot aint it?
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12:52<petemc>going by what you pasted..
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12:54<zero_>hello, i have dev intel pro wireless 2200gb and, my debian no think
12:54<zero_>how can i install?
12:55<matth_>zero_: there are binaries availaible, ipw2200-modules-2.6-$ARCH
12:56<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
12:56[~]petemc waves at udo
12:56<udo> hi petemc
12:56<udo>nice pic
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12:57<udo>where are you from?
12:58<udo>I from Toledo (Spain)
12:58<udo>I'm from Toledo (Spain)
12:58<petemc>very nice
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12:59<fxiny>a blade runner then ...
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12:59<udo>warmer than warm
12:59<petemc>its wetter than wet here
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12:59<petemc>tho, its not flooded..
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13:07<udo>msg petemc hi
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13:22<kb3ie1>i seed to install grub to a secondary atapi disk (hda) its already installed on the primary /dev/hdc. I used `grub-install --recheck /dev/hda` This advanced me from having no bootblocks at all to getting an error "GRUB Hard Disk Error" followed by NO LINEFFED and catatonia.
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13:26<alexalex>how do i kick someone
13:26<alexalex>ive tried
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13:26<alexalex>rcon <password> kick #122
13:26<alexalex>but its not working
13:26<alexalex>and ive tried 1232
13:27<alexalex>and the ip
13:27<alexalex>and the name of the client
13:27<alexalex>actually better yet, how do i clean his company>?
13:28<alexalex>wrong chan lol
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13:29<simon888>Ganneff, your still opped
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13:34<Myon>alexalex: try to hit enter less often
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13:41<simon888>hey y'all
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13:42<bl4de>away I'm not here right now
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13:43<Myon>Anon: no ads please
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13:53<robo>hi, I run unstable and I'm getting this error from aptitude: pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: gaupol needs unavailable runtime (>=2.5)
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13:56<dondelelcaro>robo: you don't have python2.5 installed, apparently.
13:58<robo>dondelelcaro: I do.. aptitude fetched it as a dependency... 2.5.1-3
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14:00<zero_>hello, i'm try to do wireless 2200gb intel pro...
14:00<zero_>i install the drivers
14:01<zero_>but not find interface
14:01<zero_>somebody can help me?
14:01<dondelelcaro>robo: hrm; not sure then; could be a bug in python central, though I don't see it.
14:02<dondelelcaro>robo: you've got python2.5-minimal too, right? all at -3?
14:02<dondelelcaro>robo: and dpkg -l says that it's configured?
14:02<robo>dondelelcaro: yea, i suspect python-central too... i've upgraded it and now i get a python stacktrace when installing gaupol. oh oh
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14:03<dondelelcaro>robo: well, there are some severity serious bugs against python-central; see if what you're seeing matches up with one of them.
14:03<dondelelcaro>robo: if not, file another one
14:05<matth_>zero_: someone already replied you ~1h10 ago
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14:06<udo>ps ax
14:06<zero_>ok, i do
14:06<zero_>but don all rigth
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14:08<robo>dondelelcaro: i'll try upgrading the python package.. it either fixes the problem or...
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14:08<robo>i don't want to imagine the other option :)
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14:10<leonid>is there anybody?
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14:11<dondelelcaro>ah yes... drive by questions
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14:11<skyle>hey, sorry to intrude, but I'm having a problem that I can't solve through researching online, I have 13 scsi disks connected and they all register just fine in /proc/scsi but there are only /dev/sda to /dev/sdh, how do I get /dev/sdi-m to show up? thanks!
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14:12<robo>skyle: are you using udev?
14:12<skyle>I'm sorry, what's that?
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14:13<robo>skyle: mount|grep udev
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14:13<robo>skyle: if you get nothing than I think you just need to mknod all the missing nodes
14:14<robo>skyle: man mknod
14:14<skyle>ok great, thank you so much robo
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14:16<robo>ok, back to my gaupol problem... now the package installs.. but i get ImportError: No module named gtk when i start the program..
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14:17<daniel2>hi guys, just finished a install of debian and its online.. but how do i start up the sshd so i can acs it externally?
14:18<Berge>daniel2: Install openssh-server.
14:18<daniel2>oh is it not there by default?
14:18<Berge>Depends. Which probably is a no (-:
14:18<daniel2>how do i use the pkg manager to install it? im new to debian
14:18<Berge>At a terminal: aptitude install openssh-server
14:19<Berge>You can also use one of many graphical front-ends. Try synaptic, for instance.
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14:20<daniel2>trying now, thx berge
14:20<Berge>No problem (-:
14:20<zero_>matth_, hey can u help ?
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14:24<amphi>zero_: have you installed the firmware?
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14:24<zero_>i'm instaling in this moment
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14:25<zero_>i'm doing download
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14:26<daniel2>cool thx berge, how do i make ssh start by default on boot?
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14:26<amphi>zero_: good idea ;)
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14:28<robo>daniel2: it will start by default
14:29<daniel2>it didnt just now..
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14:32<robo>daniel2: and you have a "standard" install? anything special about it?
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14:33<daniel2>std install
14:34<robo>then sshd should start up on boot once it was installed sucessfuly
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14:51<Berge>daniel2: Sorry, I was away for a bit. Seems you got an answer from robo, though.
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15:04<Fill>I have an FTP server, and I need to give access to 2 different users to a folder on my home directory. One of that users, is my account, the other is the username that is going to be used to connect to the FTP server. Now, i have some problems with file permissions. If the other user connects to my server and uploads a file, I have full access to it - I can write, read, etc... but if I change that file or create a new one,
15:05<Fill>he is even unable to download the files
15:05<Fill>*the file
15:05<Fill>it tells permission deined
15:05<Fill>then, chmod -R 770 directory
15:05<Fill>but no way, the problem is, now when I create a new file, the owner is my username - ok - but the owner group is the same as my username, and I wanted it to be the users group I created
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15:06<robo>Fill: that's what suid bit is used for on directories
15:06<Fill>what you mean
15:06<robo>Fill: chmod g+s directory
15:06<Fill>what should I do
15:07<Fill>what's +s for?
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15:08<matth_>or well sticky
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15:10<peterS>sticky is technically "t" though
15:10<peterS>Fill: g+s on a directory means that newly created files inside the directory will inherit the group ID from the directory itself
15:11<Fill>I see
15:11<Fill>that's the problem
15:11<Fill>you see
15:11<Fill>All the files i put there
15:11<Fill>are owned by a group that is the same as muy name
15:11<peterS>Fill: stop hitting Enter until you finish your thought. typing 2 words on each line is really annoying for us to try and follow
15:12<Fill>and I wanted it to be owned by the other group I belong to
15:12<Fill>ok, sorry
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15:12<peterS>Fill: so you chgrp the directory and the files in it, and chmod g+s the directory, and then new files will get the group of the directory
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15:12<Fill>I have no access to the machine now :(
15:12<Fill>I'll try it in a few minutes.
15:13<Fill>thx a lot
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15:13<matth_>peterS: yep true, totally wrong on that one.
15:14<peterS>matth_: doesn't matter really - he asked what it was for, not what the letter represents. (:
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15:15<simon888>!tell fill about enter
15:15<peterS>simon888: you're a couple minutes late. I told him already.
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15:15<Fill>==> Blocked query from dpkg.
15:15<Fill>but understood, I am really sorry
15:15<simon888>peterS, I am still scrolling down
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15:16<peterS>simon888: best not to try to fire off responses when you haven't read the whole session. you run a high risk of saying something that somebody else already said.
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15:18<aneb>kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -i openttd-0.5.2-2-i386.deb
15:18<aneb>dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0016' near line 22 package `xfonts-100dpi':
15:18<aneb> EOF during value of field `Description' (missing final newline)
15:18<aneb>What's that mean?
15:19<peterS>aneb: sounds like a corrupt file
15:19<aneb>how do i fix it?
15:19<Fill>you don't
15:19<Fill>if it is corrupted, try to get a new one
15:19<peterS>aneb: or, maybe whoever built the package did something wrong
15:20<aneb>doubt it
15:20<peterS>aneb: where did you get that .deb file? the debian archive only has 0.5.2-1
15:20<simon888>aneb, apt-get install openttd
15:20<peterS>aneb: also, Debian archive .deb files don't use that naming convention
15:20<simon888>aneb, what debian version are you using?
15:20<aneb>peterS: the file didn't cause the parse error
15:20<simon888>aneb, want to keep this in #openttd
15:21<Fill>google it
15:21<peterS>aneb: what makes you think the file didn't cause the parse error?
15:21<aneb>simon888: all right
15:22<aneb>peterS: from there.
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15:26<Apollo>I am not getting audio on you tube and other streaming media. I am getting video but not audio. I have no problem with audio on DVD's or cd's.
15:27<streuner>do you use flash stuff non-free or free?
15:27<streuner>out of*
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15:29<lumat>good evening - do you know why the installer prefers to install LILO instead of Grub for a SW RAID1+LVM system (2 disks)?
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15:30<streuner>no, the plugin itselfs, its that from adobe or from debian?
15:30<lumat>I mean, the "grub" - option is not available from the installer
15:30<Berge>lumat: What architecture are you on?
15:30<Apollo>i recently installed from non-free adobe
15:30<lumat>Core Duo, 2 SATA DDMs
15:30<formorer>grub can't boot from sw raid 1
15:30<Berge>lumat: Are you using Etch?
15:30<Berge>formorer: Yes, it can.
15:31<lumat>wanted to SW Mirror them and put a vg on it for future needs
15:31<streuner>Apollo: well, complain to adobe then :-)
15:31<formorer>Berge: does the installer know this?
15:31<lumat>yes, etch
15:31<Berge>formorer: Yes.
15:31<Berge>lumat: Ah, dunno about LVM, though.
15:31<streuner>Apollo: you could just use "youtube-dl"
15:31<Berge>I don't know wether GRUB can boot with / mounted on an LVM.
15:31<lumat>the boot manager should basically be aware of SW RAID & LVM, thought grub would handle it with ease
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15:32<lumat>haven't used LILO for years now, so feeling somehow incomfortable
15:32<Apollo>i'm not complaining, just wondering why when i upgraded i lost streaming audio
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15:32<lumat>I'll ask the grub boys
15:33<Apollo>thanx for the help, i'll keep plugging along.
15:33<Apollo>i'm starting a new class in a couple weeks
15:34<Apollo>on linux redhat fedora 3
15:34<Apollo>i already have it installed on this computer on another hardrive
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15:34<Apollo>actually it is fedora 5
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15:34<streuner>Why do you tell us that?
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15:35<lumat>thank you meanwhile, Berge!
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15:35<Berge>lupine: No problem. I'm fairly sure Grub can't boot from LVM, I'm afraid.
15:35<Berge>lupine: s/luptine/lumat/
15:35<Apollo>well i can use the fedora class (that also uses apt) to help me
15:36<Berge>ah, disappeared.
15:36<simon888>peterS, btw that guy was running ubuntu... his xfont package is broken
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15:38<Metalqga>has anyone tried this installer ?
15:38<Metalqga>i've recommended it to a wannabe linux user but have never tried it
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15:43<ele_linux^laptop>her is is a wallpapper i made if you want enjoy :P
15:43<simon888>linux nudity
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15:44<simon888>cover up those symbols
15:44<Metalqga>i hope you used gimp
15:44<ele_linux^laptop>yes :P
15:46<simon888>Metalqga, why?
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15:46<simon888>is this some type of cult
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15:47<Metalqga>it's the smell of freedom
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15:51<haier>hi everybody !!
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15:56<prower>Hi :> I'm trying to m-a auto-install the nvidia drivers, but it says that there's no installation candidate for nvidia-kernel-source? I have all the repositories enabled
15:56<haier>can you tell me how to add a sound that plays every start of my gnome session ??
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15:59<chealer>prower: which Debian suite do you use?
15:59<prower>chealer: Testing currently
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16:00<Magnus>hi there
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16:00<chealer>prower: the nvidia drivers were removed from testing. you need to use the drivers and Linux from stable or unstable.
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16:00<prower>chealer: Oh, I see :/ That's odd...oh well, thanks
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16:04<simon888>chealer, why?
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16:04<lumat>hello again ... think I got it:
16:04<zero_>some body think about to use the compiz
16:04<chealer>simon888: because they didn't work with testing's Linux, so they're considered unusable in testing.
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16:05<lumat>the Debian etch installer chooses LILO instead of grub on a RIAD1+LVM
16:05<zero_>my system is KDE / DEBIAN
16:05<simon888>I see
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16:05<Berge>lumat: How come?
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16:05<lumat>the Debian etch installer chooses LILO instead of grub on a RAID1+LVM boot setup because grub seems not to be able to boot LVM2
16:05<antgel>this gentoo install sucks
16:06<Berge>lumat: But LILO is? That's a bit odd, really.
16:06<Berge>lumat: But good thing you found out, I didn't know (-:
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16:08<lumat>hmmm .. on the other side there are grub installations which are able to boot LVM2 ... possible grub2 ones
16:08<dpkg>somebody said lilo was the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of (who isn't named after the LInux LOader)
16:08<Berge>Isn't lilo (the person) MIA?
16:08<Berge>Or ill, or something?
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16:09<formorer>he is dead
16:09<army>hasn't lilo moved to the other side?
16:09<Berge>Oh, that bad.
16:09<lumat>other == "dark" ?
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16:10<simon888>lilo is dead
16:10<amphi>Berge: he joined the Great Majority some time back
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16:10<Berge>amphi: ah
16:10<ele_linux^laptop>Metalqga:her is 2 more gimp is nice :P
16:11<army>lumat: that is part of you personal believe, sorry
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16:12<army>are there some DD here who are working on selinux for debian?
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16:12<Metalqga>the last one is quite spectacular photo
16:13<Metalqga>but 800x600 looks bad on my monitor
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16:14<lumat>ele_linux^laptop: where is this wall? This isn't El Cap?
16:14<ele_linux^laptop>hmm i chould change that it 1280x1024
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16:15<lumat>Southern Norway?
16:15<zero_>some body use beryl or compiz? i need help to use
16:16<Berge>lumat: /wii lumat
16:16<Berge>Eh, ups.
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16:17<Berge>zero_: Probably better just to ask your question, somebody will answer if they can and will (-:
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16:17<antgel>from the gentoo handbook: "Manually configuring a kernel is often seen as the most difficult procedure a Linux user ever has to perform."
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16:17<antgel>i cannot explain in words what an eye-opener this is
16:18<zero_>Berge, i down compiz, but i not think about to use
16:18<ele_linux^laptop>actually find the wallpicture somewhere i dont rember where only put in debianlogo there :(
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16:18<Berge>zero_: Sorry, I didn't get understand that. And I'm probably of no use regarding Compiz, I'm afraid.
16:19<Berge>lumat: By the way, that last image could certainly be Norway, but likely not the southern parts (-: More further west.
16:19<Berge>(Could be anywhere, though.)
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16:20<Zooby>does anybody here have etch ?
16:20<Zooby>working well ?.
16:20<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
16:20[~]lumat got lots of etches
16:20<Zooby>i need a sources.list
16:20<Zooby>for etch
16:21<Zooby>everytime i try one of google results it crashes my dpkg db
16:21<Zooby>i don'
16:21<Zooby>i don't understand why
16:21<antgel>Zooby: do you have any idea what you are doing?
16:21<army>show us the problem
16:21<Myon>and define "crashes"
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16:22<Zooby>hmm actualy i'm re-installing linux
16:22<Zooby>so i can't show you
16:22<antgel>!tell Zooby about enter
16:22<Myon>Zooby: consider running a mem tester
16:22<Zooby>how do i do that ?
16:22<Myon>chances are there's one one the etch cd
16:22<army>then you will hit the part configures sources.list
16:23<witte>!tell Zooby about sources.list
16:23<Myon>if not, grab a grml cd
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16:23<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment.
16:23<Zooby>nice tools you have there xD
16:24<antgel>that's what she said
16:25<Zooby>Myon when you talk about memory testing. What memory Hard disk ?
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16:26<streuner>not HD
16:26<streuner>good luck
16:26<Zooby>yeah i need a lot of this :D
16:26<streuner>keep in mind "memtest" needs serveral hours
16:27<Zooby>hmmm ok
16:27<streuner>so best, start it during night
16:28<MBR>anyone one know when adobe is going to release a amd64 bit compatible version of flash
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16:29<streuner>ask adobe, How should we know about the plans of adobe...
16:29<MBR>just wondering if anyone heard any thing..
16:29<Berge>MBR: has some hints.
16:29<lupine>MBR: shortly after hell freezes over, and bacon starts being delivered direct to your sandwiches via carrier pigeon
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16:32<army>MBR: maybe is gnash something for you
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16:33<streuner>hm, maybe youtube-dl
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16:33<lupine>gnash Doesn't Work Yet
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16:33<streuner>!info youtube-dl
16:33<dpkg>youtube-dl: (download videos from, section web, is extra. Version: 2007.06.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB
16:33<lupine>at least, not the version in lenny
16:38<antgel>according to "it actually works well in many cases."
16:40<ingmar_>I don't know what this is, but my system seems kinda "slow" like windows opening shocking, applications halting ...
16:40<ingmar_>whily me system shoul be able to cope fine
16:40<ingmar_>1,7 pentium M 2GB ram
16:41<antgel>ingmar_: top?
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16:41<ingmar_>gaim and xorg like 5% max
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16:42<antgel>ingmar_: are all applications slow? logs? memtest?
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16:43<ingmar_>yeah all are slow
16:43<ingmar_>memory is fine
16:43<ingmar_>(how do I check the logs?)
16:44<antgel>ingmar_: paste output of free?
16:44<antgel>ingmar_: logs in /var/log. you ran memtest and you don't know that?
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16:44<ingmar_>ran memtest from another boot application
16:45<ingmar_>is free
16:46<army>lupine: 0.8.0 isn't perfect, but it works
16:46<lupine>army: lenny is 0.7.2 :D
16:46<army>sid isn't
16:46<lupine>!info gnash sid
16:46<dpkg>gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1 (sid), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
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16:49<ingmar_>antgel, any suggestions?
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16:50<antgel>ingmar_: yes, ^^
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16:53<ingmar_>care to tell me?
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16:56<antgel>ingmar_: i did. check the logs
16:57[~]ingmar_ doesn't know how, me is a noob
16:57<dpkg>logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/
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16:57<ingmar_>ok but which ones
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16:59<antgel>ingmar_: start with syslog
17:00<ingmar_>and look for?
17:00<ingmar_>nano doesn't supply me with red warning signs
17:00<antgel>problems, issues etc
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17:02<ingmar_>nope, no errors, only like me eth1 acting up as it is not connected
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17:02<ingmar_>bleh, that's stuff to resolve tomorrow
17:02<ben_goodger>mine does that... except it only affects port 80, and only while I'm using bittorrent
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17:07<mr_flea>can someone help me with building madwifi from the lenny distribution?
17:08<cantormath>does anyone know what premissions debian-sys-main is suppose to have, I just hosed the user?
17:08<cantormath>in mysql
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17:08<ben_goodger>mr_flea: do you have a problem with just installing the binary package?
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17:09<mr_flea>ben_goodger: i searched with apt-cache but was unable to find a binary package
17:09<lumat>ok ... good nite!
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17:10<daniel2>NAT is a cunt to set up... anyone got any good walkthrus? :X
17:10<witte>!tell mr_flea about madwifi-install
17:10<witte>mr_flea: did you try the thing dpkg told you?
17:12<cantormath>anyone in here have MySQL running on a server?
17:12<cantormath>....a deb server?
17:13<mr_flea>thanks witte, i'll try again
17:14<antgel>from gentoo install guide: Before you get that "Hey, we've had that already"-feeling, you should remember that the networking you set up in the beginning of the Gentoo installation was just for the installation. Right now you are going to configure networking for your Gentoo system permanently.
17:14<antgel>i'm getting rsi, and i haven't even got a bootable system yet
17:15<ben_goodger>yes, yes, gentoo's shit, for ricers, debian is much nicer, thank you
17:15<army>cantormath: alles rechten, behalve om te granten
17:15<army>cantormath: all rights execpt the right grant
17:16<cantormath>what DB?
17:17<cantormath>mysql. information_schema?
17:17<mr_flea>witte, that seems to have worked, thanks again for the help
17:18<cantormath>army: those are the only two db's I have not added
17:18<witte>mr_flea: no problem, i never installed it myself, someone just put it into the bot, and i just happened to know how to ask him :)
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17:22<simon888>what did you do?
17:23[~]witte suddenly feels alone
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17:23<simon888>witte, are you a predator?
17:23<simon888>they're back!
17:24<witte>simon888: a predator?
17:24<witte>simon888: always nice, those netsplits :-)
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17:34<cantormath>Does anyone know what database the debian-sys-maint user is suppose to maintain in Mysql?
17:36<gn00b>i'm new to linux and just installed debian for the 1st time. is there anything else i should install right away? (or know, or do)?
17:37<Myon>all, I guess
17:37<Myon>vacuuming and stuff
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17:37<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at, or . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'.
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17:56<mr_flea>are there any repositories that have packages for iwlwifi or mac80211?
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17:59<witte>mr_flea: for the iwlwifi thing: apt-cache search iwlwifi should give firmware-iwlwifi
17:59<witte>mac80211 i can not find, but maybe that is in the kernel by now...
18:01<witte>mr_flea: in 2.6.22, mac80211 is in the debian kernel, in 2.6.21 it is not
18:01<witte>you probably still have a <=2.6.21 kernel (normal for etch and lenny)
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18:29<version2>I'm having some trouble with crontabs
18:30<version2>I have the following crontab: 0 * * * * wget -O /tmp/file <url>
18:30<version2>it seems to be doing wget, but I get a strange file in return
18:30<version2>(in /tmp/file)
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18:35<mr_flea>thanks again, witte
18:35<mr_flea>i need to learn your search-fu ;)
18:36<Hessophanes>version2: Does the URL contain any characters that are special to the shell? '&' for example?
18:37<version2>yes, contains some & symbols
18:37<Hessophanes>Then enclosing the whole URL in "" might be better.
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18:41<version2>okay. that fixed it.
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19:02<xerophyte>what is dns expired means ? i mean zone expired mean s?
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19:07<dpkg>Test Failed.
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19:13<grrrrr>im trying to find out how to dual boot my computer
19:13<grrrrr>i have my linux installed
19:13<grrrrr>and i wanna toss windows on but i cant seem to get my windows CD to load
19:14<JasonS>grrrrr: did it backward :) easier usually to install windows then linux
19:15<grrrrr>so how do i get windows cd to work ?
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19:15<grrrrr>im on ubuntu
19:16<chealer>grrrrr: this is a Debian support channel, we can't help with booting from Windows CDs
19:16<grrrrr>this is debian support the problem is im on a debian running system and i would like to dual boot
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19:17<amphi>or just don't bother with the legacy os
19:17<amphi>grrrrr: windows... ubuntu... why are you here? ;)
19:17<amphi>grrrrr> im on ubuntu
19:17<chealer>grrrrr: that's not a Debian-specific problem.
19:17<grrrrr>i just want windows so i can switch to play games
19:18<chealer>grrrrr: if you had a problem to configure GRUB, you could try here, but simply installing Windows is offtopic.
19:18<grrrrr>ubuntu is my operating system which is debian and im having trouble dual booting so ide imagine this is the proper place to ask questions
19:18<JasonS>grrrrr: ubuntu is not debian
19:18<grrrrr>its not ?
19:18<JasonS>grrrrr: try asking in #ubuntu
19:18<chealer>grrrrr: no
19:18<JasonS>!based on
19:18<dpkg>Your distribution may even use <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> <Linux Mint> to name a few.
19:18<grrrrr>i thought its debian based
19:19<chealer>grrrrr: it is Debian-based. this is not #debian-based
19:19<grrrrr>chealer ur a dick thanks everyone else tho
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19:20<JasonS>speaking of dicks heh
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19:49<Tb0n3>I can't seem to be able to figure out how to set a background in fluxbox
19:50<Tb0n3>guess my question is, how would I go about setting a background in flucksbochs
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19:53<gniii_>i figure i could also ask here, i have a lil' problem with eclipse on my debian (64) unstable, where stuff doesn't get properly refreshed in the vertical rules as seen here:!/eclipse0.png ->!/eclipse1.png ; gcj / sun-java-6 it's all the same. i'm a bit clueless
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19:55<JasonS>Tb0n3: either look on the fluxbox webpage in the faq or #fluxbox, *hint* .fluxbox/init
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20:23<zero_>hello, how can i restart X Display for i can use beryl "3d Desktop"?
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20:40<litage>zero_: you can restart your X server by typing ``/etc/init.d/Qdm restart" but replace "Q" with either 'k', 'g', or 'x', depending on which one you're using
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20:46<zero_>just copy this etc/init.d/kdm restart?
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20:46<zero_>i open dir init.d and write comand "kdm restart"
20:46<zero_>this correct?
20:46<zero_>litage, is it rigth?
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20:50<litage>zero_: be patient. we respond when we can
20:50<litage>zero_: if you're using kdm, simply run this command as root: /etc/init.d/kdm restart
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20:51<zero_>yes, i do, but how can start now beryl 3D Desktop?
20:52<zero_>litage, Detected xserver : AIGLX
20:52<zero_>Checking Display :0.0 ...
20:52<zero_>Checking for XComposite extension : failed
20:52<zero_>No composite extension
20:52<zero_>beryl: No composite extension
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20:53<litage>zero_: use a paste site such as
20:53<litage>zero_: if you're going to paste more than a couple of lines
20:53<litage>zero_: as for your problem, search google
20:53<litage>zero_: but first, ask yourself WHY you want to run Beryl. it doesn't really serve any purpose
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20:57<brownstone>tem alguém ai?
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21:06<K-Ryan>Hi everyone
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21:45<lolcats>~blame humanity
21:45[~]dpkg blames alaya and humanity for all the evil in the world
21:46<lolcats>hey im trying to get hibernate of some kind running on this old Vaio
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21:47<lolcats>its a PCG-F250 with the extended 160 MB Ram (with a 300 mb swapdrive), a 16MiB hibernate partition, and the Rest of the 4 gig drive as /
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22:06<baloo>~blame California
22:06[~]dpkg blames simonrvn and California for the end of the Internet as we know it
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22:15<DeepDayze>the internet as we know it has gone to hell
22:15<DeepDayze>wonder why
22:15<DeepDayze>is it spam, malware or adware
22:16<DeepDayze>i remember the days back in 1994/1995...the net was a simple place
22:16<freehat>you just need to know where to avoid
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22:19<DeepDayze>i hardly use windoze for net surfing
22:19<DeepDayze>too dangerous
22:20<DeepDayze>even with FF
22:20<CutMeOwnThroat>s/for net surfing//
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22:25<zero_>i need adjust my dsdt for acpi turn on
22:28<DeepDayze>cut my throat...i agree
22:28<zero_>battery not show, how can i active battery manager?
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22:32<lolcats>~blame god
22:32[~]dpkg blames miteyMite and god for all the evil in the world
22:32<lolcats>~blame sony
22:32[~]dpkg blames tonsofpcs and sony for all the evil in the world
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22:34<DeepDayze>lol @ dpkg
22:34<DeepDayze>blame lars ulrich
22:34<lolcats>~blame Lars Urich
22:34[~]dpkg blames crispy and Lars Urich for all the evil in the world
22:35<lolcats>gods i need APM
22:36<CutMeOwnThroat>sony=Lars Ulrich?
22:36<CutMeOwnThroat>hehe... this one seems to be more difficult :)
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22:37<lolcats>sony<shit<lars ulrich
22:37<CutMeOwnThroat>so what happened to god?
22:37<lolcats>.: (lars ulrich ~= shit ) < god
22:37<CutMeOwnThroat>(if the answer wasnt 'god is dead' I'm kinda disappointed)
22:38<lolcats>god isnt here man
22:38<CutMeOwnThroat>~blame me
22:38[~]dpkg blames lymeca_ and cutmeownthroat for the end of the Internet as we know it
22:38<lolcats>the character from diskword?
22:39<lymeca_>Why me?!?
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22:39<CutMeOwnThroat>!why me
22:39<lolcats>~why me
22:39<lymeca_>Ohh because I have 'me' in my nick.
22:39[~]lolcats thinks: because. just because
22:39<lymeca_>~blame own
22:39[~]dpkg blames kaner and own for the end of culture as we know it
22:40<lymeca_>~blame OwnT
22:40[~]dpkg blames _NiC and OwnT for all the evil in the world
22:40<lolcats>~blame and that ilk
22:40[~]dpkg blames foolano and and that ilk for the end of the world as we know it
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22:40<lymeca_>damn it
22:40<CutMeOwnThroat>~blame me
22:40[~]dpkg blames avu and cutmeownthroat for the end of life as we know it
22:40<lolcats>~blame that ilk
22:40<CutMeOwnThroat>~blame everyone
22:40[~]dpkg blames dondelelcaro and that ilk for all the evil in the world
22:40[~]dpkg blames alaya and everyone for the end of the world as we know it
22:40<dpkg>woody->etch is, like, first ask me about woody->sarge, then sarge->etch ; you must not try to skip sarge. skipping releases is not supported by debian.
22:41<DeepDayze>eew, potato so old
22:41<CutMeOwnThroat>da guy's too young
22:42<DeepDayze>sarge is a grand old man
22:42<lolcats>i want bo again
22:42<lolcats>that was the apogee of debian
22:42<DeepDayze>bo's the oldie
22:42<DeepDayze>too old to run on my amd64
22:43<DeepDayze>perhaps on my ancient 486 maybe
22:43<CutMeOwnThroat>bo was the 1st one?
22:43<CutMeOwnThroat>and then?
22:43<DeepDayze>i might get bo just for fun
22:43<DeepDayze>its in the archives
22:43<lolcats>so is .3
22:43<lolcats>the unnamed
22:43<lolcats>and then i really like sid.
22:43<DeepDayze>sid's the bad boy
22:44<DeepDayze>he's the unstable one
22:44<DeepDayze>but bleeding edge as linux can get
22:44<DeepDayze>there is a distro out there based on pure sid
22:45<DeepDayze>not ubuntu for sure
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22:46<mmavipc>!base font
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22:47<mmavipc>How do i install the Base fonts?
22:48<lolcats>mmavipc, apt-get install x-base-fonts
22:49<gn00b>E: Couldn't find package x-base-fonts
22:50<lolcats>uuuapt-get install base-fonts?
22:50<lolcats>aagh thuhis machine is lspw
22:50<lolcats>candt Handle having EVERY FREAKING GNOME HELP thing Run at ONCE
22:50<gn00b>E: Couldn't find package base-fonts
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22:59<zero_>i use HP Compaq nx6110 and No ACPI support disabled for some HP laptop models in etch kernel
23:01<mmavipc>How do I install the base fonts?
23:01<freehat>mmavipc: for x?
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23:01<freehat>apt-get install xfonts-base
23:01<freehat>did you just install gnome?
23:02<freehat>xorg will install xfonts-base, so unless you skipped that part and installed a Wm it will give you the error that you don't have the fonts
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23:35<mmavipc>How do i install kernel-source?
23:38<alaya>aptitude install linux-source....
23:38<gsimmons>!kernel source
23:38<dpkg>To install debian kernel source (kernel source with debian patches) run, aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 (in etch).
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23:46<zero_>how do i configure dsdt to use acpi?
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23:51<zero_>i have a notebook compaq nx6110, and i use debian 4.0 etch, this kernel does not support apm nor acpi, not activating the battery manager
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23:53<freehat>perhaps using acpi=force
23:54<sigp239>is flash browser plugin free/open-source?
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23:55<chealer>sigp239: there are several Flash plugins. the one you want to use is non-free.
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23:55<freehat>gnash is free
23:56<sigp239>chealer: has adobe made flash open-source, or is it still closed-source?
23:56<chealer>sigp239: Adobe's Flash player is proprietary.
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23:56<sigp239>so what do you guys use to watch youtube videos, etc?
23:56<zero_>freehat, my kernel does not support acpi nor apm
23:56<freehat>like I said, gnash is free
23:57<sigp239>freehat: gnash eh? wonder how well it works? it's a reverse-engineered flash player right?
23:57<freehat>zero_ i think you can pass acpi=force to your kernel at boot
23:57<chealer>sigp239: most people use Adobe's Flash player.
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23:58<sigp239>which package is that? I see tons of flash players coming up
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23:58<freehat>gnash isn't a very good alternative. last time I used it it coulnd't load youtube videos, sigp239
23:58<freehat>but that was a while ago.
23:59<zero_>n which file I configure?
23:59<zero_>freehat, in which file I configure?
23:59<freehat>are you using grub?
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