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00:01<fxiny>ahahh . interesting : sco/novell/SOLARIS licences side effects on opensolaris , hmmm ,juicy day ...
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00:22<rarj>How do I automount a partition ? I get a "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" error when I right click -> mount
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01:15<jherrera><rarj> take a look at /etc/fstab
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01:17<jherrera>rarj, is it an ext partition?
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01:50<lanceallott>was wondering if anyone here has succeded in getting Compiz or Beryl running on Kubuntu Fiesty
01:51<lanceallott>with the ATI vga
01:52<lanceallott>Mobility Radeon X1300 chip to be exact
01:55<lanceallott>I'am probably in the wrong channel for this, so my apoligies in advance
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01:56<lanceallott>so consider this an out of form question from a debian user
01:59<simonrvn>ubuntu != debian
01:59<lanceallott>ture...they are really close
01:59<simonrvn>ubuntu != debian
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02:00<lanceallott>no I was sorta trying to do it with kubuntu
02:00<lanceallott>I perfer KDE
02:00<simonrvn>wrong channel anyway
02:00<lanceallott>I know
02:01<dli>!tell lanceallott about ubuntu
02:01<simonrvn>so don't expect to be answered ;)
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02:01<manphiz>lanceallott, #ubuntu would be the place.
02:03<lanceallott>I'll try there, but as a footnote I believe I will have the same Xorg hardware detection in Debian
02:03<lanceallott>that is the same problems
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02:04<simonrvn>let me spell it out: wrong distro. period. i don't care about your arguments, i've heard them all.
02:05<lanceallott>well here this...mandrive 2007 and spring 2007 detected and configured everything on the first try
02:05<lanceallott> but I dont really like .rpm based distros
02:06<dpkg>well, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."
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02:06<manphiz>lanceallott, for the question. 3D acceleration support for ATI X1000 series is currently only supported by proprietary driver from AMD/ATI itself, which can be used only with Xgl to support compiz/beryl currently.
02:07<dli>I wonder how the avivo driver developing goes
02:07<manphiz>xorg's avivo driver is out, but without 3D acceleration support yet, which then might be unable to run compiz/beryl smoothly with xorg+aiglx
02:08<dli>manphiz, be able or "unable"?
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02:09<manphiz>dli, I meant unable, but I haven't got one to test...
02:10<dli>manphiz, I don't want the flgrx driver. I want something simply works, okay to do without 3D, if that's the price to pay
02:11<manphiz>dli, then avivo may be sufficient for you, at least it should works :)
02:11<dli>manphiz, you sure? slow development,
02:12<manphiz>at least avivo snapshot entered experimental few weeks ago.
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02:15<dli>manphiz, oh, let me try to install it from git
02:16<dli>manphiz, the fglrx is just too buggy, random errors with xv/gl2, color, also, it requires manual installation mostly
02:17<manphiz>well, that's the nature of proprietary :P
02:18<dli>manphiz, I remembered people hoped amd to open source the driver, looks like just enough reason not to buy amd all at once
02:20<manphiz>People should have something to leave with :) And it might be "NV haven't open sourced yet, why should I" thing, which applies to nv as well :)
02:20<simonrvn>nv is f/oss, nvidia isn't
02:22<dli>manphiz, yes, facing the competition, intel video is open now
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02:23<manphiz>simonrvn, ah, my inaccuracy :)
02:24<simonrvn>here to help
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02:25<manphiz>I believe there are more patent convolution for nvidia and amd than Intel.
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03:05<baloo>Life on the trolley
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03:38<kevc>can you use the debian installer partition editor after installation, and if so can you use it to set up an encrypted partition?
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03:46[~]vastinfest labas rytas
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03:50<Branden>How do I extract bz2?
03:50<Branden>.tar.bz2 I should say.
03:51<fxiny>tar xf *.bz2
03:51<kevc>tar -jxvf ...tar.bz2 target
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03:52<kevc>the j specifies to unbzip2
03:52<fxiny>enjoy the new tar
03:52<fxiny>now tar recognize compressions format
03:53<bony>how to get the debian menu in the main menu list that is there in Applications located at top left corner
03:53<bony>in gnome
03:53<bony>i recently upgrade the system from etch to sid
03:54<Branden>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
03:54<Branden>Its there though.
03:55<fxiny>tar xf *.bzip2
03:55<Branden>ts2_server_rc2_202319.tar.bz2 <Is the file.
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03:56<kevc>Branden: install bzip2 using apt-get
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03:56<Branden>TY! :D
03:57<fxiny>it doesn't matter if is bzip2 or bz2 . the name does not count
03:57<GeminiDragon>hello all
03:57<GeminiDragon>anyone know anything about c++ programming here?
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03:58<fxiny>i spent half my life using j or z flags to decompress , someone told me in this chan a couple of weeks ago . since then i just tar xf all files
03:59<kevc>fxiny: istr that they were necessary at one point. perhaps checking the file type is a new thing
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04:00<GeminiDragon>I think it is... it never did it itself originally... you had to specify the file type as being tar or bzipped
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04:01<fxiny>kevc: exactly : is a new thing
04:02<kevc>now if only they could make a suitable option to stop you needing fakeroot to set file info correctly...
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04:04<fxiny>it always distressed me looking left-right sometimes even twice at the extension . i love this tar xf file
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04:22<zulu>I have 2Gb memory, do I need a swap?
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04:23<fxiny>i'd set not more then a 500MB
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04:24<_Tango_>hai all
04:25<_Tango_>hai how can i see the USB device identifier in my system?
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04:25<fxiny>lspci ?
04:26<zulu>cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
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04:27<fxiny>this is called a "crescendo" :)
04:28<_Tango_>no the lspci or lsusb is not showing :(
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05:25<Saratoga>Good Morning.
05:25<Saratoga>Is anyone around?? ;)
05:28<Saratoga>Well, basically, I've got a problem with connectivity. I've set in etc/network/interfaces the static routes for the network connection and I've added the gateway in as well, but I'm not able to get on the web :(
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05:29<Saratoga>Before I added the gateway item to the file I could type, in root, 'route add default gw' except now i get an error of 'SIOCADDRT: File exists"
05:29<Saratoga>Anyone help pleaes?
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05:36<dli>Saratoga, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
05:36<Saratoga>do you want the route information too?
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05:39<Saratoga>just gimme a mo, gotta get the stuff across...
05:41<bony>i am unable to play mp3's in totem in-spite of installing all the gstreamer-0.10 packages
05:41<bony>how to make totem play mp3's?
05:42<manphiz>have gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad installed?
05:42<bony>manphiz, yes i installed that
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05:42<Branden>How can I start MySQL server?
05:43<Maulkin> /etc/init.d/mysql start
05:43<matth_>Branden: invoke-rc.d mysql start
05:43<bony>Branden, or just type msql as root
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05:43<Branden>debian:/etc/mysql# msql
05:43<Branden>-bash: msql: command not found
05:43<Maulkin>Branden: run /etc/init.d/mysql start
05:43<Maulkin>As root
05:44<skenmy>Hi all - trying to run an apt-get update but im getting this error message - any ideas on what could be causing it?
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05:44<bony>Branden, did you install msyql-server package?
05:44<bony>Branden, mysql-server
05:44<dpkg>somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
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05:44<skenmy>thanks Maulkin :)
05:45<Branden>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running.
05:45<Branden>But, I can't connect to it or anything.
05:45<bony>Branden, check out with mysql-client
05:45<Branden>got that.
05:46<bony>Branden, then type mysql in the root prompt
05:46<Saratoga>dli, route -v gives me this
05:46<Branden>Does mysql-server or client come with PHPMYADMIN?
05:46<dli>Saratoga, obviously, you can not have the same gateway for two NICs
05:46<Saratoga>ok, at the moment the ethHun is not plugged in
05:47<dli>Saratoga, just "ifdown " all, and start only one of them
05:47<Saratoga>but it is setup so that i could if I wanted plug it in
05:47<bony>Branden, you mean phpmyadmin?
05:47<matth_>skenmy: btw you seems to have a b0rken sources.list
05:47<skenmy>Fixed it now :P
05:47<skenmy>well, it's running
05:47<dli>Saratoga, you have two NICs in the same subnet, so, the kernel doesn't know how to route them
05:47<manphiz>bony, that's weird. My rhythmbox/totem handle mp3 well after gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad installed.
05:48<Branden>Oh, I don't have it. I'm getting it now.
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05:48<Saratoga>so would i mark of the nic I'm not using by putting # in front of them in the interfaces file?
05:48<fatal_>Seems like there's some udev madness going on... can anyone help me with this?
05:48<bony>Branden, well i don't think phpmyadmin will install mysql-server and client. i just checked the depending packages on phpmyadmin and there is no mysql-server mysql-client
05:48<fatal_>$ sudo ip tunnel add tun64 mode sit remote any local
05:48<fatal_>$ ip li sh | grep tun64
05:48<fatal_>20: tun64_rename@NONE: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop
05:49<bony>manphiz, well the error is something like this
05:49<Branden>Yes, I know, but I have both packages. I just need something to connect to it now, externaly.
05:49<Saratoga>dli, Thanks ;) I've ifdown'd both entries and bought ethGig back up on its own and everything connects straight away ;)
05:49<Branden>How can I find out my user/pass's for MySQL?
05:50<matth_>Branden: you have maintenance one that could be usefull to sort things out in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
05:50<matth_>isn't root allowed on localhost without paswd btw ?
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05:50<matth_>I mean on default install
05:50<bony>manphiz, this the error it shows
05:50<Branden>I don't know.. Sorry, I'm new.
05:51<Branden>Oh. Yes. Your correct, no pass needed.
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05:51<matth_>Branden: If you're new you'll probably apprecitate phpmyadmin
05:51<Branden>Yes. :D That is why I got it.
05:51<Branden>I would get CPanel, but I'm poor. lol
05:51<Branden>Is there a program, free, like Cpanel or anything?
05:54[~]mikegrb runs
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05:56<Saratoga>Thanks for your help dli, cherrio for now ;)
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06:01<gsimmons>!tell Branden -about free whcp
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06:01<matth_>fatal_: mh strange, here "5: tun64@NONE: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop
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06:03<Branden>Thank you, I'll look into that in a little while. Thanks for the help, you all are the best!
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06:07<aycko>if i compile a package myself, what will happen if there is an update?
06:08<aycko>say i use the source package and change some opts and customize this package.
06:08<kevc>it would potentially get updated
06:09<kevc>you probably want to use apt pinning for that sort of thing
06:09<aycko>hmmm... good to know
06:10<dli>aycko, keep the packages in your own repository, you update them yourself
06:10<Myon>or dump the version number to 10:something
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06:11<kevc>by updated, I mean, a newer version installed that doesn't contain your modificatinos
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06:11<dli>aycko, however, if you do lots of custom packages, and want them to update easily, you may try a source based distro
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06:11<aycko>no its only pure-ftpd
06:12<aycko>i want it with virtualchroot
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06:12<aycko>i guess that this package is quite stable, so there are few updates.
06:13<fatal_>matth_: oh well... added an ugly hack with ifrename to rename it back... thanks for verifying that it's something weird on my install only...
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06:39<qwaz>Hi. I have grass installed on my Debian AMD64, and would like to have qgis too. However, I get a warning about unmet dependencies: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: qgis: Depends: libgsl0 (>= 1.4) which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: qgis [Not Installed]".
06:40<qwaz>But if it is not installed? What can I do?
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06:43<vasi>qwaz, it seems weird that it can't find a libgsl0
06:43<vasi>what dist are you running?
06:43<qwaz>vasi: Debian AMD64, unstable
06:43<vasi>does 'apt-cache search libgsl' turn up anything at all?
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06:43<qwaz>vasi: Yes it finds them
06:44<qwaz>vasi: err, or, no...
06:44<vasi>packages.d.o seems to say that unstable has no libgsl0, i'm not sure why....but it's definitely in testing
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06:45<qwaz>vasi: There are six packages for libgsl, three for ruby and three others
06:45<vasi>ah they're doing some sort of transiton from libgsl0 -> libgsl0ldbl or something
06:46<qwaz>vasi: with me caught in the middle?
06:47<vasi>possibly...i would expect them to have libgsl0ldbl Provide libgsl0 at least during some transition period
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06:47<vasi>but i guess not :-(
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06:48<qwaz>Do you think I could ln -s ... ?
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06:49<vasi>i wouldn't recommend it :-(
06:49<vasi>you could try using the versions from testing, but that's still iffy
06:49<vasi>(tbh, if you can't accept breakage you shouldn't be running unstable)
06:49<vasi>you really should file a bug on qgis though
06:49<vasi>it doesn't look like anyone else has yet
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06:51<vasi>qwaz: think you'll be ok for now?
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06:52<qwaz>vasi: yes, Im ok with unstable. Thanks for the help!
06:52<vasi>np, hope it's resolved soon
06:53<qwaz>Where would I submit a bug? qgis, grass or debian?
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06:54<bzed>if you're using a debian package - report it to debian.
06:55<vasi>yeah, definitely to debian
06:55<qwaz>ok, thanks. Cheers.
06:55<bzed>against the package which is buggy in your opinion
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07:12<MobileUser>hey, I need some help with a bin file which contains a rpm, I want to open it so that I can use alien to convert the rpm. What is a good way to deal with bin files?
07:12<Myon>what does 'file' say?
07:12<lupine_85>depends on what sort of bin file it is
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07:13<zukalk>hey, i'm planning on buying a notebook on which i'd run debian (probably lenny). does anyone have any experience with an AMD Turion 64 -ML32 Mobile?
07:13<MobileUser>shell script
07:13<MobileUser>but it contains this rpm inside it
07:14<fxiny>MobileUser: what this bin is about ? are you 100% sure debian can't provide an alternative ?
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07:15<MobileUser>yes...unfortunatly, this a a file which needs to be installed in a coporate debian server...
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07:16<MobileUser>I was hoping on extracting the rpm and then using alien...I really hate how coporations give preference to rpms
07:17<Myon>sh file.bin
07:17<Myon>should be self-extracting
07:17<Myon>("shar archive")
07:17<qwaz>Hi, I am newbie to Gnome... I normally used KDE, but thought I would give Gnome a chance. How do i update the menus in Gnome?! I have typed update-menus but no luck finding the newly installed package g3data in the menus. I cannot even find the Debian menu, present in KDE.
07:17<MobileUser>I tried that
07:18<MobileUser>would unshar work?
07:18<Myon>could be
07:18<Myon>alternatively you could try removing the header and then seeing what the rest is
07:18<Myon>(rpm, tar, ...)
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07:19<MobileUser>hum...that is a good idea
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07:24<Branden>I'm getting the following error when installed: ERROR: Your system configuration is not compatible with ISPConfig! The installation routine stops here!
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07:26<Branden>Nvm. Missing some stuff.
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07:54<Branden>ERROR: MySQL is not running! Please start your MySQL database and run the ISPConfig setup again.
07:54<Branden>But, MySQL is running.
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08:07<freeflyheu>hello everyone ,
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08:14<Branden>How do I run MySQL as not socket?
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08:20<lucas_amorim>hello! What are the best modems (dial up 56k connection) supported by debian? I would like to buy a modem that works with debian gnu/linux
08:20<lucas_amorim>is there a compatibility list?
08:20<kevc>I'd suspect any hardware modem will work
08:20<kevc>buy an external modem with a serial connection
08:21<lucas_amorim>Do they all use the same driver?
08:21<venkatesh>almost all do
08:21<kevc>there's really no 'driver' needed
08:21<venkatesh>(any that use the hayes standard do)
08:21<lucas_amorim>The internal modems are cheaper
08:21<kevc>that's because they are missing a DSP, you don't want one of those
08:21<kevc>it'll slow your machine down significantly as well
08:21<lucas_amorim>all the internal modems are winmodems???
08:21<venkatesh>not all
08:21<venkatesh>but most
08:21<kevc>probably most are these days
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08:22<kevc>an external should be cheap second hand
08:22<kevc>lots of people moving off dialup
08:22<lucas_amorim>then it is safer to buy an external modem?
08:22<kevc>lots of defunct modems
08:22<venkatesh>the likelyhood of working is much better and you get colorful lights!
08:22<lucas_amorim>do they all connect via serial port?
08:22<freeflyheu>Is anyone can tell me how to mount DVD in debian ,when I usr "mount -t iso9660 dev/hbd /cdrom" ,the system give wrong
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08:23<venkatesh>almost all recent ones do
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08:23<kevc>freeflyheu: you missed a / before dev? what error does it give?
08:23<venkatesh>(there are a few USB and parallel ones around, no idea how they work with linux)
08:23<lucas_amorim>Well, that would be nicer to connect via ethernet using a dhcp server in its firmware... Than it would be just plug and play :D
08:24<kevc>you can get modem routers, but that's a bit unnecessary
08:24<kevc>and very expensive
08:24<freeflyheu>sorry, maybe first i have to study use IRC
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08:26<fxiny>lucas_amorim: i used a robotics 56k
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08:27<lucas_amorim>kevc: Well I was looking at the prices at a brasilian (where i live) auction site and external modems are really expensive
08:27<lucas_amorim>fxiny: yes, i foun one of these in the site... really expensive
08:27<kevc>they should maybe be around 50% more expensive than a winmodem
08:27<lucas_amorim>They are all more expensive then some DSL modems!!
08:28<lucas_amorim>well, I think I could find a internal hardmodem
08:28<lucas_amorim>that should work, right?
08:28<fxiny>lucas_amorim: yes it is expensive , an internal modem should cost around 10 euro
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08:28<fxiny>meybe less
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08:29<kevc>external should be < 40 eur ?
08:29<Cerda>anyone here that has 2 sound cards? and have some problems with the settings while rebooting???
08:29<lucas_amorim>fxiny: it cost around R$15 which is about U$6
08:29<lupine_85>Cerda: I have two sound cards
08:30<lupine_85>what I find is that on reboot, the order of the cards in alsa can change
08:30<lucas_amorim>the real problem is to buy a modem that is not a softmodem.. because sellers are win users and they do not know the differnce
08:30<lupine_85>but I have set functions for the two cards anyway, so I just use the device name (rather than device number) in the apps I use (amarok, skype (bleurgh))
08:31<fxiny>lucas_amorim: iirc last time i spent around 70 euro for a robotics , but now i hardly see any on display . i wouldn't give 'em more then say 15 to 20
08:31<lucas_amorim>that is the why I would like to find a compatibility list and look for them
08:31<Cerda>lupine_85: everytime i reboot alsa goes for the onboard card, and i have to alsaconf every boot
08:31<kevc>lucas_amorim: that is probably more effort than it's worth, if you ask me
08:31<kevc>depends on how much you value the added effort/hassle
08:31<fxiny>lucas_amorim: i believe they will happily share :)
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08:32<lucas_amorim>share what?
08:32<Cerda>alsactl store doesn't work for me either
08:32<fxiny>the money
08:32<fxiny>cut the damned price
08:33<lucas_amorim>I will see
08:33<fxiny>lucas_amorim: internal are crap
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08:33<lucas_amorim>but I am still looking for the internal hard modem compatibility list
08:33<Branden>I'm haveing a problem, I can't seem to get MySQL to work, I don't seem to see it in netstat -tap
08:33<lucas_amorim>that is for my girfriend... I connect via dsl
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08:34<lucas_amorim>I want to make her use debian :) But she does not want debian without internet connection
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08:34<ranix>buy her dsl
08:35<ranix>how much is her dial up
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08:35<ranix>unless she lives in the ass end of nowhere dsl should be about the same price
08:35<rjent>Greetings, I have a netboot setup that I need to upgrade the kernel, can I just do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade to get the newest kernel if the setup is pinned?
08:35<ranix>ass end of nowhere AND in the US or Canada
08:35<lucas_amorim>ranix: I would have to pay around U$50 every month for the service
08:36<ranix>whooooa what
08:36<Cerda>lucas_amorim br?
08:36<lucas_amorim>CErda: yes
08:36<ranix>ooooh I see
08:36<Cerda>opa brasil ;)
08:36<lucas_amorim>fxiny: will this work
08:36<lucas_amorim>Cerda: We ca not speak portuguese here :s
08:37<lucas_amorim>Cerda: can*
08:37<Cerda>lucas_amorim i guess so :P
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08:37<lucas_amorim>Cerda: There is a debian br channel
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08:39<fxiny>lucas_amorim: looks similar to mine : how much is R$ 80 ?
08:39<lucas_amorim>ranix: Yeah that is what I pay to ahvew a 600Kb conenction at home
08:40<Cerda>so anyone knows how i make alsa search for my other sound card while booting?
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08:40<lucas_amorim>fxiny: about U$40 :(
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08:41<rjent>Perhaps I should ask is there anything special I need to do to upgrade a kernel on a pinned setup?
08:41<fxiny>lucas_amorim: is the same : v90 , yeahh . different colours and leds . 40 dollars ? too much !
08:41<fxiny>is a ripp off
08:42<ranix>I used to have a v90
08:42<ranix>back in the day
08:42<lucas_amorim>If they where selling it by about U$20 I would buy
08:43<lucas_amorim>I will take a look at e-bay]
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08:46<lucas_amorim>well I think I will have to buy an internal modem
08:46<lucas_amorim>does any one know a linux compatibility list?
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08:47<gsimmons>!tell lucas_amorim -about hcl
08:47<Branden>Please help, I'm trying to install something and it says MySQL aint running it is, and then on a site is says MySQL needs to be in ' netstat -tap ' and it aint.
08:48<kevc>Branden: mysql might not be set to listen to tcp
08:48<kevc>might be a config in /etc/default/...
08:48<lucas_amorim>gsimmons: thanks
08:48<Branden>Theres a config in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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08:52<Branden>I don't see anything about lisening to tcp.
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08:53<Branden>Wait.. I see it. But its listening on port 3307. :S
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08:57<Branden>Fixed. Ty.
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09:13<Branden>How can I get Net::DNS?
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09:14<witte>Branden: you mean as in the perl module Net::DNS?
09:14<Branden>Yes. I'm trying to install ISPConfig
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09:15<Branden>ERROR: the required Net::DNS (version 0.34) module is not installed. at lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/Util/ line 293, <STDIN> line 1.
09:15<witte>Branden: you can do "apt-cache search Net:DNS" which resolves in (amongst others) libnet-dns-perl
09:15<Branden>witte: Thank you.
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09:17<witte>Branden: you can also search for a file: "apt-file search Net::DNS" would give you the same result (but you have to install apt-file first of course ;))
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09:18<Branden>Ok. Thank you.
09:19<Tydor>isolinux: disk error 20, ax=4241, drive EF Boot failed
09:19<Tydor>alguem pode me aconselhar?
09:20<witte>Tydor: only english here...
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09:21<Tydor>any one can help me, with the boot problem? i can't install
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09:22<witte>Tydor: are you trying to install from a netinstall cd, and are you sure the burning was done properly
09:22<witte>and at what stage do you get that error
09:22<Tydor>i trying install with iso1-xface
09:23<rjent>What is going on when apt-get update stop at security with 99% [6 Packages bzip2 0] ?
09:23<Tydor>after the message "f1 for help or enter for boot"
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09:24<witte>Tydor: iso1-xface i do not know (could be me), are you installing debian?
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09:25<witte>Tydor: which image did you download and how did you make make it
09:25<witte>ah, ok
09:25<Tydor>i downloading now netinst for testing
09:26<witte>ok, i was not aware that there were debian installers with xfce on disk :-)
09:27<Tydor>xface is good?
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09:29<entuall>hello, is there a recommended doc for installing apache2+php5+python+fcgid+suexec ?
09:29<witte>Tydor: i do not know xface, but if you mean xfce, I think taht it is quite ok (depends on what you like).
09:29<witte>xfce is quite lightweight
09:29<noflash>Tydor, works fine for me
09:30<Tydor>sorry for my english and wrong words xD i will forget the windows now xD
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09:36<rjent>is it normal for to resolve to ?
09:38<witte>rjent: if I ping, i go to, but maybe we are not in the same region...
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09:38<rjent>witte: are there multiple security servers based on region?
09:39<witte>rjent: I do not know, but that would seem logical
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09:40<rjent>witte: odd I just pinged again and I get the same results you get now.
09:41<witte>rjent: mine says villa now :-)
09:41<quasisane>'host' shows that it points to three ips (steffani,villa,lobos)
09:41<rjent>witte: ok well that settles it then it is a round robin model probably. Ahh quasisane has settled it. Thanks
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10:10<Brudus>Hey, I used synaptic to install a program called mplayer. But it didn't put it in any of my menus. Where can I find the program?
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10:10<Maulkin>Brudus: you'll need gmplayer for the graphical version
10:12<gsimmons>Brudus: Apps -> Viewers
10:12<_Tango_>fucking Linux
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10:13<[meme]>I am the administrator of a Server running Apache, how can I let other people access to the htdocs so he can administer web documents, with out giving him root access?
10:13<Brudus>It's not in there. I used "open with" to open a video file and mplayer was in the list.
10:13<Wolfy>or kmplayer
10:13<Wolfy>better to use vlc
10:13<Wolfy>use synaptic to install vlc
10:15<Brudus>I know, I have VLC. What i'm really trying to do is play an encrypted DVD. I downloaded the libdvdcss thing, but the instructions weren't for a linux newb like me.
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10:16<Wolfy>use automatix
10:16<Wolfy>it should install all the dvd stuff automatically
10:17<Wolfy>go to the installation and then follow the full debian etch installation
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10:19<Wolfy>above link
10:20<Wolfy>its an automatic installation script
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10:22<vroom>after an upgrade from etch to lenny i lose mp3 playback ability in rhythmbox/banshee etc. was this removed? or shifted to a package i do not have?
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10:23<alex__>how do i configure my keyboard layout? its german and i want it english :)
10:23<Branden>Where does MySQL users/passes get stored?
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10:24<lupine_85>I know what it is
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10:24<Wolfy>@alex__ if youre using kde. Kde button->Control Center->Regional And Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
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10:25<Wolfy>didnt even know both of them are different
10:25<Wolfy>maybe a dpkg-reconfigure should help?
10:26<alex__>hmm nope
10:26<alex__>i remember being told it not so long ago
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10:26<alex__>cant remember it now
10:27<jae>Which bazaar package is the, well, canonical one? (canonical not as in "the company" ;)
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10:31<Wolfy>edit .bashrc maybe?
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10:31<Wolfy>maybe search or post on
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10:33<S0UL>somebody here can help me with gaim is one stupid question i think
10:34<Branden>How can I restart apache?
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10:35<suiside>Branden: /etc/init.d/httpd restart
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10:35<Branden>Thank you.
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10:36<S0UL>brandom: try search in etc/init.d
10:36<Branden>-bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory
10:36<gsimmons>Branden: Actually, it's either 'apache' or 'apache2' (depeding on your Apache version) in place of 'httpd'.
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10:42<ravl>hello. i'm trying to move from etch to lenny, i changed my sources.list and did an 'aptitude update'. now i get this error: 'E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)'
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10:46<vroom>ravl, are you running the update as root?
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10:48<ravl>vroom: yes, I did the update as root. I had an error from bunzip2 during the update, and now i get that lock error when i try to 'aptitude update' or 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
10:48<vroom>ravl, try aptitude -f install
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10:51<ravl>vroom: same error
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10:53<Maulkin>ravl: is another process running?
10:53<Maulkin>run "lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
10:54<alex__>!free webhosting products
10:54<alex__>how do you search keywords?
10:54<Maulkin> /msg dpkg help
10:54<Maulkin>or go to
10:55<ravl>the process is still running for some reason. thanks
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10:58<alex__>anyone got DSPAM working debian?
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11:00<alex88ita>is there anyone?
11:00<ravl>on a different topic, is there a PDF utility for debian that allows to move PDFs to handhelds?
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11:01<alex88ita>ravl: opensync/multisync?
11:02<guguneto>echolinux program dont run in kurumin linux 7
11:02<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not Debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin:
11:03<ravl>alex88ita: the reader for Palm OS is from Adobe, that's why I wonder
11:03<alex88ita>i see but i think they are worth a try
11:03<alex88ita>do u use kde?
11:04<ravl>yes, Kpilot has worked very well for my palm m125. i'm getting a tungsten now
11:04<alex88ita>which one?
11:04<alex88ita>i have a T|T :D
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11:06<ravl>i used my m125 basically as a portable Kontact, but I'd like to take advantage of the capacity of the new one
11:07<ravl>it's sad OpenOffice doesn't support palms
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11:08<Wolfy>anyone know if nokia phones can be connected? and applications installed?
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11:12<alex__>I LOVE YOU DEBIAN
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11:14<vasi>i've been making some empty files with dd, and something weird is happening
11:14<Wolfy>they're filling up? LOL
11:14<vasi>if i use count=88, du reports a size of 44k as expect
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11:15<vasi>and then count=96 gives 48k, again as expected
11:15<vasi>but then count=97 gives 56k, wtf?
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11:15<Wolfy>try count=89 what does that give
11:15<vasi>48k, which is normal
11:16<vasi>since the disk has blocks of 4k
11:16<vasi>i just don't understand why all of a sudden it jumps by 8k instead from 96 => 97
11:16<Wolfy>right. It shouldnt go two blocks
11:16<Wolfy>dk man
11:17<vasi>oh, don't know
11:17<vasi>oh well
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11:17<vasi>maybe there's some sort of alternate stream of data that's getting stored, like how files on the mac have resource forks and all that jazz
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11:18<andre>anyone knows wheres the best howto for install ati drivers?
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11:19<gsimmons>!tell andre -about fglrx
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11:20<witte>andre: if you want the open source drivers: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
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11:24<andre>witte: i followed the steps from some howtos (include the one from this chanel) but it seems the driver isnt loaded
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11:25<vasi>Wolfy, i think i figured it out!
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11:26<vasi>after the file uses 12 fs-blocks, it's out of room in the inode to store more blocks
11:26<alex88ita>i have a problem
11:26<alex88ita>with direct rendering, can anyone help?
11:26<vasi>so it needs to create an extra "indirect" block to point to more blocks
11:27<Wolfy>hence the extra space
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11:27<vasi>now to get all scientific, i have to test my hypothesis :-)
11:28<Wolfy>same thing should happen at 193 right?
11:28<vasi>something around there
11:28<vasi>er no, more than that no?
11:29<vasi>the indirect block is 4k, so it can hold 1024 pointers
11:29<Wolfy>hmmm didnt know that
11:29<vasi>so it would be 1036 i think
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11:29<Wolfy>why 1036 and not 1025
11:30<vasi>12 in the main inode, then 1024 in the indirect one
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11:30<vasi>i think
11:30<Wolfy>try it then
11:30<vasi>so i'd expect another jump between count=8828 and count=8829
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11:31<vasi>but i don't get one, damn :-(
11:31<vasi>oh i'm dyslexic, that's 8288
11:32<vasi>it jumps by 12k at 8289, as expected
11:32<kdean06>When I installed my latest Lenny install I passed the vga=795 option but I later found that I need vga=791 to make Splashy work. I've changed these in grub, but anytime Grub is rebuilt the vga=795 comes back. How can I change this to the 791 I need?
11:32<vasi>alright, mystery solved, i can get back to hacking on partition tables :-)
11:32<Wolfy>good for you ... I guess
11:32<Wolfy>hopefully that wont be on your own hard drive (haha)
11:32<kdean06>Sorry, I edited this in menu.lst, not in Grub itself. :S
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11:33<vasi>Wolfy, nothing wrong with hacking partition tables on your own drive!
11:33<vasi>though i admit the first time i started a hex editor on my partmap i was sorta nervous ;-)
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11:33<Wolfy>really? I wouldnt touch my partitions. Dont you think data would like corrupt data?
11:34<gsimmons>kdean06: Check the values provided for 'kopt' and 'defoptions'.
11:34<vasi>well i don't edit the partmap directly...i dd the partmap to a file, make a backup, edit it, and dd back to the partmap
11:34<vasi>if i screw up, i just fix it with the backup
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11:35<Wolfy>deep stuff man. What are you doing? Comupter Engineering?
11:35<vasi>when i was installing NetBSD i didn't really have another option, their mac port uses this really archaic partition structure
11:35<kdean06>gsimmons, Ah ha! I see that update-grub considers ## to be a comment and # to be an option. :) Thanks for the hint. :)
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11:35<c01100011> is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
11:36<Wolfy>and here I was thinking BSD would be interesting to run. I'll just stick with Debian for now
11:36<ehtom>any idea how to install RSBAC on debian?
11:36<vasi>OpenBSD was much easier actually :-)
11:36<vasi>i'm now trying to write my first kernel patch, i want linux to be able to read my OpenBSD partitions
11:37<ehtom>what fs does openbsd use?
11:37<kdean06>vasi, Mac G4 and G5 (PPC) used NewWorld partitions... They're weird but Linux based OSes also use them, as does Mac OS X.
11:37<vasi>kdean06, yes
11:37<kdean06>ehtom, UFS+
11:37<vasi>but OpenBSD uses a disklabel on PPC
11:37<venkatesh>alex88ita, what's not working?
11:37<vasi>and linux's disklabel support only works in MBR-disks
11:37<vasi>and only supports little-endian disklabels
11:37<kdean06>BSD disklables on a Mac drive. :S
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11:37<vasi>kdean06, yeah, really weird decision by the OpenBSD team there
11:38<Wolfy>well good luck with that man
11:38<vasi>*especially* the native-endian labels
11:38<vasi>thanks Wolfy :-)
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11:39<vasi>and thanks for the note kdean06, if you happen to have PPC hardware around i may corrall you for testing :-)
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11:40<zeda>my aterms are dying with aterm: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: XDamageAdd and it's probably a libGL error, but I can't find the problem.
11:41<vasi>zeda, you do have that file?
11:41<vasi>oh wait, i gotta remember the lib for XDamageAdd...
11:42<kdean06>vasi, I was working on a PPC port of gNewSense until my systems fried. :S I've not been able to get my hands on a PPC since, but haven't tried too hard. :D
11:42<zeda>actually it's an X thing I think.
11:42<kdean06>Am I alone in thinking that sid is MUCH snappier than Lenny?
11:43<venkatesh>I felt etch a lot snappier than lenny
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11:43<vasi>zeda, that symbol should be in libXdamage
11:43<kdean06>venkatesh, Yeah, I agree too, I suppose Lenny is just slow. :S
11:43<vasi>can you check if you have that?
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11:43<zeda>vasi: when was it that changed the dir structure. I think I messed that up and now have old libs hanging around.
11:43<vasi>lenny feels alright for me, i get the impression firefox is slower
11:44<vasi>or iceweasel, whatever
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11:44<gravity>zeda: 7.0
11:44<vasi>zeda, did you upgrade manually or something, instead of dist-upping?
11:44<gravity>Which was a year and half ago? Maybe two years now? I dunno.
11:44<zeda>so /usr/X11R6 should no longer exist?
11:44<vasi>kdean06, i'm sure the new ubuntu completely-free distro will run on ppc at least :-)
11:45<gravity>zeda: No, it exists, but it's basically just legacy stuff
11:45<gravity>And symlinks
11:45<vasi>kdean06, not that i'm really aware of any non-free software in the PPC releases of debian or ubuntu, there doesn't really exist a lot of binary-only stuff for PPC
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11:46<kdean06>valdyn, Gobuntu does not officially support PPC as far as I know. It has been dropped as an official Ubuntu port.
11:46<zeda>it's there a howto or something on the transition from XFree to
11:46<vasi>yeah, it won't be official or anything
11:47<gravity>zeda: Why do you need a howto?
11:47<gravity>And no
11:47<vasi>but it doesn't mean it won't run
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11:47<vasi>feisty works just fine on my mac, and i've heard ok stuff about whatever the next release is called on ppc
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11:48<zeda>well I probably have a bunch of old junk in X11R6 that I should remove or symlink or move.
11:48<vasi>zeda, how did you "upgrade"?
11:48<gravity>zeda: Are you not running Debian?
11:48<gravity>zeda: Debian handles most of that for you
11:48<vasi>if you used apt, it should have taken care of everything
11:49<vasi>like gravity said :-)
11:49<vasi>hey, anybody know of a good hex editor?
11:49<gravity>It wasn't pleasant getting it to work either
11:49<zeda>I don't remember, and so I probably need to redo the transition.
11:49<Wolfy>amazing editor
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11:50<Wolfy>command line -> hexedit
11:50<vasi>thanks Wolfy!
11:50<gravity>zeda: Are you not running Debian?
11:50<vasi>yeah, i know of hexedit, but it doesn't let you grow or shrink the file you're editing
11:50<zeda>gravity: yes debian unstable.
11:50<gravity>zeda: Then you shouldn't have much in /usr/X11R6 at all
11:51<zeda>gravity: except what I mistakenly left in there, but yes.
11:51<gravity>There'll be a lib with old font stuff maybe and a symlink to /usr/bin
11:51<gravity>If it's in there it's harmless though
11:51<vasi>ooh khexedit does look nice!
11:51<gravity>Your server may look for fonts there, but that's really it
11:51<Wolfy>nothing better than khexedit if youre using kde
11:51<Wolfy>better than anything ive used n windows
11:52<zeda>gravity: and how would I find out the policy for what should be in X11R6?
11:52<vasi>hexfiend is pretty good on OS X, in case you ever find yourself in need
11:52<Wolfy>now if only i could find a serial port communication software
11:52<vasi>open source even :-)
11:52<gravity>zeda: There is no policy.
11:52<gravity>zeda: It's just not used any more
11:52<zeda>gravity: and I have an old libXdamage in X11R6/lib
11:52<gravity>zeda: You want to have the bin symlink there for legacy apps that expect there to be a /usr/X11R6/bin, but that's it
11:52<gravity>zeda: That shouldn't be there.
11:52<gravity>zeda: Did you install outside of apt?
11:54<zeda>gravity: dpkg -S doesn't find it, so it got orphaned somehow.
11:54<gravity>zeda: Just remove it
11:54<zeda>gravity: and the other libs in X11R6/lib, it all goes?
11:54<gravity>zeda: Yes. It sounds like you installed from source at one point
11:55<gravity>zeda: All of that stuff aside from old fonts junk should be in /usr/lib now
11:55<gravity>HFS ftw
11:55<zeda>gravity: well I used to have to build matrox drivers from source and I had opera-static installed which still wanted X11R6, and other things.
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11:56<zeda>gravity: it's been so long I forget.
11:56<gravity>Yeah, just get rid of 'em and re-run ldconfig
11:56<zeda>gravity: problem solved, thanks.
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11:56<gravity>zeda: No problem
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11:58<zeda>now to restart X
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12:02<RNN>someone can help me/
12:02<vasi>RNN, what's the problem?
12:03[~]vastinfest but then again who gives a shit
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12:04<RNN>vasi, copying files via network. My file, ej, zé ramalho - chão de giz when I copy to my notebook the file get the 'new name' Z? Ramalho - Ch?o de giz. How can I copy it normally?
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12:05<vasi>hmm, how are you copying it?
12:05<vasi>and what are you running on both those computers?
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12:07<RNN>vasi my desktop is running debian 4.0 etch and, my notebook, windows xp x86
12:07<RNN>i`m trying to copy via (explorer)
12:07<RNN>accessing \\ (my desktop)
12:07<vasi>samba, then?
12:08<vasi>unfortunately not something i know much about :-(
12:08<vasi>maybe you could try copying via ssh? try putty or filezilla on windows
12:08<vasi>but i'm really just guessing here
12:08<Wolfy>looks like the notebook doesnt recognize the accent characters
12:09<fxiny>try winscp
12:10<fxiny>then use samba
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12:16<Risjh>why does the debian repo have yum? is it not just package manager for fedora/centos? and would work with those distros only..?
12:17<Wolfy>i think its there so you can use rpms
12:17<Wolfy>you can actually use them using alien
12:17<Risjh>you mean, packaging?
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12:17<Wolfy>first you have to convert them to debs
12:17<Wolfy>no its a tool
12:17<Wolfy>aptitude install alien
12:18<Wolfy>check out the man file
12:18<jkmz52>Is there a debian channel for xfce? If so what is it's #?
12:18<Wolfy>if you wanna use other packages
12:18<Risjh>ok, thanks Wolfy
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12:21<@Ganneff>it is there so you can build up chroots for broken distris that use rpm
12:21<@Ganneff>thats helpful if you run xen server or something like that
12:22<RNN>vasi but are ate least 4000 files
12:22<Risjh>thansk Ganneff
12:22<vasi>RNN filezilla can handle that easily
12:23<Wolfy>its also helpful if the maintainers of a software have only rpms and you dont wanna compile
12:23<RNN>hm.. but is it for windows? or linux?
12:23<Wolfy>@RNN windows
12:23<vasi>RNN, it's a windows app which can connect to linux
12:23<@Ganneff>Wolfy: no, you dont need yum or other things for that case. alien is enough
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12:24<Wolfy>@Ganneff, i meant alien
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12:24<Wolfy>sorry for the confusion
12:25<RNN>vasi but the grammar will stay correctly?
12:25<vasi>RNN, i don't know how it will handle the character sets
12:25<vasi>but it's worth a try
12:25<RNN>i believe is pt-br-iso8859-1
12:26<Risjh>when i did apt-get install yum, yum was installed but i cannot use yum, i get error
12:26<RNN>in my files
12:26<Risjh>do i need to add the repos for yum before it to work? i cant even see the help screen with yum --help as of now
12:26<Risjh>can see the man page
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12:27<vasi>Risjh, i don't think it's a good idea to use yum and apt on the same system
12:27<Risjh>vasi, i need it for vserver, i want to install fedora vserver on a debian host
12:27<vasi>ooh, hmm
12:27<vasi>you're going to have to do some crazy setup :-)
12:28<Risjh>oh, why is that?
12:28<vasi>well aren't they going to want to stomp each other?
12:28<Risjh>how so?
12:28<Risjh>you mean yum and apt?
12:28<vasi>ah wait, you're running yum in a chroot then i guess
12:28<Risjh>i am not going to use yum on the host os, so not to worry about that :)
12:29<Risjh>i havent installed the vserver yet, am planning to do so though.. i would need yum for that
12:29<vasi>anyhow, some versions of yum DO refuse to work at all if they have broken configs
12:29<vasi>but i think that's been fixed for awhile now
12:30<Risjh>how do i check which version i have?
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12:32<ech0>Hi all
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12:33<vasi>Risjh, it's all python, i'm sure the version must be human readable somewhere
12:33<vasi>maybe just grep for 'vers'
12:34<ech0>I'd like to know if I can safely disable cron on my debian box and just use anacron. Does Anacron depends on Cron to do his job ?
12:35<vasi>ech0, i believe anacron does need cron
12:35<vasi>cron wakes up anacron every so often
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12:35<ech0>Thanks for the answer vasi
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12:37<Wolfy>dude noflash is on inet6
12:38<vasi>wow, parted is the buggy
12:38<Risjh>what is inte6?
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12:43<jkmz52>where are the kernel build directories kept for make to compile kernel driver modules?
12:44<vasi>jkmz52, i'm not sure i understand your question
12:44<vasi>you mean while you're compiling a kernel?
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12:44<renan>someone can help me with ntfs-3g?
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12:44<vasi>the modules just go the same place as all the other object files, i think
12:44<brand0n>I need some help please.
12:45<vasi>brand0n, just ask :-)
12:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:45<brand0n>I have a problem with apache.
12:45<brand0n>I start it... the port is open...
12:45<brand0n>but its not working at all.
12:45<brand0n>apache 1.3
12:45<jkmz52>no while I am compiling a driver module for my detwork card i make outputs Can't find kernel build modules
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12:46<vasi>brand0n, in what way does it not work?
12:46<vasi>any error messages?
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12:46<brand0n>Firefox, IE, or anything will not view the page.
12:46<brand0n>it starts up fine
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12:47<vasi>have you checked that it's actually running, and hasn't crashed?
12:47<brand0n>its running
12:47<brand0n>ps -A
12:47<brand0n>firefox would say something like
12:47<brand0n>The server at [serverip] is taking too long to respond.
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12:47<i-s-d-n>have you tried netstat -atp ?
12:48<brand0n>uhm no
12:48<brand0n>i will right nwo
12:49<Branden>Sorry, back. Me and Brand0n are referring to the same box.. Here is the Netstat -tap "tcp 0 0 *:www *:* LISTEN 32692/apache"
12:49<vasi>have you tried telneting to the port?
12:50<brand0n>telnet (ip) 80?
12:50<Branden>Its rather pointless for me seeing I'm local.
12:50<Branden>Brand0n, do that please.
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12:50<Branden>Or anyone in that matter. lol
12:50<vasi>well the point is then you do 'GET /index.html'
12:50<vasi>and see what happens...this way you actually get to see the traffic
12:51<vasi>you could just use some random traffic-monitoring software, but i'm lazy and just stick with telnet :-)
12:51<i-s-d-n>I have just installed apache with the default config and it works quite fine on localhost:80
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12:51<brand0n>isnt working
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12:51<Branden>Not even for me...
12:52<vasi>so the port is closed?
12:52<vasi>even locally, so that rules out the firewall
12:52<Branden>Seemingly, on the box.
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12:52<vasi>have you checked your apache logs?
12:53<Branden>I will now.
12:53<Branden>Where would they be located?
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12:54<i-s-d-n>try "apache -V" to find out the error log file location
12:55[~]brand0n g-mp3 // Kotton Mouth Kings - Dogs Life // 4:26 // 128kbps //
12:55<i-s-d-n>it should be something like /var/log/apache/
12:55<Branden>There are some errors.
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12:56<Branden>[Sun Aug 12 09:44:17 2007] [error] [client] File does not exist: /var/www/stats/stats/
12:56<Branden>[Sun Aug 12 09:53:20 2007] [error] [client] Invalid URI in request \xff\xfb\x1f\xff\xfb \xff\xfb\x18\xff\xfb'\xff\xfd\x01\xff\xfb\x03\xff\xfd\x03
12:56[~]fxiny "Tiests" xmms2 in full alsa splendour
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12:58<Branden>Any ideas?
12:59<vasi>that looks quite weird
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12:59<Branden>Yes. I know.
12:59<Branden>I installed something called "ISPConfig"
12:59<Branden>I'm thinking I should remove it.
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13:06<brand0n>ant idea
13:07<Branden>I uninstalled that program, and error still persists.
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13:07<vasi>i dunno, i've never seen an error like that
13:07<brand0n>Just reinstall apache
13:07<brand0n>keep the config just in case
13:08<Branden>Can you back it up on your PC?
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13:11<Branden>Ok. Its been reinstalled.
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13:12<renan>vasi!!! workin now!! =d
13:12<vasi>renan, woo!
13:12<Branden>And. Still don't work..
13:12<renan>woo hoo!! heheh
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13:13[~]baloo wonders if there's a way to make only users currently logged in on the local console able to use sound.
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13:13[~]vasi wonders if he can log into baloo's system remotely and play "karma chameleon" at the highest volume :-P
13:14<Branden>Oh lord. You should see the error.
13:14<vasi>Branden, what now?
13:14<brand0n>whats the error
13:14<vidda>xdcc list
13:14<odachnam>Hi, it seems I can run 32bit binaries on my amd64 lenny box without dchroot. How can that be possible?
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13:14<Branden>/bin/sh: /root/ispconfig/cronolog: No such file or directory
13:14<ech0>You have a lib32 directory odachnam
13:14<valdyn>balthus: you cant do that, but users who can play sound need to be in the audio group
13:14<Branden>I did.
13:15<brand0n>all it is for is resellers
13:15<valdyn>baloo: you cant do that, but users who can play sound need to be in the audio group
13:15<brand0n>we are not resellers
13:15<Branden>I may have to reformat and reinstall. :|
13:15<odachnam>Yes I have
13:15<baloo>vasi: Heh, when I was living in a downtown studio apartment, I forgot to revoke sound permissions on one of my ex-roommates from the apartment before, and he logged in at three on a Monday morning and played "Welcome to the Jungle" at highest volume. My computer is hooked up to the stereo system.
13:15<brand0n>its in the config
13:15<brand0n>ill fix it
13:15<odachnam>But I thought that wasn't enough
13:15[~]brand0n g-mp3 // BloodHound Gang- I`m Jimmy Pop // 3:16 // 128kbps //
13:15<ech0>maybe the linux32 package as well
13:15<Branden>Eh. That error is going to fill my Harrdrive. It keep generateing.
13:16<baloo>vasi: I woke up, and the first thing I did was turn down the volume, remove him from the audio group, force him to log out and kill all his processes...
13:16<Branden>The file is already at a few gigz
13:16<ech0>odachnam the linux32 tools allows 64bit systems with support for 32 bit applications to set the personality to the 32 bit native type.
13:16<Branden>and riseing.
13:16<odachnam>maybe, i'll check that
13:16<baloo>vasi: Then logged into Jabber and called him an asshole. :o)
13:16<Branden>2 Gigz.
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13:17<brand0n>this is big
13:17<brand0n>i think
13:17<ech0>If you install Debian testing now, does anyone know if you have Pidgin or Gaim coming with the Gnome desktop environment ?
13:17<brand0n>ruined you
13:17<Branden>FFS! I'm ganna have to...
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13:17<Branden>Am soooo not in the mood for this BS.
13:18<ech0>nobody ?
13:18<vasi>ech0, you can look it up on
13:19[~]brand0n g-mp3 // Psychostick - I HATE Doing Laundry // 0:27 // 320kbps //
13:19<ech0>Ok i'll check this out
13:19[~]brand0n g-mp3 // Ini Kamoze - Here Comes The Hotstepper // 4:14 // 128kbps //
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13:20<valdyn>brand0n: stop it
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13:39<nojoints>i have a problem when i do the compiz fusion on ubuntu guide, some wont install
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13:39<renan>debian etch x64 or debian etch x86? :(
13:39<nojoints>doh i'm in the wrong =P
13:39<nojoints>the wrong channel~
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13:46<karthik>need help on configuring wireless lan
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14:03<monra>hello. Am root and want to log out a user so that I can delete him how can i do this?
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14:05<brand0n>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
14:06<brand0n>Anyone care to help
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14:06<Branden>I'll google.
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14:09[~]renan is away - Auto-away, motivo: Inativo a mais de 30 minutos. - (+l/+p) EqL!
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14:11<brand0n>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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14:13[~]Thhunder ist jetzt AWAY |grund: futt0riz0rn - essen halt|
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14:13<Branden>:| Nothing on google.
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14:15<panagos>how can i view .deb packages on windows?
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14:19<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
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14:20<[gloom]>someone experiencing kSynaptics problem when trying to turn off the touchpad under sid? under other versions? Any known solution?
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14:26<Nu11>Anyone have experience installing the PPC distribution on a G5?
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14:29<Nu11>I am installing off of DVD's, and I can get it to boot, but it can't detect the DVD.
14:32<c01100011> is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
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14:34<zulu>hi there, I'm tryin to run svn+ssh on my debian. svn just work fine (importing co ...) but running svn+ssh://myhost/respos tells: svn: No repository found in 'svn+ssh://meteor/cv'
14:34<zulu>does someone already configured svn+ssh, I'm reading svn docs for hours...
14:35<zulu>what I don't understand is how the server know the right command to invoke the svnserve process with the right path to repository...
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14:35<zulu>I tryied to modify the /etc/subversion/config with a command directive (on server and client machine) nothing matters :(
14:36<Myon>zulu: there's no svnserve with svn+ssh
14:37<Myon>it just calls svn on the remove host
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14:38<zulu>yes I know
14:38<zulu>but I'm probably wrong with the path to my repos
14:38<zulu>when ssh spawn the svnserve process, I dont understand how does it know about repos path
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14:39<zulu>ok I found my mistake :), svnserve process does not have any id of the repository path.... I have to make an absolute path with my client :)
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14:47<Branden>What besides openssh-server is needed for external people to SSH me?
14:47<Nu11>I'm trying to install debian on a Power Mac G5. I can boot from the DVD, but then the installation cannot detect the DVD drive.
14:47<Nu11>dmesg has the following:
14:47<kb3ien>I am invoking X for /etc/rc. and X11 wants to write its lock files to the root dir. is there a way to move .Xauthority to /var/ ?
14:47<Nu11>hda: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
14:47<Nu11>hda: Enabling Ultra DMA 2
14:47<Nu11>hda: ATAPI 6X DVD-ROM CD-R-RW drive, 2048kB cache, UDMA(330
14:48<Nu11>But I don't have any /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or anything like that.
14:48<Nu11>Anyone have any thoughts?
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14:54<|aycko|>Nu11: are u sure u dont have hda?
14:55<|aycko|>Nu11: that would be your first hd
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14:57<Branden>If I was to hook up a second harddrive, how would Debian act towards it?
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14:58<|aycko|>Branden: that would be hdb
14:58<Branden>How would I access it?
14:58<|aycko|>u have to mount it...
14:58<|aycko|>every partition is numbered
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14:59<|aycko|>considering u have like 2 partitions on your first hd, that would mean u have hda0 and hda1
14:59<Branden>How would I mount it, and when I did, where would it show up?
14:59<|aycko|>u can mount each of them
14:59<|aycko|>well u can mount it anywhere u like
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15:00<|aycko|>man mount
15:00<Branden>So, it could me like /hd2 ?
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15:00<|aycko|>yeah whatever
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15:00<Branden>Ok. Thank you. I'll probably do that another day. lolz I don't want to have to go take the CD drive out right now.
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15:14<blal>Hey, all. So, what ever happened to gpdf?
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15:16<blal>Once I deduced that your question was in response to my question, I began the investigation. The installation should complete shortly.
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15:18<vroom>blal, i believe that role is filled by evince now. it wants to be like preview on mac os x instead of just pdf files.
15:18<lvmc>how i can remove packages from gnome? i want remove hplib, xsane etc...
15:19<lvmc>if i remove them gnome package will be removed
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15:20<blal>vroom : Excllent. Much better. Thanks for your help. I'm reading my PDF now.
15:21<blal>lvmc : Sorry, I just walked in. You trying to uninstall a package from Debian?
15:23<blal>K. Thought I'd reach for low-hanging fruit.
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15:27<Nu11>ls -l of /dev/h* shows /dev/hvc0 through /dev/hvc7. No /dev/hda? listed.
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15:39<vroom>in lenny i had a gstreamer error with mp3 playback. i remove supertux and it works fine..
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15:44<peterS>vroom: hmmm, hvc is listed as "IBM iSeries/pSeries virtual console". are you on powerpc?
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15:52<vroom>peterS, no x86
15:52<peterS>vroom: that's odd then
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15:53<vroom>peterS, i agree. i just tested again. installing supertux gives the error. removing fixes.
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15:54<peterS>Nu11: uh, I meant that last line for you. are you on powerpc? the hvc devices are supposed to be for a console on large PowerPC RS/6000s, apparently
15:54<Tydor>i can't partition my hd...i want install the debia in free space (20gb) of my partition ntfs of windows, have any way?
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15:56<john>hey everybody
15:56<john>I just dist-upgraded to experimental
15:56<john>just trying out my shiny new konversation....
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15:57<john>people keep saying unstable breaks all the time
15:57<john>it doesnt break for me
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16:03<Tydor>any one can help me?
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16:03<streuner>unless you don't ask your question
16:04<streuner>oh, sorry, scrolled up :-)
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16:05<peterS>Tydor: debian-installer includes options for resizing existing partitions. this does not work for ntfs created by very recent versions of windows (Windows XP, I believe), though
16:05<streuner>Tydor: 20 Gigs should be enough for installing Debian
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16:05<formorer>peterS: it tested xp 3 weeks ago, worked like a charm
16:05<streuner>Tydor: partion magic is another solution or just listen to formorer
16:05<Tydor>§streuner§ don't work here =(
16:05<peterS>formorer: oh, ok. I am clearly behind the times. some time ago this was disabled in ntfsprogs because it wasn't safe
16:06<Tydor>i teste, gparted, partition magic, swissknife
16:06<formorer>peterS: there was a long time RC bug against it, but this was fixed some time before the etch release
16:06<Tydor>i can't lost my files =(
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16:07<streuner>Tydor: backup the data first
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16:07<formorer>Tydor: any solution don't free you from making backups
16:08<Tydor>thanks...i will..but i need a lot dvds xD 120gb =(
16:08<streuner>well, all _very_ important data, eh? ;-)
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16:08<ben_goodger>I remember when a jaz drive was bigger than a hard disk
16:09<streuner>just backup the important data
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16:09<vroom>i found an iomega drive in a dusty box the other day
16:09<peterS>renan: turn that off please
16:09<streuner>!tell renan about away
16:09<Tydor>good i will =) thx again
16:09<Tydor>1 more question...debian compensates the effort?
16:10<streuner>most of us just run Debian, doesn't that answer your question? ;-)
16:10<vroom>the women you get after installing debian makes it all worthwhile.
16:10<Tydor>will to also learn linux... but much fear
16:11<Tydor>§vroom§ O.O very womens?
16:12<vroom>Tydor, more in theory than practice. you'll get as many women with linux as you will with discordianism.
16:13<ben_goodger>oh, here's a doozy
16:13<ben_goodger>my microsoft keyboard works better out of box on debian than on windows
16:13<Tydor>good... i don't need to marry any more
16:13<ben_goodger>you didn't need to marry anyway
16:13<ben_goodger>marriage is a terrible institution
16:14<Tydor>really? you are married?
16:15<ben_goodger>no, I'm underage
16:15<ben_goodger>among other things
16:15<ben_goodger>but I still don't believe in marriage, it forces you into a lifetime relationship with someone you're going to love for about five years
16:16<ben_goodger>and then you go through a tedious and expensive divorce
16:16<aricz>tsk tsk
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16:16<aricz>how do you know?
16:16<peterS>'cause he's old and wise for his 14 years
16:16<aricz>people talking about things they've never experienced.. yuuuummie
16:17<ben_goodger>statistics and my parents
16:17<vroom>the subject is complex. but marriage to someone you can get along well with is preferable to a lifetime of painful dating.
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16:17<ben_goodger>I'm 17, thank you
16:17<Nu11>PeterS: Yes. Power Mac G5.
16:18<ben_goodger>oh, that means I'm not underage
16:18[~]Nu11 has been married 14 years now.
16:18<vroom>ben_goodger, i think it means you are an old maid.
16:18<ben_goodger>I will also shortly be able to drive a car without lessons or qualification
16:18<Tydor>but i need marry, xD she is pure xD just after marry she said
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16:18<grummund_>somehow i managed to disable iptables kernel logging from going to syslog (it's still listed with dmesg), anyone any idea how i did this pls? ;-p
16:18<peterS>Nu11: yeah so - I don't know what kind of disk interfaces those things have - do you know what kind of ATA chipset it has? 'lspci | grep IDE' will tell
16:19<Nu11>Broadcom K2 SATA
16:19<peterS>Nu11: so it'll show up as /dev/sda, not /dev/hda
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16:19<Nu11>no /dev/sda either.
16:19<Nu11>sndstat, stderr, stin, stout
16:20<peterS>odd, udev should have taken care of that much
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16:21<Nu11>any thoughts on what I should try next?
16:22<Nu11>Think I might have better like with the net instalL?
16:22<Nu11>man. I can't type today
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16:25<kb3ien>looking for a driver for this touchscreen: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0430:0501 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
16:25<peterS>Nu11: hmmm, hit alt-f2 and say 'lsmod | grep sata'. the sata_svw module should be loaded
16:27<peterS>Nu11: if it isn't, that explains your problem. if it is, I don't know why sda wouldn't be created
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16:27<peterS>Nu11: also, the DVD and the netinst CD should have exactly the same installer, so I suspect that won't make a difference
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16:33<bootc>hi all
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16:33<bootc>i'm having trouble with ip6tables and conntrack on etch, is this expected?
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17:05<kb3ien>whats needed to install unionfs on debian?
17:05<Nu11>no sata_svw listed.
17:05<Nu11>use modprobe to load it?
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17:08<witte>kb3ien: there are some results when doing apt-cache search unionfs
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17:10<witte>!tell renan -about away
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17:12<Nu11>modprobe sata_svw -> "FATAL: Module sata_svw not found."
17:12<kb3ien>witte: found it. i am hoping to in effect make a read only dir look like an RW dir. any pointers for unionfs syntax?
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17:13<witte>kb3ien: nope, I did not know what unionfs is/was, and did a apt-cache search on it :-), the results are about allt that i know of it :-)
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17:16<bootc>what's an easy way to have a script run just after all the network interfaces are up?
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17:18<|aycko|>bootc: just write your script and place it in your startup after the network interfaces
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17:18<bootc>as in write an init script for it?
17:18<|aycko|>bootc: yeah exactly
17:19<|aycko|>bootc: or do u want to alway run it?
17:19<peterS>bootc: you can use 'up ' lines in /etc/network/interfaces if you want. see 'man interfaces' for details on the 'up' command
17:19<witte>bootc you could place it in /etc/init.d/ and with update-rc.d asign it a number a bit larger than teh networking file (S40 in /etc/rcS.d)
17:19<bootc>|aycko|: it's to set up my ip6tables rules
17:19<bootc>I was thinking of using 'up' on lo but not sure if that will work
17:19<peterS>bootc: yeah I'd do it in the interfaces file then probably. 'up' means run such-and-such command after a given interface comes up
17:19<bootc>I'll try it
17:20<|aycko|>bootc: up is even better for that i guess
17:20<peterS>bootc: you can't know what order the interfaces will come up, if that matters
17:20<bootc>that's the problem
17:20<bootc>does ip6tables complain if eth0 isn't up when it's referenced?
17:20<peterS>of course, you could run the same script for multiple interfaces, if it fails for all-but-one it still works (:
17:21<bootc>but are interfaces brought up in parallel? because that would screw it up
17:21<|aycko|>bootc: then stick to init.d
17:21<bootc>hmm :-/ I guess
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17:22<bootc>I don't think it can matter actually, looks like I can do it before the interfaces are up
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17:24<|aycko|>what an good irc app?
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17:24<|aycko|>i dislike kvirc
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17:26<witte>|aycko|: I recently switched from bitchx to rcirc (emacs irc client)
17:27<|aycko|>emacs is neat...
17:27<witte>|aycko|: I think you need emacs 22 for it to run without installing it seperately
17:28<ben_goodger>is there anyone here who would develop an unmaintained gimp plugin and package it for debian if asked nicely?
17:29<peterS>|aycko|: most of the #debian regulars use irssi
17:29<peterS>|aycko|: it is the best text-based client we know of, which doesn't require a GUI or emacs or anything
17:30<peterS>I hadn't heard of rcirc, I thought all the emacs people used erc, except a small minority using zenirc
17:31<|aycko|>peterS: is it hard to learn?
17:31<peterS>irssi? not really, if you know about classic IRC commands and how the network works in general
17:31<peterS>of course it has a lot of features that its logical predecessors (ircII, bitchx) did not have, so if you want to use those, you have to learn them
17:31<|aycko|>peterS: the main reason why i disliked bitchx was the "window" handling
17:32<|aycko|>i needed to know which channel was where
17:32<peterS>I don't know bx window handling. irssi window handling is a bit quirky, you might like it or you might not
17:32<witte>peterS: someone here adviced it to me (i believe it was twb), and it does what it must for me (and emacs is virtually always open on my pc)
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17:32<peterS>by default, each channel is opened in a separate 'window', and you can switch using Alt-1 Alt-2 etc.
17:33<peterS>Alt-1 through Alt-0 for the first ten, Alt-q Alt-w Alt-e etc. for the next 9
17:33<|aycko|>peterS: thats quite neat...
17:33<|aycko|>i had to tye like /window 1 1
17:33<|aycko|>or something like that
17:33<|aycko|>and i hated it
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17:33<peterS>also, I run it in 3 panes, meaning, my window is divided by 2 horizontal lines into 3 regions, and windows are each assigned a region where they show up when I switch to them
17:34<peterS>so if I hit Alt-9 I get a particular channel in my middle region, which is active so that's where my typing will go, but this channel is still visible in the bottom region
17:34<|aycko|>peterS: so most of the guys here use it?
17:34<peterS>if you need to switch to more windows than 19, you can do ctrl-n for next, ctrl-p for previous, or of course /win 24
17:35<peterS>I don't know, it seems most of the regulars do
17:35<|aycko|>nah i have like 4-5
17:35<peterS>I have windows assigned up to 22, any private messages end up above that, so I do need to switch to things > 19 sometimes
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17:36<peterS>easiest way to get to the "top" window if you have that many: Alt-1 ctrl-p
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17:36<aycko>looks quite reasonable to me
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17:36<peterS>irssi is also highly customizable using configuration files, and highly scriptable using perl, so that's nice too
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17:37<peterS>(all decent irc clients have scripting capabilities, but I like the fact that this is perl-based)
17:37<aycko>;) unix army chain-saw
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17:38<witte>aycko: lol :-)
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17:40<aycko>i wonder, is there an one-fits-it-all windows/unix administration tool?
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17:41<peterS>aycko: it's called a sysadmin. it's rather expensive software, you can buy a license for perhaps $80,000 per year, plus benefits
17:41<aycko>like i need to type an account and it is created on different windows unix machines etc... with postfix email n stuff
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17:42<aycko>peterS: just asking, cuz my boss asked me to write something like that for our company
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17:42<peterS>ah, well, lots of people have written half-baked frameworks for that sort of thing, I don't know of any that are actually mature and useful
17:42<peterS>I mean, it's a problem everyone seems to want to solve, but they only need to solve their own little subsets of it
17:42<aycko>damn, i guess i will be one more in the hall of blame
17:43<peterS>I wrote my own account creation framework way back in the day. our needs were a bit complex. my software was a hairy ball of perl but by golly it worked. it didn't create accounts directly on windows, it generated a batch file (:
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17:44<aycko>the problem is not really the creation of accounts its more the rights management
17:44<peterS>since the batch file ended up on a samba share, it wasn't hard to just run it manually from the domain controller
17:45<peterS>(this was for generating a couple hundred accounts at a time, not really a single account thing)
17:45<aycko>i figured out that would be a real pain in the ass.
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17:45<aycko>peterS: that saved you quite some time ;)
17:46<peterS>yeah. this is how we migrated from having all our students log in on the _same account_ all the time, to giving out individual accounts when a class session started.
17:46<peterS>and what's more, it ran on aix, which is not so easy or clean or nice as linux
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17:47<aycko>beeing the fist to do the job has benefits, but is also hard
17:48<peterS>the other thing the script would generate is a postscript file which you'd send to the nearest laser printer, then cut apart with a paper cutter and hand out little wallet-sized rectangles containing usernames and passwords
17:48<simonrvn>peterS: neat
17:48<peterS>this is where reading adobe's postscript books way back in the day finally paid off
17:48<aycko>i learned so much since i starded with debian... had no unix guru friends or something
17:49<simonrvn>(yes i'm here too, you can't get away from me bwahahaha! :P)
17:49<peterS>the postscript generator was so intelligent, it would even condense your font a bit on the "real name" field to make it fit into the wallet-sized dimensions, if you had a really long name like our Indian students always did
17:49<peterS>(this was actually implemented in postscript, not in the generator)
17:50<alex__>goodnight debian my love.
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17:51<aycko>peterS: so looking back at your administration days, what would be the best way to tackle the problem?
17:51<aycko>some kind of script bundle?
17:51<peterS>aycko: ad hoc. my script used a flexible approach of calling sub-scripts in a directory, alphabetically by name, and each sub-script did one particular task
17:51<peterS>by ad hoc I mean just write whatever is needed
17:52<aycko>with a gui and some database to save the current state?
17:52<peterS>come to think of it, now that I recall, my hairy mess was mostly Bourne shell, only a bit of Perl
17:52<peterS>I think I read the state directly off the system, but a database would probably have been better
17:53<aycko>hmmm... did you do the stuff from one server or distributed?
17:53<peterS>or maybe I saved a state file as a flat file with a custom text-based format, something easy to print and parse. that's just as good as a database, really, if you don't already have a dbms up and running.
17:53<peterS>I ran everything on the NIS server (we were using NIS), generating a batch file to be run on the Windows NT domain controller.
17:54<peterS>NIS, in case you're too new to remember it, was a distributed account system for unix. still available in debian, but not used all that much anymore
17:54<peterS>(people tend to use LDAP nowadays for the same purposes)
17:54<aycko>thats way before my time i guess
17:54<peterS>think of NIS as a very primitive directory server
17:55<peterS>though it did support master and slave servers (the master is read-write, the slaves are read-only, and clients contact whoever seems to be closest on the network)
17:55<aycko>yeah i guess i need to use ldap
17:56<aycko>i am just a bit scared that i will need to mantain this software alone.
17:56<peterS>clients gauge "whoever seems to be closest" by broadcasting a ping and seeing who pongs first. thus they don't need any configuration other than which NIS domain name to ask for
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17:57<peterS>well. after I left that job, they migrated away from using Unix at all, so nowadays they create accounts using some Visual Basic thing that my successor wrote. from what I've seen, it works very well, but it never would have supported our complex requirements back when we had Unix accounts to worry about as well
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17:57<peterS>I guess that solved the problem of who would maintain my hairy mess (:
17:57<aycko>hmmmm.. people tend to use the easy way.
17:57<kb3ien>is runlevel set anywhere other than /etc/inittab and .real ?
17:58<peterS>perhaps the VB app is also a hairy mess, I don't really know
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17:58<aycko>peterS: depends on teh security issue
17:58<peterS>kb3ien: you can go to a new runlevel with 'telinit N' for any N from 0 to 6. or you can boot a particular runlevel by specifying it as a kernel command line parameter (see /boot/grub/menu.lst)
17:59<kb3ien>my system starts into X but the files say : id:2:initdefault:
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17:59<witte>kb3ien: that is normal, debian has an other arrangement than eg red hat
17:59<peterS>kb3ien: in Debian, runlevels 2 3 4 5 are identical. we don't have a distinction of X vs. non-X, network vs. non-network. if you wish to customize this, you can do so. (see /etc/rc2.d/* and friends)
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17:59<peterS>kb3ien: our philosophy is that runlevels are for the local admin to customize, not for us to specify. so 2 through 5 are all available to customize
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18:00<witte>peterS: although it would be interesting to have a lets say 'non X' version available
18:01<peterS>witte: that's a simple matter of 'mv /etc/rc3.d/S99xdm /etc/rc3.d/K01xdm' really
18:01<witte>peterS: that is, without extra configurations...
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18:01<witte>peterS: I know that now, but it took me some time to find that out
18:01<peterS>and what's the need for it anyway? if you want to stop X, you can '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' any time
18:01<peterS>if X refuses to start because of configuration problems, xdm gives up after a few tries and you're fine anyway
18:01<witte>well, it was mostly a problem when I stopped using red hat/fedora and moved to debian
18:02<peterS>(this was not true in 1997, I had a devil of a time booting a machine with a bad X config once ... but it's true today)
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18:04<aycko>i think its quite hard to gasp the whole concept behind the current distros
18:04<aycko>my problem was that there is so much "common knowledge" everybody expects, that you don't know where to start reading
18:05<witte>aycko: for me you shouldn't look at it as distros but as distro families
18:05<peterS>yeah, I don't have perspective on that as I've been continually absorbing unix-foo since 1993
18:05<peterS>so each new thing that the linux distros come out with, I don't have much trouble figuring out
18:05<witte>aycko: you have to know which group you are in and search for that
18:05<aycko>peterS: thats exactly my point
18:06<Nu11>PeterS: Sorry, family has been keeping me busy.
18:06<Nu11>How do I go about loading that sata_svw module?
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18:06<peterS>Nu11: well I wonder why it didn't load already. try 'modinfo sata_svw' to see if it is even available
18:07<lolcats>where are the xscreensaver screensavers?
18:07<peterS>lolcats: /usr/lib/xscreensaver
18:07<lolcats>peterS, what apt package
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18:07<peterS>lolcats: oh, xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl
18:07<peterS>the latter for OpenGL-based ones
18:08<peterS>you generally want both
18:08<kb3ien>runlevel of 1 should not run X?
18:09<Nu11>"module not found"
18:09<peterS>kb3ien: runlevel 1 is single-user mode and doesn't run a lot of stuff
18:09<Nu11>modinfo not found
18:09<peterS>lolcats: I have this knowledge fresh in mind as I was actually hacking on the 'glhanoi' screen saver mode just today
18:09<lolcats>peterS, im on an old neomagic av256. it has more video memory than the macine has on board
18:09<simonrvn>Nu11: ^^^
18:10<Nu11>cd /
18:10<Nu11>find . -name modinfo
18:10<lolcats>uugh... to give uou guys an idea of this machine: /dev/hda1 3921404 2316936 1405264 63% /
18:10<peterS>Nu11: oh, I didn't remember whether modinfo was included in debian-installer. well, try 'modprobe sata_svw' then
18:10<lolcats>null: which modinfo
18:10<simonrvn>Nu11: module-init-tools installed?
18:10<peterS>simonrvn: he's in d-i
18:10<simonrvn>oh, nm
18:10<peterS>simonrvn: this is on a mac g5 btw, maybe you know something about those
18:11<peterS>its SATA controller is a Broadcom thing that uses the Serverworks (sata_svw) driver
18:11<peterS>and d-i for some reason can't find it
18:11<Nu11>modinfo sata_svw: module not found
18:11<peterS>Nu11: well that explains why d-i didn't already load it. hmmmm.
18:12<simonrvn>you using the pp64 install?
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18:12[~]peterS pops in his etch rc1 powerpc netinst CD to investigate the kernel packages
18:12<simonrvn> project
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18:15<peterS>Nu11: it looks like the 'sata-modules' udeb package contains what you need. so try ... hmmm ... udpkg -i /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-powerpc-2.6/sata-modules-*.udeb
18:15<peterS>where udpkg is the tiny dpkg-like thing in debian-installer, and that file should be on your mounted DVD
18:15<peterS>of course, my etch rc1 CD is a bit outdated, rc1 contained a 2.6.17 kernel rather than 2.6.18, so I hope nothing changed
18:16<peterS>(I don't think I have anything more recent for powerpc)
18:16<Nu11>but I can't mount my DVD. that's the problem.
18:16<simonrvn>um, so how did d-i launch?
18:17<peterS>Nu11: oh, I thought you were already far enough in the installer for the CD to have been detected and mounted
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18:17<simonrvn>how did you get the installer going? BTW, you might want to see the debian-powerpc archives for this
18:18<witte>Nu11: I was not even aware that there were sata dvd stations?
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18:18<peterS>witte: his DVD drive is regular ATA, but his hard disk is SATA
18:18<peterS>witte: I thought he had access to the DVD drive already, it seems not
18:18<witte>ok, but his dvd should be recognisend
18:18<kb3ien>mount -t unionfs is failing.
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18:19<peterS>witte: it was seen by the kernel boot log (he pastebin'd that earlier), so I dunno
18:19[~]peterS has to go - good luck, Nu11
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18:19<witte>Nu11: can you mount the dvd
18:20<witte>Nu11: can you open a terminal in the installer
18:22<simonrvn>Nu11: this might help: -- IIRC that machine is also a ppc64, the one mentioned in the email/article
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18:23<simonrvn>Nu11: hmm, don't think it'll help actually
18:23<Nu11>Yeah, I have vt2 open. That's where I've been doing all this stuff.
18:23<ranix>the framebuffer kicks ass
18:24<Nu11>The core problem is that the installer can't find my cd/dvd
18:24<ranix>and takes names
18:24<simonrvn>Nu11: have network running?
18:24<simonrvn>Nu11: can you start up the openssh-server in d-i?
18:24<witte>Nu11: you can mkdir something
18:24<simonrvn>scp the right udebs you need to it
18:25<Nu11>yes. I can mkdir
18:25<peterS>ranix: buffer the vampire slayer?
18:25<witte>Nu11: and try to mount /dev/hda on htat dir
18:25<Nu11>there is no /dev/hda
18:25<ranix>peterS: buffer the eyestrain saviour
18:26<ranix>I enjoy spending all day without seeing X
18:26<ranix>not that I dislike X particularly
18:26<witte>Nu11: if it is recognised at boot, there should be a device in /dev
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18:27<Nu11>ls /dev/hd*
18:27<Nu11>no file or directory
18:27<Nu11>That's why this is so wierd. dmesg shows that it recognized something, but I don't have anything. :(
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18:28<Nu11>I have a network connection available, and it does have a network card. I haven't gotten that far in the installer though.
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18:31<Nu11>dmesg | grep hda
18:31<Nu11>hda: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
18:31<Nu11>hda: Enabling Ultra DMA 2
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18:31<Nu11>hda: ATAPI 6X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
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18:33<Nu11>I have all 4 DVD's burned
18:33[~]Nu11 loves his fat pipe
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18:39<simonrvn>Nu11: how phat is your phat/fat pipe?
18:40<Nu11>Althoug, I rarely get anything over 2 in real life
18:40<Nu11>I'm just saying that downloading 183MB didn't bother me. ;D
18:40<Nu11>Anyway, looks like I'm done with this for a while. Time to take the kids outside and hose them down or something
18:41<Nu11>HOpe you don't mind if I lurk though.
18:41<ranix>last month I downloaded 143.96gb
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18:43<simonrvn>Nu11: have fun
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19:08<kb3ien>what is needed to bring kernel up to current?
19:08<kb3ien>via apt-get
19:09<witte>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.<variable>
19:09<witte>with variable depending on your architecture and your debian version
19:09<witte>apt-cache search linux-image for possibilities
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19:14<stephan>debian! it just works. :)
19:14<stephan>love you
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19:56<alessandro>Hi all i'm sorry for my english i'm a new debian user
19:56<stephan>me too
19:57<stephan>maybe you come to freenode more interaction
19:58<alessandro>i have an's possible use pinnacle pctv hybrid pro 31oi with debian?
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20:09<gsimmons>Should alessandro come back, his/her card is supported by the saa7134 driver <>.
20:09<stephan>gsimmons, i will tell him
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20:15<ranix>I just found links2 -g and fbi
20:15<ranix>is there anything else awesome you can do with the framebuffer?
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20:19<baloo>ranix: Play lincity
20:20<hazard2>do the stock debian kernels still support the old APM? (at least in enough of a capacity to shut down?)
20:20<hazard2>(and if so, what do I do?)
20:21<hazard2>I can't seem to find anything.
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20:52<networkgamer>whats the command to move files in a directory to a new directory?
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20:54<networkgamer>is there an arguement to move all files to a folder instead of moving a folder to a folder?
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20:55<oxymor00n>ehm. cd to the folder and do mv * destination
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21:23<Profetas_Do_PHP>sorry my english, I am from brazil. How make unistall programmns .sh ?
21:24<oxymor00n>i do not understand, if you installed them via apt-get just apt-get remove them
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21:26<Profetas_Do_PHP>no no no, install via script .sh
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21:26<oxymor00n>as root?
21:28<oxymor00n>hope for an uninstall script. if nothing tracks what the hell is going on nothing knows
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21:31<Profetas_Do_PHP>I know that exists #debian-br for the Brazilians, more I prefer here therefore the support is ampler and I trainings my English =D
21:32<Profetas_Do_PHP>ok, go try
21:32<oxymor00n>yeah i'm not a native speaker as well
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21:34<Profetas_Do_PHP>use debian the little time, liking it, left mine windows and using it
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21:36<oxymor00n>yeah debian rocks, just don't install stuff as root if you do not know what you are doing
21:38<networkgamer>root /=/ bad
21:38<Profetas_Do_PHP>hehehehe I know
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21:38<networkgamer>never do rm -rf / as root
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21:40<oxymor00n>never do anything as root when you don't have a clue what it does
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21:40<Profetas_Do_PHP>I made this
21:41<networkgamer>well cya
21:41<networkgamer>i have more stuff to do
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21:41<Profetas_Do_PHP>I had that to reinstall everything of new
21:47<mehul>I've got a ThinkPad T60p, running Etch, with GNOME desktop environment. What the best way to get wireless to work ? I need the Atheros drivers (madwifi)
21:50<dli>mehul, I think you need ipw3945 or the iwl3945 (still under development)
21:50<dli>!tell mehul about ipw3945
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21:50<Profetas_Do_PHP>use laptop sony vaio that it posses driver Intel and... wifi function good
21:51<chealer>dli: why? Atheros != Intel
21:52<dli>chealer, oh, didn't realize thinkpad uses more than ipw
21:52<oxymor00n>well he or she sad madwifi
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21:56<mehul>dli: I don't have Intel wireless. The chips used on my wireless are Atheros and I need madwifi for it.
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21:58<mehul>What I'd like to know is if there is some easy way to configure things for wireless (with roaming) using a GUI or something ?
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22:17<ice-11>hi all. when I boot into other kernels the symbolic link /usr/src/linux doesn't update to the currently running kernel. any ideas why?
22:17<Atlantiz>hey what's the default user name and password for cups?
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22:18<dli>Atlantiz, I use root passwd on localhost:631, I think you can add something in cupsd.conf
22:19<Atlantiz>thanks mate
22:19<Atlantiz>it worked
22:19<Atlantiz>yea that worked like a charm
22:19<Atlantiz>i'm in a pinch atm
22:20<dli>Atlantiz, I guess it's better to setup a usergroup, rather than root, but I'm just too lazy
22:20<Atlantiz>good idea mate
22:20<Atlantiz>when i get the chance i'll do it
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22:21<ice-11>indeed. just make a cups user.
22:21<ice-11>like apache does
22:21<Atlantiz>it printed like charm
22:21<Atlantiz>*like a charm
22:21<ice-11>good giid
22:21<Atlantiz>g'day i gotta run
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22:23<ingwar>на русском тут общаются?
22:25<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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22:33<Brudus>Anyone know how I can play a DVD that has been encrypted. I'm not trying to rip it or anything. Just watch it.
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22:34<chealer>Brudus: the same way you play a normal DVD, as long as you have libdvdcss
22:35<Brudus>yeah. I tried installing that but the directions weren't very clear. You know a website that spells it out a little better.
22:37<gsimmons>Brudus: Did you follow the instructions at <>?
22:38<Brudus>Should it be in my package list?
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22:42<issue9ethan>heh "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu"
22:43<issue9ethan>would the latest debian release be able to run on a 200mhz p1?
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22:44<gsimmons>Brudus: You'll need to use an third-party (unofficial) repository in order to install your required 'libdvdcss' package. This can be done by amending your sources.list as directed in the instructions.
22:44<Brudus>I found this and i'm going to try it
22:45<dli>issue9ethan, I guess speed is not the issue, bottleneck could be either ram or hard drive
22:46<issue9ethan>hard drive and ram are big enough 98mb of ram and a 4gb hd
22:46<issue9ethan>the kernal just panics
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22:46<gsimmons>issue9ethan: The absolute minimum you'll need (wrt CPU) is a 486.
22:46<martyn>hello, in my laptop is etch, when i run xmms the progress bar run, but the music not sound. i va a intel audio 82801G.. some people to help me..
22:46<issue9ethan>i think it has to do with the weird compaq ide controller
22:46<dli>issue9ethan, from debian stable? (etch now)
22:46<Brudus>okay. now i need to wait till i get my next netflix dvd in to see if it works
22:46<dli>issue9ethan, panic on CD or hdd?
22:47<issue9ethan>can't remember
22:47<issue9ethan>i think the controller in general
22:48<dli>martyn, do you have sound in other ways? like " aplay /dev/urandom"
22:48<dli>!tell martyn about alsa checklist
22:48<chealer>issue9ethan: it "should", in general
22:49<martyn>dli, alsa checklist ?
22:49<martyn>dli, i run alsacon.. but no sound in the speakers.
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