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---Logopened Fri Aug 17 00:00:02 2007
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00:00<predder>yes you may
00:00<predder>oh :(
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00:21<Requiem>how do I find the module I need for a given optical drive? (This one is a SATA drive)
00:22<jm_>you need sr_mod
00:22<Requiem>+-----------------------------that's not an option
00:22[~]Requiem is at the install screen
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00:23<jm_>and who says installer doesn't have the same modules ...
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00:25<Requiem>this one has aztcd, cdrom, cdu31a, cm206, gscd, isp16, mcdx, optcd, sbcd, sjcd and sonycd535
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00:26<jm_>no, those are for old CD-ROM drives, look under SCSI
00:28<Requiem>how do I look under SCSI?
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00:33<vander>Hello my Friends!
00:33<vander>any one play ITM64?
00:34<vander>Game for IT people
00:35<Requiem>not heard of it
00:35<Requiem>How do I use modprobe?
00:35<Requiem>there's no docs in the install shell
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00:37<brislingf>hi, anyone in here with expirence on postfix on a debian etch ?
00:38<vander>play at:
00:39<simonrvn>vander: go away
00:40<vander>simonrvn: excuse me?
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00:54<vander>I'm going for a few cookies..
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00:55<gsimmons>brislingf: Just go ahead and ask your question.
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01:03<Requiem>there is seriously jack on the internet about this issue...
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01:13<valdyn>Requiem: you shouldnt need to do anything for a cdrom drive, as long as it is on a supported disk controller
01:13<Requiem>how do find that out?
01:13<valdyn>Requiem: its not supported if its not found automagically, in debian
01:14<valdyn>Requiem: unless you use your own custom kernel
01:15<valdyn>Requiem: i dont know what you're running, or what you controller is or what you are trying to do / install
01:15<jm_>wouldn't be the first person with SATA ATAPI device that was not detected properly, but worked after sr_mod is loaded
01:15<valdyn>oh, yea, that bug
01:15<valdyn>Requiem: try ^^
01:15<Requiem>yeah, but I can't load sr_mod (or just don't know how)
01:16<valdyn>Requiem: 'modprobe sr_mod'
01:17<jm_>run: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
01:17<valdyn>Requiem: thats ok, the module just got loaded fine ( or was already loaded )
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01:18<Requiem>no output from the grep either
01:18<jm_>is there anything other than fd0 and loop in /sys/block?
01:19<jm_>then it's probably a case of unsupported controller like valdyn said
01:19<valdyn>Requiem: uname -r
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01:19<Requiem>the g33 chipset is pretty new
01:20<jm_>ahh yeah that will likely need 2.6.21 - there's an installer with it
01:20<jm_>or was it 2.6.20? don't quite remember
01:20<valdyn>Requiem: you need 2.6.21+ ( or at least i havent bothered to try an older kernel than that
01:20<Requiem>aren't odd numbers the betas?
01:20<valdyn>Requiem: on g33
01:20<jm_>Requiem: not anymore
01:20<Requiem>okay, so where do I find a more up to date kernel?
01:21<valdyn>Requiem: never were at that spot ( the minor version number 21 )
01:21<Requiem>preferable without loading unstable for the whole thing
01:21<valdyn>!etch 2.6.21
01:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, etch 2.6.21 is avaiable at - ask me about <bpo>
01:21<valdyn>Requiem: no idea.
01:21<Requiem>okay... so how do I backport a kernel into the install disk?
01:23<valdyn>!sarge 2.6.21
01:23<valdyn>!sarge 2.6.20
01:23<dpkg>[sarge 2.6.20]
01:23<valdyn>Requiem: check out
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01:23<valdyn>Requiem: there's etch installers too
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01:24<valdyn>Requiem: you will need a newer X too afaik
01:25<valdyn>Requiem: ..for the onboard gfx chip
01:25<valdyn>Requiem: newer than etch that is.
01:26<Requiem>I checked the version in stable, it supports the GMA 3100
01:26<Requiem>barely, first release to do it iirc
01:26<Requiem>but it's there
01:27[~]Requiem notes to self "Do not buy the shiney new maybe supported hardware next time"
01:28<Requiem>Think I may need to RMA this hard drive.
01:29<Requiem>was burning hot a littlw whie back when I was checking to make sure the CD-drive was seated properly
01:29<Requiem>And I haven't even started writing too it
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01:30<Requiem>anybody know how hot hard drives are supposed to get these days? This is my first one made this millenium.
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01:33<samoth13>why whith iptables you can have a ftp connection with no items please or where i can have som information
01:34<Requiem>um, no items?
01:35<Requiem>You mean like letting all traffic through?
01:35<Requiem>or just having all outbound/no inbound?
01:36<samoth13>i don't know...
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01:38<samoth13>i don't know ... how you do for know if it inbound or inbount
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01:40<Requiem>um, there's one list of inbound, one list of outbound
01:41<samoth13>bon ok je vais continuer a chercher...
01:41<Requiem>by default, everything not in outbound goes through, and everything not in inbound gets blocked
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01:45<Requiem>I was actually useful?
01:45<Requiem>that's a new one
01:45<jm_>Requiem: 45C is OK
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01:46<Requiem>45c? that the hard drive temp?
01:46<Requiem>think whatever the problem was is fixed though, my hard drive light isn't staying lit anymore
01:47[~]Requiem turns it back on to see if that's the case.
01:47<Requiem>Have to see if the drive has a temp monitor as well
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01:48<jm_>hddtemp - any decent drive will report it
01:48[~]Requiem nods
01:48<jm_>smartctl will also show it
01:49<Branden>Omg! Something is wrong, I booted my computer and it said there was a boot load error. Then GRUB loads, and it loads into Debian, but it says it can't access tty. Someone please help! All my backups are on Debian!
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01:51<Requiem>I'm downloading a GNOME debian image aren't I?
01:52<Branden>CAn someone please help me!
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01:53<suiside>Branden: start by giving us the exact errors
01:53<Branden>I have.
01:53<Branden>Omg! Something is wrong, I booted my computer and it said there was a boot load error. Then GRUB loads, and it loads into Debian, but it says it can't access tty. Someone please help! All my backups are on Debian!
01:54<Requiem>is tty important?
01:54<Requiem>I just said something really dumb didn't I?
01:54<Branden>The main error is: Master Boot Record Error
01:55<Requiem>You're MBR is fried?
01:55<Branden>I don't know.
01:55<Branden>I know I can't loose the stuff on that Harddrive because its ALLLLL my stuff.
01:55<Requiem>It's what it sounds like. Did you put /home on a different partition from /?
01:55<Branden>Even from this computer because I just did a restore on this one.
01:56<Requiem>that'd let you OSRI without losing data
01:56<Branden>Everything is on one partition.
01:56<Requiem>well bugger
01:56<Requiem>Go grab a liveCD and use that to access your data then
01:56<Branden>Is there a way to fix the MBR?
01:56<Requiem>assuming you have some means of getting the data off the drive once you access it
01:57<Requiem>though there's one other thing. Only two things I know of cause MBR issues. One is a virus, the other is a fialing hard drive.
01:57<Branden>Wellllllll. I just installed a 2nd harddrive, and the SATA came unpluged...
01:58<jm_>perhaps it's available under different device name now
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01:58<Branden>I'm not sure. How can I find this out? I have access to the ASH.
01:58<Branden>If I said that right. lol
01:58<Requiem> whee
01:58<Branden>I also have access to the GRUB command line.
01:58<Requiem>MBR fixes for Linux users
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01:59<jm_>cat /sys/block/sd*/device/model
01:59<Branden>Ok. Let me goo do that.
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02:00<Branden>Ok. Two came up.
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02:00<Branden>I'm guessing one is my main drive and the other is the one I just installed.
02:00<jm_>now you need to find out if sda is still your old main drive
02:00<Branden>How do I do this?
02:01<jm_>well maybe look at their partitions if you don't know which model is which
02:01<Branden>How? (Sorry, still new)
02:02<jm_>cat /proc/partitions ; fdisk -l /dev/sda ; fdisk -l /dev/sdb
02:02<jm_>if you at least remember partition layout
02:04<Branden>sda has 2 partitions and sdb has 4
02:05<jm_>so how many did your old drive have then?
02:05<Branden>Should be 2, I think... SWAP and files.
02:06<jm_>well then it's still sda, so that shouldn't be the reason for a failure
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02:06<Branden>What can I do now?
02:07<jm_>you'll need to read what it says on screen to find exact problem
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02:09<Branden>When its mounting everything for startup, it has a bunch of "No such file or directory"
02:09<Branden>So maybe it is sdb?
02:09<jm_>well could be, you'll need to find out on your own
02:10<Requiem>right, need the internet for the debian install now, thanks for all your help
02:10<Branden>On GRUB, its looking in hd0, is that normal?
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02:13<Metalqga>can't compile a kernel...
02:14<Metalqga>internal compiler error: Segmentation fault when compiling the modules
02:14<jm_>eww, that usually indicates hardware problems
02:15<Metalqga>i don't think so, i used to compile kernels under other os
02:15<Metalqga>its so strange
02:16<Branden>Yep, I fixed it!
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02:17<Branden>It was b not a. :D
02:17<jm_>ok so your memory is really appalling
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02:18<Branden>Hey.. Like I said. I'm new to this.
02:19<EmleyMoor>Is the release of r1 the reason why I have 47 updates today?
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02:20<jm_>being new doesn't have anything to do with not remembering such things as number of partitions etc.
02:21<Metalqga>can an overclocked cpu do this thing?
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02:23[~]EmleyMoor is used to two or three updated at a time - but 47?
02:23<jm_>so why don't you read what the update brings?
02:24<lupine_85>mm, overclocked cpu can do all sorts of fun stuff
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02:24<Metalqga>it's rock solid
02:24<EmleyMoor>jm_: Where can I read what it brings? No info available yet
02:24<lupine_85>yes, of course it is
02:24<Metalqga>2400+ to 2800+ not a big deal
02:24<lupine_85>hence why gcc is segfaulting
02:24<jm_>yeah so rock solid compiler started segfaulting ;)
02:24<EmleyMoor>Ah - I didn't know about times
02:25<lupine_85>you're crazy and/or stupid
02:25<Metalqga>why is that?
02:26<lupine_85>10% is about the absolute limit, in most cases
02:26<lupine_85>(though we should be talking clock speed, not rating)
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02:27<lupine_85>12.5%... still >> than any sane person would recommend
02:28<lupine_85>7% is the max I've ever overclocked a CPU, and I got random system freezes with that
02:28<Metalqga>i'll downclock in the evening and report if you're interested
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02:28<jm_>actually 50% overclocks were not uncommon, just remember eleron 300 working at 450
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02:28<jm_>but not for Athlon64
02:29<Metalqga>running like that for a year, no unexplained freezes
02:29<Metalqga>its athlon xp
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02:31<Metalqga>ok, i'm going to the beach, bye
02:31<k-man>i seem to recall reading somewhere that you can take a snapshot of an lvm, is that correct?
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02:35<Branden>Ok. Back. Now how can I mount that second harddrive that I just put in?
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02:38<Branden>This might be a problem, I'm getting this when I click on the harddrive in "Computer": mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /
02:38<Branden>mount failed
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02:40<samoth13>can you tel me why thers's rule don't start :--->iptables -D OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 21 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 21 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT for connect to ftp server??? please
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02:42<samoth13>i have tried with ports range and its not good too
02:42<jm_>!iptables tutorial
02:42<dpkg>hmm... iptables tutorial is
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02:42<lupine_85>k-man: yep
02:42<jm_>keep in mind FTP is complicated and needs two ports
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02:48<Branden>Can someone help me. I'm getting this error when I try to mount my other harddrive in "computer"
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02:50<Branden>Am I not mounting it right or something?
02:53<Branden>Can someone help me. I'm getting this error when I try to mount my other harddrive in "computer"
02:54<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
02:55<Branden>I was repeating it for the 4 new people that entered the room that may be able to help.
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02:57<janpascal>When doing apt-get update, I get: "Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch"
02:58<janpascal>I've tried waiting a couple of minutes in case it's in the middle of mirroring, but that didn't help. Anyone any idea?
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03:03<Branden>How can I find out the filesystem type of a non-mounted harddrive?
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03:06<oskie>Branden: try using 'file' on the device
03:06<Branden>How do I do this?
03:07<chuy_max>oskie, I doubt it will work
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03:07<Branden>/dev/sdb: block special (8/16)
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03:09<oskie>Branden: use 'file -s '
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03:10<Branden>/dev/sdb: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, starthead 1, startsector 63, 488392002 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011
03:10<oskie>chuy_max: it works perfectly well
03:10<oskie>Branden: then try /dev/sdb1, and so on
03:10<Branden>/dev/sdb1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80)
03:11<Branden>Thats all there is.
03:11<berto>Branden: you can mount it with the 'auto' flag
03:11<Branden>Hm? Sorry, I'm really new to this all.
03:12<chuy_max>oskie :O, yeah, didn't work if you don't send -s and do it as root
03:12<berto>mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/whatever
03:14<chuy_max>Branden, if you are mounting an NTFS partition you may want to look at ntfs-3g, or don't write the disk at all, otherwise you risk yourself to damage the filesystem
03:14<Branden>Well, it has stuff on it already, I want to take the stuff off and reformat it as ext3 or something
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03:16<chuy_max>Branden, this is what I use to mount windows: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win/ -o uid=chuy
03:17<Branden>How come unmount don't work?
03:18<Branden>Oh.. Ops.. Sorry. lolz
03:19<Branden>It says device is busy.
03:19<Branden>If I restart the computer, will it unmount?
03:20<chuy_max>well, close the apps that use the device (nautilus, change the dir in bash)
03:20<Branden>Well. Thats the thing, nothing came up when I mounted.
03:21<Branden>When I mounted the drive, it didn't show up where I mounted it to.
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03:25<porta>how can i go about installing kde on debian?
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03:26<gsimmons>!tell porta -about install kde
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03:28<lanceallott>peterS: are you awake?
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03:29<porta>gsimmons: hate to ask.. i'm still getting my feet wet. do i use command line or pachage manager to do this?
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03:30<lupine_85>porta: either works just as well
03:30<gsimmons>porta: Whatever you prefer. "aptitude install kde" would probably be the quickest.
03:30<porta>thank you. is there a link to where i may read up on installing in debian? I'm working on my 5th day with debian
03:31<gsimmons>!tell porta -about qref
03:31<gsimmons>porta: See section 6 of that reference.
03:31<porta>ty again :-)
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03:32<lanceallott>porta: I thing if you go to and look under documentation you will find the latest Etch Installation Guide
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03:33<porta>ok... and that command... wow it is pulling kde!
03:33<porta>thank you again!
03:33<Branden>Ok. So I have it mounted to /mnt/external But its read only for root. How can I save ALL the files from that harddrive to a /root/external ?
03:33<flow-control>How do i enable flow-control for an ethernetcard?
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03:36<Waddledee>I want to run the command 'freetype-config', but I don't know what package it's in. Can someone help me out?
03:37<gsimmons>!tell Waddledee -about search
03:37<jm_>Waddledee: so the answer is "yes, someone can"
03:38<lanceallott>Waddledee: you could try locate freetype-config
03:38<jm_>if that would work he wouldn't be asking this
03:39<Waddledee>Okay, that looks like it did the trick. Thanks!
03:39<Waddledee>(The search thing, I mean.)
03:40<Branden>Erm.... All my files on this NTFS harddrive are Read-Only... I can't change the permissions either. :( How can I save all these files?
03:40<dpkg>ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish.
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03:43<porta>using gaim for msn IMing it wont connect
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03:46<samoth13>for my ftp i have trie this tutoral : but i don't know why is not exact
03:47<samoth13>i have no active and passive ftp
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03:54<lanceallott>!tell lanceallott -about search
03:55<porta>gsimons: one question about aptitude... with wanting to install kde i used kde how can i find the name of packages of other installs?
03:56<Branden>Porta apt-chache search kde
03:56<porta>apt for aplication
03:56<porta>i understand that :-)
03:57<Branden>:D Your Welcome.
03:57<oxymor00n>aptitude search kde works too
03:57<Branden>Ohhhh. Ok. Didn't know that. I mainly use Apt-* instead of apititude. Easyer to type. :P
03:57<jm_>aptitude search is not as useful without using its advanced search patterns
03:58<porta>aptitude --help is that how to see other search options?
03:59<jm_>no, read its documentation
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04:01<porta>how big should a normal / partition be?
04:02<oxymor00n>depends. do you put home on an extra partition? usr? and so on
04:02<porta>my /home is a second ide harddrive that is 80gigs
04:03<porta>only / and swap are on my primary ide
04:03<porta>swap is 1.5 gigs
04:03<porta>the rest is /
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04:04<porta>maybe i should ask what is the smallest partition size with out running into problems with updates or new releases?
04:04<lanceallott>porta: what about /usr /var and /tmp
04:04<porta>they are apart of /
04:04<samoth13>it's so difficult to have ftp connection
04:04<porta>only swap and /home are different rest are apart of /
04:04<Branden>How is it deficult to have a FTP connection?
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04:06<oxymor00n>over the thumb i'd say 10gig are enough but it really depends on how lean you keep your system and so on
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04:07<lanceallott>porta: /usr /var /tmp are variable directories that can fill up over time and crash your system if they are under /
04:07<porta>variable?? changing in size?
04:08<lanceallott>well their content grows
04:08<porta>can stuff in them be deleted as in the /tmp?
04:08<Branden>How can I pull information on a holder? Like size?
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04:09<Branden>folder* Sorry.
04:09<jm_>there are no folders in Unix
04:10<Branden>Not use to this keyboard. I'm on my Linux computer right now sorting the harddrives.
04:10<jm_>filesystem wise
04:10<Branden>Ok. Direcorts, then.
04:10<jm_>man du
04:10<jm_>there are also GUI tools - xdiskusage is pretty nice
04:11<Branden>Well, I want to stick with the command line. ;) I don't like GUI stuff with Linux, mostly because I'm always accessing it VIA SSH.
04:11<jm_>never heard of ssh X forwarding?
04:11<sidiali>hello, any help conerning driver of a nvidia geforce4 MX4000 graphic-card? I downloaded the driver from the nvidia-site but i cant install it? any idea or help please?
04:12<jm_>I also prefer command line, but certain things are nicely done in GUI
04:12<jm_>sidiali: don't -- use the debian way to install it
04:12<jm_>sidiali: and you'll probably need to use the legacy driver
04:12<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
04:12<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
04:13<sidiali>I'm using etch on an amd-64 machine
04:13<jm_>eww, amd64 with such crap card ;)
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04:14<sidiali>it's not mine.. just for friend
04:15<lanceallott>sidiali: if you are talking about the .run file ..then check its permissions,
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04:15<sidiali>lanceallott, i did that but i should have any nvidia-kernel or something like that
04:16<lupine_85>if you're going to use the installer, you remove all the debian-supplied stuff and reinstall after every update of xserver-xorg. Oh, and you'll have to symlink to the TLS & glx & files
04:16<lanceallott>do know about nvidia kernel but you will need nv modules loaded
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04:17<lanceallott>oops dont
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04:19<sidiali>so i try the method proposed from dpkg
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04:21<m_g>hi people
04:22<dpkg>methinks nvidia_legacy is If you're using a Geforce2 or older card, you need to use the nvidia legacy driver instead of the normal one. If you're asked to install packages, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-...... instead of nvidia-kernel-......, and nvidia-glx-legacy. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy_cards> for a list of old cards supported by the legacy driver.
04:22<m_g>EXT2-fs error (device hda3): ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 513630 <- is that an error or just a warning which is printed e.g. when the system was shut down uncleanly?
04:22<lupine_85>sidiali: yes, with that qualification
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04:26<flow-control>How do i enable flow-control for an ethernetcard?
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04:27<jm_>flow-control: how do you enable what?
04:29<flow-control>link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
04:30<jm_>I am not sure if you can enable or disable that at all
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04:31<flow-control>on my linkpartner surely not, but on my own eth0?
04:31<jm_>yeah I was refering to your side
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04:32<jm_>see if ethtool or mii-diag allow for it
04:32<jm_>doesn't look like it to me
04:32<flow-control>no ethtool an mii-tool were not able to do so
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04:32<lanceallott>flow-control: try and just type flow-control in the search box
04:33<bcochofel>Hi, need some help with bluetooth devices on my etch. My pc can find my phone but my phone can't find my pc
04:33<jm_>why would you disable that anyway?
04:33<flow-control>i'd like to enable it on my site
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04:34<jm_>why do you think it's not enabled as is?
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04:35<jm_>ahh ethtool can set it
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04:41<m_g>anybody? :)
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04:42<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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04:43<lupine_85>m_g: it's a filesystem inconsistency. probably a warning.
04:43<lupine_85>did you run fsck on it?
04:44<m_g>no not yet, the system is used for emailing etc. so i wanted to ask for it first before taking it down
04:44<lupine_85>probably best to fsck it
04:45<m_g>oki, thanks
04:45<flow-control>jm_: and how do i enable it with ethtool?
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04:46<Pepper>Is 40r1 release? still no announcement on l.d.o/debian-announce.
04:47<padski>Pepper: go it on the the front web page now
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04:47<jm_>flow-control: it's pause parameter
04:47<jm_>it's also mentioned on
04:47<Pepper>nothing since google soc
04:47<zobel>Pepper: we are working on the l.d.o/debian-announce
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04:48<zobel>Pepper: will be there in hopefully a few minutes...
04:48<Pepper>scrambled workflow? :-)
04:48<Pepper>happy birthday debian!
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04:50<m_g>lupine_85, there's no way to run e2fsck while the file system is mounted, right?
04:51<lupine_85>not a clue. Probably not.
04:52<lanceallott>m_g: do telinit 1 to go into maintence mode
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04:52<m_g>ah man page says it's not safe
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04:52<m_g>lanceallott, will that unmount the fs?
04:53<m_g>and let me somehow get back afterwards?
04:53<lanceallott>it will let you run fsck
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04:55<m_g>uhm what comes to my mind.. if the e2fsck tool is installed on the partition that should be checked, how could i run it with the fs unmounted?
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04:55<deboch>hi all
04:55<m_g>hey deboch
04:55<jm_>m_g: the point is it must be mounted RO, you can also use live-cd or so
04:55<m_g>oh makes sense :)
04:56<m_g>ok that sounds good, thanks
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04:56<deboch>can i help you m_g ?
04:56<m_g>not at the moment, just wanted to say hi :)
04:57<deboch>m_g : thanks ;-)
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04:58<deboch>is it possible to install debian from just another installed debian (without cdrom and without internet !) ??
04:58<jm_>deboch: yes
04:58<lupine_85>debootstrap is your friend
04:58<lupine_85>oh, wait
04:58<deboch>ok thanks
04:59<deboch>so i'll just use the PXE protocol to boot
04:59<deboch>and then use the debootstrap
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04:59<lanceallott>machines haft to be identical ...hardware wise
04:59<lupine_85>eh? no
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05:03<jolan>greetings, How do I replace exim4-daemon-light with exim4-daemon-custom ?
05:03<samoth13>i find this document but i can't tranlate it in iptables language
05:03<Pepper>deboch: english version
05:04<deboch>pepper : thanks
05:04<Pepper>deboch: you need at lest a mirror-media of the packages
05:04<Pepper>deboch: so cdrom or a mirror of a repository
05:05<deboch>pepper : what if i don't have internet and cdrom device !!
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05:05<jolan>dpkg says exim4-daemon-custom is in comflict with mail-transport-agent which is provided by exim4-daemon-light
05:05<dpkg>jolan: okay
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05:06<lupine_85>deboch: then you're pretty screwed :D
05:06<lupine_85>hence the 'wait, umm'
05:06<Pepper>deboch: mirroring a debian system is not a good idea, so you need a source of the dpkg
05:06<lupine_85>mirroring should work OK
05:07<lupine_85>just make sure that /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.list are updated appropriately
05:07<Pepper>lupine_85: or lilo, hostname, etc...
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05:08<jolan>removing exim4-daemon-light is not a solution either, as it would remove dependant packages
05:08<lupine_85>Pepper: well, you can't account for everything
05:08<Pepper>deboch: no way in getting a cdrom/set?
05:08<Pepper>lupine_85: thats why it's not a good idea.
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05:09<lupine_85>a better idea than no debian at all, however
05:09<deboch>i want to have a total local network installation ;-)
05:09<deboch>i have already tested the other methods : the 20 cds and the netinst one
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05:10<Pepper>deboch: if you already got the cds you can make an archive out of them and use the pxe method.
05:10<deboch>how can i make the archive in the server machine ?
05:10<jolan>so in summary, how to replace a package by another, providing the same functionality, without removing dependant packages ?
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05:11<Pepper>deboch: you can use apt-proxy and import with apt-proxy-import
05:11<deboch>what is the link to this doc ??
05:12<Pepper>just aptitude install apt-proxy, doc is under /usr/share/doc/apt-proxy
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05:14<deboch>i have another question
05:14<deboch>what are the reasons to make me rebuild my kernel ??
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05:14<deboch>what's the aim ?
05:15<Pepper>where are you made to rebuild your kernel?
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05:16<witte>deboch: if something is not working with the default kernel, or you want to include a driver that is not in the kernel project, or you want to optimize your kernel for your specific system (the improvement is normally quite limited)
05:17<lanceallott>to detect lots of memory
05:17<deboch>to detect memory ??
05:18<Pepper>deboch: what makes you think that you need to rebuild your kernel?
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05:18<lupine_85>>3GB on x86_32 ?
05:18<lanceallott>big memory like 4G or 8G
05:18<deboch>just a curious question ;-)
05:19<Pepper>so maybe this is not a #debian question?
05:19<deboch>you mean hd size ? or the RAM ?
05:19<lupine_85>normally there's no real need to rebuild a kernel, though it's an educational experience
05:19<lanceallott>theirs and option for that
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05:20<lupine_85>absolutely no point doing it for "speed increases"
05:20<deboch>i have already rebuilt my kernel when i had the sarge debian ;-)
05:20<deboch>but i don't know all the kernel options !
05:20<deboch>i think that i should do
05:21<deboch>isn't it ?
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05:21<lupine_85>none at all. I tried a custom kernel vs. the debian-default kernel with contest, and... yeah
05:21<lanceallott>I want to change my kernel version number but I not sure what to do
05:21<lupine_85>the custom one was quite a bit slower :D
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05:26<lanceallott>presently it is 2.6.15-1 but I would like it to show 2.6.18-7
05:26<witte>lanceallott: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
05:26<witte>lanceallott: and afterwards aptitude install <the one that you want>
05:28<lanceallott>witte: will it change my lilo.conf for me or will I haft to do it manually
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05:28<lanceallott>or will it just give me the option to boot either
05:29<witte>lanceallott: I use grub, and that becomes built automatically, I do not know for lilo, but i believe it does
05:29<witte>lanceallott: it will add the new kernel (so you can choose)
05:29<lanceallott>good deal thanks
05:29<witte>lanceallott: but it could be that there are some problems between 2.6.15 and 2.6.18
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05:29<witte>because of a newer udev
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05:30<witte>are you on a sarge machine?
05:30<lanceallott>dist-upgrade from sarge to etch
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05:31<jolan>lilo.conf is handled automatically, the last two kernels are kept in the conf, and don't forget to run lilo after the upgrade just in case aptitude dont
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05:32<lanceallott>will check it out thanks
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05:34<jolan>so, no dpkg expert in here ?
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05:36<Eulex>jolan, use apt-get?
05:36<UK-Toker>hi peeps, is it possible to update my installation ov debian v4 to the latest v4r1 with out reinstlling the whole OS
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05:36<jolan>i built a custim exim from source
05:36<Branden>How can I add my personal account into the root group so my account has access to all files and directories?
05:36<witte>UK-Toker: if you update and upgrade regularry, you have the latest version i guess
05:37<witte>!tell Branden about sudo
05:37<deboch>how my debian system is identified in a network ? i mean the fingerprint of debian where is it saved ?? can i change it ?
05:37<Eulex>Branden, umh. you don't.
05:37<UK-Toker>thanks witte.
05:37<Nemoder> /etc/hostname ?
05:38<witte>deboch: maybe you mean /etc/network/interfaces
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05:38<deboch>witte : no
05:38<Pepper>deboch: what do you mean, the hostname? the IP?
05:38<witte>deboch: ok, then i do not know what you mean
05:38<Eulex>deboch, 'fingerprint'?
05:38<Eulex>deboch, mac address?
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05:39<deboch>for example
05:39<deboch>when i make :
05:39<weasel>Branden: do you have debian mirrors in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
05:39<deboch>nmap -O
05:40<weasel>Branden: if yes, just update and (dist-)upgrade. it will fetch a dozen packages or so and that's it
05:40<deboch>the nmap says that the host is a linux box
05:40<Branden>Well. I'm useing GNOME and I want it so I can do anything on the desktop.. Seeing I can't login as root.
05:40<weasel>*sigh* wrong nick
05:40<weasel>UK-Toker: see what I said above
05:40<deboch>this information where is it stored ?
05:40<Eulex>deboch, it determines that by looking at characteristics of how the tcp stacks is implemented. the parts that can be detected from the outside, that is.
05:40<UK-Toker>yes wasles.. i guess u was talking to me..
05:41<witte>Branden: you can use sux or sudo in a terminal
05:41<UK-Toker>thanks lol
05:41<witte>Branden: read what dpkg told you
05:41<Branden>Witte: Ok.
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05:41<Eulex>deboch, basically, it's 'stored' in the linux tcp stack code, and changing it requires you to change the code, to work in another way.
05:41<deboch>Eulex : is it possible to modify this tcp stacks ?
05:42<weasel>deboch: if you have to ask, you cannot.
05:42<witte>Branden: btw: it is very easy to add your user to the root group, but nobody will tell you because you don't want to do that
05:42<Eulex>deboch, yes, if you're a leet coder.
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05:42<Pepper>deboch: wrong channel to ask this
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05:43<Ten>leet and mad I believe is the technical entry-level for that task.
05:43<lard>nick haldol
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05:43<Ten>If you're just leet you'll come unstuck at the mad phase.
05:43<Eulex>Ten, indeed
05:43<bcochofel>Is the passkey option deprecated on hcid.conf? Should I use a passkey agent for my bluetooth devices?
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05:44<deboch>pepper : where can i ask ?
05:44<weasel>deboch: you have to rewrite the linux kernel
05:44<weasel>deboch: that means you have to know tcp, and you have to know C, and you have to know how to program.
05:44<lanceallott>Branden: are you saying that you can't launch a xterm inside gnome and su to get root
05:44<deboch>weasel : yes
05:44<deboch>weasel : no problem i can learn that
05:44<weasel>deboch: if you have to ask like this then you know way, way too little to do it.
05:45<weasel>then start by downloading the kernel source at and looking at it
05:45<Pepper>deboch: might be also of interrest.
05:45<weasel>Pepper: don't do that to them
05:46<deboch>pepper : thanks
05:46<Pepper>deboch: the web-site, not the irc channel.
05:46<deboch>why ??
05:47<Pepper>deboch: you get a lot of information there about how the kernel works.
05:47<Branden>Lanceallott: I'm useing the Desktop version (GNOME) and I'm sorting my other harddrive, but, it's read only, so I have to use the command line as root to do anything becuase it keeps saying I don't have permission to view the files.
05:47<weasel>if those other disks are FAT, then you just mounted them wrong
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05:48<Branden>If your referaring to me? The disk is NTFS, it has files on it from the past that I'm trying to switch over to the main harddrive so I can reformat that disk as a different FS.
05:49<deboch>pepper : why not the irc channel ?
05:50<lanceallott>Branden: ah...then I would suggest that you take a look at /etc/fstab and add options so user can RO and then add yourself to that group
05:50<Pepper>deboch: you have to read all the webpages twice before you should get on the irc-ch
05:50<deboch>oh !
05:50<Branden>Lanceallott: Thank you.
05:50<Pepper>deboch: that's also a good idea for #debian and :-)
05:51<deboch>yes of course
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05:52<Eulex>deboch, what purpose would this have?
05:52<deboch>eulex : for security purposes !
05:53<Pepper>deboch: first look at:
05:53<Eulex>deboch, security be obscurity is not security. and they can just change the way they detect linux and they will be able to detect your box as running linux again.
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05:54<UK-Toker>nice one waesel.. all updated thanks again.
05:55<deboch>Eulex : how ?
05:55<Eulex>deboch, how they would change it? by changing the code in nmap?
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05:56<deboch>Eulex : can they detect the fingerprint without tcp stacks ?
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05:56<Eulex>deboch, this it not a simple string that your box broadcasts that says that your host is a linux box. they're testing different tcp scenarious when contacting your box and seeing how it reacts in different situations.
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05:56<Eulex>deboch, you want to remove networking capabilities from your box?
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05:57<deboch>Eulex : no ;-) i'm just searching to know
05:57<Eulex>deboch, most networking nowadays is tcp-based. no tcp stack => no internets
05:57<deboch>cause i like details ;-)
05:57<Pepper>Eulex: this discussion is out of focus.
05:57<Eulex>Pepper, indeed
05:58<lanceallott>deboch: you do know that you can change how konqueror identifies itself on the web
05:58[~]Delph wonders: are all packages in the main debian repositories meant to have a source package?
05:58<Eulex>lanceallott, how is that relevant?
05:58<Metalqga>ok underclocked it let's see how it compiles
05:58<Delph>(see! See! on topic discussion! Talk to me! Talk to meee!)
05:59[~]Delph can get the source for xterm; but not for dillo ("E: unable to find a source package for dillo")
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05:59<Eulex>Delph, well, the source package might not be named the same as the regular package, and one source package might build into several regular packages.
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06:00<deboch><lanceallott> how ??
06:00<Delph>Eulex: but apt-get source should do the Right Thing
06:00<Delph>and the source line from apt-cache show dillo is "Source: dillo (0.8.5-4.1)
06:00<jm_>deboch: are you talking about things like this ?
06:01<lanceallott>deboch: go settings->Configure konqueror ->Browser Identification
06:02<Delph>so it seems to just be missing
06:02<deboch><lanceallott> i don't have konqueror now cause i'm using iceweasel
06:02<jolan>dillo is available for me
06:02<lanceallott>click on the New button
06:02<deboch><lanceallott> do you know how to do that in iceweasel ?
06:03<jm_>there's an extension for iceweasel that makes it trivial
06:03<Eulex>deboch, I repeat, this has nothing to do with your question.
06:03<lanceallott>probably somewhere in the about: config
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06:04<deboch>Eulex : sure, do you know where can i find more details on the system fingerprinting methods ,
06:04<deboch><lanceallott> thanks
06:04<Eulex>deboch, google?
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06:05<jolan>still nobody to explain me how to replace a package installed by aptitude with another build with dpkg-buildpackage ?
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06:05<deboch>Eulex : i prefer a direct url, google is too large and gives a lot of results !
06:06<jolan>this is driving me mad
06:06<Delph>jolan: you've built a .deb file?
06:06<Eulex>deboch, you want handholding? sorry, you'll get none from me.
06:06<Delph>use "dpkg -i" to install that deb.
06:06<deboch>Eulex : no not that ;-)
06:06<billy5>hello there... is it possible to install i386 packages on an amd64 machine through apt?
06:06<jolan>yes, but then it tells me there is a conflict
06:07<deboch>Eulex : i'm just asking if anyone has already known about this subject
06:07<Eulex>deboch, sure, someone has.
06:07<jolan>exim4-daemon-custom is in conflict with mail-transport-agent
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06:08<deboch>everybody : do you know about fingerprint detection methods ,??? thanks ;-)
06:08<jolan>which is provided by exim4-daemon-light
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06:08<Delph>deboch: yes, we do. Now go read the nmap site, then the nmap source code.
06:08<Delph>jolan: that will be because the system requires something that is a "mail-transport-agent"
06:08<Delph>and both exim4-daemon-light and exim4-daemon-custom provide that
06:08<deboch>Delph : nmap is a utility, it's not a standard
06:09<jolan>yes , and exim4-daemon-custom provides this also
06:09<deboch>Delph : maybe other utils are using different methods ?
06:09<Delph>deboch: go away.
06:09<jolan>but dpkg is not happy whit that
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06:09<deboch>Delph : ?? i'm just asking !! ;-)
06:09<Delph>hmm, i've not swapped out something like that before.
06:09<Delph>deboch: no, you're asking, then not listening. Go away.
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06:10<jolan>removig exim4-daemon-light is not a solution, as other packets are dependents
06:10<Delph>yeah, it's a fairly basic part of the system
06:10<deboch>Delph : ok ok ! don't be in anger !! please
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06:11<deboch>we are sharing khowledge a
06:11<Delph>i imagine there's some sort of "remove it and don't bother checking" flag you can use
06:11<deboch>ok ,,
06:11<jolan>that would be helpfull
06:11<Delph>so that you can have the system in a broken state between the remove of exim4-daemon-light and exim4-daemon-custom
06:11<Delph>being installed
06:13<billy5>is it possible to install any i386 deb-packages on an amd64 machine through apt?
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06:14<jolan>is dpkg --force-conflict -i ../exim4-daemon-custom_4.63-17_i386.deb a good idea ?
06:14<Delph>jolan: NO
06:14<Delph>that'll install both at once
06:14[~]Delph is in the same bit of man page :)
06:14<Delph>i think --force-depends is what you want
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06:14<Delph>then dpkg -r the old one, and dpkg -i the new one
06:15<Delph>but i'm not sure, and this may break your system
06:15<Delph>what was i in here for?
06:15<Delph>oh yeah, dillo source, missing, any suggestions?
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06:16<jolan>what are your deb-src ?
06:16[~]vastinfest chioto mate yo..
06:17<jolan>--force-depends worked , nice thank you
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06:18<jolan>with deb-src etch main , apt-get source dillo works
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06:19<jolan>i also have deb-src etch/updates main contrib
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06:22<janpascal>It seems apt-get upgrade get a Release file that's older dan one of the Packages.bz2 files is refers to.
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06:22<janpascal>Worse, when I download the Release file myself it is up-to-date. Emptying /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt did not help.
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06:23<harpal>I forgotten the root password. how to recover or change that?
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06:23<janpascal>Apt-get update says: "Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch"
06:23<Eulex>harpal, boot a live-cd, mount the root fs and chroot into it, run passwd
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06:24<janpascal>How is that possible?
06:24<Branden>How can I format a harddrive in Debian (Note: This is not a uses Harddrive, this is an extra one)
06:24<UK-Toker>dont use the test packages
06:25<harpal>Eulex: I shte any other method? because I dont have any cd for debian now and I have vmware of debian
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06:25<janpascal>Branden: first fdisk /dev/hdb and create a partition, then mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
06:25<harpal>Eulex: Isthere any other method? because I dont have any cd for debian now and I have vmware of debian
06:25<Branden>Ok. Thank you.
06:26<zobel>harpal: boot with init=/bin/bash as kernel option?
06:26<Eulex>zobel, oh, that too
06:26<lanceallott>I like cfdisk better
06:26<janpascal>Branden: after that, mount the new fs somewhere by editing /etc/fstab and mount -a
06:27<Branden>Ok thank you.
06:27<Branden>Quick question: If I was to reinstall Debian, can I "combind" both harddrives into one big "harddrive"?
06:27<jm_>yes, but do you want to?
06:28<Branden>In a way.. This machine is a huge mess at the momment.
06:28<janpascal>Branden: read up on "lvm".
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06:28<jm_>are you aware that if one drive fails you may lose all your data?
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06:29<Branden>That is true... Maybe I'll keep one as a backup (storeage) area.
06:29<harpal>zobel: I have boot with init=/bin/bash option but when I run passwd and give new password than it gives me passwd: Authentication tocken lock busy
06:31<weasel>did you remount your root filesystem rw?
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06:32<Branden>What is better? ext2 or ext3?
06:32<lanceallott>Branden: just keep in mind that adding another HD is just going to appear as another dir in a file manager
06:32<Branden>Yeah. I know.
06:33<Branden>See. I mainly want this computer as storage and learning Linux.
06:33<Eulex>Branden, ext3 if you don't know exactly what you're doing.
06:33<harpal>weasel: Is that for me?
06:33<Branden>Other then Linux, I can only run Vista proporly, and to be honast, I rather shoot the computer first then run Vista.
06:34<jm_>Branden: get iWhack
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06:35<zobel>harpal: did you see weasel's remark?
06:36<lanceallott>the Gparted live cd makes working with drives sooo much eaiser
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06:37<harpal>zobel: yes I have try mount /dev/sda2 / then it tells me already mounted
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06:37<lanceallott>grow, shrink, delete, move, piece of cake
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06:40<lanceallott>partation, format, repair mbr
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06:42<zobel>harpal: mount / -oremount,rw
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06:44<harpal>zobel: thanx I have change that password
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06:51<zobel>OMG: ITP: lib-moo-sex
06:51<jm_>shouldn't it be lib-moosex?
06:51<Pepper>depends on position
06:51<jm_>it's MooseX Perl module
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06:52<Pepper>maybe a discussion on offending names should be started :-)
06:53<padski>fsck that
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06:53<lanceallott>yea anyone looking for moo-sex has to be a pervert
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06:54<zobel>Pepper: we already hat that
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06:55<Pepper>no, i missed.
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06:55<crux>Hi is here sombody from germany??
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06:55<ChArRuA>someone have a link to configure a server in quake 3 arena on debian etch?
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06:56<crux>need help with madwifi
06:56<dpkg>i heard madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
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06:56<Delph>ChArRuA: i'd suggest just unpacking the tarball from id, and configuring as normal
06:56<Delph>nothing special about debian required, really.
06:56<Delph>it JustWorked(tm) on my box
06:57<ChArRuA>you say the 1.32b release point?
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06:58<ChArRuA>i have install that but i search a littkle how to to configure all in the server and cfg on mod excessive
06:58<ChArRuA>some one play quake 3?
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06:59<crux>i had looked at this dokument, but when i'm typing deb stable main contrib non-free there is a message: command not found... -.- im a newbie
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06:59<crux>command deb not found
06:59<crux>or something like that
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06:59<Metalqga>charRua there is a linux installed for q3
07:00<witte>crux: that has to be in /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:00<crux>omg thx >_<
07:00<witte>crux: open /etc/apt/sources.list wiht your favorite editor, add that line (if it is not already there). Afterwards do "aptitude update"
07:01<Metalqga>you need pak0.pk3 and it works fine
07:01<ChArRuA>ok tnx if i have some problems back :)
07:01<lanceallott>crux: that deb line goes in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
07:01<crux>an update if allready done but i heavent the package i think i have to do in the sorce and make a new update right?
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07:02<dpkg>from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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07:08<crux>i have an error.. package ignored.. mayby you have to write something into sources.list like contrib- and non-free-archive ...<-- like this.. i translatetd it^^
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07:09<witte>crux: past your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
07:09<witte>!tell crux about paste
07:10<witte>crux: probably you don't have non-free and contrib in that file, or you did not do apt-get update (or aptitude update) after you changed sources.list
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07:11<cTATUK>Is it possible to mute Adobe Flash Player 9's volume?
07:11<crux>i dont know what contrib and non-free is, but an update ive done
07:12<witte>crux: contrib and non-free are two parts/subsets of debian, the other is main
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07:12<witte>!tell crux about contrib
07:12<witte>!tell crux about non-free
07:12<lanceallott>crux: should look something like this deb etch main non-free contrib
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07:16<lanceallott>of course you would probably want to change the .us part to a mirror closer to your location
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07:18<ruivaldo>hi, in grub, how does sanity check is made ? is using an especific tool as fsck or internally, by grub ?
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07:21<jm_>ruivaldo: in relation to what?
07:21<ruivaldo>jm_, to a reiserfs partition. it´s because we are getting too many error 16 and im trying to diagnose.
07:22<largo>what is the name of the runlevel config tool in lenny?
07:22<largo>the graphical one, i mean!
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07:23<chealer>largo: KDE's?
07:23<largo>chealer, it doesnt matter
07:23<largo>kde or gnome
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07:23<lanceallott>ruivaldo: man reiserfsck
07:24<chealer>largo: I'm not sure there's only one, but ksysv is one.
07:24<ruivaldo>lanceallott, i know how to fix error 16, i want to avoid it. to diagnose what is causing.,
07:25<largo>chealer, yesterday, after my first debian installation, i was in gnome. i removed all gnome packages and moved to kde.
07:25<crux>now ive installed madwifi but how to
07:25<crux>use it
07:25<largo>there was one package in the gnome desktop, whichwas useful. the kdesysv thing is useless
07:26<lanceallott>ruivaldo: out of curiosity what does error 16 say
07:26<largo>chealer, are there console tools to list all scripts run in runlevel default?
07:26<ruivaldo>lanceallott, "Inconsistent filesystem structure" :)
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07:26<largo>howtos are welcome, too!
07:26<witte>largo: ls /etc/rc?.d, with "?" the rulevel
07:27<jm_>ruivaldo: hmm can't find where in the code it says that
07:27<largo>witte, yes.
07:27<witte>largo: what is it that you want to do?
07:27<ruivaldo>jm_, i am thinking if it calls fsck or uses fstab...
07:27<jm_>ruivaldo: ahh found it
07:27<chealer>largo: do you know rcconf?
07:27<jm_>ruivaldo: no!! it should never do such things
07:28<ruivaldo>jm_, can you give me some link to i look at the code ?
07:28<jm_>ruivaldo: it has REISERDEBUG define that can help you
07:28<largo>chealer, no, it is not installed and apt-get cant find it
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07:28<largo>witte, i want to remove unused services at boot like acpi and so
07:28<jm_>ruivaldo: it's in 3 place in fsys_reiserfs.c
07:28<witte>crux: modprobe the module, and ifconfig ath0? (or you can try network-admin if you like somehting graphical)
07:28<largo>and avahi-daemon, witte
07:28<chealer>largo: you should be able to install it with APT.
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07:29<witte>largo: update-rc.d
07:29<witte>largo: and the standard runlevel in debian is 2
07:29<jm_>largo: sysv-rc-conf
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07:29<jm_>and so on
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07:30<largo>jm_, thats it. thank you
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07:31<jm_>largo: that's not graphical ;)
07:32<padski>that wonderfully named package 'bum' :-)
07:32<ruivaldo>jm_, huum. looking at it. strange, do you think fstab configurations can make this happen ?
07:32<largo>jm_, i like such things
07:32<jm_>ruivaldo: I doubt it
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07:33<ruivaldo>jm_, me too. i am a bit lost. trying to find what is corrupting my system.
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07:35<lanceallott>ruivaldo: when you first boot the text you see 'filesystem clean'...or 'transaction replay'
07:35<jm_>ruivaldo: it will be probably hard to figure out unless you enable that debugging and ask folks familiar with reiserfs
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07:37<ruivaldo>lanceallott, after grub, yes, we see that.
07:37<lanceallott>which one ?
07:37<largo>ok. i`ll be back!
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07:37<ruivaldo>ReiserFS: hda3: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal
07:37<ruivaldo>ReiserFS: hda3: using ordered data mode
07:37<ruivaldo>ReiserFS: hda3: journal params: device hda3, size 8192, journal first block 18, max trans len 1024, max batch 900, max commit age 30, max trans age 30
07:37<ruivaldo>ReiserFS: hda3: checking transaction log (hda3)
07:37<ruivaldo>ReiserFS: hda3: Using r5 hash to sort names
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07:38<ruivaldo>sorry....wrong paste.
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07:38<ruivaldo> /msg dpkg paster
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07:41<ruivaldo>lanceallott, any hint about that ? :)
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07:42<brislingf>anyone can help me with postfix ?
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07:42<lanceallott>ruivaldo: I didn't see either , . . if things are ok you should see Filesystem Clean or if you had an improper shutdown you should see transaction replay and a bunch of numbers
07:43<Saar>anyone here know how to config debian seedbox? please PM me
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07:44<largo>damn. i cannot register. the username is already in use...
07:44<ruivaldo>lanceallott, strange. it should always appear ?
07:44<Frolic>brislingf, maybe. What your problem?
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07:44<lanceallott>ruivaldo: the way to recover from a transaction replay with reiserfs is to boot up but dont login...just ctrl+alt+del and let it restart again
07:44<Saar>please i really need help with my VPS config.. pm me :(
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07:45<dpkg>i heard pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance
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07:46<brislingf>i have tried to setup post fix from the guide on, but i cant login, and i think it might have something to do with the encryption in mysql
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07:47<Frolic>brislingf, the password encryption you mean?
07:48<brislingf>but i cant find out how to check that or what log file i could check if its that error .. btw, iam running etch
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07:49<mbroeker>well, now i am in.
07:50<Frolic>brislingf, at /etc/mysql/my.cnf you can find the log path. Probably is /var/log/mysql/mysql.log
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07:52<Frolic>brislingf, are you using SASL?
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08:03<brislingf>iam can connect to mysql, but its the password that is stored for the mail users that i cant match:/
08:04<brislingf>Frolic, libsasl2-deb
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08:14<deboch>hi Delph !
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08:16<deboch>hi all
08:17<mbroeker>hi deboch
08:17<deboch>is there a tool to monitor the network traffic ?
08:18<mbroeker>there are a lot of tools
08:18<deboch>can you give me some of them... the best ;-)
08:18<Frolic>deboch, wireshark, iptraf, etc...
08:18<mbroeker>wireshark is overwhelmed
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08:19<mbroeker>deboch, give tcpdump a try. its consolebased
08:19<fanto666>hello, how are /var/run/ subdirectories managed in etch, when /var/run is mounted on tmpfs?
08:19<deboch>thanks <mbroeker>
08:20<jm_>wireshark also has console frontend
08:20<Delph>jm_: oh, really?
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08:20<jm_>tshark - network traffic analyzer (console)
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08:22<Delph>thanks jm_
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08:23<deboch>thanks Frolic
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08:24<padski>fanto666: you mean like how are they created ?
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08:24<fanto666>padski: yes
08:25<fanto666>is it up to startup scripts or is there unique way to do it?
08:25<padski>is there specific support for that in etch ?
08:25<fanto666>padski: for /var/run on tmpfs?
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08:26<padski>personally I would expect a prog that needs a dir in /var/run to make it or have it made for it by an init script. but that's just off the top of my head. if not I'd unpack a tar or something.
08:27<fanto666>it was at least discussed afaik
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08:27<padski>fanto666: I recall it being discussed recently on -devel yes. probably worth a search on the archive.
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08:29<padski>easy one: what do I do to apache2 to serve ssl ?
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08:30<fanto666>allow mod_ssl, create certificates, configure virtual hosts
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08:31<padski>fanto666: thanks
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08:34<Metalqga>is mkinitrd replaced by mkititrdramfs?
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08:34<padski>mkinitramfs ?
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08:35<heiko>hat jemand zeit einem linux anfänger zu helfen?
08:35<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
08:35<weasel>that factoid so should tell people to not go there without a real name or with meta questions
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08:36<weasel>I'm serious
08:36<padski>how do you change it ?
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08:37<themill>weasel: why? are they a little exciting in the
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08:37<weasel>nothing good ever came from people you sent to us
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08:38<Supaplex>good fscking bye
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08:42<themill>ahh... I have all the join/part messages turned off... too much noise otherwise
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08:47<Metalqga>ok compile fine
08:47<Metalqga>it look like overclocking is not good for compilin a kernel
08:47<padski>glad to hear it :-)
08:48<Metalqga>lets see.... oh noooo :D
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08:54<Metalqga>works much faster than the stock k7 one
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08:59<padski>how much faster ?
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09:01<Metalqga>haven't tried with a clock :D
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09:01<Metalqga>i need to go deeper into the config
09:01[~]Supaplex opens the wabbit hole for Metalqga
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09:04<harpal>when I try to make my partition to ext3 using command mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda4 than its giving me error mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
09:05<Metalqga>maybe you should try the /deb/hda4 before ext3
09:06<ieugen>I need some help regarding dhcp3 client configuration.
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09:08<fanto666>what does fdisk -l /dev/hda show?
09:08<fanto666>and/or grep hda /proc/partitions
09:08<harpal>Metalqga: I have try to mount that but its giving me specify file system
09:08<ieugen>it takes too much time to boot the system it waits and tryes to get a DHCPOFFER
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09:09<ieugen>coul I get it to do that in backgo=round?
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09:11<seanius>ieugen: is this a desktop system?
09:12<ieugen>i have network-manager, and for it to work i have iface auto in interfaces
09:12<seanius>are you using gnome? if so you could drop the config entirely and use network manager
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09:13<seanius>you ought to be able to comment out the lines in /etc/network/interfaces for that interface then
09:13<phisan>This is my first time in Xchat
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09:13<phisan>and also my first time with Debian
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09:14<phisan>I've a problem with my external DVD-RW
09:14<phisan>It connects with my Acer travelmate 290 with USB port
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09:14<Supaplex>!tell phisan -about ask
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09:15<ieugen>ok. i'l try that. but, if I need tot use static ?
09:15<phisan>But somehow I can't use it
09:15<ieugen>nm does not know static
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09:16<seanius>ieugen: nm will specifically ignore devices that have non-dhcp configurations in /etc/network/interfaces
09:16<seanius>so you could either put it as auto or remove it entirely
09:17<ieugen>ok. thank you for your time.
09:17<Supaplex>phisan: if you run dmesg | egrep -i '(dvd|cd)' you might see some messages pertaining to what drive is it. It should be something like /dev/sr0. man wodim for options on scanning for the drive
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09:18<Frolic>How can I see the quantity of packages in Debian Project?
09:19<phisan>Supaplex, must I connect the drive before running dmesg?
09:20<Supaplex>phisan: yes
09:20<Supaplex>Frolic: I think it's on the front page of - or maybe even
09:21<padski>Frolic: also it depends exactly what you are counting
09:21<phisan>Supaplex: OK. I don't have that drive with me now. But what should I do after that step?
09:22<Supaplex>phisan: what are you trying to do?
09:22<Frolic>padski, by example, the binary packages. How many binary packages exists on Debian?
09:22<padski>Frolic: in sid ? in etch ?
09:23<phisan>I want to use an external DVD-RW. It connects and it shows the icon of the drive but somehow I can't use it. What should I do?
09:23<witte>Frolic: you can see how much packages you have by running grep ^Packages\: /var/lib/dpkg/available |wc -l"
09:23<witte>Frolic: I think :-)
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09:23<Frolic>witte, no my packages installed, but all available at Debian Servers for install.
09:24<Frolic>padski, in sid.
09:24<witte>Frolic: s/Packages/Package
09:24<witte>Frolic: and it gives the number of packages that are available for download
09:25<phisan>Supaplex: I want to use an external DVD-RW. It connects and it shows the icon of the drive but somehow I can't use it. What should I do?
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09:26<Supaplex>phisan: I don't understand
09:26<bcochofel>What's the issue with bluez-utils on etch?
09:27<padski>I see 20656 in debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages
09:27<bcochofel>Even if the iscan is enable on hcid.conf, hciconfig tells that only pscan is
09:27<witte>Frolic: mm, on my etch box that seemed less than expected. It seemed reasonable on my testing box...
09:27<padski>and if you don't beleive me, you can go an' count 'em yerself ;-)
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09:29<phisan>Suppaplex: Now I'm using Debian 4.0 with GNOME desktop with Acer travelmate 290. I have an additional external DVD-RW drive which connects to my computer with USB port. When I connected it to the computer, on the desktop it showed the icon of the drive but I can't just open the drive. It seemed that the hardware was not compatible with this Debian or something like that. What should I do to get it works?
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09:30<Supaplex>phisan: try sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom/
09:31<Supaplex>phisan: try running: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom/
09:31<Frolic>witte, tnks. I think that, such as via I can see the number of Developers (including the inactive accounts), I can found this number at debian main site or packages.d.o
09:33<phisan>Supaplex: So I must go to terminal and type the line that you've just showed me?
09:33<padski>Frolic: are you a spy ;-)
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09:33<Supaplex>phisan: yes
09:33<padski>how many users are there ?
09:34<phisan>Supaplex: I see, but on my computer I don't have /sr0 in /dev..
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09:34<Frolic>padski, no, just a statistic research. :D
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09:35<phisan>Supaplex: It's just showed me like this: "mount: can't find /dev/sr0/media/cdrom/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
09:35<padski>Frolic: how many devs are there, 1000, 2000 ?
09:36<padski>ls -al
09:36<padski>oops :-)
09:36<witte>phisan: there is a space between sr0 and /media
09:36<Supaplex>phisan: lsmod | grep sr_mod
09:37<phisan>OK.. I'll try again.
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09:37<Frolic>padski, 1049 active.
09:38<padski>Frolic: so that's a rough average of 20 binary pacakges per dev. what sort of distribution ?
09:39<phisan>Supaplex and witte: Now when I type: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom/ it says: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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09:41<witte>phisan: then there is something incorrect probably. You can also try sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom
09:42<witte>and try the command that Supaplex issued earlier
09:42<phisan>witte: OK. But I should try all that after connecting the device with the computer, right?
09:43<witte>phisan: yes :-)
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09:43<phisan>witte: Now I can't try that because I don't have the device with me but thank you very much to Supaplex and witte. I'll try again later.
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09:45<phisan>witte: Could you please summarize the steps for me once again after connecting the external DVD-RW with the computer and then?--
09:46<fanto666>hmmm, /etc/init.d/ supports mounting tmpfs onto /var/run
09:46<witte>phisan: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom
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09:47<witte>phisan: and normally, your cdrom should be in /media/cdrom which you can access with konqueror, nautilus, ...
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09:48<fanto666>phisan I use xvmount ;)
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09:48<witte>phisan: the only thing you need to figure out is which name your device has (/dev/sr0 most likely in this case)
09:48<phisan>witte: Yes there it is my cdrom. but Now I'm having a problem with an external DVD-RW
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09:48<fanto666>and, btw, when /media/cdrom is in /etc/fstab, it's enough to type 'mount /media/cdrom'
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09:49<fanto666>phisan do you have more CD/DVD drives connected?
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09:49<witte>fanto666: yes, but when he has an internal cdrom and an external dvd, he needs two lines in fstab
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09:49<fanto666>witte: I haven't watch this conversation from begin
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09:50<witte>fanto666: me neither :-)
09:50<phisan>witte and fanto666: Oh.. I don't undersand what is fstab and all that...
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09:50<fanto666>phisan: view /etc/fstab, and try 'man fstab' that should give you informations about it
09:51<fanto666>% grep cdrom /etc/fstab
09:51<newuser>How do I enable sound in Flash in Iceweasel? I already tried a million things: downgrading alsa-base, setting ICEWEASEL_DSP to "aoss" etc.
09:51<Supaplex>I'm still lost. he either has the external or he doesn't. I'm not going to try to disambiguate this early in the morning.
09:51<fanto666>/dev/hdb /media/cdrom auto ro,user,noauto,unhide,iocharset=iso8859-2 0 0
09:51<witte>phisan: fstab is a file that says where partitions are and where your linux should put (mount) them (in short)
09:51<dpkg>well, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
09:52<witte>phisan: just try when you have your dvd with you, and if it does not work, come back here, normally it should be fairly easy to configure
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09:52<fanto666>phisan you'll probably have more devices as /media/cdrom (or /media/cdrom0) /media/cdrom1 (create those dirs!) and different devices in fstab
09:52<witte>phisan: and once you have done that, it is very easy to put it in fstab
09:52<newuser>In Konqueror, I get the message: ALSA lib pcm_plug.c:1154:(_snd_pcm_plug_open) Unknown field hint
09:52<newuser>ALSA lib pcm.c:2035:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
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09:52<phisan>all: I see. Thanks very much. Talk to you again..
09:52<phisan>all: Have a good time
09:53<cahoot>newuser: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term as 'user'
09:53<newuser>cahoot, that works
09:54<phisan>all: bye
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09:54<newuser>cahoot, this is 64 bits Debian
09:55<Eulex>which of them?
09:55<newuser>cahoot, and now?
09:56<cahoot>newuser: well allI can say is alsa basically works - no idea why konq complains
09:56<newuser>cahoot, I already knew that; I specified a combination of things that didn't work.
09:57<newuser>cahoot, almost any other combination not involving Flash works.
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09:57<cahoot>newuser: I see - I was unattentive
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10:08<themill>etch r1 has finally been announced on debian-announce (for those who haven't been paying attention)
10:09<frank>yeah, also dpkg is aware of that already
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10:26<deboch>hi all
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10:26<deboch>how can i activate nano syntax highlighting ?
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10:27<witte>deboch: maybe this page helps:
10:28<deboch>thanks witte
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10:30<witte>deboch: read also the file file:///usr/share/doc/nano/faq.html
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10:30<deboch>thanks witte
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10:48<qbit>anyone use debmirror here? specifically behind a http_proxy?
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10:49<Visnapuu>can someone help me with zd1211rw drivers
10:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:51<cahoot>Visnapuu: the kernelsupplied one doesn't suit you?
10:51<Visnapuu>it doesent work
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10:51<cahoot>does here
10:51<Supaplex>!don't work
10:51<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
10:52<cahoot>Visnapuu: what kernel?
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10:52<cahoot>Visnapuu: ..and what firmware?
10:52<Visnapuu>i think it was 2.18 i use windows
10:52<Visnapuu>right now
10:52<mArshell>hey, can anyone help me configure a new server with debian ?
10:52<Supaplex>does the module load? is the device detected via lsusb/lspci? is the power on? is the interface available from ifconfig -a?
10:53<Supaplex>Visnapuu: ^^look up^^ , also, what's syslog say? does the device work in other linux setups or other oses?
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10:54<witte>!tell mArshell about consultant
10:54<Visnapuu>tell me what i hae to find out and how, then i am more prepeared next time. jou kan send it to my emai
10:54<Visnapuu>and sorry about spelling
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10:55<Supaplex>qbit: nope. haven't used debmirror.
10:55<witte>mArshell: unless you have a specific question about the "server" or more information
10:55<cahoot>Visnapuu: Debian users beware: don't use the the zd1211-firmware package, as this is for Debian's fork of the vendor-based driver
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10:55<Visnapuu>i dont use it
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10:55<SUPERSLADAK>hello all
10:55<SUPERSLADAK>a have a problem with debian 4.0
10:56<SUPERSLADAK>with gcc
10:56<SUPERSLADAK>with libs
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10:56<SUPERSLADAK>can help enuone ?
10:56<SUPERSLADAK>can help enyone ?
10:56<Supaplex> talks about svn. where's the checkout for it?
10:56<Supaplex>!tell SUPERSLADAK -about repeat
10:56<Supaplex>!tell SUPERSLADAK -about enter
10:56<Supaplex>!tell SUPERSLADAK -about smart questions
10:56<monra_>hello, anyone has an idea how to write greek on Debian? Not see greek but write
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10:57<SUPERSLADAK>i have problem to
10:57<Supaplex>SUPERSLADAK: you haven't described what the problem is
10:57<SUPERSLADAK>with gcc
10:58<SUPERSLADAK>my pc is 64 bit and debian version is amd64
10:58<SUPERSLADAK>gcc want 32 bit libs
10:58<SUPERSLADAK>and a see warnings
10:58<Visnapuu>i cant understand how do install/activate drivers
10:58<Supaplex>SUPERSLADAK: so gcc wans 32bit libs, when you expect 64. right?
10:59<Supaplex>Visnapuu: modconf
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10:59<Supaplex>SUPERSLADAK: what package is gcc in btw?
10:59<SUPERSLADAK>mirror from Bulgaria
10:59<Visnapuu>explain little closer i am new at this
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11:00<Supaplex>Visnapuu: apt-get install modconf ; modconf
11:00<SUPERSLADAK>a have install flex bison
11:00<SUPERSLADAK>and ?
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11:01<Supaplex>SUPERSLADAK: official debian is good. is this etch? lenny? sid?
11:01<burningfire>Where can I find the standard conf file for s2disk (if it exists)?
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11:01<Visnapuu>i install modconf and then run it and then what
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11:02<SUPERSLADAK>i speak english litle sorry for this
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11:02<PsiHo>SUPERSLADAK, wow ;)
11:02<Supaplex>Visnapuu: narrow down the driver you want. it's menu driven
11:03<Supaplex>SUPERSLADAK: what release of debian are you using? dpkg -l dpkg | grep dpkg
11:03<Visnapuu>like i select what driver i want do use
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11:03<Supaplex>Visnapuu: yes
11:03<Visnapuu>by meuselecting it
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11:03<Supaplex>!tell Visnapuu about modconf
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11:05<Visnapuu>well i see what can i do
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11:11<harpal>When I try to boot in to linux than its giving me /sbin/init: 432: can not open /dev/console : no such file
11:11<harpal>Kernel Panic : Attempted to kill init
11:12<harpal>whats problem there
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11:13<mbroeker>harpal, you need the standard /dev/ entries like console, tty and there are one or two required entries...
11:14<jmcaricand>Hi alls. I want to recompile my xen kernel in etch. Where is the kernel patch ?
11:14<witte>harpal: did you compile your own kernel?
11:14<harpal>witte: no
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11:15<harpal>I have just pu my harddisk to another pc
11:15<mbroeker>harpal, pick up the emergency cdrom and boot into your system
11:15<monra_>hello, anyone has an idea how to write greek on Debian? Not see greek but write
11:15<mbroeker>harpal, wow: in this case, maybe your chipset differs?
11:16<harpal>so how to solve that?
11:16<mbroeker>harpal, are you using grub?
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11:17<monra_>any ideas?
11:18<jat>first login this
11:18<mbroeker>harpal, try to alter it
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11:18<mbroeker>harpal, press e in grub and alter the kernel line
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11:19<harpal>mbroeker: I have tried all that options, but still getting error
11:19<witte>jat: if you have any questions, ask. Otherwize just enjoy the show
11:19<mbroeker>from kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 to root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi
11:19<harpal>I have edit grub entry also
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11:19<mbroeker>from kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 to root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi init=/bin/bash
11:19<Larks>where can I go for installer questions?
11:19<mbroeker>the last thing is important, harpal
11:20<witte>Larks: go to #debian-boot
11:20<harpal>ok I havent try that hda==ide-scsi init=/bin/bash
11:20<Larks>witte: thanksyou
11:20<witte>i htink
11:21<harpal>let me check that, I will be back
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11:21<witte>Larks: ok, i checked, and it seems the correct one, I started doubting myself
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11:22<Larks>For some reason the default kernel 2.6.18 will not detect my ich9 (no R) SATA controller
11:22<mbroeker>harpal, chances are not good at all that this works, but try it
11:22<Larks>the one on the etch installer.
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11:23<Larks>however the lenny cd will.
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11:23<Larks>but I really don't want to use lenny :(
11:24<witte>Larks: which module is needed for the controller
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11:24<Larks>I dunno.. its built in the kernel i think.
11:24<Larks>lsmod |grep ich
11:24<Larks>gives nothing.
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11:24<Larks>i have lenny running now.
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11:24<fxiny>Larks: if you want to use stable you can try a bpo kernel 2.6.21+
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11:25<witte>Larks: but the kernel versions between etch and lenny are different
11:25<witte>Larks: so your sata works, and there is no ich module
11:25<Larks>fxiny: does bpo have installation disk?? what is bpo?
11:25<fxiny>Larks: no install disk
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11:26<dpkg>i guess is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>
11:26<Larks>witte: correct sata works with kernel on lenny cd.. and it seems to be compiled in.
11:26<witte>Larks: can you put the output of lspci in a pastebin
11:26<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
11:26<Larks>sure give me a sec to set it up
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11:29<mbroeker>harpal, an alternative is to boot from a rescue cd, bootstick, whatever and fix the dev entries...
11:29<witte>Larks: and while you are at it, maybe also lsmod
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11:32<Larks>witte: brb I have an appointment.
11:32<Larks>thanks for you help.
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11:35<james>need some help!
11:35|-|james changed nick to Guest1067
11:36<dpkg>Rule #1: "Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem." type /msg apt guidelines to see the rest...
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11:36<Guest1067>sorry I'm the first using IRC
11:37<witte>Guest1067: Well, nobody is going to help you unless you tell us what the problem is
11:37<dpkg>Rule #1: "Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem." type /msg apt guidelines to see the rest...
11:38<witte>Mankod: yes, i know, rule 1 was not appropriate in this case
11:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:38<Guest1067>ok! thanks
11:38<witte>That one is a bit better, it explains what we need to know
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11:39[~]fxiny rule 1 looks like a pint of fresh beer ...
11:39<Guest1067>I install rar,but when I run rar,
11:39<Guest1067>rar is not install
11:40<Guest1067>note is
11:40<Guest1067>rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
11:40<harpal>mbroeker: its working, I have boot in to debian
11:40<Mankod>harpal, ;)
11:40<witte>Guest1067: how did you install rar? Using synaptic, apt-get or aptitude?
11:41<mbroeker>harpal, dont forget to adjust /etc/fstab
11:41<witte>Guest1067: or differently
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11:41<mbroeker>all your hard drive partitions are now sdX<N>
11:41<Guest1067>source install
11:41<Guest1067>using makeinstall
11:41<witte>Guest1067: why?
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11:41<witte>Guest1067: you are using debian? use its powers :-)
11:42<witte>Guest1067: aptitude update;aptitude install rar
11:42<Mankod>mbroeker, this kind of packages is better install since mirror
11:42<mbroeker>Mankod, hm?
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11:43<Mankod>Guest1067, this kind of packages is better install since mirror
11:43<Guest1067>thanks, I try now
11:43<witte>Guest1067: but you need non-free added to your package list
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11:44<witte>Guest1067: could be that this is done already, otherwise come back and we'll explain how to add it
11:44<Mankod>Guest1067, aptitude install unrar
11:44<neoport0>just downloaded using the network installer
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11:44<neoport0>the sound in gnome does not work
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11:44<neoport0>is it becuse i have to install all the gnome packets?
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11:45<mbroeker>neoport0, open a console, enter alsaconf and sit tight!
11:45<neoport0>what does that do
11:46<mbroeker>alsa confen
11:46<witte>neoport0: alsaconf is in the alsa-utils
11:46<witte>... package
11:46<mbroeker>neoport0, if that works, unmute your devices with alsamixer
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11:47<neoport0>lol im such a noob
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11:51<witte>neoport0: does that mean that it works now, or that you are "translating" our messages to something you understand?
11:51<neoport0>doing sound card search right now
11:52<witte>neoport0: ok
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11:52<inonooby>so do some one know something about wireskark
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11:53<weasel>nobody knows anything about wireskark
11:53[~]mbroeker believes, that wireshark is overwhelmed
11:53[~]fxiny preferes wirecats
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11:54<neoport0>u guys a freaken awsome
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11:55<weasel>and there I was thinking this channel's language was english
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11:56<JasonS>weasel: englishish
11:56<harpal>I have linux on a harddisk, and I have lost my boot loader, I have try to install like grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/board /dev/hdd but its taking long time
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11:56<mbroeker>harpal, enter "grub" without params
11:56<tjfontaine>it could be looking for a floppy
11:56<neoport0>ty witte and mbroeker
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11:58<mbroeker>it take 20 seconds on my box until the grub screen appears when i enter "grub" in the shell
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11:59<fxiny>bad bad : my beloved vintage PII is faster ...
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12:04<harpal>after than what should I do?
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12:06<mbroeker>wow thats cool
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12:06<mbroeker>i installed xchat and the xchat-systray plugin
12:06<mbroeker>and i got always two systray icons
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12:07<mbroeker>i removed the systray thing and now: xchat shows only one systray icon...
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12:07<mbroeker>nice, nice
12:07<Guest1070>who knows using shark analyser
12:08[~]mbroeker believes ... and all the guys know...
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12:08<fxiny>on the vintage line , this morning while reading the news i found this link ,very on topic : . feel free to cry :)
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12:09<cire>I wrote a small bash-script which shall be involved by another script. this should be done quietly. I tried the following line in my script: "/opt/foo param1 param2 & > /dev/null 2>/dev/null", but still I get output on my screen. How may I avoid that?
12:09<swatikiss>does anyone have a suggestion for a way to automate the backup of my files?
12:09<m^3>swatikiss: unison and cron??
12:10<swatikiss>m^3, would this backup onto an external or network drive?
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12:10<m^3>swatikiss: once these are mounted - yes
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12:11<petemc>swatikiss: dirvish or backuppc
12:12<inonooby>on wireshark started in user i can see interface but i cant start wireshark as root so how can i make it work
12:12<witte>swatikiss: I believe mondo can be used for that as well
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12:12<swatikiss>cool thanks!
12:12<alexandre>jfjfjdjhzh ejdjjdr
12:12<mbroeker>cire, ls /xyz /tmp &>/dev/null
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12:13<alexandre>kfgjjgjkeigtkfji zodpfqwjzjq
12:13<alexandre>vjjdfjrfdjvf vfjfj*
12:13<alexandre>gjgk kjj
12:13<witte>alexandre: go play somewhere else
12:13<qbit>oh hell yes
12:13<mbroeker>kill the kitty man, alexandre
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12:13<alexandre>fhfjfi gfijikdrhgv
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12:14<alexandre>gjgkjjfjedn dfjfjfkrgkv
12:14<dpkg>i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
12:14<alexandre>jfghehghhdth dfuf
12:14<fxiny>alexandre: decode this : wt4x !
12:14<Mankod>alexandre, ¬¬
12:14<alexandre>gugjjg vgui*$
12:14<alexandre>jgghjbklcxkgk gjgjjgffkiorf
12:14<witte>dpkg: ops alexandre is putting a lot of garbage on the channel
12:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: witte complains about: alexandre is putting a lot of garbage on the channel
12:15<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
12:15<LoRez>alexandre: eh, what's up?
12:15|-|mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ
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12:15<neoport0>i like this linux alot better the suse and others
12:15<inonooby>suse suxxx
12:16<alexandre>kgjfj gjkhkckfkyo ofnvgfkkoggkgfl folf,gkfkfkof
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12:16<mbroeker>kill the french guy
12:16|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*] by LoRez
12:16<Mankod>LoRez, thanks ;)
12:16<mbroeker>thanks, LoRez!
12:16<@LoRez>I'm lagged badly.
12:17<neoport0>how come all spy ware and pop ups only work for winblows
12:17<neoport0>i notice you dont get pop ups and such with linux
12:17<fxiny>i see no alexandre bones scattered : a new silent bloodless kick ?
12:17<@LoRez>nah, he's still in here, just cannot say anything
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12:18<JasonS>neoport0: you can get popups in linux to an extent
12:18<witte>neoport0: because of two reasons: +95 % of stupid desktop users use windows, and it is easier to write spyware for windows
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12:19<witte>neoport0: also: the windows defaults are: default bad
12:19<inonooby>troll ??
12:20<JasonS>inonooby: not necesssarily
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12:22<inonooby>linux is good for server , windows has some good points too
12:23<sentius>does anyone know an installation server for woody
12:23<fxiny>bitchx flavours ? it smells like win ! irssi will never ever do that !
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12:33<cire>if I call a script out of another, and I am using "mycommand &" it works great, but using "mycomand &>/dev/null" let's the script hang. Why is this?
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12:35<cire>the called script is a not finishing one
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12:38<inonooby>hey why is debian better than ubuntu
12:38<azeem>!why debian
12:38<dpkg> or
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12:39<dpkg>hy iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. Or see
12:39<inonooby>!why debian
12:40<dpkg> or
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12:41<witte>!tell inonooby about selftell
12:41<repair-man>woot got midpssh to work on my crackberry
12:41<mjk>How can I install an older version of "nfs-kernel-server" on my Lenny box? I haven't even found a list of previous versions. :-/
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12:41<azeem>mjk: why would you want to install nfs-kernel-server?
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12:42<mjk>azeem: Because it seems the current version has a bug which the previouse version hadn't. And to verify that, I wanted to install the old version.
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12:43<azeem>mjk: try
12:43<witte>mjk: if the deb file is still in /var/cache/apt/archives, you can dpkg -i it
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12:44<mjk>witte: Alas, I regularly clean up the cache. :-}
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12:44<mjk>azeem: Checking ...
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12:44<witte>mjk: then it is you own fault :P
12:44<mjk>witte: ;-)
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12:46<witte>mjk: for which debian version, and which version do you want?.
12:48<mjk>witte: Lenny, the nfs-kernel-server version before 1:1.1.0-11. gives me a package "nfs-utils", so I'll try to install that via dpkg.
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12:48<azeem>nfs-utils is likely the source package which ships the nfs-kernel-server binary package
12:48<mjk>azeem: Okay.
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12:50<witte>mjk, I have that one working without problems (did experience bugs) but I have several debs in my /var/cache/apt/archives I can zip them and put them online if needed
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12:50<azeem>he already knows about
12:50<mjk>witte: Thanks for your offer! But seems to contain nfs-kernel-server.deb, hooray! =)
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12:52<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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12:56<mjk>azeem: was perfect, thanks!
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12:59<neoport0>how fo i install a new theme
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13:00<james>when I setting date using hwclock
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13:01<vxdscn>How can I rebuild packages from source
13:01<Guest1075>select () to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
13:02<peterrooney>iirc, there is a ncurses frontend for md in the debian installer. is there a separate package w/ this functionality?
13:02<peterrooney>vxdscn: apt-get install apt-src should help
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13:06<Guest1075>I using shell on boot setting datetime yet , I want to know why not using hwclock
13:06<vxdscn>peterrooney: thanks
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13:08<Guest1075>hi ?
13:08<azeem>Guest1075: you didn't seem to have asked a Debian question, maybe you're in the wrong channel?
13:09<neoport0>quetion i try to intall a desktop theme
13:09<neoport0>and it keeps telling me file is invaled
13:09<neoport0>i got it from gnom-lookup
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13:09<Guest1075>O, I'm sortty
13:10<Guest1075>I using hwclock alert me select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
13:10<azeem>how is that related to Debian?
13:11<Guest1075>debian 4.0r0
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13:20<donfede>is anyone here able to successfully use rdesktop (via grdesktop or krdc) to STABLY connect to a crummy M$ Win2k3 server?
13:20<donfede>mine keeps crashing spontaneously (not even footprints or error meesages)
13:21<witte>donfede: yes, but i use the commandline tool
13:21<m^3>donfede: I do what's you're problem (logs??)
13:22<witte>donfede: but i do it to a windows server 2003 r2 (don't know if this makes a difference)
13:22<donfede>witte: not r2 here.
13:22<donfede>m^3: can either krdc or grdesktop create logs, and if so where?
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13:22<donfede>witte: I've yet to invest the time (I don't really have it available) in learning the cli tool on its own
13:23<witte>donfede: for me it is just "rdesktop -u <winusername> -d <domain> <servername>
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13:24<m^3>grdesktop and rdesktop work fine for me on winXP and 2003-Server....
13:25<sidiali>!dpkg nvidia
13:25<sidiali>how can I get help from dpkg?
13:25<frank> !nvidia
13:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
13:25<sidiali>hello first
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13:25<sidiali>!dpkg nvidia one-liner
13:26<frank>sidiali: skip dpkg
13:26<Maulkin>sidiali: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
13:26<ranix>donfede: please refrain from inciting trolling. 'M$' is not welcome here. This is not a channel for ragging on operating systems you don't like.
13:27<donfede>ranix: ;) I normally don't ... I'm just at my wits end with this project (getting AD to work with openldap / my debian boxes in some way) , and murphy is all over it
13:27<donfede>ranix: i'll try to be more balanced
13:28<ranix>ok, I didn't mean to sound rude
13:29<donfede>witte: so it appears I'm getting getting core dumps / segfaults from rdesktop...
13:29<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or
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13:31<sidiali>I installed just the main system and now I try to setup all modules, what is the name of sound module that i should install to get my sound-ship started pls?
13:31<frank>depends on your chip
13:31<witte>donfede: limited error message, does not really help :-). I can only say that it doesn't do that when I do it here :-)
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13:31<sidiali>that shoul run with default driver that debian commes with
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13:32<m^3>donfede: how did you install rdesktop / which version of debian do you use?
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13:35<frank>sidiali: installed alsa-utils?
13:35<sidiali>thanks frank
13:36<donfede>m^3: debian stable (etch 4.0 ) ... rdesktop 1.5.0-1
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13:37<donfede>crap, i hate getting strung along on tangents ... let me try to compile rdesktop from the deb package source ,and see what the corefile says with debug symbols...
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13:38<m^3>donfede: sounds good! lets keep fingers crossed ;-)
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13:42<Tuplad>hmm, I started a program and my taskbar disappeared (I use kde)
13:42<Tuplad>what to do ?
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13:44<donfede>witte: m^3: I've yet to try it, but this sounds like my bug ...
13:45<witte>donfede: that bug is for rdesktop on debian unstable on a ia32
13:45<witte>donfede: I have to say that i can't really compare, I use it on testing
13:46<witte>donfede: but I am not sure the problem is rdesktop
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13:46<m^3>donfede: apt-get install rdesktop on testing works like a charm - thats what I am doing
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13:47<witte>m^3: cosign :-)
13:47<donfede>m^3: and your rdesktop version (and libx11-6) ?
13:47<swatikiss>how can i convert video to play on my video ipod in linux ?
13:48<witte>donfede: 1.5.0-2 and 2:1.0.3-7
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13:48<m^3>donfede: Version 1.5.0. Copyright (C) 1999-2005 Matt Chapman.
13:48<m^3>See for more information.
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13:50<m^3>donfede: using libx11-6 version: 2:1.0.3-7
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13:51<Larks>witte you still there?
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13:52<donfede>witte: m^3: thanks ... it seems that upgrading to rdesktop 1.5.0-2 (from 1.5.0-1 on etch) fixed the instability ... the bug report described it rather well ... :-/ I should have checked there first
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13:53<m^3>donfede: pleasure, one more problem solved ;-)
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14:02<harpal>When I try to start my networking than its giving me error SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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14:04<mbroeker>harpal, paste lspci to a nopaste server
14:04<monra_>How can I write greek in debian?
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14:05<mbroeker>do you have two nics / a bad chipset from nv* or a misconfigured sys, harpal ?
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14:06<Eulex>harpal, fix your /etc/network/interfaces.
14:06<harpal>yes I have two nics I get this error in all
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14:07<aycko>monra_: do u use gnome?
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14:08<monra_>aycko, I use GNOME
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14:09<aycko>monra_: then go Desktop->Preferences->Keyboard->Layouts and add greek ;)
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14:11<xayon><semi-OT> does anyone if I can use my integrated graphic card as a secondary video output? I've configured Xorg to that, but secondary exit shows nothing...
14:11<aycko>monra_: works?
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14:12<xayon>I've got a AGP and the integrated and my bios only allows to choose as primary device "PcI" or "Integrated/AGP"
14:12<monra_>what should I do in order to change the writing , ALt+SHIFT?
14:13<aycko>monra_: i dont know, i dont switch, i just use german layout. thats ok for english stuff.
14:13<aycko>monra_: but its actually a bit tricky u need to move the language up u want to type
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14:13<monra_>anyones know in chat how to switch languages?
14:14<aycko>monra_: i consider it a but, i guess gnome calls it a feature
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14:15<harpal>Eulex: here is my interface file
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14:16<harpal>If i do ifconfig -a than it shows me interfaces eth6 to eth9
14:17<monra_>aycko, done! right alt... some more options were there
14:17<seb_>W: GPG error: testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
14:17<aycko>monra_: ok
14:17<seb_>When I apt-get update
14:17<weasel>!apt-key 07DC563D1F41B907
14:17<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 ; gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
14:18<Eulex>harpal, known bug, let me link to it.
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14:18<seb_>weasel, gpg: build_packet(2) failed: file write error
14:18<mbroeker>i am installing the devs paks right now...
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14:19<harpal>Eulex: I have changed eth0 to eth6 than its working
14:19<mbroeker>how can i set the default compiler links?
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14:19<Eulex>harpal, right
14:19<mbroeker>eg: g++-4.2 should be symlinked to g++
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14:19<Larks>Are there any etch installer images that support my ich9 sata controller? ASUS p5k-V mb
14:19<mbroeker>should i do it myself?
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14:20<seb_>apt-get install vlc
14:20<seb_>E: Package vlc has no installation candidate
14:22<harpal>Eulex: thanx
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14:26<harpal>Eulex: I have networking on but I cant ping to any machine
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14:26<valdyn>!sarge 2.6.20
14:26<dpkg>sarge 2.6.20 is probably
14:26<valdyn>Larks: check that site ^^^
14:27<Larks>ok, ty
14:27<laniz>valdyn: is there a way to list what the bot knows about "etch"?
14:27<dondelelcaro>!listkeys etch
14:27<dpkg>Factoid search of 'etch' by key (15 of 92): #debian xorg etch ;; _default bletch ;; _default etch ;; _default etch pool 1 ;; _default etch release date ;; _default marillat.etch ;; _default sarge->etch ;; debian-multimedia.etch ;; etch bet ;; etch floppies ;; etch installer ;; etch release ;; etch upgrade kernel ;; ;; great!!! etch.
14:28<Larks>valdyn: I actually used that image, it installed lenny packages.
14:28<dondelelcaro>laniz: but use /msg to do it. /msg dpkg help; for complete details
14:28<Eulex>harpal, checked your routes?
14:28<laniz>dondelelcaro: thanks :)
14:28<Larks>valdyn: other then that it worked well. But I would like to run stable.
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14:29<valdyn>Larks: should be some backports, not lenny, but i havent used it..
14:29<Larks>valdyn: after I install, and use apt, what should I point the sources file to, etch? or something else?
14:29<valdyn>Larks: etch
14:29<laniz>dondelelcaro: when it lists 15 of 92 facts, can i do something like "next 15"?
14:30<valdyn>!etch 2.6.21
14:30<dpkg>etch 2.6.21 is probably avaiable at - ask me about <bpo>
14:30<Larks>valdyn: thats what I tried, and none would install, broken packages
14:30<Larks>ok thanks
14:30<Larks>ill try that.
14:30<valdyn>Larks: you might want / need to get some stuff from bpo
14:30<harpal>I have checked route but I dont think it has problem
14:30<valdyn>Larks: just that bpo does not provide an installer itself
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14:31<Larks>valdyn: how do I rap the backport kernel into an installer?
14:31<Larks>or do I need to?
14:32<valdyn>Larks: kmutos image should work to install.. you can use a kernel later
14:32<Larks>valdyn: kmutos install did work. But I could not install etch packages.
14:33<valdyn>Larks: need the specific error
14:33<Larks>valdyn: are you saying install base system, then backport kernel, and the install etch packages?
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14:33<valdyn>Larks: use kmuto to install system, use backports to 'fix' specific errors. I don't know your specific error
14:34<Larks>ill be back ;)
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14:34<valdyn>Larks: i cant comment on this installer specifically being broken
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14:34<harpal>I got the problem, I havent specify any ip to eth7 so its taking same as et8 so its conflicting
14:34<valdyn>Larks: but kmutos stuff had a good reputation as far as i know
14:35<Larks>valdyn: yah it worked great. I just did apt-get update, and apt-get install on various packages and nothing worked, broken dependencies.
14:35<Larks>valdyn: that was until I pointed the sources to lenny
14:35<Larks>valdyn: then it all installed without a hitch
14:35<valdyn>Larks: right. Backports should be able to satisfy those depends
14:36<valdyn>Larks: so you *should* be able to stay on etch
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14:36<Larks>valdyn: ok thanks I'll try that. Seems a more direct approach would see why the etch installer doesn't support ich9 sata. but we do what we can ;)
14:36<Larks>thanks again.
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14:38<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to put my bluetooth device working on my pc. I can find my phone from my pc but not the other way
14:38<valdyn>Larks: sarge's installer simply cant support ich9 because its kernel is older than ich9 support
14:38<bcochofel>hciconfig tells me no iscan is running but I have it enable on hcid.conf. Is this a bug?
14:38<Larks>valdyn: I was sure I was using etch.
14:39<valdyn>Larks: that may just be a matter of adding another pci id to the ahci driver, but that doesnt help you..
14:39<Larks>valdyn: but is that the same difference?
14:40<valdyn>Larks: err, i meant etch, sarge is even older..
14:40<valdyn>Larks: ich9 support was added around 2.6.21
14:40<Larks>valdyn: also odd, another install ich9R worked without a hitch on etch
14:40<Larks>is there a way to get a etch install cd with 2.6.21 kernel?
14:41<Larks>or make one?
14:41<valdyn>Larks: that is kmutos installer.
14:41<Larks>I think I am catching on. thanks.
14:41<laniz>my playing with dpkg was disappointing. it does not know anything about Etch run by a 2.4 kernel. could somebody point me to a wiki or something like that?
14:41<valdyn>Larks: ich9r has 2 operating modes in the bios: raid and ahci, you need to use ahci
14:42<Larks>yes, on that board I did.
14:42<valdyn>laniz: etch does not support 2.4
14:43<laniz>potato did not support 2.4 also, but there is a guide how to do it
14:43<aycko>to get a new debian computer, what would u recommend. ibm or dell?
14:43<valdyn>aycko: laptop?
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14:43<aycko>valdyn: no just workstation
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14:44<Larks>unfortunatly etch supports my video, and lenny supports my sata controller. can't get them both supported in either.
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14:45<valdyn>Larks: is this a g33 chipset?
14:45<aycko>valdyn: i totally want my computer to be linux compatible. i hate searching forums for such stuff.
14:45<pplecool>hi ! i've got a problem : when i write " ifconfig " in a terminal the answer is " command not found " what can i do ?
14:45<valdyn>aycko: rhel lists certified computers
14:46<valdyn>aycko: there's various sites, there's various hcls
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14:46<Larks>intel 865G I think.
14:46<valdyn>aycko: going by vendor wont get you far..
14:46<Larks>valdyn: intel 865G I think.
14:46<valdyn>Larks: more like 965?
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14:47<arato>Is there a way to configure Iceweasel to allow .php files to display? I always get a 'open file with' pop-up.
14:47<Larks>valdyn: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000
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14:47<petemc>arato: thats apache rather than iceweasel
14:48<Larks>valdyn: yes I think you are correct. 965
14:48<arato>petemc, oh okay! should I be adding something in the .ini file?
14:48<petemc>arato: no, how did you install php?
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14:48<valdyn>Larks: go use kmutos installer and whatever backports you need
14:48<arato>petemc, through apt-get
14:48<valdyn>Larks: worst case you can backports stuff yourself, its not difficult
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14:49<petemc>arato: it should be alll set up automatically now, try a2enmod php4
14:49<Larks>valdyn: I don't know my way around kernels very well.
14:49<pplecool>anyone ?
14:49<valdyn>Larks: you dont need to.
14:49<petemc>pplecool: /sbin/ifconfig
14:49<Larks>valdyn: so if I install from the installer, then what do I do to add backports?
14:50<valdyn>Larks: use kmutos installer, get errors, ask how to fix the specific error
14:50<Larks>valdyn: and what problems can that create for me in the future.
14:50<valdyn>Larks: instructions are at
14:50<Larks>valdyn: I got LOTS of errors.
14:50<arato>petemc, i have apache 2 and php5. Will that mod work still?
14:50<petemc>arato: i guess try a2enmod php5
14:50<pplecool>thank you
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14:50<petemc>arato: there are thousands of guides on setting up apache/php
14:51<valdyn>Larks: the first error is the primarily importatnt one, and possibly the only important one.
14:51<Larks>valdyn: will be good experience anyway :)
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14:52<arato>petemc, *nod*. Been reading through some but I can't quite figure out why I continue to have problems getting apache to recognize .php files
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14:52<pplecool>it does not work when i click on this file
14:52<petemc>pplecool: click?
14:52<rleigh>Hi folks. Does anyone know of any means of reading a spreadsheet in the new Microsoft OOXML format on Linux (to convert it to a more useful format like CSV or ODF)?
14:53<Larks>valdyn: brb
14:53<pplecool>is there an other way to open this file ?
14:53<piju>anybody know how to play .vlf file ?
14:53<petemc>pplecool: its a command line tool, if you want to config your network, man interfaces
14:54<pplecool>so i have to type /sbin/ifconfig in a terminal that's it ?
14:54<petemc>pplecool: no
14:54<petemc>you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
14:55<petemc>!tell pplecool about reference
14:55<pplecool>sorry i am not really kind on computers
14:55<ad2000>Can someone help me with the installation of etch. i have used the 4.0r0 net install disk but when installing the packages xorg fails to configure, is there anyway to resolve this
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14:56<pplecool>do i have to do anything with the /sbin/ifconfig file ?
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14:57<pplecool>do you know why i get this answer when i type " ifconfig" ?
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15:00<petemc>pplecool: ifconfig is a tool to view or set network interfaces, its in /sbin/ , which is only in roots path - you're best using the interfaces file to configure nics in debian
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15:01<pplecool>i have seen what you mean when i opened the interface file
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15:02<petemc>pplecool: if you're completely clueless, you need to do some reading rather than asking on irc
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15:05<pplecool>thank you for your advice but if i'm here that is because i can't find informations by reading , furthermore my english is not so good as yours and it is hard to understand the reading i do
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15:05<pplecool>thank you for your help anyway
15:05<petemc>you could look for documentation in your native language
15:06<pplecool>be sure i try
15:07<pplecool>thank you for having snt the link ( i had not seen it
15:07<pplecool>let's go !
15:08<petemc>thats the spirit :)
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15:12<pplecool>i now wonder if my accent can be heard throught my words . . . : )
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15:15[~]vastinfest mmm.. megstu svieziu knygu kvapa..
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15:16<baka_gaijin>hey, could someone help me with a laptop issue?
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15:17<streuner>!tell baka_gaijin about ask
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15:24<baka_gaijin>I have a problem with my X-server not booting. I am running Debian 4 live and E17 live (also FC6&7 live, gentoo live). When I let the live cds load default, they cannot start X. In the case of Debian distros, I recieve a blank screen. When using gentoo 5.0, I recieve an X output pasted here . I expect the problem to be with my laptop's monitor. I am running a Dell Inspiron 1520, with a "generic plug & p
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15:27<the-dude>did you try it without the modules?
15:27<baka_gaijin>booting the kernel w/o starting X?
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15:29<Larks>does anyone know why the installer would fail in expert mode... I get hung at a black screen. I can "blindly" do ctrl+alt+f2 enter shutdown -r now , and it will restart my system
15:29<Larks>it does not hang in normal mode
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15:29<petemc>Larks: you should be able to get the expert mode options in the normal install by hitting go back a few times
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15:30<Larks>petemc: I tried that.. I get to the menu but then it starts running normal again
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15:31<petemc>you need to do it for each bit..
15:31<Larks>petemc: for instance I pick detect hardware and it quickly goes straight into setting up network
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15:31<Larks>do you know where the lenny business cd offers the choice to install etch?
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15:47<lanceallott>peterS: have time for a few questions
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15:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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15:49<lanceallott>peterS: yesterday you told me to use modprobe -f
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15:50<lanceallott>it works ok but, if I shut down and restart I have to do it again, what steps do I take to permanently load the module
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15:51<peterS>I don't think I ever told you to modprobe -f anything
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15:52<peterS>but you can add a module to your /etc/modules file if you want it to load at boot time
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15:52<flami>Hi where can i find a good tutorial on how to use GNU parted ?
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15:53<ad2000>i have a problem with the configuration of xorg. everything was working fine untill some updates today, after the updates i could no longer configure xorg, so i tried reinstalling and xorg failed during the reinstall
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15:54<mbroeker>flami, you can still use a frontend like gparted
15:54<flami>I cant :P remote system
15:54<flami>I would if i could
15:54<flami>dont really like partitioning :/
15:54<peterS>why can't you run gparted on your remote system?
15:55<mbroeker>remote partitioning is a bad thing.
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15:55<peterS>only if you're touching the disk with your root filesystem on it
15:55<flami>because i ahd to boot from it and i cant access it its 300 km away
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15:56<flami>Naa Ill just put a partition behind the root partition ( a space i left free ) and then on the 2nd disk ill remove one and make 1 big
15:56<mzhang>how to include my current configuration when I compile a new kernel?
15:56<flami>should be allroght if I find a nice guide on howto use parted
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15:57<flami>mzhang, just copy the .config from your /boot ( or somewhere around there)
15:57<dudester>mzhang /boot/config-*
15:57<lanceallott>ad2000: when you look in the /etc/X11 do you see an xorg.conf.old
15:57<mbroeker>mzhang, dont forget to call make oldconfig
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15:58<flami>mzhang, ok make menuconfig and load the config
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15:58<flami>either way works
15:58<mzhang>this way? /usr/src/linux- cp /boot/config-2.6.19 ./configure
15:58<ad2000>i have reinstalled so it is nolonger there
15:58<mbroeker>cp /boot/config-2.6.19 .config
15:58[~]vastinfest hates life.. life hates back..
15:58<ad2000>and I can access anything
15:59<lanceallott>ad2000: you can still boot into a shell can't you
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16:00<ad2000>no the installer will not finish
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16:00<mbroeker>ad2000, try X -configure as root and copy the generated config to /etc/X11
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16:00<mbroeker>ad2000, the config file is in /root if it works
16:01<ad2000>this system is nit up and running yet
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16:01<mbroeker>ad2000, ok: you can't log in ?
16:01<mzhang>If my cpu is Core Duo, should I choose Pentium-M or Core 2/newer Xeon (MCORE2) as my arch?
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16:02<mbroeker>ad2000, not in x nor the console?
16:02<harpal>how can I do remote desktop in Linux? I want to do remote desktop between windows and linux
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16:02<ad2000>haven't finish the installer so nothing
16:02<flami>harpal, try nomashine nx
16:03<ad2000>this is from another computer
16:03<flami>harpal, there is also the gpl implementation of nx called freenx
16:03<lanceallott>harpal: VNC
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16:03<witte>harpal: you want to run a linux aplication on windows: ssh -X with an
16:03<witte>x-server on the windows box
16:03<flami>but neither are in debian so you gotta get it yourself
16:03<witte>harpal: other way around you can use rdesktop
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16:09<lanceallott>peterS: the module is trying to load at boot but dmesg sez vboxdrv: version magic ' PENTIUM4 gcc-4.1' should be ' PENTIUM4 gcc-3.3'
16:10<peterS>lanceallott: so you should have compiled it with the appropriate compiler
16:10<elvis>can anyone help me with vnc4server?
16:10<elvis>i am having a problem with fonts
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16:12<lanceallott>peterS: is it possible to replace gcc-4.1 with gcc-3.3 without breaking a bunch of stuff
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16:12<peterS>lanceallott: compile your module using gcc-3.3, yes
16:13<jovans>clamav is now Sourcefire ?
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16:16<lanceallott>peterS: it shows being installed ii gcc-3.3 3.3.6-15 The GNU C compiler
16:17<peterS>so use it to build your module, then
16:17<elvis>that is the problem i have
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16:21<lanceallott>peterS: I downloaded Virtualbox from their website as a .deb package and used kpackage to install
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16:22<lanceallott>i guess i will have to remove everything and try again
16:24<lanceallott>but how do I tell dpkg to use gcc-3.3 instead of gcc-4.1
16:24<elvis>so know one know vnc4server?
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16:25<ad2000_>Is ETCH: 4.0r1 released as i can't get 4.0r0 to install anymore, it fails installing xorg and grub
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16:26<witte>ad2000_: yes, 4.0r1 is released
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16:26<ad2000_>it's not on the debian site?
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16:28<ad2000_>where can i get it from
16:30<witte>!tell ad2000_ about 4.0r1
16:30<elvis>anyone know what vnc works with sarge as vnc4server has problem with fons
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16:31<Nemoder>x11vnc works for me
16:32<Larks>anyone know how to make an attansic l1 gigabit ethernet card work?
16:33<Larks>the source is available on the asus website, however I do not have an environment to compile it for amd64
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16:34<Larks>witte: that gives me -1 Unkown symbol in module
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16:34<elvis>will give it a try nemoder will i have the same error as this
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16:35<witte>Larks: ok, you hit google before asking a question. Good :-)
16:35<Larks>possible because I am in 2.6.21-2 because 2.6.18 does not support my SATA controller
16:35<Larks>witte: yah man.. this is a last resort ;)
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16:35<Nemoder>I may be wrong but from what I understand x11vnc uses the current session of X and vncserver creates a new server
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16:35<Nemoder>so if you already have X working then x11vnc should also
16:35<witte>Larks: if I understood it correctly, the guy copied the driver from
16:35<witte>the 2.6.18 kernel to the 2.6.21
16:36<Larks>witte: k I will try again here...
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16:37<witte>Larks: which kernel do you have now?
16:37<elvis>nemoder this is not liking the display?
16:37<Larks>2.6.21 boot cd.
16:37<Larks>lenny business
16:38<Nemoder>elvis: try x11vnc -display :0
16:38<witte>Larks: that card should be supported wiht 2.6.21
16:38<elvis>it cant find that either
16:38<elvis>think this linux install is fucked
16:38<Nemoder>do you have X running?
16:38<elvis>i duno
16:38<elvis>how do i check that again?
16:38<witte>Larks: modprobe atl1 does nothing?
16:38<Larks>witte: hmm.. thats what I thought too...
16:38<Larks>i get...
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16:39<Larks>module atl1 not found
16:39<elvis>not seeing anything in pa -a
16:39<elvis>ps -A
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16:39<witte>Larks: i have no access ot a amd64 machine now, but on my i386:
16:39<witte>grep -i atl1 /boot/config-2.6.21-2-686
16:40<witte>and sorry for the paste of two lines :P
16:40<elvis>nemoder any idea? (dunno if x is actualy installed lol this aint my pc
16:40<elvis>well server
16:40<Larks>witte: I havn't installed the system yet
16:40<Nemoder>if it's just a server then it probably isn't installed
16:40<Larks>witte: just booted with lenny business
16:41<Larks>witte: cannot find the network, cause the card doesnt work.
16:41<elvis>ok how do i install it (i managed to install gnome earlyer after getting throughb errors)
16:41<elvis>do i need kdm (kde)
16:41<witte>Larks: can you go to a terminal in the bootloader?
16:41<Larks>witte: sure
16:41<Larks>witte: I'm there now
16:41<Larks>witte: thats how I was modprobing ;)
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16:42<elvis>nemoder is it x-display or -xwindows i look for?
16:42<witte>Larks: what says uname -a
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16:42<Larks>2.6.21-2-amd64 (uname -r)
16:42<Nemoder>elvis: xserver-xorg
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16:43<witte>Larks: don't know for during boot, but is there a /boot folder with
16:43<witte>a /boot/config file in it
16:43<Larks>witte: no.
16:43<elvis>newest version using -s to see if it finds it?
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16:44<elvis>does that mean x is there?
16:44<witte>Larks: on my system, the driver is in /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/atl1/atl1.ko
16:44<Larks>witte: yes I even got that driver from another system... and attempted to load it.. won't load
16:45<elvis>think there is a problem with the way it loads the :0 or 1
16:45<Larks>witte: and it is not there on this boot cd.
16:45<elvis>xhost can not open display?
16:45<elvis>one of the commands from earlyer
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16:46<Larks>witte: all that is there is .../driver/net/acenic amd8111e arcnet
16:46<elvis>nemoder what does xhost actual do?
16:46<Larks>those are the a's
16:47<elvis>cause it says no display
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16:47<Nemoder>elvis: try apt-get install xbase-clients; startx
16:47<witte>Larks: just checking
16:48<witte>Larks: there it says that it should be there :(
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16:49<elvis>it says it was set to -1 ? will it change it and xbase is latest version
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16:49<Larks>witte: maybe its because I am using business image?
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16:49<witte>Larks: It could be, but it seems strange that they would limit
16:49<witte>hardware recognition
16:50<Larks>witte: yep sure does
16:50<bronek>i have a big problem witch clamav and amavis
16:50<elvis>nemoder how do i get it to 0 instead of -1?
16:51<Nemoder>I don't know what you are talking about
16:51<Larks>witte: but I am looking at it right here.... there are 3 a's, acenic amd8111e arcnet
16:51<Larks>thats it.
16:51<elvis>ok xstart says it is -1 when it should be 0
16:51<bronek>debian:~# mailq
16:51<bronek>-Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient-------
16:51<bronek>CC18741D7 611 Sat Aug 11 18:52:16
16:51<bronek>(host[] said: 451-4.5.0 Error in processing, id=02830-01, vir
16:51<bronek>us_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: ClamAV-clamd av-scanner F
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16:51<elvis>one moment will try load the start
16:51<witte>Larks: I believe you, but I do not know what to do about it :-)
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16:52<Larks>witte: guess ill get the other image.
16:52<bronek>do u know anybody who know amavis and clamav ????
16:53<witte>Larks: guess you have limited other options
16:53<monra>I want to isntall gtk on my debian, how can i do this?
16:54<monra>apt-get install gtk+ doen's find anything
16:54<witte>monra: first search for packages: apt-cache search gtk+
16:55<witte>monra: but that list is quite long :)
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16:55<monra>there are thousands WildOS yeah
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16:55<monra>witte I mean
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16:56<lanceallott>you could try export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
16:56<monra>Maybe I should install all these:
16:57<Nemoder>elvis: weird, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:57<witte>monra: i do not know what you need (gtk or gtk2 or gtk+), since i do
16:57<witte>not really know the difference
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16:57<witte>but apt-cache search gtk+2.0 gives fewer results :-)
16:59<monra>witte, install gtk-config
16:59<monra>I think, or anyway when writing gtk-config at terminal something to be foudn
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17:00<witte>monra: do you want gtk so that you can make your own programs or do
17:00<witte>you want to run gtk programs?
17:00<monra>make my own programs
17:00<monra>and after run them :P
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17:01<elvis>i have half english half foriegn language?
17:01<witte>monra: i think you need libgtk2.0-0 -doc and -bin
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17:02<monra>i have installed just installing -doc and -bin
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17:03<elvis>ok think that is reconfigured
17:04<monra>witte, installed... but don't hink works now
17:05<witte>monra: why do you think that
17:05<elvis>nemoder same thing
17:05<monra>witte, gtko.c:1:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
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17:06<witte>monra: apt-file search gtk/gtk.h
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17:06<witte>seems you need libgtk2.0-dev
17:06<elvis>anyway to get the display to 0 instead of -1?
17:07<monra>witte trying install -dev but got this errors
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17:08<monra>send it to u
17:08<witte>use a pastebin
17:08<witte>ok, i have it
17:08<elvis>anyone know how to change the priority
17:09<witte>monra: it says run apt-get update and try again
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17:10<Larks_>witte: neither lenny cd has it available.
17:10<witte>Larks_: ask in #debian-boot why
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17:11<witte>Larks_: I am just a user, no debian developer or so
17:11<Larks_>thanks for you time/help
17:11<witte>no problem
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17:12<elvis>Nemoder any ideas?
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17:12<Nemoder>sorry, I'm not sure what is going on
17:13<elvis>neither am i think the settings are fucked
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17:13<elvis> <---i get same responce with either the export or reconfig
17:14<elvis>dunno why it is set to -1?
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17:14<elvis>anyway to change that?
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17:15<Nemoder>I don't think that warning is your problem
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17:15<elvis>i think who ever set this up for him is the problem
17:15<Nemoder>take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:16<elvis>one minute
17:17<elvis>i on one server that is connected with another
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17:23<monra>witte, installed but still gtko.c:1:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
17:23<elvis>nemoder what am i looking for
17:23<Nemoder>lines that start with EE
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17:27<elvis>can see nothing in the entire logs starting with Ee
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17:33<elvis>got vnc4server working thanks for pointing me to that file nemoder
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17:34<monra>witte, there?
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17:35<elvis>ok got a simpler one how do i change this to english?
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17:46<stereo>hello everyone
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17:47<stereo>I have a box that displays L 99 99 99... during lilo. I understand that's an invalid second stage error. I booted from the rescue cd and ran lilo, making sure boot=/dev/hdb was set, but I get the same error. What am I doing wrong?
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17:48<stereo>I tried googling, and setting /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hdb1 is the only solution that showed up
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17:49<stereo>the disk mounts, and the lilo setup worked before lightning cut the electricity...
17:50<tcsetattr>you boot from the slave device?
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17:50<tcsetattr>direct from the BIOS to the slave IDE, or with something in between?
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17:51<stereo>straight from the bios. It has the slave in third boot position, after floppy and cd
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17:52<tcsetattr>I don't think I ever saw one that can do that. The way I remember, they usually just say "Floppy,CDROM,Harddisk" or something like that
17:52<tcsetattr>where of course the Harddisk would be the first one.
17:53<seanius>stereo: when you ran lilo, did you chroot first or pass any special options to lilo (i.e. -r) ?
17:53<stereo>seanius: tried both
17:53<tcsetattr>your BIOS might be swapping the master/slave disk IDs, in which case you need to tell LILO that the BIOS identifier for hdb is 0x80, not the 0x81 it's expecting.
17:54<stereo>actually, I have that
17:54<stereo>maybe I should remove it
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17:54<seanius>stereo: is grub out of the question? :)
17:54<stereo>if I can install it from the rescue thing, it isn't :)
17:54<elvis>how do i change the language in locales dpkg?
17:55<elvis>can seem to find the button to select english
17:55<lupine_85>dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
17:55<stereo>elvis: I think dpkg-reconfigure
17:55<elvis>i need to understand it first lol
17:55<elvis>can not select en (dont know how)
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17:56<seanius>stereo: if you can boot into rescue, mount your partitions, and chroot into your mounted systems you should be able to install grub
17:56<seanius>assuming network access
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17:58<stereo>I'll try that if commenting out 0x80 fails
17:58<tcsetattr>I believe 0x80 corresponds to grub's hd0 and 0x81 is grub's hd1
17:59<stereo>it's working!
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17:59<stereo>somehow it needed the 0x80 before, and doesn't anymore
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18:00<stereo>so, what's the advantage of grub? It'll avoid that sort of stuff?
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18:01<dpkg>i guess grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system:, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>.
18:01<dpkg>hmm... lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of (who isn't named after the LInux LOader)
18:02<stereo>ah, I use xfs for my root
18:02<tcsetattr>the underlying issue (that you must know which disk the BIOS considers to be "first") is the same regardless. But grub doesn't further confuse you by attempting to use the Linux device names like /dev/hdb
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18:02<stereo>funny, I thought I had grub on a box with an xfs root
18:02<pablo_>hi, will nonfree firmware be removed from debian kernel?
18:03<witte>pablo_: nonfree firmware should never have been in the debian kernel
18:03<weasel>stereo: I do that all the time and never had problems
18:03<tcsetattr>"not recommended with XFS" might just be an outdated gripe from someone who couldn't spell well :)
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18:04<pablo_>witte: so debian has no nonfree firmware?
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18:04<stereo>yeah, it works fine on that box. It's not even too modern, so it's not like the problem got fixed recently
18:04<witte>!tell pablo_ about non-free
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18:05<stereo>but then google has 580k results for grub xfs, all of them mentioning trouble
18:05<witte>pablo_: that means that some stuff are in a seperate repository
18:05<witte>(next to main and contrib) and you can add them if you want
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18:06<stereo>!grub dvorak
18:06<dpkg>Dvorak keymapping for the GRUB bootloader is available from Add the contents of 'grub-dvorak.lst' above any menu items in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file.
18:06<pablo_>witte: no, so i have lenny with the main repo only, i have no nonfree firmware?
18:07<stereo>I'm still waiting for my dvorak bios :)
18:07<Larks_>Is there a place to lookup your hardware and what driver it uses?
18:07<tcsetattr>interesting. does that mean that dvorak keyboards don't have the same keycaplabel->scancode mapping that regular keyboards use?
18:07<harpal>where can I export path when system starts? I dont want to specify that in .bashrc
18:08<witte>pablo_: indeed
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18:09<witte>harpal: look in etch, there is /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile
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18:09<stereo>thank you witte, tcsetattr and seanius :)
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18:10<pablo_>witte: so why people say debian has nonfree firmware
18:11<witte>pablo_: I do not know why people say that, but it is not entirely incorrect
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18:11<lupine_85>pablo_: because it has non-free firmwaere
18:11<lupine_85>not that it particularly matters
18:11<stereo>tcsetattr: usually, people take any keyboard and touchtype
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18:12<stereo>so I'll be typing on the asdf keys to get aoeu
18:12<witte>pablo_: if you have in your sources.list deb testing main contrib non-free
18:12<kevinl>bash question.. "if" statement to check if "substring" is in $bigstring ?
18:12<stereo>the conversion to the 'proper' character is done in software
18:12<tcsetattr>case "$bigstring" in
18:12<witte>pablo_: then you have a non-free part, but that is not entirely part
18:12<witte>of debian, although it is maintained by debian (correct me if i am wrong)
18:12<tcsetattr>*substring*) dosomething ;;
18:13<kevinl>tcsetattr, thanks
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18:13<Larks_>witte: is there a place to find out what driver to use with a certain hardware?
18:13<tcsetattr>right here... we're good at that
18:13<witte>Larks_: I usually use google :-)
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18:14<pablo_>witte: what is this?
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18:14<Larks_>tcsetattr: what driver do I need for ich9 southbridge sata controller?
18:15<pablo_>witte: it has sourceless firmware in main?
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18:16<knovak>I once installed java 1.4.2 (with the cgj JDK), then I removed it and installed the Sun JDK 5, then removed that and installed the Sun JDK 6 from the sun website, then I removed that because just typing "java" at the console did not execute the program. So I uninstalled that one and installed the jdk 6 from synaptic, but the file linkings still do not work. Is there any way to make the packaged reconfigure themselves? I tried dpkg --conf
18:16<knovak>igure on the bin, jre, and jdk packages, but it aid that they were already configured
18:16<tcsetattr>looks like ata_piix, Larks
18:17<witte>pablo_: i do not know, I am not that concerned about it. As you can
18:17<witte>see from that site you gave, you can have a lot of discussion about it :)
18:18<atperez>Greetings. I used m-a a-i sl-modem-source to get some modules (slamr, ungrab_winmodem). It seemd it was well done (no error messages). But when executing modprobe slamr I get "FATAL: Module slamr not found". Any hint to find out what am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
18:19<craigevil>knovak: try doing update-alternatives --config java
18:20<Larks_>tcsetattr: thanks
18:22<knovak>is there any program to do that, but for /usr/bin? I deleted the links there to all the java applications... (stupid, I know)
18:23<craigevil>try reinstalling apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin then do update-alternatives --config java
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18:30<knovak>still no
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18:35<knovak>it seems I still have some gcj things installed, I'm going to try to remove them and then reinstall sun-java
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18:39<knovak>stil no avail
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18:39<witte>knovak: how do you test java?
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18:39<knovak>I go to the command line and type java
18:41<witte>knovak: if I do apt-file search /usr/bin/java, i do not find it
18:41<witte>under sun-...
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18:42<witte>knovak: can you simply try a java based game
18:44<knovak>yes, the plugin for firefox appears to work
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18:51<pablo_>someone knows if there are sourceless firmware in main?
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18:55<craigevil>knovak: try java -version in console
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18:56<chealer>pablo_: yes
18:56<knovak>bash: java: command not found
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18:58<pablo_>chealer: will it be removed or there are no plans for hat?
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18:59<chealer>pablo_: I don't know.
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19:00<pablo_>chealer: whats your opinion about it?
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19:01<chealer>pablo_: same as for several other Linux bugs; it would be great to have more manpower in the Linux maintainance team.
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19:05<pablo_>chealer: but it is not a matter of manteinance
19:05<chealer>pablo_: how do you know?
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19:06<mbroeker>can i save my current connection infos in irssi?
19:06<bcochofel>Hi, anyone here using bluez dund to connect to a mobile phone?
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19:09<pablo_>chealer: dont know, just i think that removing nonfree firmware from main is not a question of mantainance
19:10<chealer>pablo_: AFAIK it's the only problem
19:10<pablo_>chealer: gnewsense/ututo/blag has less manpower and dont hace sourceless firmware
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19:11<chealer>pablo_: are you sure about that?
19:11<pablo_>chealer: about what?
19:12<chealer>pablo_: that gnewsense, ututo and blag distribute a sourceless firmware-free Linux?
19:12<mbroeker>system maintance completed. brb ( hopefully...)
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19:12<pablo_>chealer: at less rms thinks that
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19:14<pablo_>chealer: you think they still hace sourceless firmware?
19:15<dpkg>from memory, rms is Richard M. Stallman
19:15<chealer>pablo_: I know that gNewSense doesn't have non-free firmware, but I doubt that all the 5 others also don't have any.
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19:22<wayo>alguien de españa?
19:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:22<bcochofel>Need some help with config of dund to connect to my nokia phone
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19:36<mzhang>dli: there?
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19:49<elvis>i still have my display error anyone wanna help me
19:49<Larks_>in X?
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19:49<elvis> <--
19:49<Larks_>elvis: xorg?
19:49<elvis>thats the error i get
19:49<knovak>I saw an elvis impersonator today in the subway :)
19:50<elvis>i do startx to get that error
19:50<Larks_>that may not be the error...
19:50<Larks_>cant you post the entier /var/logs/Xorg.log file?
19:51<elvis>one moment
19:51<chealer>elvis: please provide your X log.
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19:52<elvis>i am getting this the problem is i vncing onto my linux box (not the one i talking about) puttying to the other server using windows
19:52<chealer>oh, sorry
19:53<Larks_>there should be xorg.0.log and xorg.0.log.old , we just want the current one.
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19:53<Larks_>everytime you run x they backup with old and rewrite .log.
19:54<elvis>this thing is massive :0
19:54<Larks_>not that big
19:54<Larks_>post it :)
19:56<elvis>getting there can not find an easy way to copy this lol
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19:56<Larks_>you are in windows and vnc to linux box?
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19:57<elvis>i am on a difrent linux box the one i am sorting is for a friend
19:57<elvis>my box is fine
19:57<Larks_>scp it to yourself
19:57<Larks_>are they networked?
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19:58<Larks_>flash drive!
19:58<elvis>can i save it to a ftp directory copy it to linux box (mine then resave it to the correct directory?
19:58<Larks_>or search the file for other (EE)
19:58<Larks_>and let me know what they are.
19:58<elvis>i dont have ee in this file
19:58<Larks_>and what kind of video card are you using?
19:59<elvis>its a server :0
19:59<witte>!tell elvis about pastebin pipe
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19:59<Larks_>witte: he doesnt have it connected to network
19:59<elvis>try it this way
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20:00<Larks_>elvis, nano the file and ctrl+w EE
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20:00<Larks_>and what video hardware!
20:00<Larks_>if no card, what chipset
20:00<elvis>how do i find out? its a server
20:00<Larks_>if so why are you installing x?
20:00<elvis>me yes server duno
20:01<witte>elvis: lspci for the chipset
20:01<elvis>cause it should load
20:01<witte>elvis: is this a sarge machine?
20:01<Larks_>it may not load if there is no video hardware.
20:01<Larks_>i dunno.
20:02<Larks_>4.0 is etch right?
20:02<Larks_>uname -r
20:02<witte>elvis: your kernel from the pastebin shows a 2.6.8 kernel
20:02<elvis>only thing for ee is (EE) error
20:02<witte>that is 3.1
20:02<Larks_>yes.. there can be several of them.
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20:03<el_cubano>Hello. I am trying to solve what I think might be a hardware problem.
20:03<Larks_>elvis: what happends when you issue startx?
20:03<el_cubano>I am running Etch with a stock 2.6.18 kernel on a Via Epia-M. The system always reboots right after the kernel loads and init starts.
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20:04<el_cubano>Anyone know how to force the kernel to not reboot and just freeze instead?
20:04<elvis> <--
20:04<elvis>that happens every time i do startx
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20:05<elvis>one minute i have the hardware from lspci
20:05<Larks_>what makes you think x isnt running?
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20:05<ntbnnt>elvis, your drivers aren't installed properly perhaps
20:06<sysop>hi guys
20:06<chealer>elvis: mixing oldstable and stable is not officially supported.
20:06<ntbnnt>elvis: you getting a dri error
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20:06<Larks_>ntbnnt: thats not fatal is it?
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20:06<sysop>whats an easy way to convert from jpg to tiff in debian? I want to use tesseract but cant get my jpg to tiff.
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20:06<ntbnnt>Larks_: no, X should still start
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20:07<elvis>i dont know what error i getting i know xhost + tells me unable to open display
20:07<sigp239>I get this error "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" when grub tries to boot my Windows partition. Anyone know what that means?
20:07<ntbnnt>AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
20:07<witte>elvis: ok you have a sis graphics card
20:07<Larks_>elvis: those are good cards to work with in linux IMO
20:08<elvis>only prob is they dont
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20:08<Larks_>elvis: do you know how to turn on x forwarding?
20:08<witte>elvis: do a "grep -i Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:08<elvis>no treat me as new
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20:09<elvis>kbd mouses sis
20:09<witte>or even better, upload /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:09<elvis>can i do cp dir toa dir?
20:10<elvis>would be easyer
20:10<witte>elvis: what do you mean?
20:10<Larks_>elvis: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, turn on X11 forwarding -> restart x, then ssh +X from you box... and run nano.. see if it comes up locally.. then you know x is running.
20:11<elvis>can i not copy the file to another directory copy it to ma server ok ignore me
20:11<Larks_>I am sure you guys can slam me for an easier way to do this.. but thats what came to mind.
20:11<elvis>one moment larks i can work as fast as you
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20:11<Larks_>elvis: not sure what you mean by your copy comment.
20:13<Larks_>witte: if I have a module mounted on usb drive to /floppy/ in a boot terminal.. I issue "insmod /floppy/atl1.ko " that should install module right? cause I get -1 Unkown symbol in module.
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20:14<elvis>i dont have forwarding as an option in that file
20:14<witte>Larks_: that should work I think, but maybe atl1 needs another module
20:14<elvis>i ment copy it to another dir ftp it to ma serv open it in text editer copy and paste it into paste bin
20:14<Larks_>witte: where can i check?
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20:14<Larks_>elvis: sure you can do that.. but why not just ftp it from where it is?
20:15<Larks_>elvis: not sure I understand why you need to cp to another dir before ftp
20:15<elvis>cause i dont think i can access it from ftp
20:15<Larks_>elvis: and I thought this computer wasnt networked?
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20:15<elvis>it is a server
20:15<elvis>externaly hosted
20:15<Larks_>elvis: ok ok...
20:15<Larks_>elvis: i can help you.. here...
20:16<Larks_>elvis: how are you logged into the server now?
20:16<elvis>by netowrk i thought you ment 2 computers connected together
20:16<Larks_>ok putty...
20:16<elvis>vnc refuses to accept mouse and keyboard after 3 mins
20:16<witte>Larks_: modinfo atl1 says that it needs mii
20:16<Larks_>witte: k thanks
20:17<Larks_>witte: tell elvis how to post using pipes.
20:17<elvis>ohh and there usernames arrnt even in home
20:17<manphiz>seems is malfunctioning again...
20:17<witte>!tell elvis about pastebin pipe
20:17<chealer>sysop: open it with Krita, save it as TIFF?
20:17<Larks_>elvis: read that, it tells you how to use command line to post things to pastbin
20:18<Larks_>evlis: so you don't have to move it to a computer where you can do it via GUI
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20:18<elvis>i have a broken gui on that server
20:18<Larks_>elvis: you don't need GUI
20:18<Larks_>elvis: read what he sent you
20:19<elvis>i am
20:19<Larks_>!tell Larks_ about pastebin pipe
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20:20<Larks_>elvis: do you understand how that works?
20:20<witte>elvis: and i guess piping means: cat filename |perl
20:20<elvis>this is confusing
20:21<witte>and you get the by issuing: wget
20:21<Larks_>elvis: type - "apt-get install wget"
20:21<elvis>do i save this somewere?
20:21<Larks_>elvis: do that on the server.
20:21<elvis>it was already there
20:21<Larks_>ok good
20:21<Larks_>now on the server: wget
20:21<chealer>!tell Larks_ about selftell
20:22<elvis>the broken server?
20:22<Larks_>chealer: lol
20:22<Larks_>yes elvis.
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20:23<elvis>think that worked
20:23<Larks_>now on server type ls
20:23<Larks_>you should see
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20:25<Larks_>on the server apt-get install libwww-mechanize-perl
20:26<elvis>just glad i got rid of the install errors earlyerm:)
20:26<elvis>ok thats done
20:27<elvis>any u lot ever tasted candy floss?
20:27<Larks_>elvis: what is your log file called? /var/logs/Xorg.log.o ?
20:28<witte>normally that should be /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:28<elvis>var log
20:28<elvis>so /var/log/Xorg.o.log
20:28<elvis>sorry the o should be 0
20:29<Larks_>issue: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
20:29<Larks_>witte: is that right?
20:29<elvis>what witte put :)
20:29<Larks_>the | is a pipe
20:29<Larks_>the thing on the \ key
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20:30<witte>I think you need to put a perl between teh | and the paste2pastebin
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20:30<witte>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | perl
20:30<Larks_>i wanna try this so I can tell him what to do next lol
20:31<elvis>ok witte's one worked
20:31<witte>Larks_: let us know, because i never used it myself :-)
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20:31<witte>elvis: cool :-)
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20:32<witte>it is the mouse
20:32<chealer>elvis: is there a mouse plugged in?
20:32<witte>no core pointer registered
20:33<elvis>i dunno
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20:33<elvis>as statd earlyer this is a server :0
20:33<chealer>elvis: that shouldn't prevent you from knowing whether there's a mouse plugged in...
20:34<witte>what does ls /dev/input/mouse say
20:34<witte>and ls /dev/psaux
20:34<chealer>elvis: the solution which is probably most simple is to plug a mouse in if there's none
20:35<elvis>no suck file or directory and comes back with what i typed - ls
20:35<elvis>chealer that is impossible :0
20:35<Larks_>chealer: remote server ;)
20:36<chealer>elvis: then you should change your X configuration
20:36<elvis>treat me as new
20:37<Larks_>elvis: that script worked for me
20:37<Larks_>it come back with the pastebin link
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20:38<elvis>was what i got from scripted pastebin
20:38<Larks_>elvis: thats what we wanted :)
20:38<elvis>i pasted it earlyer
20:38<elvis><witte> it is the mouse
20:39<witte>Larks_: you are way behind: it was diagnosed and everything
20:39<witte>only not solved
20:39<Larks_>oh sorry.. talking in another channel
20:39<Larks_>just change config
20:39<Larks_>remove core pointers.
20:39<elvis>it cant be the mouse ? i can control mousy with vnc which dies
20:40<witte>elvis: try the thing Larks_ says
20:40<witte>elvis: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:40<chealer>elvis: what? you're able to access that computer via VNC?
20:40<elvis>my own server dont have a mouse and works fine :0
20:40<elvis>yeah but mouse and keyboard stop responding
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20:41<witte>elvis: and put "#" signs before the device "InputDevice" parts with mouses
20:41<Larks_>elvis: remove the mouse settings from the config file...
20:41<chealer>elvis: what do you mean? your own server is unlikely identical to the problematic server.
20:41<Larks_>elvis: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | perl
20:42<elvis>its a server remotly
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20:42<elvis>i put 2 and 2 to make 6 :)
20:42<Larks_>elvis: I will tell you what line to change.
20:43<elvis>should be mine
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20:45<elvis>this pastebin is handy :0
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20:46<Larks_>elvis: edit you xorg.conf...
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20:46<Larks_>elvis: add a section
20:46<Larks_>section ServerFlags
20:46<Larks_>Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
20:47<elvis>at the bottom of file?
20:47<Larks_>thats where that info is
20:47<Larks_>doesn't matter
20:47<Larks_>oh my bad
20:47<Larks_>elvis: don't do that
20:47<Larks_>for the mouse driver.. use "void"
20:48<elvis>were it says driver at the bottom it say mouse put void?
20:48<Larks_>in section "InputDevice"
20:48<Larks_>with Identifier "Configred Mouse"
20:49<elvis>so driver "mouse = drive "void
20:49<Larks_>Driver "mouse"
20:49<Larks_>Driver "void"
20:49<Larks_>try that
20:49<elvis>ok typed and saved
20:50<Larks_>restart x
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20:50<elvis>so startx?
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20:51<Larks_>elvis: I am still unser why you want x running on a headless server.. but w/e
20:52<elvis>all i want is vnc to work properly
20:52<Larks_>elvis: linux to linux you do not need vnc
20:52<elvis>no windows to linux
20:52<Larks_>elvis: you can use remote X
20:52<Larks_>not windows to linux.
20:52<Larks_>just linux to linux
20:52<elvis>will be windows to linux
20:53<witte>windows to linux is possible as well
20:53<Larks_>unless you use cygwin
20:53<witte>you just need an xserver on your windows
20:53<witte>or Xwin32, exceed
20:53<elvis>yeah i have vnc4server running on server
20:53<witte>easier to install than cygwin imho
20:53<elvis>but mouse and keyboard stop responding after a while
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20:54<elvis>i have tight vnc and vnc viewer on my windows pc
20:54<Larks_>i h8 vnc
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20:54<witte>ok, guys, lots of fun, but i am going home while it is still dark
20:54<Larks_>cool in its day
20:54<witte>good luck with it
20:54<elvis>night witte
20:54<Larks_>witte: why would mii not be in cd?
20:54<Larks_>witte: night night
20:54<witte>Larks_: euhm, no idea
20:54<witte>it isn't
20:55<DaniloCesar>elvis, What is the difference between tigthvnc and normal vnc?
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20:55<elvis>difrent layout
20:55<Larks_>wittie: no...
20:55<elvis>does same job but one has difrent layout
20:55<witte>it should be here: /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-*/kernel/drivers/net/mii.ko
20:55<Larks_>i have no net dir.
20:55<c0rnd0g>so should i go from etch to whatever?
20:55<Larks_>on lenny image.
20:55<c0rnd0g>will nvidia drivers and selinux work ok with that number?
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20:56<elvis>so what is the option for windows to linux?
20:56<witte>Larks_: you should ask someone more knowledgable, maybe on
20:56<witte>debian-boot or so
20:56<chealer>elvis: there is more than 1 option, but VNC is one.
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20:57<elvis>vncserver sucks i dont get ma login screen thing i only get grey dotts with x cursor
20:57<elvis>i can get desktop with vnc4server
20:57<chealer>elvis: watch your language please
20:58<Larks_>wittie: because I hadn't loaded the modules on the cd yet :\
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20:58<elvis>vnc4server wont let me click on anything but lets me move the mouse?
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20:59<Larks_>elvis: gotta go for a bit
20:59<elvis>vnc4server wont let me click on anything but lets me move the mouse?
20:59<Larks_>elvis: you got x started right?
20:59<elvis>up key is close to enter and half asleep
20:59<chealer>elvis: that would apparently be a bug
20:59<elvis>think so
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20:59<elvis>think that is what i was trying
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21:00<chealer>elvis: we don't know what you were trying
21:00<elvis>niether do i lol all i want is a desktop so i can edit things
21:02<elvis>and xhost + still says no display
21:02<elvis>well unable to open display
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21:15<sigp239>what is the command to find out what your sound card is?
21:15<dondelelcaro>sigp239: lspci; for starters
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21:18<sigp239>some guy was saying he liked ubuntu better because he could find out what sound card he had
21:18<sigp239>i was like wtf it's the same damn command in debian
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21:22<dfg>hi, i wonder if anyone knows if i can get a "hdaudio softv92" modem working?
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21:24<el_cubano>dfg: Why not get a real modem?
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21:25<sigp239>I have a real modem I will sell to you
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21:26<sigp239>A genuine U.S. Robotics hardware based V.32
21:26<sigp239>I'm saving it for the zombie invasions
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21:30<dfg>el_cubano: what about usb modems - are they supported?
21:34<el_cubano>dfg: Not sure. They are usually software modems as well, so I would guess not.
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21:36<dfg>el_cubano: i'll see... tahnks
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21:42<GhostlyDeath>Why does GDB say " not in executable format: File format not recognized" when I can execute it?
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21:46<elvis>thanks for your help guys
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22:20<CutMeOwnThroat>GhostlyDeath, because it's a shell script
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22:20<GhostlyDeath>CutMeOwnThroat: NO IT ISNT!
22:20<GhostlyDeath>CutMeOwnThroat: How many times do I have to tell you!?
22:21<GhostlyDeath>hurray for miss-tabs
22:21<CutMeOwnThroat>GhostlyDeath, dunno, tell me another time
22:22<GhostlyDeath>will do
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>GhostlyDeath, anyways, all you said the last few hours was: <GhostlyDeath> Why does GDB say " not in executable format: File format not recognized" when I can execute it?
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>did you check it's not a shell script? :)
22:23<GhostlyDeath>CutMeOwnThroat: In another #debian in a land far far away (a.k.a. freenode) the problem was solved
22:23<GhostlyDeath>CutMeOwnThroat: the testing gdb had a bug that the unstable gdb fixed
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22:23<CutMeOwnThroat>sounds like fun
22:24<CutMeOwnThroat>I like the shellscript-theory better
22:24<GhostlyDeath>lots of fun
22:24<GhostlyDeath>now I can GDB to my hearts content
22:24<elvis>ok can someone help me again
22:25<elvis>if i use vnc4 server and only stay in applications it is fine but if i go to desktop the vnc wont respond
22:28<CutMeOwnThroat>elvis, did you try "reboot your computer without saving your data first" already?
22:28<CutMeOwnThroat>elvis, oops, sorry, that was the advice for windows... mixed that up
22:28<elvis>i rebooted computer
22:29<elvis>na everytime i go near dropdown menu desktop vnc wont work
22:29<elvis>fucked install?
22:29<CutMeOwnThroat>what dropdown menu
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22:30<elvis>ok gnome there is something called Desktop along with places and applications i can not access desktop thing will stop responding and i have to reboot to get it back
22:31<CutMeOwnThroat>in english?
22:31<elvis>lol i am scottish
22:31<CutMeOwnThroat>well... or put some interpunctation in beteween :')
22:32<elvis>ok lets try it this was
22:32<elvis>you have used gnome?
22:32<CutMeOwnThroat>not majorly
22:32<CutMeOwnThroat>the question just was - is the dropdown menu from the vnc client or from the windows manager
22:32<elvis>ok at the top on the bar you have applications places desktop
22:32<CutMeOwnThroat>if it's from the windows manager, try a different windows manager
22:33<elvis>i do not know how to get a difrent windows manager
22:33<elvis>i can not dropdown the desktop
22:33<CutMeOwnThroat>aptitude install fvwm2
22:33<elvis>what is that?
22:34<CutMeOwnThroat>actually... your problem sounds kind of familiar
22:34<CutMeOwnThroat>but why the hell do you have to reboot?
22:34<CutMeOwnThroat>restarting the program should be enough?
22:34<elvis>cause vnc wont respond to mouse clicking or keyboard typing
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22:34<elvis>i have tryed kill the vnc session and opening it again but no avail
22:35<elvis>i do know what it goes straight into the gnome session
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22:35<CutMeOwnThroat>I talked to someone who was scottish lately...
22:36<CutMeOwnThroat>and I had mostly no problems understanding her
22:36<elvis>alot of people haev trouble understanding me :0
22:37<elvis>shoot did it again also the server is in foriegn langauge even though i changed depackage thing to english
22:37<CutMeOwnThroat>you're the native speaker.... you should take the pain to speak clearly, it shouldnt be me who is trying to make sentences of your word-assemblies
22:38<CutMeOwnThroat>anyways, you're the one asking :)
22:38<elvis>lol i can try 6 word sentences?
22:38<elvis>was never good at english or spelling
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22:39<elvis>think the install has gone potty ?
22:39<CutMeOwnThroat>well, try some full-stops in between... things like that might make sense then <elvis> ok gnome there is something called Desktop along with places and applications i can not access desktop thing will stop responding and i have to reboot to get it back
22:39<CutMeOwnThroat>well, I wonder
22:40<CutMeOwnThroat>I have a program on one machine which is called macromodel
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22:40<CutMeOwnThroat>commercial program
22:40<elvis>hmm i need sleep but i need to sort this 04:40 am here :(
22:41<CutMeOwnThroat>and when the program opens a new dialog window, the window will be opened "invisibly" and the program will freeze
22:41<Jesse>Hello. I have a iMac, and I would like to get Debian installed on it. The only problem is that I dont have any blank CD's. Is there a way to get around this?
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22:41<CutMeOwnThroat>in fvwm2 I could then minimize and maximize the program and it would suddenly show the dialog
22:41<elvis>sounds along the lines of what it could be how do you prevent that?
22:41<CutMeOwnThroat>but in the other windows managers, it just was frozen for good
22:42<CutMeOwnThroat>and I had to kill the process and start it again
22:42<elvis>i only have vnc4server and vnc viewer
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22:43<CutMeOwnThroat>did you check the bugreports for vnc viewer?
22:43<CLIdiot>Jesse: if you just want to check it out, you should install VMware.
22:43<CutMeOwnThroat>Jesse, maybe.... depends what you havfe
22:43<CLIdiot>It will let you install from a disk image to run within OSX as host
22:43<CLIdiot>no CD-Rs needed
22:43<CutMeOwnThroat>ist it possible to install from an USB-stick?
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22:44<CutMeOwnThroat>should be, if you can boot from it, right?
22:44<elvis>i got to completely reboot asa this wont let me do gnome-session
22:44<elvis>i also do not have a xstartup
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22:45<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
22:45<dad>Need help with Pentium; 24MB ram X setup and optimization.
22:45<Jesse>Unfortunately, I have a 1999 iMac, it cant boot from a USB Device
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22:46<dad>Which CD should I use?
22:46<CutMeOwnThroat>Jesse, well, you need *something* to boot from :)
22:47<Jesse>Thats the problem, I dont have any blank CD's, but I am sure I will have some soon
22:47<elvis>nothing in the logs to say it is crashed
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22:47<Jesse>But what if I loaded my Mac OS on a CD, and the HDD wasnt in use? Could it be installed within the Mac OS?
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22:48<CutMeOwnThroat>Jesse, seems you can still install from floppy...
22:48<Jesse>It doesnt have a floppy drive
22:48<CutMeOwnThroat>Jesse, hm... how about typing in the relevant bits using hex notation...
22:48<Jesse>A what?
22:48<CutMeOwnThroat>a keyboard :)
22:49<Jesse>Now, how would I go about doing that?
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22:49<CutMeOwnThroat>just kidding...
22:50<Jesse>I have a certain amount of regret for the Macintosh systems...
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22:52<CutMeOwnThroat>oh well
22:52<Jesse>I guess I will just have to wait then
22:52<Jesse>which hind of sucks, but what can you do
22:52<wilson>OSX is for women and homosexuals
22:52<Jesse>Wilson: Correct
22:52<CLIdiot>horses for courses
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22:52<dr4ke>Hello Guys
22:53<CLIdiot>OSX is the right tool for some things
22:53<Jesse>Can a iMac with OS9 run Unix using a certain key combination?
22:53<wilson>dont mind me, i just hate supporting it over the phone
22:54<dr4ke>Guys I have a problem with Debian 3.1
22:54<dr4ke>Help me.
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22:54<dr4ke>Guys I have a problem with Debian 3.1
22:54<dr4ke>Help Me.
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22:55<Jesse>well, thanks
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22:58<dad>How would you go about installing Debian on 24MB RAM with X and get it to do at least what win98 does for UI and speed??
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23:00<dad> the same measly 24MB RAM?
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23:01<wilson>24 MB is really low
23:01<stereo>there are some very light window managers
23:02<stereo>and ram is really, really cheap
23:02<wilson>i dont think you'll be able to even run xfce on 24
23:02<stereo>you could triple that for pennies of your local currency
23:03<dad>Yes I thinking of icewm or even Ratpoison. But how to start (right)?
23:03<stereo>just visit the recycling thing. They'll be more than happy to let you scavenge ram.
23:03<stereo>just do your normal install, and don't choose anything in tasksel
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23:04<stereo>would older kernels use less ram?
23:04<dad>Well you know how it goes, RAM is capped, it's propietory and if I can find some it cost more than the whole laptop (which is sleek looking, so I'm still trying).
23:05<stereo>oh, and you'll probably want to use busybox as a shell
23:05<stereo>out of curiosity, what laptop is it?
23:05<dad>That and it peaves me that 98 works OK (speed). At 24MB!
23:05<stereo>you could turn the thing into an X terminal
23:06<dad>I could do with Fluxbox but I've been told icewm is as low.
23:06<stereo>run all the programs on your workstation
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23:06<dad>Selecting nothing in tasksel helps, thank you.
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23:07<dad>Yes, an X client is a good idea too.
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23:08<dad>Can I install just as well from my Deb 4 KDE CD and select nothing? Or should I get CD1 or 2?
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23:09<dad>See I have to pull the drive and install on another lappy. There NO faster method.
23:11<dad>I've also picked up on a lot of lean apps to use but I need a lean (VERY lean) base. I need to take it way down.
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23:13<dad>The install says 32MB min but it installed on a test (at 24B)!
23:14<dad>Correction, 24MB
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23:15<stereo>dad: you can just grab the netinst cd
23:15<stereo>download it off bittorrent, it's much quicker
23:15<dad>Thanks but it doen't do WiFi.
23:15<stereo>and no ethernet either?
23:16<dad>Nope, thanks though.
23:16<freeflyer57>Does anyone know where I can grab skype-
23:16<dad>Not other than the WiFi (Orinoco)
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23:16<dad>16 bit
23:17<freeflyer57>either of you know of a website that stores older versoins of debian applications?
23:17<stereo>freeflyer57: maybe?
23:18<stereo>I suppose you don't want the newer version
23:18<freeflyer57>no luck
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23:19<freeflyer57>I want to revert back to what I had before
23:19<freeflyer57>I have the lastest version now
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23:19<freeflyer57>I have looked everywhere
23:19<stereo>what's wrong with the new version?
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23:20<freeflyer57>It doesn't send IM unless both people are online at the same time
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23:20<freeflyer57>which is pointless if you want to leave a message
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23:20<dad>Stay open!
23:20<freeflyer57>Also sometimes IM won't even send
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23:21<freeflyer57>I didn't have the problem before
23:21<freeflyer57>Do you know anywhere else that might store archives?
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23:22<stereo>no, nothing
23:22<wilson>are you running unstable freeflyer57
23:22<stereo>you could try skype's bug tracker
23:22<freeflyer57>Well many people are having th same problem
23:22<freeflyer57>and supposedly it was fixed with the latest version
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23:23<stereo>they have something that looks very vaguely like bugzilla
23:23<freeflyer57>what do you mean by unstable
23:23<stereo>back in my time, when people weren't on-line, we e-mailed them!
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23:24<freeflyer57>Yeah but skype lets me connect to my girlfriend who lives in germany
23:24<freeflyer57>I am in the US
23:24<wilson>your debian, you can have stable, testing, or unstable packages
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23:25<freeflyer57>It should be stable because it is proprietary right?
23:25<wilson>oh so this is a deb file you downloaded off skype's website ?
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23:25<stereo>I don't think skype has a debian repository
23:25<freeflyer57>they don't
23:25<freeflyer57>yes they do
23:26<freeflyer57>but no earlier versions only the latest
23:26<stereo>you've looked in there?
23:26<wilson>do they have a source tarball ?
23:26<freeflyer57>even if i click on an earlier version to install it gives me the newest version
23:26<wilson>if u are desperate you can try compiling it from source
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23:26<freeflyer57>yeah but only for the version I have already
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23:27<freeflyer57>I can't even find source for what I want, whcih is only a few months old
23:27<wilson>install windows ? =) hehe
23:27<freeflyer57>been there done that
23:28<freeflyer57>I ordered a dell 1420n w/ ubuntu 7.04
23:28<freeflyer57>I want to see how much work I will have to do
23:29<wilson>this one has old windows versions
23:29<freeflyer57>Would wine help me
23:30<stereo>not sure skype works that well in wine
23:30<freeflyer57>wouldn't think so
23:30<freeflyer57>I always have gyachi which is a yahoo IM
23:31<freeflyer57>but I hate when I have to settle for something else in LINUX
23:31<stereo>or you guys could use sip
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23:31<stereo>what's your girlfriend running?
23:32<freeflyer57>windows xp sp2 :(
23:32<freeflyer57>she's getting a mac though
23:32<stereo>I'm sure you could even get an AIX client
23:32<freeflyer57>She actually used my computer quite well for about four months
23:33<freeflyer57>Oh yeah
23:33<freeflyer57>I have ekiga
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23:33<freeflyer57>but she actually pays for skype
23:33<freeflyer57>so I use it with her
23:33<freeflyer57>but I am sure that I can figure something out
23:34<stereo>I suppose she uses it to call home
23:34<freeflyer57>She uses it to call me while im in the US
23:35<wilson>do u know the exact version number of what you're after ?
23:35<stereo>wait, AIX is the IBM OS, IAX is the asterisk protocol
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23:35<freeflyer57>I just wanted to know if there was a place where i could find older packages
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23:36<freeflyer57>I can figure out a new way to communicate
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23:36<freeflyer57>I did delete windows from my computer, and installed ubuntu 5.10 with out any prior knowledge to linux at all
23:37<freeflyer57>I cried for about two weeks before I started being able to move around in linux
23:37<freeflyer57>Danke Schön for all of your help though
23:38<freeflyer57>i appreciate you looking too
23:38<stereo>Bitte Schön :)
23:38<stereo>I felt that way when I switched to the dvorak keyboard
23:38<stereo>couldn't speak
23:38<freeflyer57>Y and Z damn it
23:39<stereo>I imagine that's what being paralised or mute must be like
23:39<stereo>qwertz keyboard?
23:40<freeflyer57>I use Germany dead acute
23:40<wilson>i found it
23:40<wilson>or i think i have
23:41<freeflyer57>dude you kick ass
23:41<freeflyer57>thank you man
23:41<wilson>heh it's nothing
23:41<freeflyer57>You are the fucking man
23:41<freeflyer57>I ahve looked for three days
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23:42<freeflyer57>how did you find it
23:42<wilson>dunno just searched for the filename on altavista
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23:43<freeflyer57>i was using GOOGLE.COM
23:43<freeflyer57>thank you man
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23:45<freeflyer57>alright Richte skype ein (
23:45<freeflyer57>thanks you
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23:47<freeflyer57>awesome everything works again
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23:52<freeflyer57>I was looking at the list of people wnad who is from where.
23:52<freeflyer57>How many Germans are in here?
23:56<freeflyer57>wieviele deutsche hier sind?
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23:59<freeflyer57>Сколько я должен за визит?
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