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00:00<zero_>in menu.lst?
00:00<freehat>yes, find your kernel
00:00<freehat>and add acpi=force
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00:01<freehat>at the end of the line staring kernel
00:01<freehat>should be something like /boot/yourkernel root=/your/hdd acpi=force
00:02<freehat>no guarantees, I'm just a newb
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00:06<zero_>i did not obtain
00:06<freehat>didi you reboot?
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00:06<zero_>i not find a kernel there?
00:06<freehat>in menu.lst?
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00:07<zero_>i finde config and menu
00:07<zero_>a ok
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00:22<sigp239>chealer: roger. thanks.
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00:48<jm_>heh security sites again overloaded
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01:16<hachi>is there a command to get information (serial number, etc) of a CD in linux?
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01:17<Waddledee>hachi, I'm not sure what you mean by 'serial number'.
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01:17<hachi>I'm prety sure every CD has some sort of an unwritable marker on it...
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01:18<hachi>I can use volname to get the volume name, but I'm hoping to get the metadata about the disk
01:18<hachi>I know that CD-R's have metadata on them documenting the dye types and things like that, but I'm not really out for that information
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01:19<lanceallott>have you tried fdisk
01:19<hachi>fdisk is for managing dos partition tables, does not apply to cds
01:19<Berge>hachi: CD's don't have a GUID, AFAIK.
01:20<hachi>no worries on that, I'm just letting you know
01:20<Waddledee>hachi, what do you want the information for, anyway? Maybe if we knew that, we could give more relevant help.
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01:21<jm_>yes, there's a command for that
01:21<hachi>I'm trying to copy a few hundred CDs to disk, I want to record all available information about the disc while I copy it... so I don't have to go back later and do this again
01:21<hachi>before anyone suggests it, I'm not ripping CDs, these are data discs
01:22<Reaper_NZ>like a cataloguing setup...
01:22<lanceallott>do you have cdrecord installed
01:23<hachi>do now :)
01:24<lanceallott>try cdrecord -v toc
01:25<hachi>heh, cdrecord is referring to itself as 'wodim'... did it get renamed since the last time I used it?
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01:25<lanceallott>or cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v -toc |more
01:25<jm_>isoinfo -d will show some of it
01:25<jm_>for ISO9660 discs anyway
01:28<jm_>time to read README.Debian for wodim
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01:29<lanceallott> wodim - write data to optical disk media
01:30<lanceallott>did info wodim ... its there
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02:06<fireinice>After i installed nvidia's offcial driver, i cannot return to console from X
02:07<Supaplex>fireinice: kernel tainting is evil!
02:07<Supaplex>!tell fireinice -about nvidia
02:07<fireinice>i just follow that steps
02:09<fireinice>compile nvidia-kernel-source with module-assistant
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02:09<waltercool>hi there... someone know how install nvidia driver in x86 amd64?
02:09<waltercool>installer drop me a error :S
02:09<jm_>don't use nvidia installer to start with
02:09<waltercool>so what?
02:09<waltercool>i have a sid
02:09<fireinice>not with nvidia-installer
02:10<waltercool>and... how can i make that?
02:10<Supaplex>waltercool: so what? oh, ok. I guess you'll do fine on your own. sorry, didn't know.
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02:11<waltercool>fireinice: seeking...
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02:12<fireinice>after i quit from X or just switch by CM+F1,it's just black screen
02:13<fireinice>can anybody give some clues?
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02:16<lanceallott>take a look at /etc/X11 replace xorg.conf with the old backup
02:17<lanceallott>hopefully the installer made a backup for you
02:17<fireinice>well, it can work properly,but it doesnot use nvidia driver
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02:17<waltercool>fireinice: Exist a big difference between use amd64 kernel and 686 kernel with an amd64 processor?
02:17<fireinice>i did not use nvidia's installer
02:18<lanceallott>it might look like 08062007.conf
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02:19<lanceallott>or conf.old
02:19<fireinice>it does not use nvidia driver, so it can work properly
02:20<lanceallott>just do ls -al and use the oldest .conf you can find
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02:21<fireinice>lanceallott:the old conf i 've made some backups,however it uses vesa but not nvidia
02:21<chuy>how can I know my onboard graphics card chipset?
02:21<fireinice>lanceallott:indeed, if i just replace nvidia with vesa, it will work
02:22<lanceallott>no just want to get your gui back
02:22<waltercool>fireinice: This tutorial is not for sid
02:22<fireinice>lanceallott: i just want to make nvidia driver work
02:22<jm_>chuy: use lspci
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02:23<vortek>hi :)!
02:23<fireinice>watercool: you can follow that steps
02:24<waltercool>fireinice: but... i want acceleration xD
02:24<vortek>Ive searched hi and low., but can't seem to find a win based batch install for debian no more. The old one, that would dl the based net files then luanch a batch that basicly took over mem
02:24<fireinice>watercool: just replace souce.list with sid's source server
02:24<vortek>no cd's or floppies on on slow arsed laptop that needs some debian
02:24<vortek>yeah no shit
02:24<vortek>im just trying to find a way
02:25<vortek>they used to have a cool program that wouild work with wintendo
02:25<waltercool>what make that .exe?
02:25<vortek>just ran it after donwloading some netinstall files
02:25<jm_>that's where to get it, maybe if you would check things instead of making stupid assumptions things would be easier on you
02:25<vortek>i remember using a few netinstall floppies then 20 or so lol
02:25<fireinice>lanceallott: my problem is that , i can lauch X with fvwm, but i could NOT retutn to console:(
02:26<vortek>well i did so some google'n
02:26<vortek>and didnt find much on modern debian and win based installs
02:26<vortek>thats why i came here
02:27<lanceallott>fireinice: are you trying to get something like compiz working ??
02:27<chuy>jm_: all I get is Unknon Device, I know my card is a VIA Unichrome, I tried the via driver but it doesn't work, any other ideas to make it work?
02:27<vortek>im gona get an iso though and use deamontools or some crap to install it threw qemu or something
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02:27<jm_>chuy: run update-pciids first
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02:28<fireinice>lanceallott: sorry , but what do you mean by compiz?
02:28<lanceallott>composite desktop...sorta like Beryl
02:29<jm_>chuy: tried man via? alternatively, you may need a newer version
02:29<vortek>i mean honestly what would you do in my situtation?
02:29<jm_>I would download debian.exe ...
02:29<vortek>no cd's no floppy and win32
02:29<vortek>it was neer that simple
02:29<vortek>you needed root images blah
02:29<vortek>other stuff
02:30<jm_>ok, I'm bailing out then
02:30<vortek>later jm
02:31<lanceallott>fireinice: do lsmod and see if you have nv driver installed
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02:32<jm_>you think I'm joking, but I'm not
02:32<lanceallott>if you do then your good , if not do modprobe nv
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02:32<vortek>ill just do live install then mouhnt partition
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02:33<vortek>I love dist-upgrade
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02:33<vortek>Screw it, get whats stable for the install and crawl your way up the latter.
02:34<vortek>think 6 hihd neouh
02:34<vortek>er sorry 6 gigs. It's been awhile.
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02:34<vortek>I'm gona run that new stuf, were compiz merged with beryll again or something.
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02:35<vortek>dpkg list distrost toystory
02:35<vortek>that wont work
02:35<hollo>about apache.. maybe somebody should know which options that determines if is translated into filename.php IF that file exists.. or filename.html if that file exists?
02:35<jm_>hollo: no doubt many people know
02:36<vortek>that wouldnt be my specialty
02:36<vortek>im not php leeet
02:37<vortek>im putting debian on this laptop to make it more effecient.
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02:37<vortek>its designed for 2k
02:37<gsimmons>hollo: You're probably after the 'DirectoryIndex' directive.
02:37<hollo>jm_, yeah.. i think that a bunch of people should know too.. that just a question of find one of them... have tried to compare 2 settings.. but stil now sure
02:37<vortek>xp is on it, i shutdown every freaking service almost. lol
02:37<hollo>gsimmons, thanks .. will read up on its features.. :)
02:37<jm_>hollo: look above, read its description in the default config file
02:37<vortek>what kernel you recomdemend for a pentium IIII mobile
02:37<vortek>yeah try that
02:38<vortek>er i mean pentium III
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02:39<vortek>atleast I can compile a nice kernel optimized for the lappy use the mouse and crt and keyboard... run icewm something light
02:39<vortek>Is there a faq or list of what ican ask dpkg about wich is better on the versions of X are better? pr beryyl vscompiz or the new one
02:39<fireinice>lanceallott: i just use fvwm as window manager whithout a desktop environment or other 'compize' as beryl
02:40<vortek>nm i google for stuff
02:40<vortek>fireinice: you use compize ?
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02:40<vortek>or despizse it ?
02:40<vortek>baloo: ?
02:40<fireinice>vorteck: no
02:40<fireinice>vortek: no:)
02:41<vortek>fireinice: my bad. sorry my pain meds for my back are kicking in.
02:41<lanceallott>fireinice: to check to see if you have nvidia driver loaded do lsmod |grep nv
02:41<CorpseHU>I have a problem with Spamassassin. The program nicely works, but no modify the mail headers. I read almost everything. The mails go to quarantine if i set this, but the subject and headers not Changed.
02:41<fireinice>nvidia 7251988 24
02:41<fireinice>i2c_core 20096 2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
02:41<fireinice>nvidia_agp 8284 1
02:41<fireinice>agpgart 30216 2 nvidia,nvidia_agp
02:41<fireinice>sata_nv 11332 0
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02:41<vortek>i got a crapy 16meg mobile radeon , maybe lspci tell me more oh wiat would that be lsmpcmica /
02:41<lanceallott>if you don't see nv then do modprobe -d nv
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02:41<lanceallott>your good
02:41<vortek>oh sorry
02:42<vortek>does the gui load ?
02:42<lanceallott>its loaded and your good to go
02:42<fireinice>lanceallott: i can enter into X, however could not return to console....
02:43<simon444>The new iMac!!!
02:43<lanceallott>do ctrl+alt+backspace
02:43<lanceallott>login again
02:44<lanceallott>then ctrl+alt+f1 see what ya got
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---Logopened Mon Aug 06 02:51:03 2007
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02:51<fireinice>when i try to enter console , it just black screen and no responses
02:51<fireinice>no matter end the X-server or switch to tty1
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02:52|-|Kanal #debian zsynchronizowany w 76 sekundy
02:52<lanceallott> just might haft to reboot to get things working right again after replacing the xorg.conf file
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03:03<fireinice>lanceallott: the system has restarted many times...
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03:05<lanceallott>so are you able to log into X...obvously so sence you are on irc
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03:13<flexy>How do I install 32 bit debian packages in amd64 installation? To be used with ia32-libs, to run those 32 bit binaries...
03:13<fireinice>lanceallott: my problem is i can *NOT* go back to console...
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03:14<lanceallott>then use Xterm
03:14<fireinice>lanceallott: ....
03:14<lanceallott>or Konsole
03:15<lanceallott>or ksh
03:16<lanceallott>or csh
03:16<lanceallott>or tsh
03:17<lanceallott>maeby consol took the rest of the nite offf
03:17<fireinice>thx :)
03:17<fireinice>i use tilda:)
03:17<fireinice>but i want go back to console
03:17<fireinice>or xvtx:)
03:17<fireinice>or rxvt
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03:18<lanceallott>well wish in one had and crap in the other and see which one fills up first
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03:23<lanceallott>you use ~ what is ~ never heard of ~
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03:24<lanceallott>tilda - terminal with first person shooter console likeness
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03:25<bijumon>howto LDAP authenticate for mantis bt
03:25<alex__>bijumon, a little more discription?
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03:25<lanceallott>sounds like a girliee game to me!!
03:27<lanceallott>fireinice: you must be in some 3rd world country that can't keep a connection
03:27<fireinice>xterm is good ,
03:27<flexy>how do I install those 32bit packages on 64bit system?
03:27<lanceallott>whaaa are you on dialup
03:28<lanceallott>poor thing
03:28<fireinice>i ve been kicked out by debhelper
03:28<fireinice>for some flood like action=,=
03:28<lanceallott>good for you
03:28<hollo>gsimmons, it was about acceptpathinfo if you did care :)
03:30<lanceallott>too many periods
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03:35<flexy>I find a lot of instructions on how to do this emul-ia32 thingie, but nothing on howto install those 32bit binary packages on a 64bit system... dpkg spits error about not matching the architecture.
03:35<jm_>flexy: you can't, you'll need to use chroot
03:39<flexy>this article tells about this multiarch approach
03:39<jm_>yes, that's chroot
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03:39<flexy>I've done earlier the chroot approach, but want to try to make it more simple and "correct" by using this multiarch
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03:39<flexy>jm_: nope, just read some more
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03:42<formorer>this has nothing to do with multiarch
03:42<flexy>sorry, wrong link :)
03:42<jm_>flexy: no, it is chroot - it just goes into more detail about what to configure etc.
03:42<flexy>check this correct link and specially the ia32suite paragraph
03:42<weasel>still, you can't install i386 .debs into an amd64 system.
03:42<weasel>whatever that link says.
03:42<formorer>you can force it, but this is bad bad bad
03:43<jm_>flexy: there's nothing multi-arch there, and it doesn't change the fact you can't install i386 debs on it - you'll have to unpack them manually
03:43<flexy>why? that site tells that dynamic library linker has been modified to use the correct libs...?
03:43<weasel>or install them in a chroot.
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03:43<weasel>your system consists of more than the dynamic library linker
03:44<jm_>just think of this simple problem - i386 and amd64 package may contain the same files, how will you solve the name clashes?
03:44<flexy>I just thought that by patching dll and making this ia32-libs package, they would have a complete solution
03:45<formorer>you thought wrong
03:45<jm_>well may is a bit of understatement
03:45<flexy>crap :)
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03:46<flexy>jm_: perhaps by installing those 32bit packages under /emul/ia-32/ ? :)
03:47<jm_>flexy: well nothing similar is currently implemented
03:47[~]twb wonders why Freenode's #debian has about thrice the patronage of the OFTC #debian
03:47<flexy>well, I'm a linux user, not a developer. perhaps the chroot solution would be nice for me
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03:48<streuner>twb: there was a "move"
03:49<streuner>twb: official #debian went to OFTC
03:50<streuner>twb: /msg dpkg oftc move
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03:53<twb>Yeah, so why is the "old" Debian still fuller?
03:54<streuner>twb: well, pointed in the past to
03:54<twb>People are just afraid of change.
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03:56<jm_>I was wondering that too
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03:56<streuner>thats not necessary, because you'll get the same good support not matter if you are here or at FN
03:57<twb>Such optimism
03:58<streuner>nah, experience ;-)
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04:36<alex__>what would be the most straight foward way to implement a bandwidth shaper on my debian box? (for example i want to cap the upload speed to 60k/s)
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04:36<jm_>install wshaper or use something like trickle
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04:42<twb>Some servers also support it at the app level, e.g. vsftpd and thttpd.
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04:44<jm_>and some clients can throttle it directly (see wget, lftp)
04:44<twb>(He said uploads)
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05:03<Supaplex>hummm how strange. fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/mapper/Debian-backups Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
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05:12<Fill>Hey, could anyone help me? What should I do so any file created in a certain directory had by default read and write group permissions, instead of only read permissions, as it happens by default?
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05:14<jm_>modify your umask
05:17<Supaplex>would kjournald hold on to this? humm
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05:33<Fill>how do I do that
05:33<jm_>Fill: umask command (it's typically a shell builtin)
05:34[~]Fill is AFK Getting some sleep ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZ . Gone now for «12hrs 30mins» Pager is on /ctcp Fill page message. —M-e-R-L-i-N—
05:34<Fill>sorry about the away
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05:35<Fill>jm_ what's the default user mask? just in case I want to go back
05:36<jm_>Fill: just start a new shell and type umask
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05:37<alex__>Fill: turn off your sleep ms
05:37[~]Fill is AFK Getting some sleep ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZ . Gone now for «12hrs 33mins» Pager is on /ctcp Fill page message. —M-e-R-L-i-N—
05:38<@Ganneff>Fill: more of those and you are out, so better turn it off. :)
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05:41<simon888>he is back
05:41<Fill>the message is off
05:41<@Ganneff>Fill: please make sure this script doesnt run in a channel. thx
05:42<Fill>When I turned it off you banned me
05:42<alex__>Fill, that script is really gay anyway, who cares if your sleeping :)
05:42<Fill>gay is your brain
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05:43<simon888>The purple telituby is gay
05:43<petemc>using the word gay in that manner would be considered offensive to some people
05:43<simon888>or at least that is what the news is telling me today
05:44<lupine>la-la? he's always been gay
05:44<@Ganneff>simon888: nice. can you share such things with dev/null or other, social channells? thanks
05:44<lupine>petemc: it's a simple statement of fact, surely?
05:44<@Ganneff>same goes for the rest...
05:44<simon888>petemc, using the word offensive would be considered offensive to scientogist.
05:45<simon888>Ganneff, this is #moocows
05:45<@Ganneff>simon888: open your eyes
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05:48<petemc>lupine: using it as an expression of derision is nothing to do with any sort of fact
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06:04<manphiz>rhythmbox's ipod support seems currently broken. Musics in my iPod mini failed to play in rhythmbox, but ok using gtkpod together with xmms. And rhythmbox do support mp3. Any suggestions?
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06:10<chealer>manphiz: try confirming the bug or finding a workaround.
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06:12<manphiz>chealer, ok. do some google/debug homework right now :)
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06:14<gsimmons>manphiz: You might want to check the Debian BTS and GNOME bugzilla for any similar issues.
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06:22<jnjb>i look for documentation about sid debian-installer
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06:23<sep>!install sid
06:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, install sid is install testing then upgrade to sid, or if you have to ask, you shouldn't.
06:24<jnjb>no sep
06:24<jnjb>it's to make an sid iso
06:24<sep>use the debian-cd package then
06:25<manphiz>gsimmons, gst-launch-0.10 failed with mp3 in my iPod. seems something wrong, but why xmms can handle these mp3s?
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06:26<jnjb>sep, with debian-cd i can use "deb unstable main/debian-installer"
06:26<gsimmons>manphiz: I don't know. Check for any related bugs within relevant bug reporting systems.
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06:27<manphiz>gsimmons, ok, thanks
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06:37<def>I installed Lenny on a brand new laptop
06:37<def>Using both the netinst and businesscard CDs, the text based installer always got stuck at 'Updating clock using time server'
06:38<def>Using the GUI installer everything went fine
06:38<def>Is this a known problem? Do i have to report it?
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06:44<Berge>def: You could check on
06:44<Berge>def: Did you look at the log when it got stuch? d-i logs to tty4.
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06:48<def>Yes I looked at it (but did not write it down). It seems the time update went fine (rdate) but then the installer does not move anymore
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06:48<Berge>Sounds like a bug. Take a look at or something.
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06:49<Berge>If it's not reported before, it'd be great if you did.
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06:50<def>OK thanks! I am on the web page. Too bad I did not take the info, I can only describe the problem
06:50<Berge>def: It helps quite a lot if you can provide the original error messages.
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06:54<haier>where can i add sounds to be played each start of gnome session ?
06:54<Berge>haier: Somewhere in the Gnome settings. Take a look at the Gnome control panel.
06:55<haier>Berge : ok i'll see right now
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07:03<haier>where can i add new scrensavers in gnome ?
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07:03<Wuffelz>hey i need some sorta help
07:03<Wuffelz>its a pretty nooby question
07:04<Wuffelz>do i really need 21 disks?
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07:04<JasonS>Wuffelz: no
07:04<Berge>Wuffelz: Probably not.
07:04<JasonS>depending on your connection one little mini cd
07:05<Wuffelz>then im totally lost
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07:05<Wuffelz>no i cant do that
07:05<Wuffelz>i have minimal install cd
07:05<Wuffelz>but i use wireless
07:05<Wuffelz>and it never detects the driver
07:05<JasonS>then you're going to need more then the net install
07:05<Wuffelz>i know :)
07:05<Wuffelz>so say if i download like
07:05<Berge>Wuffelz: CD1 should probably suffice.
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07:05<Wuffelz>5 of the 21 cds?
07:05<Wuffelz>can i geet away with that?
07:06<astral>or get a 10m cable .. throw it through the house .. install and use your wireless again (i would do that) ;D
07:06<Berge>Wuffelz: Depending a bit, but I'd think so.
07:06<Wuffelz>i dont like drilling holes in the wall
07:06<Wuffelz>i got grounded last time i did that
07:06<Berge>You only need it temporary.
07:06<astral>nah just get a LOOOONG cable ..
07:06<astral>just for install
07:06<Berge>Or move your computer.
07:06<Wuffelz>its a desktop
07:06<Wuffelz>with loads of cables..
07:06<Berge>Still, it's only for the install.
07:06<Wuffelz>in the back
07:06<Wuffelz>for various things
07:06<Wuffelz>i was thinking about thatr
07:07<astral>the cables are all portable ;D
07:07<Berge>You only need the box, the screen and a keyboard.
07:07<Wuffelz>the screen weighs like..100 pounds
07:07<Wuffelz>its humongous
07:07<Wuffelz>lmfao ok il try that
07:07<Wuffelz>but ifi dont do minimal install
07:07<Berge>Added bonus: You'll get the exercise!
07:07<Wuffelz>and ijust download 5 of 21 cds
07:07<astral>might be better than downloading tons of disks u will never use again
07:07<Wuffelz>will that work?
07:07<Wuffelz>but i loan those disks to my friends
07:07<Berge>Wuffelz: Yes, it will. Or just CD1.
07:07<Wuffelz>oh cool
07:08<Wuffelz>how come they made 21 disks anyway?
07:08<manphiz>How's the livecd installer project going? It'll be great for wireless users and other kinds of network connection which current installer doesn't support
07:08<Berge>Wuffelz: That's all of Debian.
07:08<Berge>Wuffelz: (18000 packages or so.)
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07:08<manphiz>over 20,000 now I think
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07:08<Magnus>i've a question
07:08<formorer>[[2=2]#linuxger [4=4]#nrw [6=6]]
07:09<Magnus>SMART fail means i have to throw away my Hard disk drive ?
07:09<Berge>Magnus: Usually.
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07:09<Berge>Magnus: Good thing you've got backups.
07:09<Wuffelz>wow that sucks (n)
07:09<astral>Magnus, if u did not changed anything and it just failed .. its probably broken ..
07:09<Magnus>yes the hdd is old it's not a problem
07:09<Wuffelz>hey when your hard drive is 45 degrees celsius
07:09<Berge>Magnus: How old?
07:09<Wuffelz>does that mean its dying?
07:09<Magnus>but it explains the repeted corruptions of my dpkg db
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07:09<T3X>Un SaLuto a Tutto iL Chan #debian
07:10<jm_>45C is low to medium temperature for a disk
07:10<astral>Wuffelz, this would mean its warm in your house ;D
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07:10<Wuffelz>it is actually
07:10<Wuffelz>i got in trouble last time i messed with the thermostat
07:10<Berge>Magnus: If you by any chance live in Norway, there's a good chance you'll get a new one if isn't older than three or five years.
07:10<Magnus>yeah i should by a fan for the drive
07:10<Wuffelz>could be because i set it to 100..
07:10<astral>thats why .. 40° inside .. hdd = 45° = all fine
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07:10<Wuffelz>it makes like
07:10<Wuffelz>this sorta
07:10<Wuffelz>chinking scraping noise
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07:10<Wuffelz>when iwrite data
07:10<Wuffelz>anmd its like 7 years old
07:10<Berge>Wuffelz: Please go easy on your enter-key.
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07:11<astral>Wuffelz, when your hdd already makes strange noise .. get a new one before u start a new install .. would make sense
07:11<Wuffelz>i do
07:11<Wuffelz>i install on my external
07:11<Wuffelz>just got it..320 gigs
07:11<Magnus>i try to low level format
07:12<Magnus>but the WD utility doesn't want to load because of the smart fail
07:12<astral>disable smart in bios then? :D
07:12<Magnus>so i think i have to buy another HDD
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07:12<Wuffelz>buy an external one
07:12<Wuffelz>theyre good
07:12<Wuffelz>and u can boot off them :)
07:12<Magnus>yes why not disabling smart
07:12<Berge>Magnus: Do you live in Norway, perhaps? You've got a Norwegian name. Norwegian consumer laws are great for these matters (-:
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07:12<Magnus>no lol
07:12<Magnus>i'm from France
07:12<Wuffelz>france rocks
07:12<Berge>Magnus: Oh, sorry, then.
07:13<Magnus>you don't have to
07:13<Magnus>it's fun living there
07:13<Reaper_NZ>Don't ya hate it when your cigarettes fly out of your pocket at 160 kmh, and you don't find out till you get home after a long ride....
07:13<def>Berge: there were no error messages, just a UI freeze. The system still runs, I can activate the console, do a 'ps' ...
07:13<Wuffelz>what are the chicks like?
07:13<Wuffelz>im going to germany then
07:13<Magnus>depends where
07:14<Wuffelz>by the tower of eifelnuss?
07:14<Berge>def: None at tty4 either?
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07:14<def>Berge: Do you want me to try to install like I did the first time. Hopefully it will not destroy my (now working) system
07:14<Wuffelz>nope no girls at tty4..
07:15<def>tty4 had the usual messages, no error
07:15<Berge>def: That would be brilliant, but I can understand if you don't want to hose your system.
07:15<Berge>def: You could install to an external drive or a new partition or something.
07:15<def>OK, I will do. It freezes before touching the disk and all
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07:16<Magnus>beuh there is nothing in the bios to disable SMART
07:16<Berge>def: Ah, good. I'm sure the maintainers will be happy.
07:16<Magnus>i'm fucked
07:16<Berge>Magnus: You don't have a backup?
07:16<Magnus>of ?
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07:16<Magnus>my HDD ?
07:16<def>All right, thanks for your help
07:16<Berge>def: No worries, and thanks for helping out.
07:17<Magnus>yes i have
07:17<Berge>Magnus: Then your all good?
07:17<Magnus>lol yeah but i wanted to try the impossible to rescue it
07:17<Berge>Not quite sure it's worth the trouble (-:
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07:53<koruja>Hi all! When I plug my headphone, the sound continues playing through speakers ..... How can i isolate it and keep it only in headphones when it is pluged?
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08:05<Guest7>versuche schon lange mir knoppix auf ne externe platte zu installieren funzt aber net wirklich wer kann mir helfen
08:06<dpkg>well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
08:06<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
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08:07<streuner>Guest7: if you want help with Knoppix just /j #knoppix on FN ( in order to install Knoppix on your extern HD
08:07<streuner>hm, too late
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08:22<edusouza>bom dia
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08:23<edusouza>alguem poderia me ajudar na instalação do vmware no debian
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08:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:24<edusouza>ok. obrigado
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08:26<haier>how can i add new screensavers ?
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08:30<twb>haier: with a big stick
08:30<twb>haier: aptitude install xlockmore xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl rss-glx?
08:30<haier>twb : what do you lean by that ?
08:30<haier>twb : oh
08:31<suiside>haier: depends on what screensaver package you are using, for example if you have xscreensaver installed you could get more by installing really slick screensavers or xscreensaver-gnome
08:31<haier>twb : i see
08:31<haier>i'm using gnome screensaver
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08:32<haier>twb : should i install all these packages ?
08:32<twb>haier: do you have 3d hardware acceleration?
08:32<haier>twb : how can i check ?
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08:33<twb>xdpyinfo | grep direct.rendering
08:33<twb>What does that print?
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08:35<haier>twb nothing
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08:36<twb>Oh, mea culpa
08:36<haier>twb : what ??
08:36<twb>glxinfo | grep direct.rendering
08:36<twb>"mea culpa", "I am culpable", "it is my fault"
08:36<haier>ah yes
08:36<twb>Somewhere, someone is wincing viciously at my gloss.
08:37<twb>To that person, I apologize.
08:37<lupine>interesting info command (xdpyinfo)
08:37<lupine> resolution: 95x96 dots per inch
08:37<twb>lupine: the net IS vast and infinite...
08:37<haier>twb : glcinfo : command not found
08:37<lupine>only in ReBoot
08:38<stew>haier: glxinfo not glcinfo
08:38<haier>glxinfo: command not found
08:38<lupine>it's in mesa-utils
08:38<twb>Hooray for modular xorg :P
08:39<haier>twb : should i install mesa-utils package ?
08:40<twb>haier: do whatever your heart tells you to
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08:41<haier>direct rendering: Yes
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08:42<twb>haier: ok, now aptitude install rss-glx xscreensaver-gl
08:42<bewboy>life up hacks!!!!!!!
08:42<twb>bewboy: you'd be amazed how often I have not thought just that.
08:44<bewboy>tmb: i have read this frace and i liked. It is very true.
08:45<haier>twb : and now?
08:46<bewboy>tmb: what have u thought about it?
08:46<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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08:47<twb>haier: you're done
08:47<twb>haier: the display hacks should be in /usr/lib/xscreensaver, IIRC.
08:49<bewboy>twb: but in fact, i am amazed, i looked "hackers" the movie. it have a little piece of shit and too have good material.
08:50<haier>twb : thanks
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08:50<bewboy>tmb: for example, in the movie unix is infected with a virys, it isn't posible!!
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08:51<bewboy>tmb: or, is it posible?
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08:53<twb>For information about viruses on Unix-like operating systems, I refer you to Rick Moen's excellent analysis.
08:54<twb>To whit,
08:55<bewboy>twb: they are troya hourses for unix, i know it. but virus... i have to read it!!!!!
08:55<bewboy>twm: thanks
08:55<twb>bewboy: please make an effort to write legibly.
08:56[~]simon444 hugs dpkg
08:56<twb>Hundreds of people are reading what you're writing, and even if you only slightly inconvenience each one, it adds up.
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09:01<bewboy>twb: ok, i mean
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09:02<bewboy>twb: i know that there are troya horses for unix, but i did not know there were unix viruses
09:04<bewboy>twb: so i thak you for the link that you put me as information about the viruses,
09:05<bewboy>twb: i'll read it.!!!!!!!1
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09:28<eth1c>What image editor do you guys suggest? something with nice text effect editing such as photoshop/fireworks from windows
09:28<zobel>eth1c: gimp
09:29<eth1c>gimp... O_O i couldent even move text in gimp.. it kept popping up "Text editor" blah blah when i clicked it O_O
09:29<eth1c>i shall try again and be more patient
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09:32<simon444>eth1c, I hear is good
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09:35<RetroJ>hello, are there any nice programs to assist with package conflict resolution?
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09:35<stew>RetroJ: aptitude?
09:35<lambda>hi anybody has the ability to troubleshot a xorg.conf setup ?
09:35<stew>lambda: lots of people. put your .conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin
09:36<RetroJ>stew: ok, thanks
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09:51<billy5>hi there! need help in accessing a ntfs partition... i don't get access to it from my normal user account...
09:52<gnagsuaton>billy5: have a look at ntfs-3g
09:52<XTF>Hi. Is there recommended documentation for setting up spamassassin with exim4? Both the exim and spamassassin docs don't seem to contain that much info about this.
09:52<billy5>thx... will try it
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10:00<frank>XTF: try
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10:07<rha>when an application is using sound, all others can't play any sound !! any help please
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10:11<rha>bewboy : what should i do ?
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10:12<bewboy>rha: you have to use alsa
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10:13<rha>bewboy : how
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10:14<bewboy>rha: execute alsaconf as root
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10:20<XTF>frank: I can't find much there either
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10:22<eth1c>lmao... my dumb ass types "Fireworks with wine" thinking i was going to find a install guide for adobe fireworks LOL, "4th of july, wine blah blah"
10:23<eth1c>i found it though.. just though perhaps you might find amusement in it..
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10:27<PinkyDW>if i'm updating my nvidia driver, do i need to remove the previous driver first?
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10:36<Deselect>Hello everybody. It seems I have really messed up something with my Xserver and I was hoping someone could help me (I am currently running on a LiveCD). I tried to install CompizFusion on my Debian box and now greatly regret it. When I try to run GDM I get a blue screen that says "Failed to start Xserver. Likely not setup correctly" and it outputs this error message "/etc/X11/X is not executable". Any ideas? Also, I cannot chat via irss
10:37<Deselect>Any help with be extremely aprpeciated. I have certainly learned my lesson to stop trying to install compiz
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10:39<soar>hello guys. why is iceweasel in lenny but in etch?
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10:40<stew>soar: was in lenny but it was temporarily removed
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10:40<soar>ok. why? is it with security issues?
10:41<alex__>soar, or unstable, read the website
10:42<soar>but, alex, goes to etch (stable)
10:42<soar>this is my question.
10:42<stew>soar: probably, but i'm not sure,. it should move to testing soon:
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10:44<soar>ok. i see after reading the web
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10:48<CyberScript32>bom dia a todos!
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10:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:49<flexy>How do I set the locales so, that everything is in my native language (keyboard, showing of characters in irssi, documents, etc), EXCEPT that the system gives me every question, answer, menus, etc in english?
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10:52<billy5>is there a small tool for X11 which shows me ram/hdd/cpu usage?
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10:54<hatoon>alguem fala portugues aqui
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10:55<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:55<billy5>petemc: thx :)
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11:06<simon444>Myon, how do teach en = english?
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11:06<simon444>it seems like someone told dpkg en is english
11:07<simon444>and it didn't quiet get it
11:07<flami>whats wrong with its answer?
11:07<flami>!bot abuse
11:07[~]dpkg huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop'
11:07<fxiny>do you think en is "enchilada" ?
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11:09<simon444>flami, someone told dpkg "en is english"
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11:09<flami>isnt it ?
11:09<simon444>flami, trying to teach it to say the same response for both en and english
11:09<simon444>but dpkg misunderstood
11:10<azeem>simon444: you've been banned from dpkg I think
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11:10<azeem>banned from changing its database, anyway
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11:11<simon444>what?! why?
11:11<haier>how can i see the nameof my sound device ?
11:11<simon444>azeem, I haven't tried to change anything
11:11<azeem>probably you've been abusing it, I don't know details
11:11<fxiny>Asimov side effects
11:11<simon444>azeem, I never abused it.
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11:12<azeem>simon444: you were just saying you were trying to teach dpkg about `english'
11:12<dpkg>i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!!
11:12<azeem>that's clearly "trying to change anything"
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11:12<simon444>azeem, no you misunderstood me
11:13<simon444>azeem, I am saying based on dpkg's answer to en some must of taught it "en is english"
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11:14<dpkg>Test Failed.
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11:16<haier>how can i see the nameof my sound device ?
11:17<haier>how can i see the name of my sound device ?
11:17<azeem>lsmod | grep snd_
11:17<azeem>that's the name of your driver at least
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11:17<azeem>lspci | grep Multimedia
11:17<azeem>for the name of the deivce
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11:25<nicholas_>hey. I've finally decided to switch from OSS to ALSA. I've got the modules on in the kernel (via82xx for an AC97) and have installed the alsa packages, run alsasetup, but no joy.
11:25<matth`> seems to be a nice initiative for that kind of questions
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11:25<nicholas_>amixer complains "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device". I've checked lsmod, the modules are loaded. Anyone know of a walk-through or a few additional things I should check?
11:25<stew>nicholas_: via82xx would be an oss module, not an alsa module
11:25<stew>nicholas_: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
11:25<stew>nicholas_: or did you mean 'snd-via82xx' ?
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11:25<nicholas_>stew: I meant snd-via82xx. I"m reading the dpkg entry now...
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11:27<hatoon>alguem fala portugues aqui
11:27<nicholas_>stew: from the dpkg checklist, alsaconf as root (check), user in audio group (check), use alsamixer (can't: won't start up), arts and esd are stopped, oss modules are unloaded (I've been running alsa in oss emulation mode for years now), spkrs on, modprobe snd-pcm-oss made no difference, and 'cat /dev/urandom > /dsp/dsp' does not work.
11:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:27<stew>nicholas_: what does "ls -l /dev/dsp" say?
11:27<nicholas_>stew: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-08-06 12:23 /dev/dsp
11:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
11:27<azeem>haier: please /msg the bot
11:28<stew>haier: please /msg the bot
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11:28<stew>nicholas_: can you put the output of "cat /proc/asound/devices" into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin
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11:30<stew>nicholas_: odd, it has a valid 'control' so alsamixer should work. what error do you get when running alsamixer? does it work as root?
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11:30<nicholas_>stew: alsamixer as root says: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
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11:31<stew>nicholas_: does /dev/snd/controlC0 exist?
11:32<nicholas_>stew: no.
11:32<nicholas_>stew: /dev/snd doesn't.
11:32<nicholas_>udev issue?
11:32<stew>nicholas_: are you running udev? what does "uname -r" say?
11:33<nicholas_>stew: (custom kernel, debian unstable)
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11:33<stew>nicholas_: are you running udev?
11:33<nicholas_>stew: yes
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11:33<stew>nicholas_: what version?
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11:33<nicholas_>stew: 0.113-3
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11:35<stew>nicholas_: well yes. this is a udev problem. if /proc/asound knows about your cards control interface, udev should have created /dev/snd/controlC0 ; have you altered udev's config in /etc/udev/ ?
11:36<nicholas_>stew: not that I recall, but I'll check for that now. It's not impossible that I disabled it to get OSS emulation working again then forgot entirely :(
11:36<stew>nicholas_: you might try '/msg dpkg fresh udev config' but note that you'd lose anything you customized
11:36<stew>nicholas_: and, of course, check the bts
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11:38<simon444>haier: please /msg the bot
11:39<simon444>hmm it sure is laggy
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11:39<Anon>hey, where can I find my cpu temperature?
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11:40<fxiny>cpu ?
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11:47<fxiny>Anon: sorry , cat complaining : lm-sensors
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11:48<nicholas_>stew: great! wiping and reinstalling udev fixed the missing /dev/snd and I can now run alsamixer.
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11:52<Anon>acpi -v also works :)
11:52<Anon>ok I do need to take the system apart
11:52<Anon>82° ... not too good
11:53<nicholas_>stew: okay, then I just had to run alsasetup *one last time* and now it works. Thank you!
11:53<stew>nicholas_: you're welcome
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12:16<ChibaPet>Hey, all. I have a box that has a custom kernel, no initrd, which I didn't build, but which boots. When I try a stock kernel, it panics after init can't find dev/console, and that happens because: "pivot_root: No such file or directory"
12:16<ChibaPet>Any ideas? /initrd exists as an empty directory.
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12:17<ChibaPet>I don't know what's happening outside of the ramdisk that's weird. My conception is, kernel loads, and loads ramdisk as specified by grub. Init fires up and pivots to real root, as specified by grub.
12:17<ChibaPet>But this is failing to happen.
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12:19<ChibaPet>Ooh, hm, might need a SCSI driver.
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12:19<ChibaPet>I bet that's it. I see spoor from where the other admin downloaded driver source. Damn. Morning gone for that. :P
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12:21<tycale>I'm on Debian testing and i want to go back to stable, how can i do that ?
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12:23<Berge>tycale: Down-grading is not really supported.
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12:23<stew>tycale: there is no automated way to downgrade, you have to downgrade all of the packages manually
12:24<matth`>tycale: you better backup the data and reinstall
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12:24<tycale>my compiz doesn't work and i can't play with cedega and my iceweasel is not stable :'(
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12:25<stew>tycale: iceweasel instablility almost always comes from plug-ins and extensions, not iceweasel itself
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12:44<fxiny>"You probably won't want" sounds tricky ...
12:45<simon444>requires a $5 USB sim editor
12:45<stew>simon444: please keep it on-topic
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12:45<simon444>err whoops... fxiny come to #moocows
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12:51<calleja>sagrario castillo TAMAYO
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12:58<Anon>I found the source of my pc stalling
12:58<Anon>there was "some" dust in the cooling system
12:58<Anon>it was fucking FUL of dust
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13:01<tester>hi i got a question. i compiled a new kernel with a specific module, the module didn't start uop and modprobe says it can't find it even though it's ther ein the lib/modules/'uname -r dir
13:01<frank>depmod -a
13:01<frank>and try again
13:01<tester>frank nothing
13:02<tester>tried it
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13:02<schlurchz>Hi folks. I'm having trouble dist-upgrading to Etch. aptitude says it cannot install x11-common because it conflicts xfree86-common. Even 'aptitude -f install x11-common' doesn't work. Any ideas how to debug/fix this?
13:03<tester>frank FATAL: Module emu10k1 not found.
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13:03<schlurchz>Running 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' gives no errors.
13:03<tester>frank hah
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13:05<schlurchz>I'm pretty much stuck with this. Tried Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true, but I don't get it... :-/
13:07<tester>frank the module loaded but no sound though
13:07<schlurchz>aptitude dist-upgrade gives this:
13:07<schlurchz>The following packages have unmet dependencies: xlibmesa-gl: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. x11-common: Conflicts: xfree86-common but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge4 is installed. libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package.
13:08<frank>schlurchz: did you consult
13:08<schlurchz>Reading the release notes, I guess this shouldn't happen.
13:08<schlurchz>frank: I did and took notes...
13:09<frank>tester: you need to turn volume up
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13:09<tester>frank it is up heh
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13:09<schlurchz>frank: I don't see what could case this error.
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13:10<moya>what's the difference between xen-linux-system-*-xen-686 and xen-linux-system-*-xen-vserver-686 ?
13:10<GhostlyDeath>vserver is virtual server?
13:11<blissi>omg epic fail
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13:12<schlurchz>Hmmm. Since apt-get doesn't see a problem, I guess I'll upgrade aptitude and then retry the dist-upgrade.
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13:13<schlurchz>Perhaps aptitude's resolver is smarter in etch.
13:13<frank>did you do a simple upgrade before dist-upgrade?
13:14<schlurchz>frank: Yes. I followed the release notes.
13:14<moya>GhostlyDeath: I can't see the difference yet, in the wiki they recommend choosing one of the xen-linux-* for the dom0
13:14<schlurchz>I've upgraded the libmesa* stuff, and now I'm stuck.
13:14<frank>sorry, didn't upgraded any host to etch with X
13:15<schlurchz>frank: yeah, it's my first box with X installed, either.
13:15<GhostlyDeath>is laptop brightness linked to the video card?
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13:32<alarmo>hey, guys. Is there a way to set my sources.list (or other config file, for that matter) so that it would use testing as main repo and things from unstable only when they don't exist on testing ?
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13:35<hate29>Hi, how can I read dvds that debian doesn't regognise? In windows I did use isobuster. Is there any samekind of software to read "corrupted" dvds?
13:35<ben_goodger>alarmo: I believe you can set apt.conf to be weighted to different distributions, google that
13:35<alarmo>thanks ben
13:36<simon444>!ops kurumin and calleja have joined spammed and quit recently. Keep a watch on it
13:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simon444 complains about: kurumin and calleja have joined spammed and quit recently. Keep a watch on it
13:38<apunto>Hello, little help here please... I can't seem to configure a logical ethernet interface, i keep getting a "Cannot assign requested address" when trying to ifup interface eth0:1...maybe i am missing a previous step? Already checked with ifconfig and interfaces exists
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13:39<stew>simon444: /ignore kurumin JOINS PARTS QUITS
13:39<blarson>apunto: ip can do it better.
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13:40<simon444>stew, just a bot alert
13:40<RichiH>why spammed for an empty channel
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13:40<simon444>there might be an attack soon
13:40<apunto>blarson: what do u mean ip? what's ip?
13:40<blarson>apunto: "ip address add" iirc.
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13:40<Maulkin>simon444: There's nothing the ops can do if they've quit already
13:41<blarson>apunto: ip is a superset of ifconfig and friends.
13:41<apunto>blarson: yes, but there should me a way to use the debian network tool
13:41<simon444>"Keep a watch on it"
13:41<apunto>should me = should be
13:42<apunto>its like this interface (eth0:1) is not found, like it needs an alias
13:43<blarson>apunto: ip is in package iproute. part of debian.
13:43<stew>simon444: do you have any evidence that might lead you to believe that either of those people are bots?
13:43<alarmo>ben_goodger, thanks, dude. Solved my problem
13:43<alarmo>won't forget apt.conf again :)
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13:44<simon444>stew, the spam content
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13:45<apunto>blarson: yes thanks, i'll rather fix my config and install another (not necessary) package
13:45<stew>simon444: that he mentioned a non-existant channel?
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13:45<simon444><calleja> sagrario castillo TAMAYO
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13:58<Deselect>I need some assistance in how to proceed with installing my audiophile 2496 soundcard. My last install autodetected the card and worked, but this time it wont and I have no sound. Can anyone help?
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14:01<Deselect>I know I need to use ALSA
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14:02<laza>somebody help me please
14:03<laza>what packages includes to complie the kernel?
14:03<E0x>what packages you need for compile the kernel ?
14:03<laza>i don't know that's why i'm here for
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14:04<E0x>what is you "really" problem ?
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14:04<E0x>or initial problem ?
14:04<laza>i can't make the menuconfig
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14:05<E0x>maybe you need ncurse-dev
14:05<E0x>or something like that i dont remember the exactly name
14:06<laza>okay i'll try
14:06<Deselect>any ideas how to fix my issue with my soundcard and alsa?
14:06<Deselect>I am running Debian/sid
14:07<E0x> libncurses5-dev
14:07<laza>yep, that was the problem, thank you!
14:08<lanceallott>have you checked that the modules are loaded
14:08<lanceallott>are you a member of the audio group
14:09<Deselect>lanceallott: No, I am not a member, whatever the audio group is. I am trying to check whihc modules, but I am rather new to all of this
14:09<Deselect>I am currently in module assistem
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14:11<lanceallott>just do `groups <username>' to see what groups you belong to
14:11<Deselect>when I lspci | grep audio...
14:11<Deselect>Oh, ok
14:11<Deselect>I belong to my name
14:11<Deselect>that is all
14:11<Deselect>the default group
14:13<Deselect>Any ideas what to do next?
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14:21<onur>Hi. I am trying to add cdrom to add with apt-cdrom add -d /dev/hdf it's say: E: Unable to stat the mount point /dev/hdf/ Do you have any idea?
14:22<Myon>onur: -d wants a mount point, not a device
14:22<onur>ok Myon
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14:29<Rambozo>Any WiFi users having trouble with NetworkManager applet not starting in Gnome after some reboots?
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14:37<simon444>errr whoops
14:37<simon444>hmm dpkg is gone
14:38<simon444>and for quiet awhile
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14:45<simon444>dpkg, welcome back
14:45<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
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14:47<noflash>simon444, if you like the bot so much you might try #debian-bots
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14:47[~]Anon strokes dpkg tenderly
14:47<simon444>noflash, cowbot isn't there.
14:48<noflash>simon444, wtf does that have to do with dpkg
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14:49<simon444>noflash, I like cowbot. Refer to the message I'll send you in a sec.
14:49<noflash>simon444, please don't msg me
14:49<simon444>noflash, it would be offtopic here
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14:50<noflash>simon444, so is most of the bot spew
14:50<simon444>no, dpkg is ontopic here.
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14:51<noflash>simon444, dpkg is off topic when it's not talking debian and it has many factoids that are off topic
14:52<simon444>noflash, the only thing I said about dpkg was that he was missing for awhile
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15:16<bighornram>is ieee80211 used for drive encryption? trying to compile realtek 8187 but causes kernel panic
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15:17<bighornram>with ieee80211-rtl version
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15:22<alarmo>hey guys, have anyone experienced problems with aptitude hanging after installing a package ? mine hangs every time I install anything.
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15:23<bewboy>hi, i want to know where is the grub configuration file.
15:24<formorer> /boot/grub/menu.lst
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15:28<alarmo>can't find a way to solve this aptitude stuff... think I'll have to fall back to synaptic then.... is there any other good front end to the package management system like aptitude ?
15:28<alarmo>I remember dselect, but I don't know if this is deprecated or anything
15:28<lanceallott>bewboy check /etc/grub.conf
15:28<stew>alarmo: aptitude has its own if you just run "aptitude"
15:29<alarmo>stew, the thing is my aptitude freezes after completing any install job
15:29<stew>lanceallott: no, its /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst
15:29<stew>alarmo: what happens if you run "aptitude -f install" ?
15:30<lanceallott>really!! i using lilo so I was just guessing
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15:30<alarmo>hmm... I don't use it with cmdline arguments... lemme check
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15:30<alarmo>the thing is
15:30<alarmo>it installs the stuff
15:30<alarmo>THEN it freezes... when it goes back to the package listing screen
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15:31<lanceallott>if you are running KDE you could use kpackage
15:31<alarmo>xfce here :(
15:31<Berge>alarmo: What happens if you run 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude install cowsay', for instance?
15:32<Berge>alarmo: (aptitude takes roughly the same command line arguments as apt-get.)
15:32<alarmo>it should work fine... let me check installinga small package here
15:32<alarmo>works just fine
15:32<alarmo>the thing is with its select interface
15:32<alarmo>the ncurses stuff
15:32<Berge>Ok, so it's just the ncurses interface that hangs?
15:32<alarmo>yeah... it hangs then I ^C it and all the input I tried to give Aptitude is right there on my terminal
15:33<Berge>It aborts on C-c?
15:33<alarmo>yeah.. aborts on C-c, stops on C-z... all fine
15:33<stew>alarmo: what happens when you run "aptitude -f install"?
15:33<alarmo>stew, works like it should.... nothing selected for install...
15:34<alarmo>it is just the curses stuff that is messed up
15:34<stew>alarmo: what version of aptityude
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15:34<alarmo> with ncurses 5.6 and sigc++ 2.0.17
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15:34<stew>alarmo: checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts)
15:35<alarmo>checking it right now.... didn't know of those
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15:38<alarmo>found an entry to the very same problem... thanks... if anyone is interested is this
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15:48<laza>what is the default kernel source path? the nvidi driver can't find it
15:48<laza>should i make symlink?
15:51<Maulkin>Hi there
15:51<Maulkin>How are you trying to install it?
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15:51<Maulkin>!tell laza about nvidia
15:53<laza>Maulkin thank you
15:53<Maulkin>no problems
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15:58<alarmo>hmmm.... I liked it....
15:58<alarmo>!tell alarmo about nvidia
15:58<alarmo>thanks for the idea Maulkin :)
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15:58<Maulkin>alarmo: you can also "/msg dpkg nvidia" to avoid using the channel btw.
15:58<alarmo>oh, thanks :)
15:59<Fill>good night
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16:00<Fill>I need to change my umask ... I tried to change it .bashrc and .bash_profile, but it doesn't work, when I type 'umask' I get the new value, however the new files created still get the same permissions as umask 022
16:00<Fill>any suggestion?
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16:01<Maulkin>Is .bashrc being sourced?
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16:02<Fill>What you mean being sourced?
16:02<Maulkin>Well, is it being loaded? :)
16:03<Fill>I don't know
16:03<Fill>how do I check that
16:03<Fill>I know it exists, because I edit it and it has things written on it
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16:28<Supaplex>does nagios have a curses client? I'm hoping for something as steallar as elinks w/o it being a webbrowser
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16:34<Myon>Supaplex: mutt :P
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16:40<brk>afternoon folks
16:40<brk>interesting anomaly...
16:41<brk>server is online and connected, openvpn is making a good tunnel across to its location.
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16:43<brk>when trying to connect to a webpage or with irc via normal means,I get networl unreachable.
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16:44<brk>If I selectg a root erminal, I can ping a domain, via a standard terminal, network unreachable
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16:46<brk>even if I select standard terminal and su root, i still get network unreachable.
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16:46<brk>should I look as a bad config, firewall, or a funky ehthernet device?
16:47<knoppix_>My bad, guys, ignore me.
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16:47[~]brk does /ignore
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16:48<Myon>try strace
16:48<brk>...and where is abrotman when I need him!
16:48<tcsetattr>but don't try to strace ping, it's setuid
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16:52<mzhang>CUPS:HP printer, won't print, at http://localhost:631/, to print a test page, shows "Quota limit reached." any ideas?
16:52<streuner>!tell brk about ask
16:53<streuner>mzhang: is that the first time you configure the printer?
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16:58[~]streuner is unshaved today, might be a reason why he didnt get an answer ;-)
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16:59<mzhang>streuner: the problem mystically solved as I tweaked around.
16:59<mzhang>streuner: thanks still.
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17:10<Berge>slownix: Hi! Anything we can do for you?
17:10<slownix>For some reason when ever I start xorg I get frequencies out of range errors from my monitor. I'm going from crt to laptop.
17:10<slownix>Berge : hehehe sups
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17:11<Berge>Your CRT probably doesn't handle the resolution you're trying to display.
17:11<slownix>i cant seem 2 find the command that allows you 2 reconfigure the res and such
17:11<Berge>(Or the resolution/colour depth combination.)
17:11<Berge>dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
17:11<slownix>dpkg-reconfigure x-system-core or something I cant remember didndt work
17:12<Berge>Eh, xserver-xorg, that is.
17:12<slownix>no such package
17:12<Berge>Sorry (-:
17:14<slownix>ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
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17:14<Berge>Are you using the free drivers?
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17:14<slownix>think so
17:15<Supaplex>Berge: free is vague. you mean foss drivers, right? :)
17:15<Berge>Supaplex: Ah, free as in freedom, yes.
17:15<Berge>In my native language, there's a difference between free and gratis (-:
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17:16<Berge>slownix: That is; are you using the free (as in freedom) drivers, or the ATI-supplied, unfree ones?
17:16<slownix>almost started
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17:18<slownix>just that stuf
17:18<Berge>slownix: There's information in the Debian wiki for both free and non-free drivers, fwiw.
17:18<slownix>its an old lappy with 16 meg ati built in
17:19<slownix>with crt and keyboard pluged in running debian to get more effeciency out of it
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17:19<slownix>well usualy it just works has for ever like almost a decade? lol
17:20<slownix>i just had to edit some file but i got further this time.. now i can fix it. no more frequency errors
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17:20<Berge>Good (-:
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17:22<Berge>Joesph-x: Greetings. In case you wonder about something, feel free to just ask (-:
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17:24<Joesph-x>@Berge,just have a look at the oftc debian-channel
17:24<eliteforce>hello, how could i limit bandwidth (incoming data) to a fixed rate the easiest way?
17:25<Berge>Joesph-x: I'm not quite sure I got that. What do you mean?
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17:26<slownix>k im in ::)
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17:26<slownix>icewm has horible theme selection now. the navigation.
17:27<slownix>Whats a good Lite wm
17:27<Joesph-x>@ Berge,i dont have any trouble with my
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17:27<Joesph-x>debian installation,i am just here
17:27<Berge>Joesph-x: ah
17:27<lorenzod8n>slownix, I've always liked fvwm.
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17:27<Joesph-x>to enjoy this channel
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17:28<Berge>Joesph-x: Sorry, not my intention to assume you needed help (-:
17:28<slownix>well ok x works :)
17:28<Berge>slownix: I tend to like XFCE for light a light WM.
17:28<slownix>now to find nice wm
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17:29<Joesph-x>@ berge,nice to meet you
17:29<slownix>hrm thats the on i think i was looking FOR!
17:29<Berge>Joesph-x: Cheers (-:
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17:30<stew>eliteforce: perhaps wondershaper is the easiest way, or pull out the downling part of the wondershaper script
17:30<stew>eliteforce: but note that its hard to effectively shape incoming bandwidth becuase you don't really have control over how fast data is sent to you
17:32<eliteforce>stew: well it should be controllable for tcp connections
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17:33<eliteforce>stew: what package do i need for the 'tc' command?
17:33<stew>eliteforce: iproute
17:34<slownix>ok installing now
17:35<eliteforce>stew: thanks, i'll try and hopefully make it ^^
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17:37<slownix>heh i got thte xp theme loaded with www running and its way faster then xp
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17:38<slownix>just sort of funny if your just gona let grandma use it for email
17:38<slownix>thats the icewm xptheme btw
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17:41<slownix>audio is listed in lspci thats good
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17:42<simon444>the iphone boom is going to cost debian a fair price
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17:43<slownix>xfce has much easier theme selector thats for sure lol
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17:54<eliteforce>stew: i found this script
17:55<eliteforce>stew: i changed the rate to 250kbps, and post to prerouting, also -i instead of -o
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17:59<RetroJ>hi, `apt-cache policy linux-image-686' shows that I installed kernel 2.6.24, but grub only sees 2.6.18. I never had to configure grub when installing a new kernel before. can someone point me in the right direction?
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18:06<dleidert>does anybody know, how to turn off DDTP translations in apt 0.7.x?
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18:06<dleidert>APT::Acquire::Translation "none";
18:07<dleidert>doesn't work
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18:13<slownix>whats a good way to gui chat and use ssl
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18:15<oj_>excuse me, I have the same problem with a freshly installed debian and ubuntu 7, with kde, my ttf HelveticaRounded doesn't show umlauts correctly. didn't find a solution on google/bugtracker.
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18:16<oj_>the other fonts that come with the dist work well
18:16<dleidert>DDTP =
18:16<dleidert>the translated package descriptions
18:17<dleidert>I don't want to have them translated, but I also don't want to set LANG to C
18:17<dleidert>support was added to apt in version 0.7.0
18:17<oj_>if someone has an idea please, help would be appreciated
18:18<eliteforce>stew: ah that looks totally different for limiting download, it's working now thx
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18:39<tonkar>Hi all! Have someone any idea how can i change (i mean with copy ALL files) my root mount point?
18:39<slownix>man cp :)
18:39<tonkar>yes i know, but i'm not sure which options should i use
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18:40<slownix>Man I keep installing dif wm's but can't remember were to put the info in so they start
18:40<simon444>bye. If anyone which wishes to contact me email is
18:40<tonkar>because i need to copy links and devices files etc ...
18:41<slownix>yeah id be carefull
18:41<slownix>tarball it heheh
18:41<eliteforce>tonkar: i don't think its a good idea to copy or tar device files
18:42<slownix>yeah hence why i said hehehe
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18:43<tonkar>but cp have option to preserve permissions and copy symbolic linkx too
18:43<tonkar>i think the biggest problem are the devices
18:43<eliteforce>tonkar: they should be created automatically on reboot
18:44<tonkar>:D nice
18:44<tonkar>ok .... i will try to copy one partition to the other one and tell you what happens
18:44<eliteforce>tonkar: at least i hope so :) make sure the dir /dev is created though
18:45<tonkar>which options of cp should i use
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18:46<eliteforce>tonkar: -R at lest :P
18:46<tonkar>maybe -pR ?
18:46<tcsetattr>cp -a is good. but tar is THE classical solution to this.
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18:46<tonkar>my english isn't very good ... i have some problems with the man cp xD
18:47<lupine>tar is everyone's best friend :D
18:47<tcsetattr>and you want -x for single-file-system
18:47<tonkar>ok .... first i'm going to use cp, if this don't work i will try with tar
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18:48<eliteforce>tonkar: i suggest rm as third choice
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18:49<tonkar>how can i copy ALL but my aux directoy?
18:49<lupine>easy in zsh, less easy in bash
18:51<slownix>What's that simple file name that holds your current window manager to load?
18:51<slownix>tonkar: ive used actual installers to do that before
18:52<lupine>x-window-manager points to your canonical WM...
18:52<slownix>like move the root ,, or even partition magic win32 lol
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18:52<lupine>although, it's incorrect here
18:52<lupine>it's all rather DE-specific, I guess
18:53<tonkar>but with partition magic it is going to be easy and that isn't the idea :P
18:53<slownix>n/m i found it
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18:55<tonkar>cp -a cdrom home/ lib/ mnt/ root/ sys/ var/ bin/ dev/ initrd lost+found/ opt/ sbin/ tmp/ vmlinuz boot/ etc/ initrd.img media/ proc/ srv/ usr/ aux/
18:55<tonkar>let's see what happens
18:56<eldowan>is there an ogg -> mp3 conversion process that preserves metadata?
18:56<tonkar>lupine: how was the bash script alternative?
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19:00<lupine>tonkar: `ls <path> |grep -v aux` will give you a list of all the directories & files except aux
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19:01<lupine>(the backticks mean the command is executed, and substituted for it's output)
19:01<tonkar>Thanks lupine!
19:01<isaque>hi there
19:01<isaque>I need some help with usbnet driver
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19:01<isaque>anyone used it before?
19:01<lupine>so you can stick it anywhere you need a list of directories. Probably, anyway
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19:02<tonkar>cp was a bad idea :S
19:03<tonkar>first, i don't now why (i vave used -a option) but the owenrs were not preserved
19:04<tonkar>and second, i don't now why but the hda1 (the prtition where i'm copying the files) is full but is a lot bigger as hda4 (from where i'm copying)
19:04<tonkar>ok ... now try tar before rm
19:04<tcsetattr>the basic formula is tar cf . | ( cd dst && tar xvf - )
19:05<tcsetattr>add other options as desired
19:05<tonkar>i will belive you
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19:14<Reaper_NZ>Ummmm.... Is there any way of resizing a linux drive (Making smaller) and let windows have the rest (E.g. Resize and move from partition magic??
19:17<alaya_>Reaper_NZ: safefest way is to backup the partition somewhere, then grow the win one and copy it back
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19:20<dondelelcaro>Reaper_NZ: yes; just use ext2resize (or whatever is appropriate for your filesystem) to shrink the filesystem, then change the partition table, then grow the windows partition
19:20<dondelelcaro>Reaper_NZ: backing up before you start is a good idea in either case.
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19:21<alaya_>some fs aren't shrinkable
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19:24<dondelelcaro>but you probably shouldn't choose one that isn't.
19:25<tonkar>ok ... "taring ..." tar -c -f --preserve $(ls |grep -v aux|grep -v home) /aux/
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19:26<tonkar>mmm ....
19:27<tcsetattr>that looks pretty messed up.
19:27<tonkar>a lot of files chaged while i was reading this files
19:27<alaya_>dondelelcaro: hmm i though that most of the high-performance journailing ones like xfs and jfs do not shrink, but can grow
19:28<tonkar>last option before rm ... the same thing with tar but with a liveCD
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19:29<tonkar>ok .... thanks tcsetattr, lupine, slownix and all who tried to help me
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19:29<tonkar>i tell you later what happens
19:30<tcsetattr>another person fails the tar(1) intelligence test
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19:30<alaya_>theres a table of FS on this page:
19:30<alaya_>oh my
19:31<tonkar>trying again with --ignore-failed-read
19:32<twb>tcsetattr: "did he eat it [Y/n]?"?
19:33<tcsetattr>apparently tried to use tar as if it was just a cp with different options.
19:33<tcsetattr>in spite of being given a correct pipeline to start with!
19:35<Hessophanes>tcsetattr: Nearly correct, to be fair - your suggestion was missing a dash for the first 'f' option... ;)
19:35<twb>Hessophanes: it can usually be elided
19:35<twb>However you shouldn't provide an f argument when piping
19:35<Hessophanes>Really? Breaks here... "cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"...
19:36<tcsetattr>OK, I failed too. :) tar cf - . | (cd dst && tar xvf -)
19:36<twb>tar c . | ssh fathost tar -C /srv/yow -x
19:36<Hessophanes>twb: But if you don't, doesn't tar default to a tape device? It's a tape archiver, after all...
19:36<twb>Hessophanes: it defaults to stdout
19:36<tonkar>:P ...
19:36<tonkar>i created a file called --preserve xD
19:36<twb>Assuming you mean GNU tar using --create
19:37<tcsetattr>newer versions of GNU tar default to stdin/stdout, but the historical practice is to default to the tape drive. Relying on either is non-portable.
19:37<twb>tcsetattr: fair enough.
19:37<Hessophanes>Ah, I'm living in some ancient time again... must be long ago that I tried tar without f.
19:38<twb>Of course, if you want to be portable you can't even assume POSIX
19:38<tcsetattr>but really I just specify -f - out of habit. I've been doing it so long that I'd have to think harder to decide NOT to use it.
19:38<twb>e.g. /bin/sh on solaris doesn't understand "export foo=bar"
19:38<twb>Right, habit
19:38<tcsetattr>does POSIX require "export foo=bar"? silly bashism from my poitn of view; I always do "foo=bar;export foo" -- another old habit I guess
19:38<tcsetattr>and "find . -print" !
19:39<twb>export foo=bar is a perfectly valid POSIX syntax
19:39<tcsetattr>"foo=bar;export foo" has always worked though. and always will, so why change that habit?
19:39<tcsetattr>oh yeah, and I use expr(1) instead of those $(( )) thingies.
19:39<twb>My point was that minimalist as posix is, you can't assume even THAT if you want to be portable
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19:41<tcsetattr>when you've grown up on SunOS 4, even posh looks bloated.
19:41<Reaper_NZ>O.k. So if I'm using icedove and iceweasel, and konqueror and quanta and all those other bits the users folder is the home folder and that is where pretty much everything is in respect of data???
19:41<twb>I grew up on GNU
19:41<twb>I can't even stand BSD
19:41<lupine>Reaper_NZ: pretty much
19:42<Reaper_NZ>"critical" data... ;)
19:42<twb>No cp -a, man!!
19:42<Reaper_NZ>lupine: Yeah!! Good suggestion.. ;P
19:42<tonkar>why when i do tar -cfps it creates a file called ps?
19:42<tcsetattr>I'm not sure when they made the switch, but I'm pretty sure I've seen -f /dev/st0 as the default even in GNU tar
19:42<lupine>Reaper_NZ: for most apps, yes
19:42<twb>tonkar: because -f takes an argument
19:42<lupine>I still don't have a clue where kmail stores it's stuff
19:42<Reaper_NZ>quanta rocking the house.. :)
19:42<twb>lupine: on the HDD?
19:43<lupine>somewhere, probably
19:43<lupine>I've stopped using it
19:43<tonkar>why tar -cf -p -s $(ls |grep -v aux|grep -v home) /aux/ create "-p" :S
19:43<twb>Please don't use ls programmatically
19:44<twb>And it's because -f takes an argument.
19:44<tonkar>ah .... :P
19:44<tcsetattr>put "-f -"
19:45<tcsetattr>I'm so sorry I forgot the "-" in my first attempt
19:45<tcsetattr>but you're still using it wrong besides. You surely must have noticed I used TWO tar commands in a pipeline...
19:45<tcsetattr>don't make me go to cpio.
19:45<tcsetattr>it seems pretty likely that the reason cp -a didn't work for you was PEBCAK error
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19:46<tonkar>.... my computer restasrted and i have lost you tar with the pipeline
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19:55<lupine>I agree
19:56<lupine>do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?
19:56<Ethereal>no idea
19:56<Ethereal>do you know any good channel to get some mp3?
19:57<lupine>#bearcave ?
19:57<lupine>not here, at any rate
19:58<inaety>hello, i have an HL5140 printer and i have it installed and such under KDE with the appropiate driver...however i cannot print. i tried a test page as well and it says it successfully went to the printer, im using cups
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20:00<alaya_>inaety: fuck installing it under kde. http://localhost:631 and install it under cups directly
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20:01<lupine>the KDE installer always worked fine for me
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20:01<alaya_>maybe. i just use cups directly.
20:01<inaety>alaya_: will do
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20:03<inaety>alaya_: it's still not going!
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20:03<inaety>on http://localhost:631/printers/
20:04<inaety>it says "Filter "foomatic-rip" for printer "HL5140" not available: No such file or directory" next to the name of my printer
20:04<alaya_>lupine: newsletter for what?
20:04<alaya_>inaety: you might need to install foomatic-filters and foomatic-filters-ppds
20:05<alaya_>or foomatic-db and foomatic-db-gutenprint and foomatic-db-engine
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20:05<alaya_>just install them all
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20:07<lupine>alaya_: it's a joke: "I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter" -- used in reponse to nonsensical/idiotic speech, ideas and opinions, it's funny
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20:07<lupine>it's less funny when it needs to be explained, though
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20:09<alaya_>now the other 40% of us who didn't get it can understand :-)
20:09<alaya_>we will laugh slightly less than the 60% however
20:10<lupine>I suppose it's a meme
20:10<tcsetattr>it's a Homer Simpson quote. "your confusing thesis has intrigued me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter"
20:10<alaya_>if i ask what a meme is, will i sound really stupid? i know i could look it up.
20:11<alaya_>oh *that* kind of meme.
20:11<lupine>afraid so :p
20:11<lupine>tcsetattr: so that's the origin? good to know :)
20:12<twb>tcsetattr: how highbrow
20:12<alaya_>how do you pronounce it? meeeem like a long "me" with an "m" on the end?
20:12<tcsetattr>google turns up:
20:12<lupine>like gene, but with an m rather than a f
20:12<lupine>erm, g
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20:13<alaya_>gene has an n, not an m
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20:13<lupine>...and an m rather than an n
20:13<alaya_>don't break out the IPA pls!
20:13<lupine>You'll have to forgive me, it's 2:15am here
20:13<twb>WHʏɛVɛʀ NOT?
20:14<lupine>evil IPA
20:14<twb>Ι ψαν δο οτηερ ψηαραψτερ σετσ, τοο.
20:14<tcsetattr>holy crap.
20:14<lupine>yay, greek
20:15<alaya_>"i forgot how...." something
20:15<twb>twb 입니다
20:15<inaety>alaya_: it wants something called foomatic-rip
20:15<lupine>ど のた さたらた わいたは たへ 日本ご
20:16<lorenzod8n>twb: men inte svenska?? :-(
20:16<lupine>twb: cool, korean?
20:16<twb>lupine: yes.
20:16<twb>Unfortunately my IPA IM only supports western phones.
20:16<alaya_>inaety: search for it: apt-cache search foomatic |egrep -ri rip |less
20:16<lupine>the funny circles always give hangul away
20:16<twb>I can't easily show faucaulization, for example.
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20:17<twb>lupine: hangul is what kana would look like if the Japanese had invented pencils :P
20:17<inaety>alaya_: how on earth do you exit | less?
20:17<alaya_>inaety: q
20:18<inaety>alaya_: i dont see foomatic-rip
20:19<alaya_>inaety: did you go into the config?
20:20<inaety>alaya_: config where?
20:20<alaya_>inaety: the one i told you about a while back
20:20<inaety>alaya_: idk what you are talking about...i installed every footmatic you listed
20:20<lupine>twb: wasn't hangul modernised fairly recently?
20:21<alaya_>inaety: the cups setup
20:21<lupine>ISTR the japanese language being rather unsuitable for similar modernisation due some random peculiarities
20:21<twb>Well, initially Hangul was denigrated and people wrote Chinese
20:21<inaety>alaya_: did i install it under cups, yes
20:22<twb>It made a big comeback around the 1920s
20:22<alaya_>inaety: in there, didn't you select the correct filter to use? were there severl to choose from for your model?
20:22<tcsetattr>according to apt-file search, /usr/bin/foomatic-rip should be in foomatic-filters
20:22<twb>Interestingly, Thomas Edison's father invented a similar system for teaching deaf children to speak
20:22<inaety>alaya_: hmm i must have screwed that up
20:23<alaya_>twb: he invented hangul?
20:23<twb>No, he invented a SIMILAR system
20:23<alaya_>inaety: install the one tcsetattr just said
20:23<alaya_>twb: damn. i was gonna say...
20:23[~]lupine twiddles his fingers at 'cp'
20:23<twb>Hangul was invented a few hundred years before that
20:24<inaety>it's already installed to the newest verision
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20:24<twb>It's probably the newest writing system in wide use.
20:25<twb>Excepting stuff like IPA and Tengwar.
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20:31<burningfire>Hi. Are there any guides geared toward setting up a laptop with Debian? Specifically, I was looking at getting lower temps. Current it idles around 100F/38C, however in Vista it idles around 70F/21C.
20:31<inaety>alaya_: yeah i am not sure what to do with teh server settings
20:31<alaya_>the distinction between a phoneme and allophone is interesting, how a phonme is an abstraction relative to the speaker's perception of the written language
20:31<inaety>alaya_: however now cups webpage says that "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..."
20:32<twb>burningfire: install cpufreqd?
20:32<alaya_>so one allophone might be perceived as 2 different phonemes in one language, but not in another
20:32<twb>alaya_: no no no
20:32<twb>Phones are universal.
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20:32<twb>In a given language, a phoneme is reified (made real) as zero or more phones
20:33<burningfire>twb: I did, nothing improved. I tried some tweaks to the conf file, but I didn't notice anything.
20:33<twb>These are allophones
20:33<alaya_>twb: "Two sounds that may be allophones (sound variants belonging to the same phoneme) in one language may belong to separate phonemes in another language or dialect." from wikipedia
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20:34<alaya_>the IPA symbol / is sort of like " in bash i guess
20:34<twb>It's the wrong way to think about it.
20:34<alaya_>or would it be ` ?
20:34<twb>Phones are fundamental, not phonemes
20:34<twb>/ is used for phonemes, [] for phones (IIUC)
20:34<twb>// is used for phonemes, [] for phones (IIUC)
20:34<alaya_>twb: "phones" = allophones?
20:35<twb>A phone is the fundamental unit of sound.
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20:35<twb>It's universal.
20:35<alaya_>ah i get it
20:35<alaya_>allophone just means two similar sounding phones
20:35<alaya_>but not identical
20:35<twb>Not really.
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20:36<twb>Within a language, one logical phoneme can have several physical phones.
20:36<twb>These phones are -- within the context of that language -- allophones.
20:36<alaya_>oh, they can actually be really different, but still belong to the same phoneme, depending on the language
20:37<twb>For example, in English the sibilants in "she" and "see" are different phonemes.
20:37<twb>But in Korean they are allophones for the same phoneme -- 시.
20:37<twb>phonemes only really exist in your mind.
20:38<twb>Another example would be someone talking with a lisp, you can still understand the logical phonemes even though the actual phones are different.
20:39<alaya_>twb: actually though, would't it be more correct to say that they exist in the language (culture), because the mind, the ear (brain, etc.) is still capable of hearing the phonetic distinctions between allophones of the same phoneme?
20:39<alaya_>this reminds me of all of heidegger's stuff on language...
20:40<twb>To an extent, I guess.
20:40<twb>But after infancy, you lose the ability to produce phones you have not been trained with.
20:40<twb>That is, you lose the ability to learn new phones.
20:41<alaya_>...language as inheritance, or something supra-human that is shared and participated it, but never owned...
20:41<twb>Well, language is always just a convention.
20:41<alaya_>s/participated it/participated in/
20:42<alaya_>the ontologic implications are profound...
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20:57<slownix>i cant get the scroll wheel to work in xorg.
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20:59<slownix>apt-cache search mouse | wheel | grep gui
21:00<slownix>bad syntax also
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21:05<Steelhoof>Question: I have a capture file from wireshark. 860mb size. Wireshark was run as root. The file can be copied to the local filesystem ok. I have a USB flash drive *and* a USB Hard Drive that other files will copy to fine from this system. I get a "not allowed" error when copying. I changed permissions to "everyone read and write" and even tried to copy the copy over. always the same...
21:05<Steelhoof>...error. I did observe the same error when copying files from a /etc archive from a different RedHat install stored on the same drive.
21:05<Steelhoof>is there anyone with a thought on why the error?
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21:09<slownix>man if you could cut and paste from console to x :)
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21:09<slownix>well if some one smarter then me wrote it
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21:14<an1ta>Hi, i'm trying to establish a connection between Ikewiki (a semantic wiki developed on JSP) with postgresql 8.1 but i obtain the following error: Exception: access denied ( localhost resolve)
21:14<an1ta>can anyone help me?
21:16<an1ta>in the pg_hba.conf my first line is: host all all md5 as followed the README instructions.
21:17<an1ta>in postgresql.conf file i uncommented the line listen_addresses = 'localhost'. I'm running debian lenny
21:18[~]Steelhoof kicks abrotman into wakefulness.
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21:20<stew>an1ta: it looks to me that your problem is on the java side, not on the postgres side
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21:21<stew>an1ta: like perhaps you need to edit the file for your jre
21:21<an1ta>stew, i configured java for use java version 1.5.0 (SUN)
21:21<an1ta>with the update-alternatives option
21:21<an1ta> file? :-O
21:22<an1ta>where i can find them?
21:22<an1ta>where i can find it?*
21:22<stew>an1ta: in the lib directory inside the jre install directory
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21:26<Steelhoof>abrotman: ?
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21:30<an1ta>stew, in the /etc/java-1.5.0-sun/security/ i found a line that references to SocketPermission tell me that this directive is required to connect to an OCSP responder, but i don't understand what that means :'(
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21:32<stew>an1ta: it is also possible that your jsp container is coming with its own
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22:16<seth1248>Can anyone tell me what package I need to install in order to create a fat32 partition with gparted?
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22:19<gsimmons>seth1248: Probably 'dosfstools'.
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22:28<zero_>hi, i use proxy server, how can i to connect my terminal apt-get install
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22:29<zero_>i want to config my prompt to connect with proxy serv
22:29<Sk3daR>O_O  [BlééH]
22:29<Sk3daR>alguem aki eh brasilero ?  [BlééH]
22:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:30<Sk3daR>sorry  [BlééH]
22:30<zero_>i 'm braziliam
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22:37<seth1248>Thanks dosfstools did the trick.
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22:57<MBR>i'm looking for a program similar to grabit for windows. but for linux. i've tried PAN but i'm not satisfied. any others like it that are good?
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23:05<kop>What does grabit do?
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23:39<chuy>hi: I got this 33 MHz, 8MB Ram Macintosh LC 580, is it good for running an http+php+mysql/ftp/ssh server or is it very old for my purposes?
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23:44<mcsniff>I think itll be too old
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23:45<XZ>hi all
23:45<XZ>whats new jaja
23:46<XZ>somebody use amarok here?
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23:46<tzafrir_laptop>anybody using cpufreq with kernel 2.6.22-1-686 (or similar)
23:47<tzafrir_laptop>I noticed I don't have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
23:47<tzafrir_laptop>but all the relevant modules seem to be loaded. My CPU is Pentuim 4
23:48<tzafrir_laptop>(the kind that badly overheats a laptop)
23:48<gsimmons>chuy: It's probably more capable as a boat anchor, it would be grossly inadequate for MySQL use (let alone PHP). That said, it would run with the m68k port.
23:48<twb>chuy: it'll be OK for plain FTP and static HTML
23:48<twb>chuy: it won't cope with mysql or php
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23:50<gsimmons>tzafrir_laptop: What make/model is your laptop?
23:51<tzafrir_laptop>HP Pavilion ze5700
23:51<chuy>thanks for your input, I'll be getting another PC then
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23:53<tzafrir_laptop>I've been having a overheating problem with it for quite some time. It is currently set to shut down at 73C . And will often have a working temperature of 68C or so
23:54<tzafrir_laptop>This makes every big compilation shut it down
23:55<alaya_>tzafrir_laptop: try somethink like kpowersave and set it to powersave mode? or install powersaved?
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23:58<kop>chuy : To run all that stuff I'd say what you'll really need is RAM. I'd have to say at least 128MB to be comfortable. That's a guess.
23:59<alaya_>tzafrir_laptop: anyhow, i have a custom-built and it has /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/...
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