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---Logopened Fri Aug 10 00:00:02 2007
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00:00<flexy>you shold have some available space in there?
00:00<networkgamer>i hope so
00:00<networkgamer>its a 5 gig partition
00:00<networkgamer>with a base install from 1cd,with a few minor stuff installed
00:01<flexy>did the df -h ./ show that you've not filled that partition?
00:01<networkgamer>didnt do that
00:01<flexy>well, do that
00:01<networkgamer>used 4.5 out of 4.7 gig
00:01<networkgamer>use 100% though
00:01<networkgamer>how can i clean it up?
00:01<networkgamer>is there something to remove junk files?
00:02<flexy>you have to know the junk files
00:02<flexy>or otherwise you end up deleting something that you need
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00:02<networkgamer>would it help if i removed gnome since i dont use it
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00:03<networkgamer>is there a way i can use grep to find big files?
00:03<flexy>if you have /home in its own partition
00:03<networkgamer>its not,/ is all on 1 partition
00:03<flexy>then it's your's or some other users junk filling that...
00:03<flexy>then it will help.
00:03<networkgamer>but i do have multiple partitions on this laptop
00:03<networkgamer>1 for windows,1 for linux,and the rest for data
00:04<flexy>well, it's the partition keeping home in it, that's the culprit
00:04<networkgamer>windows is 2.8gb,linux is 4.7gb,and data is around 4gb
00:04<flexy>no space to update .Xauthority file
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00:05<networkgamer>is there a way to delete a file sith spaces in it in the command line?
00:05<flexy>first make some space, log in, and find the stuff filling the partition
00:05<networkgamer>i think i know one thing
00:05<flexy>rm file\ with\ spaces
00:05<networkgamer>but the filename has spaces in it
00:05<networkgamer>oh ok
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00:06<networkgamer>now 4.2gb used
00:06<networkgamer>260mb available
00:06<networkgamer>is there a way for grep to seach for big files?
00:06<flexy>man du
00:07<networkgamer>so du -a?
00:07<dondelelcaro>networkgamer: what exactly do you want to know? if a file is bigger than a particular size?
00:08<flexy>something like that. can't remember... that's why there are man pages, that you don't have to remember every detail
00:08<networkgamer>like search for files bigger than 10mb
00:08<dondelelcaro>networkgamer: then find . -type f -size +10M;
00:08<dondelelcaro>networkgamer: man find; for details. (possibly find / -type f -size +10M; or whatever)
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00:09<flexy>dondelelcaro: you don't happen to know acl very well, by any chance? :)
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00:10<dondelelcaro>flexy: which ACL method?
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00:10<flexy>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to limit the "wrong" user to seeing files/directories not his
00:11<networkgamer>oh i know whats taking up a lot of space
00:11<flexy>as in, /var/www/his owner can cd to his dir, but can't see /var/www/hers directory
00:11<dondelelcaro>hrm.. yeah, I haven't use the posix_acl stuff
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00:12<networkgamer>what was that command to check available space?
00:12<flexy>right. it seems that I'm hitting my head to the wall. must be an easy way that I don't see. or an hard way I don't see. Or then there is no way to do it :D
00:12<flexy>but I don't see that option either :D
00:12<flexy>df -h directory
00:14<networkgamer>now i at least have enough space to find stuff with a gui
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00:14<flexy>your welcome
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00:30<flexy>jherrera: I managed to do it with acl, it was pretty easy. PEBCAK seemed to be the reason, when I finally managed to pinpoint it :)
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00:32<jherrera>flexy, kk, did you follow a tutorial so I can check it later?
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00:34<flexy>trial and error
00:35<flexy>jherrera: I'll write a bried description to a priv message?
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00:35<jherrera>flexy, ok, will be much appreciated
00:36<flexy>no probs
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00:42<Clyde>hello all
00:43<Clyde>i need help. . . make added users work for postfix
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01:08<KwikWebHosting>can someone help me with mail (Postfix) ?
01:08<streuner>try #postfix on FN
01:09<KwikWebHosting>tried that already
01:09<KwikWebHosting>u know postfix?
01:10<KwikWebHosting>i know there has to be a simple solution. . . one of my user accts cant login to check mail
01:10<streuner>KwikWebHosting: what does "dpkg -l postfix | tail -1" say?
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01:13<KwikWebHosting>ii postfix 2.3.8-2+b1 A high-performance mail transport agent
01:13<formorer>postfix has exactly nothing to do with the ability to check for mail
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01:14<KwikWebHosting>of course it does
01:14<formorer>no. you check mail via pop3 or imap or local mail client. So they are responsible for that
01:15<KwikWebHosting>so why does it disallow me to check one particular acct?
01:16<formorer>I don't what disallow you to check anything, but its not postfix
01:17<KwikWebHosting>if anyone has a real answer, im open to suggestions
01:17<formorer>it is a real answer. check your imap or pop3 server
01:17<jm_>indeed it is
01:18<jm_>what does mail/mutt say then?
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01:19<KwikWebHosting>i tried mutt. . . .folders arent there so it says error
01:20<KwikWebHosting>---Mutt: (no mailbox)
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01:24<jm_>then find out where mail for that user is supposed to be
01:24<streuner>KwikWebHosting: did you use the right folder in mutt?
01:24<streuner>"-f" option
01:24<KwikWebHosting>i am creating the folder now
01:26<KwikWebHosting>after i created the folder. . . it said it wasnt a mailbox
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01:27<jm_>/var/mail will typically contain files, not directories
01:27<formorer>KwikWebHosting: send the user an email and lock what mail.log says
01:30<KwikWebHosting>thats crazy as hell
01:30<KwikWebHosting>thats all it took
01:31<KwikWebHosting>i sent the mail. . . . then the login worked to check it
01:31<KwikWebHosting>before it was jus refusin the user
01:31<KwikWebHosting>i never thought sendin that user mail would fix the problem
01:32<KwikWebHosting>appreciate the help. . . . u was more helpful than the 300 ppl in the postfix chan
01:32<streuner>!congratulate KwikWebHosting
01:32<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies KwikWebHosting, you did it!
01:33<KwikWebHosting>im new to linux so any accomplishment is a great one
01:33<streuner>keep in mind, at this time they are usually in bed...
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02:15<cTATUK>What's the hotkey to kill a GUI app?(that's hung)
02:15<Nemoder>can try ctrl-alt-esc
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02:17<cTATUK>that's what i thought it was but nope
02:17<cTATUK>on ubuntu it used to cause the cursor to change to an X and then the next window you clicked on would be killed
02:17<Nemoder>depends on WM I spose
02:18<Nemoder>yea that's what mine does in XFCE
02:19<cTATUK>i'm using GNOME
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03:21<WildOS>!free ram
03:21<dpkg>Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
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03:23<Fill|brb>Hey, sometimes I get a message telling me that "The application 'vino-server' (/usr/lib/vino/vino-server) wants access to the keyring, but it is locked
03:23<Fill|brb>and asks me to enter a password
03:23<padski>WildOS: I have some 32-pin simms you can have ;-)
03:23<Fill|brb>What kind of message is that, and what should I do to unlock the keyring?
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03:23<cTATUK>Fill: Someone is probably trying to remotely access/control your computer.
03:24<Fill>I know, it's me
03:24<Fill>I often use vino server
03:24<cTATUK>check in vino-preferences
03:24<Fill>However sometimes I am unable to have remote access, because this message appears in my desktop when I'm away
03:25<cTATUK>check in vino-preferences
03:25<cTATUK>under Security
03:25<cTATUK>make sure 'Ask you for confirmation' and 'Require the user to enter this password:' are disabled
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03:26<Fill>man, if I disable 'Require the user to enter this password:', everyone is able to enter in my computer
03:26<Fill>isn't it?
03:26<cTATUK>i guess leave that enabled
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03:26<cTATUK>but disable the other thing
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03:27<WildOS>padski: =)
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03:27<Fill>Yeah it was already disabled cTATUK
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03:28<cTATUK>Fill: Are you only using other Debian systems when accessing this one?
03:28<cTATUK>as the accessing system
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03:28<Fill>•cTATUK• no, the system where vino is running is Debian. The computers from where I have remote access are Windows ones
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03:29<cTATUK>you should really look into setting up xrdp
03:29<cTATUK>on your Debian system
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03:29<cTATUK>this will allow you to connect with the default windows remote access client
03:30<cTATUK>no need for a VNC client
03:30<cTATUK>and it will probably get rid of this issue you're having
03:31<Fill>I'll check it
03:31<d3ck4_>hey i found a buffer overflow in esound shared libraries
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03:57<Sir_Ahzz>ok, who here has setup both the server and client for nfs4 on Debian and has a minute to tell me where i'm being a bonehead?
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03:58<amorphous_>I'm struggling with user accounts losing their internet connection.It happens intermitently and fairly frequently, but the admin account has no problems. can anyone offer any reason there may be for this? I'm a bit stumped.
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03:58<alex_>do they go through a debian box?
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04:04<amorphous_>alex_, its an ubuntu box. I can't find anything or anyone that can shed any light. (sorry - a bit slow was searching for answers)
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04:05<amorphous_>the admin account is fine and wireless users are fine, but the user accounts keep losing their connection
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04:05<amorphous_>the box in question is connected to the router/modem by eth cable
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04:10<amorphous_>no-one has any suggestions?
04:11<amorphous_>alex - you stop talking to me because I not debian?
04:12<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>.
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04:14<sep>Sir_Ahzz, your questions was very low on detail. don't expect real answers with so little detail.
04:14<sep>!tell Sir_Ahzz about ask
04:14<Sir_Ahzz>*sigh* I find that askign if anyone is familiiar with my type of issue first helps. THEN I get into details.
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04:15<jherrera>how can I handle multiple internet domains in my PC?
04:15[~]Sir_Ahzz puts a cork in dpkg, heard it before, years ago bot. :)
04:16<Sir_Ahzz>ag-: i'm new to v4. used v2 for many years.
04:16<sep>jherrera, depends on the application
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04:17<Sir_Ahzz>v4 is showing as mounted on the client, can do a simple "ls" of the dir, but if I try to get details fo the dir, it never completes the listing.
04:18<jherrera>sep, suppose I have /var/www/programming & /var/www/ezines, and I bought, and from a registrar, how do I redirect them correctly?
04:18<amorphous_>ok - thanks gents.
04:18<ag->Sir_Ahzz: ?
04:18<Sir_Ahzz>jherra, if apache or apache2, setup named virtual servers.
04:19<sep>Sir_Ahzz, details == ls -l or ?
04:19<Sir_Ahzz>ag-: stupid auto complete mistake. I meant 'a:' :)
04:19<Sir_Ahzz>sep, correct.
04:19<ag->Sir_Ahzz: :]
04:20<sep>jherrera, since you say /var/www i am assuming you are talking about apache (or another web server) for apache2 you'd make virtual hosts, preferably as site files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ also check out the a2ensite command
04:20<Sir_Ahzz>sep, using 2.6.21-2-686 client, and 2.6.21-1-k7 server.
04:20<sep>for other webservers it's different (as i said. depends on application)
04:20<Sir_Ahzz>debian testing, fresh update/upgrade tonight.
04:21<Sir_Ahzz>all the requisite rpc and portmap etc daemons are present and talking.
04:21<Sir_Ahzz>use nfs2, love it, but no > 2GB files.
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04:21<Sir_Ahzz>nfs3 and nfs4 mounts, *boom*
04:22<jherrera>sep, yes apache2, thx, will do a search on google
04:23<sep>Sir_Ahzz, can you interup (ctrl+c) the ls -l ?
04:24<Sir_Ahzz>nope, but I can kill -9 it.
04:24<Sir_Ahzz>the last packet through is a lstat to the server, and an ack from the server to the client.
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04:25<Sir_Ahzz>df works on it correctly.
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04:25<Sir_Ahzz>ls works.
04:25<sep>and the logs state nothing at all on nither server nor client ?
04:25<sep>sounded a bit like stale mount but
04:25<Sir_Ahzz>lovely. so you can't mount a filesystem under your /exports dir eh?
04:26<Sir_Ahzz>unmount the second filesystem on the server from /exports/MythTV and poof, it works.
04:26<Sir_Ahzz>i wonder what happens if I do the non-obvious thing and set a fsid on the second mount point.....
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04:29<Sir_Ahzz>Aug 10 04:29:24 localhost mountd[9118]: Cannot export /nfs4/SVN, possibly unsupported filesystem or fsid= required
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04:30<Sir_Ahzz>it's the presence of mounts on subdirs that is causing me grief.
04:30<Sir_Ahzz>why can't v4 be nice and dumb like v2?
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04:35<jm_>maybe it just requires an option in your exports file - doesn't V2 require that?
04:35<Sir_Ahzz>it's friggin sub-exports. which are required if you use more than one filesystem int he tree.
04:35<Sir_Ahzz>yeah, I just used /exports/.... multiple mount points and automount.
04:36<Sir_Ahzz>so based on the manuals i've read online tonight, i'm suposed to exports /exports as fsid=0, then the rest as normal.
04:36<Sir_Ahzz>it's these other partitions ont he server that are killing me it seems.
04:38<Sir_Ahzz>the trouble is, everyone assumes you are exporting a mammoth filesystem called "kitchensink"
04:38<Sir_Ahzz>so noone bothers to talk about multiple filesystems beyond --bind mounting.
04:38<Sir_Ahzz>hm, would reiservs matter here? shouldn't, that's what /exports is as well as /exports/SVN and /exports/MythTV
04:39<padski>Sir_Ahzz: its been a long while since I did much nfs, but hasn't it been that way for a long time ?
04:39<Sir_Ahzz>see why me, a 15 year veteran of linux is getting frustrated? :)
04:39<Sir_Ahzz>padski: yeah, multiple filessytems in an export used to be controlled by no_subtree_check
04:39<jm_>back in the good old days user space nfsd had a switch to allow re-exporting mounted file systems
04:40<Sir_Ahzz>it was unreliable at best in my experience, hence the 10 different exports and mounts
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04:40<Sir_Ahzz>Why they couldn't just do nfs2.1 with > 2GB file support, I dunno. ;)
04:41<padski>Sir_Ahzz: is there a particular reason you can't do mounts per filesystem 1:1 ? I still get queasy everytime I mount an fs on anything other than the root ;-)
04:42<padski>(although I can't remember exactly why!)
04:42<Sir_Ahzz>padski, nfs2 doesn't do > 2GB files.
04:42<Sir_Ahzz>nfs3 doesn't work at all for me.
04:42<Sir_Ahzz>nfs4 blows up on submounts and forces individual filesystems.
04:43<Sir_Ahzz>erm forces a "root" I meant.
04:43<Sir_Ahzz>all I need are > 2GB files via the network.
04:43<Sir_Ahzz>is it so much to ask for? :)
04:43<padski>Sir_Ahzz: you have files larger than 2GB you want to serve over nfs. I vauguely recall doing that with movies
04:43<Sir_Ahzz>exactly, hence /exports/MythTV
04:44<Sir_Ahzz>HDTV recordings of 2+ hours.
04:44<padski>and what was "forces individual filesystems" ? can you not live with that ?
04:44<Sir_Ahzz>I could use the ugly workaround built into mythtv of chain-playing files, but I loose my overall timescale and position indication, plus other quirks taht I just find ugly as sin.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>I use EVMS to partition up 4 500G disks as I need to.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>some filesystems are stripes (ideo) some are simple raid-1, some are raid5.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>all depending on the need of the data being held.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>this is a very normal situation for any kind of serious server supporting fileserver.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>nfsv4 *should* be relatively painless to setup.
04:45<Sir_Ahzz>butit isn't.
04:45<padski>Sir_Ahzz: lol
04:46<Sir_Ahzz>ag-: there aren't more than 1 mountable points like in v2 and v3.
04:46<Sir_Ahzz>damn autocomplete again.
04:46<Sir_Ahzz>in v4 you get ONE point in the filesystem that you can export.
04:46<Sir_Ahzz>and ONE that you mount.
04:47<padski>Sir_Ahzz: gosh! I had no idea
04:47<Sir_Ahzz>there are in truth more mount points if you have multiple filesystems, which you have to specify on the server, but the client is *supposed* to handle transparently based on tree rule on the server.
04:47<Sir_Ahzz>v2 and v3 won't do > 2G files ( v3 can't based on readings tonight from googling)
04:48<Sir_Ahzz>so, i'm stuck with v4, or some other exotic spend-20-days-setting-it-up netowrk filesystem.
04:48<Sir_Ahzz>or I go with samba *shudder*
04:48<Sir_Ahzz>scarry that samba is easier than v4. :)
04:48<padski>Sir_Ahzz: last time I used samba, it couldn't either ;-)
04:48<Sir_Ahzz>hm, guess I never poked past 2g then, just really really close.
04:49<Sir_Ahzz>so samba is right out.
04:49<padski>Sir_Ahzz: well, last time I looked, but that was, like, more than 10 years ago :-)
04:49<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I wouldn't rule it out, take a look
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04:49<Sir_Ahzz>my biggest files are dvd ISOs that mythtv created from importing my DVDs.
04:49<Sir_Ahzz>one is 8.1GB
04:49<Sir_Ahzz>can't really break those up.
04:50<Sir_Ahzz>second, if I can get this working i'll be moving my production servers to nfsv4
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04:50<Sir_Ahzz>which is why I asked for someone experienced in nfsv4 right up front instead of just goign on a 2 page explanation only to find out that noone here knows nfs4 that well.
04:50<Chipper>i have got a very bi problem
04:50<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I vaguely recall transcoing mine down to about 1 and 2G, but If you have the space and you want the quality ... why should you ?
04:50<Sir_Ahzz>instead, I get the stock dpkg !ask crap. :)
04:51<Chipper>do somebody know program vsftpd?
04:51<Sir_Ahzz>I don't want to transcode. I WANT my various languages, subtitles, extras, etc.
04:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
04:52<Sir_Ahzz>padski: askign if there is an expert in a field is acceptable IMHO.
04:52<padski>Sir_Ahzz: well, I've got a few minutes to kill. let me have a play about with it here ...
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04:52<Sir_Ahzz>askign if someone is a linux expert, well, THEN you can !ask them. ;)
04:52<JasonS>Sir_Ahzz: we prefer they actually just ask the real question here
04:52<padski>Sir_Ahzz: "Is there a doctor in the house?" :-)
04:52<Sir_Ahzz>Thanks. :) I would appreciate that.
04:53<Sir_Ahzz>jason, really? 6 years ago (back on pre-freenode) I could ask fi someone was experienced in a specific area before launchign into a 2 page question.
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04:53<JasonS>well here and on freenodes #debian you'll get the !ask or !anyone blurb from dpkg if you go anyone use...
04:53<Chipper>ok. when i want to connect to port 20 on my computer from other computer id does not work, but port 21 work fine. But i can connect to port 21,20 from localhost. Where is the problem?
04:54<streuner>connected through router?
04:54<Sir_Ahzz>JasonS: getting that should depend on the issue being an obcure tech or a "anyone use linux" type question, not an automatic.
04:54<burningfire>Hi. I need some help about xorg drivers. I compiled and am currently running a new kernel. The nv driver that was included as debian package through aptitude seems to not work as well as the proprietary nvidia driver that I just installed. Do I need to compile the nv driver again to get the results I had before on my old kernel? The main issue is lag when I resize or drag a window, or scroll through a window. I am not talking ab
04:54<padski>Sir_Ahzz: it doesn't look any different to the last time I looked at it. what I generally do is use exportfs to export the filesystem ...
04:54<Sir_Ahzz>otherwise you start to sound like a $8/hr phone bank. ;-P
04:55<padski>Sir_Ahzz: you're doing that yeah ?
04:55<Sir_Ahzz>padski: right, mount a second filesystem in a subdir of your export on the server then try to ls that subdir on the client.
04:55<streuner>Chipper: what should listen on port 20?
04:55<Chipper>streuner, ftp server
04:55<padski>Sir_Ahzz: no, don't do that. my recollection is it doesn't work :-)
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04:55<Sir_Ahzz>ex, /exports is your nfs4 root, mount a partition as /exports/SVN then list it on the client.
04:55<Sir_Ahzz>it blocks solid.
04:55<streuner>Chipper: didn't you configure your ftp-server not via 21?
04:56<Sir_Ahzz>padski: heh, if I bind mount from somewhere else I get the same result.
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04:56<Sir_Ahzz>which, if nfs4 is limited to just one partition being exported, it's worthless.
04:56<Chipper>Steelhoof, yes.... but ftp server using for data transfer port 20 too
04:56<padski>Sir_Ahzz: export each filesystem individually, mount each mount individually :-)
04:56<Sir_Ahzz>padski, nfs4 gives you ONE root mount point.
04:56<Sir_Ahzz>nfs3 and nfs2, you get multiple.
04:56<padski>Sir_Ahzz: huh ?
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04:57<Sir_Ahzz>problem is, nfs4 does > 2GB files, nfs3 and nfs2 don't.
04:57<Chipper>streuner, yes.... but ftp server using for data transfer port 20 too
04:57<Sir_Ahzz>see the issue?
04:57<Sir_Ahzz>I need 4, 4 does ONE root export.
04:57<Sir_Ahzz>exporting submounts from nfs-kernel-server appears busted hardcore.
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04:57<Sir_Ahzz>hence, nfs4 on linux server is worthless it would appear.
04:58<Sir_Ahzz>if you can explain how to get the server to behave when exporting /exports AND /exports/SVN, i'd kiss ya.
04:58<Chipper>streuner, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 20 -j ACCEPT
04:58<padski>Sir_Ahzz: follow me as I experiment live ...
04:58<streuner>Chipper: what happens if you disable fw?
04:58<padski>I create a couple of 5G LVs, call them test1 & 2
04:58<Sir_Ahzz>I tried setting two root exports /exports/SVN and /exports/MythTV, nfs-kernel-server bitches about there being multiple roots and balks.
04:59<Sir_Ahzz>nfs4 keeps telling me I can have only 1 root export.
04:59<Chipper>streuner, i'm beginer in linux... how can i disable firewall?
04:59<Sir_Ahzz>Am I making this any clearer?
04:59<streuner>Chipper: How did you even enable FW? :-)
04:59<Sir_Ahzz>padski, yes, 2 volumes.
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04:59<padski>Sir_Ahzz: when you say "it bitches"
04:59<Sir_Ahzz>mount the first as /exports
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04:59<Chipper>streuner, ./iptable
04:59<streuner>Debian doesn't use a FW by default
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05:00<Sir_Ahzz>padski: yes, as in ti refuses the /etc/exports file as invalid.
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05:00<streuner>well, daemons you disable usually via /etc/init.d/<script>
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05:00<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I'm not using the /etc/exports file, I'm using exportfs. I ask you again, are you using exportfs ?
05:00<Chipper>streuner, oh thanks i'll try it
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05:01<Sir_Ahzz>padski: /etc/exports is what exportfs reads from just like mount from fstab
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05:01<mufasa>jag tycker om dig
05:01<padski>Sir_Ahzz: used to be
05:01<Sir_Ahzz>specifying commad line params to exportfs vs /etc/exports is the same.
05:01<padski>Sir_Ahzz: man exportfs
05:02<Sir_Ahzz>without /etc/exports I have to MANUALLY enter exportfs commands on every boot. unacceptable solution.
05:02<mufasa>someone give me password to grummund.location/boot
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05:02<Sir_Ahzz>padski, yes, read exoprtfs man pages already 5 times.
05:02<Chipper>streuner, bash: /etc/init.d/iptables: není souborem ani adresářem
05:03<Sir_Ahzz>Normally this xtab file is initialized with the list of all file systems named in /etc/exports by invoking exportfs -a
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05:03<Chipper>streuner, bash: /etc/init.d/iptables: is not file or folder
05:03<Sir_Ahzz>from the man pages
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05:03<streuner>Chipper: package iptables use that, HOW did you install iptables then?
05:04<padski>Sir_Ahzz: ok, well, it's been while, let's continue with the experiment
05:04<mufasa>ass itches.
05:04<Sir_Ahzz>anyways, exportfs reads /etc/exports and spits it to mountd, let's assume taht for now.
05:04<Chipper>streuner, i'dont know
05:04<padski>Sir_Ahzz: so I mount my FSes on /exports/test1 and 2
05:05<padski>Sir_Ahzz: and I exportfs my mounts
05:05<Sir_Ahzz>so I specified my 2 export points as /exports (with fsid=0 to indicate it's the virtual root fs to nfs4 mountd)
05:05<streuner>Chipper: dpkg -l iptables
05:05<Sir_Ahzz>and the second as /exports/SVN (without a fsid= option.)
05:05<Sir_Ahzz>I have /dev/evms/evports_lv mounted as /exports
05:06<Sir_Ahzz>and /dev/evms/svn_lv mounted at /exports/SVN
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05:06<Sir_Ahzz>now, based ont eh 5 different tutlrials having those two exports entries *should* make both mount points show up with a SINGLE mount command from the client: mount -t nfs4 /exports
05:06<Sir_Ahzz>the mount call works.
05:06<padski>Sir_Ahzz: hmmm ... why do you want to exoprt /export and mount something under it ?
05:07<Sir_Ahzz>if is "ls /exports/" I get the normal listing of SVN, df shows me how much is free in /exports on the server.
05:07<Sir_Ahzz>BUT if you do "ls -l /exports" it blocks permanently.
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05:08<Sir_Ahzz>I see a repeating lstat request go over the wire to the nfsd, which the nfsd then acks that request packet. and that's it.
05:08<padski>Sir_Ahzz: "doctor, when I do this, it hurts" ;-)
05:08<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I still don't understand why you want to do it ?
05:08<Sir_Ahzz>if I unmount /exports/SVN on the server, poof, ti starts working.
05:09<padski>Sir_Ahzz: that is how it worked last time I looked, which has to have been a few years back.
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05:09<Sir_Ahzz>haven't you listened at all?
05:09<Sir_Ahzz>i'm frustrated as all hell here.
05:09<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I don't get this single tree thing
05:09<padski>Sir_Ahzz: it works for me.
05:09<Sir_Ahzz>go read the tutorials, and the RFC.
05:09<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I spent months patch the kernel when I first got it to work for me
05:10<Sir_Ahzz>nfs4 has ONE root export point, all other exports are SUBmounts
05:10<Sir_Ahzz>there is no multiple randomly placed exports like in nfs3 and nfs2.
05:10<Sir_Ahzz>the idea being to force the admin to be aware of what point in the filesystem is exposed via nfs.
05:11<Sir_Ahzz>instead of just saying "gee, should I export this?" they force you into using ONE point in the filesystem.
05:11<Sir_Ahzz>stupid admin prevention measures
05:11<Sir_Ahzz>makes it a PITA for others.
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05:11<padski>Sir_Ahzz: agree. root should have enough rope to shoot him/herself in the foot :-)
05:11<Sir_Ahzz>after about 15 seconds of the ls -l /exports blocking when /exports/SVN is mounted, the kernel spits out taht erroror message.....
05:12<Chipper>i'll disable firewall but it still do not work
05:12<Chipper>streuner, i'll disable firewall but it still do not work
05:12<Sir_Ahzz>/var/log/daemon.log:Aug 10 04:34:41 localhost mountd[9118]: Cannot export /nfs4/SVN, possibly unsupported filesystem or fsid= required
05:12<Sir_Ahzz>doesn't matter if I put in fsid=1, or not. still barfs.
05:13<padski>Sir_Ahzz: so if I'm installing the nfs-client and nfs-kernel-server on etch, which nfs version is that ?
05:13<Sir_Ahzz>so, could it be that exporting a reiserfs volume isn't fully supported? highly doubtfull,
05:13<Sir_Ahzz>nfs-kernel-server on Testing == v4.
05:13<padski>Sir_Ahzz: the jury is out on that one ;-)
05:13<Sir_Ahzz>any 2.6.x > .8 should be nfsv4 kernel server.
05:13<Sir_Ahzz>padski, i'm getting sick of people bashing on reiserfs.
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05:13<Sir_Ahzz>it's been going on for FAR too long.
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05:14<Sir_Ahzz>ext3 has eaten FAR more data than reiserfs has in my experiences in using it.
05:14<Sir_Ahzz>ext3 has caused MORE downtime.
05:14<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I mean no harm honestly.
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05:14<Sir_Ahzz>so the next person that says anythign about reiserfs being "unstable" is going ot get it.
05:15<Sir_Ahzz>ok, sorry, pet peeve.
05:15[~]Sir_Ahzz puts away the shotgun full of salt shot.
05:15<Sir_Ahzz>anyways, the message says "unsupported fs or fsid= needed"
05:15<Sir_Ahzz>so I try an etx2 filesystem as /SVN. same results.
05:15<padski>Sir_Ahzz: my experiment isd not going very well. it says: "mount to NFS server failed: server is down." :-(
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05:16<Sir_Ahzz>it balks on getting extended fstat info on SVN
05:16<Sir_Ahzz>if it's simple directory listing of /exports, it works.
05:16<Sir_Ahzz>if it's simple directory listing of /exports/SVN/subdir1 it works.
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05:16<Sir_Ahzz>if I try to get any kind of fstat or lstat info on /exports/SVN it blocks. and eventually throws that can't export crap.
05:17<Sir_Ahzz>make sense yet?
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05:17<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I'm a "have to see it for myself" sort of guy. help me out here ...
05:17<Sir_Ahzz>and people ask me why I bother #debian-devel with questions like this.... :)
05:17<Sir_Ahzz>padski: I hear you.
05:18<padski>Sir_Ahzz: mount to NFS server X failed: server is down.
05:18<Sir_Ahzz>ok, first, solve that issue, you are missing a daemon or something.
05:18<Sir_Ahzz>ps axuw | grep -e rpc -e nfs -e portmap
05:18<padski>Sir_Ahzz: what should I have ?
05:18<Sir_Ahzz>make certain you have idmapd
05:18<Sir_Ahzz>you should have [nfs4] and several [nfs] instances as well.
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05:19<Sir_Ahzz>portmap is unnecessary for v4, but since it also oes v3, it'll give grief at startup for not finding portmap.
05:19<Sir_Ahzz>ont he server that is.
05:19<Sir_Ahzz>on the client, you'll need nfs-common and idmapd
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05:19<padski>Sir_Ahzz: I have nfsd4 nfsdx8 rpciod/0 rpciod/1 rpc.mountd rpc.statd rpc.idmapd
05:20<Sir_Ahzz>ok, then your server is online.
05:20<Sir_Ahzz>cd /var/log ; tail -f kern.log daemon.log auth.log
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05:20<Sir_Ahzz>then try to restart nfsd
05:20<Sir_Ahzz>if no errors, then try to mount.
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05:20<Sir_Ahzz>you shoudl see somethign about mount or mount failed on the server.
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05:21<Sir_Ahzz>if not and you still get "can't contact server", then you're firewalled or somethign. port 2049 tcp shoudl be open for v4
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05:21<Sir_Ahzz>to mount you have to specify -t nfs4 to mount.
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05:22<Sir_Ahzz>second, your mount point for v4 is mapped, if you specify /exports in /etc/exports as your fsid=0, then the client would call myserver:/ as the server export to get /exports
05:22<Sir_Ahzz>see what I mean about v4 having a single virtual root now?
05:22<padski>ah -t nfs4 makes a difference
05:22<Sir_Ahzz>everything else MUST be under that root export identified by fsid=0
05:23<padski>now it just says it failed. doesn't say server is down :-)
05:23<Sir_Ahzz>if you don't specify, then it falls back to v3, and then to v2
05:23<Sir_Ahzz>IMHO it should assume v4, then fallback to v3, then to v2.
05:23<padski>Sir_Ahzz: lol
05:23<Sir_Ahzz>but hey, iwasn't asked hwo to make a networked filesystem simple. :)
05:24<Sir_Ahzz>the whole damn thing is made to be secure by complexity I think. 8P
05:24<Sir_Ahzz>gotta be well trained to get it to run at all, which means you're goign to be trained well enough to NOT export /
05:25<Sir_Ahzz>and if you DO export /, then it blocks submounts by default aparantly, which on commonly well setup server will be /home /usr /tmp etc.
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05:25<Sir_Ahzz>I've gotta hit the sack. it's 5:25AM here. 8-P
05:25<Sir_Ahzz>have fun beating your head against nfs4. :)
05:26<padski>Sir_Ahzz: ok, I'll let you know how I get on :-)
05:26<Sir_Ahzz>all the stories and manuals say it's theholy grail of networked filesystems..... if you can make it work. ;)
05:26<padski>Sir_Ahzz: you're not still falling for that old one ?
05:26<Sir_Ahzz>heck no.
05:26<padski>Sir_Ahzz: lol
05:26<Sir_Ahzz>they forgot about KISS when they designed v4 IMHO
05:27<Sir_Ahzz>bastiges were corrupted by MS I think.
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05:27<Sir_Ahzz>anyways..... enough of my frustrated rantings. sleep! I'll be back around 3PM (~10h from now)
05:27<Sir_Ahzz>if I figure it out i'll write it up on a wiki somewhere.
05:29<padski>Sir_Ahzz: nite
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05:30<bl0ck>hi all, does anybody know about a channel where i can ask about "monit"
05:30<bl0ck>the monitoring system
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05:31<padski>Sir_Ahzz: do you have this crossmnt option ?
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05:37<bl0ck>i have a small problem configuring monit to monitor my bind9 server, it says Connection failed. i have configured monit according and my corrent environment (pid files paths e.t.c.)- everything works except BIND
05:38<bl0ck>in the log file i get following:Aug 10 11:35:19 ns1 monit[16264]: DNS: no answer records returned
05:38<bl0ck>and then: Aug 10 11:35:19 ns1 monit[16264]: 'named' failed protocol test [DNS] at INET[] via TCP
05:39<bl0ck>the same comes also for UDP
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05:41<debian>Fatal server error:
05:41<debian>could not open default font 'fixed'
05:41<debian>what package should i install?
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05:55<mojo_monkey>does any one know java
05:56<amphi>mojo_monkey: no
05:56<alex_>mojo_monkey, whats java?
05:56<alex_>mojo_monkey, try #java
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06:01<mojo_monkey>whos into programming
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06:04<alex_>mojo_monkey, this is a debian channel
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06:14<padski>when I do rpcinfo -p <IP> I get Connection refused. on the rpc server it looks to be listening on any, responds to queries on the loopback and I have portmap: <IP> in hosts.allow. what didi I forget ?
06:15<padski>jm_: empty chains, policy accept
06:15<jm_>padski: well connection refused means nothing is listening on port it's trying to connect on
06:15<jm_>padski: strace it
06:16<jm_>strace -e connect
06:16<padski>jm_: sorry bout that. just realised I'm using the wrong IP !
06:16<padski>jm_: thanks
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06:24<padski>I just saw tcpdump say a port number like 2305898655. I didn;t think they went up that high ?
06:25<padski>there is some rpc stuff happening. an rpc feature ?
06:25<jm_>probably not TCP port then
06:26<padski>jm_: that was my thinking :-)
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06:27<Berge>padski: TCP ports are 16-bit, så the maximum port number is 2^16.
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06:33<mav>i am trying to install limewire but it depends on sun-java6-jre, when i try and apt-get this package it claims to have no installation candidate
06:34<mav>how do i obtain this package?
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06:34<jm_>are you using testing?
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06:37<mav>lenny and unstable
06:37<mav>i have tried as apt-get sources
06:38<piju>can anybody here explain to me what is aircrack ?
06:38<piju>and how to use it ?
06:38<jm_>it's in non-free
06:39<mav>dont mean to sound niave but can i access that without paying?
06:39<dpkg>non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: is in there . See #debian-nonfree and, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or Also ask me about "vrms"
06:41<mav>thank you very much
06:41<jm_>no worries
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06:41<mav>is it worth using this in my souces? or should i just stick to lenny?
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06:42<jm_>lenny is a release, this is just a different category within the same release
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06:43<tycale>The mount point '/media/My Book-1' is already occupied , how can I destroy this mount point ?
06:43<chealer>component or section, even
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06:44<jm_>yeah it's probably better described on the URLs above
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06:53<padski>tycale: a mount point is just a directory
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06:55<padski>tycale: a mount point is just a directory
06:55<tycale>yes, i see that
06:55<tycale>su | rm -r /media my\ book-1
06:55<padski>tycale: so what do you mean "destroy"
06:56<tycale>It's okay now ;)
06:56<padski>tycale: ok :-)
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06:57<tycale>hmm, can you help me for this error : tycale is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
06:57<tycale>When i try to do something with sudo
06:57<padski>tycale: you are in trouble now ;-)
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06:58<padski>tycale: man sudo
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06:59<tycale>visudo ?
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06:59<tycale>and I add : tycale ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
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06:59<padski>which, annoyingly, doesn't bring up vi here :-)
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07:00<tycale># This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
07:01<padski>tycale: yes, I saw. and visudo is a real ELF binary too :-)
07:02<tycale>it's ok
07:03<padski>yeah, I was much happier after I did: export EDITOR=vim
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07:03<cahoot>a case for update-alternatives?
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07:05<padski>cahoot: I'm not sure that it's fair to go as far as wishing vim on people by default ;-)
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07:07<padski>I have an excel workbook with macros that I need to get working under OOo ...
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07:10<grummund_>Hi, anyone here able to help diagnose (what i think is) a network issue getting mplayer-plugin to work?
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07:11<grummund_>It's constantly saying: Connecting to server[]:80...
07:11<grummund_>yet i can telnet to port 80 at the IP from the command line and it connects
07:12<grummund_>sometimes the message briefly changes to "Buffering blah...", then back to "Connecting to server ..."
07:14<padski>grummund_: and[]:80 is talking http ?
07:14<padski>grummund_: you could try using tcpdump or wireshark to dump the traffic
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07:15<grummund_>padski: connecting with telnet there is no banner, but if i type QUIT it responds with some html
07:15[~]grummund_ knows not how to speak http
07:16<jm_>GET / HTTP/1.0
07:16<jm_>or just GET /
07:16<jm_>or HEAD
07:17<padski>grummund_: I'm not too clever on this either, but I think telnet is probably not a good match for http. perhaps netcat ?
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07:17<grummund_>GET / sends back what looks like the home page and then drops the connection - that's expected behaviour?
07:17<grummund_>but mplayer-plugin just hangs there retrying the connection, with intermittent "Buffering blah ..."
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07:19<grummund_>ok thanks
07:21<padski>Desensitize: that's a handy link you have there ;-)
07:21<tycale>Desensitize: ok
07:22<jm_>wonder why they added apt-cache to the list of commands
07:22<Desensitize>padski: that link is amazin!
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07:25<padski>Desensitize: I have to say, having looked at it, that I am amazed :-)
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07:34<thctlo2>hi, does somebody knows how i can install debian etch and use YAIRD as initrd loader, from install.
07:34<formorer>you can't
07:35<thctlo2>i cant ?
07:35<formorer>yaird is no more supported by the etch installer (afaik)
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07:36<thctlo2>then.. does someone know how i can install on a megaraid_sas ( raid 1 ), after reboot im getting errors in busybox.
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07:37<thctlo2>i can install, no problem, but after reboot no go anymore, i can boot from cd, mount the partitions, chroot to /target
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07:37<thctlo2>then i can install yaird, but what to do from this point ?
07:38<thctlo2>i need yaird for my Dell PE2900 server.. :-(
07:38<monra>hello... i need to make my ip static ip. any ideas how can i succed this in etch?
07:38<jm_>you can install yaird prior to reboot
07:38<thctlo2>jm_ , how can i do that ?
07:38<bintang_girl>i donnn know
07:38<jm_>thctlo2: the same way you install other packages?
07:38<thctlo2>i'm in the installer atm, point "Install the base system"
07:39<jm_>thctlo2: ahh wait, you can't, you'll have to use dpkg
07:39<jm_>on tty2
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07:39<thctlo2>jm_ where do i get yaird from. ? internet or cd ?
07:40<irwiss>monra; man interfaces |grep -A 20 static
07:40<jm_>thctlo2: depends on which CD you have, but you can always fetch it from your debian mirror
07:40<monra>irwiss, thanks
07:40<thctlo2>i have CD1 , full iso.
07:41<jm_>!cd contents
07:41<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD:, or
07:41<jm_>see if it's there
07:43<thctlo2>hmm.. cd4, i'll wget the packages and depends..
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07:45<thctlo2>doe i install yaird before the base system install, in the boot/install strap or after ( chroot /target ) and then install ( before the kernel install )
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07:46<jm_>I would install it after the kernel
07:46<jm_>but why do you think you need it?
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07:47<thctlo2>i need yaird to create a good initrd file. het initrd-cramfs wont work on a megaraid_sas controller
07:47<jm_>why not? you can tell it manually to include given module if it can't figure it out on its own
07:48<thctlo2>yes in /etc/mkinitrd/modules .. i already tried that, but then still debian hangs in busybox
07:49<thctlo2>am already 1 day busy thrying to install this server.
07:49<jm_>you mean it drops you to a shell?
07:50<jm_>then it should be easy to figure it out, start by checking if it detects the device
07:51<thctlo2>wel it detecs it, .. ;-) , the debian installer detects the controller without any problem.
07:51<jm_>no, the installed system
07:51<thctlo2>how can i figure this out when im in a busybox ?
07:52<jm_>doesn't it have commands like dmesg and ls?
07:52<monra>irwiss, i don't understand it
07:52<monra>any easier ideas how to make my ip static?
07:53<thctlo2>yes, but in busybox, i checked, there are no modules, no /etc/fstab , so no megaraid_sas driver.
07:53<thctlo2>i already made a new initrd with the module megaraid_sas build in the initrd and still , no go..
07:53<jm_>that can't be - if there were no modules no block device could be mounted ever
07:53<irwiss>monra; google for 'debian static ip', first result ;)
07:53<jm_>so load it manually
07:54<thctlo2>ok, lets try, im resuming my installation. , now , installing the base system
07:55<thctlo2>i tried a lot already, last time i had so much problems was 4 years ago with the hpt ( softraid ) drivers, and i was able to install that.. :D
07:56<thctlo2>=> selecting kernel 2.6.18-4-686
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07:56<thctlo2>( running 2x Quad, 2.16Mhz ( 8Gb Ram ) .. :D :D
07:56<thctlo2>=> configuring the pacages manager..
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07:57<thctlo2>=> select and install software..
07:57<monra>irwiss, did bot i got this error: * /etc/network/options is deprecated (see README.Debian of netbase). Setting up IP spoofing protection...done (rp_filter). Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:10: duplicate interface ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" /etc/network/interfaces:10: duplicate interface ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" failed.
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07:59<irwiss>monra; paste your /etc/network/interfaces into or somewhere similar
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08:01<irwiss>monra; Also everything you have in /etc/network/options should probably go into /etc/sysctl.conf
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08:02<monra>what do you mean?
08:02<thctlo2>duplicate interface means , you have 2 x eth0 and not eth0 + eth0:1
08:02<irwiss>monra; remove 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' line
08:03<monra>irwiss, i added # but thenn restarted networking but I couldn't connect
08:03<irwiss>monra; And read up for details on your first error
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08:04<irwiss>monra; Could your static values be incorrect?
08:04<jm_>what do you think? :P
08:04<monra>i don't know!
08:04<monra>i don't want static ip for LAN but for my ip ... you get what i mean?
08:04<irwiss>No XD
08:05<irwiss>monra; But in case I do, if you want your external ip to be static you have to contact your isp to set one up for you
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08:05<monra>for example when i visti i see an ip... i want this to be static
08:06<irwiss>monra; So I did get what you mean, read my message above :)
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08:07<monra>ISP? isn't it possible with router or so?
08:07<thctlo2>monra, get a busness DSL line, then you get a static ip and most proveders allow you to set a static ip then, on consumerlines this is 9 out of 10 times not the case.
08:07<Supaplex>monra: your isp controlls that. (aka network carrier)
08:07<irwiss>monra; Most isps like to charge money for static ips, so probably not ;)
08:07<monra>oh ok!
08:07<monra>i got DSL though! thanks anyway guys
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08:08<thctlo2>but monra you have Adsl of Sdsl and you have Consumer line or Business lijn..
08:09<cahoot>monra, if you never disconnect you might stick to one ip
08:09<thctlo2>consumer / Business.. ?
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08:09<monra>cahoot, yeah that could work!
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08:18<Mindtech>Hey guys, what package do I install on Debian to extract .RAR files?
08:18<cahoot>there are unrar and unrar-nonfree IIRC
08:19<formorer>take non-free, the alternative is useless
08:19<thctlo2>why ?
08:19<formorer>it only implements an ancient version of the rar standard
08:19<irwiss>apt-cache show unrar-free has the explanation
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08:21<Mindtech>Is there any way that archive manager can extract the rar files, or is it command line based using unrar?
08:21<cahoot>sounds like a config matter
08:22<thctlo2>use roller in gui
08:22<Mindtech>config matter for archive manager?
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08:27<padski>irwiss: not really, it just says the same thing
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08:28<irwiss>padski; Hmm? What do you mean?
08:29<padski>irwiss: it doesn't explain why that functionality is only in non-free
08:29<Mindtech>How do I add the "non-free" packages to SPM?
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08:29<irwiss>padski; Oh, I meant explanation for the 'why' the alternative is useless
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08:30<irwiss>padski; My lag is messing up the timing of my replies
08:30<padski>irwiss: :-)
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08:31<Mindtech>How do I add the "non-free" packages to SPM?
08:31<padski>irwiss: it was one of those moments when lots of people all answer the same question at once :-)
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08:31<padski>Mindtech: what is SPM ?
08:31<Mindtech>Synaptic Package Manager
08:32<irwiss>padski; Am I the odd one that answers the last, half a minute after everyone does? :P
08:32<padski>irwiss: LOL
08:32<irwiss>Mindtech; Synaptic uses apt as backend, so same way as you would to apt ;)
08:33<Mindtech>Right... I don't know how to
08:33<padski>Mindtech: htere may be a way inside Synaptic, but if not you would edit /etc/apt/sources
08:33<irwiss>Mindtech; edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:49<john>Hello all - i have a problem trying to install the win32 codex
08:49<john>i get GPG error: stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
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08:51<thctlo2>mumbles, put this in etc/apt/sources.list
08:51<thctlo2>deb etch main
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08:52<thctlo2>gpg --keyserver --recv-key NO_PUBKEY_HERE gpg -a --export NO_PUBKEY_HERE | sudo apt-key add -
08:52<thctlo2>and your done
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09:28<thctlo2>hi , i have a question, im installing on a dell server Perc 5i controller sas, this is no problem, but after reboot my drives have changed, grub boots, but i see that SDB changed to SDA , this for 3 drivers..
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09:29<thctlo2>hou can i fix this.
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09:31<stew>thctlo2: instead of using "/dev/sda" in menu.lst and in fstab, use UUID=foo where foo is the uuid that can be found by running "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid"
09:31<thctlo2>i can see my cddrive changed from SDA to SDD
09:32<thctlo2>cool, thanx, i try
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09:33<stew>thctlo2: when you change menu.lst, you should be editing the line that starts with "# kopt=", then run "update-grub" to propagate that change to all of the kernels
09:33<stew>thctlo2: and the leading # on that line should remain there
09:33<stew>good luck
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09:34<thctlo2>thanx i need it im alread 1,5 days busy trying to install this DF$@#$@# Server..
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09:42<Supaplex>thctlo2: blame the admin ;)
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09:43<fxiny>yeahhh , bofh are everywhere ...
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09:43<fxiny>today i've seen a real badger !
09:44<thctlo2>Supaplex , well , im the admin :-) .. i blaim USB-STORAGE in the debian installer..
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09:44<thctlo2>that is messing up my installation..
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09:46<dnawrocki>hello. i've got a doozy (for me) of a question. i've inherited administration of a production server running unstable, and i want to switch it to stable. i haven't found a definitive answer on whether or not this is even possible... is it?
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09:46<javier>lst cordoba
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09:47<fxiny>a production running unstable . hmmm : delicious :)
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09:48<dnawrocki>haha... my thoughts exactly. for the record, i didn't install it :P
09:48<dnawrocki>i tried just switching the lines in sources.list to stable, but saw that a whole bunch of conflicts were going to happen and i backed down
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09:50<Supaplex>dnawrocki: possibly, depending on how long ago updates were done.
09:50<Supaplex>!tell dnawrocki -about downgrade
09:50<Supaplex>dnawrocki: don't forget backups while downgrading. nasty stuff is bound to happen to your configs.
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09:54<dnawrocki>it's been about a month since the last set of upgrades have been applied; it's got stdc++6 if that matters. that's at least where most of the conflicts were
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09:55<IneedHELP>i need help
09:55<Supaplex>testing might be an interm option.
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09:55<Supaplex>!tell IneedHELP -about ask
09:56<IneedHELP>im using distro ubuntu, what audio plugin i need to install to can listen mp3 music?
09:56<Supaplex>!tell IneedHELP -about based on debian
09:56<formorer>IneedHELP: the need a different channel this is not #ubuntu
09:56<Supaplex>IneedHELP: #ubuntu
09:56<Supaplex>IneedHELP: courious, why did you think this was the right place for ubuntu?
09:57<Supaplex>dnawrocki: I had a postgres box I accidently upgraded to sid (some years ago). I reset sources.list to testing, and pinned Pg so it wouldn't upgrade like that again. (until sarge was released, and all is well)
09:58<dnawrocki>is there any way to tell apt to (1) leave the current unstable packages alone, and (2) pull new packages from stable (or testing). eventually when everything in unstable moves to stable (or testing) i'll have a stable box?
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10:01<Supaplex>yes. just switch sources.list to stable.
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10:02<Supaplex>it'll work like a backport senario (however, not rotinuely tested identically to your setup;caveats may ensue)
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10:06<dnawrocki>Supaplex: thanks for the help. when i edited sources.list before, i tried switching to testing, and a whole bunch of conflicts ensued. i just tried stable, and just a couple packages will be upgraded w/o problems. i'll do some research on backports to make sure i know what i'm getting myself into :P thank you very much!
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10:08<Supaplex>dnawrocki: where are you based out of?
10:08<flamma>what kind of problems I can expect when I change motherboard to my Debian system? Current is amd duron based and new one would be Intel P3. I use 2.6.8-3-386 kernel.
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10:09<Supaplex>flamma: video card differences? (cpu changes look ok)
10:10<flamma>same video card
10:10<dnawrocki>Supaplex: fairmont, wv, usa. i'm a developer (certainly not a sysadmin), so this kind of thing is pretty new to me...
10:10<Berge>flamma: Should work out nicely.
10:10<Berge>flamma: Emphasis on should (-:
10:11<flamma>I'll start working just after this beer
10:11<jesperj>When I try to view images on my webmail that I get from work, where everyone uses Macs, the jpegs just cant be viewed. I get errors about the end of the file not able to be read. "file image.jpg says it is an AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file. I have installed "macutils" but that didnt' help. Does anyone have any experience with this and hopefully a sollution?
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10:19<Lin>someone know where can I find the historical linux announce?
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10:20<Lin>formorer: thank you
10:20<formorer>no problem
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10:21<patate>hi, is there a way to install a package with apt and asking it to not starting/restarting it?
10:22<patate>let's say I'm chrooting into an installed (and not running) debian system, I want to apt-get install apache ... but I don't want to see any script running that try to play with processes
10:22<patate>a bit like debbootstrap
10:22<patate>but debbootstrap is using dpkg and not apt
10:23<formorer>patate: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz
10:24<Supaplex>formorer: very cool. thank you!
10:24<Supaplex>patate: and thanks for asking, I wanted to know myself, but never got around to it
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10:27<alk3>if i have a web server and I want to set up a subdomains for mail and one for ftp... how do i do that?
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10:27<alk3>do i need Bind?
10:27<Berge>alk3: No, you don't need to run bind yourself.
10:28<alk3>i set the domains on my GoDaddy account
10:28<alk3>how do i get my server to use the right domains?
10:28<Berge>Yep, you need to point an A record (and AAAA, if you've got IPv6) for the subdomain to your server for FTP.
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10:29<alk3>so if i have a subdomain of and i set that up in my GoDaddy account, then it should work?
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10:29<Berge>Mail is a bit more involved.
10:29<Berge>You should set up MX record for that.
10:29<alk3>yeah thats set up
10:29<alk3>i am getting it to use subdomains now
10:29<Berge>And the MX record points to you server?
10:30<alk3>i wanted to ask all this before i mess something up
10:30<grummund_>Hi, so that mplayer plugin can play wmv9, is there anything more to do than run /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ ?, because i still get an error syaing no codec is installed for wmv 9
10:30<Berge>Then you need to install a MTA and a FTP server.
10:30<alk3>i have postfix for mail and pureFTP for ftp
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10:30<alk3>the subdomains are set for those daemons
10:30<alk3>in the configs
10:30<Berge>alk3: Then you're all set.
10:30<alk3>ok good!
10:30<alk3>wanted to make sure
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10:31<alk3>i just got a VPS running Debian Etch and have mail, jabber, ftp, and a key server running
10:31<alk3>wanted to split them up in subdomains
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10:31<alk3>mostly since i just wanted to use instead of
10:32<alk3>for mail
10:32<Berge>7win 30
10:32<Berge>alk3: ah
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10:36<alk3>thanks guys!!
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11:02<bcochofel>What's the pluto service for? I'm trying to use cisco vpn client but I have pluto on port 500 (and I don't know how to change cisco vpn client port)?
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11:16<malex>Lo. This is not debian specific, but I hope someone could help me - I'm trying to install a greasemonkey script, but when I click on the "Install" button nothing ever happens. Only "Cancel" button seems to work.
11:16<malex>It's in the iceweasel on sid
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11:18<enkrypt>does there exist something like "cron.daily" for a regular user without root privileges?
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11:19<frank>enkrypt: a user can have it's own crontab, just type crontab -e
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11:19<enkrypt>frank: yeah I know that. but is there an easy way to give a regular user "cron.daily" equivalent?
11:20<enkrypt>like don't mess with the * * * * thing, just say "daily"
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11:24<Maulkin>enkrypt: man 5 crontab
11:24[~]LinuxKid saluta
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11:29<fxiny>malex: is the greasemonkey extension installed ?
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11:34<gaetano1948>non mi funziona con driver fglrx
11:34<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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11:36<a64>hi, I'm trying to setup a hdd with LVM... I created a VG and some LV's on a working system and they were working just fine (they showed up in /dev and I was able to mkfs them) ... but now I'm trying to copy some files from the working installation to the new hdd so I'm using knoppix (will try to use g4l or similar) but in /dev/mapper I only see 'control' but not the VG I created
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11:56<a64>so, any idea why I can't see any of my LV's?? not even as /dev/dm-*
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11:59<a64>using vgdisplay shows it right
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12:00<a64>same goes for lvscan -v; but the /dev/* it shows doesn't exist
12:00<ifvoid>a64: what about /dev/mapper/ ?
12:00<a64>ifvoid: only 'control' is there
12:01<ifvoid>is udev running?
12:01<a64>it is
12:01<ifvoid>what does lvscan -a say?
12:01<a64>inactive '/dev/maingroup/root' [38.00 GB] inherit and so on for the other lv's
12:02<a64>I even upgraded udev to unstable's and restarted it ... but nothing different
12:03<ifvoid>vgdisplay only shows the volume groups
12:03<ifvoid>what does lvs show/
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12:03<a64>ifvoid: home maingroup -wi--- 65.00G and so on
12:04<ifvoid>I doubt that that is what it shows
12:04<ifvoid>can yuou put the entire output in pastebin?
12:05<a64>that's all it shows
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12:05<ifvoid>they're not active
12:05<ifvoid>doesn't /etc/init.d/lvm restart help?
12:06<a64>that worked, thanks :)
12:07<a64>now... do you know of a program I can use to copy files between two partitions? something like g4l (the version I have doesnt support lvm)
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12:08<a64>ifvoid: I mean...something even more like RAW data copying
12:08<ifvoid>what that, raw data?
12:08<ifvoid>data is dat
12:09<ifvoid>data is data
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12:22<xavier>hi people
12:23<xavier>does anybody run debian 4 on a Powerbook ?
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12:26<N`Kr1pt>Is it possible to downgrade my unstable system to testing, so that I don't have to do a complete reinstall? I know about apt-pinning etc, but will it be safe?
12:26<N`Kr1pt>I guess not...
12:26<@Ganneff>usually it works, but its not guaranteed.
12:27<N`Kr1pt>OK, I'll first give it a try with a few packages.
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12:32<N`Kr1pt>OK, alsa was broken, I just downgraded the package to the stable one and now it works again, so my problem is fixed
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12:40<sangamon>has anyone successfully generated pdfs from docbook with embedded images? I use docbook2pdf but seem to suffer from
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12:42<sangamon>probably someone has used the xsl-fo toolchain? Any success?
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12:47<darkhack>So is debian going to releases
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12:49<monra>hello. When I'm simple loged in in terminal as a simple user and write "ls" for example i see the files and the flders with different colors but when i'm loged in as root in terminal all have the same color
12:49<monra>any ideas how can i fix this?
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12:49<fxiny>edit root .bashrc
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12:52<monra>fxiny, and do what?
12:52<flami>Hi is there a document where i can see how apache2 was configured during compilation ?
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12:53<monra>i uncommnet the ls color things but still no colours
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13:00<skyegg>monra, uncomment export LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' eval "`dircolors`"
13:00<qwe>I want to forward SMTP to a server with auth. How? Exim seems to hard to configure. Any other?
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13:02<Berge>qwe: You want your SMTP server to relay to another server with some kind of authentication?
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13:02<qwe>Berge: yes
13:03<Berge>Any given authentication?
13:03<Berge>In that case you could use TLS certificates and exim.
13:03<Berge> for example.
13:03<qwe>Berge: the help of my mail service does not side which kind of auth. Plain, I assume.
13:04<Berge>qwe: Oh, so you've got an ISP which requires authentication?
13:04<qwe>Berge: approximately so.
13:04<fxiny>monra: log out/in as root
13:04<Berge>qwe: Approximately? Could you explain the setup excactly?
13:05<monra>fixed . ok thanks
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13:05<Berge>exactly,e ven
13:05<Sir_Ahzz>nfs4 multi-filesystem exporting requires the use of --bind. regular mounts aren't supported.
13:07<Berge>qwe: You could look at and see if it meets your need.
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13:08<jesperj>anyone know of a way to record whatever sound is output through another sound app? like whatever was going to the speakers, fetch that to an audiofile
13:09<cahoot>jesperj, ecasound is one possibility
13:10<qwe>Berge: Indeed I cannot understand what to put in config files. Maybe some alternative to Exim?
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13:11<Berge>qwe: What do you mean by alternative?
13:11<Berge>qwe: You don't want to use Exim?
13:12<qwe>Berge: Other SMTP server (SMTP proxy at least)
13:12<Berge>qwe: Your problem is easy to google, though. for an example config.
13:12<jesperj>thank you
13:12<Berge>qwe: The exim configuration might look a bit confusing at first, but it's worth a shot to learn.
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13:15<sangamon>Berge: Do you know a good tutorial?
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13:15<jesperj>cahoot, have you tried it?
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13:16<Berge>sangamon: Not as such, but the book by Philip Hazel is good.
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13:16<Berge>sangamon: The documentation in Debian is also very thorough.
13:16<sangamon>Berge: That is what I found out.
13:16<sangamon>Berge: The debian documentation will take you up to a certain point, but then Hazel's book is the way.
13:17<Berge>sangamon: The complete Exim spesification is available online, though.
13:18<sangamon>Berge: Sometimes I prefer the book, with Exim I found that I really need to read up on things first and I prefer to do that away from the screen.
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13:18<Berge>sangamon: Yep, books are great (-.
13:18<cahoot>jesperj, ues
13:18<sangamon>Berge: I still find mail troublesome and complex, especially since I don't want to do a degree in it.
13:18<cahoot>jesperj, yes
13:19<cahoot>jesperj, like ecasound -i alsa -o my.wav
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13:20<Berge>sangamon: I find e-mail rather interesting to work with, in fact (-:
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13:20<Berge>(And by using Postfix at work, I really get to see why Exim is good (-; )
13:20<sangamon>Berge: I fourtunately sourced that out. My own exim is set to smart-host
13:20<Berge>sangamon: heh (-:
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13:22<sangamon>Berge: At the moment I'm having fun with docbook, any experience with that?
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13:24<Berge>sangamon: None at all.
13:24<Berge>I know what it is, basically.
13:25<sangamon>I think there is something broken in the toolchain:
13:25<jesperj>cahoot, *nod* thanks
13:25<sangamon>I hope to find a workaround or fix or something ;-)
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13:26<cahoot>jesperj, actully you choose other output formats
13:26<cahoot>+ can
13:26<Berge>sangamon: It's two years old?
13:26<sangamon>Berge: afraid so
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13:27<Berge>sangamon: if it still applies, I'd bug the maintainer, I think.
13:27<sangamon>Berge: still outstanding and important
13:27<vander>how can I view network traffic in a gateway server (debian 4.0)?.
13:27<Berge>sangamon: Odd, as it's now been forwarded upstream either, AFAIK.
13:27<Berge>vander: Depends on what you're after.
13:27<sangamon>Berge: I think the reason it is not maintained very well, is that the upstream is pretty dead too
13:27<Berge>vander: You could take a look at iptraf and iftop.
13:28<Berge>sangamon: AFAICT they released a RC this july?
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13:29<Berge>vander: (They both only work on IPv6, though.)
13:29<Berge>vander: Eh, IPv4, that is. They do not work on IPv6.
13:30<vander>Berge: Thanks...
13:30<sangamon>Berge: i'll check taht out tomorrow
13:30<vander>Berge: then iptraf and iftop is for ipv4?
13:30<Berge>sangamon: You could try recompiling it from upstream source and see.
13:30<Berge>vander: Yes. IIRC.
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13:38<maximini>y a des français ? ^^
13:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
13:38<maximini>merci ^^
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13:47<EmleyMoor>I just tried to add another hd to my system and grub seemed to kick up a fuss and prevent booting...
13:47<EmleyMoor>It kept repeating the "GRUB bootloader..." (or similar) line
13:48<EmleyMoor>Why would it do that? The hd is out of a WinXP system, and I am installing it to back it up as that system seems to have reached "nuke and pave" point
13:48<EmleyMoor>Is there some setting I should add to grub to allow it to continue with another disc presend?
13:48<EmleyMoor>present, even
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13:49<Berge>EmleyMoor: Do you get the GRUB menu?
13:49<EmleyMoor>Berge: With the extra disc there, no
13:49<Berge>EmleyMoor: Sure your BIOS boots from the correct disk?
13:50<EmleyMoor>Berge: Yes - checked that... the other disk has the Windows bootloader on it anyway
13:51<Berge>EmleyMoor: What is the exact error message?
13:51<EmleyMoor>Not an error message. Just the first line that appears, repeated ad infinitum
13:52<Berge>Is says what?
13:52<Berge>"GRUB", repeating?
13:52<vander>EmleyMoor: may be is not correct installed
13:52<EmleyMoor>vander: If so, how come I can boot with only the one disk present?
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13:53<EmleyMoor>Berge: "GRUB bootloader..." - sorry, can't quote it exactly
13:53<vander>EmleyMoor: I think you configured grub pointing to hd0 or hd1 when
13:53<vander>EmleyMoor: it's was in another...
13:53<Berge>EmleyMoor: it'd be great if you could provide the exact message.
13:54<EmleyMoor>vander: I configured it to point to hd0 which STILL IS hd0 and is in the samr
13:54<EmleyMoor>same machine
13:54<Berge>EmleyMoor: Keep in mind that GRUB keeps it's own idea of what hd0 and hd1 are.
13:54<vander>EmleyMoor: or may be not point to the exact path
13:55<EmleyMoor>Berge: OK - and if it for some reason changes its idea when an additional disk is added on another IDE port, how do I fix it
13:55<vander>EmleyMoor: remember 1 stage is for load 2 stage
13:56<vander>EmleyMoor: path to /boot/grub/menu.lst
13:56<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... sounds like I will have to try it again...
13:56<EmleyMoor>lilo never did anything like this
13:57<EmleyMoor>I will try again - and see if I can work out what is happening using a DVD in rescue mode if it comes to that - but if I am still getting nowhere, I will give you the exact message
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14:06<flamma>Motherboard changed succesfully, eveverything work fine excluding sound. System identified all components without problems. Only thing I had issues with was HD it should be first master as it was.
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14:08<EmleyMoor>OK - the message is:
14:09<EmleyMoor>GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5.
14:09<EmleyMoor>That repeats ad infinitum if the extra disk is present
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Without it, it boots normally
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14:13<EmleyMoor>Why would it do this? I haven't done anything I consider out of the ordinary in the emergency recovery of a machine
14:13<EmleyMoor>GRUB must need something done to it but I cannot figure out what
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Why is it that, when I add another disk, I can no longer boot?
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14:17<_NeoTech_>I have problems with tehe fact that my postfix acting up like a black hole.. all incoming mails just disappears.. without any errors in the logfile, look here for logfile excerpt:
14:17<_NeoTech_>anyone seen this beforce?
14:18<EmleyMoor>(Have the people who were giving me answers before gone?)
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14:22<Le_Vert>how can I include a logcheck regex file in a package
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14:23<Le_Vert>I tried to add a file in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server
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14:23<Le_Vert>but logcheck still logs the matching lines
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14:25<EmleyMoor>When I add an additional disk (without disturbing my original one in any way), when I try to boot, the message "GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5." repeats ad infinitum - why would that happen and what do I do about it?
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14:27<EmleyMoor>Should I try the second disk on a different channel?
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14:30<EmleyMoor>Well, in the absence of an answer I am going to try it
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14:32[~]LinuxKid brb
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14:39<StCyr>Somebody knows a little about printing (CUPS,PPD,drivers)
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14:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:44<StCyr>oups sorry...
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14:44<StCyr>I have a multifunction HP Photosmart printer
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14:44<StCyr>Since a few days it won't print correctly anymore...
14:45<StCyr>that's, every printout is about 2 times too wide than the page
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14:46<StCyr>I have filled a bug:
14:47<StCyr>I have tried to change the printer settings several times
14:47<StCyr>I have re-created the printer in cups several times
14:48<StCyr>I have un-installed hplip & co and re-installed them...
14:48<StCyr>Nothing changes anything
14:49<StCyr>So, I have no clue of what's going on and was wondering if somebody had an idea...
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14:51<StCyr>So, let's summarize...
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14:52<StCyr>All my printouts are about 2 times wider than the page width (A4)...
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14:52<StCyr>How could I make them fit pages' width?
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14:55<StCyr>no volunteers? ;)
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14:56<ranix>hey all, I have a server that serves up printers via samba with lp
14:57<ranix>I also have this laptop
14:57<ranix>what is the easiest way to connect this debian laptop to one of those printers and spit out a text file
14:58<ranix>I was thinking like, load up thunar and click four times
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14:59<StCyr>why not?
14:59<StCyr>what else do you need?
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15:00<ranix>to be able to just print something without having to type a bunch of garbage
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15:00<StCyr>let's have your server serves the printer via cups
15:01<ranix>cups sucks scrotums
15:01<ranix>compared to lp anyway
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15:03<ranix>ah got it
15:03<StCyr>you're using xfce. aren't you?
15:03<ranix>libgnomeprint15 does it without failing
15:03<ranix>yes I am
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15:05<StCyr>My boss want's to migrate all our 1000 PC's to linux... And I can't help facing this kind of questions... It doesn't seem easy to connect Linux clients to Windows domain
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15:05<fido>can cash out paypal with deal 25% to 75% with serious delars
15:05<fido>can cash out paypal with deal 25% to 75% with serious delars
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15:06<simonrvn>oh FFS
15:07[~]cdlu scowls in disgust
15:07<cdlu>"for fedora's sake"
15:07<dpkg>hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake
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15:08<StCyr>you're fun
15:08<simonrvn>the spammer, not you..
15:08<StCyr>but couldn't you help me with my printer problem???
15:08<ranix>gnome-print fails too
15:08<ranix>I fired up vmware
15:08<ranix>and printed from windows
15:08<simonrvn>StCyr: i don't know what the issue is
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15:09<StCyr>I have an HP multifunction (Photosmart C3180.. cheap) and since a few days everything I prints is about 2 times wider than the page...
15:10<simonrvn>so find another ppd to use for it
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15:10<StCyr>? I'm using the one from hp (hplip-ppds debian etch)
15:10<cyclops>hi all
15:11<StCyr>hi alone
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15:12<StCyr>maybe I will try that though
15:12<cyclops>I have a HP laser printer 2015 connected via a lan thru a windows box but I cant get the driver on my new debian to install over the network
15:12<cyclops>can someone out there help me out
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15:13<StCyr>Wow, It's "printer's day"
15:13<simonrvn>cyclops: push it through samba, or use cups
15:15<ranix>cyclops: fire up vmware and print it from windows
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15:16<StCyr>not a good day
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15:20<cyclops>I am trying to use cups but in the list of drivers for HP there is no 2015 or 2000 series
15:20<cyclops>The printer is fairly new. I think it came out around march 2007
15:20<cyclops>not to sure about the date though
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15:24<rjent>Greetings, I hit something on aptitude and it is stuck processing something I do not want, each time I restart it it tries to continue. How do I make it discontinue what it is doing?
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15:27<rjent>ok cancel pending actions helped
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15:55<Atlantiz>hey anyone has installed eaccelator, or knows of a better program suited for the task?
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16:33<ice-11>hey, I recently compiled a new kernel ( and when I boot into it my virtual consoles are un readable. I suspect it's a problem with the framebuffer device. I've turned off the logo option and recompiled the kernel but I have the same problem. I think the new kernel is booting into a graphical mode that my box doesn't support. How do i fix this?
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16:33<ice-11>Or, how do I force my box to boot into text mode?
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16:41<frank>ice-11: vga=normal ?
16:42<ice-11>frank: I tried vga=ask and chose one of the modes that was in the "supported" list
16:43<ice-11>you sure that will fix it? hte problem isn't during initual boot. it's after the kernel is uncompressed i think. It's some graphical boot mode that i'm not aware of. cuz I don't remember specifying that I wanted a graphical boot
16:43<ice-11>i'll try that anyway tho. brb
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16:48<Alk3>hello, i am getting an error with postfix.
16:48<Alk3>554 5.7.1 <>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied
16:48<Alk3>what does this mean?
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16:50<streuner>are you trying to configure a MTA?
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16:51<streuner>and _why_ do you want that at all?
16:52<Alk3>setting up a Internet mail server with postfix, SASLauthd, SMTP AUTH
16:52<streuner>just simply use "smarthost"
16:53<Myon>and don't mail as root
16:53<Alk3>it was a test
16:54<kop>streuner : (I think with postfix it's "relay_host" or something like that.)
16:54<dpkg>A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server.
16:55<Alk3>but this is not for my ISP. this is for a multiuser system to send and recieve local and remote emails
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16:55<streuner>kop: you can setup a MTA in order to use just smarthost, less heaches
16:55<kop>streuner : Yes, the postfix directive to do that is "relayhost".
16:55<Alk3>this is what i get in telnet
16:55<Alk3>250 2.1.0 Ok
16:55<Alk3>554 5.7.1 <>: Relay access denied
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16:56<kop>Dunno. Nothing wrong with running your own mta, if you've the IP.
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16:56<kop>Alk3 : The last message means you can't use that MTA to send to that email address.
16:57<Alk3>thats my problem
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16:58<Alk3>how can i add relay access with SMTP auth?
16:58<kop>Alk3 : That probably means that your mynetworks value is wrong.
16:59<themill>Alk3: is the machine you are connection to the MX for that domain?
16:59<kop>Alk3 : Ah. the thing to do is read the docs. Somewhere there's a postfix doc that says how to setup smtp auth.
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17:00<themill>Alk3: there is no MX for
17:01<frank>Alk3: you need to "fix" your smtpd_recipient_restrictions, but i suggest to read some docs, to not mess things up
17:01<frank>especially if your configuring a mta which is reachable in the internet
17:02<Alk3>yeah. i'm trying to avoid accidentally setting up an open realy
17:02<Berge>Alk3: You could consider using or something.
17:02<frank>yeah, so you need to know what you do, which is obviously not the case at the moment
17:02<Berge>(Ah, and don't set up an open relay)
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17:02<themill>Alk3: or peer off your hosts smtp server
17:03<themill>Alk3: host/isp, that is
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17:03<Alk3>it has TLS set up correctly and the certs are ok.
17:03<themill>Alk3: are you trying to peer to a smarthost?
17:03<Alk3>but i am bookmarking that site. i may need it for something else
17:04<Alk3>this is a shell account server
17:04<Alk3>trying to set up authentication for local users with system pass
17:04<themill>Alk3: TLS isn't going to be used by server-server connections
17:04<Berge>themill: It might, if both ends support it. But it doesn't matter much, usually.
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17:05<themill>Berge: big if....
17:05<Berge>Alk3: Ok, so your users are going to authenticate themselves to your MTA?
17:05<Berge>themill: I set up all MTAs with TLS-support, so some do (-:
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17:05<Alk3>yeah. when they send and recieve it asks for system pass. the certificates are already accepted
17:05<Alk3>the system pass goes through
17:06<Alk3>and it gives me the error
17:06<Berge>Alk3: You use certificates in addition to SASL- or pam-authentication?
17:06<Alk3>certs with SASL
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17:06<Berge>Alk3: Uh, what?
17:07<Alk3>should i be using PAM?
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17:08<Berge>Depends on what you're trying to do.
17:08<Berge>Do you want your users to authenticate (not only encrypt) themselves with certificates?
17:09<Berge>Or do you want them to authenticate with username and password, over an encrypted link?
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17:09<Berge>So you want to be a CA and distribute certificates.
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17:10<Alk3>well i want the users to be on a secure connection. and be authenticcated with their system passwords. that is fine and works
17:10<Alk3>its the sending of the email thats the issue
17:10<Berge>That's something else. But ok.
17:10<Berge>Then you probably want your MTA to authenticate with pam.
17:11<Berge>(Using SMTP PLAIN over SSL or TLS.)
17:11<Berge>are you using exim?
17:11<Berge>oh. Can't help you, then.
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17:11<grummund_> <-- Hi, can anyone get one of the 'Watch the report' links to work without a "movie cannot be found" error, if so which browser are you using pls?
17:11<Alk3>ok. well thanks for the help. i know what i need to do
17:11<Alk3>SMTP PLAIN over tls
17:11<Berge>In Exim, just add authenticated = * in the right ACL.
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17:12<frank>in postfix permit_sasl_authenticated ..
17:12<Berge>"accept authenticated = *" in conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt, for example.
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17:15<Alk3>my smtpd_recipients_restrictions is..
17:16<Alk3>permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, reject
17:16<Alk3>i'm pretty sure its got to be with that
17:16<Alk3>but i cant make sense of the postfix docs
17:16<Alk3>and this is my first time setting up a mail server :/
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17:28<Alk3>thanks for the help
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17:34<dpkg>keyring is probably a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys.
17:34<bennye>i love bots
17:34<Maulkin>bennye: please /msg the bots
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17:37<streuner>Maulkin: hi
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17:39[~]bennye thoughtlessness
17:39<streuner>Maulkin: seems you don't like discos at all too :-)
17:39<bennye>wow that's an delay
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17:43<bighornram>Is there a debian based firewall distro similar to IPCOP?
17:44<networkgamer>why do you need a firewall?
17:45<bighornram>I use ipcop as a firewall/router for my home network.
17:45<Myon>well you can use plain Debian plus one of the iptables frontends
17:45<networkgamer>again:why do you need a firewall?
17:45<Myon>and/or check out debian-live and build your own
17:45<Maulkin>streuner: A what?
17:46<streuner>Maulkin: heh, whats not clear about you dont like discos?
17:46<bighornram>Mr. Google found Euronode and Gibralter.
17:46<Maulkin>streuner: Where did that come from?
17:46<networkgamer>i g2g
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17:46<streuner>Maulkin: i dont know, i just _assume_ ;-)
17:47<dpkg>from memory, g2g is got to go
17:47<Maulkin>Ok then...
17:47<Myon>he wasn't particularly helpful
17:47[~]Maulkin nods
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17:47<Myon>bighornram: I've heard of gibraltar, but that's been a while ago
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17:49<bighornram>Myon: apparently there is a commercial web based and a free version, not web based I guess.
17:49<bighornram>gibralter that is
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18:00<Xavi>anybody here?
18:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:01<Xavi>I am trying to get channel users on xchat
18:01<EricB>isn't it on the right side of the chat window?
18:02<Xavi>but I dont see it
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18:03<Xavi>now it showed up
18:03<Xavi>I have a question
18:03<Xavi>I am running Debian Sid in my PowerPC Powerbook
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18:04<Xavi>but I only get the Ctrl+Alt+f7
18:04<Xavi>no terminal on f1 to f6
18:04<Xavi>my /etc/inittab is fine
18:04<Xavi>can anybody help me
18:05<witte>Xavi: anything special in dmesg?
18:05<Xavi>give me a min
18:06<witte>take your time, i'll take myself a beer in the meanwhile :P
18:06<klys>would anyone recommend evidence or efm ?
18:08<klys>Xavi: try vesafb if you don't know what framebuffer your kernel is using
18:08<Xavi>[ 38.648597] HID device not claimed by input or hiddev
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18:09<bennye>Xavi, i run etch on an ibookg4 myself, everyhing works fine. do you have an intelmac?
18:09<Xavi>its a PowerPC Powerbook G4
18:09<Xavi>about two years old
18:10<bennye>so it's nearly the same as my machine. strange
18:10<klys>Xavi: if you should have something on tty1, check its entry in /etc/inittab
18:10<Xavi>the /etc/inittab its fine
18:10<klys>Xavi: you can also change the VT with chvt
18:11<Xavi>I havent changed /etc/inittab
18:11<klys>Xavi: how does chvt behave ?
18:11<klys>do you get a blank terminal?
18:11<Xavi>havent tried it
18:11<Xavi>reading the man
18:12<Xavi>xavi@NewYork:~$ chvt 2
18:12<Xavi>Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
18:12<Xavi>same for 1
18:13<klys>you have $, that's why
18:13<Xavi>as root?
18:13<Hessophanes>Xavi: retry as root.
18:13<Xavi>sudo will do it?
18:13<bennye>powerbooks do have a native dualhead support. maybe you trie to hit some strange (fn+somewhat) keys to switch to the right display
18:13<klys>Xavi: should
18:14<Xavi>chvt worked fine
18:14<formorer>[T]he court concludes that Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare Copyrights.
18:14<klys>Xavi: how about ctrl+lalt+F1
18:14<Xavi>allowed me to change to virtual terminal
18:14<bennye>formorer, yeah
18:14<Xavi>the alt f1... doesnt works
18:14<bennye>formorer, 0:1 for scox
18:15<Xavi>gives me mac buttons
18:15<klys>hmm, showkeys
18:15<Xavi>the sound and and screen bright and that stuff
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18:16<klys>showkey lalt == 0x38
18:16<bennye>gone he is
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18:19<bennye>That's Aaaaall, Folks! The court also ruled that "SCO is obligated to recognize Novell's waiver of SCO's claims against IBM and Sequent". That's the ball game. There are a couple of loose ends, but the big picture is, SCO lost. Oh, and it owes Novell a lot of money from the Microsoft and Sun licenses.
18:19[~]bennye bad paste, sry
18:19<bennye>wrong channel
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18:20<Silvestr>aS. demz bunlar ;
18:20<Silvestr>A Today fuLL thê ChanneL ;p bennye =)
18:20<Silvestr>Gavur bunlar
18:20<AmpuL>Türkce pLz
18:20<dpkg>tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
18:20<AmpuL>harbiden mi
18:20<Silvestr>valla :p
18:20<AmpuL>ne die qeLdik Lan 0 zmn
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18:20<Silvestr>hemde hepsi (h)
18:20<dondelelcaro>please use #debian-tr, not this channel.
18:20<Silvestr>lan turk buLurum die geldim
18:20<bennye>Silvestr, harhar ;-)
18:21<Tweety>Korumalýymýþ :D
18:21<Silvestr>bennye gargargar
18:21<Tweety>ÇýkaLým sýkýLdým burdan
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18:31<bennye>nite #debian. keep it up guys (and the 10^-100 girls) ;-)
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18:32<lupine_85>Girls? On MY Internet?
18:32<lupine_85>It's more likely than you think
18:32<xds>it think pr0n is not what he meant to say
18:32<klys>girls will never get ahead in debian
18:33<lupine_85>pr0n != girls
18:33<xds>tell that girls from g sommer of code
18:33<xds>lupine_85, okay
18:33<lupine_85>incidentally, my lug irc channel is (4/17)*100 % female
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18:34<lupine_85>23 1/2%
18:34<klys>er, that's not good math
18:34<xds>affirmative use latex math *g*
18:35<lupine_85>sorry. \frac{4}{17} \times 100 \%
18:35<xds>so we get along, boy
18:36<klys>do you know any packages being maintained by girls?
18:37<streuner>ask #debian-women
18:37<lupine_85>I don't know any maintained by men either
18:37<lupine_85>I tend not to look at the maintainer field
18:37<xds>hm, emacs (okay. that was a joke. but the guy has long hair, tough)
18:38<lupine_85>you could make a script to pull out the Maintainer: field and grep for girl's names...
18:38<lupine_85>also, /me has the long hair
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18:38<xds>lupine_85, rms is it you?!
18:39<lupine_85>alas, no
18:39<lupine_85>I would never write something as shoddy as emacs :p
18:39[~]lupine_85 hides somewhere DEEP
18:40<klys>I remember the HURD webpage was all excited when emacs ran with it
18:40<lupine_85>actually, i'm currently working on Wyrms: Apocalypse
18:40<xds>hurd... hm, wasnt's that an old irish word for 'i will never be released'?
18:41<lupine_85>where 'working on', read 'playing worms'
18:42<xds>or worse... solitaire
18:42<xds>what would explain everything
18:42<klys>are you asking what would?
18:42<xds>better not
18:42<klys>it would be a poetic question if you were
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19:10<klys>looks to me like there are a lot more people generally interested in talking than really want to talk. the all must bee too busy, shame
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19:12[~]klys knew a john hill one time
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19:14<lidakaau>want to help out a linux newbie who's having some problems with his x server?
19:15[~]klys is here
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19:15<klys>since you dare to check
19:15<lidakaau>any chance you could help me out with a problem?
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19:16<klys>probability data is limited at this hour
19:17[~]klys has Xorg with Intel DRM and wacom pen driver (ISDV4)
19:17<lidakaau>you're probably right
19:18<lidakaau>well, my main problem is that x is throwing a
19:18<lidakaau>"Fatal server error:
19:18<lidakaau>no screens found"
19:18<lidakaau>on boot
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19:19<klys>do you have any available resolutions? check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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19:20<klys>if not, set appropriate monitor timings nwhich would match your monitor manual recommendations
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19:20<klys>in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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19:22<lidakaau>xorg.conf is 0 lines, 0 characters
19:22<lidakaau>which seems like a problem to me
19:22<klys>want mine?
19:22<lidakaau>would copying it into mine help?
19:23<lidakaau>doesn't it have a lot to do with my hardware specifically?
19:23<lidakaau>i'm afraid that i'm really a newb at linux; installing debian earlier this afternoon is my first real venture
19:23<klys>or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:23<lidakaau>try that?
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19:25<lidakaau>i'm configuring xserver-xorg right now
19:25<lidakaau>thanks for the help
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19:26<Mankod>Hi, who works whit latex-beamer ??
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19:32<lidakaau>i'm going to go eat dinner now; thanks for all the help, klys
19:32<lidakaau>i appreciate it
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19:32<JasonS>dinner, now theres a damn fine idea
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19:42<ketone>keep doing that
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20:19<a64>hey... I setup a hdd with LVM and a non-LVM partition where I want to store /boot ... but I can't get to install grub on it, how to do it?
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20:24<klys>a64: before booting the cd, copy stage2 and stage2 from /lib/grub/i386-pc to /boot/grub
20:24<klys>a64: after booting the cd, root (hd1,2); install (hd1,2
20:24<klys>'scuse me
20:25<klys>a64: after booting the cd, root (hd1,2); install (hd1,2)/grub/stage1 (hd1,2) (hd1,2)/grub/stage2 0x8000 p /grub/menu.txt
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20:28<klys>s64: to burn the cd, cdrecord speed=24 dev=ATAPI:0,0 -data grub_.iso
20:29<a64>the thing is that grub-install complains about something (trying to reproduce... didn't copy and restarted live cd)
20:30<klys>a64: you should provide details if you wanted to do it the other way
20:30<klys>a64: you can tell what partition you're looking at from grub
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20:34<a64>whatever... I think it worked this time
20:34<a64>thanks anyways
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20:38<klys>sou, hau had meh seber mogen, haf ten lyst ming din apertil, ber mist fein gali rad noger. fele...torsk nek; soda.
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21:12<Branden>CAn someone help me, how can I install "apt-get"?
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21:12<Nemoder>apt-get install apt
21:12<chealer>Branden: are you root?
21:12<Branden>Thank you.
21:12<chealer>Branden: why do you want to install apt-get?
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21:13<Branden>Its eaiser to get things with "apt-get install etc"
21:13<klys>jeez, why even bother
21:13<chealer>Branden: not necessarily
21:14<klys>oh, aptitude pundit
21:14<Branden>Sorry, I'm really new at all this, I just installed Debian after haveing sooo many problems with Ubuntu, and FreeBSD
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21:14<Branden>I'm hopeing Debian will work for me. :(
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21:17<Branden>So to get the thing, would I do: /wget
21:17<Branden>Sorrry, I'm such a noooob. lol
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21:17<Nemoder>Branden: apt-get should already be installed
21:17<Branden>Hmm. Let me try again
21:18<Nemoder>don't put a / in front, just run "apt-get install somepackage"
21:18<Branden>let me try
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21:20<Nemoder>only put a / in front if you supply the full path to the program
21:21<Branden>that worked
21:21<Branden>Is there a way to make apt-get work if I'm not root?
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21:22<Nemoder>sortof but you'll still have to enter a password
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21:22<Branden>thats fine
21:22<Nemoder>try running aptitude instead of apt-get
21:22<Nemoder>it's a bit friendlier
21:22<Branden>Ok. I'm trying to use Putty to get to my computer. lol I'm sick of going back and fowrth. lol
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21:23<Nemoder>aptitude install openssh-server
21:23<timmy_>hi, I had debian installed in sda and got a new hdd and wanted to setup LVM on it; everything ok till that. Now I copied the contents of the old hdd to the new one (in a lv), but of course created a non-lv partition in the new hdd (sdb) where I would store the /boot files; I already installed grub, but I don't know how to use a LV as a root partition; any idea?
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21:24<klys>timmy_: see the root-raid howto
21:24<Branden>I'm in. :D
21:24<Branden>Thank you SOOOO much for your help!
21:24<timmy_>klys: link?
21:24<klys>timmy_: I can find it for you given a min.
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21:24<timmy_>ok, tnx
21:24<Nemoder>Branden: if you simply run aptitude without any arguments it will give you a menu of packages you can browse through
21:25<Branden>Ohhhh. Thank you!
21:25<klys>...for one, comes right up with
21:25<klys>dselect might have a better menu I haven't tried the aptitude one
21:26<Nemoder>dselect is less intuitive but I still think it makes things like resolving conflicts easier
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21:27<kirkroy>anyone awake?
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21:27[~]klys waves
21:28<kirkroy>kewl. hay, anyone know what packages I need to get my FTP server side working?
21:28<kirkroy>I can telnet into this computer, but FTP doesn't want to work.
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21:29<ikehack>is FTP open on this pc?
21:30<kirkroy>it should be.
21:30<ikehack>humm, might want to check that out, because if the port, service whatever you want to call it might to be available/open
21:30<kirkroy>looks like it wasn't installed. cheer, I guessed right.
21:31<kirkroy>I checked the port earlier.
21:31<ikehack>so it is indeed open?
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21:31<klys>kirkroy: your router/pc is firewalled, or won't respond to ping
21:31<klys>ikehack: I meant yours
21:31<klys>sorry kirkroy
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21:32<ikehack>is the PC he's trying to FTP into external or local?
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21:33<klys>ikehack: you don't have a public IP, I'm guessing, since you're not using a (firewalled) win32 install
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21:36<klys>ikehack: I'm realizing now that you're asking about his /etc/hosts.allow file
21:36<klys>ikehack: you know, the default debian configuration is to have your ports open
21:37[~]klys declines to pm ikehack ATM
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21:37<Branden>If your connecting external, make sure the port is open the router.
21:38<klys>if he comes back he shouldn't accuse me of cracking his firewall and get away with it
21:38<klys>network admins are superstitious like that
21:38<Branden>Ohhh. Ye.
21:39<kirkroy>who me?
21:41<Branden>Whats C Compiler should I get?
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21:41<klys>no, MG aka. ikehack. he doesn't have anything to worry about. maybe he'll get on 6bone and start taking silly precautions next time
21:41<chealer>Branden: gcc, in general
21:41<klys>gcc is the package you want
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21:42<kirkroy>allright, I'll bite the bullet... how do I check my ports again?
21:43<klys>check through /etc/services and telnet into each one
21:43<klys>then check security mailing list (archives) for holes in your old packages
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21:44<klys>there is not likely any crack in pidentd in case you're suspicious too
21:44<Branden>I'm getting this error when compileing: checking for gcc... gcc
21:44<Branden>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
21:44<kirkroy>allright, they're good. port 20 is ftp-data, 21 is ftp.
21:44<klys>branden: try making a hello.c
21:45<Branden>Hm? (Sorry, new) lol
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21:45<klys>branden: #include <stdio.h> int main( int argc, char** argv ) { printf( "sis boom bah!\n" ); return 0; }
21:46<Branden>Oh you lost me now.
21:46<klys>branden: make sure there's a newline after .h> and paste it into main.c; then gcc -o main.elf main.c; ./main.elf
21:46<networkgamer>can i get help with bluetooth?
21:46<klys>networkgamer: you trying to reach your cellphone?
21:47<klys>networkgamer: you have to have the right kind of cellphone you can install the file on
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21:47<networkgamer>its an lg vx 9900,the enV
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21:47<networkgamer>but its not really that kind of problem
21:48<networkgamer>cause its connecting my ps3 to my phone
21:48<networkgamer>my ps3 is in linux
21:48<networkgamer>and the problem is that linux on the ps3 cant access the bluetooth on the ps3
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21:48<klys>networkgamer: you have bluetooth driver modules installed ok?
21:48<networkgamer>their installed fine
21:49<networkgamer>but bluetooth doesnt actually work
21:49<networkgamer>its as if a null bluetooth device is connected or something
21:49<klys>do you have the program? I'm trying to recall what it is named
21:50<networkgamer>i know for a fact its the linux distro
21:50<networkgamer>no hardware problems at all
21:51<kirkroy>thanx guys. I'll be back if I need more help.
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21:51<networkgamer>cause it works in other distro's
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21:52<networkgamer>but when i do hcitool scan it gives me an Inquiry failed: Connection timed out error
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21:54<Branden>I'm running apt-get upgrade. lol
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21:55<klys>branden: did you already install etch gnome packages? ;)
21:55<Branden>Uhmm.... No.. ?
21:55<klys>cool you're lucky then
21:55<Branden>All I have installed so far.. Is... openssh-server.
21:55<Branden>Thats all. lol
21:56<Branden>And whatever was installed with the netinstaller.
21:56<Branden>I'm new to this all.
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21:56<Branden>Brings me to another question... How do I restart, or shutdown the computer? lol
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21:58<Branden>Hmmm. This site says to get: glibc-devel <Whats that and where can I get it?
21:58<klys>branden: check into ACPI if you want to hibernate. qreboot patch should still work with some modification if you want non-bios booting (say, back to grub). other than that, `man shutdown'
21:58<klys>branden: apt-get install libc6-dev libc6-doc
21:58<klys>then `info libc' be sure to read it.
21:58<Branden>E: Package libc6-doc has no installation candidate
21:59<klys>'scuse me
21:59<Branden>Thanks a million! You all are the best!
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22:00<Branden>YAY!! That fixed it!! :D
22:00<networkgamer>how can i get bluetooth working?
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22:01<klys>right, I forgot the name of the program. it's sitting back in google and the URL somewhere on another laptop HD here. bluetooth can get you internet access, but not FTP
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22:02<Tortel>Anyone know the knoppix channel?
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22:02<Tortel>its not #knoppix
22:03<klys>try ##knoppix
22:04<Tortel>why didnt it connect me to freenode
22:04<Tortel>sorry about that
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22:06<klys>networkgamer: it's as much as I can do with the info I havew
22:06<networkgamer>well thats not the thing
22:06<networkgamer>the problem i have is software based
22:07<networkgamer>the software can detect my ps3's usb bluetooth controller,but cant actually use it
22:08<klys>man hcitool
22:08<klys>I'm just pulling stuff from the page I gave you, really
22:08<networkgamer>its not a problem with linux in general,its a ps3 centric problem
22:09<klys>networkgamer: stick with your senses until you're ready to file a bug report, I think you're full of it. you just have a problem and it's all I know
22:09<networkgamer>well i can do hciconfig
22:10<networkgamer>and it detects the hardware
22:10<networkgamer>and i can do a search with my phone,and it finds a ps30_1 device
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22:10<klys>and hciattach ?
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22:12<klys>and hcitool scan (more to the instructions)
22:13<networkgamer>its not a problem with general linux software
22:13<networkgamer>all the software is running as it should
22:13<networkgamer>just the ps3 hardware is being funky with the software
22:13<klys>you use sdptool after it
22:13<networkgamer> deptect it with that
22:15<klys>do you have p3nfs? (it's what I was trying to remember earlier)
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22:15<networkgamer>lemme see
22:17<networkgamer>dont have it installed,installing now
22:17<klys>you have to install the phone part too, warned you earlier
22:18<klys> has the list of working phones
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22:19<networkgamer>what exactly is p3nfs
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22:19<klys>looks like yours isn't listed anyway
22:19<klys>it's for bluetooth file transfer
22:21<klys>were you using obexftp, it might not work too I was just curious if it didn't already
22:22<networkgamer>thats it
22:22<networkgamer>i installed that
22:22<networkgamer>here,i found out it cant be done
22:22<networkgamer>so my other route is instead mounting a microsd card
22:24<klys>well, the alternative for non-symbian selphones is obexfs and I don't think you want that if obexftp won't work
22:26<networkgamer>well my new problem is mounting this microsd card
22:26<networkgamer>dont worry about bluetooth for now
22:26<klys>do you have the socket?
22:26<networkgamer>i can hook it in
22:26<klys> your laptop?
22:26<networkgamer>but it returns an error when reading the superblock
22:27<klys>fdisk it?
22:27<networkgamer>its a microsdcard in an sd card adapter
22:27<networkgamer>in an sd card slot
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22:27<networkgamer>cant use fdisk
22:28<klys>did you use it on the numbered device or the bare detected device?
22:28<networkgamer>if i try to install it it says util-linux replaces it
22:28<networkgamer>what you mean?
22:28<klys>sounds like an easy problem
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22:28<networkgamer>i tryed mount /dev/sdd
22:28<networkgamer>and it couldnt read the superblock
22:28<klys>ok, /dev/sdd is the bare device
22:28<klys>-t vfat
22:29<Mindtech>hey guys
22:29<networkgamer>tryed that
22:29<networkgamer>it says its not a fat device
22:29<klys>anyway you need fdisk
22:29<networkgamer>how can i get it
22:29<klys>dd if=/dev/sdd of=/morespacehere/file.loop
22:30<klys>can you run the program?
22:30<klys>I mean as root
22:30<networkgamer>should i put that in exactly?
22:30<klys>well, it's your backup
22:30<Mindtech>Where can I find non-free packages?
22:30<klys>mintdech: their vendors
22:30<Mindtech>So directly from the site?
22:31<klys>mindtech: unless you find it mirrored (keep in mind it's not Free)
22:32<Mindtech>Is there anyway to add more packages to the Synaptic Package Manager? I know with Fedora, you can add RPM packages. Does Debian offer anything similar?
22:32<klys>emacs /etc/apt/sources.list; then: apt-get update
22:33<klys>then dselect (to browse through the list)
22:34<klys>networkgamer: are you clear?
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22:35<chealer>Mindtech: it varies depending on the non-free package.
22:36<Mindtech>I'm still trying to figure out this /etc/apt/sources.list
22:36<networkgamer>still need to know how to get the card to work
22:36<Mindtech>What exactly do I add to it to get more packages?
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22:36<networkgamer>the repo url
22:38<chealer>Mindtech: it depends on which more packages you want.
22:38<Mindtech>Any webpages with detailed info on this topic?
22:41<Branden>Is there a way to change the colors and the MOTD?
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22:41<craigevil>Mindtech: are you looking for a certain package?
22:41<Mindtech>Not really
22:41<Mindtech>I just know with Fedora, I can have different sources
22:41<Mindtech>And view a list
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22:41<Mindtech>and then be able to choose whT i wish
22:42<craigevil>there are many repos you could add, but its not really a good idea if you dont need something particular
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22:42<craigevil>synaptic or adept will let you browse through all the packages
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22:44<Mindtech>craigevil, can you lead to a url with detailed information working with debian. I ordered Debian/GNU 3.1 Bible and its coming in the mail next week. I know I'm using 4.0, but I want to use the book as a primer
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22:45<craigevil>Mindtech here is my site that I put together when i first started using Debian>
22:45<craigevil>the Debian docs from have a ton of info
22:46<Mindtech>craigevil, looks good. I'll be bookmarking your site - thanks - I'll be AFK reading your docs
22:46<klys>networkgamer: if fdisk doesn't bite at /dev/sdd, I wouldn't know
22:47<Mindtech>your link to Debian Live is out of date
22:47<craigevil>yeah i havent updated my site since before Etch made stable
22:48<tlof>question to anyone willing to help: how can I get my external 500GB (USB2.0) hard drive to always mount at a consistent point (/media/EXT500 for example)?
22:48<Mindtech>ahhh.. sorry
22:48<klys>tlof: add the mount point you want to /etc/fstab
22:49<tlof>klys - I currently have it set to mount using LABEL=EXT500 in the problem is that when the machine reboots the USB devices aren't always recognized before the fstab is read
22:49<klys>tlof: add the usb-storage and ?hci_hcd modules to /etc/modules
22:49<Branden>whats the package name for TCL?
22:50<networkgamer>fdisk doesnt even work for me
22:51<klys>networkgamer: just for /dev/sdd? try it on /dev/sda to make sure
22:51<networkgamer>i cant use fdisk
22:51<networkgamer>i cant even install it
22:51<klys>tlof: np
22:52<networkgamer>wish i could find my fedora install dvd right about now...
22:52<klys>branden: something like, tcl8.3 ?
22:52<Branden>Ok. I'm trying to apt-get it. lolz
22:52<klys>branden: to find a package with just a hint, apt-cache search hint
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22:53<klys>networkgamer: this type of software you don't have to install to use. just get the deb and dpkg -x it to ~ or somewhere
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22:54<klys>incitentally, util-linux provides /sbin/fdisk
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22:55<klys>networkgamer_: incidentally, util-linux provides /sbin/fdisk
22:55<networkgamer_>well i installed that
22:55<Branden>It seems I have TCL, where does it files get saved to?
22:55<klys>dpkg -L packagename
22:55<dpkg>No packages found matching packagename
22:56<klys>er, do it for your tcl package at the prompt
22:56<klys>pipe to less or grep lib
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22:58<klys>we're doing pretty well I haven't seen an unanswered since 5:00
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22:59<Branden>tcl is being bitchy at me. :( lol
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22:59<klys>did you dpkg --purge it and try a diff. version?
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23:01<Branden>Well, I'm trying to install a eggdrop, and it says its needs version 8.4.6 and that package aint there
23:03<klys>apt-cache search shows me a tcl8.4
23:04<Branden>I'm getting -dev now
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23:06<Branden>That fixed it :D
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23:12<klys>yanuar28: allow?
23:12<klys>how be the tides?
23:13<klys>oh, a low tide
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23:13<klys>catch a starfish?
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23:14<networkgamer_>well cya
23:14<klys>ciao bud
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23:15<klys>you can call me anytime you know that
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23:15<vortek>hello :)
23:16<vortek>what does dpkg mean when you ask em about amd64 and near the end he bables about flash
23:16<vortek>confuses me
23:16<dpkg>i guess amd64 is See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper
23:16<vortek>yeah the part on flash
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23:17<klys>so, are you in charge of this tip?
23:17<vortek>or for flash on amd64
23:17<Branden>Ermmm. Whats this? make: *** [modtest] Error 1
23:17<klys>ok, well flash is a browser plugin, and not directly in debian, and probably needed a wrapper script
23:17<klys>~google nspluginwrap
23:17<Mindtech>Does anyone know the name of the ati video card drivers? glfx or something like that?
23:18<vortek>i wonder how much trouble ill have with nvidia and 64bit
23:18<vortek>i cant remember
23:19<klys>branden: you should type more or less about the error, the make session died that's all
23:19<klys>s/that's all/you know/
23:19<Branden>. /bin/sh: EGGMOD.stamp: Permission denied. make: *** [modtest] Error 1
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23:19<klys>chmod +x EGGMOD.stamp
23:20<klys>or +w or something
23:20<klys>+r is the other one, 777 is complete
23:21<Branden>chmod: cannot access `EGGMOD.stamp': No such file or directory
23:21<vortek>hrm i forgot lol
23:21<vortek>i can burn iso to dvd
23:22<Branden>Ok. I have eggdrop compiled but in root, can I just move it?
23:23<klys>branden: chmod -R branden.branden ~/eggdrop
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23:31<Branden>Sorry to be a pain, but how do I install a .deb package?
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23:31<klys>dpkg -iGREB file.deb
23:32<Branden>You are thee BEST! :D
23:32<klys>same version as you have now? dpkg -iGROB file.deb
23:32<klys>extra trouble? dpkg --force-depends file.deb
23:32<Branden>Hehehehehehehe. You are like my GOD! :D
23:32<jair>guys, anyone have the latest and stable guide for packaging debian dpkg?
23:32<klys>just want to unpack the control files? mkdir e; dpkg -e file.deb e
23:32<jair>I am trying to get the packaging guide for debian
23:33<jair>maybe debian etch?
23:33<jair>or debian lenny?
23:33<jair>or sid?
23:33<jair>or there is the same packaging guide from ubuntu? or there is just one for all the .deb distributions?
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23:35<dpkg>hmm... packaging is covered nicely at,
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23:35<klys>best I could do
23:35<jair>klys: thanks
23:35<vortek>ok biz card iso locked up at cfq scheduler
23:36<vortek>im gona try netinst
23:36<vortek>never had this cfq problem before
23:36<vortek>im familer with what it is
23:37<klys>maybe, burn again, bad cdrs are easy to come by
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23:48<slownix>hrm no luck not even with netinstall cd
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23:49<klys>slownix: can't complain about your luck. state the bugs, though
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23:50<slownix>i read some other distros havng this problem
23:50<klys>kernel trouble?
23:50<slownix>people turning apci off in bios
23:50<klys>I do thta
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23:50<phorce1>Are there any automagic udev-rule-making scripts out there? udev rules are ugly and confusing
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23:51<slownix>no apic and acpi is how people are getting around it
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23:51<klys>turning off acpi, I mean, works for my harware detection setup
23:51<Branden>klys: debian:/home/branden/eggdrop1.6.18# chmod -R branden.branden ~/eggdrop
23:51<Branden>chmod: invalid mode: `branden.branden'
23:51<slownix>maybe i try reboot with stuff off for now
23:52<burningfire>Hi. Where can I find where things are "modprobe'd" at the start of the system? I am trying to remove the parallel port modules from starting up, since this computer doesn't have a parallel port. So far I have them on my blacklist.
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23:52<klys>try /etc/modules first, then /etc/modutils
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23:53<burningfire>klys: I don't see anything about parport in those two locations.
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23:54<Branden>People need to wait.
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23:55<klys>branden: chown -R branden.branden ~/eggdrop1.8.18
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23:55<klys>well, type there too
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23:55<Branden>Its ok. :D
23:56<klys>burningfire: are you running udev? maybe it is loading the module
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23:58<phorce1>klys: That's cute. heh
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23:59<klys>burningfire: also check into kmod
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