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---Logopened Wed Aug 15 00:00:03 2007
---Daychanged Wed Aug 15 2007
00:00<k-man>i used the daily build netinst
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00:00<k-man>sorry, weekly build
00:00<Larks>k-man: use netinst to install base system
00:00<Larks>k-man configure apt
00:00<klys>he's using an initrd
00:01<klys>or are you?
00:01<k-man>if root is on an lvm, what params do i pass to the kernel?
00:01<k-man>klys: yeah, i'm sure it needs initrd as im using lvm
00:01<klys>depends on what device root is detected as
00:02<klys>your main problem may be configurig the scrits in your initrd
00:02<klys>have you mounted -o loop the initrd?
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00:03<k-man>im at the grub boot prompt at the moment
00:03<klys>did it load the initrd ok?
00:03<k-man>trying to work out what arguments i have to give to grub
00:03<k-man>yes, initrd loads ok
00:04<klys>that's only after you get root mounted so nm
00:04<klys>just root= and vga=/video=
00:04<k-man>but what does roo=
00:05<klys>well, boot a kernel without that and see what drive partitions are detected
00:05<klys>press shif+pgup
00:05<Focher>ok. Now I have a /dev/md0 with both drives in it. /proc/mdstat shows the drives in the raid1 config. Now I cannot mount. Says bad group descriptors and cannot read the superblock
00:05<k-man>bah, i'm just going to try the netinst again
00:06<klys>focher: did you mke2fs ?
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00:06<klys>k-man: you don't need an md0
00:06<Focher>klys: I don't want to destroy what is on there
00:06<k-man>i don't?
00:06<Focher>I am trying to recover the data off it, now reformat
00:07<klys>k-man: lvm is a partitioning scheme, not a raid array
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00:07<k-man>klys: im not sure what your point is?
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00:08<k-man>i still have to tell the kernel where to find root don't i?
00:08<Barbo_BR>hi people
00:08<klys>k-man: the device you are trying to read grom your kernel messages is probably there. if not it will be there after your initrd executes
00:08<klys>barbo: hil
00:09<Barbo_BR>how can i go to a place that speak portuguese?
00:09<dpkg>well, po is Piss Off or Post Office
00:10<klys>had enough
00:10<dpkg>i guess po is Piss Off or Post Office
00:10<Barbo_BR>wats piss off?
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00:10<dpkg>from memory, off is the opposite of on
00:10<Larks>gnight guys
00:11<Larks>thanks for the help.
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00:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:13<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:13<klys>have to tell all the girls in kindergarten now who's pt
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00:17<Barbo_BR>bye people, i'm going to #debian-br seeyaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:17<predder>what's the deal with an increasing number of packages putting things in /etc/default?
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00:18<predder>Is there some sort of directory structure "standard" for Debian publication I can read?
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00:20<lanceallott>predder: yea, I think its called the LSB = Linux Standards Base
00:20<klys>predder: /etc/default is the boot-time defaults
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00:24<predder>klys, okay? So, for example, why would an application put some options in its traditional /etc/program config file and others in /etc/defaults/program name
00:24<predder>lanceallott, thanks, looking now
00:24<klys>predder: keep in mind the /etc/init.d scripts read from /etc/defaults
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00:29<predder>klys, what do you mean? It was my understanding that /etc/init.d/ scripts read from wherever they are told to read from? Or are you saying it's an LSB thing that init scripts should only read from /etc/default and nowhere else?
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00:29<klys>predder: it's just a matter of where things are kept by default. debian/sysv defaults are conformist, though not as bad as redhat systems
00:30<lanceallott>predder: there is also the FHS = Filesystem Hierachy Standard @
00:32<predder>The reason I'm interested in this is I noticed a few config files had popped up in the directory under etch where the sarge packages did not touch the directory. Then, I just read /etc/login.defs stuff is being moved to /etc/defaults/useradd in the next version of Debian so I was trying to determine the reasoning for this
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00:33<predder>lanceallott, thanks, I just started reading the LSB docs, I'll take a look at that too
00:33<Focher>so I am pretty stuffed with my RAID1? Seems strange that I can have both devices from a RAID1 config with uncorrupted data but no method for recovering it
00:34<lanceallott>I think the fhs stuff is more upto date
00:34<klys>hey, is there a standardized unix source for /etc/groups ?
00:34<Focher>are there any utils to scan a drive and try to recover files?
00:35<klys>focher: recover deleted files? or fsck?
00:35<klys>there's fsck -rC /
00:35<predder>Focher, what's your problem?
00:35<klys>but don't run that
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00:35<klys>only run it when you've loaded linux like init=/bin/sh and root is readonly
00:35<klys>the reboot afterwards
00:36<Focher>predder: I had a RAID1 config that someone lost the configuration but the data was untouched. I have managed to re-assemble the RAID on /dev/md0 but cannot mount it
00:36<Focher>fsck basically refuses to run on it, complaining about a corrupted superblock
00:37<predder>does fsck run on block devices or mounted filesystems?
00:37<predder>I assume you're using mdadm?
00:37<Focher>I tried it against the block device. Yes, using mdadm
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00:37<klys>focher: you might have lost the data already. try mounting just one of the drives, or, if you want, fsck -Rc -b 8193
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00:37<Focher>I can't mount the re-assembled raid
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00:38<klys>using an alternate superblock establishes that your fs isn't fubar
00:38<Focher>I tried using alternate superblocks with no success
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00:38<predder>mdadm does not require a config file to work, it identifies the raid components by scanning a partition for a superblock and matching it with other devices. I trust you did not re-create a raid on the device as that would corrupt the superblock
00:40<predder>regardless, I would personally be pulling one disc out and using a livecd, making sure the drives are not scanned by mdadm and attempting to mount the filesystem from the parition /dev/sdx# directly (read only of course)
00:43<Focher>I didn't. And doing a mdadm -Q /dev/hdc2 and /dev/hdd2 both show the same UUID as their RAID
00:43<Focher>predder: pretty much what I have done. I am in Knoppix right now
00:44<predder>but you said you're accessing an md device so you're still using mdadm?
00:45<predder>I would try stopping mdadm and try mount from the drive directly
00:45<Focher>predder: yeah, I was able to re-assemble the RAID with mdadm.
00:45<predder>(you can always start it again)
00:45<Focher>can I mount a linux raid partition directly?
00:45<klys>only if you have the md0
00:45<predder>Hmm, I thought you could
00:46<Focher>that's what I thought
00:46<Focher>I don't think I can use mount against it
00:46<klys>if it's raid1, mount just one of them and your md0 is sizzle until you restore
00:46<predder>I could be mistaking
00:47<klys>mount it readonly, and it will change the mount count in your superblock
00:47<predder>that's true, next time you mount mdadm will detect one device has newer data and will subsequently reconstruct the array on the other drive
00:47<Focher>that seems like pretty much the same thing that I have already done - except cannot mount md0, only was able to reassemble it
00:47<Focher>but my problem now is that I cannot mount it
00:47<Focher>it's there, just cannot mount
00:48<klys>man mount, specify an alternate superblock
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00:48<klys>the list of superblocks is given when you did mke2fs
00:48<Focher>is there a util to scan for superblocks?
00:49<Focher>I never did mke2fs because the raid came out of a nas with embedded linux
00:49<klys>use math
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00:51<predder>mdadm --detail --scan ? Or are those md superblocks different from filesystem superblocks?
00:52<Focher>ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 spares=1 UUID=0c026bf6:f7fd6332:4d256eb1:39712eb1
00:52<klys>lessee, raid1 is different from raid0 how?
00:53<Focher>no striping
00:53<klys>you have raid1 mirrors then?
00:53<Focher>essentially, I have 2 copies of exactly the same drive
00:53<klys>not raid0 mirrors
00:53<lanceallott>copies of the superblock are made in intervals of 8192 blocks like 8192, 16385..and so on
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00:54<Focher>it's raid1
00:55<Focher>fsck -r will ensure it just scans but doesn't write anything, correct?
00:55<lanceallott>fsck -b <superblock> Typicall, you'll try -b 8193 in non-interactive mode to restore a bad superblock
00:56<klys>ok raid0 is just striping, carry o
00:56<klys>fsck -r : interactively repair the filesystem
00:56<klys>fsck -C : give progress meter
00:57<klys>fsck no arguments: nothing is written
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01:08<Focher>still bitches about no superblock
01:08<Focher>even when I use 8193 etc
01:08<klys>well, congratulations
01:09<Focher>is it worthwhile to just keep trying each potential superblock location by adding 8k to it?
01:09<klys>when you're desparate
01:09<klys>anything's worthwhile
01:09<klys>when you're not, sleep is worthwhile
01:10<Focher>I'm not desperate to solve it immediately. I am more interested in making sure I don't corrupt what I still have
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01:12<lanceallott>does dmesg show the drive as being detected
01:12<Focher>not during boot
01:13<Focher>the individual drives are
01:13<Focher>but not the raid
01:13<Focher>interesting dmesg entry
01:13<Focher>EXT2-fs error (device md0): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 4352 not in group (block 12078)!
01:13<Focher>EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!
01:14<lanceallott>sounds like a drive is dying, rather than a superblock problem
01:15<lanceallott>or doa
01:15<Focher>seems like I would have gotten a SMART error indication
01:15<Focher>or a message from /proc/mdstats
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01:18<lanceallott>I think SMART is a utiltiy that has to be loaded and ran, it doesn't launch automatically
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01:19<Focher>lanceallott: naw, you will get smart messages in the post at boot
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01:29<giblets>I recently changed from Kubuntu Edgy eft to Debian, and I cant figure out how to set up my screenshotting ability, it jsut seems to be non existant on debian
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01:31<dpkg>screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd
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01:31<Maulkin>You can also do it with a gnome panel applet
01:31<Maulkin>giblets: ^^
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01:38<Focher>shit! I downloaded some ext2 recovery software and it is showing the files
01:40<lanceallott>mount a working drive and start copying
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01:40<Focher>I can't mount it!
01:41<Focher>it's just this software that does a raw scan
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01:41<lanceallott>can you ssh in from a remote machine and do it !
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01:43<lanceallott>or if you are running kde try fish
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01:44<vasi>ooh fish rocks
01:45<lanceallott>vasi: very handy indeed
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01:45<vasi>gnome-vfs has some sort of equivalent via "connect to server" in nautilus
01:45<vasi>but i've always preferred fish somehow
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01:47<lanceallott>I like fish because it just works!! kinda like samba
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01:51<jak3w>first time on deb (linux in general) in a year or so, i apologize for asking such a dumb question but i could not find it on google. i am trying to install apache2 but it sais i need the install cd, and i lost it, what can i do?
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01:52<vasi>you shouldn't need a CD...
01:52<vasi>could you be more specific about how you're trying to install it?
01:53<cahoot>jak3w, you could paste your apt.conf on a pastebin
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01:53<litage>if ``traceroute -In -p 22'' says it takes 250ms to reach the host, why would ssh'ing and scp'ing to that same host take >60 seconds before prompting for a password?
01:53<vasi>litage, reverse DNS lookup
01:53<cahoot>litage, hostname loopkup failing?
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01:55<Focher>jak3w: try "apt-get install apache2" from a terminal
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01:56<jak3w>im on etch, im trying to install with apt
01:56<pabs>my laptop keyboard has a key combo that suspends to ram (it is marked 'Stand by'). it works fine from virtual consoles, but since gnome-power-manager was introduced, it doesn't seem to work under gnome (just locks the screen). Anyone have any tips on how I might fix that?
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01:56<jak3w>it gives me this message, Media change: please insert the disc labeled
01:56<jak3w> 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20070407-11:55'
01:56<jak3w>in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
01:56<cahoot>jak3w, my guess is you have a cdrom entry in apt.conf
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02:00<lanceallott>jak3w: get root in a terminal and run dselect then choose 0: [A]ccess
02:02<lanceallott>pick a mirror and it will re-write /etc/apt/sources.list for you
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02:07<litage>vasi, cahoot: i don't think that's the problem, cuz the ip address from which i'm ssh'ing ( has an FQDN associated with it. ``dig -x'' returns ""
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02:15<jak3w>wrong aterm :p
02:15<fxiny>oh nice password ;)
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02:17<vasi>litage, maybe the ip TO which you're sshing has DNS issues?
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02:18<vasi>litage: (since your symptom usually happens to me when my ISP's dns server dies)
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02:20<litage>vasi: possible, though i just ssh'd from a different subnet, and that connected in a few seconds
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02:20<vasi>hmm :-(
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02:21<jak3w>thanks for the help
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02:21<jak3w>got er' running.
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02:23<vasi>litage, i don't know if there's a channel for openssh somewhere, but that's probably your best bet
02:23<vasi>i'm sure sshd can do debug logging which would make it all clear, i just have no idea how and not the time to find out
02:24<cahoot>ssh -v ?
02:24<vasi>cahoot, i think that only logs the client stuff
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02:24<litage>vasi: yeah, i'll look for an ssh channel. unfortunately i don't have root perms on the destination box
02:24<lanceallott>jak3w: good work
02:25<vasi>litage, does sshing to other boxen work fine?
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02:25<litage>vasi: yep
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02:25<vasi>so it's only this particular combination of client/server, eww
02:26<litage>vasi: yeah
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02:29<litage>it's so strange, cuz traceroute from both clients takes the same amount of time to the same destination: 233ms
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02:35<lanceallott>I have a question I've been waiting to ask about the app VirtualBox
02:36<lanceallott>the manual states that the version numbrs of the feader file packages must be the same as that of the running kernel
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02:38<lanceallott>I have kernel 2.6.15-1 running but linux-kernel-header 2.6.18-7 also installed
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02:38<lanceallott>what can I do to get these numbers identical
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02:42<vasi>lanceallott, how'd you get the different versions in the first place?
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02:42<vasi>have you updated all your installed pkgs?
02:42<lanceallott>vasi: it all happened when I dist-upgraded from sarge to etch
02:43<jaak>greetings, I have little problem virh apt/aptitude I'm trying to reinstall mysql-server, but reinstalling does not create /var/lib/mysql folder? is it created by mysql-server pagakge or by some other package?
02:43<vasi>lanceallott, first check what apt-get thinks is the newest version for those packages
02:44<lanceallott>vidda: actually I did a kernel rebuild with sarge, because I have lots of memory and 2.6.8 wasn't seeing it
02:44<jaak>same problem was when I removed apache2 with apt-get and deleted deliberately /etc/apache2 folder, upon installing /etc/apache2 folder wasnt created
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02:45<vasi>lanceallott, ah so you're running your custom (oldish) kernel
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02:45<vasi>i think you should either use the stock kernel (and hopefully now it sees your RAM)
02:45<lanceallott>and when I did the dist-upgrade it left the custom kernel in place but installed the 2.6.18-7 kernel -headers
02:46<vasi>or build a new custom kernel from newer sources
02:46<dondelelcaro>jaak: apache2 is not the package which contains /etc/apache2.
02:46<lanceallott>do you think I could patch it
02:46<vasi>it = ?
02:46<lanceallott>and then rebuild
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02:47<dondelelcaro>jaak: you want confmiss with reinstall and the exact package (apache2-common or apache2.2-common) that provides it
02:47<vasi>ah, well usually it's best to apply YOUR patch to the new sources
02:47<vasi>rather than applying the kernel patch to your modified old sources
02:47<dondelelcaro>jaak: as far as /var/lib/mysql goes, it's in mysql-server-5.0 or whatever the actual server package is
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02:48<lanceallott>I mean patch 2.6.15-1 with 2.6.18-7
02:48<dondelelcaro>jaak: use dpkg -S or apt-file if you're unsure.
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02:48[~]vasi whispers 'dlocate' in dondelelcaro's direction :-)
02:49<dondelelcaro>vasi: this assumes that you have dlocate installed
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02:49<vasi>dondelelcaro, true
02:50<dondelelcaro>(and also that its crontab has run in between installing packages)
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02:51<lanceallott>vasi: isn't there some way to modify the makefile so that only the version number is changed
02:51<dondelelcaro>lanceallott: you don't patch it; you install the headers package which matches your running kernel, or you point whatever your compiling at the headers of the currently running kernel.
02:51<dondelelcaro>lanceallott: and no, changing the version number isn't going to do you any good. There's a reason why the version numbers have to match.
02:51<vasi>otherwise, things go boom
02:52<dondelelcaro>lanceallott: if you can't find the headers which match your running kernel, upgrade to 2.6.18-7 or whatever is in etch, update your menu.lst or lilo.conf and reboot.
02:52<lanceallott>For Linux 2.6, we strongly recommend using version 2.6.13 or higher for better performance.However, version 2.6.18 (and some 2.6.17 versions) introduced a race condition that can cause boot crashes in VirtualBox; if you must use a kernel >= 2.6.17, we advise to use 2.6.19 or later.
02:53<lanceallott>no kernel-headers can i find for 2.6.19 or above
02:54<dondelelcaro>so use a custom built 2.6.21 or .22 or get it from unstable.
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02:56<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to set up bluetooth on my etch but I don't know how. I have bluetooth enable and hcitool dev gives me my bt address
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02:56<bcochofel>But my nokia 6600 doesn't seen to find my PC
02:56<jaak>dondelelcaro: no /var/lib/mysql is mentioned in mysql-server pkg, so it is created by other pkg-s
02:57<bcochofel>What do I need to put in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?
02:57<bcochofel>My PC finds my nokia though
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02:59<lanceallott>but all I need is for the version numbers is to be the same , do you think installing kernel-headers 2.6.-686-all would suffice
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03:02<lanceallott>bcochofel: the Linux Journal for September 2007 has an article covering bluetooth
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03:03<c0rnd0g>oh HI lance
03:03<c0rnd0g>how are you?
03:03<dpkg>just great, c0rnd0g
03:03<c0rnd0g>good dpkg, how is lanceallott?
03:04<lanceallott>doing good
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03:04<lanceallott>got a little version number problem
03:04<c0rnd0g>then don't do versioning mixing :)
03:05<c0rnd0g>that is kind of hydraphilic :)
03:05<lanceallott>purly by accident I assure you
03:06<bcochofel>lanceallott: sorry, don't have that
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03:07<lanceallott>I want to try VirtualBox but the user guide has me freaked out about running kernel vs. kernel-headers version numbers matching
03:09<lanceallott>and I'am too chicken to get on IRC kernelorg
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03:12<lanceallott>bcochofel: it just sez to install the BlueZ package
03:12<bcochofel>I have, and I have change the hcid.conf
03:13<bcochofel>and I can find my phone but my phone doesn't find the pc
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03:15<lanceallott>here is what is sez... open the file /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf and change name 'BlueZ %h (%d)"; to "BlueZ mycomputername";
03:16<lanceallott>next create a PIN for the computer to acess the cell phone
03:17<lanceallott>Open the /etc/bluetooth/pin.file and add the following: PIN:1234
03:17<lanceallott>then restart bluetooth
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03:19<bcochofel>lanceallott: I don't have /etc/bluetooth/pin.file
03:19<lanceallott>it may be part of your hcid.conf file and called a passkey instead of a PIN
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03:22[~]vastinfest tuomkart..
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03:23<bcochofel>lanceallott: ok, that I already done
03:24<lanceallott>bcochofel: some cell phones hav a "Find Me" mode that needs to be turned on take a look at your phones Bluetooth connection menu
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03:25<bcochofel>lanceallott: my pc finds my phone, my phone doens't find my pc
03:25<bcochofel>I have the find me option turned on
03:25<bcochofel>on my phone I mean
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03:26<lanceallott>to see your cell phone #hcitool scan
03:26<oddtod>hey guys non debian question but does any one know of a product that you can hook up a monitor keyboard and mouse ports on a machine and have them go into your PC and have control of this machine through USB. I'm not looking for a KVM i'm looking for almost a KVM mixed with a VMware
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03:27<bcochofel>lanceallott: and with that I see my phone. The problem is that my phone doesn't see the PC
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03:29<lanceallott>bcochofel: maeby your phone provider lied to you about bluetooth capability
03:29<lanceallott>just kidding... I don't have a clue
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03:30<bcochofel>lanceallott: nop. I had it working when I was using SuSE, but SuSE configs all the things like it was a "secret"
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03:32<lanceallott>trying copying the hcid.conf from SuSE and put it into debian
03:32<bcochofel>lanceallott: don't have that anymore
03:33<bcochofel>lanceallott: remove SuSE and went upstairs for debian
03:33<lanceallott>are you running KDE by chance
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03:35<bcochofel>lanceallott: nop
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03:36<lanceallott>just checking, kde has a nice gui interface for bluetooth
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03:38<lanceallott>bcochofel: well if your pc sees your phone but your phone doesn't see the pc, then there must be some setting on the phone that needs to be turned on
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03:39<lanceallott>but to be on the safe side the article sez to run lsmod | grep blue
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03:41<lanceallott>and you should see something like bluetooth 41060 14 hidp,rfcomm,12cap,hci_usb
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03:43<lanceallott>also do dmesg and confirm that you have a bunch of bluetooth entries like core, HCI device/socket, L2CAP. RFCOMM, HIDP
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03:46<bcochofel>bluetooth 46628 7 rfcomm,l2cap,hci_usb
03:46<bcochofel>don't have hidp
03:46<k-man__>so does lvm sit on top of software raid?
03:46<petemc>it can do
03:47<k-man__>i have an lvm partitioned drive
03:47<k-man__>i want to add another drive and mirror the two
03:47<k-man__>is that easy to do?
03:47<petemc>that sounds like under, rather than on top
03:47<k-man__>without destroying the data of course
03:47<petemc>im not so sure you can
03:48<k-man__>yeah... it does sound rather like that doesn;t it?
03:48<petemc>you can do mirroring with lvm on aix, dont think you can with the linux implementation
03:49<k-man__>is there a debian install that can install onto raid?
03:49<lanceallott>bcochofel: HIDP = Bluetooth (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.1
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03:50<bcochofel>lanceallott: ok, I don't have that but I guess I won't need it
03:50<petemc>k-man__: yes, the debian installer supports sw raid and whatever hardware raid the linux kernel supports
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03:50<bcochofel>and my dmesg only gives me Shorewall messages
03:50<bcochofel>wich by the way I want to not log (at least all...)
03:50<k-man__>petemc, hmm... i didn't see the raid options when I was installing
03:51<gsimmons>k-man__: You need to define partitions and allocate them as "physical RAID volumes" before partman provides the "Configure software RAID" option.
03:51<k-man__>gsimmons, looks like I'll be reinstalling tomorrow then
03:51<lanceallott>in the article dmesg | grep
03:52<lanceallott>Blue shows about 10 entries
03:52<k-man__>gsimmons, can one make / on the raid array?
03:52<gsimmons>k-man__: Once a MD device is established (with whatever RAID level you prefer), you can create your LVM et al on it.
03:52<k-man__>gsimmons, right
03:52<k-man__>i'll do that tomorrow then
03:52<k-man__>i'm at home now
03:54<bcochofel>lanceallott: I don't have any!
03:56<lanceallott>bcochofel: the article just sez what it should look like, not what to do if it isn't there :(
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03:57<bcochofel>lanceallott: ok, thx anyway
03:57<bcochofel>lanceallott: here's goes google
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03:58<lanceallott>the title of the article this article is Hacking
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03:58<lanceallott>Hacking Cell Phones via Bluetooth Tools Under Linux
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04:01<bcochofel>lanceallott: can't read that, not a member
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04:25<Branden>FIOS!!! :O
04:25<Branden>Sorry. :P
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04:47<mikkelorz>hi how do i view the startup log file?
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04:47<mikkelorz>more specifically not the kernel.. the rc where wpa_supplicant starts :)
04:48<mikkelorz>i cant seem to find anything using dmesg :/
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04:49<blarson>mikkelorz: Look in /var/log/syslog
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04:50<mikkelorz>blarson: thank you
04:50<cahoot>mikkelorz, elseenable bootlogd
04:50<cahoot>in /etc/default/bootlogd
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04:51<mikkelorz>it logs all output from startup?
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04:51<otjeooh>I want to search/replace one line in a text file, nothing fancy. What's the easiest command line tool to do this?
04:52<alex__>ranix, pm
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04:53<mikkelorz>otjeooh: well it's not easy.. but perl does the trick for me :)
04:53<blarson>otjeooh: sed ?
04:54<petemc>sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' *
04:54<otjeooh>yeah I know I have used both in the past, but it always took me more time than needed because they are too advanced for what I want
04:54<otjeooh>and I only use them say once a month so I forget all syntax :)
04:54<petemc>its not exactly complicated
04:55<otjeooh>I know, but not if you don't use them much
04:55<petemc>what would you imagine would be easier?
04:55<mikkelorz>otjeooh: well if you dont need to run it in shell as such how about some gui editor?
04:56<otjeooh>no it's for shell
04:56<otjeooh>and it's not a complaint to debian/linux or whatever
04:56<otjeooh>but when I open 'man sed' there's already too much options and I have to find the "-i" option and stuff
04:56<petemc>i fail to see why its hard to remember one letter, but whatever
04:56<mikkelorz>just thinking.. if you dont need it to be done automatically you're problably faster off doing it with Kedit or something :)
04:57<fxiny>i am a big fun of sed but when it comes to perl i go MAD , do it inplace :$ perl -i -p -e 's/foo/bar/g;' files
04:57<fxiny>fun ?
04:57<otjeooh>petemc: it's not, but when you only use them once a month/half year
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04:57<petemc>otjeooh: so, answer my question, what do you think would be easier/better ?
04:58<otjeooh>the yellow post-it note which I'm going to add to my monitor right now :)
04:58<mikkelorz>think nano can search and replace can't it?
04:58<otjeooh>or some command which only can do "sed -i"
04:58<fxiny>easiest as in lazyness ? is see no easy way ...
04:58<otjeooh>I'm not lazy :)
04:58<fxiny>i am :)
04:58<otjeooh>just not using it much
04:59<petemc>laziness is a virtue
04:59<fxiny>learn once and forget :)
04:59<fxiny>petemc: true !
04:59<blarson>otjeooh: Write down your own notes? Or create a shell script?
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05:00<fxiny>note ? just use note
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05:10<mikkelorz>is there a pastebin?
05:10<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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05:14<WildOS>What channel is suitable for asking a NetBeans question?
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05:15<mikkelorz>i need help setting up wpa_supplicant properly.. i followed the guide @ debian_administration but alas no luck..
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05:16<mikkelorz>been at it for days.. the documentation is just too cryptic for a sad newbie like me :/
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05:19<dli>mikkelorz, read the wpa_supplicant of this gentoo howto:
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05:20<mikkelorz>thanks will do
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05:48<jaak>qmail isnt no longer used with debian? I my self have used postfix only but I need to upgrade Free BSD 3.x with qmail to Debian, as much I have read from google qumail isnt choice for debian. I'm I correct?
05:49<weasel>qmail is non-free
05:49<gsimmons>jaak: It's available as Debian as a source package ('qmail-src'). You'd need to build the binaries yourself.
05:50<gsimmons>s/available as/available in/
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05:54<jaak>I found lots of articles about qmailadmin web GUI, that it wout build for etch because ezmlm, but before I start to frighten end-users (mail box owners), I would like to know is there any future for qmail+vpopmail+qmailadmin under debian
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06:33<io_>ci ho un problema con kde che nn mi fa aprire aMSN
06:33<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
06:34<io_>mi potete dare una mano a risolvere il problema
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06:37<sven>!ati oneliner
06:37<sven>!ati onel-iner
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06:38<sven>!ati one-liner
06:38<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable
06:39<sven>!fglrx one-liner
06:39<dpkg>rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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06:39<kynarion>i've got a problem with ntfs3g dependencies: libc6 - conflicts with tzdata
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06:40<jlxu>i have a puzzle, why there is no gcc on etch default install
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06:41<gsimmons>jlxu: 'gcc' and others had their priorities reduced for Etch. You can install the 'build-essential' package to bring in most of these if needed.
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06:42<sven>!non-free sources
06:42<dpkg>from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
06:42<jlxu>thank you :)
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06:43<padski>what could I give a user to replace outlook calendaring
06:44<padski>for extra marks, an application that runs on winXP also :-)
06:45<jlxu>greate it works
06:46<jlxu>thank you gsimmons
06:46<gsimmons>jlxu: np
06:48<fxiny>padski: mozilla sunbird ?
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06:50<padski>fxiny: yeah, using thunderbird already, so it's worth a look. I was just looking at evolution, didn't realise there was a win32 build.
06:50<fxiny>padski: evo is very good m kde has a nive calendar as weel. you asked for something running on xp
06:51<padski>fxiny: looks like it does see
06:51<fxiny>padski: evo is very good , kde has a nive calendar as well. you asked for something running on xp :)
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06:52<kynarion>plz help me :|
06:52<fxiny>padski: did not know it , much better evo then mozilla
06:52<padski>fxiny: I don't seem to get on with PIM software, but the kde stuff feels wrong to me.
06:53<padski>fxiny: do you use evo, is it any good these days ? last time I looked it was buggy as hell and (at least some of) the code was spagetti
06:53<fxiny>padski: i don't . i am a mutt servant :)
06:53<fxiny>mutt is my god
06:53<padski>fxiny: snap :-)
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07:04<mikkelorz>hm how do i remove individual packages from the default kde installation without apt going crazy and removing all dependencies?
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07:04<valdyn>mikkelorz: give us what exactly is bothering you
07:05<mikkelorz>for example.. i try to remove the "fun" educational programs from kde.. then apt says kde is a dependent pack
07:05<mikkelorz>and wants to remove all of kde :]
07:05<mikkelorz>cant have that
07:05<valdyn>mikkelorz: removing the package "kde" does not remove "all of kde"
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07:05<mikkelorz>sec i'll show you the output
07:06<weasel>valdyn: it might, when aptitude tries to be smart
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07:08<mikkelorz>well in this case i'd say it does hehe:
07:08<mikkelorz>The following packages will be REMOVED:
07:08<mikkelorz> kanagram kde kde-amusements kdeedu
07:08<valdyn>mikkelorz: that's hardly all of kde
07:08<mikkelorz>it's only when i try to purge stuff that comes pre-installed with the kde version of etch
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07:10<mikkelorz>valdyn: looks like the kde package to me ?:( i dare not type yes in the dialog
07:10<valdyn>mikkelorz: it is the package 'kde', that is not 'all of kde', that's just one package that contains no programs
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07:11<dpkg>it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers
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07:12<mikkelorz>thanks Eulex
07:12<Eulex>yw. the kde package is such a package.
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07:12<mikkelorz>and valdyn for putting my mind at ease
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07:13<mikkelorz>thought it was apt being "clever" :)
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07:16<mikkelorz>one more thing.. is it possible to remove packages using descriptions.. like "games" for example.. they're all useless anyway :)
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07:18<Eulex>try aptitude
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07:19<fxiny>beware of the aptitude terminator mode :P
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07:21<mikkelorz>think my kmenu will be sorted nicely in a sec =)
07:22<valdyn>!info debtags etch
07:22<dpkg>debtags: (Enables support for package tags), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.6 (etch), Packaged size: 644 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
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07:27<davkaw>msg NickServ REGISTER kawalae
07:29<Berge>davkaw: Congratulations.
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07:30<enkrypt>what is "the debian way" to execute a specific command (as root) at bootup?
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07:31<fpiat>enkrypt, create a file named /etc/rc.local
07:31<enkrypt>it's already there :p
07:32<enkrypt>can I just put commands in there? they will get executed as root?
07:32<fpiat>enkrypt, usually, you don't need id.
07:32<enkrypt>well the thing is, I need to turn on something in my /proc filesystem, each time at boot
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07:33<enkrypt>so I need a place to put that command, so that it gets executed each time when I boot up
07:33<fpiat>enkrypt, it has to be a shell script (start with "#!/bin/sh" and "chmod 755 /etc/rc.local")
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07:33<enkrypt>indeed, thanks fpiat
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07:34<weasel>enkrypt: /etc/sysctl.conf?
07:34<fatal_>does anyone know if Debian Etch will install without any needed tweaking on a Dell PowerEdge 860 server? (Apparently megaraid sas controller and bnx2 network driver... do they have all needed pci-ids and stuff?)
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07:36<fpiat>enkrypt, what /proc do you need to set ?
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07:43<WildOS>Is it possible to enter a command to start a program as superuser? I am using kdevelop and netbeans when making applications, and I want to do this without being su. When I hit F5 to run my compiled program, however, I have to be su (It includes functions that requires this e.g. to change to RT priority). Is it possible to run the program as superuser without starting kdevelop/netbeans as su?
07:45<mikkelorz>WildOS: do visudo to configure sudo :]
07:45<WildOS>Thanks =)
07:47<mikkelorz>hm there goes the game section
07:47<gsimmons>fatal_: The only issue you may encounter is with access to the real-time clock (see bug #402823). An installation report would be appreciated for that server.
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07:55<fatal_>gsimmons: ok, thanks.... I've not yet bought one, but will file if I do..... (btw, if you have any other recommendation for a cheap server to run etch on that would be appreciated. :P)
07:55<jak_>hi. is it possible to tell [o/u/e]hci_hcd to make usb devices mountable as "/dev/sdc" instead of "/dev/sda" ? THX
07:56[~]fxiny celebrates Gnome 10th birthday with a fine beer
07:56<fxiny>the baby is alive and kicking :)
07:56<Knight_Lord>I took a disk from a controller and put it back again and now the disk reports half its native capacity. Does anyone have a clue to what might have happened?
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08:01<mikkelorz>anyone ever gotten a w880i working with Kontact sync via bluetooth?
08:01<fpiat>jak_, why don't you want is to be sda ?
08:01<larsus>Knight_Lord: What does qtparted say about the disk?
08:01<jak_>fpiat: cause i got a vm running which has its root dev mounted as sda1 (at the same time) and i cant tell the vm to use another device
08:02<mikkelorz>jak_ make a link
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08:03<jak_>mikkelorz: dont understand what you mean
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08:03<fpiat>jak_, a vm ? do you mean inside the vm ? also, have a look at /dev/disk automatic symlinks.
08:03<jak_>fpiat: yes, from inside the vm, fdisk /dev/sda gives me the partition table from the usb device i want to mount and at the same time, its mounted as /
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08:05<Knight_Lord>larsus what is qtparted?
08:08<Valombre>partition editor with a qt graphical interface
08:08<Knight_Lord>there are no partitions on the disk
08:08<Knight_Lord>larsus ^
08:09<fpiat>jak_, i am not sure i understand your problem. what's your vm ? what's your vm's primary disk [from vm guest point of ] ? (can you pastebin 'fdisk -l', /etc/fstab and '/proc/cmdline' )
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08:11<jak_>fpiat: its not related to the vm, my mtab looks like /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) then a bunch of standard entries proc, sysfs, etc
08:12<jak_>fpiat: i just want to tell ehci_hcd that it should make the usb device mountable as /dev/sdB NOT /dev/sdA
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08:16<gsimmons>fatal_: You might be interested in the ProLiant DL320 G5 from HP. I haven't had any issues with installing/using Etch on a DL360 G5.
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08:18<fpiat>jak_, the vm guest and host device names should be independent (Virtual..). for instance, under qemu, you could say " -hdc=/dev/sda "
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08:20<jak_>fpiat: im using xen and i tried to do that, but it does not seem to work
08:21<petemc>thats how xen works...
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08:22<apecat>i have an old dell inspiron 2500 i run debian etch on at the moment. When the machine is started without the power cord, the clock frequency is dropped from 800 mhz to 700 mhz, which makes the whole experience of using the machine in the lap much more comfortable since it runs cooler. what would i use to manually set the clock frequency in gnu/linux?
08:22<venkatesh>does it use speedstep to set frequencies?
08:22<petemc>powernowd can do that, tho i last used it a few years ago
08:23<venkatesh>cpufrequtils is there also
08:23<apecat>hmm, dunno what it uses, it's a pentium 3m
08:23<venkatesh>but the easiest way is to echo the right governor into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
08:24<venkatesh>so 'powersave' would run on lowest freq. all the time
08:24<fxiny>apecat: i have a 400/200 PII . i can set it in the bios
08:24<fpiat>jak_, i guess you have something like "disk = [ 'phy:vg1/disk0,w', 'phy:vg1/disk1,sda2,w'.."
08:24<WildOS>Running my app as sudo worked perfectly fine from the shell, but is it possible to enter sudo when running the executable from a program like kdevelop or netbeans? all I can find is run arguments to the main function :(
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08:25<apecat>carp, my boss called, i thought id have time to play with this now, but no luck -->
08:25<venkatesh>WildOS, setuid
08:25<fpiat>venkatesh, cpufrequtils has "cpufreq-set -g performance"
08:26<jak_>fpiat: correct, i have a line disk= [image=...,sdc,...] since i tried to tell xen that it should use sdc or something different than sda
08:26<jak_>fpiat: (im not using a physical device)
08:27<WildOS>venkatesh: setuid(2) ?
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08:28<venkatesh>if you chmod u+s the binary, it will be able to run as a different user
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08:28<fpiat>fpiat, you might want to try something like 'phy:/dev/sda,sdc,w' since the usb disk is a physical disk.
08:28<venkatesh>then give it to root, it will run as root
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08:38<WildOS>venkatesh: Thanks, the chmod u+s worked fine =) what exactly does it do?
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08:41<noflash>WildOS, man chmod ?
08:41<Tuplad>I downloaded the Debian ISO a couple of days ago (the 650mb one with kde - 1 disk only) and burned it on a CD. But now I'm thinking, should I extract the ISO first or just burn the iso on the cd ?
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08:42<WildOS>noflash: couldn't find the 's' parameter when using man and info :(
08:42<Eulex>Tuplad, did you burn it as an image or as a file?
08:43<Eulex>and well, an iso file isn't an archive. you do not extract it.
08:43<Eulex>(if you don't know exactly what you're doing)
08:44<WildOS>noflash: set user group id, found it :)
08:44<Tuplad>Eulex: I just burned it with the windows' default tools, I dragged the ISO to the empty cd window and then burned it
08:44<Tuplad>Eulex: 7zip can extract isos :]
08:46<Eulex>Tuplad, I never said you can't extract the files from it. I said that you shouldn't, and that an image isn't an archive. you _will_ lose data if you extract the files form the iso and just burn the files. in any case, open up the cd, take a look at the contents. does it contain one file that is the iso image, or the files that are inside the iso?
08:46<Tuplad>ah, ok :)
08:46<Tuplad>it only contains the ISO file
08:47<Eulex>throw the cd away, it's useless
08:47<Tuplad>:( crap
08:47<mikkelorz>Tuplad: you can use imgburn on windows to burn iso's properly
08:47<Tuplad>that's why I couldn't boot ^_^
08:47<Eulex>get a new one, and burn the iso file as an _image_ (no, I don't know how to do that with the builtin tools in windows)
08:47<mikkelorz>Eulex: dont think there is one such thing ;)
08:48<Eulex>mikkelorz, great :>
08:48<padski>they also make good mirrors!
08:48<Tuplad>Eulex: screw the windows tools
08:48<mikkelorz>yeah windows cd burning has been crap all days hehe
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08:48<padski>point,click,point,click, rinse, repeat
08:49<mikkelorz>Tuplad: anyways check out imgburn.. it's free and as easy as just chosing which image to open and burn :)
08:49<Tuplad>already installd and burning >:]
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08:51<Eulex>well, the cd might be useful as a backup if you lose the cd with the image correctly burnt.
08:53<Tuplad>yup, it did come handy already
08:53<Tuplad>I deleted the iso from my pc yesterday :]
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08:55<Tuplad>Great! There goes Debian, my cd-rw is broke
08:56<mikkelorz>how so?
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08:58<Tuplad>now cd-rw is broken now :(
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09:01<brislingf>what packages do i need to install to use perl DBI with libapache-mod-perl2?
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09:01<brislingf>libapache2-mod-perl2 sry...
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09:03<mikkelorz>brislingf: libdbd-anydata-perl
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09:04<mikkelorz>anyways thats what apt suggests :]
09:05<vsrinivas>anyone here have any success using compiz with EXA?
09:06<brislingf>and anydata is that de db server ?
09:06<mikkelorz>brislingf: no
09:06<brislingf>sry my mistake
09:07<mikkelorz>you can add any db server you want it seems
09:08<brislingf>hmm didnt work :/
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09:09<brislingf>i get an syntax error at the use DBI; :(
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09:09<mikkelorz>im not much into perl im afraid :/
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09:10<padski>brislingf: libdbi-perl
09:10<gsimmons>brislingf: You'd want to install one of the libdbd-*-perl packages pertinent to the database server you're accessing (eg. 'libdbd-pg-perl' for the PostgreSQL interface).
09:10<brislingf>ive got that all ready :'(
09:11<brislingf>ive got mysql
09:11<padski>brislingf: in which case you should already have libdbi-perl also
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09:12<mikkelorz>well syntax errors usually means your code is wrong.. and the lib is installed :)
09:12<brislingf>and i've got libdbd-mysql-perl and its still makes the syntax error :/
09:13<brislingf>2 sec i will paste the script on
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09:14<mikkelorz>as far as code goes im no use :/ i only tamper.. when i go really wild lol
09:14<padski>brislingf: libdbi-perl is definitely all you need to 'use DBI;' (I just tested, just in case :-)
09:14<mikkelorz>with php*
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09:16<brislingf>but i cant see why apache cant load it in httpd.conf :/
09:16<gsimmons>brislingf: Your syntax error is at line 24.
09:16<brislingf>www2:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
09:16<brislingf>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...Syntax error on line 2 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf:
09:16<brislingf>syntax error at /etc/apache2/httpd.conf line 13, near ";\nor"\n
09:16<brislingf> failed!
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09:16<gsimmons>One of them, anyway.
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09:17<gsimmons>brislingf: Remove the unnecessary semi-colons from your connect, prepare and execute lines.
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09:17<brislingf>ill try that
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09:19<brislingf>trying to reload
09:19<brislingf>now i get an syntax error at line 19 and line 30
09:19<padski>brislingf: and you don't need quotes like "$db_user"
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09:24<Lin>hi there. what is wrong with this /etc/apt/preferences ( ) ? I want to pin greater priority to this repository: deb ./ but apt-cache polity keep telling me that all my repositories has priority 500, any tips? man apt_preferences do not tell me about the syntax.
09:24<brislingf>now we are down to one.. :(
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09:25<brislingf>Unknown typ DBI::st' for directive sth at /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/ line 187.\n
09:26<AzaTht>what is exactly udeb?
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09:27<dpkg>udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius
09:27<gsimmons>brislingf: You've two hyphens after $dbh in line 15, if you haven't corrected that already. You only require one.
09:27<padski>Lin: I'm not too hot with pinning myself, but try apt-cache policy
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09:32<fpiat>I am looking for a good IRC client, which could run with a transparent background (ideally, behind my gnome icons) ?
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09:32<petemc>irssi in a transparent terminal
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09:33<padski>fpiat: if it's going to be behind your gnome icons, what is it going to be in front of ?
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09:34<padski>fpiat: could you just run it in the root window ?
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09:35<fpiat>padski, wouldn't let me do any of those. i'm having a look at irssi..
09:36<fxiny>yeahhh join the cult
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09:37<Lin>padski: apt-cache policy is just to get information. I have used it to discover that my local rep isn't with priority 999 as I expected.
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09:39<arnaud>hello, I want to upgrade from sarge to etch, I changed my sources.list but I wander where is specified that I'm running amd64 architecture ?
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09:40<fatal_>arnaud: just looked myself for that information and found that dpkg --version was one place architecture was listed.
09:41<fatal_>arnaud: don't know the "proper" place to check though.... if anyone here knows, please enlighten me.
09:41<padski>Lin: I kinda suspected as much
09:42<themill>Lin: try removing the double quotes around the URL
09:42<arnaud>fatal_ : your was your upgrade all right when finished ?
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09:44<fatal_>arnaud: I didn't upgrade, just wondering which arch was installed on a couple of boxes that where all amd64 with 64bit kernels...... (wanted to know if they where amd64 installs with 64bit userland, or if they where i386 installs with 32bit userland and 64bit kernel).
09:44<fatal_>ie. uname -a didn't help me.
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09:46<arnaud>ok I understand
09:46<fatal_>arnaud: if the upgrade goes well probably much depends on which packages or more likely how you have them configured if everything goes smothly..... Read the release notes for etch to find out stuff you for sure need to fix manually.... also it might be a good idea to switch already in sarge things that where optional there, but only have one version in etch... (like kernel 2.6, if you're still running 2.4)
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09:49<fpiat>padski, thanks, i think irssi will do. (i'll have to get used to it tough)
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09:50<arnaud>thanks for the advice :)
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09:58<plm156>i have integrated/onboard i810 ac97 audio
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09:59<plm156>it does not output sound
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09:59<cahoot>i810_audio looks like an OSS module
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09:59<plm156>cahoot, i think it is
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10:00<plm156>do i need alsa drivers ?
10:00<cahoot>you don't want to mix alsa and oss
10:00<plm156>the snd0intel8x0 is alsa ?
10:00<plm156>the snd-intel8x0
10:01<cahoot>snd is the alsa prefix
10:01<plm156>i ll reboot
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10:02<padski>I have sysklogd and logrotate on etch. where are the settings for rotation of the /var/log/syslog file
10:02<fpiat>plm156, in the past, it had sometime helped me to simply run alsaconf (from a console, stop gdm first).
10:04<fpiat>padski, unless specified, files in /log are rotated using "/etc/logrotate.conf" settings.
10:07<fpiat>padski, my mistake, except syslog. see /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd
10:07<cahoot>IIRC the modern approach is dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
10:07<padski>fpiat: that's what I thought ...
10:07<padski>my /etc/logrotate.conf says weekly rotate 8, but I can see I have it set to daily rotate 14
10:07<padski>fpiat: thanks :-)
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10:23<plm156>fpiat, i have no alsa
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10:23<plm156>i made some alterations
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10:24<plm156>main problem is that the onborad audio apperas no-where even at boot-bios messages (the list of devices)
10:24<cahoot>according to your paste you use alsa
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10:24<cahoot>plm156, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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10:27<Kebianizao>I'd like to include the reiserfs tools into the initrd. Is there an automated way to do this so I don't have to manually redo it each time I update the initrd
10:28<green_earz>plm156: check out this link to see if you have the right module installed for you sound card >
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10:34<fpiat>plm156, does it works ? if no, what about /proc/asound/{cards,devices} ?
10:36<plm156>it said none loaded
10:36<plm156>even after reboot (it is on another pc)
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10:36<plm156>fpiat, just a minute please
10:36<cahoot>plm156, lspci doesn't show the sound device?
10:37<plm156>cahoot, no the only refrences are the dmesg messages at the end of the paste
10:37<plm156>references (the "SB" messages)
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10:39<cahoot>plm156, so those snd- modules that show up are loaded manually?
10:39<plm156>cahoot, yes
10:40<plm156>fpiat, no /proc/asound dir exists
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10:40<plm156>cahoot, the onboard is enabled by bios
10:40<plm156>onboard sound card
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10:41<cahoot>and that's the only sounddevice on the system?
10:41<fpiat>plm156, thanks to cahoot, i noticed that the Audio card isn't listed in lspci output. What motherboard is it ?
10:41<plm156>cahoot, yes
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10:42<cahoot>doesn't seem like it's an intel8x0 then
10:42<plm156>cahoot, bios says ac_97 audio
10:43<plm156>cahoot, but mainboard has i810 vga onboard
10:43<cahoot>not much help I believe
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10:43<plm156>cahoot, ok i will open the case and try to find out
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10:44<plm156>cahoot, i have to go
10:44<cahoot>try dmidecode first
10:44<plm156>thanks all for help
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11:08<Tuplad>yay! debian 4.0 installed :]
11:09<Tuplad>my new default system now
11:09<Kebianizao>Tuplad: congrats
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11:10<Tuplad>I do have a problem though, I can't figure out how to mount my D and E drive
11:10<Tuplad>both are 50gb drives with lots of information, fat32 :] I edited the fstab file with the (I think) correct info
11:11<cahoot>Tuplad, try msg dpkg vfatrw
11:11<Kebianizao>Tuplad: paste it please so we can have a lok
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11:11<Kebianizao>or that ^ :D
11:12<cahoot>Tuplad, actually /msg dpkg vfatrw
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11:15<Tuplad>one sec gonna try with the bot first
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11:17<Tuplad>this is my fstab:
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11:19<cahoot>Tuplad, any errors when you mount /media/D?
11:19<schlurchz>Hrm. After removing a NIC, what's the supposed way to get rid of the device assignment in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules? I've pretty much no clue about udev. :-/
11:19<Tuplad>cahoot: at boot I get "FAILED"
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11:20<cahoot>Tuplad, if you try now?
11:20<Tuplad>I will try now with the new info of dpkg
11:20<cahoot>Tuplad, don't change anything just try a manual mount
11:21<Tuplad>that won't work, I get an error
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11:21<cahoot>care to show the errormsg?
11:21<Tuplad>one moment
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11:22<Tuplad>it's Russian, but it comes down to: no access
11:22<Tuplad>I just go to system:/media and right click on 56G Media and use "Mount"
11:23<cahoot>Tuplad, open a term and run mount /media/D
11:24<schlurchz>cahoot: do new installs setup mountpoints like /media/D?
11:24<cahoot>schlurchz, I doubt that
11:24<Tuplad>cahoot: one moment, my terminal is crashing, brb I'll relog
11:24<cahoot>specualting the errormsg might give a clue to the real problem
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11:25<schlurchz>I don't get it. How should mounting /media/D work if it isn't there?
11:25<cahoot>schlurchz, do we know it isn't?
11:26<Kebianizao>schlurchz: what was your problem?
11:26<cahoot>he might have created it - no?
11:26<schlurchz>Kebianizao: I've removed a NIC from my box, and I find there's still a persistent udev rule sticking...
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11:27<schlurchz>Kebianizao: ... and I wonder how to get rid of it. Have no clue about udev. :-(
11:27<cahoot>comment out the stanza?
11:27<schlurchz>Should I just edit z25_persistent-net.rules?
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11:27<qbit>anyone have experience with debmirror behind a proxy?
11:28<qbit>all the Package files download .. but none of the packages
11:28<Kebianizao>schlurchz: have you brought down the IF?
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11:28<schlurchz>Kebianizao: The NIC is plugged out. Mechanically removed. :-)
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11:29<schlurchz>Only the udev rule has remained AFAICS
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11:29<Kebianizao>schlurchz: yep, but did you ifdown the IF?
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11:29<cahoot>comment out the stanza schlurchz
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11:29<schlurchz>Kebianizao: Oh. Hmm, wait...
11:30<valdyn>umm, unless that nic is hotpluggable it most defenitely was ifdowned
11:30<schlurchz>Kebianizao: Well, I have gone through some major debugging pain. During that procedure I crammed the disks into another machine, and it had a different NIC, of course...
11:30<Kebianizao>I wouldn't be so sure, even it should
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11:31<schlurchz>Kebianizao: Now the disks are back in the original box.
11:31<Tuplad>Ok I'm back :)
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11:33<schlurchz>So, I guess, the if was ifdown'ed. :-)
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11:33<Tuplad>what was the command that I needed to send to dpkg to find out about mounting vfat ?
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11:33<cahoot>Tuplad, does the mount point /media/D even exist?
11:34<Tuplad>cahoot: No, but I'm getting all sorts of problem now, I can't even edit the fstab file, kedit wont start, kwrite wont start, I'm getting crashes from root terminal etc :(
11:34<Tuplad>cahoot: this is how my fstab looks like at this moment:
11:34<schlurchz>Well, I've just removed that damned thing. Hope it won't come back somehow :-)
11:34<schlurchz>(the udev rule)
11:35<cahoot>Tuplad, unless the mount point exist no editing of fstab will help
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11:35<Tuplad>cahoot: I can find it in system:/media though
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11:36<Tuplad>cahoot: but can't open them
11:36<schlurchz>I guess if Tupload can't start kwrite, he's got more issues than a non-existing /media/D.
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11:36<Tuplad>exactly :) I get an X error
11:37<schlurchz>Tuplad: that's a fresh install, right?
11:37<Tuplad>schlurchz: right
11:37<Tuplad>schlurchz: installed it like an half hour ago
11:37<schlurchz>Tuplad: did X work before rebooting?
11:37<Tuplad>schlurchz: a couple of minutes ago when I said I was going to reboot because of crashes, I had the same errors
11:38<Tuplad>but before... no, everything was running smoothly
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11:38<schlurchz>Tuplad: I'd have a look at /var/log/Xorg*.log
11:38<schlurchz>Tuplad: or which errors do you get?
11:40<Tuplad>one sec
11:41<Tuplad>I only get it when trying to open fstab from root with kedit fstab:
11:42<schlurchz>Tuplad: that's easy. You need some sudo magic. gksu or something
11:42<Methamphetamine>you have to use kdesu
11:42<Tuplad>Methamphetamine: same problem
11:43<Methamphetamine>as non root
11:43<Tuplad>schlurchz: I have it I think
11:43<Tuplad>Methamphetamine: o one moment
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11:44<schlurchz>Tuplad: I'm not very familiar with graphical sudo magic, sorry.
11:44<Tuplad>no worries
11:44<Tuplad>but what was that command that I needed to send to dpkg to find out more about vfat mounting ?
11:45<cahoot>Tuplad, your fstab line looks ok as it is
11:45<schlurchz>Tuplad: I really don't think you need any special package to mount vfat.
11:45<Tuplad>well, at first I was playing between mnt and media, when I set to media my sound suddenly disappeared and I started getting all those errors
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11:46<cahoot>Tuplad, but it's crucial the mount point /media/D exists
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11:46<Tuplad>cahoot: it doesnt
11:47<Tuplad>all I have is cdrom0 cdrom1 and floppy0
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11:48<Kebianizao>Tuplad: lsmod |grep fat and look if yoyu have any fat module loaded
11:49<schlurchz>Yes, things are a lot easier on the command line. :-)
11:49<Kebianizao>and way faster ;)
11:50<Tuplad>yay, finally managed to edit the damned fstab
11:50<Kebianizao>problem is that black background frightens a lot
11:50<Tuplad>Kebianizao: one second
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11:50<Tuplad>Kebianizao: nothing happens
11:50<kevinl>does anyone have the "openchrome" driver binary compiled for etch ? please? :)
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11:51<Kebianizao>well, maybe I interrupt anyone else's advice, let me read bck
11:51<schlurchz>Tuplad: 'lsmod|grep fat' gives nothing?
11:51[~]simonrvn_ likes the black background ;)
11:51<Tuplad>schlurchz: nothing
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11:51<schlurchz>Tuplad: try 'modprobe fat' or perhaps 'modprobe vfat'
11:52<Kebianizao>2nd one
11:52<schlurchz>Kebianizao: thx
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11:52<Tuplad>schlurchz: nothing
11:52<Tuplad>schlurchz: I did the second
11:52<schlurchz>Tuplad: do lsmod |grep fat again
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11:52<Kebianizao>that's good, retry the mount
11:52<Tuplad>vfat 11648 0
11:52<Tuplad>fat 45980 1 vfat
11:52<schlurchz>Tuplad: or just try to mount the damn thing
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11:53<Methamphetamine>all you have to do is make the folders in media or mount
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11:53<Methamphetamine>er mnt*
11:53<Tuplad>this is how my fstab looks at this moment
11:53<Kebianizao>does the folder exist? BTW
11:53<Tuplad>so I just make D and E ?
11:53<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
11:53<Tuplad>omg -_-
11:54[~]fxiny nukes folders and foldilia
11:54<Tuplad>oh great, the folder mount doesn't exist, there is the folder mnt though
11:54<Methamphetamine>i meant mnt
11:54<schlurchz>Tuplad: just create /media/D and ../E
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11:54<Kebianizao>:) funny
11:55<schlurchz>Tuplad: Oh, wait, I see you've changed it to 'mount'. Well :-)
11:55<the_bull>hello al
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11:55<the_bull>i am facing a little bit disturbance with Open Office update
11:55<schlurchz>Tuplad: it's pretty much up to your taste. Go with mnt or media.
11:55<the_bull>Kebianizao, :)
11:55<Tuplad>schlurchz: yeah, I did, and now I want to change it to mnt, but now I can't edit the file
11:55<the_bull>Kebianizao, hello all
11:56<the_bull>Kebianizao, nd hello 2 u
11:56<Kebianizao>the_bull: it was just a joke
11:56<the_bull>Kebianizao, ya...i understood... i am not robot... 8-)
11:56<Kebianizao>Tuplad: you can't mount twice on the same directory
11:56<schlurchz>Tuplad: you can't edit it *again*?
11:57<fxiny>you can
11:57<the_bull>nyway, can nyone help with Open Office update issue?
11:57<fxiny>is a unix gift
11:57<Tuplad>oh, I figured it out, had to run root terminal instead of typing SU >_>
11:57<Tuplad>Kebianizao: I didn't mount anything... yet ;)
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11:57<schlurchz>Tuplad: you're now editing on the command line?
11:57<Tuplad>Ok, I made the D and E folders in /mnt
11:57<the_bull>nyone help me with Open Office issue?
11:57<Tuplad>schlurchz: I always do :\
11:58<schlurchz>Tuplad: that's cool. Much better. Just use sudoedit.
11:58<Tuplad>but I already changed it tmnt
11:58<Tuplad>to mnt*
11:58<Kebianizao>sure, the_bull as soon as we know the issue
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11:58<the_bull>Kebianizao, thnx bro
11:58<Tuplad>and created the D and E folder in /mnt
11:58<fxiny>Kebianizao: you can mount on the same dir
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11:58<the_bull>Kebianizao, but first of all let me try in IRC of OpenOffice
11:59<schlurchz>Tuplad: if /mnt and /etc/fstab are in sync and the vfat module's loaded, you can mount the volumes.
11:59<Tuplad>schlurchz: mount /mnt/D ?
11:59<Kebianizao>fxiny: you could I mount hda1 and hda2 for instance on the same mountpoint?
11:59<schlurchz>Tuplad: yeah.
11:59<the_bull>kk... no one in
11:59<fxiny>Kebianizao: yes
11:59<Tuplad>oops, sorry
11:59<schlurchz>Tuplad: or 'sudo mount...'
11:59<fxiny>Kebianizao: try
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11:59<the_bull>using 2.2 of Ooo
11:59<Tuplad>[mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
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12:00<Kebianizao>fxiny: I didn't know that, going to try :)
12:00<the_bull>now.. there is an icon right hand side corner of my OpenOffice
12:00<simonrvn>the_bull: try
12:00<fxiny>Kebianizao: is a unix pleasure
12:00<the_bull>which indicates, there is an update
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12:00<the_bull>simonrvn, how to do that? means,
12:00<simonrvn>server address
12:01<Tuplad>schlurchz: mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is already mounted on /mnt/D
12:01<schlurchz>Tuplad: well, perfect :-)
12:01<fxiny>Tuplad: what df shows ?
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12:03<fxiny>Tuplad: so what's your problem ?
12:03<schlurchz>Actually I wonder why it seems to be necessary to manually load the vfat module. I don't have it in /etc/modules, but it's loaded, and I never care, it's just working...
12:04<Tuplad>fxiny: there is nothing in /mnt/D
12:04<Tuplad>or do I need to restart first ? :]
12:04<Kebianizao>Tuplad: no
12:04<fxiny>umount /mnt/D
12:04<Kebianizao>restart it's not needed 90% of the times on Debian, probably more
12:04<qbit>so, anyone have debmirror-behind-proxy experience - i can't find any bugs about not downloading the packages
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12:04<Tuplad>bash: unmount: command not found
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12:04<the_bull>simonrvn, i tried to go into from "Join channel" tab of Xchat2
12:05<Tuplad>Kebianizao: :O
12:05<the_bull>but it don`t work
12:05<schlurchz>Tuplad: s/unmount/umount/
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12:05<Tuplad>ok that worked
12:05<Tuplad>umount /mnt/D
12:05<bgat>I'm trying to use the businesscard 40r0 ISO to do a new install. It bombs during "Install the base system", but the very same CD worked fine two weeks ago! The only thing I've changed is that I'm installing to a 2GB CF card instead of 4GB. After the bomb, vc4 shows some package dependency problems, like "apt-utils depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11; however: ... is not installed". Any ideas what's wrong?
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12:06<klys>does anyone here have a linuxcare businesscard?
12:06<schlurchz>Tuplad: but according to 'df' your /mnt/D was pretty much filled, wasn't it?
12:06<simonrvn>the_bull: it's a different server entirely
12:06<Tuplad>like 5g left or something
12:06<Tuplad>I also have hd6, which has like 40gb free
12:06<simonrvn>the_bull: this here is oftc
12:07<fxiny>Tuplad: try : mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/D -o defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002
12:07<Tuplad>YAY, /mnt/D works!!
12:07<Tuplad>fxiny: no need, I have access !
12:07[~]Tuplad does moonwalk3.
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12:07<schlurchz>fxiny: I think he has umask=0 in /etc/fstab.
12:08<Tuplad>but /mnt/E doesn't
12:08<fxiny>schlurchz: oh , i just jumped on the conversation
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12:08<schlurchz>Tuplad: just repeat the procedure for /mnt/E. Check /etc/fstab, make the directory if it doesn't exist, and then mount it.
12:08<the_bull>simonrvn, then how can i connect to there? freenode? with command from here?
12:08<Tuplad>schlurchz: did. the dir exists, mounted, it's still empty :\ umount and mount again?
12:09<bgat>is a 2GB CF card large enough to do a base etch install?
12:09<bgat>... for i386?
12:09<schlurchz>Tuplad: I don't see how remounting should help. Strange.
12:09<Tuplad>it works
12:09<Tuplad>lol :\
12:09<Tuplad>I umounted and mounted again, and BAM
12:10<Methamphetamine>'/server' the_bull
12:10<Tuplad>omg omg omg omg, uber! thanks to you all guys :]
12:10<schlurchz>Tuplad: well, great to hear it works four you :-)
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12:10<Tuplad>My great journey on exploring the life of a Debian user has just begun!
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12:12<schlurchz>I'm not sure; perhaps you should add 'auto' to your fstab entries to make sure they're mounted upon boot.
12:12<Kebianizao>bgat: think so, but beware of the temporary files and download archive
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12:13<schlurchz>And I'm *also* not sure if the vfat module will be loaded automatically...
12:13<Kebianizao>I think for the Tuplad issue a group=win and an adequate group mask are advisable
12:13<Kebianizao>schlurchz: it should
12:13<schlurchz>Kebianizao: but then, why wasn't it loaded already?
12:14<Kebianizao>maybe problems in the fstab
12:14<Kebianizao>or maybe what wasn't loaded was the utf-8 module
12:14<Tuplad>what if I restart and see if it'll automatically mount ?
12:14<Kebianizao>Tuplad: :O
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12:14<Kebianizao>when you think of restart also think that there's a way of doing that without rebooting
12:15<Tuplad>oh yea
12:15<Kebianizao>almost always
12:15<schlurchz>Oh, there exists some utf-8 modules? Interesting :-)
12:15<Tuplad>my bad
12:15<Tuplad>on windows since 1996 ^_^
12:15<bgat>Kebianizao: hmmm, good point. can I tell it to put the tmp/archive stuff on a different device?
12:15<Tuplad>only used SuSE and ALT Linux before
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12:16<Kebianizao>bgat: sure, mount /tmp elsewhere
12:16<ranix>yeah there are few things that require restarting the system
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12:16<Kebianizao>kernel and little more (if there's more at all)
12:16<bgat>Kebianizao: ok, I'll try that.
12:16<schlurchz>Kebianizao: regarding the windows habit to reboot, I've often found it to be easier for newbies to rectify things with a reboot rather than investigating it.
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12:17<fxiny>no reboot
12:17<Kebianizao>schlurchz: sure but then they won't learn and loose a lot of time
12:17<Tuplad>screw reboot, takes too much time
12:17<schlurchz>Kebianizao: :-) well, I guess the time it takes to learn stuff is longer than just rebooting from time to time.
12:18<schlurchz>Kebianizao: not everybody want to become a Unix guru
12:18<Kebianizao>schlurchz: put a mark on a finger each time you think you should reboot, you will run out on fingers fast
12:19<Kebianizao>schlurchz: sure, but those are not usually here
12:19<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2
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12:19<schlurchz>Kebianizao: You've got a point here.
12:20<fxiny>btw : where's fstab-sync , unstable ?
12:20<Kebianizao>yippie :)
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12:21<schlurchz>what's fstab-sync?
12:21<schlurchz>there seems to be no such package.
12:22<fxiny>fstab-sync update /etc/fstab
12:22<Kebianizao>schlurchz: about utf-8
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12:23<schlurchz>Kebianizao: ah, interesting... I've never really read up upon that NLS stuff.
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12:24<schlurchz>(... and my boxes still run latin1 locales.)
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12:26<schlurchz>Okay dudes, gotta run.
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12:29<Kebianizao>how could I add some binaries to the kernel initrd in an automated way?
12:30<Kebianizao>what I want is including the reiserfs tools so I could do reiserfsck using the break=mount parameter on boot command line
12:30<Kebianizao>in that way I don't need to run knoppix when my system locks totally or there's some FS corruption
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12:35<Kebianizao>well, since it's the second time I ask this today, at least any pointer as where I could find the info or anything related?
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12:36<Supaplex>Kebianizao: I think I have an idea. 1m
12:37<Kebianizao>thanks Supaplex
12:37<Supaplex>Kebianizao: initramfs, right?
12:37<Kebianizao>take you time
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12:37<jli>it seems like Aptitude has not been properly marking some packages as being automatically installed, particularly when it has an update. has anyone else seen this behavior?
12:38<mike^>who do i talk to regarding a package that doesnt work after the latest update? ( bastille ) but all that has to be done is to initiate the script and it fixes itself ?
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12:39<mike^>a rather odd bug error really
12:39<jli>mike^, have you checked to see if a bug has been filed?
12:39<mike^>the script and the file it asks for is there
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12:39<mike^>surly there must be someone hereon irc that i can just mention it to+
12:39<mike^>i just fixed the bug
12:40<mike^>well it fixed itself
12:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:40<mike^>wait a sec. i have two pcs so i'll try to see if theres an easier way of doing ti
12:41<jli>mike^, reporting bugs is pretty simply with the reportbug package
12:41<Supaplex>Kebianizao: it appears you need your own /etc/initramfs-tools/riserfs as discussed in the "HOOK SCRIPTS" section of man 8 initramfs-tools
12:41<mike^>oh. i didnt know of that one
12:42<Supaplex>!tell mike^ -about bts
12:42<mike^>whats it called
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12:42<mike^>thanks mate
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12:43<Kebianizao>Supaplex: thanks a lot for the info. I have a suspend2 script there so I can use it as template
12:43<Kebianizao>Supaplex: you did my day ;)
12:43<Supaplex>Kebianizao: np. dpkg -L | less gives lots of hints about how packages work.
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12:44<Kebianizao>my main problem was hindling library dependences with that, but now I know hwere to start
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12:44<Supaplex>it uses ldd for you, so that's taken care of
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12:45<Kebianizao>I think this idea is important, maybe I could write an article about it once I have it ready
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12:48<mike^>Kebianizao, what do you write for?
12:48<mike^>what site
12:48[~]mike^ writes for and amigaguide magazine
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12:49<mike^>ah flood
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13:08<malex>Where do I start with making udev and the gang automount my usb drive with sane ownership/permissions? Right now it mounts it as /media/usbX with root.root 755.
13:09<malex>which makes the drive inaccessible to non-root users, of course.
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13:19<fpiat>malex, the mountpoints are "root.root 755", but the content should be properly mounted (let me try)
13:21<fpiat>malex, once mounted, it's owned by "me", still 755.
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13:23<Myon>pmount works for me
13:24<simonrvn>hello Myon
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13:26<fpiat>malex, if you use Gnome, i think the badguy is gnome-mount and/or udev.
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13:33<malex>fpiat: I use KDE
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13:33<fpiat>malex, ;) would help.. but can't.
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13:34<Larks>After installing intel_agp, I still get GARTInit errors (unable to open /dev/agpgart) from xorg.
13:34<simonrvn>does it exist?
13:34<malex>Myon: I have pmount installed, but something (I _think_ udev) intercepts the drive on its insertion and mounts it as root, so it never gets to the pmount.
13:34<Larks>using integrated intel media accelerator x3000 on a asus p5k-v board.
13:35<Myon>malex: probaly hal
13:35<Myon>though no clue about that
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13:36<Larks>kernel 2.6.21 amd64
13:36<Larks>anyone know possible solution?
13:36<simonrvn>Larks: ls -l /dev/agpgart
13:36<Larks>no such file
13:37<Larks>it doesnt exist..
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13:37<NotLim>anyone alive?
13:37<Myon>dpkg: tell NotLim about ask
13:37<Larks>config_agp y agp_amd64 y agp_intel m agp_sis m agp_via m
13:38<Larks>modprobe intel_agp
13:38<Larks>module loads fine
13:38<simonrvn>Larks: that would be part of the problem...
13:38<Larks>still no /dev/agpgart though.
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13:38<Larks>simonrvn: whats that?
13:38<simonrvn>using udev?
13:38<Larks>simonrvn: I think, but fairly unfamiar with what udev is.
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13:39<NotLim>i've downloaded the latest minimal install cd, i'm trying to install... but it doesn't detect the ethernet card... how can i make it recognize it? i have a nforce 630a based motherboard
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13:39<Larks>simonrvn: ok I understand what udev is now
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13:39<simonrvn>do 'mount', and see if there's a 'tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs there'
13:39<mike^>have a good one everyone, i love that your still doing m68k stuff :D
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13:40<ranix>if dev isn't mounted you have problems
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13:40<ranix>or you're in a chroot
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13:40<Larks>udev on /dev type tmpfs
13:40<simonrvn>or doesn't matter because you're not using it....
13:41<simonrvn>you are; well there's an 'agpgart' modules, is that loaded too?
13:41<Larks>I assume agpgart is in config_agp which is compiled in.
13:41<simonrvn>it might or might not be getting called to load into the kernel by another module
13:41<simonrvn>not a good idea to build that in
13:41<Larks>I cannot modprobe agpgart, doesnt exist
13:41<Larks>this is a stock kernel...
13:42<ranix>modprobe -l | grep agpart shows nothing?
13:42<Eulex>what version?
13:42<ranix>agpgart rather
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13:42<Larks>yah i fixed that ;)
13:42<simonrvn>how about zgrep -i agp /proc/config.gz
13:43<simonrvn>does CONFIG_AGP show up as being m or y ?
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13:43<Larks>and amd64=y
13:43<ranix>ok, it's probably compiled in
13:43<ranix>what is the root problem anyway
13:43<simonrvn>crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2007-08-03 06:35 /dev/agpgart
13:44<Larks>ranix: xorg can't find /dev/agpgart cause it doesnt exist
13:44<simonrvn>mine's =m BTW
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13:45<Larks>ranix: did modprobe intel_agp, loads fine, but cannot you intel or i810 driver in xorg.
13:45<fpiat>NotLim, can't find the Ethernet adapter related to nvidia "630a" graphics...
13:45<Larks>vesa works.
13:45<simonrvn>probably just the the driver not sending hotplug events properly more than agpgart being =m or =y
13:45<Larks>simonrvn: can I do it manually?
13:46<simonrvn>yes, ^^^ gives the what it is
13:46<simonrvn>gives you*
13:46<simonrvn>crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2007-08-03 06:35 /dev/agpgart
13:46<simonrvn>char device, major 10 minor 175
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13:46<Larks>oh i see
13:46<Larks>so just make the node.
13:47<simonrvn>yup :)
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13:47<ranix>should work if it's compiled in or the module is loaded
13:47<simonrvn>you could make an udev rule too, (dunno how, ask the bot)
13:47<Larks>mknod -m 660 /dev/agpgart c 10 175
13:47<fpiat>NotLim, have you completed the installation ? (offline)
13:47<simonrvn>ranix: yeh, but i'm thinking hotplug events or some other weirdness
13:47<simonrvn>Larks: yeh, and root:video as owner:group
13:47<NotLim>i want to use the minimal cd
13:47<ranix>there could be a problem with a udev rule
13:48<ranix>is this etch?
13:48<simonrvn>ranix: yeh
13:48<fpiat>NotLim, do you know your MD's model ?
13:48<simonrvn>Larks: ^^^ etch?
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13:48<NotLim>Abit AN-M2
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13:48<deboch>hi everybody
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13:49<NotLim>Gentoo LiveCD detected it... but i want to install Debian
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13:49<Larks>do you guys know if I ishould be using "intel" driver or "i810" ?
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13:50<ranix>NotLim: i810 is audio, no?
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13:50<NotLim>ranix: ?
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13:50<fpiat>NotLim, can you "lsmod". is "forcedeth" loaded ?
13:50<ranix>NotLim: are you asking about audio or video
13:50<ranix>NotLim: I have an i810 board
13:51<NotLim>ethernet card
13:51<Larks>ranix: I dunno, I read i810 was correct
13:51<NotLim>fpiat, it's not
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13:51<Larks>ranix: its Larks not NotLim asking those questions :)
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13:51<ranix>oh sorry
13:51<fpiat>you can try to "modprobe forcedeth"
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13:52<NotLim>i did it
13:52<NotLim>nothing happens
13:52<ranix>Larks: I have an i810 board and ethernet was detected at startup
13:52<ranix>on install
13:52<Larks>simonvn: creating the node didn't help
13:52<fpiat>NotLim, do you mean "ifconfig" shows no "eth0" interface ?
13:52<Larks>ranix: I am working on video.
13:52<NotLim>i mean it
13:52<ranix>ok. I run it headless
13:53<fpiat>What's on the log console (Alt-F4)
13:53<Larks>calls it i8xx,i9xx
13:53<ranix>the AGP on that board might be nonstandard or otherwise weird
13:53<ranix>there is no agp slot on mine
13:53<Larks>not on mine either
13:53<Larks>its onboard video
13:54<ranix>can you furnish the exact model number of the board
13:54<Larks>asus p5k-v
13:54<ranix>it's not a d 865 is it?
13:54<Larks>intel graphics media accelerator x3000 integrated
13:54<Larks>I believe it is 865 chipset... from what I have read
13:54<Larks>not sure.
13:54<ranix>it is
13:55<ranix>google for Intel 865G
13:55<Larks>so I should be using xserver-xorg-video-intel correct?
13:55<ranix>lots of people have your problem
13:55<Larks>any fixes?
13:55<ranix>still looking
13:55<Larks>me 2 :)
13:56<Larks>i typically consult google first :)
13:56<ranix>i915 is the module you need
13:56<ranix>not i810
13:56<Larks>that doesnt exist in xserver-xorg-video-intel
13:56<Larks> dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel |grep
13:56<dpkg>ii xserver-xorg-video-intel |grep 2.5-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
13:57<ranix>what is i915.ko
13:57<ranix>sorry about the paste
13:57<NotLim>fpiat wait :P
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13:57<chapajai>hi ppl
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13:57<NotLim>fpiat, if i install the minimal debian cd... with an external ethernet card... i supose i can install the integrated later... no?
13:57<fpiat>NotLim, of course.
13:57<NotLim>okay, i'll put an external ethernet card
13:57<NotLim>i'll be around here :D
13:58<Larks>does not have i915
13:58<Larks>just i810
13:59<Larks>am I missing something?
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13:59<ranix>I don't know. Your problem is special
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14:00<ranix>try asking some other people
14:00<ranix>as a last resort, look at this
14:00<Larks>I don't know where else to ask ;(
14:01<ranix>someone else might be able to help here
14:01<ranix>building the intel driver from source is also an option
14:01<Larks>k thanks.
14:01<Larks>I don't have the driver source...
14:01<ranix>you do if you follow the last link
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14:03<Larks>yah, thats above my head.
14:03<Larks>simonvn: adding the node did nothing :(
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14:04<Methamphetamine>i thought i810 also supported i9xx also
14:05<Larks>thats what I gathered...
14:05<Larks>but not on my system
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14:08<Larks>XFree86 supports my Intel 865 card like a dream. X.Org, on the other hand, is like a disease to Intel 865 cards.
14:08<Larks>thats an interesting quote.
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14:12<chapajai>a basic question about wireless AP and channel... why when I choose the channel 13 in the AP I can not see it with my wireless card?? tahnk you
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14:12<repair-man>what kind of wifi card is it?
14:13<chapajai>is orinoco driver
14:13<Supaplex>chapajai: different countries have varied resctrictions on what channels you can use.
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14:13<chapajai>I think my problem is what Supaplex tell
14:14<chapajai>in europe the list channel is large
14:14<chapajai>but my debian gnome is set to sort list of channel
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14:14<chapajai>can someone help me please
14:14<Supaplex>find one noone is using, hopefully a few slots away from any other channel in use
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14:14<Supaplex>and one that works in both
14:15<chapajai>yes it is the way I have now
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14:16<Larks>I'm sorry... I am not running etch, but lenny
14:17<Larks>Is there an easy way to downgrade to etch?
14:17<Supaplex>!tell Larks -about downgrade
14:17<Supaplex>Larks: in short, no
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14:23<ranix>Larks: therein lies the problem
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14:32[~]vastinfest negerai oj negerai..
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14:36<tzafrir_laptop>hmmm.... my Etch server has many processes in D state again (second time in two weeks). One of the processes is the syslogd
14:37<tzafrir_laptop>Hence not too many logs , except, maybe dmesg
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14:38<Myon>tzafrir_laptop: make a backup and run fsck
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14:49<ajksdflkj>hi guys
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14:50<sysop>thats better.
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14:52<jherrera>hi: how can I remove the dialog that appears when I double click a shell script in GNOME and make its default behavior to automatically run?
14:52<ntbnnt>ne1 know of ne software to burn WMA?
14:52<sysop>hi I need help with a sudoers file.
14:53<jherrera>sysop, whats with sudoers?
14:53<sysop>its really simple I just want a user that can run anything as anyone without a password. I know its insecure but the example doesnt work. thanks jherra
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14:55<jherrera>sysop, I would define a group that has admin privileges and put that group in the sudoers
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14:56<jherrera>sysop BTW that's Ubuntu's default behavior
14:56<dondelelcaro>sysop: you just use NOPASSWD: ALL or similar.
14:56<dondelelcaro>though there's really no need to do that, since it's pretty trivial to enter a password
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15:02<sysop>oh it wont work with just a user?
15:02<sysop>user ALL= NOPASSWD:ALL
15:03<dondelelcaro>it'll work with just a user
15:04<tzafrir_laptop>Myon, didn't help. Filesystem was clean. I noticed that the silesystem is JFS
15:05<sysop>hmm that is wierd. I even tried just doing it for a directory instead of :all and it didnt work. it said I didnt have permission.
15:05<Myon>uh, no sure if that even has a "real" fsck command
15:05<Myon>(xfs' is just a symlink to /bin/true or similar)
15:06<tzafrir_laptop>Myon, I used fsck.jfs -f
15:06<Myon>sysop: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
15:06<Larks>I wanted to install etch initially but apperently it did not support ich9 sata controller, and therefore could not detect the cdrom
15:06<tzafrir_laptop>after a plain fsck.jfs was a lot faster
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15:08<sysop>thanks myon!!!
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15:12<Tuplad>Is there some kind of command to see what version of linux you're running etc.
15:12<Tuplad>in console
15:12<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a
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15:14<WorJu>how i can win cahs on the internet?????
15:14<lupine_85>win whats?
15:14<Myon>sysop: I never bothered to dive deeper in the syntax
15:14<Myon>the manpage has examples
15:14<sysop> myon so nopassword is a just a modifer for all programs. so I can substitue the directory instead of all?
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15:14<Myon>(yes it is utterly weird)
15:15<lupine_85>WorJu: I can teach you how to win cooties on the internet, but I don't know about "cahs"
15:15<sysop>I thought I had got that from the manpage. but thanks anyway. sudoers is of those things I very rarely have to mess with.
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15:17<WorJu>Since I can make money on the internet?????
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15:17<WorJu>how I can make money on the internet?????
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15:18<lupine_85>WorJu: take naked pictures of yourself. Put them on with your telephone number. someone will call you to tell you how much money you've earned
15:19<lupine_85>and stop using /msg
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15:19<dpkg>Test Failed.
15:19<lupine_85>also, this is #debian, not #idiots
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15:23<Tuplad>Guys, at the first start of Debian my sound was working perfectly... after the first reboot I'm getting the following problem: . My sound plays in Amarok, but not on websites, when loading kde and all that stuff. I can't figure this out, I googled :]
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15:30<zer69n>ïðèâåò âñåì, ðóñêîãîâîðÿùèå òóòà åñòü?
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15:31<Tuplad>it came from aRts actually, the error
15:32<Myon>dpkg: tell zer69n -about ru
15:32<lupine_85>Tuplad: what browser are you using?
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15:32<Tuplad>lupine_85: Opera
15:33<schlurchz>I thought aRts has been deprecated long ago?
15:33<lupine_85>Tuplad: try turning off arts
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15:34<Tuplad>lupine_85: apt-get remove arts
15:34<Tuplad>I don't even use arts :\
15:34<lupine_85>eh, just try turning it off first
15:34<schlurchz>lupine_85: s/remove/purge/ :-)
15:34<lupine_85>it's not like HD space is a limiting factor these days
15:34<simonrvn_>for some people
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15:35<Tuplad>it is for me :]
15:35<Tuplad>I removed like half of the software that came with this installation
15:35<schlurchz>What's KDE using these days instead of aRts? I'm not using KDE.
15:36<lupine_85>it's, like, 7MB or less
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15:36<lupine_85>schlurchz: aRts is still used for 3.5, but mostly it's direct alsa
15:36<lupine_85>they have something new for KDE 4 I beleive
15:36<icwiener>I just set up a new debian system and now amarok cannot play mp3 and off files (didn't test others). For mp3 it says that xine cannot play them and for ogg files it just says that it could not load that files. Is there something I have to consider?
15:36<schlurchz>oh really.
15:36<icwiener>It's Phonon for KDE 4.
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15:36<schlurchz>I thought they had dumped it in KDE 3 already.
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15:37<lupine_85>kdemultimedia in lenny still depends: arts stuff
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15:38<Tuplad>hmm, I think that my sound device isn't configured somewhere, I can't play a track at (flash player)
15:38<kzar>I am trying to install php4 and I need to use apache 1. Problem is it insists on apache 2, is there any way to stop that happening?
15:38<lupine_85>Tuplad: it depends on what sound system opera is configured to use. I've no idea which one it is, though :D
15:39<schlurchz>Tuplad: I'm using Opera,too, I can look that up.
15:39<lupine_85>kzar: install libapache-mod-php4 and apache, then install php4
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15:40<Tuplad>schlurchz: oh please :D
15:40<Tuplad>lupine_85: hm, neither do I
15:40<kzar>lupine_85: Thanks that did the trick :)
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15:40<lupine_85>it still amazes me how much of a mess sound in linux is
15:40<kzar>lupine_85: Its a lot better than it was to be fair
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15:41<schlurchz>interesting. Can't find such a setting. It Just Works(tm). :-)
15:41<lupine_85>yep, and getting better
15:41<lupine_85>what I've heard of fusionsound is heartening, too
15:41<kzar>never heard of fusionsound, whats that?
15:41<lupine_85>done by the DirectFB guys
15:41<lupine_85>libfusionsound-0.9-25 - audio sub system for multiple applications - shared libraries
15:42<Tuplad>lupine_85: Opera uses that ?
15:42<simonrvn_>yet another sound "daemon"
15:42[~]simonrvn_ yawns
15:42<kzar>lupine_85: a different alsa then?
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15:42<lupine_85>AIUI, it interfaces with alsa, oss, esd, arts, etc and provides mixer capabilities
15:42<icwiener>I think most of the problems with sound is due to some apps like Flash and such still want oss what's not avalable anymore.
15:42<lupine_85>kzar, simonrvn_: not quite
15:42<dondelelcaro>icwiener: alsa has an oss compatibility layer for that reason
15:42<schlurchz>Tuplad: I'd try some simple sound playing app that's using alsa directly, or has a configurable backend.
15:42<lupine_85>ISTR it creates in alsa, for example, it's own device. so you can use alsa directly, or use libfusonsound, and it still "just works"
15:43<jamesuk>How do I stop smtp relay without TLS-AUTH? I've got TLS working OK, just can't turn off the relay without.
15:43<simonrvn_>icwiener: and the fact that moz apps have sound disabled, and crash horribly if enabled, esp. FF/IW
15:43<lupine_85>FF sound works fine here
15:43<Tuplad>schlurchz: default that is on is some KDE Mixer
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15:43<Tuplad>schlurchz: which always resets to 0% and messes things up
15:43<astronut>does this do what i think it does?
15:43<astronut>iptables -I FORWARD -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5190 --source -j REJECT
15:43<simonrvn_>lupine_85: right. try using that with flash. *boom*
15:43<astronut>prevent that computer from logging onto AIM?
15:43<icwiener>dondelelcaro: I never got it working here (abount two years ago) though and decided to avoid such apps. :)
15:43<schlurchz>Tuplad: Oh boy. I have little idea with all that KDE stuff. :-/
15:43<lupine_85>simonrvn_: I do frequently
15:44<Tuplad>schlurchz: what would you recommend ? :]
15:44<lupine_85>as I said, it "just works"
15:44<simonrvn_>lupine_85: yes, bu that doesn't mean it works for everyone
15:44<kzar>Why did they rename Firefox? pretty much everyone who sees my PC asks me.
15:44<lupine_85>kzar: firefox has non-free aspects to it
15:44<astronut>kzar: trademark
15:45<lupine_85>namely an icon and the name itself
15:45<schlurchz>Tuplad: I darkly remember setting things up with alsaconf. But that's long ago.
15:45<mikkelorz>what would be the best chmod for my apache www dir?
15:45<astronut>kzar: the icon is not DFSG compliant (you can't redistribute modified versions), and MozCo refuses to let us use the name without the icon
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15:45<Tuplad>schlurchz: I'll try that, one min :)
15:45<schlurchz>Tuplad: In any case I didn't fiddle with GUI tools.
15:45<lupine_85>mikkelorz: depends :D
15:46<astronut>mikkelorz: i like the webmaster user to own stuff, and have read/write, then www-data as the group w/ read only, and nothing for other
15:46<mikkelorz>thinking i need to modify content as a normal user.. but then again will root ownership be needed?
15:46<Tuplad>schlurchz: I remember playing with some sound file, I had to modify some code in it and it worked after that forever
15:46<astronut>so 640 for files, 750 for dirs, user:www-data
15:46<kzar>astronut: Thats pretty retarded to be fair
15:46<Tuplad>schlurchz: that was, also, a long time ago :)
15:46<astronut>kzar: no kidding
15:46<astronut>kzar: but we can't help it
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15:46<schlurchz>Tuplad: Or try something simple like mpg123 popsong.mp3
15:46<Tuplad>schlurchz: what you mean ?
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15:47<mikkelorz>hm ok seems like a good idea :)
15:47<schlurchz>Tuplad: mpg123 is a mp3 player for the command line
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15:47<astronut>mikkelorz: the only thing is you need root to do the chown i think
15:47<schlurchz>Tuplad: veeery simple.
15:47<kzar>astronut: Oh well, I do like the iceweasle name though. The main bad thing is for new users thinking there isn't firefox
15:47<Tuplad>schlurchz: ooh
15:47<astronut>kzar: no kidding
15:47<Tuplad>schlurchz: I'm using amarok, it all works well
15:47[~]astronut had to change the icon back on a bunch of computers i admin
15:47<schlurchz>Tuplad: Oh, it does?
15:48<Tuplad>schlurchz: btw, I just solved the problem with alsaconf :)
15:48[~]Tuplad thanks schlurchz3.
15:48<schlurchz>Tuplad: though you had no sound at all?
15:48<Tuplad>schlurchz: I always have that problem :)
15:48<Tuplad>schlurchz: I have a soundcard, but linux and windows seem to configure it the wrong way
15:48<Tuplad>always have to set it as default then
15:48<kzar>astronut: I remember having to put the IE icon and label on some machines to get the picture across
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15:49<kzar>astronut: (Windows PC's but with Firefox)
15:49<schlurchz>Tuplad: sorry?
15:49<astronut>kzar: hmmm...maybe for april 1st
15:49<astronut>on the linux boxes
15:49<astronut>and it looked like my iptables command was right
15:49<Tuplad>schlurchz: Windows and Linux always point to the wrong soundcard :\ even though I have 1, it always messes up and then I have to configure it to use my sound card as default
15:50<schlurchz>Tuplad: I'm not sure I understand, but it sounds weird :-)
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15:51<Tuplad>schlurchz: beh, I don't understand either
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15:54<dpkg>i heard stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases.
15:54<fluent>Oh. I'll never learned how to use irc
15:54<dpkg>somebody said 4.0r0 was Debian Etch Initial Release, dated from April 8th, 2007
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15:55<witte>!tell zobel -about selftell
15:55<zobel>witte: i now :)
15:55<witte>zobel: ok :-)
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15:56<zobel>dpkg: 4.0r1 will be released Aug 15th or 16th, 2007
15:56<Dechande>Hey guys, Brand new Debian user here though in the past I've Installed other linux distros (Some based of Debian) and had a bit of a play around getting themw orking etc so im not totally in the dark, just wondering, Is there any easy way to get ATI drivers installed on a laptop with a mobility 9000 IGP Card ?
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15:57<Tuplad>Well guys, I'm out, this is a nice first day of Debian :)
15:57<Tuplad>Time to meditate :D
15:57<Tuplad>Have a nice day everyone
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15:57<astronut>Dechande: the ATI drivers aren't very good
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15:57<mikkelorz>there's not really an easy way of installing anything ATI on any linux distro
15:57<zobel>dpkg: 4.0r1 is to be released Aug 15th or 16th, 2007
15:57<dpkg>okay, zobel
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15:58<astronut>Dechande: you're probably better off with the xorg ones that are installed by default
15:58<witte>!tell Dechande about ati
15:58<zobel>!tell zobel 4.0r1
15:58<astronut>zobel: that's guys have it in place?
15:58<astronut>waiting on aj?
15:58<zobel>astronut: working on it.
15:58<zobel>no, on elmo
15:58<Dechande>I spent about 3 or 4 hours last night looking around on google/various *nix forums before i came here so i did seem to notice that trend of ATI being troublesome/worthless
15:59<Dechande>Unfortunately being a laptop i cant change the card manufacturer :(
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15:59<astronut>zobel: ah...good luck
15:59<zobel>astronut: why?
15:59<astronut>Dechande: what's wrong with the current drivers?
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16:00<astronut>zobel: you look at the pending stuff in rt lately?
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16:00<astronut>it's nearly impossible to get elmo to do anything in short order
16:00<zobel>astronut: yes. and?
16:00<zobel>yes it is.
16:00<Dechande>No Hardware Acceleration
16:00<astronut>Dechande: i thought they had limited hardware accelleration
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16:01<zobel>astronut: belive me, elmo is going to to the .-release...
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16:02<Dechande>Heh is there any way to check other than glxgears or glxinfo as neither of those are apparently valid commands on my system
16:02<astronut>bah, my keyboard died
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16:02<chapajai>bye ppl
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16:02<astronut>glxgears is inthe mesa-utils package
16:03<kzar>When I browse to a .PHTML file on my apache server my browser trys to download the file instead of it being displayed properly. I have added .phtml to the "AddType application/x-httpd-php" line in httpd.conf and restarted apache but its still not working. Any ideas?
16:03<astronut>Dechande: anyway, if i remember correctly, ati can be done by modules-assistant
16:03<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or
16:03<astronut>ah, use that info
16:03<astronut>what dpkg said
16:03<astronut>sweet, my keyboard's back
16:04<Dechande>Danke :D
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16:06<Dechande>Haha, gl gears gives me maybe 2-3 FPS
16:06<Dechande>Hmm time for work, will Try the stuff dpkg said when i get home, thanks guys.
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16:07<NotLim>hi again... i have a nforce 630a based motherboard... i read... and i've used the forcedeth module... after i load it... got to do something else?
16:07[~]Supaplex watches his podcasts from the last week catch up
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16:09<chealer>NotLim: in order to do what?
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16:12<mikkelorz>i need a great php editor with code completion.. highlight.. the works :) for kde.. any such thing out there?
16:13<astronut>wel, dunno about code completion
16:13<mikkelorz>nope not in there :/
16:14<lupine_85>probably does php
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16:14<lupine_85>you'd be better off dumping php though ;)
16:15<mikkelorz>and go full .NET.. yeah right :p
16:15[~]kevc blinks
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16:16<lupine_85>perl & ruby do similar jobs to php
16:16<mikkelorz>and python
16:16<Supaplex>make it obsolete? ;)
16:16<mikkelorz>but i dont own the boxes i write scripts for
16:17<mikkelorz>and they run php.. so it's either php or .NET :/
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16:18<lupine_85>still, this isn't #www-wars
16:18<kevc>so does python
16:18[~]kevc makes annoying snake like noises
16:18<lupine_85>cool, I need a new belt
16:18<lupine_85>if they're running php, you can probably 0wn them in relatively short order if you're lucky ;)
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16:18<lupine_85>.NET == c# ?
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16:20<mikkelorz>nah it's asp
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16:22<Supaplex>don't let the asp bite you!
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16:27[~]mikkelorz goes on looking for a php devel prog
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16:29<lupine_85>I wonder if quanta does php
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16:29<dondelelcaro>you can write PHP in pretty much any editor, but vim or emacs are probably the best
16:30<lupine_85>eclipse probably does, and as it turns out kdevelop does
16:30<lupine_85>dondelelcaro: he wants code completion
16:31<Supaplex>vim can do it
16:31<Supaplex>found it in a manual somewhere. never used it.
16:32<dondelelcaro>so can emacs
16:32<lupine_85>they really do have everything
16:32<Supaplex>but can emacs change the oil in my car?
16:33<lupine_85>the only code completion I ever found that wasn't ultra-annoying was in Borland projects
16:33<dondelelcaro>well, I personally find that most code completion sucks
16:33<lupine_85>that said, it wasn't very good in Kylix
16:34<dondelelcaro>and in most cases when I have to use code completion as a crutch, it's a huge warning to me that the API that I'm programming against is absolute crap.
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16:34<dondelelcaro>(which unfortunatly is kind of true of PHP
16:34<zobel>astronut: you won't belive it.... elmo just started it...
16:34[~]Supaplex uses a mesh network of neurons for code completion
16:35<dondelelcaro>zobel: started what?
16:35<mikkelorz>actually i just want completion of echo ""; for example.. not the entire thing.. or completion on static vars..
16:35<zobel>dondelelcaro: 4.0r1
16:35<mikkelorz>im just a lazy bastard i suppose.. anyways quanta looks good
16:35<dondelelcaro>zobel: ah, good.
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16:40<mikkelorz>hm only highlighting tho.. still better than messing around in vim
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16:41<jcole>anyone here use vpnc and know how to retrieve dns info after connection?
16:42[~]Supaplex uses digg
16:42<Supaplex>er dig.
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16:48<v1nux>bonsoir ya possibilité de mettre une regle pour plusieurs port pour iptables ou on réecrit a chaque fois?
16:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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17:01<mikkelorz>how do i fix the font colour in the kde panel when using transperancy? it goes grey.. looks awful lol
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17:02<mikkelorz>ah wait a minute.. must be a bug.. after opening it looks sorta ok
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17:04<v1nux>arrf excuse me
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17:06<brislingf>what have i forgot on my apache configuration when i get this message [warn] NameVirtualHost has no VirtualHosts?
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17:09<Supaplex>sounds like a missing VirtualHosts directive to go with it
17:10<dondelelcaro>or you don't have a catchall
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17:14<brislingf>well have found the flaw.. thx anyway
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17:31<jesper_>Hello. I need the development files for openssl. "aptitude search openssl" doesn't list any openssl-dev package what I can see, but I do see a libcurl3-openssl-dev package, but that is not what I am looking for is it?
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17:32<dondelelcaro>jesper_: no, it's not. you probably want libssl-dev
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17:33<dondelelcaro>alternatively, consider libgnutls
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17:34<jesper_>dondelelcaro, that looks right. thanks a bunch. have a nice day
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17:58<fenix> alguien conoce algun programa q me permita descargarme una pagina completa
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17:59<fenix>alguien a trabajado con moinmoin
17:59<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:00<brislingf>i've this problem that my phpmyadmin suddenly stopped working,,, any ideas what might have caused this ? you can se the feedback from the server at :/
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18:00<fenix> alguien conoce algun programa q me permita descargarme una pagina completa
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18:02<deboch>what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell !
18:03<deboch>nameservers ??
18:03<simonrvn_>it's not set per interface
18:03<frank>ip address?
18:03<frank>ifconfig or ip
18:03<deboch>yes the dns ip adress
18:03<deboch>not the interface ip !! but the dns one
18:04<frank>for dns you set one till three dns servers (ip address of them) in your resolv.conf
18:04<simonrvn_>plus other options if you like, but that's the minimal one (1 to 3 NS)
18:04<deboch>ok thanks
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18:05<simonrvn_>man resolv.conf
18:05<deboch>i just have to do : nano /etc/resolv.conf as a root
18:06<deboch>and then add this line :
18:06<deboch>nameserver x.x.x.x
18:06<deboch>isn't it ?
18:06<deboch>thanks for all
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18:13<Josinalvo>hi there ! I am just wondering is there is a tool for a user to install a .deb in his ~ without need to work out paths and stuff (a tranparent way). Is there ?
18:15<simonrvn_>you could do dpkg -x ~thatuser but that isn't installing it, it's just unpacking it. it won't be configured OR installed
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18:16<Josinalvo>yep. What I was thinking was if there was a tranparent way for the user to install something (as in, the paths in his ~ are used to find the things he needs). Something like a fakeroot for his .debs
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18:23<lupine_85>Josinalvo: not particularly; dependency resolution would be a complete PITA under such a system
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18:26<lupine_85>Josinalvo: oh. actually, there's dpkg --root
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18:27<simonrvn_>i thought it did... couldn't remember the --option
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18:28<Josinalvo>lupine_85: thanks, i'll look into it
18:28<lupine_85>the problem with --root is that dpkg will have a completely seperate var/lib/dpkg - which allows two users to have the same pacakges installed, I guess, but means --ignore-dependencies will need to be used
18:28<lupine_85>--instdir will let you install the .deb ? only for one user ? (not certain about this, but it seems likely), but avoids the dependency problems. Probably.
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18:29<lupine_85>you want man dpkg, line 320
18:29<simonrvn_>it's generally only done for the installer IIRC, because it's such a PITA otherwise
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18:37<Josinalvo>IIRC ? PITA ?
18:37<frank>if i remember correctly
18:37<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
18:37<frank>pain in the ass
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18:43<klys>lupine_85: you could test-install the package (not actually doing anything), then if you get a worked, unpack with dpkg --root
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18:45<klys>lupine_85: I don't know how it would work for /lib, you'd probably have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the user. /usr/share/man would also require intervention
18:45<lupine_85>klys: I wouldn't even consider doing something like this :D
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18:46<lupine_85>if I wanted lots of users to have access to software on a per-user basis, I'd give them chroots off a snapshotted LVM drive or something similar
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18:47<klys>lupine_85: consider the requirements: the admin is frustrated with users wanting new packages, so, when he's not there, he allows a config solution for installing them in a home directory. since this package only affects the user, it does not affect systemwide /var/lib/dpkg
18:47<lupine_85>klys: yep, I get the scenario
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18:47<lupine_85>ello ello
18:48<lupine_85>klys: if each user has their own chroot, it's a lot cleaner - especially if there are a bunch of users
18:48<Guest877>u know how to install nvidia drivers?
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18:48<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
18:49<lupine_85>there's overhead to that, of course, but if you add LVM snapshots that's reduced quite a bit
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18:49<Guest877>oh my god
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18:50<Guest877>i have knoppix
18:50<klys>lupine_85: do you know how to add systemwide files and symlinks to a localied chroot? you'd practically have to do this with the entire system, file-by-file, for each user. hefty demand
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18:51<Guest877>i finded that i need to recompile kernel, bur it dont want recompiling
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18:52<lupine_85>klys: dchroot <my-program-in-my-personal-chroot'
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18:53<Guest877>lupine_85, its the same manual which i was used
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18:55<lupine_85>Guest877: it's a good one
18:55<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
18:55<dpkg>hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
18:55<lupine_85>any better?
18:55<lupine_85>dpkg is G-hd. This is a proven fact.
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18:56<Guest877>i have to copy that one line in shell?
18:56<ranix>drr drr drr
18:57<klys>lupine_85: picture this: each user with apache has a localized httpd.conf, which is then updated from a libfam-aware script producing the main httpd.conf include for Directory rules
18:58<Guest877>Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-2.6.19
18:58<Guest877>answer from shell
18:58<lupine_85>someone's running their own custom kernel...
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18:58<ranix>this guy is running a custom kernel?
18:59<lupine_85>Guest877: debian methods only work with debian kernels
18:59<lupine_85>ranix: since when did debian use 2.6.19?
18:59<k-man>is it good/bad/other to put swap partitions on software raid1 partitions?
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18:59<Guest877>but knoppix is an debian isnt?
18:59[~]lupine_85 spanks Guest877
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18:59<lupine_85>try #knoppix
18:59<lupine_85>or not
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18:59<ranix>lupine_85: I was just surprised because his level of knowledge isn't at that altitude
18:59<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
18:59<Guest877>why not?
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19:00<lupine_85>aha. better.
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19:00<lupine_85>^ that's why ^
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19:00<ranix>knoppix is to debian as ubuntu is to debian
19:00<Guest877>lupine_85, thanks buddy
19:01<klys>guest877: knoppix is readonly did you know that?
19:01<Guest877>klys, no its not , becouse its installed on hdd
19:01<ranix>klys: err are you sure about this
19:02<ranix>k-man: sorry I didn't notice your question
19:02<ranix>k-man: it is good
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19:02<ranix>k-man: don't put it on raid 1
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19:03<k-man>ranix: so, when i do the debian install, and i create my raid partitions, will it automaticaly create part of the partition for swap?
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19:03<ranix>k-man: You shouldn't have problems because MD is started very early in the boot sequence
19:04<Guest877>ok #knoppix is looks dead room
19:04<lupine_85>swap is overrated anyway :p
19:04<lupine_85>Guest877: on Freenode, not here
19:04[~]lupine_85 huggles his stupidly large RAM
19:04<ranix>k-man: it will create virtual md# devices for /dev/ before that matters. The only thing I would be wary of if I were you is that Grub/(lilo?) can't readMD arrays at boot
19:04<k-man>how do i configure raid in the installer?
19:05<ranix>k-man: so I would put /boot/ on its own partition, raid 1
19:05<klys>guest877: /connect
19:05<k-man>its all going to be raid1
19:05<lupine_85>that said, I have my swap on LVM, and that's started after raid, right?
19:05<Guest877>i getted it
19:05<ranix>k-man: make your swap raid 0
19:05<dpkg>rumour has it, 4.0r1 is the latest update of Debian 4.0, published Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:47:02 UTC
19:05<k-man>ranix, is that faster or something?
19:05[~]zobel hugs dpkg
19:05[~]lupine_85 is, like, teh raid n00b
19:05<ranix>k-man: You need to read up on raid a lot before you implementit
19:06<ranix>k-man: You should know the difference between raid 0, JBOD, raid 1, raid 5, raid 10, and raid 5-0
19:06<ranix>at the very least
19:06<ranix>there is also a very good howto for MD
19:06<frank>you can also make two simple partitions and set same prio for two, then it's striped also afaik
19:06<k-man>ranix: thanks, i already know the differenc e
19:07<ranix>k-man: I doubt it since you asked if swap raid 0 is faster than swap raid 1
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19:07<ranix>k-man: also a good idea is to print your partition table on a solid sheet of paper and put it in your case
19:08<k-man>anyway... where do I find raid stuff in debian installer?
19:08<k-man>ranix: ok, good idea, i wil
19:08<ranix>k-man: it will eventually over the course of years come in handy and you will be glad you did
19:08<Guest877>lupine_85, what u think i better install debian, and come back here for a help? good idea?
19:08<klys>k-man: also your superblock list
19:08<ranix>k-man: play with the partition editor and you should be able to figure a lot of it out. I did. Come here with questions after you format some drives
19:08<lupine_85>Guest877: do whatever you like :)
19:08[~]lupine_85 ---------> bed
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19:09<Guest877>oh yeaah i gonna shoot bill with his vista
19:09[~]ranix slaps Guest877 in the face with a catfish.
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19:09<klys>guest877: jsut use the kernel, install debian after you have the kernel, map, config, and modules in a .tar.gz file
19:09<Guest877>ranix, no thx i dislike a fish
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19:10<Guest877>klys, what u mean?
19:10<klys>guest877: look into framebuffersupport
19:11<Guest877>klys, do i need to download kernel befor i start install?
19:11<klys>guest877: debian abstracts the kernel though it still uses one and will work with yours if yours works
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19:12<klys>you want to know where all the drivers are, see the kernel
19:12<Guest877>klys, i better go to sleep i am too drunk
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19:14<ranix>klys: yhbt
19:14<k-man>so i should have 1 partition for /boot, raid0, and one partition for the rest of the drive for raid1, and then use lvm to break up the raid1 array into / /usr /home /tmp /var etc..?
19:14<ranix>a raid 0 /boot/ would be lulzy
19:14<k-man>i meant, 1 for boot raid1
19:15<k-man>and 1 partion for swap raid0
19:15<ranix>k-man: I separate /var/, /, and /home myself
19:15<k-man>or can i just stick boot in with the lvm on raid1?
19:15<ranix>k-man: you haven't had mysql spew 40 jiggabytes of logs and cause your system to fail because of a full disk before huh
19:16<k-man>ranix: yeah, i was suggesting that, using the default breakup that the installer can give you
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19:16<pabs>what does one do when kill -9 doesn't work?
19:16<ntbnnt>give up
19:16<ranix>pabs: suicide is the only option
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19:17<ranix>k-man: I don't like putting /usr on its own partition personally. I would make /tmp raid 0 also, raid 1 for temp is wasteful
19:17<ntbnnt>maybe he took you serious ranix
19:17<k-man>ranix, ok
19:17<ranix>k-man: but mostly what I'm saying is that you should put thought into your partition table and arrive at understanding.
19:17<ranix>k-man: do it manually if you're doing raid
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19:18<ranix>I mean, it's half the fun
19:18<k-man>so how much space should i give swap and tmp?
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19:18<ranix>I don't put more than 500mb in swapp
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19:19<ranix>if you have 1gb in swap you're probably thrashing anyway
19:19<ranix>but that's not a popular opinion
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19:19<k-man>ranix: so if its raid0, i should have 2 x 256M swap partitions?
19:19<ranix>tmp I like to give 10 gigs if I have it available
19:19<ranix>k-man: yes
19:20<ranix>k-man: the size of /tmp/ depends on what it is
19:20<ranix>k-man: I have a server with 200gb in /temp/
19:20<k-man>ranix: oh, i doubt I'll get to that
19:20<k-man>its mainly a mail server
19:20<k-man>and very light duty database server
19:20<klys>pabs: are you trying to kill a pktcdvd0 process? /etc/init.d/udftools stop
19:20<ranix>k-man: oh, give it a gig and call it a day
19:21<abrotman>k-man: swap is striped anyways
19:21<ranix>k-man: I use /tmp/ for storing dump backups before they're written to tape
19:21<k-man>abrotman: yeah, i had a feeling I had read that somewhere
19:22<ranix>I never considered that
19:22<k-man>abrotman: so i should just add the two swap partitions
19:22<klys>pabs: same goes for most kernel processes, user the initscript
19:22<abrotman>k-man: you don't have to raid0 swap if that's what you're intending
19:22<k-man>ranix: i was going to make a special partition for backups
19:22<abrotman>just make a swap on each drive .. the kernel will do the rest
19:22<k-man>abrotman: cool, ill do that
19:23<ranix>I raid 0ed my swap
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19:23<abrotman>shows what you know
19:23<simonrvn_>probably a waste to raid swap...
19:23<k-man>so how much space for /var?
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19:23<frank>as i already said having the same prio is enough
19:23<abrotman>simonrvn_: raid0 is a waste :)
19:23<abrotman>k-man: depends on the machine purpose
19:23<k-man>abrotman: mailserver, light duty http and database server
19:24<k-man>primarlily its mail... for about 15 users
19:24<abrotman>by default .. DB and WWW are in /var/ .. mail is stored in /var/ also if you use something silly like mbox :)
19:24<abrotman>though i guess that's also configurable
19:24<k-man>oh, all mail is stored in /home in Maildirs under each users account
19:24<frank>depends on the space for /var/www /var/lib/*sql
19:25<abrotman>k-man: so you can throw out the mail bit .. also remember logs go in /var/ and other bits
19:25<simonrvn_>you could probably merge /home and /var depending, and make /var big
19:25<k-man>hmm... does mysql store in /var by default?
19:25<simonrvn_>or not
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19:25<k-man>i want to isolate /var/log in case of log overflow
19:26<ranix>k-man: exim4 or postfix?
19:26<k-man>ranix: postfix
19:26<frank>use logrotate
19:26<ranix>nobody else uses exim?
19:26<simonrvn>k-man: good idea. even with logrotate it's a good idea
19:26<abrotman>plenty do
19:26<k-man>frank: i have had issues where the logs exploded and logrotate wasn't enough to keep them under control (when there was some error condition)
19:26[~]frank also uses exim
19:26<ranix>haven't met one yet
19:26<ranix>hi frank!
19:27<simonrvn>plenty of people use exim
19:27<k-man>ranix: i use exim now.. but i'm going to switch to postfix
19:27<ranix>how come?
19:27<frank>i did the other way round
19:27<k-man>oh freenode the postfix channel is much more crowded than the exim channel
19:27<ranix>haha ok
19:27<simonrvn>more help needed for postfix ;p
19:27<ranix>I think it was peterS who showed me spec.txt is better than an irc chat
19:28<simonrvn>spec.{txt,html} r0xx0rs
19:28<ranix>that's some ten pound documentation there
19:28<k-man>is 2 gig for logs enough?
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19:29<ranix>k-man: let me check
19:29<simonrvn>i manage on 1.5 gb or something
19:29<k-man>current /var/log runs at 110M for me
19:29<k-man>2g should be heaps
19:29<simonrvn>or was it 500 MB?
19:30<ranix>I have 20 days of exim logs in 134 megs
19:30<ranix>so, probably
19:30<ranix>and I run for maybe 80 users
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19:40<jcs7778>Is there a way to configure toutchpads on laptops?
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19:43<chealer>jcs7778: yes
19:43<jcs7778>is there a good driver for this wireless card chipset, google hasn't been very helpfull, here is my lspci out put "03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Airgo Networks Inc AGN100 802.11 a/b/g True MIMO Wireless Card (rev 01)"
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19:44<klys>ranix: have you seen this: (it's alpha but works)
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19:48<chealer>ah, that's a little fresher :)
19:50<baloo>Embattled NFL quarterback Michael Vick, facing federal charges related to his alleged participation in dogfighting, has been hit with a $63B lawsuit filed by a South Carolina inmate accusing the Falcons star stole his pitbulls and sold them on eBay to buy missles from Iran.
19:51<noflash>baloo, please don't do that
19:51<baloo>Oops, I thought I was looking at my #orlug tab...
19:53<abrotman>and you really shouldn't read fox news :)
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19:54<lanceallott>yup, liar and unbalanced
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19:56<baloo>abrotman: Oh, I know Fox is never a credable source.
19:56<baloo>I just came across it in google news
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19:57<mirox>guten tag
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19:58<lanceallott>would anyone know if it is possible to change my running kernel version number to be the same as my linux-kernel-header version number
19:58<klys>lancealott: please refrain from publically diagnosing physical symptoms in individuals you have no visual on
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19:59<klys>if you have beef with someone you should use /msg after getting permission
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20:00<klys>lancealott: the only way to change the output of `uname -r` is to recompile linux
20:00<k-man>in the partition manager, how do i delete a raid device if i made a mistake and want to change it?
20:00<lanceallott> we are getting somewhere
20:00<chealer>klys: no, one just has to install and boot another version
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20:02<klys>chealer: since he asked it backwards I gave him advice which would direct him away from the target. I do not acknowledge a point in my statement.
20:02<lanceallott>is there some way to fiddle with the makefile so that it will just change the version number, but keep everything else the same?
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20:03<chealer>klys: he's already confused. confusing him more is not the way to help.
20:03<klys>lanceallott: there is a special sub-version tag for this that users can modify. for major and minor version numbers, just don't
20:03<klys>chealer: that's not nice
20:04<klys>and I recognize `that' isn't nice either though you're putting me on the spot
20:04<chealer>lanceallott: sure
20:05<chealer>lanceallott: that was an answer to your first question, BTW
20:05<klys>assume you know what you're doing and you deserve everything you get
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20:06<klys> really the subtext behind `that'
20:06<lanceallott>well I trying to get VirtualBox installed and it will not compile and install it's driver module because kernel and header version numbers are not identical
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20:06<klys>modprobe -f
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20:07<klys>also, when using a custom kernel, point /usr/include/linux to /usr/src/linux/include/linux, same deal for asm and asm-generic
20:07<k-man>with the DI, when i create my raid physical partitions, then try to partion them, when it tries to write the partions, i get this error: "error informing the kernel about modifications to partitions /dev/md/0p1 -- invalid argument"
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20:08<k-man>do i need a special installer or something to do md and lvm?
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20:10<lanceallott>I just need my kernel to say that it is 2.6.18-7 instead of 2.6.15-1
20:10<klys>there should be an irc bot for creating and cancelling threads in a newsgruoup or mailing list
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20:12<klys>lanceallot: where you say 'i need X' reasoning from an error message is where you assume you know what you're doing
20:13<lanceallott>i can't find linux-kernel-header2.6.15-1 anywhere but can find kernel patch 2.6.18-7
20:13<klys>lanceallot: the headers are easily derived from your kernel sources, as I have pointed out
20:14<klys>the absence of a headers package is probably just a bug
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20:18<lanceallott>when i first installed sarge on this system it would only detect 980 MB of my 2GB installed
20:18<peterS>lanceallott: linux-kernel-headers is a misleading package name. it is _not_ related to your problem.
20:18<peterS>lanceallott: what you care about is your package
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20:19<schlurchz>Has anyone here pointer to a backport of lastfm 1.3 for Etch?
20:20<abrotman> ?
20:20<abrotman>or /msg dpkg simple sid backport ... perhaps
20:20<schlurchz>No way. It's still at 1.1.x.
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20:22<schlurchz>I'm afraid it has too recent dependencies :-/
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20:23<schlurchz>Hmm, if there's really no alternative, I'll consider trying to compile it myself. But I'm not very optimistic. :-(
20:23<lanceallott>peterS: I believe you, I've already successfully installed VirtualBox on my laptop and another desktop machine, neither ot them have kernelheaders installed at all
20:23<k-man>where are debian installer bugs and issues logged?
20:23<schlurchz>abrotman: thx for the tip
20:23<chealer>k-man: in the BTS
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20:25<chealer>k-man: not that not all d-i bugs are reported on major current issues are listed at
20:25<chealer>s/not that/note that/
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20:27<k-man>thre is a known issue deleting old lvms or something
20:27<k-man>but nothing about deleting old raid partitions
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20:37<lanceallott>so do you think i could just replace linux-kernel-header2.6.18-7 with linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem and would solve my problem
20:40<klys>lanceallott: it might, try it. if it still has a version number in the module you can't use with modprobe -f, link to /usr/src/linux/include/linux
20:40<klys>also asm and asm-generic
20:41<klys>lanceallott: I'm curious what has kept you from solving the problem thus far
20:42<lanceallott>klys: I really appricieate your help and I only wish I could fully comprehend what you are saying to me
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20:44<lanceallott>fear!! of trashing my system
20:45<klys>lanceallot: so parse it: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem, make, make install, modprobe -f <module>, sync, cd /usr/src; ls, sync, cd /usr/include/linux, mv linux ~/linux, ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-7/include/linux linux
20:45<peterS>lanceallott: it is not a matter of "replacing" anything. ignore linux-kernel-headers. it is NOT RELATED to what you are wanting to do.
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20:46<klys>lanceallot: the header availability in /usr/include affects only programs which are not yet compiled. this also goes for /usr/lib/*.a
20:46<peterS>klys: /usr/include also has zero to do with kernel modules, which is what he's talking about
20:47<peterS>klys: please stop telling him to muck around in /usr/include. that is not helpful.
20:47<klys>you're right, it must be consulting the wrong source tree
20:47<klys>as if I was still saying it and you weren't
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20:48<peterS>if some kernel module thing can't find the appropriate symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/, and follow it, that's the problem
20:48<knoppix_>I have a problem with knoppix
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20:48<klys>guest885: /nick coolmanno1
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20:49<peterS>we do too. just kidding, we don't have a problem with knoppix, but we do have a problem with trying to support it. we are #debian, not #knoppix.
20:49<Guest885>oh sorry
20:49<Guest885>I'm new to Linux
20:49<klys>guest885: /connect
20:49<klys>guest885: /nick bis
20:50<peterS>klys: wtf are you going on about now?
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20:50<klys>peterS: just because I can talk faster than you
20:50<peterS>being able to talk faster, but not having anything useful to say, doesn't seem like much of an advantage
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20:51<lanceallott>peterS: you have it exactly right!! Virtualbox installs everthing but the module, if fact I can even run the program and configure a bunch of stuff
20:51<klys>question: did you mean what the freak? accusing banter of being freaky in general is not nice because it would require much elaboration
20:51<Guest885>how do I get to a chatroom that discusses knoppix
20:51<klys>guest885: /connect
20:51<lanceallott>but it won't let me launch a Virtual Machine
20:51<Nyle>what the fuck are you guys on about
20:51<Nyle>just damn man, stop fighting and just run debian
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20:53<Nyle>ok love you thanks you bye
20:53<peterS>Guest885: your irc client is connected to you should use instead (which is a different IRC network), and the channel name will be #knoppix.
20:53<peterS>Nyle: are we harshing your mellow?
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20:53<Nyle>violence man
20:53<klys>guest885: half the guys in there will be borg-guest-droid-number-3003, try to make a good impression, use /nick
20:53<Nyle>debian is like saying ommmm
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20:54<Nyle>now I am one with the universe
20:54<peterS>Nyle: no, no. universe is part of Ubuntu, not Debian
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20:55<Nyle>how could people not like stable software, I got this guy at work crying about how debian is old and useless software and how ubuntu is better because it keeps uptodate with new software
20:56<JackieBrown>so does sid
20:56<Nyle>yes but he claims it is highly unstable
20:56<peterS>this is with or without having tried it?
20:56<Stumbles>is "dmraid" related to the cheap raid controller built into my motherboard, or the software raid provided by the kernel?
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20:56<Nyle>peterS: apparantly having tried stable and not liking the lack of updated software
20:56<peterS>Stumbles: it bridges the two, actually
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20:57<Nyle>didn't want to bother with backports or any kind of work whatever
20:57<piper>sid is very stable
20:57<jherrera>does ssh encrypt all the data that sends over the net? (including X11 forwarding) ?
20:57<Nyle>yeh well it can give you poo too
20:57<JackieBrown>sid has been very stable for the past year
20:57<lanceallott>well anyway, i have Linux Kernel in A Nutshell by Greg Kroah-Hartman, i'am gonna study it and solve this problem...someday :{
20:57<Nyle>JackieBrown: yes
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20:57<piper>actually longer
20:57<Nyle>wrong guy
20:57<Nyle>jherrera: yes
20:58<Stumbles>petemS: perhaps that's what's fueling my confusion then -- after looking around for a while I had gathered that I should avoid dmraid and just use software raid in the kernel.
20:58<Nyle>wait who are you people
20:58<Nyle>where the heck am I
20:58<Nyle>ohh.. this is oftc
20:58<piper>youe at #debian
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20:58<Nyle>yessir, wrong network I don't usually chat here
20:58<klys>a long time ago I asked what sort of packages need to be stable before testing is released. I was told the main issues are usually with the installer packages
20:59<klys>testing has been released two or three times since then
20:59<JackieBrown>yeah, seeing piper here threw me
20:59<klys>so I ask again: same question
20:59<piper>hi JackieBrown ;) i have been here on and off seems like forever :)
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21:00<piper>hey DeepDayze
21:00<DeepDayze>hi piper :)
21:00<DeepDayze>good to see you here!
21:00<DeepDayze>you are all over IRC, LOL
21:00<JackieBrown>ok, now I know I am on the wrong irc
21:00<piper>been a day or two
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21:00<piper>JackieBrown: lol
21:00<DeepDayze>hi jackie
21:00<DeepDayze>you seem familiar
21:00<chealer>klys: no specific sort. all of them.
21:01<klys>chealer: currently though, the status of testing
21:01<chealer>klys: currently
21:01<JackieBrown>klys: it not just the packages, it whether there has been enough of a change to warrant a new release
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21:02<jherrera>Nyle, so does sending big chunks of data over ssh sounds stupid? (like sending video+audio)
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21:02<k-man>how do i completly remove a raid array and its partitions?
21:02<abrotman>jherrera: depends how much you value it
21:02<JackieBrown>he craigevil
21:03<klys>when most of your main environments have changed the x.y to a couple new y numbers, is it good then?
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21:03<Nyle>jherrera: eh.. it can be slow yes
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21:04<jherrera>kk, I better find a video streamer app instead of sshing it
21:04<chealer>klys: the release is time-based. the goal is 18 months.
21:05<klys>so it's more of a snapshot ordeal than a diff ordeal
21:05<jherrera>abrotman not interested in making it secure
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21:05<jherrera>abrotman, but I was asking because of ssh ease of use
21:05<klys>debian does not aim at uniqueness though uniqueness is our specialty
21:06<abrotman>jherrera: if qualityisn't affected .. does it matter? :)
21:06<k-man>im struggling to get the partition manager to just delete or remove all raid arrays so I can start again
21:06<k-man>any ideas what I could do?
21:06<Nyle>jherrera: might be better if you do a lot of audio/video
21:06<dondelelcaro>k-man: all you have to do is clear the raid superblock
21:07<dondelelcaro>k-man: or are you talking about in the installer?
21:07<Nyle>jherrera: every packet is encrypted using 128bit encryption and decryption at the end, you're looking at good chunk of cpu usage if you have a slow machine
21:07<k-man>dondelelcaro: well, i'm in the installer now, but I'm happy to drop to a shell to do it
21:07<k-man>dondelelcaro: how do i do it?
21:07<k-man>the installer fails with an error when i try and delete the raid partitions
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21:08<dondelelcaro>k-man: if you haven't written the changes to disk, you should be able to go back to the beginning
21:08<Stumbles>peterS: (whoops mistyped your nick before) perhaps that's what's fueling my raid confusion then -- after looking around for a while I had gathered that I should avoid dmraid and just use software raid in the kernel. Do I in fact need to use dmraid to do kernel-based raid?
21:08<k-man>dondelelcaro: i have written changes to disk
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21:09<dondelelcaro>k-man: is this a new install?
21:09<k-man>dondelelcaro: yeah, no data to worry about
21:09<k-man>i can scrub the whole thing
21:09<peterS>Stumbles: dmraid is for reading a raid setup that you've set up in your RAID BIOS, and using that as Linux software RAID. if you don't need the BIOS RAID setup screen, you don't need dmraid
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21:10<Stumbles>peterS: thankyou, that's exactly the explanation i was hoping for :)
21:10<dondelelcaro>k-man: the easiest way would be to just start the installer over
21:11<k-man>dondelelcaro: i did already, but it still remembers the raid setup
21:11<dondelelcaro>k-man: but if that doesn't work, you can run mdadm --zero-superblock on each of the mdadm devices
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21:11<k-man>thanks dondelelcaro
21:11<dondelelcaro>k-man: something like mdadm misc --zero-superblock /dev/sda1; iirc.
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21:17<kolqn>i am speak on russian
21:17<kolqn>anybody speak on russian?
21:17<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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21:20<kolqn>Supaplex: tnx=)
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21:22<k-man>ok, so after finaly creading my raid array, i try to set up the lvm's using guided partitioning, and I get this error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/md/0p1 -- Invalid argument.
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21:22<k-man>it goes on to say that linux won't know about changes until i reboot
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21:34<lanceallott>kyls ; peterS: your discussion about wrong tree and other module points got me to do a little invistigating and sure enough to module vboxusr was built for two kernel version
21:35<lanceallott>so by using the command modprobe -f vboxusr it chose to install the correct one for my running kernel and now all is working well
21:35<lanceallott>thanks for your help
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21:39<kolqn>what do you find game Tux-racer?
21:39<kolqn>soory for may bad english..
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21:45<aajvs99>anyone interested in creating a new linux distro?
21:45<Jptob>what kind of?
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21:46<kolqn>i am find planet penguin racer...analog tux-racer=)
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21:48<tarzeau>aajvs99: tried yet?
21:50<aajvs99>no i have not
21:50<aajvs99>thanks for the link
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21:51<chealer>aajvs99: this is offtopic.
21:52<chealer>kolqn: if you meant "where do you find game Tux-racer?", the new name is planetpenguin-racer
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21:57<kolqn>chealer: tnx)
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22:11<fAP>Anyone here to help me out?
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22:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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22:14<fAP>I'm having some issues, and I'm not sure with what. I try to connect to certain IRC servers, like WebChat, and I get a connection timeout. Also, I can't connect to AIM, but I can connect to MSN. And I'm running a SHOUTcast server on my line and box, but people can't connect to it.
22:14<fAP>Anyone know what the deal is?
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22:15<dpkg>tetrinet is, like, multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now.
22:15<astronut>anyone for it?
22:16<Waddledee>fAP: I'm not sure what to say. The only thing that springs to mind is maybe check your firewall settings, if you have them.
22:16<blarson>fAP: Could be a routing issue, Could be an mtu issue,
22:16<fAP>I have no firewall, and I don't have a router.
22:17<astronut>fAP: isp? connection type?
22:17<fAP>Optimum Online, cable.
22:17<blarson>fAP: But your ISP does have a router. try turning off MTU discovery, that's something you may be able to fix.
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22:18<blarson>fAP: (Actually work around others broken routers.)
22:18<fAP>MTU discovery?
22:18<astronut>fAP: try a traceroute to somewhree that doesn't work and see if you see where you lose it?
22:18<astronut>blarson: tetrinet?
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22:18<dpkg>i heard amarok is THE audio player for KDE
22:18<kolqn>apt-get install amarok
22:19<fAP>astronut: What?
22:20<blarson>fAP: That's something to search for. I don't remember how to do it offhand.
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22:20<fAP>Well, see, I only started having these issues on Monday afternoon.
22:20<fAP>And I don't remember installing or messing with anything then. Just afk doing some stuff.
22:21<fAP>Then I disconnected from random IRC servers. Never was the same since.
22:21<blarson>astronut: I'm to tired to learn how to play it now. I was out doing openstreetmap logs all day on my bike. (at least until my GPS broke.)
22:22<astronut>blarson: ah, fun
22:22<astronut>blarson: it's use left to moveit left, right to move it right, space to drop, up to rotate
22:22<blarson>astronut: Not so fun when it's over 100. But I was waiting for my car to be fixed.
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22:23<astronut>blarson: where are you located again?
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22:23<blarson>astronut: Los Angeles. Car dealer in Alhambra.
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22:24<fAP>No ideas?
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22:24<blarson>fAP: Call your ISP. Sounds like their problem.
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22:25<fAP>I called them. Funny thing that made me laugh is they said they couldn't change my IP for me, since my friend recommended that
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22:25<fAP>I do that.
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22:30<fAP>Well, thanks for the help guys.
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22:44<Mindtech>hey guys
22:44<Mindtech>Has anyone installed ATI drivers?
22:44<LoneTech>I have.
22:44<Mindtech>Are there any packages, or did you do it manually?
22:45<LoneTech>there are packaging scripts in their installer package, access them with --listpkg and --buildpkg options
22:45<Mindtech>I tired it that way and it messed up my X system
22:45<Mindtech>I couldnt get back into it
22:45<LoneTech>building it shouldn't do anything to your X.
22:46<chaoticmass>I have Debian Etch already installed on a laptop hard drive, when I put the drive into a USB enclosure and boot to it (on a system that can boot to USB HD) Grub says something "Grub 1.5 Loading" "Error 18". The hard drive/hard ware configuration has changed obviously, but I can't figure out how to fix it. I chroot'ed into the drive and tried changing the but no success.
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22:46<ranix>apt-cache search radeon ?
22:47<LoneTech>chaoticmass: you'll want grub set up to accept what disk BIOS says it's loaded from, that's part of the setup/install command
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22:48<chaoticmass>LoneTech : so if I chroot into the drive to make the changes, what command do I use? grub-install?
22:48<chaoticmass>Or what file do I modify?
22:49<LoneTech>it may be part of the grub-install script behaviour, I'd have to read the docs. it's not stored in a file but where stage1, stage1.5 and stage2 look for the remaining stages and config file.
22:50<chaoticmass>LoneTech : I will try researching along those lines
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22:51<LoneTech>essentially you should run grub's install command without the d option.. I'm not really sure about it
22:52<k-man>why does the installer sometimes only give me the option if installing lilo? and not grub?
22:52<aajvs99>anyone interested in developing a new linux distribution
22:52<aajvs99>the first with compiz-fusion?
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22:52<blarson>k-man: grub can't handle some partition types. (I forget which.)
22:53<k-man>blarson: oh...
22:53<k-man>like lvm or something?
22:53<blarson>k-man: yes.
22:53<Nemoder>aajvs99: I think sabayon already did that
22:53<k-man>i see
22:53<aajvs99>nope they have beryl
22:53<aajvs99>not compiz
22:53<NotLim>someone knows how can i install 32-bit on debian amd64?
22:54<blarson>k-man: as long as /boot is on a normal partion grub should be fine.
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22:54<k-man>blarson: ah.. thats where I went wrong
22:54<chaoticmass>LoneTech : trying to find good info on grub-install... the man page is lacking details
22:54<LoneTech>NotLim: it's in ia32-libs
22:55<LoneTech>chaoticmass: afaict there's no good documentation on that script. grub-doc contains the info document
22:55<aajvs99>plus its KDE based
22:55<aajvs99>im goin GNOME
22:55<NotLim>The following extra packages will be installed:
22:55<NotLim> lib32asound2 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1 libasound2 lsb-release
22:55<NotLim>specifically, which?
22:56<LoneTech>NotLim: ia32-libs isn't a metapackage, it just depends in a few more libs.
22:56<NotLim>okay, thanks
22:56<chaoticmass>LoneTech : have to reboot to try this out. If I don't see you again tonight it probably is working. Thanks :)
22:56<LoneTech>chaoticmass: good luck
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22:58<LoneTech>aajvs99: not my cup of tea, good luck though
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22:59<chealer>aajvs99: developing a Linux distribution is offtopic here
22:59<aajvs99>yah well theres no one in the offtopic boarrd
22:59<aajvs99>i channel
22:59<aajvs99>god i cant type tonite
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23:01<k-man>does it matter any more these days if swap is at the beginning or end of the drive?
23:01<k-man>if it is at the beginning of the drive, will the data rate be higher?
23:01<k-man>does it even matter?
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23:01<elmarian>doesnt matter at all !
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23:02<elmarian>if you want to improve swap performance, you can set up 2 swap partitions on different drive channels
23:03<moomoocow>Hi there, what channel can I get help with regards to forwarding PPP1 connections to a specific internal IP address using iproute2?
23:03<LoneTech>I've run into a bug in a package, and when I checked upstream it turns out to be old. It has been marked as being adopted 300 days ago with several new bug reports and no new package. Should I try to adopt that myself?
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23:03<elmarian>you need to have 2 drives though
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23:08<Mindtech>Has anyone installed ATI drivers on etch?
23:08<ranix>Mindtech: I've installed them many times
23:08<ranix>have they ever worked? That's another question for another day
23:09<Mindtech>Should I bother to install it?
23:09<Mindtech>Will I see any difference?
23:09<ranix>in my opinion, you should not bother
23:09<Mindtech>How can I tell what driver etch is using
23:09<Mindtech>currently for my video card
23:10<NotLim>thanks a lot!
23:10<elmarian>mindtech: you should consider returning your video card and purchase a linux-friendly one :P
23:10<LoneTech>Mindtech: if you have working drivers, I would not recommend installing ATI's.
23:10<chealer>LoneTech: this one (if any)
23:11<Mindtech>ranix, elmarian, what command can I use to see which driver the default installation is using
23:11<chealer>LoneTech: sorry
23:11<chealer>moomoocow: this one (if any)
23:11<elmarian>its in your X11 config file
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23:11<chealer>LoneTech: which one?
23:12<LoneTech>sorry, chealer, you're confusing me.
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23:12<chealer>LoneTech: which package?
23:12<elmarian> vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
23:12<LoneTech>I'm using it for my first PIC project, and was surprised when it started segfaulting.
23:13<chealer>LoneTech: did you contact the ITA owner(s)?
23:13<LoneTech>I have minor experience with compilers and am more used to AVR
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23:14<LoneTech>not yet, I just noticed the problem. Currently trying to see if that bug is fixed upstream, as at least one other is marked as
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23:15<gds631>hey, i need some help installing debian with a perc5 card in raid 1
23:15<chealer>LoneTech: there's already an ITA, so start by contacting its owner(s)
23:15<elmarian>lonetech : have you tried to get mplab work with wine ?
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23:15<NotLim>can anyone help me a little? i need to run a 32-bit application natively on debian amd64
23:15<gds631>the netisnt works fine, but when it tries to boot w/o the install disk, it says it cannot find /dev/sdb1
23:15<LoneTech>elmarian: no, I've never seen mplab.
23:15<NotLim>it runs, but i'm getting some errors
23:16<LoneTech>btw, what is WNPP?
23:16<gds631>anyone ever tried something like this before?
23:17<gds631>any debian installs on hardware raid 1?
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23:20<k-man>finaly managed to partion everything
23:20<k-man>guided partitioning is totaly broken with lvm on raid afaict
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23:28<Mindtech>how i validate files using md5
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23:33<Supaplex>or just leave. that's the easy way...
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23:36<k-man>Supaplex: yeah... strange how people do that.. ask a question and then leave 2 minutes later
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23:37<oxymor00n>after 1 minute they get bored and google it
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23:40<chealer>!tell LoneTech about wnpp
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23:43<Supaplex>wnpp. neat.
23:43[~]Supaplex bookmarks it
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23:46<Supaplex>interesting. some of these I use are RFA now.
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