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01:08<sHoRtWaVe>Anyone familiar with FATX support under 2.6 kernel. More particually, running a 2.6 Kernel under XBOX
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01:44<klys>goedecke: 'lo
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01:54<harpal>I have USB keyboard, after some time without working on PC, my keyboard doesnt work, I have unplug my USB and plugged again but still its not running. Whats problem there?
01:54<klys>modprobe usbhid
01:54<klys>dmesg | tail
01:54<harpal>in my dmesg I got message PM: Adding info for usb:1-1:1.1PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.4_ep82
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01:55<klys>cat /sys/bus/usb/1.1/*
01:55<klys>see "USB keyboard" ?
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01:57<harpal>klys: I have tried that modprobe usbhid than its working. Than whats problem?
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01:58<harpal>I dont have that /sys/bud/usb. I have /sys/bus/usb/ than devices and drivers
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01:59<jherrera|home>does anyone know if there are coming good drivers for this card:
01:59<jherrera|home>video[1106:3343 @ VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 Host Bridge]
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01:59<jherrera|home>I already looked viaarena, repositories, google, etc ..., but I couldn't get my card working, viaarena documentation is poor and inaccurate
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02:33<Branden>I'm haveing a small problem, I'm getting a error when compileing something. can't compile a simple app with mysql_connnect in it.
02:33<Branden>I installed MySQL-Client
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02:35<gsimmons_>Branden: Have you installed 'libmysqlclient15-dev'? (or 'libmysql++-dev' if C++ bindings are needed)
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02:36<Branden>Oh no, I knew I was forgetting something.
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02:52<Branden>Can someone help me? I'm getting this error:
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02:55<jm_>you can't run make install as user and expect that it will be able to write to /
02:56<jm_>at least on properly configured system
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02:57<acer>hi all
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02:58<acer>Need some help in buying a motherboard for websever... I'd like to use the RAID feature on the mothboard.. I just don't know which one will support debian..
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03:00<acer>can anyone recommend whcich motherboard I should use?
03:01<streuner_>try #hardware o FN (
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03:02<KaiSVK>hi all
03:03<streuner_>acer: subsribe to debian-isp ML
03:03<KaiSVK>I have trivial problem, please how do I change the fisrt day of the week in GNOME from sun to monday ?
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03:04<nominal>hey guys..i'm having a few problems. i've just finished installing debian 4.0 w/ 2.6.18-4-686 on a proliant 7000 quad xeon. scsi controller is a smart array 3100es w/ 64mb cache, formatted w/ reiser, raid 5 w/ spare...
03:04<acer>thanks streuner_, but actually I'm not an ISP, it's just a small webserver we use internally at my office.. :)
03:04<nominal>some of the issues are that disk admin crashes on startup, system monitor shows no drive activity, it won't read from or let me eject the samsung ide cdrw at times, and log viewer shows nothing at all (do I need to start or install something?), oh and file browser search doesn't seem to work..
03:04<nominal>anyone have a clue on how to get the old hardware working?
03:04<streuner_>acer: some people asking questions without using Debian here...
03:05<nominal>i've been using various linux distros for about a week now, so've no clue what's really going on, or how to do much of anything...but debian is f'in great.. i'm amazed so far
03:05<acer>streuner_: I don't think I get what you mean..
03:05<streuner_>acer: You don't need to be an ISP in order to ask (debian-isp ML)
03:06<acer>streuner_: oh ok... thanks.. :)
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03:11<streuner_>acer: if you look for something fine, just search for 3ware - its very well support in Linux
03:12<jm_>3ware makes motherboards too?
03:12<streuner_>but its not that cheap...
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03:12<streuner_>dunno, rather not :-)
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03:12<streuner_>jm_: its NOT the cheap solution ;-)
03:13<Berge>KaiSVK: Set your locale settings to something to match your physical location.
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03:18<Branden>jm_ I can't 'make install' as root, nither.
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03:19<acer>I'm actually looking for a cheap solution that's why I try to find motherboard with RAID feature that will run on debian... :D
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03:19<acer>streuner: I take it that this 3ware is hardware solution? It's out of my budget then.. :)
03:20<aycko>acer: why do u need raid?
03:20<Berge>acer: You could use software RAID.
03:20<Berge>acer: Software RAID under Linux is solid and stable, and in my experience a lot better to work with than random hardware RAIDs.
03:21<acer>aycko: our server hd just crashed, leaving us with 3 moths worth of data losts
03:21<acer>berge: yes, I think that's what I mean...
03:21<aycko>acer: then u need backup not just raid ;)
03:22<WildOS>Hi, during the weekend I ran a test on an embedded controller running linux kernel 2.6.22, glibc 2.3.6, the old linux thread library, and with a cramfs read only file system. When I checked the controller this morning, my application was dead, and the controller kept outputting mem info on the screen. What might be causing this? When does the kernel output this info? I've logged the memory load and buffer + cache using a different computer (ethernet) and the
03:22<WildOS>re should be plenty of memory available, 4 hours before the app went down the cpu usage was going crazy high.. I also ran the same app on a stationary computer with the same kernel, but with NPTL (no minimal distro), and it is still running..
03:22<Berge>acer: You need both backup and RAID, then (-:
03:22<acer>ayck: boss' paranoid now, we're backuping on tape, another site, and he still wants raid (mirror).. :D
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03:23<acer>berge: is the software raid needs any specific feature on the motherboard or just any plain mb will work?
03:23<aycko>bacula is a cool software for backup
03:23<Berge>acer: No, not at all.
03:23<Berge>acer: It works on plain block devices, so anything will work.
03:23<acer>cause I've seen some mb with RAID feature, but mostly only supply windows drivers...
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03:23<jm_>acer: motherboard raid is only supported in very recent versions of Debian installer
03:23<jm_>Branden: but not with permission denied error
03:24<Branden>Yes, same error.
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03:24<Berge>acer: Cheap RAID-features on motherboards and stuff are just software-RAID implemented in the driver.
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03:25<acer>jm: can you tell me the recent version #? sorry but i'm really newbie for debian..
03:25<formorer>onboad cheap raid is crap, for linux only software raid is far better
03:25<jm_>acer: there is no release with it yet, use software RAID instead
03:26<acer>berge: i see .. so basically they're the same thing software the cheap raid and software raid
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03:26<nominal>could get a pci raid card if debian works w/ those
03:26<Berge>acer: Yeah, but Linux RAIDs are much easier to rescue.
03:26<Berge>acer: All you need is any given Linux.
03:27<formorer>and often faster than cheap onboard raids
03:27<acer>ok, I'll get info on the software raid.. it should be much easier to find info for it than looking for the mthervoard:D
03:27<Berge>And the Linux md-drivers are better tested and tuned, probably.
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03:27<jm_>acer: you also need to keep in mind that you can't move disks created with one motherboard and on-board RAID to a completely different motherboard (say Intel to Nvidia, ATI, SIL ...)
03:27<Berge>acer: d-i has great support for RAID, and there's lots of information available online.
03:28<acer>berge: ok.. m-drivers noted. and d-i is ?
03:28<KaiSVK>hi, please how can I change the first day of the week in gnome ?
03:28<Berge>acer: d-i is Debian Installer.
03:28<acer>thanks formorer, jm_
03:28<acer>berge: so obvious.. lol
03:29<Berge>KaiSVK: Just set your language- and locale-settings to your country.
03:29<acer>thanks all.. you've all been great :) :thumbp:
03:29<Berge>acer: np (-:
03:29<Berge>acer: Just ask if you wonder about anything.
03:29<Berge>KaiSVK: Can't remember where in Gnome, but somewhere under the settings.
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03:32<KaiSVK>Berge I want it in english, but want to have first day of the week monday
03:32<Berge>KaiSVK: Ah. Try British, perhaps?
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03:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real ...
03:41<jm_>WildOS: what mem info does it output?
03:42<mike>!ndiswrapper one-liner
03:42<dpkg>well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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03:55<acer>hi all again, is the HOWTOs on is uptodate? there
03:55<acer>'s one article on software raid from june 2004..
03:55<Pepper>there should be a link of source in each article
03:55<acer>is hat the current one or should I go to another site?
03:55<Pepper>in the introduction section
03:55<simonrvn>the second version is up to date
03:55<Berge>acer: Are you reinstalling a new system or adding a RAID array to and old one?
03:56<acer>berge: a new system
03:56<jm_>then read Debian installation manual instead
03:56<Berge>acer: Yep, read the manual, and use d-i's partition manager.
03:56<Berge>It's fairly easy.
03:57<acer>jm_: oh ok... haha you saved me a lot of time then.. :D
03:57<jm_>acer: not me, people who work on d-i :)
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03:57<Berge>acer: Keep in mind that you can't boot from a RAID5-device, though.
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03:57<Berge>acer: But on system disks you probably want RAID1.
03:57<acer>yeah.. I am actually thinking of RAID1
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04:00<acer>if I'm using RAID1, can I boot from the RAID ?
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04:00<Berge>(That is, GRUB can read from either of the disks in the RAID, since they're identical.)
04:00<acer>sip ! (that's Indonesian for something like: Great!) .. :P)
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04:07<nominal>is it normal for regular users to not have permission to view log files?
04:08<nominal>ah ok.. there's my problem ;) thanks
04:08<jm_>some files are readable if you're in adm group
04:08<Pepper>depends, not all.
04:08<nominal>will stuff break if i allow read for regular user?
04:09<Pepper>should not, but is a security problem
04:09<nominal>true.. ok adm only then
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04:26<Internat>am i noobing something up, or is chmod u+s on a directory meant to make all files created in that direcotry owned by the directory owner regardless of who creates them, including root?
04:27<jm_>Internat: info coreutils -> File permissions, read about its effect
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04:30<Internat>hmms.. that could suck
04:30<Internat>u+s doesnt actually work.. bugga
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05:31<WildOS>jm_: it starts with some kernel thread addresses followed by DMA per-cpu, Normal per-cpu, Active, DMA free, Normal free and so on. I am unable to do a screendump as I can't login via ssh.. Do you know what might get the kernel to output this info?
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05:32<jm_>WildOS: I would need to see the message first - can you take a photo?
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05:42<WildOS>jm_: done, where can I paste it?
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05:47<eth1c>Is there anything like "FL Studio's" for linux?
05:47<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
05:48<jm_>WildOS: hmm there are a few sites that allow for picture sharing, I'm sure you know TPB (, then there's imageshack for example
05:48<jm_>ahh picpaste there
05:49<eth1c>and photobucket
05:49<eth1c>and tinypic
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05:54<dallix>can someone telll me how to install prozgui?
05:55<dallix>on debian etch
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05:57<jm_>WildOS: ahh that's an oops
05:58<acu>guys I have a question - I want to put on the website a tutorial CD - if I put the indivdual files is OK but they cannot be downloaded
05:58<WildOS>jm_: hmm.. and that is?
05:58<jm_>WildOS: kernel panic/crash/bug
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06:01<WildOS>jm_: could it be caused my memory leak in a running program?
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06:02<jm_>WildOS: it shouldn't, kernel prints a backtrace when this happens, and that can be used to figure out where the issue is (it scrolled off on your pic)
06:04<WildOS>jm_: I'm unable to scroll back up with the up key. Is there a special key combination to scroll?
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06:05<jm_>WildOS: no, it stops working when kernel panics like this :)
06:05<alex_>has anyone got DSPAM working on a debian box?
06:06<WildOS>jm_: err... so what I need is a larger screen? =)
06:06<jm_>WildOS: no
06:06<WildOS>jm_: what would you have done?
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06:07<jm_>WildOS: just a sec, trying to find one document about this
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06:08<WildOS>jm_: ok :-)
06:10<jm_>WildOS: ahh Documentation/oops-tracing.txt
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06:12<WildOS>jm_: Thanks =)
06:14<jm_>there should be something better available online (possibly as part of some linux test foo), but I can't find it now
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06:15<WildOS>jm_: reproducing the crash with a higher screen resolution, that should work.. it is just that it took 2days for the controller to crash :(
06:16<jm_>WildOS: at least it is reproducible, I hate cases where customer has an issue I can't reproduce
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06:23<WildOS>well, I can't be sure that it is reproducible. In earlier tests the controller just hang.. I have a strong suspicion, though, that the problem is memory related. By reading /proc/meminfo every minute I've found that free memory is reduced with 28kB every minute, while the buffers+cache is only increased by 20kB. I was not running any programs on the controller at the time. Thus, there might be a memory leak of 8kB in there somewhere, increasing every minute.
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06:24<jm_>did you disable memory overcommit?
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06:25<WildOS>jm_: probably not, as I have never even heard abiout it =) What is memory overcommit?
06:25<jm_>WildOS: Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
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06:31<WildOS>jm_: that was interesting, but I am pretty sure I have never tampered with that flag, and it is turned off by default. Rebooting the controller right now to find out for sure
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06:35<jm_>WildOS: you can change it in run-time
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06:36<eth1c>Anyone know a good source for event sounds? so i can complete my sound preferences
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06:39<WildOS>jm_: It was disabled. Do you think it might help to set the flag to 2, "never overcommit"?
06:40<jm_>WildOS: what was it set to?
06:41<WildOS>jm_: It was set to 0, the defaul value. The thing is, at the time I found that 8kB was missing, I had no program running in user space..
06:41<jm_>WildOS: then try 2
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06:45<WildOS>jm_: new test is running with the flag set to 2
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06:47<WildOS>jm_: one more thing, do you think it might have something to do with the read only filesystem (cramfs)? I've had no experience with such filesystems in the past.. What will happen with system logs and such? Saved in memory? That will be fatal in an app like mine where memory is limited..
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06:50<eBug>i'm setting up a new debian server. After creating a new raid device can't I split it in partitions ?
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06:50<eBug>after i created a partition, the installer says the rest of the disk space is 'unusable'
06:51<jm_>WildOS: well in that case syslogd would fail writing any files
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07:11<Ryu_123>i have a simple problem .. sounds very funny but how do i install the kernelsource .. needet for the ATI driver
07:11<Ryu_123>normaly i use gentoo and i have to say it is much easyer as debian
07:11<amphi>Ryu_123: isn't kernel headers enough for that?
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07:12<Ryu_123>amphi: so how would i install those ?
07:12<amphi>Ryu_123: like any other package
07:12<Ryu_123>apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.18 ?
07:12<Berge>Ryu_123: Yep.
07:13<Ryu_123>i get package does not exist
07:13<Berge>Ryu_123: Take a look at module-assistant if you need to compile modules.
07:13<Ryu_123>E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18
07:13<Berge>Might be called linux-headers these days.
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07:14<Ryu_123>thats nice that they change the package name so most of the online howto does not work without modify
07:14<amphi>Ryu_123: try apt-cache search linux-headers
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07:14<gsimmons_>Ryu_123: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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07:18<frank>!fglrx one-liner
07:18<dpkg>methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
07:19<Ryu_123>gsimmons_ thanks it worked
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07:19<gsimmons_>Ryu_123: kernel-(source|image|headers) was previously renamed to linux-(source|images|headers) in order to allow the (future) installation of non-linux kernels within Debian systems, IIRC.
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07:20<Ryu_123>now i only have the problem that i can` t use the fglrx-driver
07:20<Ryu_123>gsimmons_: oh ok thats the reason so sorry
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07:22<gsimmons_>Ryu_123: Are you following dpkg's one-liner above? At least that's up to date. :)
07:23<WildOS>jm_: ok, and you are sure that will not make syslogd eat memory? (fails to write files)
07:24<Ryu_123>gsimmons_: so i guess not
07:25<jm_>WildOS: no, are you even sure you have it running?
07:27<WildOS>jm_: yes, I can see it running on the controller when using top
07:28<jm_>WildOS: well why not disable it? you said you have no user space programs running ealier - but you do
07:30<WildOS>jm_: to be honest, I believed syslogd to be a kernel utility *embarassed*
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07:32<harpal>when I try to mount my dvd writer than it gives me hdb: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest}
07:32<harpal>ide: failed opcode was:unknown
07:32<jm_>harpal: that means it has problems reading the disc - are you sure it's OK?
07:33<WildOS>jm_: it could also be that the bug is somehow caused by me using the old thread library instead of NPTL.. I don't trust any of them
07:33<mevans336>Good morning everyone. Can somoene possibly help point me in the right direction for an apt-get update issue?
07:33<jm_>WildOS: it still shouldn't hang
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07:34<harpal>jm_: I have written rewritable DVD, and I amtrying to accesss that. in windows its working fine
07:34<jm_>harpal: run cdck on it or somesuch
07:35<_spOOn_>hey people, is there something up with stable/updates Release
07:35<Ryu_123>!non-free sources
07:35<dpkg>well, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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07:35<_spOOn_>am getting a an error during apt-get update
07:35<_spOOn_>all other mirrors work ok, just not security... is it down?
07:36<WildOS>jm_: well, what if there is a deadlock somewhere? I suspect that NPTL implements mutexes etc very different from the old one. before the controller went down, it started using all available cpu, and kept using 100% cpu for about 4 hours..
07:36<WildOS>I am logging and graphing everything..
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07:37<jm_>WildOS: but in that case kernel would still work - and I thought it doesn't
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07:37<padski>_spOOn_: seems to work here
07:38<frank>spion: works fine
07:38<_spOOn_>okies, must just be my connection....
07:38<_spOOn_>will try later
07:38<harpal>jm_:cdck is not there.
07:38<mevans336>Has anyone seen apt-get update freeze at 99%? This is the line it freezes on: Hit stable/main Sources
07:38<mevans336>99% [40 Packages bzip2 0]
07:38<padski>_spOOn_: I see three A records for
07:38<WildOS>jm_: so what you are saying is that no faulty lib should bring the kernel down?
07:39<padski>_spOOn_: villa.d.o, stephani.d.o & lobos.d.o
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07:41<padski>_spOOn_: rather, steffani
07:41<padski>_spOOn_: they all seem to be serving http
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07:41<gsimmons_>eBug: You're using the Debian Installer (d-i)? Once you've assigned one or more partitions to be used as "raid", a "Configure software RAID" option will appear within partman. Create your MD device as appropriate, then create partitions within that device using partman.
07:42<_spOOn_>padski, i am now getting four A records :) am back up and running.... must be this dodgy connection
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07:42<padski>_spOOn_: you see four ? what IPs do you see ?
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07:43<gsimmons_>harpal: You'd need to install the 'cdck' package.
07:44<_spOOn_>padski, sorry, only three
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07:44<padski>_spOOn_: lol
07:44<_spOOn_>going blind :)
07:44<Ryu_123>gsimmons_: i tried now dpkg´s one-liner. but i still get the error that the package does not work
07:45<Ryu_123>sorry the package does not exist
07:45<Ryu_123>E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
07:46<gsimmons_>Ryu_123: Sounds like you need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include non-free sources.
07:46<harpal>jm_: this is my error please look at this and tell me whats problem in accessing dvd
07:46<Ryu_123>gsimmons_: this is what io did jus befor
07:47<padski>_spOOn_: I know nothing about this setup, but the PTRs on two of those IPs are like
07:48<gsimmons_>Ryu_123: Did you update the package index files as well? ("apt-get update")
07:48<Ryu_123>but i found the error i did
07:49<Ryu_123>i didn` t know that you need ato add non-free to all of the sources and not only to the main
07:49<piju>can i ask something ?
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07:49<JasonS>piju: you just did
07:49<piju>im interested to hot-babe, how can i install it to my debian lenny ?
07:49<padski>_spOOn_: I see raff rietz and klecker as the NS and they all tell me the same for, which is, I suggest you check your dns.
07:49<piju>my debian now is lenny (testing) amd64
07:50<_spOOn_>cheers padski
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07:50<padski>_spOOn_: you are welcmoe, I would be interested to know what you find out.
07:51<harpal>can any one tell me why I am getting error
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07:53<piju>anybody ?
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07:54<TBBle>harpal: I'd speculate that it's either a scratched-to-hell disk, failing optical drive, or somehow it's sending you crap instead of data.
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07:58<Ryu_123>gsimmons_: now it asks me what kernel framebuffer device interface i shoiuld use but how should i know that i use the default kernel
07:59<harpal>TBBle: what should I do? I have also tried with changing that disc but the same error
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08:03<TBBle>harpal: I'd speculate that it's either a failing optical drive, or somehow it's sending you crap instead of data, eg. a bad cable.
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08:04<harpal>ok than I am changing that cable, This drive is working fine with other windows machine so this drive is working fine
08:05<Branden>What is the GUI end of Debian called?
08:06<padski>Branden: Debian ships the X Window System, is that what you mean ?
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08:07<Branden>Well. I didn't install that I did the Minimum install.
08:07<padski>Branden: I don't think there is a gui in the minimal install
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08:07<padski>Branden: are you wnating to add it ?
08:08<jkoenig>Branden: run the tasksel command.
08:08<jkoenig>Branden: you will be able to change your install-time selections.
08:08<Branden>Thank you.
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08:14<gandallf>guys is thr an alternate in gnome for kjots
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08:14<harpal>TBBle: still getting same error
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08:29<sean>hi everybody
08:29<sean>does everybody know how to set up nfs4? i've been trying for a week and still gets "permission denied" errors, without further logs...
08:31<padski>sean: I could try and help you with that
08:31<gsimmons_>sean: There's a tutorial over at <>.
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08:34<TBBle>harpal: No idea then, sorry.
08:34<sean>thanks for the link, but i've done every one of these steps
08:35<sean>is there any way to turn on nfs debugging in the kernel?
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08:38<harpal>TBBle: thanx for your help
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08:55<Branden>Hm. I'm haveing a slight problem, in about 2 hours, I'm going to make it so that my Debian gets the Internet through a USB, and I don't know if there are drivers for my modem for Linux. What can I do?
08:55<padski>sean: and in particular you can debug logging with sysctl -w sunrpc.nfs_debug=3
08:55<padski>Branden: find out
08:55<petemc>Branden: google for your isp name and debian and usb modem
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08:56<padski>Branden: apt-get install usbutils and then lsusb
08:56<Branden>Ok. Thank you. I'll try this all once "Desktop Enviornment" is done downloading/isntalling.
08:56<padski>Branden: and then google the numbers :-)
08:57<padski>Branden: what is the modem anyway ?
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08:57<Branden>Westell 2200 (Verizon DSL)
08:57<padski>Branden: no idea.
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08:59<Branden>I'm ganna contact online support. Even though when they see the word Linux or Debian they'll probably be like "HUH!?" lol
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09:02<padski>Branden: that's all very well as long as there isn't a fault with their service/equipment. when you ring them up to troubleshoot a problem and they won't, it's not funny. don't even go there :-)
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09:02<Branden>padski: Welcome back.
09:03<padski>Branden: yeah, I keep getting disconnected. think the problem is my end :-(
09:04<Branden>Hmmm. "Connection Reset By Peer" You on Wireless?
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09:05<padski>no. it says the same my end. I think its just a way of saying the connection got torn down.
09:06<Branden>Ohhhh. Ok.
09:07<padski>had some other connection to elsewhere drop simultaneously, but mostly it's just this one.
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09:07<Branden>Ohhhhh. Hmm.
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09:10[~]Branden is talking to Verizon right now
09:11<petemc>good luck with that
09:11<Branden>Thank you, I'll need it. :P
09:12<petemc>you're wasting your time
09:12<Branden>I know.
09:12<Branden>Maybe my SLIGHT merical they'll be able to help.
09:12<petemc>a cursory google indicates the westell 2200 isnt a usb modem, but is an adsl modem/router
09:13<petemc>in which case, all you have to do is plug an ethernet cable between it and your debian box
09:13<Branden>Well, its a dual connect USB/Eithernet router.
09:13<petemc>forget usb
09:13<Branden>Well, I can't. I need the USB to go to the box and the box uses the CAT5 to connect to this computer.
09:14<petemc>you're making things hard for yourself, but its your life..
09:14<padski>Branden: usb, cat5, huh ? what was that ?
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09:15<Branden>padski: CAT5 (Ethernet Cable)
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09:15<TBBle>Ah, it only has one ethernet LAN port, and you don't have a switch?
09:15<Branden>I have a router, but its a POS. Always dropping, ports stop working, etc.
09:15<padski>Branden: I know that, but your other statement I don't understand
09:15<petemc>that suggests it has 4 ports
09:16<petemc>a common configuration
09:16<padski>Branden: they say you get what you pay for
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09:16<Branden>Oh. Sorry. Both computers only have one CAT5 cards... And my router aint good. So what I want to do is have the USB connect to the Debian, while the Debian connects to the other computer.
09:16<Branden>Well, I paid 60$.
09:16<freman2411>Hi People
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09:17<TBBle>Wait, isn't the Westrel box a modem/router?
09:17<freman2411>Who of you can help me with my Etch AMD 64bit problem
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09:17<TBBle>Uh. Westell.
09:17<TBBle>freman2411: That depends entirely on the problem.
09:17<padski>Branden: ok, I get what you're saying about the connections. whatabout what petemc said, is there not a hub in the router ?
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09:17<Branden>TBBle: Its a Modem/Router.
09:17<freman2411>Well how I could install w32 codecs easily
09:18<freman2411>or flashplayer
09:18<Branden>padski: The router I have is Linksys 4 ports.
09:18<freman2411>I cannot handle it too to play a rmvb or rm file with original realplayer
09:18[~]petemc watches Branden confuse everyone
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09:18<TBBle>If it's a modem/router, then you should be able to plug in all the computers to it.
09:18<TBBle>Unless it only has one LAN port.
09:19<Branden>TBBle: Its a dual connect modem, its either the USB in use, or the CAT5.
09:19<freman2411>What I could do
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09:19<TBBle>Branden: Right. How many LAN ports does it have?
09:20<TBBle>!tell freman2411 about real codecs
09:20<TBBle>!tell freman2411 about w32codecs
09:20<TBBle>Ah. That's crappy.
09:20<Branden>Yes. I know.
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09:21<TBBle>Shame, really. The only ones like that I've played with let me use both ethernet and USB connectors simultaneously.
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09:21<Branden>Maybe it will, and I just don't know how to set it up?
09:21<TBBle>I'd expect it to come that way out of the box. I usually had to disable the USB port.
09:21<TBBle>You could score yourself a cheap switch, to share that one LAN port out.
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09:22<irwiss>Or just an old NIC and set up a bridge between nics on one of the pcs
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09:22<TBBle>As for the USB protocol to use to talk to it... Google should be able to help, or the aforementioned lsusb might. I'm sure there's a package or two about adsl modem USB ports in the archive, but their names escape me.
09:22<Branden>Yeah. I'm first ganna see what I can do with the USB, so I'll be back in a little while.
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09:24<TBBle>Good luck with that.
09:25<Branden>Quick question, how do I start the computer so it uses the "Desktop Enviornment"?
09:25<padski>Branden: perhaps install a display manager, one of xdm, kdm gdm
09:26<TBBle>If you've just installed it from tasksel (I'm guessing that's the "Desktop Environment" you mean) then it should come up automatically on next boot.
09:26<Branden>padski Didn't the install "Desktop Enviornment" do that?
09:26<Branden>I'll reboot.
09:26<TBBle>If you wanna start it sooner, /etc/init.d/blahdm start
09:26<TBBle>Where blahdm is whichever display manager you installed, or it installed for you. (I dunno if it offers you the choice or not)
09:27<padski>Branden: probably, but I don't tend to do things that way :-)
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09:28<Branden>There we go. Brb.
09:29<freman2411>Could you help me please TBBle
09:29<freman2411>!tell freman2411 about w32codecs
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09:31<TBBle>Help with what? Is the w32codecs infothingy not helpful?
09:31<TBBle>Oh, he left.
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09:32<TBBle>"factoid" was the word I was looking for there.
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09:47<tycale>How can I know my local ip on debian ???
09:48<petemc> /sbin/ifconfig
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09:56<rudenstam>I got a debian 4.0 which is acting weirdly... There's no load on the box (load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.01) and there's no network traffic going on yet the box is sluggish, and not a little.... The problem goes away for some time if I reboot the box, but it then gets back again... Anyone got any ideas ?
09:57<tooms>something is chewing dram?
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09:57<Brande1>Gah. Back, am on Debian now.
09:58<Brande1>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 06a9:0009 Westell
09:58<tooms>rudenstam, try just checking the output of the command free when itś sluggish
09:58<lupine_85>rudenstam: interrupt/IRQ problem/broken driver? It's going to be a pain to pin down, whatever it is ;)
09:58<rudenstam>tooms: I will... probably will take a min or two though :)
09:58<rudenstam>lupine_85: in 'top' all cpu is at idle..
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10:02<rudenstam>tooms: .. looks alright to my eyes
10:04<tooms>syslog/kern.log/messages.log/daemon.log arent saying anything?
10:05<themill>msg the bot
10:05<themill>oops... ignore me
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10:05<kop>rudenstam : You can try: vmstat 5 > foo And watch it occassionally.
10:06<Arricc>I've just upgraded a server from sarge to etch and I'm having problems installing the new kernel. When I run lilo I get "Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big"
10:06<Arricc>anybody point me in the right direction?
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10:07<kop>Arricc : I've come to be partial to grub. You could try rebooting off a cd, mount / and /boot and whatever, chroot into it and then install grub. My lilo is too rusty to help.
10:07<rudenstam>I'll have to reboot now.. it's hardly responding anymore.. thanks for your input though
10:07<kop>rudenstam : What's vmstat say?
10:08<Arricc>kop: would do, but the server is at the end of an ssh connection
10:08<kop>Arricc : Can you boot?
10:08<rudenstam>kop: didn't get there yet
10:08<rudenstam>it takes minutes for it to respond..
10:08<Arricc>its currently running on my custom sarge kernel, if thats what you mean
10:08<rudenstam>still sitting with the free output waiting for what I've typed to show up
10:09<kop>Arricc : Yes. That's what I mean. (I also find serial consoles to be key. Plug it into a modem and you've all the remote administration you want. But it's too late for you at the moment....)
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10:12<padski>Brande1: having had a look about I concurr with petemc: you are into an 'adventure' getting that westel to work over usb, probably much easier to find another way :-)
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10:12<Arricc>kop: nope, the serial console is still working :) I've not yet tried to reboot it.
10:12<kop>Arricc : Well, if you're up and running, you _could_ install grub.... It's all spooky from the remote end of a ssh connection.
10:12<themill>Arricc: do you have a bzimage as well as a vmlinuz-blah?
10:13<Arricc>themill: its a stock debian etch kernel package (the xen/vserver one)
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10:32<rudenstam>tooms: the only indication of a problem in the logs is that nfs times out
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10:33<tooms>itś possibly driver / hardware related
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10:33<rudenstam>I'll try what kop said next time the problem occurs before it's lagging too hard
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10:47<Th|sD|cK>everytime login x, i reconfigure gateway and to save configuration?
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10:52<rudenstam>Th|sD|cK: it's not /etc/network/interfaces you want ?
10:53<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
10:54<RetroJ>hi, is it possible to make dpkg skip the preinst script while installing a package?
10:55<Th|sD|cK>rudenstam>>> yes...this file tnx...
10:55<Th|sD|cK>now i edit it
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11:02<dpkg>i heard dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client".
11:02<SoniCFL>!dhcp client
11:02<dpkg>To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'.
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11:07<stroyan>RetroJ: You can use dpkg -x to extract the files from a package without running any control scripts.
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11:09<vxdscn>Hello, how can I execute /etc/cron.daily/standard manually?
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11:23<RetroJ>stroyan: thanks!
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11:24<manphiz>What was wrong with apt? It doesn't enter testing because it is said to build failed on hppa, however according to buildd, it is succesfully built on Aug 1.
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11:34<Myon>manphiz: built != uploaded
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11:34<Myon>apt 0.7.5 | unstable | hppa
11:34<Myon>apt 0.7.6 | unstable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
11:34<dasenjo>Hi! I just bought a Genius 5.1 soundcard ... it works in stable quite well .. but I just can hear the front and back speakers .. I do not get woofer and center sound .. I don't find a center or woofer bar in alsamixer, so I want to ask before going to the shop ...
11:34<dasenjo>someone can help me please?
11:35<manphiz>Myon, so, why haven't it uploaded yet?
11:35<manphiz>it's been about 2 weeks...
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11:36<Myon>no idea, maybe the buildd is broken
11:37<Myon>only the admin knows
11:38<cahoot>dasenjo, if you know what chipset/alsa module it uses you couls try your luck with the alsa faq
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11:38<manphiz>Myon, so should they be notified?
11:38<Myon>well they probably know
11:39<manphiz>oh well, then fine :)
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11:42<manphiz>well, seems apt is not the only one get lost on hppa... maybe hppa is unable to upload currently ....
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12:07<jaggy>hello anyone knows how to put on youre wifi in debian ( i did all the codes necesairy i think )
12:07<Risjh>i want to download the mod_proxy_balancer , i cannot seem to find it on debian repos
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12:08<padski>jaggy: wep or wpa
12:08<jaggy>eh difrents? :s srry im new to linux did a month whit ubuntu now to debian
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12:09<amphi>jaggy: ifconfig -a shows the interface?
12:09<amphi>jaggy: or iwconfig with no args
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12:12<jaggy>this is what ifconfig tells me
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12:13<jaggy>this is iwconfig
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12:13<jaggy>and this is ifconfig
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12:15<amphi>jaggy: what wireless card is it?
12:15<jaggy>02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
12:15<ozirus>my deb. system's -that i installed on my toshiba l10 laptop- cpu temperature is too high? when i was on ubuntu it was normal but now too high (76 C). any idea?
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12:16<amphi>ozirus: you use the performance governator perhaps?
12:16<amphi>jaggy: you need the driver, the firmware, and the daemon for that
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12:17<jaggy>eh and i find that where ?
12:17<ozirus>amphi: i did't setup/configure any performance software.
12:17<ozirus>it has default settings
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12:17<amphi>ozirus: it's the default cpufreq governator IIRC - try setting it to ondemand or conservative perhaps
12:18<amphi>jaggy: is it in module-assistant? I don't have that card
12:18<ozirus>amphi: ok. thnx. i'll try
12:18<jaggy>amphi: eh whts module assistant?
12:18<amphi>jaggy: it's all packaged - do apt-cache search ipw3945
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12:20<jaggy>amphi : this is wht it says
12:21<amphi>jaggy: what what says?
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12:22<amphi>jaggy: as I said, you need the module for your kernel, the firmware, and the daemon
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12:23<jaggy>amphi: theres more then 1 module srry that i dont know anything about linux xd
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12:27<amphi>jaggy: the one for your kernel
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12:27<amphi>jaggy: uname -r will tell you
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12:28<jaggy>ty amphi
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12:29<sangeloff>Hi all, is someone available to help with this error message "Packages.gz was corrupt", we've been stuck for days now
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12:29<jaggy>amphi: and this demon ipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards
12:29<jaggy> ?
12:29<engamb21>oii jajajaa
12:29<engamb23>oie iza
12:29<amphi>jaggy: you need that
12:30<amphi>jaggy: and the firmware
12:30<jaggy>ok ty
12:30<engamb23>oi gente
12:30<engamb23>tudo bem com vcs?
12:30<engamb23>hello people
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12:30<engamb23>hi entuall
12:30<engamb23>how are you?
12:30<dpkg>engamb23: eh, ok
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12:31<engamb23>hello iza
12:31<sangeloff>anyone else out there having this problem ? :(
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12:32<sangeloff>"Packages.bz2 was corrupt" :(
12:32<engamb23>what is the problem?
12:32<jaggy>amphi i downd the 3 of them now what ?
12:32<entuall>hi engamb23
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12:32<sangeloff>hi engamb23
12:32<engamb23>we are in the computation classroom
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12:32<amphi>jaggy: you mean, you installed them?
12:32<engamb21>byee byeee
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12:33<jaggy>yes amphi
12:33<amphi>jaggy: is the module loaded?
12:34<jaggy>huh ?
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12:35<jaggy>how do u mean amphi
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12:45<jaggy>what u mean whit the module amphi ?
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12:49<sangeloff>Hi all
12:49<sangeloff>Hi jaggy
12:49<sangeloff>I am trying to install Debian on FreeBSD, but ran into this problem
12:50<sangeloff>whenever I run debootstrap, it tries to pull Packages from the mirror I provide and there is not file by that name
12:50<sangeloff>there is Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz, but I don't seem to be able to find a mirror that has Packages with no extension
12:50<jaggy>well i just installd debian and im still whit wifi trouble ... so i cant help srry :s
12:51<sangeloff>NP, thanks anyway, would appreciate if someone having the same problem can join us
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12:53<jaggy_>anyone else knows how to fix wifi ?
12:53<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: which version of debootstrap are you using?
12:53<dondelelcaro>jaggy_: it depends what is not working with it
12:53<sangeloff>just downloaded
12:54<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: debootstrap-udeb_0.3.3.3_amd64.udeb
12:54<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: you don't want the udeb. You want the .deb
12:54<jaggy_>dondelelcaro i nothing is working ... :s i just downd the module for my kernel, the firmware, and the daemon
12:55<dondelelcaro>jaggy_: which network card do you have? have you modprobe'd the module? what does dmesg say? does it show up in ifconfig and iwconfig?
12:56<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, but I don't seem to be able to find, also tried with, same issue
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12:56<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: the _all.deb is a .deb.
12:56<juca>uia..tem gente ae?
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12:57<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, I have tried with the _all.deb one before I downloaded the one, but I ran into the same problem
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12:57<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: and which distribution are you bootstraping?
12:58<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: in any event, add --verbose before the distribution, and use a paste site to give the results.
12:58<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: I am currently running FreeBSD
12:58<jaggy_>ok now wait first i dont know how to modprobe second ifcongig says and then iwconfig
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12:58<jaggy_>dondelelcaro read above xd
12:58<saturne>hello everybody
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12:58<jaggy_>hey saturne
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12:58<saturne>i have just installed the debian etch
12:59<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: --verbose doesn't provide any additional output, just more info in the log file I think, here is the problem that causes the script to exit:
12:59<sangeloff>it seems as both scripts are looking for a file named Package without an extension, but on the mirrors there is only a .bz2 and .gz
12:59<saturne>but the sound system doesn't work
12:59<saturne>what should i do ?
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12:59<saturne>install alsa ?
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12:59<jaggy_>i just downd debian and im in wifi problems so ...
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12:59<saturne>even when i made apt-get install alsa, i still have problems
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12:59<saturne>jaggy_ ;-)
12:59<jaggy_>yes ?
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13:00<saturne>what is your problem ?
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13:00<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: it should actually give more information about the Packages.gz file that is being downloaded. We haven't had uncompressed Packages files in quite some time.
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13:00<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: if you give the command that you're running and the full output, I'll actually be able to see what is going on.
13:00<jaggy_>well wifi wont work but this is what i know ...
13:00<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: I can put up the log file for you to review if possible ?
13:00<jaggy_>ok now wait first i dont know how to modprobe second ifcongig says and then iwconfig
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13:01<saturne>oh ! i have finally the sound !!!!
13:01<dondelelcaro>jaggy_: you need to modprobe the module for your wireless card. If you don't know what that is, then you need to show us the lspci output if it's a pci card.
13:01<jaggy_>nice saturne cngrtz man
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13:02<saturne>jaggy_ thanks ;-)
13:02<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll upload the log file on the server, would be just a mo'
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13:02<jaggy_>dondelelcaro here is that thing u askd xd
13:03<saturne>jaggy_ : what does the "lspci" give to you ?
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13:03<jaggy_>saturn open the link and ull see it ..
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13:04<jaggy_>just to not spam the server ... i use pastebin ..
13:04<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: log file is over here
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13:04<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: command line is
13:05<jaggy>so ... any tips to go on ?
13:05<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: 1) you don't have gunzip installed, 2) since cp doesn't support -a, it's anyone's guess if it will actually work.
13:06<jaggy>dondelelcaro wht about me ?
13:06<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, when I run gunzip from the command line it is recognised
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13:07<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: is it in /bin?
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13:07<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: it's under /usr/bin
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13:07<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: well, there you go.
13:08<dondelelcaro>jaggy: you need to modprobe ipw13945;
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13:08<jaggy>FATAL: Module ipw13945 not found.
13:08<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: can I create a shell script under /usr that will invoke /usr/bin for me ? think that should do the trick
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13:09<jaggy>wth dondelelcaro FATAL: Module ipw13945 not found.
13:09<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: no, because it does [ -x /bin/gunzip ]
13:09<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: you can ln it from /bin if you want, and that will work.
13:09<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, I will give it a try right away
13:10<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
13:10<dondelelcaro>jaggy: see above^^
13:10<dondelelcaro>jaggy: and then modprobe ipw3945;
13:11<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: just tried link /usr/bin/gunzip /usr/gunzip, unfortunately still get the same error message
13:11<jaggy>i done it all
13:11<jaggy>dondelcaro i done all that a long time a go
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13:12<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: /bin, not /usr.
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13:12<dondelelcaro>jaggy: then if you modprobe ipw3945; you should have output in dmesg.
13:13<jaggy>omg dondelelcaro u gave me wrong code xd now it worked the modprobe now what
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13:13<jaggy>i dont got output anyway :s
13:13<saturne>i forgot how to khnow if the direct rendering is activated and how to activate it if not ! any help please ?
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13:15<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: making progress : ) now I have both .bz2 and .gz corrupted
13:15<jaggy>so dondelelcaro now wht ? i dont get output not negativ not positiv :s
13:15<jaggy>grtz sangeloff
13:16<saturne>i forgot how to khnow if the direct rendering is activated and how to activate it if not ! any help please ?
13:16<vv>can i ask something?
13:16<vv>about networking..
13:16<jaggy>thats why this server is for isnt it
13:18<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: OK, so now I ran into the problem above, cp -a is not recognised : (
13:18<jaggy>dondelelcaro: i get output but its VERRY long xd
13:18<vv>i have a cable modem with dhcp, and i want to set up a linux router-firewall for the lan. Is it possible to NAT if the ip router is given by dhcp modem?
13:19<jaggy>dondelelcaro: i get output but its VERRY long chec this out
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13:19<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: just want to say, your help is rally appeciated, I've been bashing my head all day long : )
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13:20<jaggy>indeed dondelelcaro ty allot ive askd now for exactly 5 hours in a row in other help servers for help and nowane wanted to help me =_=
13:21<saturne>i forgot how to khnow if the direct rendering is activated and how to activate it if not ! any help please ?
13:22<lupine_85>glxinfo |grep direct
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13:23<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: what is the -a option used for, I have just tried google and all pages for cp don't have it listed ?
13:24<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: oh, I see, preserve
13:24<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: mm, I will try to remove this from the options, hope it would work without it as well, do you know where it's being used ?
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13:26<saturne>lupine_85 : glxinfo command not found
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13:27<lupine_85>so install it (it's in mesa-utils, as apt-file will tell you)
13:27<dondelelcaro>jaggy: you don't have the firmware in the correct location.
13:27<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: from /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions and /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/whateverdistroyoureinstalling
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13:28<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, onto it
13:28<jaggy>ok ty
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13:29<jaggy>dondelelcaro how to change place and stuff ?
13:30<dondelelcaro>jaggy: have you actually installed the firmware package that dpkg talked about above?
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13:31<dondelelcaro>jaggy: and what does dpkg -L firmware-ipw3945; say?
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13:31<saturne>how to activate direct rendering in xorg ??
13:32<dondelelcaro>jaggy: ok, and now the last bit of dmesg when you do modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945; ?
13:33<jaggy>eh what to type ?
13:33<osu>saturne: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in Section "Module", Load "dri" must be uncommented
13:34<osu>and 'Section "DRI"' must be uncommented
13:34<saturne>ok thanks ;-)
13:34<jaggy>after modprobe -r ... i get Stopping ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:34<jaggy>and other Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:35<saturne>osu : it is uncommented but .... the direct rendering is desactivated !! :(
13:35<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: OK, so I've changed the cp command inside functions, but it seems as it is still trying to download Packages (no ext), new log here if you are interested
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13:36<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: it says md5sum is not found, could that be it ?
13:37<saturne>osu : what should i do then ??
13:37<jaggy>after modprobe -r ... i get Stopping ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:37<jaggy>and other Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
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13:38<osu>saturne: first of all, check that your video card, is supported in the dri project
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13:39<saturne>here is my xorg.conf
13:39<saturne>osu : here is my xorg.conf
13:40<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: yerp.
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13:40<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: compiling dpkg, hope it's in there
13:40<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: you know, you may have an easier time of it just using debootstrap on a linux or debian system, and tar'ing up the resultant bits
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13:40<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: it's not, it's in coreutils
13:41<osu>saturne: you need to set the apropiate video driver
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13:44<jaggy>dondelelcaro <jaggy> after modprobe -r ... i get Stopping ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:44<jaggy><jaggy> and other Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d.
13:44<osu>in Device Section
13:44<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, will wait for this compile to finish and will recompile coreutils ...
13:44<saturne>osu : how can i find the appropriate one ??
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13:44<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: OK, so it's fetching coreutils ATM along with the rest of the dpkg stuff
13:44<osu>saturne: try with: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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13:45<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: that doesn't seem to do the trick, can I replace it with md5 instead ?
13:45<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: make install clean or coreutils just failed, already have them installed on the system apparently
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13:50<dondelelcaro>jaggy: in dmesg, not on the console; and if you want me to reply, don't /msg me.
13:51<jaggy>dondelelcaro: whats dmesg ?
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13:51<dondelelcaro>jaggy: the command. Run dmesg|less and paste the last 20 or so lines.
13:51<jaggy>ok ty
13:52<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: IIRC md5 had different options; you also probably don't have sha256sum; et al. [Getting onto a linux system and taring up a debian chroot will be much simpler.]
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13:59<dondelelcaro>jaggy: so it's working now.
13:59<dondelelcaro>jaggy: if you go iwconfig eth2; you'll see it.
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13:59<jaggy>oooooo i love u XD
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14:00<jaggy>ty alot u did what others couldnt do in 5 hours ;)
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14:08<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: just compiled md5sum, and it's making progress ! oh thank you sooo much
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14:09<jaggy>dondelelcaro i cant connect to my wirless home network but its clearly there :s
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14:10<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: hey, thank you so much, it just finished building without any errors ! I will bookmark this chat window and will eventually prepare a guide for other peope out there, would you mind letting me use the info you've supplied so far?
14:11<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks, greatly appreciated, you've just made my life times easier : )
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14:15<jaggy>dondelelocaro: it wont connect to my home wifi it doesnt even react when i click at my wifi altrough it does try to connect ..; :s can u help me this last time pls ?
14:15<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: ah, moving to the next one, could it be it's the amd64 arch? chroot: /bin/bash: Exec format error
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14:16<dondelelcaro>jaggy: you're going to have to give us more information, like whether iwlist eth2 scan; shows your homewlan, whether you're using wpa or wep or nothing, whether iwconfig eth2 essid fooessid; connects, etc.
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14:17<jaggy>ok gime a sec
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14:18<jaggy>iwlist eth2 scan :
14:18<jaggy>dondelelcaro: iwlist eth2 scan :
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14:21<dondelelcaro>jaggy: it's there, iwconfig eth2 essid "Philips WiFi"; dhclient eth2; should work in theory.
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14:23<jaggy>dondelelcaro: so i need to do dhclient eth2 ?
14:23<dondelelcaro>you'd need to do them both.
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14:24<jaggy>done and now it should work ?
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14:26<jaggy>dondelelcaro: done both will it wrok now ?
14:26<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: any ideas on the Exec format error ? : (
14:27<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: it's actually got to chroot and run dpkg; odds are it's not going to work unless it's a kfreebsd dpkg
14:27<jaggy>dondelelcaro: nope same but i think its this one DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to port 67 interval 6
14:27<jaggy>DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to port 67 interval 12
14:27<jaggy>DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to port 67 interval 18
14:27<jaggy>DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to port 67 interval 19
14:27<jaggy>DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to port 67 interval 6
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14:28<jaggy>my bad forgot about pastebin xd
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14:30<jaggy>dondelelcaro: still not wroking but i think this is the error
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14:31<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: oh, it's just such a pain : ( I think I am just going to leave it and get the servers over here and do a DVD or CD install assuiming the boxes have a DVD/CD drive installed
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14:33<RetroJ>is there any utility that would tell me information about my boot configuration, like what kernels are installed, what one will boot by default, and whether things look like they are configured correctly and my system will indeed start up? I'm using grub.
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14:35<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: oh, I see, chrooting into a 64-bit environment from a 32-bit kernel just ins't going to work : )
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14:35<dondelelcaro>sangeloff: yeah; the other direction will, though.
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14:36<jaggy>dondelelcaro: still not wroking but i think this is the error
14:37<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: OK, now that I have it on /dev/ad6s2, can I just change the MBD to book into the debian system ? assuming I copy over my partitions file as well
14:37<sangeloff>MBR* that is
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14:41<dondelelcaro>jaggy: that's just it not getting any DHCP responses; you'd have to see what ifconfig eth2; iwconfig eth2; and route -n; output to know for sure.
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14:55<sangeloff>dondelelcaro: thanks again, catch up some other time
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15:05<jaggy>dondelelcaro: heres the info but whats the last thing i needed to do? ifconfig gives iwconfig gives
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15:12<jaggy>dondelelcaro: heres the info but whats the last thing i needed to do? ifconfig gives iwconfig gives
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15:15<dondelelcaro>jaggy: the wireless is connected. If you're not getting a DHCPOFFER then it's either because you've got another interface up, or the router isn't responding to DHCP.
15:15<jaggy>dondelelcaro: so restart rooter ?
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15:22<jcole>anyone know of a graphviz irc room
15:22<jcole>im trying to figure out how to add a legend
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15:39<zimnyx>Is it possible to swap Fn and CTRL keys? xev shows nothing when i press Fn. I guess only hardware is aware of this key
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16:16<Satur_n>do you have an idea about how to make a nat server ?
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16:17<petemc>Satur_n: the ipmasq package can do that for you
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16:18<Satur_n>petemc : really ? so i haven't to write any script ?
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16:23<]MaRvIN[>alguien aki me puede ayudar?
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16:24<Satur_n>!es ]MaRvIN[
16:25<]MaRvIN[> ?¿
16:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:26<Satur_n>where can i find the official sources.list file for debian etch ??
16:26<]MaRvIN[>thanks Satur_n :)
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16:26<Satur_n>no problem ]MaRvIN[ ;-)
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16:33<Satur_n>petemc : thanks
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16:33<Satur_n>hi omind
16:33<omind>hi <Satur_n>
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16:47<apunto>is there a way i can enable sshd to allow users to use sftp and not the shell?
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16:48<apunto>btw, ftpd-ssl is having trouble using hi ports for pasv connections
16:49<apunto>i think is has something to do with netinet/in.h header
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16:56<evaristodebian>Helo i don't speak englis: What is the name os the modul o kcontrol "Display & monitor"??
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16:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:57<streuner>you are already in #debian-es, why not just ask there?
16:57<evaristodebian>in this debian-es canal chat not dialog a mi (i don't speak englis)
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17:00<streuner>evaristodebian: try #debian-es on FN ( - they have about 84 users
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17:06<ntbnnt>i recieve an error while attempting to verify 3d-acceleration
17:06<ntbnnt>any tips?
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17:09<Satur_n>i have installed the flashplugin-nonfree package, but when configuring, dpkg told me :
17:09<Satur_n>Download done.
17:09<Satur_n>md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
17:09<Satur_n>The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
17:09<Satur_n>why ??
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17:10<omind>no i don't think so
17:10<omind>the download is done !
17:11<omind>it's a problem of md5sum !
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17:11<Satur_n>but what should i do ??
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17:12<ravl>hello. i upgraded from etch to lenny yesterday, and now i can't play MPEG videos
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17:13<Satur_n>any help please ?
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17:17<ravl>none of the media players I have installed can play them, not even amarok
17:17<ravl>what could be wrong?
17:18<omind>someone khows how to play encoded dvds ??
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17:18<arato>is there a way to use a wildcard with apt-get to list possible packages? For example, i want a list of all PHP packages to install.
17:19<ravl>arato: aptitude is a nice frontend for apt-get that helps with that
17:19<streuner>omind: read xine's FAQ (website)
17:20<arato>ah ok, thanks ravl
17:20<streuner>ravl: mpeg's are supported by default
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17:21<streuner>ravl: run "file <some file>" to get infos about
17:21<ravl>streuner: i suspect a library is wrong, because all the media players don't work with mpegs, but play music
17:21<streuner>might be no mpeg at all
17:22<streuner>try xine or mplayer or vlc instead
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17:22<ravl>my amarok uses xine, it should play them
17:23<streuner>ravl: run xine on a shell and tell us the error
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17:24<ravl>says command not found. no wonder it doesn't play
17:24<streuner>amarok is a frontend of xine?
17:24<streuner>!depends amarok
17:25<dpkg>amarok: depends on amarok-engines | amarok-engine, ruby, unzip, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.7-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgpod2, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libifp4, libjpeg62, libkarma0, libmtp5, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), libnjb5, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libpq5, ...
17:25<streuner>nah, maybe the amarok engine is based on xine, but it should play them
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17:29<ravl>i found a library that wasn't installed, libxine1-ffmpeg. description says 'you probably want to install this'
17:30<streuner>yeah, it plays mp3 by default but not mpegs
17:31<streuner>Description: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
17:31<ravl>that did it
17:31<streuner>why not just using xine?
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17:34[~]vastinfest labos
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17:43<gypson>Hi :)
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17:46<gypson>I'm expiring timeouts in which the computer does not react to any input and freezes like windows lovesto do it, and after a few seconds the pc is back and reacts normally
17:47<gypson>the problem only occours while using powernowd with kernel 2.6.18-4-486
17:47<gypson>can anybody give any advice?
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17:55<Supaplex>!pal scox ticker
17:55[~]dpkg points at scox ticker and laughs uproariously
17:57<omind>someone khows how to play encoded dvds ??
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17:57<Supaplex>with a dvd player?
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17:58<witte>omind: there is libdvdcss2 in debian-multimedia
17:58<witte>!tell omind -about debian-multimedia
17:58<omind>witte : i just have to install this package ??
17:58<witte>!tell omind -about libdvdcss
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18:01<omind>witte what is the exact package name ?
18:01<witte>omind: libdvdcss2, but it is only in debian-multimedia
18:01<witte>read what dpkg told
18:01<omind>witte thanks
18:02<omind>witte it reads even the encoded dvds??
18:02<witte>I think so
18:02<witte>it read everything that i feeded it up to now
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18:16<omind>i can't install the flashplugin-nonfree package
18:16<omind>the dpkg told me
18:16<omind>that the md5sum is not correct !!!
18:17<witte>omind: paste the error in a pastebin
18:17<witte>!tell omind -about pastebin
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18:17<omind>o kwitte just one minute
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18:23<witte>omind: can you just try to install it again
18:23<witte>maybe the download was not correct
18:23<omind>witte ihave already tried :-(
18:23<witte>omind: this should normally work...
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18:24<witte>omind: can you download teh install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz from the website (macromedia?) and check the md5sum?
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18:25<witte>just wget
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18:29<gigel>I have a problem trying to configure exim4 (first time)
18:29<gigel>mail recipients between internal mail users works
18:29<gigel>but when i try to send from external mail it cant reaches
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18:30<Guest723>hi.. does anyone know if there is any debian specific information for setting up passwordless and formless certificate authenticated file upload via https in tomcat (or apache if tomcat can't do it) ? i can't find what I'm looking for a generic tomcat install so I'm hoping maybe there's something deian specific :/ )
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18:30<petemc>Guest723: thats not a function of exim
18:30<petemc>gigel: ^^^
18:30<gigel>where is the problem?
18:30<petemc>gigel: you need s mx record or an a record
18:30<petemc>a mx record
18:31<petemc>whats your domain?
18:31<gigel>please explain a little to me
18:32<gigel>petemc so wheres the problem?
18:33<omind>witte 821cc72359a937caef85bb4cc74ef5cd
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18:33<petemc>gigel: mail should reach your machine
18:33<petemc>and exim is listening, i would check your logs
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18:35<gigel>I is something to do with my firewall? I opened 25 and 110
18:36<petemc>it wouldnt appear so
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18:36<omind>witte where is the original md5sum ??
18:36<witte>omind: I have the same one
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18:37<witte>omind: and in /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplayer-nonfree.md5sums the md5sums are i think
18:37<witte>but that one is different
18:38<witte>maybe there is a new on the macromedia website, and the package is not changed?
18:38<witte>but now I am skating on thin ice, I am not sure what to think about this
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18:39<witte>omind: you could try to first make a backup of the file i mentioned, and afterwards change the md5sum to the one you gave earlier
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18:41<gigel>petemc It seems I have a problem with outlook ,in a normal mail web page it works
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18:41<gigel>but in outlook
18:41<gigel>it gives me this gigel> Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
18:41<gigel><gigel> Subject: wqwe
18:41<gigel><gigel> Sent: 8/14/2007 2:21 AM
18:41<gigel><gigel> The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:
18:41<gigel><gigel> '' on 8/14/2007 2:21 AM
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18:41<witte>gigel: it is not a problem in outlook, outlook is the problem ;-)
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18:42<petemc>check /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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18:43<petemc>usually, root is aliased to a normal user
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18:55<gigel>petemc please tell me why in web based mail it works and in outlook dont
18:55<gigel>i really dont understand
18:55<petemc>did you check the log?
18:57<gigel>i receive from sysadmin
18:57<gigel>an error
18:57<gigel>"sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts "
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18:58<petemc>i just sent a mail to postmaster at your domain
18:58<petemc>it was accepted
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19:06<DavidProck>this time around after a format i did not install a desktop environment , i just got a light weight window manager and a few select app's (that are not part of or use part of a desktop environment).....
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19:07<DavidProck>and this time, well i got a game i like to make changes to and compile and i get these 3 errors
19:07<witte>DavidProck: don't paste here, paste in a pastebin
19:07<DavidProck>g++ -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -fsigned-char -Ienet/include -I. -Ishared -Iengine -Ifpsgame `sdl-config --cflags` -c -o shared/tools.o shared/tools.cpp
19:07<DavidProck>/bin/sh: sdl-config: command not found
19:07<DavidProck>/bin/sh: g++: command not found
19:07<DavidProck>make: *** [shared/tools.o] Error 127
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19:08<DavidProck>witte: r u automated, or a person that warn me
19:08<witte>DavidProck: apt-get install build-essentials
19:09<witte>a person, and if you would have pasted one more line you would have been kicked automatically :-)
19:09<DavidProck>build-essentials apperantly is installed all ready
19:10<DavidProck>it did not install so i guess it is
19:10<witte>DavidProck: ok, then install g++
19:10<witte>you could also apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;
19:11<witte>and afterwards apt-file search <missing-file>
19:11<peterS>by build-essentials he means build-essential
19:11<witte>peterS: thanks, that was a typo
19:12<DavidProck>ok i dont know what is different about this time but i tried to install g++ and it listed every app with a "g" in its name, i was like wtf, but noqw it works
19:12<DavidProck>peterS, oh build-essential was not installed
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19:16<DavidProck>what does this mean /bin/sh: sdl-config: command not found
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19:16<corrado>yo !
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19:17<witte>DavidProck: that means probalby that you have not install libsdl1.2-dev$
19:17<witte>(without the dollar sign of course)
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19:20<DavidProck>ok that is installing a lot ,27files total of 34..MB , But i was still able to play the game
19:20<witte>DavidProck: it works now?
19:21<witte>in any case I am going to sleep, it's 2:20 here
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19:21<DavidProck>HUH shared/pch.h:31:23: error: SDL_image.h: No such file or directory ???
19:22<witte>DavidProck: apt-file search SDL_image.h
19:22<DavidProck>i backed every thing up, it is the same copy of the game that has been compiled hunderds of times
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19:23<witte> apt-file search SDL_image.h
19:23<witte>libsdl-image1.2-dev: usr/include/SDL/SDL_image.h
19:23<DavidProck>no result
19:23<witte>so you need libsdl-image1.2-dev
19:23<witte>did you do a apt-file update?
19:23<christopher>hi. i'm trying to connect to a linksys wireless router. could someone point me in the right direction?
19:23<DavidProck>after the installs u told me about , no
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19:24<witte>without the update, it has not datebase to look in, so it wont find anything
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19:26<witte>DavidProck: good luck
19:26<witte>and if you don't find anything
19:26<witte>!tell DavidProck about search
19:26<DavidProck>installing libsdl1.2-dev and it also got 3 other files
19:27<DavidProck>ahhhh that seem to do the trick, thanks
19:27<witte>DavidProck: you are welcome
19:28<witte>christopher: you will need to specify your question a bit more i gues, otherwize nobody can help you
19:28<witte>but i am way to tired to be anyone of help, bye
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19:30<DavidProck>new error engine/sound.cpp:16:27: error: SDL_mixer.h: No such file or directory
19:30<christopher>i am using a l2.4ghz inksys wireless-b broadband router. plugging it in works fine but I would like to use the wireless capabilities. I am currently using debian 4.0 on an IBM r40.
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19:33<blarson>christopher: What kind of wireless is on your laptop (use lspci)? Do you have the drivers installed?
19:35<DavidProck>ine/world.o engine/worldio.o fpsgame/fps.o rpggame/rpg.o -Lenet -lenet `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer -lz -lGL -lGLU
19:35<DavidProck>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
19:35<gravity>DavidProck: Install libgl1-mesa-dev
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19:36<DavidProck>that command did not do any thing
19:36<DavidProck>aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dev
19:37<DavidProck>is allready installed
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19:40<erikrocha>good day!
19:41<erikrocha>I need help! :(
19:41<gravity>That's odd
19:42<erikrocha>I need create a link symbolic
19:43<DavidProck>erikrocha i recently follow a guide to install some java for the web browser.......
19:44<peterS>this is what 'ln -s' does
19:44<peterS>first specify the existing file, then the new location for the link
19:44<peterS>just like with cp
19:44<erikrocha>but ...
19:44<erikrocha>for example:
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19:45<peterS>stop hitting Enter until you've finished a thought. it is highly annoying to read 1 or 2 or 3 words per line, for several lines, before we know what you're trying to say
19:45<DavidProck>and it told me to cd to the dir where u want the link and do ls -s /file/you/want/to/link/to
19:45<erikrocha>ln -s /home/erikrocha/Desktop/My_documents/My_projects /var/www
19:45<erikrocha>excelent! running!
19:46<erikrocha>but ...
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19:46<DavidProck>wilt what ln -s OR ls -s ?
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19:46<erikrocha>in firefox, write "http:/localhost"
19:46<erikrocha>no show me the folder
19:47<DavidProck>how about that
19:48<DavidProck>erikrocha did do it
19:48<erikrocha>yes and nothing :(
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19:48<erikrocha>when I go to the folder if it shows to me
19:49<erikrocha>the Link this created good the problems is from the navigator
19:49<erikrocha>in firefox :(
19:49<erikrocha>it does not show the folder to me
19:50<DavidProck>well is the symlink working
19:50<DavidProck>just useing your normal folder browser
19:50<erikrocha>I believe that I need some parameter or something
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20:29<paul_23>hello I tried to compile somme C code and I get this Massage: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list
20:29<paul_23>any idear
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21:25<momerath616>So does anyone know if it's safe to move to a full 64bit system yet?
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21:26<ranix>momerath616: it is
21:26<momerath616>Are Flash, wine, and java compatible yet?
21:26<ranix>flash, no
21:26<jcs7778>I tried reconfigureing x but x still wont load i get fatal server error: no screens found XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The line above the arroe message says NV(0): No valid modes found and Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration, I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root and i still have this problem
21:26<momerath616>then its not safe =P
21:26<momerath616>I'm trying to get as much speed as i can out of my system
21:27<ranix>you are doing it wrong then
21:27<momerath616>right now wine is a bit too sluggish for my liking and I was thinking that moving to 64bit might help.
21:27<momerath616>jcs7778, I think you may have installed your drivers incorrectly
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21:27<ranix>because larger numbers are faster, amirite?
21:27<momerath616>jcs7778, which method did you use?
21:28<momerath616>No...because 64bit was supposed to be faster
21:28<momerath616>unless i'm horribly mistaken and i've wasted all this time and money on setting up a 64bit compatible system
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21:29<ranix>you are horribly mistaken if you think "64 bits" is faster than "32 bits"
21:29<momerath616>ok explain why then
21:29<Steelhoof>oooooh. flame on!
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21:30<jcs7778>ranix This system is one on which ive had debian with gnome working fine for while, all drivers were picked by the installer. I tryed playing around with the xfce application manager and all seemed good until i rebooted my system and x refused to load.
21:30<jcs7778>btw it's still etch
21:30<abrotman>ranix: that's dependent on the operation of the system
21:30<ranix>jcs7778: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?
21:30<momerath616>he said he did that
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21:31<ranix>didn't see it
21:31<jcs7778>yeah! still didn't help
21:31<ranix>jcs7778: the configuration file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf if memory serves
21:31<ranix>jcs7778: try opening it up in your favorite command line text editor and see if it's sane
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21:32<ranix>jcs7778: at least some of it should make sense to you, you might notice something wrong
21:32<momerath616>no explanation as to why 64bit is not better than 32bit then?
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21:32<ranix>momerath616: I am not wikipedia, I am just an internet troll
21:32<ranix>momerath616: now begone before I grind your bones to make my bread
21:32<momerath616>you are the first person i have met in the linux community that i don't like.
21:32<jcs7778>yeah Ive looked at it, Im no expert but it looks like it should be fine and it looks like the working xorg.confs on my other systems
21:33<ranix>you haven't met any gnome developers yet
21:33<ranix>jcs7778: try doing another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set things to "fail-safe" ish settings
21:34<ranix>jcs7778: like, 800x600 graphics with the vga driver
21:34<ranix>jcs7778: make sure not to use the kernel framebuffer interface
21:34<Steelhoof>momerath616: `the benifit of 64 over 32 is in the ability to manage bigger chunks and more threads. and that is dependent on skillful prgramming.
21:35<momerath616>so would it be beneficial to upgrade then?
21:35<momerath616>or switch i should say
21:36<ranix>that strongly depends on which software you are running
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21:36<chealer>ranix: avoid being offensive
21:36<momerath616>i mostly run wine to play EVE Online
21:36<Steelhoof>it is like asking if someone need a 4 passanger car or an 8 passenger van. you tell me.
21:36<ranix>you will actually waste memory if you use moostly 32-bit applications, momerath616
21:36<Steelhoof>momerath616: it is like asking if someone need a 4 passenger car or an 8 passenger van. you tell me.
21:36<ranix>although 'waste' is a relative concept
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21:37<momerath616>but what if i use a 64bit version of wine?
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21:37<Steelhoof>momerath616: again. it is like asking if someone need a 4 passenger car or an 8 passenger van. you tell me.
21:37<ranix>momerath616: to run 32 bit binaries? No discernable difference as I understandit
21:37<Steelhoof>your needs will determine.
21:38<momerath616>then i suppose there's no reason to do it
21:38<ranix>momerath616: do you remember when the MMX module for Pentiums came out?
21:38<momerath616>no i dont
21:38<ranix>nevermind then
21:38<momerath616>alright then what else can i do to increase performance?
21:39<ranix>momerath616: check your jiggahertz and make sure nothing is vampiring your watts
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21:39<Steelhoof>I rmember when a 486 was produced without a floating number processor. Ok to type a dos note, shit to do a big spreadsheet. it was a 486sx... aka 486 sux.
21:40<ranix>Steelhoof: I remember math coprocessors lol
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21:40<Steelhoof>momerath616: memory is you friend.
21:40<momerath616>i could use another gig...i only have 1
21:41<Steelhoof>I remember buting my first one fo $50. fun
21:41<Steelhoof>err buying
21:41<momerath616>a coprocessor?
21:41<momerath616>what was it for?
21:41<ranix>I started owning my own computers at around the 486 era
21:41<Steelhoof>went with a 386, and it was matched to my cpu.
21:41<ranix>I almost shat bricks when I got my 333mhz k6
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21:42<momerath616>i remember being excited about getting a 56k modem
21:42<Steelhoof>heh. kids
21:42<ranix>I remember when my 28.8 modem was blazing
21:42<ranix>I paid $80 for that thing so I could mud better
21:42<ranix>and mud I did
21:43<blarson> Yah, I upgraded my first system to 16k of memory.
21:43<Steelhoof>try surfing the nascent net with archie and gopher. :)
21:43<jcs7778>ranix I got x running using vesa insted of the drivers that seem to be the ones for my video card but the image is terrible there are all kinds of artifacts on the screen and stuff is wobbelingi weird ways
21:43<ranix>those player-kills were worth twice what I paid for it
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21:43<Steelhoof>that was fun
21:43<momerath616>i dont think you can do anything anymore with only 16k
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21:43<ranix>jcs7778: what video card?
21:43<ranix>jcs7778: you are almost there
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21:44<momerath616>ranix: I wish i had been around for the days when mudding was all that there was
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21:44<momerath616>most games nowadays suck
21:44<Steelhoof> /start time warp
21:44<jcs7778>an old nvidea from about 2003, the configuration file detected it i just should of written it down
21:44<ranix>momerath616: a good mud kicked the pants off mmorpgs
21:44<momerath616>but my attention span is so short that i can't play muds right now
21:44<ranix>jcs7778: were you using the open-source nvidia driver?
21:44<Steelhoof>os/2 was my friend
21:44<ranix>jcs7778: or the riva driver
21:45<momerath616>theres an open source nvidia driver?
21:45<momerath616>i thought that there was just the good ol' driver
21:45<ranix>nope, there's the 'nv' driver
21:45<chealer>momerath616: an open source driver *for* nvidia, yeah, nv, which you were using.
21:45<momerath616>oh THAT one
21:46<jcs7778>no they were i think NV, they were the ones installed by the duisness card installer cd
21:46<chealer>momerath616: uh, sorry, confused you with jcs7778
21:46<momerath616>the nv driver is good for about 2 minutes and then your eyes fry
21:47<ranix>jcs7778: all I can suggest is that you keep playing. You should be able to get the vesa driver working by changing the horizontal/vertical refresh ratesor the resolution of your monitor to the right values, or just specifying the size properly
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21:47<momerath616>the nvidia driver should work for him though
21:47<jcs7778>it's a pretty old card
21:47<ranix>jcs7778: if you give it an hour of tinkering you should be able to figure it out. From there, you basically never have to do this again, because it will always work the first time once you know how
21:48<jcs7778>yeah, ille do that
21:48<momerath616>i always have trouble with the pre-packaged nvidia drivers
21:48<ranix>if it's a geforce2 or later the proprietary nvidia binary kernel module should work fine. But I'd get vesa working first
21:48<jcs7778>thanks all
21:48<momerath616>i typically just grab the installer from and do it that way
21:48<ranix>I have been using module-assistant to install the nvidia drivers
21:48<ranix>I think
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21:49<momerath616>thats what i did for my current system
21:49<momerath616>worked pretty darn good
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22:19<arato>is there a way to remove a program if i dont' know where it's installed? something command-line, preferably (i've got a few instances of apache i want to remove and then do one fresh install)
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22:25<djmachado_>klys: hi
22:25<djmachado_>i'm still needing your help
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22:30<djmachado_>i was doing the things you told me to do about restoring my debian 32-bit system and i got a little bit lost
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22:41<rgrep>I am getting a BADSIG on's etch Release which is preventing me from installing etch. Is everyone else seeing this?
22:42<rgrep>BADSIG is for A70DAF536070D3A1
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22:43<rgrep>I have tried reinstalling debian-archive-keyring and have rerun apt-get update several times.
22:44<rgrep>Can someone please confirm whether other people are seeing this too or if it's just me.
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22:45<rgrep>eh? Was that in response to my questions?
22:45<momerath616>yes sir
22:45<rgrep>Sorry did I not make any sense?
22:46<chealer>arato: just remove the package which contains it
22:46<momerath616>you're getting a BADSIG?
22:46<rgrep>I'm us
22:46<klys>djmachado_: I'm here
22:46<rgrep>When I do apt-get update I get a BADSIG on's etch/updates Release
22:46<rgrep>So this is preventing me from installing etch from the netinst CD
22:47<rgrep>Because the progress bar sits at 5% while in the background aptitude is asking whether it's OK to proceed with the untrusted signature.
22:47<klys>djmachado_: you don't have to /msg me, you know
22:47<djmachado_>klys: ok then
22:48<chealer>rgrep: it shouldn't prevent you from installing Etch. you don't *need* a security source
22:48<rgrep>chealer: It is stopping the installer from running as normal.
22:48<klys>are you the one that was going from 64-bit to a 32-bit system? I lose track
22:48<rgrep>chealer: I know I could probably work around it but
22:48<djmachado_>yes i am
22:49<klys>do you still have the log of our conversation from before?
22:49<rgrep>chealer: I didn't think it should be happening since if there really is a BADSIG on someone else should notice this too.
22:49<djmachado_>yes i do
22:49<klys>where are you?
22:49<djmachado_>wait up
22:50<rgrep>Can someone do an apt-get update and confirm whether the sigs check out ok from
22:50<djmachado_>apt-cache show dpkg | grep ilename: see this line
22:51<djmachado_>what do i do with what it yields?
22:51<klys>djamchado_: can you post the log, I lost it
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22:51<klys>for me, it yields: Filename: pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.14.5_i386.deb
22:52<klys>you can use lynx, curl, wget, etc. to retrieve it
22:54<chealer>rgrep: my mirror is OK
22:55<rgrep>chealer: you mean is ok? you can't use a mirror for that can you?
22:55<djmachado_>klys:it doesn't work
22:55<klys>you mean my link is out of date? lynx
22:55<djmachado_>but in mine it yields:Filename: pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.13.25_amd64.deb
22:56<klys>oh, I did apt-get uptade from sid or more recently
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22:57<klys>I still don't have the log so I don't know at what point you were supposed to do it.
22:58<djmachado_>hold on
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22:58<chealer>rgrep: I mean that the host which my APT just used for the apt-get update was OK. more or less, indeed there are no "mirrors", but a few hosts.
22:58<rgrep>chealer: hmm, this is strange. you're using etch i assume?
22:58<chealer>rgrep: I tested it on Etch, yes.
22:59<rgrep>I will try changing my main mirror and reinstalling debian-archive-keyring.
22:59<klys>djmachado_: do you have apt installed on /loop already?
22:59<djmachado_>not yet
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23:00<djmachado_>i didn't know what to do next
23:00<djmachado_>where can i dcc you the file
23:00<klys>if not, you'd just want the info that you have, minus the filename. lynx there and download `d' the latest i386 deb
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23:02<djmachado_>it's on
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23:05<ntbnnt>what is a good app for managing a large database of music (3000+)
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23:09<momerath616>thats not real large holmes
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23:09<momerath616>and what do you mean by manage?
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23:10<klys>djmachado_: underestimate?
23:11<djmachado_>how come?
23:11<klys>momerath616: probably edit id3 tags, make selections and export m3u playlists
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23:11<momerath616>the program i use for all of my music needs is amarok
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23:12<momerath616>handles large amounts of music using either a mysql,postgres,or sqlite database
23:12<klys>djmachado_: is your attention valued or are you lurking
23:12<chealer>ntbnnt: amarok?
23:12<momerath616>can edit tags and create playlists.
23:12<ntbnnt>chealer: maybe...
23:12<ntbnnt>chealer: pros?
23:12<djmachado_>i'm trying to download the i386.deb file
23:13<momerath616>ntbnnt: just gave you some pros
23:13<ntbnnt>momerath616: support for CD database?
23:14<chealer>ntbnnt: for me, it's designed for KDE. it has many features.
23:14<momerath616>i'm not sure
23:14<momerath616>if you want to be ripping and tagging thats probably not the type of program you want
23:14<momerath616>using this iceweasel thing i can't install any firefox extensions
23:15<momerath616>is there a way around it?
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23:15<mikkelorz>momerath616: you using 64bit?
23:15<momerath616>no sir
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23:15<klys>still? wget
23:16<klys>unless you're setting up lynx ;)
23:16<djmachado_>ok i got it
23:16<momerath616>mikkelorz, I'm trying to install a google browser sync extension and it keeps telling me it requires firefox 1.5 or later
23:16<momerath616>but i have the latest iceweasel installed
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23:18<mikkelorz>maybe the add-on isnt compatible with your version.. as in not updated?
23:18<momerath616>it works with the regular firefox
23:18<momerath616>but not this iceweasel thing
23:20<djmachado_>klys: i got the file already
23:20<djmachado_>what's next ?
23:20<momerath616>mikkelorz, got it working. found the direct link to the extension and pasted it in the address bar
23:20<klys>djmachado_: so, dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB dpkg_*i386.deb
23:21<mikkelorz>momerath616: ah cool :)
23:21<mikkelorz>momerath616: got caught up browsing the add-on pages sorry i couldnt be of any real assistance ;)
23:21<momerath616>its all good =)
23:22<klys>gripi is a cool program to rip cds with
23:22<mikkelorz>nice.. download in new tab! getting that.. so annoying when the download window opens
23:23<klys>mikkelorz: you can turn off the download window in preferences
23:23<momerath616>well i guess my kernel compilation isn't going to finish any time soon...time to go to bed
23:23<djmachado_>klys: cannot touch `/loop/var/lib/dpkg/status'
23:24<klys>djmachado_: is /loop mounted? I can see we're in for it. mkdir -p /loop/var/lib/dpkg
23:24<klys>dpkg/ is root.root 755 on my system
23:25<djmachado_>yes i mounted /root/newfs.ext2 on /loop
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23:26<djmachado_>mkdir -p /loop/var/lib/dpkg: done
23:26<klys>now touch the statusfile and you can install stuff I think
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23:27<djmachado_>hold on
23:27<djmachado_>do i have to update anything before ?
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23:28<djmachado_>i mean do i have to run apt-get update ?
23:28<klys>djmachado_: only after you install apt
23:28<klys>djmachado_: the real miracle of debian is dpkg
23:28<djmachado_>i got it
23:30<klys>also, mkdir /loop/var/lib/dpkg/info
23:31<rgrep>I have discovered that one of the hosts has an invalid signature for etch/updates Release
23:31<ogy>hi im having some mount problems, after using dd form dev/hda to dev/hdb there dont seem to be devices for /dev/hdb5 ... how do i update these devices ?
23:31<rgrep>Any Debian archive admins around?
23:31<djmachado_>it can't find :`/loop/var/lib/dpkg/updates/'
23:31<djmachado_>what does it means ?
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23:32<klys>also, mkdir /loop/var/lib/dpkg/updates
23:35<klys>ogy: hold on, are these disks the same size and geometry?
23:35<ogy>yes klys
23:35<klys>ogy: fdisk /dev/hdb
23:35<djmachado_>what's wrong with this: dpkg --root=/loop --set-selections dpkg-getsel.txt
23:36<klys>make sure nothing is mounted from /dev/hdb? when you hit `w'
23:36<klys>djmachado_: do you have dpkg installed yet?
23:36<klys>djmachado_: is there an error message?
23:36<djmachado_>yes i do
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23:37<djmachado_>yes it's in portuguese
23:37<djmachado_>but i'll translate that
23:37<klys>I see now
23:38<klys>cat dpkg-getsel.txt | dpkg --root=/loop --set-selections
23:38<ogy>thanks klys
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23:39<djmachado_>yes because it says dpkg --set-selections doesn't need any args
23:39<ogy>your a true life saver
23:40<klys>djmachado_: I was reading `man dpkg' when it said Set package selections using file read from stdin.
23:41<ogy>i cand of have the same problem with an image i created using dd for qemu would this be the same problem ?
23:41<djmachado_>not found:/loop//var/lib/dpkg/available'
23:42<klys>ah, should have seen that coming
23:42<klys>here, youcan have mine
23:42<mikkelorz>you got an extra slash there it would seem
23:42<djmachado_>yes i see that
23:42<djmachado_>i don't know what is introducing it
23:43<klys>hold on before getting it
23:44<klys>ok go
23:46<djmachado_>i got the file
23:46<klys>put it in /loop/var/lib/dpkg ?
23:47<rgrep>Folks, if anyone asks about bad signatures from there is currently a problem with the mirror at
23:47<rgrep>The problem is that Release.gpg hasn't been updated for etch/updates. The other mirrors of appear to be OK.
23:48<rgrep>I have alerted ftpmaster so hopefully the problem will be fixed soon.
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23:49<rgrep>BTW, the problem will also cause new etch installs to hang or fail during the package installation phase.
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23:49<ogy>klys can i ask you one more question?
23:50<klys>ogy: ask as many as you need, while I'm here
23:51<ogy>i created an image using dd for qemu, however it hangs when i try to boot it, is this the same problem?
23:51<djmachado_>klys: done
23:51<klys>ogy: you have to make sure the bios and linux have the same geometry for both drives
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23:52<klys>djmachado_: did you try again with --set-selections ?
23:52<djmachado_>it worked
23:53<djmachado_>keep on
23:54<moriyah>can anyone help with x-mplayer2
23:54<klys>djmachado_: well, until you have apt, you have to install dependencies by hand. use lynx and look around. remember the command with | grep ilename
23:54<klys>moriyah: #mplayer, maybe?
23:55<moriyah>I installed mplayer plugin
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23:56<moriyah>but can't get the tests to work
23:56<klys>moriyah: hold on, /join mplayer and I will too
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23:57<djmachado_>do i have to run :apt-cache showpkg apt
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23:57<djmachado_>and then install all dependencies
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23:58<deft>will I regret it if I try to install debian on my toshiba m70-122?
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23:58<klys>djmachado_: or apt-cache show apt, yes
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23:59<djmachado_>i'm working on it
23:59<klys>djmachado_: also set lynx front page to
23:59<klys>remember, dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB file.deb
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